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Reading this run is a religious experience. This is the first Comicbook run I’ve ever read where I lost faith in one of my favorite writers and damn near wanted to burn every issue I read or heard of.
@@MaddoggComics Bro it’s so bad that I can’t even defend Bendis on any of his runs because this run shows how lazy Bendis really is when he writers stories
@@HELLO_KORO I actually liked Decimation a LOT for thinning the ranks of mutants, there was some really good character work with some of the characters who lost their powers and it made the then running New Xmen Academy X take some interesting turns as well (underrated series in my opinion)
I want to say it's actually One More Day or Civil War, but I I guess it's fair to say those were merely the first symptoms and AvX is the full blown illness
It was a massive bummer to say the least, especially after what Tomasi and Gleason did on Superman. Bendis was my #1 guys for the 00s between USM, DD, Powers, and NA. There were warning signs with books like Brilliant, Moon Knight, and those dumb Castle comics. But X-Men was the beginning of the end.
I'll give Bendis run one thing: He was the only writer that mentioned how stupid it was to blame Cyclops for Xavier's death during AvX. That part where he flat-out says it's Stark's was right on the money over that.
Not really Tony's fault. Not really Cyke's fault either, but Tony also isn't to blame because of the butterfly effect that stemmed from him accidentally splitting the Phoenix.
@@selinawalsh9075 The X-Men warned Tony to leave them alone to deal with the Phoenix. Tony insisted on intervening. His stupidity led to the Phoenix splitting into five and entering unprepared people's bodies. The X-Men then used their new powers to end hunger, stop wars and create a better world. The Avengers decided this was a bad thing and attacked them. Because of this, the Phoenix went dark as it tends to do and that caused Cyclops to kill Xavier. Yeah... this was all Tony's fault.
@@santiagoporroprofe2745 That's still a butterfly effect and doesn't directly tie Tony to Xavier's death. Just bad writing all around for all the characters involved.
I’ve realized something about Bendis. He’s only good at writing street level characters. Characters who don’t usually get involved in big cosmic events and are mostly normal humans who do things and speak like the average person. Daredevil, Ultimate Spiderman, and Alias are definitely good examples of this. Anything bigger than New York City, he can’t write well.
It could be argued that a) this is bendis doing what he does well, deceive/ crime stuff and b) this is early/ not yet crap Bendis. I agree though, liked his Daredevil is good fun.
His Daredevil run is probably among his best work for sure. I thought Ultimate Spider-man was mostly good (with some awfulness of course) but I remember his Avengers run being so jarring. It's as if he really loved the characters but had no clue how to really write them and it lead into the very meh House of M, which had some good parts but I felt was more redeemed by how some writers handled the aftermath more than the event itself.
Will never top clearly stating "going back creates a different timeline we don't leave we're stuck" to add stakes and then ending with a old man cap who supposedly went back to the 40s or 50s and just waited. Truly one of the movie moments of all time
@@joe5413 I think the implication was that it only makes an alternate timeline if you actually change something, since the Avengers returned all the stones and Cap didn't interfere with history, no new timelines were made except the one where Loki escaped.
"A white guy screaming at a marginalized community is a line that I really don't want to cross" That was a fantastic example of lightly delivered humor with a dark core. You get a like for that. Also, boy... as a minority who grew up loving the X-Men, there is a LOT of the time where writers like to make them knee-jerk reactive "everyone is a threat to me so I'll be aggressive first!" assholes and it really kinda... feels gross and bad. Though honestly when it's just the extremist mutants and not the X-men themselves, then it feels grounded instead, since that whole mindset is what MAKES them act the way they do. And a good example of how victim mentality can loop around to justifying abusive behavior. Also if that is a category, it's criminally under-populated by Penelope Hornwright. Because she is legitimately pretty despite being a Ghoul.
The Bendis run: Where every single X-Man made the worst decisions for the sake of melodrama. You can't even take sides here because everyone is acting like a teenage victim in a slasher movie or a character in a Michael Bay movie. Irredeemable a-holes and idiots for a far as the eyes can see. Bendis used to write better scripts. This was where he seemingly gave up and pumped out first drafts for paychecks. Bendis writing Jean Grey mind raping her team mates is something that would make the Hellfire Club envious. She psychically converted Iceman's sexuality and mind wiped Angel.
@@DunYappin I remember they got a divorce because Storm punched Black Panther in the face. What the hell was that? I mean, if you're gonna go for Jerry Springer, then have Black Panther slap the soul outta her in return and all the Avengers shout "oh!"
@@ScuffedF Avengers vs X-Men. Storm sided with the X-Men. Punched her husband in the face. Black Panther sent her a letter decreeing the marriage annulled.
I’ve never understood why they made young Bobby gay vs You laser Bobby. The conversation that could be had about sexual fluidity could have been interesting.
Bobby Drake, who first appeared 61 years ago, has been hetero for 99% of his existence. Their turning him into a closeted gay man was absolutely ridiculous and shat upon six decades of the characters’ life. Bobby is and always has been hetero. If Bendis wanted a LGBT X-Man then he should have brainstormed with an artist and created a brand-new character who was either closeted and ‘came out’ during the run or who was already openly LGBT at the start. The fact that he didn’t do so and instead, with permission from his higher-ups, turn Bobby Drake into a closeted gay man is more proof that Bendis is *not* a great writer.
Jean didn't out Bobby once. She did it twice - once to the younger version and then to the older version. But it was framed as a good thing. She was portrayed as the ultimate ally. Instead she took away Bobby's autonomy. Another writer later addressed in in Iceman's solo series (I think... I'm not sure, it also could have been a story arc and not a solo series). But this kind of character assassination is common for Bendis. There will always be a few casualties.
She manipulated Bobby and arguably caused a lot of mental health issues. Very out of character for her and she wouldn't betray his trust or privacy, that wouldn't be ethical.
It doesn’t sound like Bendis gave people nothing they wanted, but gave them too much of anything and couldn’t keep it all organized. Even if most of the ideas would have been great on their own, there is absolutely such a thing as too much of a good thing
Kitty Pride was in space during this story. 55:32 Since Bendis also wrote Guardians of the Galaxy run, and in his run Kitty and Starlord were dating. Not to mention there was a Trial of young Jean Grey about Phoenix force.
I hated his Guardians of the Galaxy run as well, especially coming off the Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning era. That's why I never liked the Guardians of the Galaxy movies, because they're based on Bendis' run.
@@megamanxhunterThe movies never used Bendis' material though. Guardians 1 primarily takes stuff from Abnett and Lanning's series with sprinkles of Annihilation and Annihilation Conquest. (Specifically Star Lord's story of forming the Guardians) The Bendis run was made as promotional material for this movie, so during production the creative team referred to Abnett and Lanning with Keith Giffen's stuff. In fact it was originally pitched as an Annihilation movie. Guardians 3 also takes stuff from the previously mentioned stories as well as Jim Starlin's Adam Warlock and Bill Mantlo's Rocket Raccoon. The only one close to Bendis is Guardians 2 but even then it doesn't pull much from the comics aside from Mantis, Ego, and Peter's relationship with his father.
I feel like Bendis’s run got worse over time due to how he most likely wrote it knowing that Jonathan Hickman was culminating everything into Secret Wars (2015) and at the time he was conceiving this, Marvel Editorial (Axel Alonso & Tom Brevoort) was seriously entertaining the notion that they were going to do a full-on Reboot of Marvel Comics continuity AFTER Secret Wars wrapped up. Then it didn’t happen and Bendis, and by extension Marvel, were stuck with the controversial changes (Iceman) and baffling story decisions (O5 X-Men in the then-Present Day) made during this specific run. This is probably why they eventually allowed Hickman to write the X-Men nearly half a decade later…to make sense of a lot of the changes made by Bendis, Lemire, Ike Perlmutter’s insistence on replacing the X-Men w/ Inhumans, etc. It was incredible to see how Hickman took a joke character like Goldballs and made him one of the most important Mutants in existence in one page amongst other things…and it probably wouldn’t have been possible had huge mistakes like Bendis’s X-Men Run never happened 🤷🏽♂️
I was never a fan of bendis x-men run it was so bad and frankly such a mess of a storyline that made no sense whatsoever in my opinion, and just proves my point more and more that Bendis really should’ve just focus on ultimate Spider-Man and not write x-men or any main stream marvel characters in my opinion. Also the second he got to dc he also ruined my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy and instead of undoing the damage he just left with my boy Jon Kent superboy and nobody wants to undo that mess in my opinion.
