Thank you so much for the sitdown, Mike. Thank you for challenging some of my views and opinions, and for making this a more robust engagement. Let's hope that conversations help to build a better country for all 🙏🏽
@mikesham3204 @godpenuel please keep this flow of dialogue going... pls schedule another session at the end of this year and reflect on changes/movement in SA, on the continent and abroad. Such dialogue is a good summation of what you both probe and push on your own shows - keep up the good work both of you. Keep making us think... but also importantly keep challenging us to do... and see change, for a better SA and Africa.
I have a love-hate relationship with Penuel. Sometimes he makes me quite angry but at other times (more often than not) he says something that is so accurate and thought provoking. Nice episode.
I've been a Penuel fan and subscriber for a long long time. Sooo appreciate his logic and explanations, really don't want to lose the Black Pen, but think he could make a huuuge contribution to SA by taking a post in a really solid organisation like responsible and accountable government portfolio. Relatively fearless, like Gayton.
Hi, I like Penuel as well, I think his generally dope and his mind is open and he knows that. But I think his better where he is than in politics, I think his calling or service is awakening rather than administration. His better off opening people's eyes and sharing robust controversial ideas that will change the view of many young people. In the long run that impact will reach much farther than any government portfolio can.
What an amazing conversation. Following Penuel's journey through politics has been amazing and I am so happy to see him on your show Mike. We need more voices like his that ask questions of the politicians and that has realised that they are not going to save us. We must work together in our communities to start saving our country.
Penuel Black Pen# Very intelligent man. Don't always agree with your views & perspective however i do respect your practical views on business & practical politics. Simple ideas can be so radical society can't simply adopt to change. True African leader on the rise.
This has been a fascinating discussion, probably one of the best. Mike you raised some brilliant points which i whole heartily agree. Pen unfortunately, has been drinking from the same water as the Republicans in the US. I was certainly not surprised when he said he admired Trump. However there is one point that he raised which i think people should give much thought ... modern colonisers. I totally agree China are doing this so subtely no one is really taking note.
Thank you so much for always supporting! 🙏 It's great to see you here again, and I'm glad you're enjoying this episode. Your energy keeps us going! More great content coming your way soon 🔥
Thanks for having The Pen 🙏🏻what a standup young man! Please can you also invite Katlego Moagi from Citizen Concerned - she definitely needs more exposure and she does the right thing
@alexharkonen01234 Sometimes, I wonder if it was a good idea to force institutional integration. Somehow, ever since that, there was a tearing of South African social fabric. I think the element of force is a problem.
Mike, this pod is getting good! As a fellow Leb, I finally have a reason to be proud of a Leb in SA 🤣🤣! Keep it up! Always enjoy Penuel, even though some of the stuff he says is a little nuts!
Penuel you are one of the bright minds South Africa. I also understand that history shot us in the foot and that democracy is not working in Africa, by saying it communism and socalism also wil not work because most of our people do not have the insight and knowledge to make informed decisions and the minority do have it. This have nothing to do with race or intelligence but with education and problem solving.
I love the conversation you having with Penuel, your opinion about Ibrahim Traore and other Africans leaders especially in Sohail region that's not dictator ship it's a definition of African Democracy though it is going to be a very difficult assignment for them
Recently I was in a PnP store, & got talking withe the fruit n veg attendant about the orice of things. I dont recall what he said, but I replied, You Have to fight. You have to stand up and demand change. I reminded him about the UDM & the leaders of that day, & said, you have to stand up for yourselves. His reply? There is nothing we can do? I was stunned by his reply. Then it came to me... the extent to which the youth and 20 to 30 yr olds have lost hope & become passive. Im not talking about a Julius Malema-type of rising up, but a calculated plan with good research & (brain) intelligence to take the current leaders to task. The reality is, for filthy lucre Ramaphosa & others have sold their souls to the NWO & WEF. There is no getting away from it. If people do not rise up & demand - not through elections - change for the good of SAn citizens, change will most definitely not happen.
Im not a fan of the channel due to some of the guests pushing a curtain narrative. But every now and then, I come across some great interviews. Thank you for being true to yourself and being honest on what you believe. We might differ in ideology, but as i continue watching those episodes that draw me in, i see a difference in your comments. I see that some have influenced you differently, and now you view things in a wide scope. I think i will subscribe and pay for you to keep going. Thank you
" when you say politicians don't bring no change, it is not for them to change but for you to change " That is powerful and if that is the mentality of white people than it will explain alot.
I take it that you disagree with the statement? The point that I am making is that if you don't like something, do something do something about it. The fact of the matter is that there are way more citizens than there are politicians. We have control over our own lives, so be the change you want to see in the world. The government only fixed Eskom because they saw that their biggest consumers were going off the grid!
Talking about mentality, I liked what Penuell has said and it will do you well to take note of that. It does not help you pointing fingers at one member of the population because you did notlike what has been said but you uttter an exact same type of mental view but from your side; that is hypocritical thinking..
@@mikesham3204 No I don't disagree. The mentality of most white people is that they are not dependent on the government. We can argue and debate on past experience and how this system of oppression and inequality they created BUT in a sense it can also explain alot of things as to why they are more economical progressive than the black despite the past experiences. I don't know if you know Thomas Sowell but he does explain this and says people never needed a government - his reasoning start after the slavery in America, he state black communities started to build by themselves, using same African system of trade " barter system " , I gave you a cow, you give me three sheep - you sell the cow meat - I sell the sheep in form of wool. Basically everyone was doing something and you can see the narrative progress, this even let to them building and owning their own banking system and Banks - is innovation on innovation and progressively so. Than the American government came along and said we can help you with laws and such and such - and it was that point everything collapsed and by default it has been the mentality of black people ever since. Same in South Africa, is not that people were depending on Kings as Panuel state it, this people progressively established their systems of functions. Young boys would herd stock etc, everyone was doing something, another thing it was illogical to establish a King and have no land. This concept of Kingdoms is diluted, is not that they had royal blood and told by God to lead the people to freedom. No they are not special in that case, they were established as libraries and custodians of heritage, reasons in the past people can easily kill the king and replace him if he decides not to adhere to what people wanted. Than the Romans etc came and started a concept of a King nose and jaw lines, a king is a perfection and send by God and this resulted in kings becoming this God image. I mean look at KZN, there is a king but people are Landless and he supposedly gets millions of Rand's and for what ??? we don't know. The people and chiefs can't even state we don't want you, he will just run to the government because he is the now corporate embodiment of that, same with ANC system, we never said individually we want Cyril Ramaphosa in analogy of old ways and system, he was just placed there by people we don't know who supposedly have to be " chiefs ". In conclusion, there is no such thing as democracy, democracy is ownership by the people and power and privilege is taken not given and your statement is very correct, how often do you see white people complaining on government and awaiting a miracle that will never come ??? same as religion, ask white people do you believe in Christianity? He can simply say no and move on like nothing happened But with the black culture is more dependency on dependency on dependency and soon as you move from that chain you become a black sheep. But unfortunately this dependency mentality is not working, for example, a town has no electricity, instead of gathering as a community and go to local municipality to ask what is happening, people rather say where is Cyril Ramaphosa, while we have no electricity ??? I mean that is how ridiculous it gets to a point that even If Government put system of support, departments and functions in place for such issues, people will still look at the higher hierarchy even if the case has not escalated to that, that just show the dependency on its higher degree of parenting and how black people dependent wholly on government. Will it be difficult for black people to just gather in some rural area and say there is a land there and is within our community, it will be good for farming and create this beautiful big farm where everyone can eat and benefit from as a community. I mean what will the government actually do ??? say it is government land and they own it ??? how ridiculous and illogical will it be that an outsider came to your community and told you not to farm.
