The Camino and God - Not Discussed Much and Why
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- Don't panic! This video is not about preaching anything or telling you how to walk your Camino. Someone on the channel recently highlighted that we seem to forget sometimes, that the Camino de Santiago is a religious Pilgrimage route.
So why should we talk about this, even if we are not 'Religious'??
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0:00 Intro
2:03 My Position on This
5:19 It’s A Christian Pilgrimage Route
6:53 Pilgrim’s Office Questions
7:58 Personal Impact
19:09 Fake It and See What Happens
25:47 Summary
27:35 Outro
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I am planning my first Camino and I have the sense that I will be walking in a cloud of the collected prayers said by millions of pilgrims over 1000 years
Amen 🙏🏻
I think you'll feel that Georgia! Particularly at those times you are alone amongst those big open landscapes. The Meseta is great for that feeling. There's less distraction maybe? 🙂
Thank you, Rob. According to Christian thought the Bible is the first revelation of who God is and the second revelation is nature which was created by Him. I also felt very near to God walking the Camino, especially when in nature. As you say, something happens to you on the way. May God bless you. John
That's a very beautiful image. I'm sure you're right. What an amazing experience.
That's beautiful!
Rob--Thank you for this very personal episode. I am an atheist, but I really appreciate your describing for us the religious/spiritual context of the Camino. It is such an important facet of understanding this route and its impact on so many people.
Thanks Peter. I think whatever we believe in or don't believe in, walking the Camino has a special magic. It's for us each to decide if and what meaning it can bring to us..... 🙄
This is GOLD Rob. Rhank you for your boldness and courage to mention GOD in the Camino and in thus secular world. It's wonderful to hear that you're feeling Our Lord 🙏 speaking to your heart Rob. Please stay disposed to his manifestations in your life and beyond the Camino. The Rosary is a way to meditate over the whole life of Jesus through his mother. When people ask " Why are you a Christian?", we answer " We'd be crazy not to".
I'll be praying for the Holy Spirit to enlighten you my friend. 🙏
Being spiritual is not that different from being religious. It's a start to acknowledging God, the Creator of the Unuverse.
Good on you Rob and thank you for your advice and great videos. 👍
Thanks for the feedback Dom. Much appreciated.
"Bold" to mention God on the Camino?
What?
You don’t choose God; God chooses you. Thank you for your video.
Maybe. Who knows? Only God. 😉
Thanks for this, Rob. I am a 73-year-old Christ-follower (not Catholic). If God gives me good health until September 2024 I plan to do my first Camino. My goal will be to practice the presence of God and to have spiritual/religious conversations with fellow pilgrims. Your videos are very helpful!
Best Wishes for 2024. Buen Camino 🙂
God indeed works in mysterious ways. For about two weeks I've had the thought I'd like to travel somewhere, which I haven't done in a very long time. And I've been pondering where on earth I'd like to go. Then just two days ago a video came along on my feed, of the Camino ... and that got me eventually to this one, of yours. It's exactly what I'm looking for. "Francis" walk it is!
Vaya con dios. Buen Camino 🙂
Another great video. I’m a Christian Catholic. I enjoy Mass so I go when I can. Do I carry a rosary? Always. I think what you said towards the end was right on. Go with an open heart and mind. Listen to the sounds around you. Also never criticize or judge another person’s beliefs. No matter why you go, the Camino is a wonderful journey. Enjoy it.
Yes, I think that's it. Just be accepting of what you find a long the way.
Agreed. And it's for everyone
Wonderful! I'm a tree-hugger too so here's to hugging trees along the Camino!
Lots of wonderful trees to hug! This is my favourite Tree along the Camino Frances. Pat enjoyed meeting him: ruclips.net/video/2sV7eOGfePc/видео.html
Wonderful video, Rob. I am catholic and I am going on my first Camino just to be on an adventure with family. But, your video reminded me of what St Augustin said in his search for God: “our hearts are restless until they rest in You”.
You may find more than just an 'adventure with your family'. Buen Camino. 🙂
This video has meant the most to me, as I prepare for my first Camino in Sept. 2023. And no, you do not digress too much. Keep doing it!
Glad it made sense......
I love this video Rob! It gave me chills. You’re more religious and spiritual than you think. 😊
Thanks for putting up with my rambling Joan. 😳
"The Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures. He leadeth me beside still waters. He restoreth my soul". Apokatastasis 🌿All will be well.
Hi, I hug trees all the time. God created our world, the signs are everywhere. People like it when you hug trees. In Australia the trees have deep spiritual meaning. Great topic, feels so right to talk about prayers on the Camino.