@@jerfuhrer2581 please there’s always way to kill two birds with one stone with this awful change, and what’s that you are basically asking short version have this Jon Kent be a fake, while the real Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self be saved by his family and boom problem solved everybody wins.
@@bongobongo3661 indeed same here as well and honestly I will never forgive bendis for destroying this amazing team of Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and Damian Wayne robin being the super sons.
There will always be a thousand different opinions in large fandoms. Any good writer will be able to sift through that and get what will makes sense for the story. They can add things that fans will like without alienating everyone. A bad writer insults the fans then makes a terrible story and blames fans for not enjoying the crap.
All-New X-Men #1 was my first ever proper X-Men comic after AvX. While I eventually dropped the run and I fully understand how bad it is, I have a soft spot for it due to the memories it brings me.
Something that drives me insane about this story, or time-travel stories in the Marvel/DC Universes in general, is that it highlights how broken "time" is in these comics. How old is Scott? What year did his past self come from? What year was he born? Marvel can't really answer ANY of these questions, and it makes it all very difficult to digest for me. If he was 16 in 1963 when X-Men #1 came out, then he was born in 1947, so in 2024 he'd be 77. How do I work with this? What kind of culture did he grow up with? What movies did he love as a child? What music was he into in his 20's? These would be important facts to know if you wanted to understand my character, and those facts are kind of impossible to explore in modern Big-2 comics. Personally, I will always think MARVEL is a weaker product than we would've gotten if Marvel had acted as a traditional publisher and allowed storytellers to own their creations rather than operating within a shared publisher's universe, but that's such an alternate reality that it's hard to sell to folks in this one.
To be a Marvel fan you ether accept the Sliding timescale or you don't. Founding of the X-men is now in the 00's instead of the 60's. Tony fought in Iraq not Vietnam and so forth.
The timescale in Marvel has usually shaken out to 4 years IRL to 1 year in 616. in mid 2010s comics it was usually pretty consistent that the silver age was about 15 years ago. the original five x-men and spider-man would've been vaguely in their early 30s.
I wish they'd just make new interesting characters that move the timeline forward while keeping the originals in the same time. For this to work the writers have to actually come up with new characters that don't suck though
Hot damn, Marcus! Nobody is doing this long form content anywhere near as good as you. Can't believe the effort that's gone into this I'm sure. Absolutely amazing work, and I can't wait to see what your next one is. Keep up the great work, mate!
The title makes it seem like a rant, but damn this video actually sold me on. I want to read the Bendis X-Men now...great work Marcus.amazing video. Edit: Wow, Beast is a creep. Edit 2: Holy shit you actually said Hawk Tuah?
I was personally confused by what the time displaced X-men found shocking. According to the sliding timeline of Marvel, their adventures would have happened in the 90s or early 00s
Bendis gives zero fucks about reading or researching for established characters. He does best when he has no cannon to follow. His Spider-Man series is widely popular because he riffs and adapts all the greatest Spider-Man stories ever made.
Man, i’m not sure how I got here - I’ve not bought a comic in over twenty years, but my Lord I’m amazed at the artwork that looks great and horrified by all of the artwork that looks just terrible, like it’s something that I could do myself. Woof. But thanks for this video; it’s been fun catching up on some of the craziness that’s been in my once-beloved X-Men comics!
10:45 What do you mean "You can't say a comic from the 60's hasn't aged that well? In the original X-Men, Professor X was a creepy, old PDF file that was horny for an underage Jean Gray while also making fun of disabled people because Xavier wouldn't pursue her because of his inability to walk. Also, why the praise for Bendis and Ultimate Spiderman? Wolverine was a A-hole to women who tries to sleep with underage girls multiple times and Bendis had Logan try to sleep with MJ while in Peter Parker's body. And don't get me started on the whole Wanda and Pietro incestuous relationship. Bendis is a sicko.
Dude BMB has talent. Alias was great, ultimate spiderman was great, and his Daredevil run was one of the best comic runs i ever read. But now that we have 20+ years of a comic resume, i think we can say his great writing is the exception to an average/bad writing career.
"X-Men fans never like any change", what? Talk to any X-Men fan community and you'll find most people love the post mutant massacre/outback era which is one of the biggest status quo changes in the history of the book
38:20 yeah that part was retcon in Children´s Crusade putting the blame of Wanda´s action during Dissasembled and House of M with her being manipulated by Doctor Doom, and at that point all the Avengers that died during Dissasembled were alive again so I guess everybody thinks she is no longer guilty of anything.
As someone who only reads through X-men sparsingly for Nightcrawler and Cyclops I LOVED this story Seeing cyclops actually form his own ideals on how his people should be treated after being “Xavier’s boyscout” so long was really nice
Bendis’ X-Men was my first X-Men, and the All-New team will always have a place in my heart. I related heavily, and in some ways still do, to Cyclops’ breakdown over the course of the series, and it meant a lot to me. But I definitely felt the pieces falling apart in the end. I still think something happened behind the scenes during the Last Will of Xavier arc that made it drag longer, hence the covers and weird stalling for most of the story. But I liked this era and I miss it. So thanks for reminding me of it.
So I know you said that you are not a big X-Men fan, so it's understandable but I had to scratch my head at you calling Dazzler a lesser known/joke character. In terms of familiarity and popularity in the fandom Dazzler ranks pretty high up there, that's*despite* her not having a lot of recent appearances in comics and on screen adaptions. It was basically just bandis pulling out a character that a lot of people wanted to see again. . . And then doing nothing with it.
Yeah being completely fair a lot of people couldn’t name an extended X-men cast but know who dazzler is. Yeah she’s c-tier if not d-tier for the general public but she’s an insanely popular character.
Illyana is my favorite character, it is not hard forme to defend his run because he was the last person to actually remember her abilities and move her story forwards. After we left we had writers misuse her severely. While it isn't that bad anymore, the last person to do progression with her was Bendis. Everyone else is redoing old Limbo stories. Did I just invalidate the entire reason for this video to exist?
Am I not alone with how badly the out of nowhere Changing of Iceman's Sexuality is? It just feels like it was made for Brownie points with the Community. It's the same exact reason why the changing of Aqualad to be Bisexual in Young Justice seasons 3/4 never sat right with me because I remember being a fan of this character when he was the most unknown and sole black member of the team and now he's just presented as being Bisexual yet that means he's only ever seen with dudes despite being introduced having a female love interest and theyve absolutely refused to develop his potential as the successor to Aquaman or even his abilities as a leader of young Justice before Nightwing took Over
The Aqualad thing is because DC has a huge issue with homosexuality presented as a good thing entirely, because of how old it is as company. Their most famous coupling is Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy, neither of which are characters that historically would be the poster for that in DC if treated them well. Which leads to the implication that those two being essentially villains gave them an out to not tolerate it. Which in turn in my view sabotages Harley Quinn's position as the Fourth Pillar of DC exploring mental health through a character. The original Batwoman was perfect to explore Lesbian relationships as a woman wanting to live a normal life with another woman. The Alan Scott Green Lantern is the biggest display of that problem with male homosexuality, because his entire existence has had that as a part of his character, that writers and editorial flatly refused to explore in a heroic framing, until New 52 Earth 2. Having Midnighter and Apollo gives them a way to actually properly explore it, but they will not because Midnighter is gay Batman and Apollo is gay Superman. That they will not forgive, so will not focus on books for them, except as the occasional run to show they have them, and ensure they do not go somewhere else, where someone would gallop off with them. Midnighter himself is in an even more precarious place, because his bigger aspect in his powers are better explored in Valiant's Ninjak, even though Midnighter came before Ninjak.
It made for some good moments but it came across as a little performative and forced. It's much better to create new gay characters instead of retconning old ones.