We cannot have a successful story in Africa with uncontrollable immigration across the continent. The problem is that as soon as one African country start getting successful then all African countries think that country owe them something and their people should migrate to it. Rwanda is next to face influx of immigrants after south Africa. The reason why Kemet (Egypt) civilization prospered in Africa was that the pharaoh governing decisive, pro citizens and productive.
Excellent show. So many speak about the last elections, but the elephant in the room is that they don't tell us how many people did NOT vote. That already indicates the people are unhappy with the government. ..and we did not want a GNU. Surely if the ANC did not get a majority of the votes, are they not illegally in 'power'?
You raise an important point about voter turnout and its implications. It's concerning how many people chose not to vote, which clearly shows dissatisfaction with the government. It's a complex issue, but it’s something that needs attention for real change to happen. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Respect to everyone doing their thing but South Africa need more real actors than talkers. We being talking since 1994. It's like the TRC Commission has program black people to vent out on talkshows and become the next Oprah Winfrey. Let's build factories and infrastructure and debate about quality or lack of.
Might i respect your thought. Why cant they go to Russia, china or india if those countrues are great. This is a great question and must ring in their mind
Personally, I hope we can stop with these registration nonsense during elections, everyone with legit SA ID document should be eligible to vote and the number of people who do not vote should be counted too. Then their seats should be empty seats in our Parliament... those politicians should be reminded everytime they see those seats how many people are despondent and have checked out of politics. Thanks Mike for bringing in Pen, very controversial, yet refreshing mind and he forces one to think.
Thats a silly idea. 1) If all you've got to validate a vote, how are you going to prevent people from voting multiple times an different voting stations? Our electoral system is brilliantly worked out to make sure that it cant be cheated. The mechanisms that is there is there for good reasons 2) Sorry, but not voting is a vote for the status quo. The way the system works is perfect. If the majority wont vote, it allows the minority to have a more forceful voice and stear the country in a different direction. 3) We have the best possible electoral system we could've asked for in a country as diverse as ours. People should really stop blaming the electoral system for the fault of the parties and the people who vote for them. If people vote with Stockholm syndrome, changing the electoral system is not going to fix that.
Penuel is a good candidate as a politician in spite of his lack of Christian paradigm inclusion. South Africa still has the best potential for the Utopia desired.
In the beginning of this show. I only thought that mike was just pushing the capitalist agenda but the more I listen to him the more I agree with him and Pen was amazing. Thanks guys 👌🏾👌🏾
I totally get that! Penuel brings such a unique perspective to politics, and it’s refreshing to see him find humor in serious topics. Laughter can be a great way to engage with difficult subjects, making them more relatable. It’s important to balance seriousness with a bit of lightheartedness!
Penuel, consider a political party in our beautiful country, not led by one person as the president but by two, specifically one candidate being a black and one being a white South African born. I'm not saying it's a perfect idea, but it's a bases of an idea and a possibly worth a thought and a debate... We need a combination of the two... one focused on the past wrongs, one focused on the future rights. One looking back but holding the other one looking forward accountable and vise versa. #thinking out loud...
Agreed because what is happening nowadays with the influx of people from over Africa,Asia and China as well as the Middle East is also colonisation, you just do not recognise it because those people are not from the West.
Absolutely! Penuel has such a fresh and engaging perspective. It's inspiring to see young voices like his tackling important issues and sparking meaningful conversations. I look forward to having back on sona!
Always Nice to hear Penuel🙏❤thanks grootman...i font these conversations should be happening in front of white people though...but it's always good to hear you opinion
True but their treacherous actions years ago still haunts us today. You might not see this as a middle class individual but the majority of impoverished blacks feel it. You can’t expect a slave to be thankful to his former master because he’s given him freedom.
The collapse of the Soviet union was equally tragic to Africa like it was to the Russians. Even Germany, South Korea and Japan are still militarily occupied today and forced into conflicts which have nothing to do with them.
I am only worried about both of you are so comfortable with John Steenhuisen burning our National Flag. Don't worry about Orania, those people are only doing their best, you are only talking, my brother was killed by Apartheid Special Branch police. Both of you are talking from a comfort zones
Hmmmmmm, only Trevor Noah and Black Coffee. How about Elon Musk, David Sacks, David Friedburg, Allan Gray, Vinnie Lingham, Ivan Glasenberg and quite a few others?
I hope Pen took the time to learn from Mike on how to conduct a podcast interview with respect and integrity. Once saw Penuel interview a lady and he had his head down looking at his phone for the most part. I felt sorry for her. Learn from your mistakes bro.
Thanks for the feedback. It’s always good to learn and improve from past experiences. I appreciate your honesty, and I’m sure Pen is focused on growing with each interview. Respect and integrity in these conversations are key, and it’s great to hear Mike sets that standard. 🙏
I remember that. He's mentioned before that he typically uses his phone to make notes and apologises to the guest and viewer in advance. Maybe he didn't flag it for that engagement.
I don't see anything wrong when a person is using a phone for notes cause even our presidents read their speech cause u can't rember everything Last point is I don't see anything wrong how pen conduct his interviews maybe u are to serious or to formal Just try Joe Rogan interview style they can drink alcohol while teaching
I love this Podcast but I feel listening to it is better than watching. The studio setup is too bright I think. Any interior design people that can explain why I have this issues.
Yes we should use or define our Own Afrikan Standards/Measures of Success & Happiness based on our Ancestors Noble Principle of UBUNTU, Not Westerners nor Easterners of late ones.