Trees are made to be hugged 🙂
wonderful vlog,exactly how i intend to walk my first Camino,with an open mind and an acceptance to welcome new experiences
For me that's the key. Just be open to whatever or whoever happens.
I am glad to have found this video Rob...Thank you! To your comment about Pat appearing to be a devout Catholic while on the Camino, I would say she has a deeper understanding of the universality of spirituality than many of us.
There are several excellent books comparing & showing numerous similarities in the teachings of Buddha, Jesus, Lao Tzu, & even Krishna. One, for example, is Living Buddha, Living Christ by Thich Nhat Hanh. My interpretation from studying is that humanity has long understood there exists a fundamental spiritual nature within each of us. Organized religions have capitalized on that.
These philosophers clearly felt, understood (enlightenment?), & similarly articulated their interpretation based on humanity's inherent sprirituality. Thus, my Camino's goal is to simply follow your advice to be open to spiritual moments, whether in admiring the incredible works of nature or meditating either in solitude or a communal gathering surrounded by aged & beautiful church architecture.
Interesting. I call myself 'Spritual' because I don't follow any 'forma' religion...... But particularly on Camino. I talk to God a lot! 🙂
I can’t wait to experience my first Camino as a cradle Catholic that now has a greater knowledge and love of the Traditional Latin Mass. It’s going to be a challenging Lent spiritually preparing and physically preparing for it in the winter. I look forward to offering a rosary towards your spiritual journey.
Buen Camino Nicole 🙂
I grew up with the Latin Mass. The great thing about it was that wherever you went, you could understand the liturgy.
Human beings evolved to develop great skills to be able to recognise and spot patterns - it is how we found prey animals and how we avoided predators.
That pattern spotting extended into developing religions and spiritual beliefs to explain things that we didn't understand - at the time.
Hence the early spiritual beliefs based around sun worship, the passing of the seasons and important things like the growth of crops and birth and death.
This even extended into the pseudo-scientific explanations of the early observations of the planet Mars where the human eye "saw" collections of craters and organised them into a system of canals and invented a Martian civilisation.
As a fellow human, I am in awe of the tremendous achievements of ancient people, often in the name of various religions.
I can appreciate that other humans have constructed their own understanding of the world based on their experiences - but it isn't for me.
I can't hold a tune, and can't speak more than a little Spanish, but it doesn't stop me from appreciating fantastic music and a brilliant country.
If it wasn't for ancient religions we wouldn't have wonderful things like churches, cathedrals, roadside crosses and the Caminos.
So thank you for your religious beliefs ancient and modern, I just admire them from afar.
A great perspective Steve.
I like the quote from Mahatma Gandhi: "God has no religion." I plan to have my camino in May. I will go on my own. And I like your advice: Keep an open mind to stuffs. Thank you, Rob.
LOL. I totally get that. I don't follow any formal religion. But I don't think God minds.......
Lost the plot, never! A few cards short of a full deck, possibly!😂 just kidding Rob, another great video….I feel as you do that though everyone walks for different reasons, one common desire I found in my fellow pilgrims was the seeking of that intangible something….Pilgrims are seekers, be that religious, spiritual, peace of mind, wisdom, or simply the company of like minded wayfarers….I found my spiritual insights in the really wonderful and sometimes rather profound and always unforgettable conversations with others along the way……
Indeed, we are seekers of some type I think........
Oh gosh, I have so many thoughts about this. (Sorry for the length!)
I think I mentioned this in a previous comment, but: I'm Episcopalian (the American branch of the Anglican church), and I totally understand what you mean about...well, basically everything lol. I do enjoy formal religion, because I like ritual and liturgy, and find the fellowship of other Christians to be an important part of my faith. But I also get why other people don't see the appeal.
When I first started reading up on the Camino a year and change ago, I joked to friends that "it's a long walk about Jesus. The amount of Jesus is optional, but if Jesus makes you uncomfortable it might not be for you."
I do plan to stop in every church possible, including attending pilgrims' masses. I'm going to ask my friends/family if any of them want me to specifically pray for them, and I'm going to write down the list (and/or put it in my phone), so that I can pray for them whenever I feel moved to pray. (If I don't make a list, I *will* forget someone and feel terrible!)
The feeling you describe in churches and Buddhist temples and beautiful scenery: it's called "the numinous." As in, "this place feels numinous," or "walking the Camino was an experience with the numinous." It's one of my favorite feelings, which is part of why I'm drawn to the Camino!
I love that you brought a rosary, and laughed because I'm planning to bring one, too. I have a small pamphlet on how to properly pray it. Who knows how often I'll do it, though.
