There's no defending Bendis's X-Men

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  • Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024

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  • @MaddoggComics
    @MaddoggComics  День назад +22

    *Look, this is a long ass video, I probably pronounced or confused a thing or two, it happens... but there's no way I'm remaking this video*
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    • @willsherman4044
      @willsherman4044 22 часа назад +3

      Thanks for posting this video on my birthday! After your venom video can you start with where to start ant man and the wasp video? Those 2 are the next marvel characters I’m curious about looking into

    • @MaddoggComics
      @MaddoggComics  16 часов назад +3

      @@willsherman4044 Happy Birthday mate! I've got them on the list, so can hopefully get round to doing them soon :)

    • @willsherman4044
      @willsherman4044 14 часов назад

      @@MaddoggComics thank you!

    • @coyley72
      @coyley72 13 часов назад +2

      Thanks Marcus. Cracking video, mate. You done yourself proud with this one.

    • @MaddoggComics
      @MaddoggComics  3 часа назад +1

      @@coyley72 Thank you mate, it was a while in the making, so I'm glad you enjoyed it :)

  • @dominiqueodom3099
    @dominiqueodom3099 День назад +32

    Am I not alone with how badly the out of nowhere Changing of Iceman's Sexuality is? It just feels like it was made for Brownie points with the Community.
    It's the same exact reason why the changing of Aqualad to be Bisexual in Young Justice seasons 3/4 never sat right with me because I remember being a fan of this character when he was the most unknown and sole black member of the team and now he's just presented as being Bisexual yet that means he's only ever seen with dudes despite being introduced having a female love interest and theyve absolutely refused to develop his potential as the successor to Aquaman or even his abilities as a leader of young Justice before Nightwing took Over

    • @shauntempley9757
      @shauntempley9757 День назад +2

      The Aqualad thing is because DC has a huge issue with homosexuality presented as a good thing entirely, because of how old it is as company.
      Their most famous coupling is Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy, neither of which are characters that historically would be the poster for that in DC if treated them well.
      Which leads to the implication that those two being essentially villains gave them an out to not tolerate it. Which in turn in my view sabotages Harley Quinn's position as the Fourth Pillar of DC exploring mental health through a character. The original Batwoman was perfect to explore Lesbian relationships as a woman wanting to live a normal life with another woman.
      The Alan Scott Green Lantern is the biggest display of that problem with male homosexuality, because his entire existence has had that as a part of his character, that writers and editorial flatly refused to explore in a heroic framing, until New 52 Earth 2.
      Having Midnighter and Apollo gives them a way to actually properly explore it, but they will not because Midnighter is gay Batman and Apollo is gay Superman. That they will not forgive, so will not focus on books for them, except as the occasional run to show they have them, and ensure they do not go somewhere else, where someone would gallop off with them.
      Midnighter himself is in an even more precarious place, because his bigger aspect in his powers are better explored in Valiant's Ninjak, even though Midnighter came before Ninjak.

    • @JoshuaKevinPerry
      @JoshuaKevinPerry 23 часа назад +7

      I'm gay and I think Jean Grey using mind control to make Bobby gay is bad.

    • @mathewsydney8929
      @mathewsydney8929 18 часов назад

      It made for some good moments but it came across as a little performative and forced. It's much better to create new gay characters instead of retconning old ones.

    • @mathewsydney8929
      @mathewsydney8929 18 часов назад

      @@JoshuaKevinPerry LOL! It's in character though... I can totally see her as that overly-zealous 'ally' who tries to 'make' her friends gay! LOL!

    • @williamsova9313
      @williamsova9313 16 часов назад +1

      I always felt like the iceman situation was a personal beef & one-upsmanship between him and Jason aron when Jason was the head writer of xmen because prior to that iceman was dating kitty and when Jason left, he broke them up and made iceman gay

  • @mitch-TO
    @mitch-TO День назад +14

    I don’t have time to watch this right now, but I can’t wait. I love Bendis’ X-Men. At least the first several volumes of each book. It kinda fizzles out, but the early stuff is so good I don’t even care.