Did he just say "black people enjoy being oppressed"? and Mike ran with the "welfare depends on the oppressor" - yhoooo hayi maaaan kanti what is happening with these people
Is he not correct because you are hangung onto very oppressive leaders, let's take for example the binding of the population to a social grant; is that not oppression?
@@nicolaasludick4807 He is not correct, Black people have not been conscientized so they don't even know that they are "oppressed", Social grants stand to benefit the have-nots and the elderly. The state of governance and the powers invested in people are not properly explained to the masses, hence the ANC can buy votes with t-shirts and food parcels. Suggesting that people with less knowledge and comprehension of politics "enjoy oppression" is fucked up and shouldn't be taken lightly.
Today's guest, "The Guy Who Sounds Smart to Really Dumb People". I am here, watching and trying so hard to understand what Penuel is saying but it's just all over the place and mere bullocks. Incoherent to a fault!!!
I don’t agree with everything that Penuel says but I’m convinced that at least he’s thought deeply about some of the things that he says. It’s. 👍🏾 from me.
That DA and ANC coalition is definitely not a solution, it's just Ramaphosa trying to dampen his FAILURES, I mean a fee paying father would be upset and disappointed if any of his children in mid year exams would get 57% in the final exams 40%, 40%? But unfortunately not the ANC_NEC. Then everyone seems to fall for the GNU concept blanketing his failures, not me 😂.
The problem is penual used all of his wisdom now he can't out perform the standard he set This is happening in music when the artist can't surpass the best hit they produced Is also happening in football ⚽️ the is out of form
Balance the population if western cape with can't take care for smaller population rember Gauteng province it's the largest in population siting around 20 million but western cape is 7 million
❤❤❤❤ MY HIGHLIGHT of this interview. Mike sham said I love the system. I love democracy too. Democracy is a gift to a healed man. You see opportunities that the Penuel don’t see under democratic ❤❤❤
😂😂😂 eish godpen is tired I think he needs to take a break or writes down what he's going to talk about just like a radio everything it's scripted I also noticed this blockage on Nota This interview was to difficult a zoned out alot it was not that enthusiastic 😂
You are very biased against Cape Town and the Western Cape, just because your Joburg is failing and you refuse to see reality. You need to be less opinionated, more realistic and open minded. You lack vision if you think Western Cape can't flourish like Singapore did. The Western Cape people have a much higher level of education, and their Western ideology is far more promising than the rest of the country, and you fail to consider that. Human Resources is the most important resource a country has, and sorry for you as a blinded Joburger/ Gautenger, its by far the best in the country. Please stop with your superiority / inferiority biases.
The same western that has been jumped by the Free state education for the last 4 years and is about cut two thousand teachers just so they can focus on security in rich areas. Western cape is only one draught away from disaster like KZN
😂😂😂😂 I rather be deaf than to lack understanding or is better i listern to a music cause my ears don't need logic But let me simply it for u,when my guy mr sham is saying Capetown has no chance to out grow Gauteng or Johannesburg Pretoria Is because Capetown landscape is a biggest disadvantage or fallback for Capetown cause is to expensive to build on mountains ⛰️ and too many natural disteasters such as wild 🔥 🔥 So investors they rather comes to jourburg in the flat land scape that is cheap and the hing number of population more than all the provinces p.s 😂😂😂 so pls facts doesn't not care about feelings love u❤🎉
We are a region consisting of tribes, not a country. Let there be no apologies or guilt for apprecoating and devloping your culture and people. Meet to build the commons but go home to your culture and people.
Whenever Mike talks about countries that have developed, his undertone is western democracies, but never wants to say it categorically. He is well aware that there is only 1 country any objective person can use as an example, and that is China. However, subjective supporters of Neoliberalism will never want to admit on public platforms that the Bretton Woods System has fallen. You even have US Senate people talking about how to compete with China, US might need to return to Keynesian Economics and more government intervention. But, ke... keep privitizing lol. The inherent contradictions of capitalism, and over reliance on rent seeking monopolies will create trickle down economy and change the fortunes of our poverty stricken country (sarcasm).
@@thatolesoro i agree completely that the bretton woods system, along with petrodollars etc is bad and needs to fall. I do not believe that central planning, such as is being practised more and more in China, is the answer. China is currently experiencing very serious economic problems, and it looks they will only get worse. That does not mean that i am fan of the currebt version of 'capitalism' as practised in the West. Keynsianism is completely crazy ecomomics, and has harmed every country that practised it, including the US in the 1930s. Personally, i think the problem is our current worldwide monetary system of fiat currency and central banking. In generations gone by, there was always a simple way to increase one's wealth in the lomg term if you didnt have much- delay gratification and save. This worked under a gold standard as money held its value. This doesnt work today, and the only way one can get ahead is by using their savings to invest in shares and the stock market. But this further exacerbates inequality, as we as the middle class are literally giving our money to those that already have the means of production! People who see the world from both a 'left' and 'right' point of view need to come together and realise that all decent people on both sides are looking for solutions to better everyone's life.
@@garethbarry3825 I hear you, and thanks for explaining your position. I don't think there is anything is wrong with Keynesian economics, or Socialism, or even Capitalism. The problem is the government at the time and understanding the world economic climate, and therefore designing thie countries productive forces accordingly (key economic sectors). China uses a mixed economic system. They are not fully socialist, and not fully capitalistic. They take from both sides, and apply to their labour and macroeconomic policies. No 1 system is inherently good, or bad. As someone who lives in China and interacts with Chinese people who can articulate how in their own life times, from the 1970s, central planning has moved 800 million people out of poverty. How, the life expectancy has moved from 35 to 78 years old from the 1940s, and how they are the most developed country in the world....For these reasons, I will stand by the Chinese mixed economic model... Juxtapose that to the life expectancy that is dropping in America, the violence, economic and social instability, drugs etc... And you are 100% right, I dont think people care what system, as long as it works and improves the material conditions of the masses of the people!