I always felt like the iceman situation was a personal beef & one-upsmanship between him and Jason aron when Jason was the head writer of xmen because prior to that iceman was dating kitty and when Jason left, he broke them up and made iceman gay
I know the xmen by popculture osmosis, watched a good few of the films but not all, but always been passively interested. Now a 2 hour video pops up while Ive got soem tedium at work to get through, I feel like Im gonna learn alot today
“X-men fans don’t know what they want, they just know, ‘don’t do that,’” first of all, incredibly patronizing. And second of all, if they know what they don’t want, then that’s a sign they know what they want. Like, if you genuinely believe that there’s nothing noteworthy in their criticism and thoughts, you’ve failed as a creator. You are not infallible, and the fact that there are so many complaints and comments about these issues is a great example of that. Like, nobody reading Spiderman wanted MJ to be kidnapped by a mad scientist, get Stockholm syndrome, have his kids, and then treat Peter like he’s the weird one for not being comfortable with this situation. You’re not recreating Secret Wars or Civil War, you’re taking a well developed relationship with beloved characters and actively dedicating on it. If a single Spiderman fan was consulted on this issue, they would have said don’t do it. Because, as he so “eloquently“ put it, they know what they don’t want.
What I loved about Bendis's X-Men Was that Everyone during this time was trying to make Cyclops this huge villain whilst Bendis was like "No! I'm not doing that". I swear some people had more sympathy for Magneto then Cyclops. It was bi-polar as fuck. Everyone was saying he was doing all this horrible stuff meanwhile he's just doing what the X-men have always done, rescue mutants and teach them how to defend themselves. Reminded me of the old X-Factor days mixed with Cable's X-Force. Fuck RrrrrHate! Also Do you know how many times Xavier has faked his death? Scott thinking Xavier was not dead is not out of the realm of possibility.
I like bendis BUT I hate when he doesn't take in consideration of the overall canon in the marvel comic universe at the time of writing book....what carried these books is the art of bachalo and immonen
I don’t have time to watch this right now, but I can’t wait. I love Bendis’ X-Men. At least the first several volumes of each book. It kinda fizzles out, but the early stuff is so good I don’t even care.
I actually disagree with the general statement made by this video. The character I actually care about on that team was actually written very well by Bendis. He understood the assignment when it came to Magik. After Fenris leaves the book the next few people that have her character just reuse the same Chris Claremont story beats until I'm sick of seeing them. He understood that her main story arc had been completed before she became a mainstay on the main X-Men team and took steps to push her story forward. And he was the last writer to do this. We got Extraordinary X-Men after that which was a Storm and Illyana book and the writer and artist didn't even understand how her powers worked. And of course they just reused the same tired storyline with Magik, regressing her to just another in a long line of people challenging her to the throne of Limbo. Fenris at least understood that you have to start using people who occupy the same space as her like Dormammu as a ruler of a different hell dimension. Even though she has gotten a lot of use in the last decade it never serves to move her core story forward. Even currently, you have Magneto, Cyclops, and Magik on yet another team together, but they seem to have reset the Magneto and Cyclops relationship and Magik is basically the one who does things while Scott and Erik get into philosophical debates. We dealt with this in Bendis' run. Illyana is even the one to make the declaration of mutant supremacy while making Dormammu curl up in the fetal position.
I will say this comic run was confusing but one moment I do like is when Gold Balls contemplates quitting and Cyclops tells him to just be a good person and that is enough to be a hero.
I just wish he started a new title starring Tempus, Triage, Morph, Goldballs, and Hijack trying to survive on their own in a post AvX world. Let him play with his own toys and keep him away from the big players
Bendis run made me quit reading x-men all together. I know Krakoa is a masterpiece. But it’s really hard to get back on the horse after that crap shoot of a run
I’m not going to say Bendis is a favorite writer of mine, but I absolutely loved his uncanny and all new X-men runs. I liked the harsher methods that this X-men team took. The ends justified the means at this point. I also liked seeing the younger X-men stuck in the future. Seeing their reaction to how far they had fallen and the things they did in the future was cool to see. I just hate how they had to go back to their own timeline. I swear at some point, it was established that these past X-men were locked out of their own time because it was an alternate universe or something like that.
It was a fantastic video. Honestly, the fact that nobody talks about it is what made your vid all the more special. I read it a few years back, and was really disappointed by it. I mostly liked the art and redesigns, but the story really was pointless, I didn't feel like it had a single great memorable story. It was vindicating hearing another persons perspective on it, even if it was a bit different from my own, at least I finally got something out of having read it 😅
I may be alone in this but I am more than willing to die on this hill - if you want a character that is ‘different’ then CREATE A COOL NEW CHARACTER, not take well known and established characters and force them to fit your new mold. Bobby has a history of like sixty years of being attracted to women and now they expect people to respect that he’s supposedly been closeted for all of these years? C’mon. If you want a character who is LGBT, Jewish, Muslim, Hindi, Buddhist, Christian, Far-Left, Far-Right, whatever - doesn’t really matter - then just make a cool character instead of forcing long established characters to fit your new version of them. If you make a character who is cool enough then people will appreciate that far more than dragging Iceman, a known womanizer, into the LGBT community. While I haven’t bought any comics in like two decades I do know that there’s now a Muslim X-Man/X-Force-X-Whatever who iirc is named Dust (?). While I know virtually nothing about her I have heard that she has been a fairly successful character - not A-Tier like Wolverine of course but not E-Tier - which is proof that you can create brand new characters that appeal to a certain demographic within the comic book fandom. Bobby Drake is hetero, sorry. He always has been and always will be. Go make a new character that you want to be LGBT and if you make that character awesome then people will like the character.
I really like the alternate reading of the scene of Iceman's gay reveal: Jean Grey's sinister technique to psychically make you gay is way funnier and somehow makes more sense than Iceman being in the closet retcon.
Now do one for the Avengers. People will study how much he misunderstood what Sentry appeal was and the character is still recovering with a strange fanbase all thanks to his complete fumble of it.
39:34 Reporter: "Well... if you don't want to be called "mutant," what should we call you?" Havik: "How about Alex?" That was such a stupidly simple line, and yet at the same time, it was powerful. I have to admit, Bendis has his moments.
I actually recommend the Rucka Cyclops. I picked it up just cause I was following X-men at the time but it’s a really good father and son sorry and helped show Cyclops developing more and adding some more skills (I know it’s more Nightcrawlers thing and he doesn’t need but I like a sword wielding swashbuckling Cyclops)
Comics during the 2000's were always one of two things with no outliers or inbetweens You'd either get A. A really well written interesting and thought out look at the character and his history written by people who clearly love the series B. A fanfic written by the Postal Dude
The time this run of X-Men was happening was the only time I was buying comics month to month, and the first time I'd really gotten into comics. I was reading a lot of series but I remember the X-Men really felt all over the place and like every story was just going nowhere. There were a lot of things I liked about this run, but month to month it especially feels weird to read
I’ll be that guy, I genuinely enjoyed this series. Is it definitive? No. Is it the best series of all time? Probably not. But I had fun reading the series and found the work to be interesting and reflective of the time it came out.
This whole run just annoys me second hand. “Cyclops killed Charles Xavier?” Same people: Yes. X-idiots: “hE wAsNt iN cOnTrOl oF hImSeLf1!” Then we have Jean outting Iceman and this effecting the mainstream one.
@DunYappin The issue isn't that there needs to be a reason he wasn't gay to begin with and they made him that way and that's all his stories are about now. You wouldn't be upset if they took a gay, pan, tran character and made them straight.
Dude was always gay coded. Sure he tried to get with woman like Opal Tanaka but it never stuck. Dude friendzoned Rogue when she was on the rebound. C'mon!
Bendis run was terrible, everything he did to Iceman was AWFUL. The time travel of the young OG team was stupid, the Ape Beast third mutation was bad and all anyone wanted was him back in OG form instead of the cat look (Only John Cassaday ever made cat beast look good). Cyke going full supervillain and all of the stupid Xmen/Inhumans stuff is stupid. It feels more like X-Men than Hickmans absolute garbage hippy racism island bullshit but it was not a good run. Bendis run was way too obsessed with time travel shenanigans too, not only the young ones but that battle of the atom future bad guys too.
after the 2000s i could only dip my toe back into the X-Men every once in a while to see if i would like anything i see, never did. thank the x gene for X-Men 97.