  • @adamquenano8563
    @adamquenano8563 День назад +57

    Reading this run is a religious experience. This is the first Comicbook run I’ve ever read where I lost faith in one of my favorite writers and damn near wanted to burn every issue I read or heard of.

    • @stephenthedude4383
      @stephenthedude4383 День назад +7

      😂 damn that bad huh?

    • @deberleoffice
      @deberleoffice День назад +2

      Not at all. They're being incredibly dramatic. ​@@stephenthedude4383

    • @amanzeihedioha
      @amanzeihedioha День назад +4

      Steady on, sir. Those guys at comicpop have thoroughly prayed for that

    • @MaddoggComics
      @MaddoggComics  16 часов назад +2

      There was definitely what felt like some eternal suffering in this run somewhere 😅 hope you enjoyed the video!

    • @adamquenano8563
      @adamquenano8563 16 часов назад

      @@MaddoggComics Bro it’s so bad that I can’t even defend Bendis on any of his runs because this run shows how lazy Bendis really is when he writers stories

  • @azlaneatalot
    @azlaneatalot День назад +24

    Bendis' run was beyond frustrating. The dialogues of the young X-Men were cringy. And he also did Iceman dirty.

    • @MaddoggComics
      @MaddoggComics  16 часов назад +1

      I still think the Hank/Jean thing was worse than the Bobby stuff, but I hope you enjoyed the video!

  • @TheSenateOfficial
    @TheSenateOfficial День назад +17

    It’s for sure not perfect. But when it hit, it really really hit.

    • @MaddoggComics
      @MaddoggComics  16 часов назад +3

      Yeah, I agree, I try always make these videos balanced and hopefully that came across 😅

    • @TheSenateOfficial
      @TheSenateOfficial 10 часов назад

      @@MaddoggComics It did indeed, always appreciate that!

  • @geoffnaggie961
    @geoffnaggie961 День назад +9

    Only defense this run needs is the fact that I enjoyed the hell out of it. And love it or hate it, lots of aspects of this run persist.

  • @Halfrican-Jones
    @Halfrican-Jones День назад +8

    Avengers vs X-Men is honestly THE event that began the decline of Marvel’s ability to progress the characters.

    • @HELLO_KORO
      @HELLO_KORO День назад +5

      More like House of M/Decimation somany characters with ongoing books got canned in that era

    • @Halfrican-Jones
      @Halfrican-Jones День назад

      @@HELLO_KORO touché

    • @bZman
      @bZman 20 часов назад

      @@HELLO_KORO I actually liked Decimation a LOT for thinning the ranks of mutants, there was some really good character work with some of the characters who lost their powers and it made the then running New Xmen Academy X take some interesting turns as well (underrated series in my opinion)

  • @MrRawnch
    @MrRawnch День назад +7

    I liked him on the Daredevil run. That's it. What him and Quesada did to the X-Men was a crime.

  • @Salamaprotects
    @Salamaprotects 20 часов назад +3

    My brother used to pick iceman on so many games when we where young. When iceman came out gay. Brother wont even give a glance after that. never heard of him mention iceman ever since .

  • @jabezcreed
    @jabezcreed День назад +7

    It's such a fun premise that just fizzles.

  • @fiaschampion3379
    @fiaschampion3379 День назад +5

    All-New X-Men #1 was my first ever proper X-Men comic after AvX. While I eventually dropped the run and I fully understand how bad it is, I have a soft spot for it due to the memories it brings me.

  • @mladenkulic446
    @mladenkulic446 День назад +4

    Kitty Pride was in space during this story. 55:32 Since Bendis also wrote Guardians of the Galaxy run, and in his run Kitty and Starlord were dating. Not to mention there was a Trial of young Jean Grey about Phoenix force.

  • @mawinstallation6626
    @mawinstallation6626 День назад +2

    The title makes it seem like a rant, but damn this video actually sold me on. I want to read the Bendis X-Men now...great work Marcus.amazing video.
    Edit: Wow, Beast is a creep.

  • @shenal1369
    @shenal1369 День назад +2

    NOW THIS IS CONTENT. Hope this breaks through the algorithm, fantastic video mate.