You're wrong about China, because if you're "categorical" you still need to "analyze" or "compare" against other communist counties, with this understanding, it's ridiculously clear, China is the exception (outlier) and most definitely not the norm, if we also look at junk countries, there is a clear correlation with most of them, and that is Communism, that shit system really destroys. I strongly disagree with Gareth, im a hardcore Keynesian, because, most of the world suffer something i call Keynesian denialism, which Government has a skills monopoly in any sector or any industry, they have to go get help from the private sector in one way or another,which country let's Private sector do whatever they please,Communism/Government don't have absolute "exclusive" functions/skills monopoly, it's just horse crap and lies most of the time, further, the largest stuff up in Economic history was done by Capitalism and it was government who stepped in and cleaned up the mess(Government intervention), was it not for government cleaning up this mess, we would not be here. Let's not confuse oursleves with foreign issue's and bring it home, i strongly detest the China comparison because, we already have a hypothesis of what wider communism would look like here, RSA government can't be given more responsibility, he needs far less, because of him trading recklessly by running deficits in most of parastals, government also has a horrible malfeasance/maladministration/corruption etc issue, RSA government has no clue what on earth he is doing, high crime/unemployment/low economic growth/poor education/poor health system etc is indicative of this, so hell no to Communism in RSA. Let's look at Capitalism here in RSA, in over 350 years that trade has been around, Capitalism has constantly displayed racism and inequality, further, as the people of South Africa,is anyone in Exco accountable to us, no, they are not, they aren't democratically elected or democratically removed, they can hire hitler as CEO, have the worse policy on earth and we can do absolutely nothing about it,the worse level of dictatorship is found in the Private Sector not in government, so whatever you think of Elon Musk(Private Sector) gains is immaterial, because they aren't accountable to us,they only adhere to banal environmental/labour laws etc and account predominantly to profit, they clearly need a big brother in the room as they have been extremely careless here in RSA, constant complaints of racism/nepotism/cronyism/gini coefficient/JSE management mix etc is indicative of this. This why im a hardcore Keynesian, it has it's flaws, but the long and short of it is, Communism can't be left alone, neither can Capitalism here in RSA, we need government at the centre as he is accountable to us the people of RSA, we also need Capitalism's phenomenal skillset and large project delivery capacity, hence Keynes being the sweet spot.
@@pinnacleinfinity9211 you have some interesting points, and have clearly thought a lot about this, which i respect. Furthermore, you want the best for people, which i also respect. May i suggest looking into Ludwig Von Mises, Friedrich Hayek and Murray Rothbard. I totally agree that our current system, propped up by western democracies, is broken. I disagree that your solutions will work. In your defence, almost no leader in todays world would ever implement Austrian School ideas (which i think is the solution) anyway, so it is something of a moot point. Something does need to be done about inequality, and the middle class constantly being screwed over. There is only so much inequality that a society will accept before those at the bottom say 'screw this' and flip the whole thing upside down. I am a firm believer in people being given their own agency, and then being allowed to use that agency to better themselves, which is not we have in modern 'banking capitalism' - a system which is so far from a fair and free market it is scary.
The host just like many Old Timers his comments are factual incorrect. 1. He says the leaders should serve us and not the other way around. Oversimplified statement, in terms of the LAW you have to wait for 5 years to remove the person who in he 1st place was supposed to serve you. 2. Both GNU and LGU we voted for party and not those who were imposed to us allowed by the same LAW Sometimes we need receipts because people can say whatever they want and never be hold accountable. SOURCE UP OR SHUT UP! WHETHER YOU ARE OLD OR YOUNG
Wow and independent cape so they can practice they apartheid policy properly. You mad. So they can turn it into brasil where black people are treated as slaves and get to be hidden from mainstream media.
@@Aviemaria12 everyone pull together like our rugby? Please stop with the emotional abuse. One half lives in suburbs and the other half live in shanty towns and they must unite? Only when it's suits you then we must unite but when we want real equality then it becomes a problem.
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Thank you so much for the sitdown, Mike. Thank you for challenging some of my views and opinions, and for making this a more robust engagement.
Let's hope that conversations help to build a better country for all 🙏🏽
Cheers Penuel, I hope we do this again soon.
penuel i enjoy all ur shows🎉❤
@@mkveebiz219 Thank you so much for the support 🙏🏽
@mikesham3204 @godpenuel please keep this flow of dialogue going... pls schedule another session at the end of this year and reflect on changes/movement in SA, on the continent and abroad. Such dialogue is a good summation of what you both probe and push on your own shows - keep up the good work both of you. Keep making us think... but also importantly keep challenging us to do... and see change, for a better SA and Africa.
Open hearted conversations and gently critical questions ≈ growth on all sides including listeners.
Mike, thanks for bringing Penuel onto your show. Love this guy, so sensible.
I have a love-hate relationship with Penuel. Sometimes he makes me quite angry but at other times (more often than not) he says something that is so accurate and thought provoking. Nice episode.
I've been a Penuel fan and subscriber for a long long time. Sooo appreciate his logic and explanations, really don't want to lose the Black Pen, but think he could make a huuuge contribution to SA by taking a post in a really solid organisation like responsible and accountable government portfolio. Relatively fearless, like Gayton.
Hi, I like Penuel as well, I think his generally dope and his mind is open and he knows that. But I think his better where he is than in politics, I think his calling or service is awakening rather than administration. His better off opening people's eyes and sharing robust controversial ideas that will change the view of many young people. In the long run that impact will reach much farther than any government portfolio can.
What an amazing conversation. Following Penuel's journey through politics has been amazing and I am so happy to see him on your show Mike. We need more voices like his that ask questions of the politicians and that has realised that they are not going to save us. We must work together in our communities to start saving our country.
Penuel Black Pen#
Very intelligent man. Don't always agree with your views & perspective however i do respect your practical views on business & practical politics. Simple ideas can be so radical society can't simply adopt to change. True African leader on the rise.
Penuel is a truly open minded, knowledgeable visionary.
Thank you Mike for bringing Penuel. Great show💯but you still owe us katlego in the studio 😅
My first week here all because i saw Mustaffa, watched the podcast "loved it" saw my black Pen and now I'm hooked.
This has been a fascinating discussion, probably one of the best. Mike you raised some brilliant points which i whole heartily agree. Pen unfortunately, has been drinking from the same water as the Republicans in the US. I was certainly not surprised when he said he admired Trump. However there is one point that he raised which i think people should give much thought ... modern colonisers. I totally agree China are doing this so subtely no one is really taking note.
This is definitely one of my favorite episodes. The best topics ever
Ohh yes we are here as always and I'm happy to see another one of my favourites on here
Thank you so much for always supporting! 🙏 It's great to see you here again, and I'm glad you're enjoying this episode. Your energy keeps us going! More great content coming your way soon 🔥
@@sonacoza 🫶🏼🫶🏼🔥
To drink a beer called wisdom
Thanks for having The Pen 🙏🏻what a standup young man!
Please can you also invite Katlego Moagi from Citizen Concerned - she definitely needs more exposure and she does the right thing
Love her
Not a bad idea at all, I anyway just mailed her the info for this conversstion to go and have a look at.