Just had another think about this and 1) Absolutely awesome covers 2) Cyclops new costume was awesome 3) nowhere near as bad as most xmen titles from the early 2000's 3) the awful inhumans story line wasnt bendis was it?
When it comes to magneto being Scott’s second. You should read what came a bit before. He had been Scott’s second for a good amount of time. He wasn’t even second for most of that time either. He was under both Wolverine and Emma.
Fair point, i was just tryna judge this run as it comes, but regardless of when it started, that dynamic still feels... Uncanny to me haha. I may do some more X-Men reviews in the future, bit of a casual to that side of Marvel. Hope you enjoyed the video!
The idea of the young X-Men being in the present was not terrible. Having Scott and Warren see their future selves is an interesting idea. But it went on for too damn long. After Secret Wars, they should’ve been back in the past. Or at the end of Bendis’s run, he put them back in the past. What happened after Secret Wars is not on Bendis, even if his run was meh overall. But when Marvel relaunched post Secret Wars, they set up that Cyclops was dead but the young X-Men were still around. By the end of X-Men Blue, I was so tired of them. Same goes for Old Man Logan. His solo series was fun, especially when he fought Maestro, but I was more than a little happy when I learned about Dead Man Logan. No one believed that Wolverine and Cyclops were dead permanently but it would have been interesting to explore the X-Men without them or Jean. But young Jean was still there. Maybe I’m rambling and not making any sense. I will say, before Bendis’s run I was not a fan of Magik and after reading Uncanny X-Men, she’s probably my favorite female X-Men character in competition with Rogue.
@joshsmith9572 It's absolutely awesome that you enjoyed it. I just couldn't get behind his writing, paired with the art style (forgive me, I forgot their name). It's worse with The Boys, but it's the beginning here. Dude can't help his selective hate boner for superheroes while making a superhero comic.
The one thing that this run had was terrorist Cyclops, that was a really cool direction to take his character it's just a shame it fell apart the way it did.
How come the past versions were teens in their 60s when the present versions look like young adults or early middle aged in the 2010s instead of being in their late 60s? Also aside from the sentinals, anti-mutant racism hadn't become a thing until the 80s so how would the 60s crew even be familiar with that?
Marvel is on a sliding timeline scale so even though the comics were originally set in the 60s it moves up with modern times so they were from 1999/2000 at the time
speaking as a massive Laura kinney fan thats go to the effect of collecting a great deal of her histoty and titals that feature her even those that dont make sense for her charater or shes barely a foot note in (looking at you IVX) her joining the time displaced young xmen, dosnt really make a lot of sense or fighting against her father. sure they've not always seen eye to eye. but i can only think of one or two times they come to blows. once when she was sucidal and the other time when logan was possesed by a demon the last thing Laura was in before this was avangers academy. honestly decent series and it was something new for Laura to do when she joined in the later half of its life span. and i wish it would have gone longer, i maintaime a deep desire for Laura to get out of the black hole of missry the xmen have been stuck in for the last 20 years. Eseaplisy after/ during Karoka if you tilt your head, you could maybe say that Laura would have being annoyed at her dad for using her a the token xmen in the avangers school, and that combined with her 180 charater shift that bendis created could maybe explain it but. i doubt even mr fantasic could strech that far as for the Laura and scout 'moment' i cant say its much more than that becouse it lasts like all of two issues and they never even have anything aproching a rommaniic moment if you dont count the 'click bait' issue art as young scout gos of to hang out with the star jammers and Laura hooks up with warran soon after. i will say while i never shipped young scout and Laura, a romance or friendship could have being intresting as when Laura first joined the xmen, scout did go to bat for Laura. if his past self remembered her her furutre self. he would have had for kowlage of who shed become. ironicly if i recall correctly when the time displaced young xmen did finnaly go back to the past, its revealed that scout is the only one that remembers as parently. adult scout had being playing dead since IVX but onto my thoughts on the time displaced young xmen, they outstayed their welcome if they ever had any. i know likly they were only brought in to the books to tie into the 'foxx' first class continuity that was just started to focus on jean, beast, scout and others at the time but i have always felt they were a mistake. the 2010s should have ether being focused on reintroducing 'new xmen team' that got shafted in the mutant messiah arc or created a new team, or anything else. one of the xmens biggest issue is they only seeminly care bout the orgional 5, giant sezed and sometimes new mutants
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Reading this run is a religious experience. This is the first Comicbook run I’ve ever read where I lost faith in one of my favorite writers and damn near wanted to burn every issue I read or heard of.
😂 damn that bad huh?
Not at all. They're being incredibly dramatic. @@stephenthedude4383
Steady on, sir. Those guys at comicpop have thoroughly prayed for that
There was definitely what felt like some eternal suffering in this run somewhere 😅 hope you enjoyed the video!
@@MaddoggComics Bro it’s so bad that I can’t even defend Bendis on any of his runs because this run shows how lazy Bendis really is when he writers stories
Avengers vs X-Men is honestly THE event that began the decline of Marvel’s ability to progress the characters.
More like House of M/Decimation somany characters with ongoing books got canned in that era
@@HELLO_KORO touché
@@HELLO_KORO I actually liked Decimation a LOT for thinning the ranks of mutants, there was some really good character work with some of the characters who lost their powers and it made the then running New Xmen Academy X take some interesting turns as well (underrated series in my opinion)
I want to say it's actually One More Day or Civil War, but I I guess it's fair to say those were merely the first symptoms and AvX is the full blown illness
What they lost me with was the ending of Civil War. I still want to see that trial, dammit. I dropped every marvel book except F4 on the spot.
It's honestly admirable how you try to squeeze meaning out of Bendis's random choices like picking Dark Beast as a villain.
And just wait until you read his abismal run on Superman. He managed to sink that book line to an historical 75% drop in sales.
Oh man it was utterly INSANE wasn't he (Bendis) the one who decided to kill nightwing with a stick
@@savlosavageNo, that was Injustice and that was Elseworld, and was written by Tom Taylor
@@savlosavageIt was an elseworlds story Injustice thankfully no
@StoicScarf oh okay ok
It was a massive bummer to say the least, especially after what Tomasi and Gleason did on Superman. Bendis was my #1 guys for the 00s between USM, DD, Powers, and NA. There were warning signs with books like Brilliant, Moon Knight, and those dumb Castle comics. But X-Men was the beginning of the end.
I'll give Bendis run one thing: He was the only writer that mentioned how stupid it was to blame Cyclops for Xavier's death during AvX. That part where he flat-out says it's Stark's was right on the money over that.
Not really Tony's fault. Not really Cyke's fault either, but Tony also isn't to blame because of the butterfly effect that stemmed from him accidentally splitting the Phoenix.
@@selinawalsh9075 The X-Men warned Tony to leave them alone to deal with the Phoenix. Tony insisted on intervening. His stupidity led to the Phoenix splitting into five and entering unprepared people's bodies. The X-Men then used their new powers to end hunger, stop wars and create a better world. The Avengers decided this was a bad thing and attacked them. Because of this, the Phoenix went dark as it tends to do and that caused Cyclops to kill Xavier. Yeah... this was all Tony's fault.
@@santiagoporroprofe2745 That's still a butterfly effect and doesn't directly tie Tony to Xavier's death. Just bad writing all around for all the characters involved.
@@selinawalsh9075 It's not really a butterfly effect when his decisions directly led to the result
AvX is probably what SECRET WARS will be about: the last 2 remaining timelines 😀
I’ve realized something about Bendis. He’s only good at writing street level characters. Characters who don’t usually get involved in big cosmic events and are mostly normal humans who do things and speak like the average person. Daredevil, Ultimate Spiderman, and Alias are definitely good examples of this. Anything bigger than New York City, he can’t write well.
He even did a batman book and it was really good.
I liked him on the Daredevil run. That's it. What him and Quesada did to the X-Men was a crime.
Everything Quesada does is a crime
It could be argued that a) this is bendis doing what he does well, deceive/ crime stuff and b) this is early/ not yet crap Bendis. I agree though, liked his Daredevil is good fun.
I think it might be time for lunch, because my eyes absolutely refused to focus and I kept reading and rereading that as "Quesadilla".