  • @KotoCrash
    @KotoCrash День назад +5

    The man simply did not give a shit

  • @SHLVideos
    @SHLVideos 22 часа назад +2

    Something that drives me insane about this story, or time-travel stories in the Marvel/DC Universes in general, is that it highlights how broken "time" is in these comics. How old is Scott? What year did his past self come from? What year was he born? Marvel can't really answer ANY of these questions, and it makes it all very difficult to digest for me.
    If he was 16 in 1963 when X-Men #1 came out, then he was born in 1947, so in 2024 he'd be 77. How do I work with this? What kind of culture did he grow up with? What movies did he love as a child? What music was he into in his 20's? These would be important facts to know if you wanted to understand my character, and those facts are kind of impossible to explore in modern Big-2 comics.
    Personally, I will always think MARVEL is a weaker product than we would've gotten if Marvel had acted as a traditional publisher and allowed storytellers to own their creations rather than operating within a shared publisher's universe, but that's such an alternate reality that it's hard to sell to folks in this one.

  • @kaineshigaraki5253
    @kaineshigaraki5253 День назад +4

    Bendis gives zero fucks about reading or researching for established characters. He does best when he has no cannon to follow. His Spider-Man series is widely popular because he riffs and adapts all the greatest Spider-Man stories ever made.

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka День назад +7

    I was never a fan of bendis x-men run it was so bad and frankly such a mess of a storyline that made no sense whatsoever in my opinion, and just proves my point more and more that Bendis really should’ve just focus on ultimate Spider-Man and not write x-men or any main stream marvel characters in my opinion. Also the second he got to dc he also ruined my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy and instead of undoing the damage he just left with my boy Jon Kent superboy and nobody wants to undo that mess in my opinion.

  • @Wudan444
    @Wudan444 День назад +2

    2 hr Video lovely stuff man. I will watch it while on my lunchtime.
    Keep it up man 💯

  • @indiecomicscorner
    @indiecomicscorner 23 часа назад

    Hot damn, Marcus! Nobody is doing this long form content anywhere near as good as you. Can't believe the effort that's gone into this I'm sure. Absolutely amazing work, and I can't wait to see what your next one is. Keep up the great work, mate!

  • @DrLynch2009
    @DrLynch2009 11 часов назад

    And just wait until you read his abismal run on Superman. He managed to sink that book line to an historical 75% drop in sales.

  • @jmace2424
    @jmace2424 День назад +9

    There’s no defending Bendis. Period 😄

    • @bZman
      @bZman 20 часов назад +1

      He really dropped off as a writer post Ultimate Spiderman.

    • @MaddoggComics
      @MaddoggComics  16 часов назад +2

      I'll still always back most of his pre-2010 era work, but yeah... this one was tough 😅 hope you enjoyed the video!

  • @redveinborneo4673
    @redveinborneo4673 21 час назад

    Magneto was below cyclops on the pecking order for a while before this story happened. After schism, magneto ends up with cyclops' squad and remains there through avengers vs x men. It would've been weirder for half the x men to follow cyclops during and after the schism just to turn and follow magneto instead immediately after.

  • @Patrick-wl6pw
    @Patrick-wl6pw 19 часов назад

    I agree never run Brian low

  • @TheEndlessEgoist
    @TheEndlessEgoist День назад

    2 hour X-men video is wild

  • @mathewsydney8929
    @mathewsydney8929 18 часов назад

    I thought this period was really good. I enjoyed the stories. I enjoyed the time-displaced X-Men. For me, this was a MUCH better run that Krakoa-era (which, personally, I hope they completely retcon so that it either never happened or happened in an alt timeline.... just my opinion)