Katlego is an absolute superstar!!!
Yes please!!!!🎉
So penuel is describing apartheid… awesome lets do it (again)
@alexharkonen01234 Sometimes, I wonder if it was a good idea to force institutional integration. Somehow, ever since that, there was a tearing of South African social fabric. I think the element of force is a problem.
Very constructive conversation ❤️ please interview Katlego of Citizens concern 🙏
Very insightful and thought provoking conversation. 🙏🏾
Mike, this pod is getting good! As a fellow Leb, I finally have a reason to be proud of a Leb in SA 🤣🤣! Keep it up! Always enjoy Penuel, even though some of the stuff he says is a little nuts!
Bra Mike looks so calm, embodies a chilled demeanor, i like this version.
Damnnn super impressive view from the gents. I like the pragmatic approach of the host….thats what we need.
Penuel you are one of the bright minds South Africa. I also understand that history shot us in the foot and that democracy is not working in Africa, by saying it communism and socalism also wil not work because most of our people do not have the insight and knowledge to make informed decisions and the minority do have it. This have nothing to do with race or intelligence but with education and problem solving.
Go back to Europe
I love the conversation you having with Penuel, your opinion about Ibrahim Traore and other Africans leaders especially in Sohail region that's not dictator ship it's a definition of African Democracy though it is going to be a very difficult assignment for them
what exactly Is African Democracy? Please define It for me.
Recently I was in a PnP store, & got talking withe the fruit n veg attendant about the orice of things. I dont recall what he said, but I replied, You Have to fight. You have to stand up and demand change. I reminded him about the UDM & the leaders of that day, & said, you have to stand up for yourselves. His reply? There is nothing we can do? I was stunned by his reply. Then it came to me... the extent to which the youth and 20 to 30 yr olds have lost hope & become passive. Im not talking about a Julius Malema-type of rising up, but a calculated plan with good research & (brain) intelligence to take the current leaders to task.
The reality is, for filthy lucre Ramaphosa & others have sold their souls to the NWO & WEF. There is no getting away from it. If people do not rise up & demand - not through elections - change for the good of SAn citizens, change will most definitely not happen.
Two of my favourite RUclipsrs. This is gonna be fun😊
Rare skill that this Black Pen has, the ability to truly speak one's mind irrespective of who the audience is is very rare these days
Good convo, thanks Mike.
Penuel is good at name dropping, and it’s working 🙌
Great session gentlemen.
Thanks! It really was a great session. Engaging discussions like this are what we need to foster understanding and drive positive change. 🙏
Fascinating conversation, philosophical, thought-provoking, well balanced by Penuel's youth seeking-ideal's vs Mike's wisdom and cynicism.
According to Mike everyone is running a flawed system including China and Russia but excluding Europe and western countries.
Im not a fan of the channel due to some of the guests pushing a curtain narrative. But every now and then, I come across some great interviews.
Thank you for being true to yourself and being honest on what you believe. We might differ in ideology, but as i continue watching those episodes that draw me in, i see a difference in your comments.
I see that some have influenced you differently, and now you view things in a wide scope.
I think i will subscribe and pay for you to keep going. Thank you
So the deep question is: have I changed or have you changed?
Thank you for watching and subscribing!
@mikesham3204 I have changed my views about you. I think the way you view things has changed.
" when you say politicians don't bring no change, it is not for them to change but for you to change "
That is powerful and if that is the mentality of white people than it will explain alot.
I take it that you disagree with the statement?
The point that I am making is that if you don't like something, do something do something about it. The fact of the matter is that there are way more citizens than there are politicians. We have control over our own lives, so be the change you want to see in the world.
The government only fixed Eskom because they saw that their biggest consumers were going off the grid!
Talking about mentality, I liked what Penuell has said and it will do you well to take note of that. It does not help you pointing fingers at one member of the population because you did notlike what has been said but you uttter an exact same type of mental view but from your side; that is hypocritical thinking..
@@mikesham3204 No I don't disagree. The mentality of most white people is that they are not dependent on the government. We can argue and debate on past experience and how this system of oppression and inequality they created BUT in a sense it can also explain alot of things as to why they are more economical progressive than the black despite the past experiences.
I don't know if you know Thomas Sowell but he does explain this and says people never needed a government - his reasoning start after the slavery in America, he state black communities started to build by themselves, using same African system of trade " barter system " , I gave you a cow, you give me three sheep - you sell the cow meat - I sell the sheep in form of wool. Basically everyone was doing something and you can see the narrative progress, this even let to them building and owning their own banking system and Banks - is innovation on innovation and progressively so. Than the American government came along and said we can help you with laws and such and such - and it was that point everything collapsed and by default it has been the mentality of black people ever since.
Same in South Africa, is not that people were depending on Kings as Panuel state it, this people progressively established their systems of functions. Young boys would herd stock etc, everyone was doing something, another thing it was illogical to establish a King and have no land. This concept of Kingdoms is diluted, is not that they had royal blood and told by God to lead the people to freedom. No they are not special in that case, they were established as libraries and custodians of heritage, reasons in the past people can easily kill the king and replace him if he decides not to adhere to what people wanted. Than the Romans etc came and started a concept of a King nose and jaw lines, a king is a perfection and send by God and this resulted in kings becoming this God image. I mean look at KZN, there is a king but people are Landless and he supposedly gets millions of Rand's and for what ??? we don't know. The people and chiefs can't even state we don't want you, he will just run to the government because he is the now corporate embodiment of that, same with ANC system, we never said individually we want Cyril Ramaphosa in analogy of old ways and system, he was just placed there by people we don't know who supposedly have to be " chiefs ".
In conclusion, there is no such thing as democracy, democracy is ownership by the people and power and privilege is taken not given and your statement is very correct, how often do you see white people complaining on government and awaiting a miracle that will never come ??? same as religion, ask white people do you believe in Christianity? He can simply say no and move on like nothing happened But with the black culture is more dependency on dependency on dependency and soon as you move from that chain you become a black sheep. But unfortunately this dependency mentality is not working, for example, a town has no electricity, instead of gathering as a community and go to local municipality to ask what is happening, people rather say where is Cyril Ramaphosa, while we have no electricity ??? I mean that is how ridiculous it gets to a point that even If Government put system of support, departments and functions in place for such issues, people will still look at the higher hierarchy even if the case has not escalated to that, that just show the dependency on its higher degree of parenting and how black people dependent wholly on government. Will it be difficult for black people to just gather in some rural area and say there is a land there and is within our community, it will be good for farming and create this beautiful big farm where everyone can eat and benefit from as a community. I mean what will the government actually do ??? say it is government land and they own it ??? how ridiculous and illogical will it be that an outsider came to your community and told you not to farm.