Re: expectations: I think I mentioned this in the comment to another video, but yeah; I'm trying to let go of any expectations. Maybe I'll have an incredibly spiritual experience. Maybe I'll just have a long walk in pretty scenery and meet some new people. "Open heart, open mind" isn't a bad idea for a prayer on its own.
Re: energies of the people who've walked that way before you: Yeah, this is actually part of what's drawn me to do it. I think the sheer number of people who've done it before me give the walk a holiness on its own. (A numinousness, you could even say.) One of the ironies of the whole thing is that, to put it politely, the chances of St. James the Apostle's body actually being at Santiago are just ...not high. (Thought honestly it's not that much more outlandish than anything in the Gospels.) But I just don't think it matters anymore. So many people have sincerely made pilgrimage to that spot to honor St. James, that he might as well be buried there. It's *become* a place sacred to St. James, whether his body is there or not.
Re: the rule on the Camino forum of No Religion Talk: I had the same reaction you did, lol. "What?! ...wait, I guess it makes sense." Considering the heat with which people argue about such things as blister prevention, I'd hate to see them actually argue about religion!
You and your wife sound lovely, if we ever end up in the same place at the same time it would be great to just talk. (If you see an American woman with purple hair out there...might be me.)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'll look out for the purple hair! 🙂
Thank you for sharing this perspective. It’s so important for me to hear this. I’m feeling called to walk the Camino. I have no idea what will be the outcome of this call. But your sharing really speaks to what feels like what I’m guided to experience! Thank you! 🙏
Wishing you a wonderful Camino. 🙂
Thank you, Rob, for being so genuine and vulnerable in your sharing. It is indeed a topic much less discussed... although one way or another we are all seekers on the Camino... i am planning my first one and listen to your accounts with great interest. Thanks.
Thanks. Glad you find the videos useful.
Super post as always Rob. I have never heard of a pilgrim being disappointed with the Camino, but I do know some treckers/hikers who found it boring (one who gave up after a few days and flew home). For me that sense of not being "alone" was the spur I personally NEEDED every single day to put one foot in front of the other. As a Roman Catholic I did go to Pilgrim Masses when available (but again with so little of the language I didn't understand any of it) mainly to get that beautiful blessing at the end. It's not to say you HAVE to do it, but I KNEW this was never about the walking, or whether the bones really are of St James. Quite time in your head...you can't beat it to get closer to the universe. And I fully agree...the WAY of "God" (much like the Camino) has MANY paths...some may prefer one over the other.
Thanks Gerry.
You are not a fruitcake!
Beeing a Christian is not about religion, its about relation ❤️
I don't confess to really knowing WHAT it's about. 😉
I’ve watched many of your videos as I’m planning my first camino next year aged 61-2. I’m a bit obsessed with it mainly as I have no money and have to find a way to do it by April. I’m a die hard atheist for many reasons that I can’t go into here, but this video made a lot of sense to me. I’ve been doing a lot of walking at home in training and am very lucky to live in a beautiful part of the world. When I’m out walking it’s the peace and tranquillity, the views and wonder at the world that gets me. It’s almost the only way in this world to gain any peace why I want and need to do the camino. To have the time to contemplate, in whatever way that is,or whatever it turns out to be.
By the way, you talk about being a nut job, I couldn’t think of anything further from the truth. Your videos are not only informative but sensitive as well. Thank you for all you do. Cheers
I'm glad it made sense Dittany. The Camino is certainly where I find peace. Hey, start a GoFundMe page or something. I'll be the first to contribute 🙂 I think you need to get there............
@@robscamino awww that’s really sweet of you. Someone has suggested crowd funding and it may yet come to that but I’m really reluctant to do it, I’d rather find a way myself if possible, I’ll let you know! I’m hoping to get there by the middle of April next year, so fingers crossed. Keep up the fantastic videos. Cheers
@@dittanymorgan7039 Middle of April huh? Who knows, we might meet up for a Pilgrim's dinner!
@@robscamino that would be brilliant
@@dittanymorgan7039 Have you joined Ivar's Forum? You can use private messages there and let me know what route and dates you are walking. (user name Robo) www.caminodesantiago.me/community/forums/-/list
No Rob you're not nuts, walking the camino with an open mind and an open heart is the only way to enjoy it, if you close yourself off to these experiences in my opinion you're missing the point, so you're spot on.
It's a great opportunity to unburden ourselves from the day to day isn't it? And just be........and be open to what comes.......