  • @yeez13
    @yeez13 12 часов назад

    I feel like Bendis’s run got worse over time due to how he most likely wrote it knowing that Jonathan Hickman was culminating everything into Secret Wars (2015) and at the time he was conceiving this, Marvel Editorial (Axel Alonso & Tom Brevoort) was seriously entertaining the notion that they were going to do a full-on Reboot of Marvel Comics continuity AFTER Secret Wars wrapped up.
    Then it didn’t happen and Bendis, and by extension Marvel, were stuck with the controversial changes (Iceman) and baffling story decisions (O5 X-Men in the then-Present Day) made during this specific run. This is probably why they eventually allowed Hickman to write the X-Men nearly half a decade later…to make sense of a lot of the changes made by Bendis, Lemire, Ike Perlmutter’s insistence on replacing the X-Men w/ Inhumans, etc.
    It was incredible to see how Hickman took a joke character like Goldballs and made him one of the most important Mutants in existence in one page amongst other things…and it probably wouldn’t have been possible had huge mistakes like Bendis’s X-Men Run never happened 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @TheComicBookReport
    @TheComicBookReport День назад +3

    Excited for this one

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka День назад +1

      Ooh awesome

    • @MaddoggComics
      @MaddoggComics  16 часов назад +1

      Hope it was worth the wait mate, thank you for the support! 💪

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 16 часов назад

      @@MaddoggComics your welcome :)

    • @TheComicBookReport
      @TheComicBookReport 16 часов назад

      @@MaddoggComics always worth it

  • @FranciscoRojasArteaga-h4u
    @FranciscoRojasArteaga-h4u День назад

    38:20 yeah that part was retcon in Children´s Crusade putting the blame of Wanda´s action during Dissasembled and House of M with her being manipulated by Doctor Doom, and at that point all the Avengers that died during Dissasembled were alive again so I guess everybody thinks she is no longer guilty of anything.

  • @superman4931155
    @superman4931155 15 часов назад

    Not a fan of Bendis run on X-men at all. He either didn't understand the characters or didn't give a shit. That said, great video bro💪🏻 You should do more of these in-depth videos on other writers X-men runs. I'll watch every one of them💯

  • @JustJohnny12
    @JustJohnny12 3 часа назад +1

    I hit subscribe to encourage doing a video for the 2012 TMNT series!

    • @MaddoggComics
      @MaddoggComics  2 часа назад +1

      Say no more, it's in the works 😅 just finished season 1 and remembered how much I enjoyed the show :) thanks for the support! 🐶

  • @bZman
    @bZman 20 часов назад +1

    Bendis run was terrible, everything he did to Iceman was AWFUL. The time travel of the young OG team was stupid, the Ape Beast third mutation was bad and all anyone wanted was him back in OG form instead of the cat look (Only John Cassaday ever made cat beast look good). Cyke going full supervillain and all of the stupid Xmen/Inhumans stuff is stupid. It feels more like X-Men than Hickmans absolute garbage hippy racism island bullshit but it was not a good run. Bendis run was way too obsessed with time travel shenanigans too, not only the young ones but that battle of the atom future bad guys too.

  • @stephentheshywarrior2759
    @stephentheshywarrior2759 День назад

    While it has some issues I have some fond memories from this era starting with AVX and then onto Bendis run. I like the ideas Bendis Brought forward eg the 5 OG into the present, the whole Black Vortex and Scott actually became evil . It showed a different side to a character I've personally always liked. Even with the controversy, I still like Bendis, Although it isn't no Ultimate Spider-Man..😄
    I did fall out of finishing the run. So cannot say for sure this'll still be my opinion if I did finish. Which going by these comments. Might've been a good thing.😂

    • @MaddoggComics
      @MaddoggComics  16 часов назад +1

      Haha well hopefully the video clued you in on what you missed :) I agree with there being some good moments, but we may have to agree to disagree when it comes to Black Vortex 😅 hope you enjoyed the video mate!

  • @CoolGuy-mf9px
    @CoolGuy-mf9px День назад

    This is gonna be fucking awesome

  • @outremer84
    @outremer84 День назад

    What's so bad about it? Looking forward to getting this as an omnibus

  • @LEX-456
    @LEX-456 День назад

    I like bendis BUT I hate when he doesn't take in consideration of the overall canon in the marvel comic universe at the time of writing book....what carried these books is the art of bachalo and immonen

  • @UltimateSpider1385
    @UltimateSpider1385 День назад +2

    I'm going to be clear on this. Bendis's run on X-Men is a great run but it had some flaws and some great things. His biggest flaw was bringing the original X-Men to the present which brought issues for comic readers. Not to mention the love triangle of Jean, Hank, and Scott. The best parts about this run, is how it crosses over with Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers, Original Sin, and how Charles kept a secret from the X-Men of why Matthew Malloy is a powerful mutant.
    Battle of the Atom and the trial of Jean Grey are great story arcs in Bendis's run. Inhumanity, however is tempting.
    What I'm puzzled about is if it's possible for Matthew Malloy to return after the events of Secret Wars 2015 as a reincarnation.