May God bless our country. Thank you penuel and mike
Iam here for my Pen
We cannot have a successful story in Africa with uncontrollable immigration across the continent. The problem is that as soon as one African country start getting successful then all African countries think that country owe them something and their people should migrate to it. Rwanda is next to face influx of immigrants after south Africa.
The reason why Kemet (Egypt) civilization prospered in Africa was that the pharaoh governing decisive, pro citizens and productive.
Excellent show. So many speak about the last elections, but the elephant in the room is that they don't tell us how many people did NOT vote. That already indicates the people are unhappy with the government. ..and we did not want a GNU. Surely if the ANC did not get a majority of the votes, are they not illegally in 'power'?
You raise an important point about voter turnout and its implications. It's concerning how many people chose not to vote, which clearly shows dissatisfaction with the government. It's a complex issue, but it’s something that needs attention for real change to happen. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@@sonacoza those who didn't vote are idiotic ANC blind followers. So it is OK with them staying away from the voting stations cos they are liability
Wow, that was now interesting 🎉
MKP no elective conference, leaders are chosen in a very strange ways, it's so difficult to understand this organization.
Well and incentive conversation interview😊
Great interview and talk.
Respect to everyone doing their thing but South Africa need more real actors than talkers. We being talking since 1994. It's like the TRC Commission has program black people to vent out on talkshows and become the next Oprah Winfrey.
Let's build factories and infrastructure and debate about quality or lack of.
Always great listening to a sitdown where Penuel is a guest; if only it was a bit longer.
Might i respect your thought. Why cant they go to Russia, china or india if those countrues are great. This is a great question and must ring in their mind
Locked in...I'm here for my mentor Penuel💫❤
Saw your name(Penuel), and locked in
Personally, I hope we can stop with these registration nonsense during elections, everyone with legit SA ID document should be eligible to vote and the number of people who do not vote should be counted too.
Then their seats should be empty seats in our Parliament... those politicians should be reminded everytime they see those seats how many people are despondent and have checked out of politics.
Thanks Mike for bringing in Pen, very controversial, yet refreshing mind and he forces one to think.
Thats a silly idea.
1) If all you've got to validate a vote, how are you going to prevent people from voting multiple times an different voting stations? Our electoral system is brilliantly worked out to make sure that it cant be cheated. The mechanisms that is there is there for good reasons
2) Sorry, but not voting is a vote for the status quo. The way the system works is perfect. If the majority wont vote, it allows the minority to have a more forceful voice and stear the country in a different direction.
3) We have the best possible electoral system we could've asked for in a country as diverse as ours. People should really stop blaming the electoral system for the fault of the parties and the people who vote for them. If people vote with Stockholm syndrome, changing the electoral system is not going to fix that.
Penuel is a good candidate as a politician in spite of his lack of Christian paradigm inclusion. South Africa still has the best potential for the Utopia desired.
Great content
Thanks for bringing Pen.
Thanks chaps, you cooked
In the beginning of this show. I only thought that mike was just pushing the capitalist agenda but the more I listen to him the more I agree with him and Pen was amazing. Thanks guys 👌🏾👌🏾
Invite me mike am somewhat want to debate you, i feel like penuele haven't give you our perspective as young black Africans
I'm willing to come join in on the debate. I am an insurance Economist researcher.
Forget that I have no interest in Sharia law damn crazy talk
I like watching Pen . However I am glad that he is laughing.because Pen takes politics very serious
I totally get that! Penuel brings such a unique perspective to politics, and it’s refreshing to see him find humor in serious topics. Laughter can be a great way to engage with difficult subjects, making them more relatable. It’s important to balance seriousness with a bit of lightheartedness!
Please put me on this Katlego person 🙏🙏🙏
Penuel, consider a political party in our beautiful country, not led by one person as the president but by two, specifically one candidate being a black and one being a white South African born.
I'm not saying it's a perfect idea, but it's a bases of an idea and a possibly worth a thought and a debate...
We need a combination of the two... one focused on the past wrongs, one focused on the future rights.
One looking back but holding the other one looking forward accountable and vise versa.
#thinking out loud...
This one is Obsessed with MacG, He cant finish 30 minutes without talking about him 3 times
😂😂😂 Khaya can't believe you still a fool
and you are intelligent, very smart foot licker
All you care about is MacG? Okay.
🎉🎉Great
perhaps you should not call it de-colonization? - perhaps a re-colonization with a better idea ....
Agreed because what is happening nowadays with the influx of people from over Africa,Asia and China as well as the Middle East is also colonisation, you just do not recognise it because those people are not from the West.
Penuel don’t look at other African nations , look at South Africa. This will be the country that changes Africa .
True 💯
Really interesting young man
Absolutely! Penuel has such a fresh and engaging perspective. It's inspiring to see young voices like his tackling important issues and sparking meaningful conversations. I look forward to having back on sona!
Always Nice to hear Penuel🙏❤thanks grootman...i font these conversations should be happening in front of white people though...but it's always good to hear you opinion
BIG QUESTION.....OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM IS OLD AND OUTDATED. WE NEED AGRICULTURE AND COMPUTER SKILLS OFFERED.
No government funding for orania. Why so much on the Zulu kingdom and others?
Fund terrorism?
The Ruberts and Oppenheimer funds them
Europeans brought what you enjoy to this continent. Lets just honour this and appreciate this fact.
True but their treacherous actions years ago still haunts us today. You might not see this as a middle class individual but the majority of impoverished blacks feel it. You can’t expect a slave to be thankful to his former master because he’s given him freedom.
Agree with lots you say Penuel.
The collapse of the Soviet union was equally tragic to Africa like it was to the Russians. Even Germany, South Korea and Japan are still militarily occupied today and forced into conflicts which have nothing to do with them.
I am only worried about both of you are so comfortable with John Steenhuisen burning our National Flag. Don't worry about Orania, those people are only doing their best, you are only talking, my brother was killed by Apartheid Special Branch police. Both of you are talking from a comfort zones
Please invite Floyd Shivambu on State of the nation
Hmmmmmm, only Trevor Noah and Black Coffee. How about Elon Musk, David Sacks, David Friedburg, Allan Gray, Vinnie Lingham, Ivan Glasenberg and quite a few others?
Ivan Glasenberg, no sorry that is one person one should not be celebrating.
I think he was just making an example
I hope Pen took the time to learn from Mike on how to conduct a podcast interview with respect and integrity. Once saw Penuel interview a lady and he had his head down looking at his phone for the most part. I felt sorry for her. Learn from your mistakes bro.