His Daredevil run is probably among his best work for sure. I thought Ultimate Spider-man was mostly good (with some awfulness of course) but I remember his Avengers run being so jarring. It's as if he really loved the characters but had no clue how to really write them and it lead into the very meh House of M, which had some good parts but I felt was more redeemed by how some writers handled the aftermath more than the event itself.
To be fair, most people who decide to play with time travel don’t tend to think it out, the MCinematicU certainly didn’t.
Those screenwriters are utterly clueless
Will never top clearly stating "going back creates a different timeline we don't leave we're stuck" to add stakes and then ending with a old man cap who supposedly went back to the 40s or 50s and just waited. Truly one of the movie moments of all time
Meh
@@joe5413 I think the implication was that it only makes an alternate timeline if you actually change something, since the Avengers returned all the stones and Cap didn't interfere with history, no new timelines were made except the one where Loki escaped.
@@saucevc8353 Him just being there changes something. There wasn't a Captain America in that time, then there was. That's a change.
"A white guy screaming at a marginalized community is a line that I really don't want to cross" That was a fantastic example of lightly delivered humor with a dark core. You get a like for that. Also, boy... as a minority who grew up loving the X-Men, there is a LOT of the time where writers like to make them knee-jerk reactive "everyone is a threat to me so I'll be aggressive first!" assholes and it really kinda... feels gross and bad. Though honestly when it's just the extremist mutants and not the X-men themselves, then it feels grounded instead, since that whole mindset is what MAKES them act the way they do. And a good example of how victim mentality can loop around to justifying abusive behavior.
Also if that is a category, it's criminally under-populated by Penelope Hornwright. Because she is legitimately pretty despite being a Ghoul.
The Bendis run: Where every single X-Man made the worst decisions for the sake of melodrama. You can't even take sides here because everyone is acting like a teenage victim in a slasher movie or a character in a Michael Bay movie. Irredeemable a-holes and idiots for a far as the eyes can see.
Bendis used to write better scripts. This was where he seemingly gave up and pumped out first drafts for paychecks.
Bendis writing Jean Grey mind raping her team mates is something that would make the Hellfire Club envious. She psychically converted Iceman's sexuality and mind wiped Angel.
I mean they had Black Panther annul his marriage to Storm irrationally so idk it was all pretty schlocky
@@DunYappin I remember they got a divorce because Storm punched Black Panther in the face.
What the hell was that? I mean, if you're gonna go for Jerry Springer, then have Black Panther slap the soul outta her in return and all the Avengers shout "oh!"
@@ryanmcamis7419 Lol, shit had me gutted. Felt spiteful IMO.
She what now?
@@ScuffedF Avengers vs X-Men. Storm sided with the X-Men. Punched her husband in the face. Black Panther sent her a letter decreeing the marriage annulled.
Bendis' run was beyond frustrating. The dialogues of the young X-Men were cringy. And he also did Iceman dirty.
I still think the Hank/Jean thing was worse than the Bobby stuff, but I hope you enjoyed the video!
@@MaddoggComics great video. contoured how deranged it was
I’ve never understood why they made young Bobby gay vs You laser Bobby. The conversation that could be had about sexual fluidity could have been interesting.
Wait. Iceman being gay was Bendis? I thought it was a late writer
Bobby Drake, who first appeared 61 years ago, has been hetero for 99% of his existence. Their turning him into a closeted gay man was absolutely ridiculous and shat upon six decades of the characters’ life. Bobby is and always has been hetero. If Bendis wanted a LGBT X-Man then he should have brainstormed with an artist and created a brand-new character who was either closeted and ‘came out’ during the run or who was already openly LGBT at the start.
The fact that he didn’t do so and instead, with permission from his higher-ups, turn Bobby Drake into a closeted gay man is more proof that Bendis is *not* a great writer.
"This ending wasn't so great, but hey. At least we have Hickman on X-Men. That'll wrap up way better."
I miss the person I was before I said that...
I feel that
Jean didn't out Bobby once. She did it twice - once to the younger version and then to the older version. But it was framed as a good thing. She was portrayed as the ultimate ally. Instead she took away Bobby's autonomy. Another writer later addressed in in Iceman's solo series (I think... I'm not sure, it also could have been a story arc and not a solo series).
But this kind of character assassination is common for Bendis. There will always be a few casualties.
She manipulated Bobby and arguably caused a lot of mental health issues. Very out of character for her and she wouldn't betray his trust or privacy, that wouldn't be ethical.
The one positive thing about Brian Michael Bendis’s X Men is it makes Chuck Austin’s run on X Men look good
Let's not go that far
Oh, it's not that bad. Bendis' run actually has good moments despite the rough edges.
It doesn’t sound like Bendis gave people nothing they wanted, but gave them too much of anything and couldn’t keep it all organized. Even if most of the ideas would have been great on their own, there is absolutely such a thing as too much of a good thing
As a Superman fan I hope bendis never type another script again
Bendis was the one who made the mutants in the ultimate universe failed super soliders so he was clearly unqualified to write x-men.
Kitty Pride was in space during this story. 55:32 Since Bendis also wrote Guardians of the Galaxy run, and in his run Kitty and Starlord were dating. Not to mention there was a Trial of young Jean Grey about Phoenix force.
I hated his Guardians of the Galaxy run as well, especially coming off the Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning era. That's why I never liked the Guardians of the Galaxy movies, because they're based on Bendis' run.
@@megamanxhunterThe movies never used Bendis' material though.
Guardians 1 primarily takes stuff from Abnett and Lanning's series with sprinkles of Annihilation and Annihilation Conquest. (Specifically Star Lord's story of forming the Guardians) The Bendis run was made as promotional material for this movie, so during production the creative team referred to Abnett and Lanning with Keith Giffen's stuff. In fact it was originally pitched as an Annihilation movie.
Guardians 3 also takes stuff from the previously mentioned stories as well as Jim Starlin's Adam Warlock and Bill Mantlo's Rocket Raccoon.
The only one close to Bendis is Guardians 2 but even then it doesn't pull much from the comics aside from Mantis, Ego, and Peter's relationship with his father.
I feel like Bendis’s run got worse over time due to how he most likely wrote it knowing that Jonathan Hickman was culminating everything into Secret Wars (2015) and at the time he was conceiving this, Marvel Editorial (Axel Alonso & Tom Brevoort) was seriously entertaining the notion that they were going to do a full-on Reboot of Marvel Comics continuity AFTER Secret Wars wrapped up.
Then it didn’t happen and Bendis, and by extension Marvel, were stuck with the controversial changes (Iceman) and baffling story decisions (O5 X-Men in the then-Present Day) made during this specific run. This is probably why they eventually allowed Hickman to write the X-Men nearly half a decade later…to make sense of a lot of the changes made by Bendis, Lemire, Ike Perlmutter’s insistence on replacing the X-Men w/ Inhumans, etc.
It was incredible to see how Hickman took a joke character like Goldballs and made him one of the most important Mutants in existence in one page amongst other things…and it probably wouldn’t have been possible had huge mistakes like Bendis’s X-Men Run never happened 🤷🏽♂️
I was never a fan of bendis x-men run it was so bad and frankly such a mess of a storyline that made no sense whatsoever in my opinion, and just proves my point more and more that Bendis really should’ve just focus on ultimate Spider-Man and not write x-men or any main stream marvel characters in my opinion. Also the second he got to dc he also ruined my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy and instead of undoing the damage he just left with my boy Jon Kent superboy and nobody wants to undo that mess in my opinion.
@@jerfuhrer2581 please there’s always way to kill two birds with one stone with this awful change, and what’s that you are basically asking short version have this Jon Kent be a fake, while the real Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self be saved by his family and boom problem solved everybody wins.
@@TevyaSmolkaI agree. I was enjoying Jonathan's dynamic with Damien in the Supersons book and then Bendis showed up and ruined everything
@@bongobongo3661 indeed same here as well and honestly I will never forgive bendis for destroying this amazing team of Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and Damian Wayne robin being the super sons.