  • @warrenweaver6664
    @warrenweaver6664 День назад +6

    I actually loved Bendis run it was different

    • @mawinstallation6626
      @mawinstallation6626 День назад +1

      You are a strange individual.

    • @DrakonR
      @DrakonR День назад +2

      Nobody is buying your trolling.

    • @MaddoggComics
      @MaddoggComics  16 часов назад

      Each to their own, there were some good moments in it, hopefully this video didn't say that enjoyment!

  • @warlion_2nas163
    @warlion_2nas163 День назад

    There is one defense to it and that’s everything that came after it with the exception of HoxPox & what else Hickman wrote for X-men sucked worse than Bendis’ era

  • @oneofgodschildren8361
    @oneofgodschildren8361 22 часа назад +2

    Was it him who turned Iceman into a homosexual that was some sick shit now I don't like this character anymore

  • @spiderhamilton1
    @spiderhamilton1 14 часов назад

    This was a perfect dumpster fire blend of garbage and trash. Not the video, the Bendis run. I haven't even finished the video yet, good so far tho.
    Marvel was fully in its "Let's downplay (ruin) all characters for who we don't own all media and merchandising rights!" mode. And Bendis was is his "I'm mad I'm missing out on the big pay day with the Super popular character I created becoming a multimedia phenomenon, like other superstar talent" phase. This era of X-Men showed how much Marvel didn't care about the fans or the characters. And it exposed Bendis for his limited talent and skill at aping better writers style, Giffen and DeMatteis mostly for the dialogue, and Moore, Wolfman, Englehart and other DC writers for story. This run is basically Claremont's Days of Future Past drawn out in the most Dan Jurgens way, with Giffen's pithy banter.
    He's a well-liked hack writer but the well of remixed ideas of others had run dry and it was proven when he went to DC and crapped the bed and changed and ruined so much DC just ignores it happened except for the aging up of Jon Kent which can't be credibly retconned or brushed away. All titles and new characters created by Bendis have been regulated to the trashpin of comic limbo...where they belong

  • @crashline
    @crashline День назад

    Jesus. This is a biggun.

  • @Russell-e7j
    @Russell-e7j День назад +1

    I love brian michael bendis and this is really not it

  • @sahdirellis4901
    @sahdirellis4901 День назад +2

    Don't ever discuss art again bc Immonen's work on All New X-Men, All New Captain Americ and Amazing Spider-Man SHIT on his run of ultimate spidey. Just stick with discussing stories.

    • @stephentheshywarrior2759
      @stephentheshywarrior2759 День назад

      Immonen's art is not Sh*t on ASM. It is so fantastic with the incredible amount of detail, and heightens even more with a great colourist.
      You have personally offended the Shy warrior with your blasphemy.😂

    • @sahdirellis4901
      @sahdirellis4901 День назад

      @@stephentheshywarrior2759 brah, you just agreed with me. I said his work on Amazing Spider-Man along with the other titles I mentioned shits on ULTIMATE Spidey. You clearly no comprende!

    • @sahdirellis4901
      @sahdirellis4901 День назад

      @@stephentheshywarrior2759 learn to read

    • @stephentheshywarrior2759
      @stephentheshywarrior2759 День назад

      Oh😂 I did write that comment at 12 am, must.have misread so I'll apologise for that. I think Immonens work is stillstrong on Ultimate too, maybe not quite up to Bagley's. Immonen Ultimate run was earlier on in their career, so obviously there style would improve for ASM.

  • @jmace2424
    @jmace2424 День назад +1

    😮 can you imagine DC getting the X-Men? That would be amazing! 🤩

    • @MaddoggComics
      @MaddoggComics  16 часов назад

      Imagine the X-Men in the Injustice Universe! 😍