Thanks for the feedback. It’s always good to learn and improve from past experiences. I appreciate your honesty, and I’m sure Pen is focused on growing with each interview. Respect and integrity in these conversations are key, and it’s great to hear Mike sets that standard. 🙏
I remember that. He's mentioned before that he typically uses his phone to make notes and apologises to the guest and viewer in advance. Maybe he didn't flag it for that engagement.
I don't see anything wrong when a person is using a phone for notes cause even our presidents read their speech cause u can't rember everything
Last point is I don't see anything wrong how pen conduct his interviews maybe u are to serious or to formal
Just try Joe Rogan interview style they can drink alcohol while teaching
I love this Podcast but I feel listening to it is better than watching. The studio setup is too bright I think. Any interior design people that can explain why I have this issues.
This one was not the one for Penuel. We need a rematch on the @konvo channel
Yes we should use or define our Own Afrikan Standards/Measures of Success & Happiness based on our Ancestors Noble Principle of UBUNTU, Not Westerners nor Easterners of late ones.
Talk of wearing ties in hot weather. I think of Nigerian, Kenyan judges who wear white wigs - to look like old British judges?
Did he just say "black people enjoy being oppressed"? and Mike ran with the "welfare depends on the oppressor" - yhoooo hayi maaaan kanti what is happening with these people
Is he not correct because you are hangung onto very oppressive leaders, let's take for example the binding of the population to a social grant; is that not oppression?
@@nicolaasludick4807 He is not correct, Black people have not been conscientized so they don't even know that they are "oppressed", Social grants stand to benefit the have-nots and the elderly. The state of governance and the powers invested in people are not properly explained to the masses, hence the ANC can buy votes with t-shirts and food parcels. Suggesting that people with less knowledge and comprehension of politics "enjoy oppression" is fucked up and shouldn't be taken lightly.
They are speaking their truth!
Today's guest, "The Guy Who Sounds Smart to Really Dumb People". I am here, watching and trying so hard to understand what Penuel is saying but it's just all over the place and mere bullocks. Incoherent to a fault!!!
The rest of us understand him just fine.
I don’t agree with everything that Penuel says but I’m convinced that at least he’s thought deeply about some of the things that he says. It’s. 👍🏾 from me.
@@UserHilux579 Blessings 🙏🏽
@@karabomophiring4227 Thank you, Karabo 🙏🏽
Today champ was not on form I concur with u🎉
That DA and ANC coalition is definitely not a solution, it's just Ramaphosa trying to dampen his FAILURES, I mean a fee paying father would be upset and disappointed if any of his children in mid year exams would get 57% in the final exams 40%, 40%? But unfortunately not the ANC_NEC.
Then everyone seems to fall for the GNU concept blanketing his failures, not me 😂.
naba abantu abaphilayo, uma ungalalele ngeke uzwe.
45:32 Zimbabweans
1:03:20
Penuel is awesome. But here, he spoke like a child.
Please elaborate
The problem is penual used all of his wisdom now he can't out perform the standard he set
This is happening in music when the artist can't surpass the best hit they produced
Is also happening in football ⚽️ the is out of form
You people talk much more of Cape town as better place my question to you is Soweto an Khayelitsha Alexander and capeflat
Balance the population if western cape with can't take care for smaller population rember Gauteng province it's the largest in population siting around 20 million but western cape is 7 million
Another thing is;
Rastafarian are already detached from the system.
I don’t understand why Penuel complain for absolutely nothing.
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MY HIGHLIGHT of this interview.
Mike sham said I love the system.
I love democracy too.
Democracy is a gift to a healed man. You see opportunities that the Penuel don’t see under democratic ❤❤❤
Population is growing in SA not in Europe and China. Japan, more old people in diapers than babies
Guys look penuel becoming incompetent and hear old man giving senses of mind
😂😂😂 eish godpen is tired I think he needs to take a break or writes down what he's going to talk about just like a radio everything it's scripted
I also noticed this blockage on Nota
This interview was to difficult a zoned out alot it was not that enthusiastic 😂
The perfect South Africa: Wakanda! 🤣😂😅🤣😂🤭😅🤣😂
Did Pen not say he is voting for Pres Zuma?
He said he will split his vote, but I remember him saying Gayton Mckenzie will get a share...
He did say he would vote for Gayton Mckenzie. Do research
100% on the subject of the system is outdated. But it is a system of control so stick to what you know.
You are very biased against Cape Town and the Western Cape, just because your Joburg is failing and you refuse to see reality. You need to be less opinionated, more realistic and open minded. You lack vision if you think Western Cape can't flourish like Singapore did. The Western Cape people have a much higher level of education, and their Western ideology is far more promising than the rest of the country, and you fail to consider that. Human Resources is the most important resource a country has, and sorry for you as a blinded Joburger/ Gautenger, its by far the best in the country. Please stop with your superiority / inferiority biases.
The same western that has been jumped by the Free state education for the last 4 years and is about cut two thousand teachers just so they can focus on security in rich areas.
Western cape is only one draught away from disaster like KZN
Crime in black and coloured areas? Cant even buy a flat in town cz of tourists & airbnb
😂😂😂😂 I rather be deaf than to lack understanding or is better i listern to a music cause my ears don't need logic
But let me simply it for u,when my guy mr sham is saying Capetown has no chance to out grow Gauteng or Johannesburg Pretoria
Is because Capetown landscape is a biggest disadvantage or fallback for Capetown cause is to expensive to build on mountains ⛰️ and too many natural disteasters such as wild 🔥 🔥
So investors they rather comes to jourburg in the flat land scape that is cheap and the hing number of population more than all the provinces p.s
😂😂😂 so pls facts doesn't not care about feelings love u❤🎉
We are a region consisting of tribes, not a country.
Let there be no apologies or guilt for apprecoating and devloping your culture and people. Meet to build the commons but go home to your culture and people.
So it's not only blacks that's disadvantage but others to😢
Whenever Mike talks about countries that have developed, his undertone is western democracies, but never wants to say it categorically. He is well aware that there is only 1 country any objective person can use as an example, and that is China. However, subjective supporters of Neoliberalism will never want to admit on public platforms that the Bretton Woods System has fallen. You even have US Senate people talking about how to compete with China, US might need to return to Keynesian Economics and more government intervention. But, ke... keep privitizing lol. The inherent contradictions of capitalism, and over reliance on rent seeking monopolies will create trickle down economy and change the fortunes of our poverty stricken country (sarcasm).