Eyes and eyebrows being visible is an artistic thing, common in anime
Glacial pacing. They were reading that Xavier will for at least 6 months
“They don’t know what they want” x-men fans want everything to not be undone with bullshit time travel all the time it’s not that hard
There will always be a thousand different opinions in large fandoms. Any good writer will be able to sift through that and get what will makes sense for the story. They can add things that fans will like without alienating everyone. A bad writer insults the fans then makes a terrible story and blames fans for not enjoying the crap.
As a gigantic Daredevil fan, I shall never understand how Bendis' run on the book is upheld by so many as one of the best.
All-New X-Men #1 was my first ever proper X-Men comic after AvX. While I eventually dropped the run and I fully understand how bad it is, I have a soft spot for it due to the memories it brings me.
Something that drives me insane about this story, or time-travel stories in the Marvel/DC Universes in general, is that it highlights how broken "time" is in these comics. How old is Scott? What year did his past self come from? What year was he born? Marvel can't really answer ANY of these questions, and it makes it all very difficult to digest for me.
If he was 16 in 1963 when X-Men #1 came out, then he was born in 1947, so in 2024 he'd be 77. How do I work with this? What kind of culture did he grow up with? What movies did he love as a child? What music was he into in his 20's? These would be important facts to know if you wanted to understand my character, and those facts are kind of impossible to explore in modern Big-2 comics.
Personally, I will always think MARVEL is a weaker product than we would've gotten if Marvel had acted as a traditional publisher and allowed storytellers to own their creations rather than operating within a shared publisher's universe, but that's such an alternate reality that it's hard to sell to folks in this one.
To be a Marvel fan you ether accept the Sliding timescale or you don't. Founding of the X-men is now in the 00's instead of the 60's. Tony fought in Iraq not Vietnam and so forth.
@@Fenris30 also apparently the timeline between CIVIL WAR and now has only been like 3 years
The timescale in Marvel has usually shaken out to 4 years IRL to 1 year in 616. in mid 2010s comics it was usually pretty consistent that the silver age was about 15 years ago. the original five x-men and spider-man would've been vaguely in their early 30s.
I wish they'd just make new interesting characters that move the timeline forward while keeping the originals in the same time. For this to work the writers have to actually come up with new characters that don't suck though
Being fair to Scott not thinking Xavier died. How many times has someone in the X-men pulled the fake death card by that time
In this run alone i can count 3 times 😅 so good point!
There's also the multiple times characters die and come back in superhero comics
Hot damn, Marcus! Nobody is doing this long form content anywhere near as good as you. Can't believe the effort that's gone into this I'm sure. Absolutely amazing work, and I can't wait to see what your next one is. Keep up the great work, mate!
NOW THIS IS CONTENT. Hope this breaks through the algorithm, fantastic video mate.
You could have just titled it “There’s no defending Bendis”
The title makes it seem like a rant, but damn this video actually sold me on. I want to read the Bendis X-Men now...great work Marcus.amazing video.
Edit: Wow, Beast is a creep.
Edit 2: Holy shit you actually said Hawk Tuah?
It was like Lost, he had no idea where he was going with it. That’s only fun for a little while.
I was personally confused by what the time displaced X-men found shocking. According to the sliding timeline of Marvel, their adventures would have happened in the 90s or early 00s
Bendis gives zero fucks about reading or researching for established characters. He does best when he has no cannon to follow. His Spider-Man series is widely popular because he riffs and adapts all the greatest Spider-Man stories ever made.
Bobby looking like a snow man creeps me the hell out. Especially the beady black eyes.
It's such a fun premise that just fizzles.
I honestly don’t know why Bendis writes comics at this point.
It’s for sure not perfect. But when it hit, it really really hit.
Yeah, I agree, I try always make these videos balanced and hopefully that came across 😅
@@MaddoggComics It did indeed, always appreciate that!
Man, i’m not sure how I got here - I’ve not bought a comic in over twenty years, but my Lord I’m amazed at the artwork that looks great and horrified by all of the artwork that looks just terrible, like it’s something that I could do myself. Woof.
But thanks for this video; it’s been fun catching up on some of the craziness that’s been in my once-beloved X-Men comics!
Glad you enjoyed it mate :) yeah, defo some Highs and lows with the art! Might check out Morrisons New X-Men soon too!
10:45 What do you mean "You can't say a comic from the 60's hasn't aged that well? In the original X-Men, Professor X was a creepy, old PDF file that was horny for an underage Jean Gray while also making fun of disabled people because Xavier wouldn't pursue her because of his inability to walk.
Also, why the praise for Bendis and Ultimate Spiderman? Wolverine was a A-hole to women who tries to sleep with underage girls multiple times and Bendis had Logan try to sleep with MJ while in Peter Parker's body. And don't get me started on the whole Wanda and Pietro incestuous relationship.
Bendis is a sicko.
Dude BMB has talent. Alias was great, ultimate spiderman was great, and his Daredevil run was one of the best comic runs i ever read.
But now that we have 20+ years of a comic resume, i think we can say his great writing is the exception to an average/bad writing career.
"X-Men fans never like any change", what? Talk to any X-Men fan community and you'll find most people love the post mutant massacre/outback era which is one of the biggest status quo changes in the history of the book
38:20 yeah that part was retcon in Children´s Crusade putting the blame of Wanda´s action during Dissasembled and House of M with her being manipulated by Doctor Doom, and at that point all the Avengers that died during Dissasembled were alive again so I guess everybody thinks she is no longer guilty of anything.
As someone who only reads through X-men sparsingly for Nightcrawler and Cyclops I LOVED this story
Seeing cyclops actually form his own ideals on how his people should be treated after being “Xavier’s boyscout” so long was really nice
Bendis’ X-Men was my first X-Men, and the All-New team will always have a place in my heart. I related heavily, and in some ways still do, to Cyclops’ breakdown over the course of the series, and it meant a lot to me. But I definitely felt the pieces falling apart in the end. I still think something happened behind the scenes during the Last Will of Xavier arc that made it drag longer, hence the covers and weird stalling for most of the story. But I liked this era and I miss it. So thanks for reminding me of it.
So I know you said that you are not a big X-Men fan, so it's understandable but I had to scratch my head at you calling Dazzler a lesser known/joke character. In terms of familiarity and popularity in the fandom Dazzler ranks pretty high up there, that's*despite* her not having a lot of recent appearances in comics and on screen adaptions. It was basically just bandis pulling out a character that a lot of people wanted to see again. . . And then doing nothing with it.
Yeah being completely fair a lot of people couldn’t name an extended X-men cast but know who dazzler is. Yeah she’s c-tier if not d-tier for the general public but she’s an insanely popular character.
Illyana is my favorite character, it is not hard forme to defend his run because he was the last person to actually remember her abilities and move her story forwards. After we left we had writers misuse her severely. While it isn't that bad anymore, the last person to do progression with her was Bendis. Everyone else is redoing old Limbo stories. Did I just invalidate the entire reason for this video to exist?
No, lmao, no you didn't.
Magik sucks
The Bendis X-Men are the reason why I don’t like time travel anymore.
(Still love the X-Men but my god that hurt my brain reading that)
Am I not alone with how badly the out of nowhere Changing of Iceman's Sexuality is? It just feels like it was made for Brownie points with the Community.
It's the same exact reason why the changing of Aqualad to be Bisexual in Young Justice seasons 3/4 never sat right with me because I remember being a fan of this character when he was the most unknown and sole black member of the team and now he's just presented as being Bisexual yet that means he's only ever seen with dudes despite being introduced having a female love interest and theyve absolutely refused to develop his potential as the successor to Aquaman or even his abilities as a leader of young Justice before Nightwing took Over
The Aqualad thing is because DC has a huge issue with homosexuality presented as a good thing entirely, because of how old it is as company.
Their most famous coupling is Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy, neither of which are characters that historically would be the poster for that in DC if treated them well.
Which leads to the implication that those two being essentially villains gave them an out to not tolerate it. Which in turn in my view sabotages Harley Quinn's position as the Fourth Pillar of DC exploring mental health through a character. The original Batwoman was perfect to explore Lesbian relationships as a woman wanting to live a normal life with another woman.
The Alan Scott Green Lantern is the biggest display of that problem with male homosexuality, because his entire existence has had that as a part of his character, that writers and editorial flatly refused to explore in a heroic framing, until New 52 Earth 2.
Having Midnighter and Apollo gives them a way to actually properly explore it, but they will not because Midnighter is gay Batman and Apollo is gay Superman. That they will not forgive, so will not focus on books for them, except as the occasional run to show they have them, and ensure they do not go somewhere else, where someone would gallop off with them.
Midnighter himself is in an even more precarious place, because his bigger aspect in his powers are better explored in Valiant's Ninjak, even though Midnighter came before Ninjak.
I'm gay and I think Jean Grey using mind control to make Bobby gay is bad.
It made for some good moments but it came across as a little performative and forced. It's much better to create new gay characters instead of retconning old ones.
@@JoshuaKevinPerry LOL! It's in character though... I can totally see her as that overly-zealous 'ally' who tries to 'make' her friends gay! LOL!
I always felt like the iceman situation was a personal beef & one-upsmanship between him and Jason aron when Jason was the head writer of xmen because prior to that iceman was dating kitty and when Jason left, he broke them up and made iceman gay
I know the xmen by popculture osmosis, watched a good few of the films but not all, but always been passively interested.
Now a 2 hour video pops up while Ive got soem tedium at work to get through, I feel like Im gonna learn alot today
There’s no defending Bendis. Period 😄
He really dropped off as a writer post Ultimate Spiderman.
I'll still always back most of his pre-2010 era work, but yeah... this one was tough 😅 hope you enjoyed the video!
“X-men fans don’t know what they want, they just know, ‘don’t do that,’” first of all, incredibly patronizing. And second of all, if they know what they don’t want, then that’s a sign they know what they want. Like, if you genuinely believe that there’s nothing noteworthy in their criticism and thoughts, you’ve failed as a creator. You are not infallible, and the fact that there are so many complaints and comments about these issues is a great example of that.
Like, nobody reading Spiderman wanted MJ to be kidnapped by a mad scientist, get Stockholm syndrome, have his kids, and then treat Peter like he’s the weird one for not being comfortable with this situation. You’re not recreating Secret Wars or Civil War, you’re taking a well developed relationship with beloved characters and actively dedicating on it. If a single Spiderman fan was consulted on this issue, they would have said don’t do it. Because, as he so “eloquently“ put it, they know what they don’t want.
If you don't want to feel patronised, maybe don't be a whiny fanboy bitch. 😂
Can't blame people for treating you based on how you act.
What I loved about Bendis's X-Men Was that Everyone during this time was trying to make Cyclops this huge villain whilst Bendis was like "No! I'm not doing that". I swear some people had more sympathy for Magneto then Cyclops. It was bi-polar as fuck. Everyone was saying he was doing all this horrible stuff meanwhile he's just doing what the X-men have always done, rescue mutants and teach them how to defend themselves. Reminded me of the old X-Factor days mixed with Cable's X-Force. Fuck RrrrrHate! Also Do you know how many times Xavier has faked his death? Scott thinking Xavier was not dead is not out of the realm of possibility.
The worst version of cyclops they could think was "leader of the Black Panthers", which says a lot about Marvel's morals
2 hr Video lovely stuff man. I will watch it while on my lunchtime.
Keep it up man 💯
I like bendis BUT I hate when he doesn't take in consideration of the overall canon in the marvel comic universe at the time of writing book....what carried these books is the art of bachalo and immonen
The sudden ratchet and clank music caught me off guard,loved it
I don’t have time to watch this right now, but I can’t wait. I love Bendis’ X-Men. At least the first several volumes of each book. It kinda fizzles out, but the early stuff is so good I don’t even care.
That's why you said it's good, because you don't care. You're a casual bro
@@stellviahohenheimstellar math, stella
I actually disagree with the general statement made by this video. The character I actually care about on that team was actually written very well by Bendis. He understood the assignment when it came to Magik. After Fenris leaves the book the next few people that have her character just reuse the same Chris Claremont story beats until I'm sick of seeing them. He understood that her main story arc had been completed before she became a mainstay on the main X-Men team and took steps to push her story forward. And he was the last writer to do this. We got Extraordinary X-Men after that which was a Storm and Illyana book and the writer and artist didn't even understand how her powers worked. And of course they just reused the same tired storyline with Magik, regressing her to just another in a long line of people challenging her to the throne of Limbo. Fenris at least understood that you have to start using people who occupy the same space as her like Dormammu as a ruler of a different hell dimension. Even though she has gotten a lot of use in the last decade it never serves to move her core story forward. Even currently, you have Magneto, Cyclops, and Magik on yet another team together, but they seem to have reset the Magneto and Cyclops relationship and Magik is basically the one who does things while Scott and Erik get into philosophical debates. We dealt with this in Bendis' run. Illyana is even the one to make the declaration of mutant supremacy while making Dormammu curl up in the fetal position.
I will say this comic run was confusing but one moment I do like is when Gold Balls contemplates quitting and Cyclops tells him to just be a good person and that is enough to be a hero.
I just wish he started a new title starring Tempus, Triage, Morph, Goldballs, and Hijack trying to survive on their own in a post AvX world. Let him play with his own toys and keep him away from the big players
Bendis run made me quit reading x-men all together. I know Krakoa is a masterpiece. But it’s really hard to get back on the horse after that crap shoot of a run
I’m not going to say Bendis is a favorite writer of mine, but I absolutely loved his uncanny and all new X-men runs. I liked the harsher methods that this X-men team took. The ends justified the means at this point. I also liked seeing the younger X-men stuck in the future. Seeing their reaction to how far they had fallen and the things they did in the future was cool to see. I just hate how they had to go back to their own timeline. I swear at some point, it was established that these past X-men were locked out of their own time because it was an alternate universe or something like that.
You aren't alone mate. With the exception of his Iceman flop his run was brilliant.
His Civil War II and Superman on the other hand 😬😬😬
It was a fantastic video. Honestly, the fact that nobody talks about it is what made your vid all the more special. I read it a few years back, and was really disappointed by it. I mostly liked the art and redesigns, but the story really was pointless, I didn't feel like it had a single great memorable story. It was vindicating hearing another persons perspective on it, even if it was a bit different from my own, at least I finally got something out of having read it 😅
I may be alone in this but I am more than willing to die on this hill - if you want a character that is ‘different’ then CREATE A COOL NEW CHARACTER, not take well known and established characters and force them to fit your new mold. Bobby has a history of like sixty years of being attracted to women and now they expect people to respect that he’s supposedly been closeted for all of these years? C’mon. If you want a character who is LGBT, Jewish, Muslim, Hindi, Buddhist, Christian, Far-Left, Far-Right, whatever - doesn’t really matter - then just make a cool character instead of forcing long established characters to fit your new version of them. If you make a character who is cool enough then people will appreciate that far more than dragging Iceman, a known womanizer, into the LGBT community.
While I haven’t bought any comics in like two decades I do know that there’s now a Muslim X-Man/X-Force-X-Whatever who iirc is named Dust (?). While I know virtually nothing about her I have heard that she has been a fairly successful character - not A-Tier like Wolverine of course but not E-Tier - which is proof that you can create brand new characters that appeal to a certain demographic within the comic book fandom.
Bobby Drake is hetero, sorry. He always has been and always will be. Go make a new character that you want to be LGBT and if you make that character awesome then people will like the character.
Dark Beast isn't a new version. He's actually been a hell of a villain in his own right for a long while.
Only defense this run needs is the fact that I enjoyed the hell out of it. And love it or hate it, lots of aspects of this run persist.
Really enjoyable video, well done. Subscribed, and looking forward to more.
Thank you for the kind words, took ages to do this one so I'm glad it's being enjoyed 😇 always more videos in the works as well 🐶
The Uncanny Cyclops teams vs the Wolverine team was well…kinda painful.
And then came Kratoa.
I really like the alternate reading of the scene of Iceman's gay reveal: Jean Grey's sinister technique to psychically make you gay is way funnier and somehow makes more sense than Iceman being in the closet retcon.
Bendis suits were the reason why I started reading
Now do one for the Avengers.
People will study how much he misunderstood what Sentry appeal was and the character is still recovering with a strange fanbase all thanks to his complete fumble of it.