@@thatolesoro i agree completely that the bretton woods system, along with petrodollars etc is bad and needs to fall. I do not believe that central planning, such as is being practised more and more in China, is the answer. China is currently experiencing very serious economic problems, and it looks they will only get worse. That does not mean that i am fan of the currebt version of 'capitalism' as practised in the West. Keynsianism is completely crazy ecomomics, and has harmed every country that practised it, including the US in the 1930s. Personally, i think the problem is our current worldwide monetary system of fiat currency and central banking. In generations gone by, there was always a simple way to increase one's wealth in the lomg term if you didnt have much- delay gratification and save. This worked under a gold standard as money held its value. This doesnt work today, and the only way one can get ahead is by using their savings to invest in shares and the stock market. But this further exacerbates inequality, as we as the middle class are literally giving our money to those that already have the means of production! People who see the world from both a 'left' and 'right' point of view need to come together and realise that all decent people on both sides are looking for solutions to better everyone's life.
@@garethbarry3825 I hear you, and thanks for explaining your position. I don't think there is anything is wrong with Keynesian economics, or Socialism, or even Capitalism. The problem is the government at the time and understanding the world economic climate, and therefore designing thie countries productive forces accordingly (key economic sectors). China uses a mixed economic system. They are not fully socialist, and not fully capitalistic. They take from both sides, and apply to their labour and macroeconomic policies. No 1 system is inherently good, or bad. As someone who lives in China and interacts with Chinese people who can articulate how in their own life times, from the 1970s, central planning has moved 800 million people out of poverty. How, the life expectancy has moved from 35 to 78 years old from the 1940s, and how they are the most developed country in the world....For these reasons, I will stand by the Chinese mixed economic model... Juxtapose that to the life expectancy that is dropping in America, the violence, economic and social instability, drugs etc... And you are 100% right, I dont think people care what system, as long as it works and improves the material conditions of the masses of the people!
You're wrong about China, because if you're "categorical" you still need to "analyze" or "compare" against other communist counties, with this understanding, it's ridiculously clear, China is the exception (outlier) and most definitely not the norm, if we also look at junk countries, there is a clear correlation with most of them, and that is Communism, that shit system really destroys.
I strongly disagree with Gareth, im a hardcore Keynesian, because, most of the world suffer something i call Keynesian denialism, which Government has a skills monopoly in any sector or any industry, they have to go get help from the private sector in one way or another,which country let's Private sector do whatever they please,Communism/Government don't have absolute "exclusive" functions/skills monopoly, it's just horse crap and lies most of the time, further, the largest stuff up in Economic history was done by Capitalism and it was government who stepped in and cleaned up the mess(Government intervention), was it not for government cleaning up this mess, we would not be here.
Let's not confuse oursleves with foreign issue's and bring it home, i strongly detest the China comparison because, we already have a hypothesis of what wider communism would look like here, RSA government can't be given more responsibility, he needs far less, because of him trading recklessly by running deficits in most of parastals, government also has a horrible malfeasance/maladministration/corruption etc issue, RSA government has no clue what on earth he is doing, high crime/unemployment/low economic growth/poor education/poor health system etc is indicative of this, so hell no to Communism in RSA.
Let's look at Capitalism here in RSA, in over 350 years that trade has been around, Capitalism has constantly displayed racism and inequality, further, as the people of South Africa,is anyone in Exco accountable to us, no, they are not, they aren't democratically elected or democratically removed, they can hire hitler as CEO, have the worse policy on earth and we can do absolutely nothing about it,the worse level of dictatorship is found in the Private Sector not in government, so whatever you think of Elon Musk(Private Sector) gains is immaterial, because they aren't accountable to us,they only adhere to banal environmental/labour laws etc and account predominantly to profit, they clearly need a big brother in the room as they have been extremely careless here in RSA, constant complaints of racism/nepotism/cronyism/gini coefficient/JSE management mix etc is indicative of this.
This why im a hardcore Keynesian, it has it's flaws, but the long and short of it is, Communism can't be left alone, neither can Capitalism here in RSA, we need government at the centre as he is accountable to us the people of RSA, we also need Capitalism's phenomenal skillset and large project delivery capacity, hence Keynes being the sweet spot.
@@pinnacleinfinity9211 you have some interesting points, and have clearly thought a lot about this, which i respect. Furthermore, you want the best for people, which i also respect. May i suggest looking into Ludwig Von Mises, Friedrich Hayek and Murray Rothbard. I totally agree that our current system, propped up by western democracies, is broken. I disagree that your solutions will work. In your defence, almost no leader in todays world would ever implement Austrian School ideas (which i think is the solution) anyway, so it is something of a moot point.
Something does need to be done about inequality, and the middle class constantly being screwed over. There is only so much inequality that a society will accept before those at the bottom say 'screw this' and flip the whole thing upside down. I am a firm believer in people being given their own agency, and then being allowed to use that agency to better themselves, which is not we have in modern 'banking capitalism' - a system which is so far from a fair and free market it is scary.
@@garethbarry3825 💯👍🏾
Democy is another word for apartheid, they the same, what is aperthaid what is democracy.
The host just like many Old Timers his comments are factual incorrect.
1. He says the leaders should serve us and not the other way around. Oversimplified statement, in terms of the LAW you have to wait for 5 years to remove the person who in he 1st place was supposed to serve you.
2. Both GNU and LGU we voted for party and not those who were imposed to us allowed by the same LAW
Sometimes we need receipts because people can say whatever they want and never be hold accountable. SOURCE UP OR SHUT UP! WHETHER YOU ARE OLD OR YOUNG
Giving an independent Cape ..can work.look at Oranje..they don't need cheap labour.they do it themselves.
Wow and independent cape so they can practice they apartheid policy properly. You mad. So they can turn it into brasil where black people are treated as slaves and get to be hidden from mainstream media.
Then we are not a rainbow nation
@tshiamomaremela6870 not talking about that part..if everyone pulls together like with our rugby..
@@Aviemaria12 everyone pull together like our rugby? Please stop with the emotional abuse. One half lives in suburbs and the other half live in shanty towns and they must unite?
Only when it's suits you then we must unite but when we want real equality then it becomes a problem.
@levikalombo1630 I worked in communities.People get houses then rent it out to illegals and go back to a shack.its all about choices.
I am also a huge fan of Donald Trump and Jacob Zuma.
God made the bees then he made flies, if im understood correctly. Good people are almost non important in these extreme times we live in.
Mike you had to bring EFF to the mix, shame you honestly can't help your self.. I was hoping you would finish episode without talking about EFF
EFF ought to be ashamed of its professionalism.
You have to talk about EFF to be relevant