There's no defending MOST X-Men comics so no surprise there
39:34
Reporter: "Well... if you don't want to be called "mutant," what should we call you?"
Havik: "How about Alex?"
That was such a stupidly simple line, and yet at the same time, it was powerful. I have to admit, Bendis has his moments.
That was actually from Rick Remender from his Uncanny Avengers run and Be did was actually bitching about it
@@apocalypseforever8434 The first and only time I try to give Bendis a benefit of the doubt and it wasn't even him. Nevermind, he's a hack.
It was my first X-Men comic, so I liked it... 👉👈
Excited for this one
Ooh awesome
Hope it was worth the wait mate, thank you for the support! 💪
@@MaddoggComics your welcome :)
@@MaddoggComics always worth it
I actually recommend the Rucka Cyclops. I picked it up just cause I was following X-men at the time but it’s a really good father and son sorry and helped show Cyclops developing more and adding some more skills (I know it’s more Nightcrawlers thing and he doesn’t need but I like a sword wielding swashbuckling Cyclops)
Comics during the 2000's were always one of two things with no outliers or inbetweens
You'd either get
A. A really well written interesting and thought out look at the character and his history written by people who clearly love the series
B. A fanfic written by the Postal Dude
@@Pearlem true but a lot of the writers and people behind it were involved in the 2000's era
i think cyclops is at his best when with emma
The time this run of X-Men was happening was the only time I was buying comics month to month, and the first time I'd really gotten into comics. I was reading a lot of series but I remember the X-Men really felt all over the place and like every story was just going nowhere. There were a lot of things I liked about this run, but month to month it especially feels weird to read
I’ll be that guy, I genuinely enjoyed this series. Is it definitive? No. Is it the best series of all time? Probably not. But I had fun reading the series and found the work to be interesting and reflective of the time it came out.
2 hour X-men video is wild
Brian Michael Bendisa is anti-marvel writer of all time!
There is no defending Bendis' entire career
Stuart's art in this run was incredibly extra ordinary.
This whole run just annoys me second hand.
“Cyclops killed Charles Xavier?”
Same people: Yes.
X-idiots: “hE wAsNt iN cOnTrOl oF hImSeLf1!”
Then we have Jean outting Iceman and this effecting the mainstream one.
I really hate that he made Iceman gay for no reason and the way he did it was horrible
why does there need to be a reason for a character to be gay? does the character need a reason to be straight?
@DunYappin The issue isn't that there needs to be a reason he wasn't gay to begin with and they made him that way and that's all his stories are about now. You wouldn't be upset if they took a gay, pan, tran character and made them straight.
Dude was always gay coded. Sure he tried to get with woman like Opal Tanaka but it never stuck. Dude friendzoned Rogue when she was on the rebound. C'mon!
@Fenris30 SO wait not getting with some women makes you gay coded wtf lol 😆 😂 🤣
@@Nexion3653 According to my brother, Yeah!
Bendis run was terrible, everything he did to Iceman was AWFUL. The time travel of the young OG team was stupid, the Ape Beast third mutation was bad and all anyone wanted was him back in OG form instead of the cat look (Only John Cassaday ever made cat beast look good). Cyke going full supervillain and all of the stupid Xmen/Inhumans stuff is stupid. It feels more like X-Men than Hickmans absolute garbage hippy racism island bullshit but it was not a good run. Bendis run was way too obsessed with time travel shenanigans too, not only the young ones but that battle of the atom future bad guys too.
after the 2000s i could only dip my toe back into the X-Men every once in a while to see if i would like anything i see, never did. thank the x gene for X-Men 97.
Just had another think about this and 1) Absolutely awesome covers 2) Cyclops new costume was awesome 3) nowhere near as bad as most xmen titles from the early 2000's 3) the awful inhumans story line wasnt bendis was it?
I really enjoyed it when it was coming out :)
When it comes to magneto being Scott’s second. You should read what came a bit before. He had been Scott’s second for a good amount of time. He wasn’t even second for most of that time either. He was under both Wolverine and Emma.
Fair point, i was just tryna judge this run as it comes, but regardless of when it started, that dynamic still feels... Uncanny to me haha. I may do some more X-Men reviews in the future, bit of a casual to that side of Marvel. Hope you enjoyed the video!
The idea of the young X-Men being in the present was not terrible. Having Scott and Warren see their future selves is an interesting idea. But it went on for too damn long. After Secret Wars, they should’ve been back in the past. Or at the end of Bendis’s run, he put them back in the past. What happened after Secret Wars is not on Bendis, even if his run was meh overall. But when Marvel relaunched post Secret Wars, they set up that Cyclops was dead but the young X-Men were still around. By the end of X-Men Blue, I was so tired of them. Same goes for Old Man Logan. His solo series was fun, especially when he fought Maestro, but I was more than a little happy when I learned about Dead Man Logan. No one believed that Wolverine and Cyclops were dead permanently but it would have been interesting to explore the X-Men without them or Jean. But young Jean was still there. Maybe I’m rambling and not making any sense.
I will say, before Bendis’s run I was not a fan of Magik and after reading Uncanny X-Men, she’s probably my favorite female X-Men character in competition with Rogue.
Still better than any of Garth Ennis's Marvel work.
Punisher Maxx??? ...Ennis is anti industry..but Maxx is top tier
@joshsmith9572 It's absolutely awesome that you enjoyed it. I just couldn't get behind his writing, paired with the art style (forgive me, I forgot their name). It's worse with The Boys, but it's the beginning here. Dude can't help his selective hate boner for superheroes while making a superhero comic.
Bendis really his the guy you hire when you need to do some major character assassination, huh?
The one thing that this run had was terrorist Cyclops, that was a really cool direction to take his character it's just a shame it fell apart the way it did.
How come the past versions were teens in their 60s when the present versions look like young adults or early middle aged in the 2010s instead of being in their late 60s? Also aside from the sentinals, anti-mutant racism hadn't become a thing until the 80s so how would the 60s crew even be familiar with that?
Marvel is on a sliding timeline scale so even though the comics were originally set in the 60s it moves up with modern times so they were from 1999/2000 at the time
Lore of There's no defending Bendis's X-Men momentum 100
speaking as a massive Laura kinney fan thats go to the effect of collecting a great deal of her histoty and titals that feature her even those that dont make sense for her charater or shes barely a foot note in (looking at you IVX) her joining the time displaced young xmen, dosnt really make a lot of sense or fighting against her father. sure they've not always seen eye to eye.
but i can only think of one or two times they come to blows. once when she was sucidal and the other time when logan was possesed by a demon
the last thing Laura was in before this was avangers academy. honestly decent series and it was something new for Laura to do when she joined in the later half of its life span. and i wish it would have gone longer, i maintaime a deep desire for Laura to get out of the black hole of missry the xmen have been stuck in for the last 20 years. Eseaplisy after/ during Karoka
if you tilt your head, you could maybe say that Laura would have being annoyed at her dad for using her a the token xmen in the avangers school, and that combined with her 180 charater shift that bendis created could maybe explain it but. i doubt even mr fantasic could strech that far
as for the Laura and scout 'moment' i cant say its much more than that becouse it lasts like all of two issues and they never even have anything aproching a rommaniic moment if you dont count the 'click bait' issue art as young scout gos of to hang out with the star jammers and Laura hooks up with warran soon after.
i will say while i never shipped young scout and Laura, a romance or friendship could have being intresting as when Laura first joined the xmen, scout did go to bat for Laura. if his past self remembered her her furutre self. he would have had for kowlage of who shed become.
ironicly if i recall correctly when the time displaced young xmen did finnaly go back to the past, its revealed that scout is the only one that remembers as parently. adult scout had being playing dead since IVX
but onto my thoughts on the time displaced young xmen, they outstayed their welcome if they ever had any. i know likly they were only brought in to the books to tie into the 'foxx' first class continuity that was just started to focus on jean, beast, scout and others at the time
but i have always felt they were a mistake. the 2010s should have ether being focused on reintroducing 'new xmen team' that got shafted in the mutant messiah arc or created a new team, or anything else. one of the xmens biggest issue is they only seeminly care bout the orgional 5, giant sezed and sometimes new mutants
54 minutes in and i have no idea whats happening 😃
bendis' x-men for you, folks!