Rob THANKS so so much for this video. I appreciate your truth, journey and all the wisdom you share. You brought tears of joy, love, peace and wonder to my awaiting pilgrimage. I’m planning my Camino next year. Taking in all your pearls of wisdom. Thanks so much and many blessing to you, always May (fr NYC)
I'm sure you'll have an amazing journey. Make sure to enjoy the 'journey'. It all ends far too soon.
Love you, love this video, I will be walking the James way in the next few years. I am Catholic, Buddhist ha ha ha and I will be wearing my rosary thanks to you sharing this
Vaya con Dios. Buen Camino 🙂
Great video. Thank-you for sharing. I only walked the last section from Sarria a few years ago & even that short time was very special. I hope to return someday.
I'm sure you will 🙂
Thank you Rob for this well articulated thoughts.
I can tell you you are not alone , I am on the same journey.
When I started my CF 2021, I was busy selecting the gear and all the things.
One major question was always "can I do it" ( I am about same age and sex as you )
After a while of walk (after Burgos) i started to think about who , where , why is god and I started to pray the "Our father" I clearly remembered from childhood.
Exercising so I was able to deep dive and started to admire "For yours is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for eternity . Amen."
From this point of the Camino I had my daily episode of start to cry from tiny causes.
What I also realized that people didn't talk about the religious aspects.
Once I had breakfast with fellow young pilgrims one guy talked about he is doing the camino of sport interest and to see spain
and asked me what is my reason. I told them the camino turned for me into religious and I found for myself that god is the people and the people are god.
To my surprise a girl at the table started to agree heavily and confessed " me too"
This leads me to a conclusion :
All people go the camino for religious reasons. And it makes sense.
Today, I still draw energy from this experience
Totally get that. People walk the Camino for many reasons, and many are surprised at what they find there.....
Thanks for this episode Rob. I'm an atheist and walked the Camino Frances this year with my 15 y.o son. We met many other atheists, which says a lot about the lure of the Camino as something more than a Catholic or more broadly a christian pilgrimage. Do I think there is something inherently special about the Camino's path? Ley lines or the Milky Way? No. A few minutes of reading the history of the Iberian peninsula and the motivation of various powers to want a christian pilgrimage across the north of Spain dispels that for me. Does that mean there is nothing special about the Camino? Absolutely not. Knowing the history only enriches the experience. My son and I loved the friendships and the joy of being outside. For me, that's the magic of the Camino. Also there was no judgment of anyone that we walked with from any other pilgrims regardless of faith, nationality and the like. We were all pilgrims. All walking for different reasons. All respecting eachother.
The Camino becomes a lovely 'way of life' doesn't it? If only we could somehow live amongst others that way back home.......
A topic that is not discussed much. But I think it should be, particularly for new Pilgrims. Your thoughts and experiences? And please 'play nicely' in the comments🙂 This is a delicate and very personal topic. I'm sure we can all display the mutual respect that we experience on the Camino 😉
I can't say I have seen much evidence of what you describe, but my last Camino was in 2018. Though I tend to walk my own Camino, in my own way, and prefer not to judge others. Actually no one 'runs' the Camino. The Church oversses the Pilgrims office in Santiago, and sets the rules under which Compostelas are awarded. But no one actually runs the Camino.
Awkwardness and vulnerability are 2 important and common reasons why people are reluctant to talk about spirituality and faith. Thank you for demonstrating to us that it doesn't need to be, while at the same time displaying those traits. I am anticipating my Camino in another 2-3 years - current life circumstances won't allow me to do that sooner. I hope you are able to be on the Camino soon. Buen camino.
Fair points. Maybe I'm not a Christian, by your definition. The whole 'framework' and dogma of formal religion leaves me a bit baffled to be honest.
Thank you,Rob. Wonderful video. When I first heard about the Camino, I had to look into its history. To me it was so moving, spiritually moving, how pilgrims in centuries past walked to Santiago from all parts of Europe for their own religious reasons or to venerate St James. They left everything behind and had faith that God would provide for all their needs. It’s actually how we should live our lives today. I can’t wait to walk my own Camino!
When will your Camino be ?
@@robscamino it’s a long way off, spring 2024. Two reasons: I have a trip scheduled next year to Ireland and second, it will give me time to train with my pack on long walks. I’ll be watching your videos to prepare
@@ceceoo1 Buen Camino for 2024. Though training is overrated 🙂
Great video Rob, thanks for sharing it. That feeling of well being came over me the 2nd day to Zubiri and stayed with me the rest of the way and I get it each time I go back. Something I appreciated more on my 2nd trip, for clarity I haven't finished my Camino, I have to do it in stages for and life commitments, but what I appreciated more after my 1st trip were the churches. How large and ornate they are even in towns that are kind of small but perhaps they had a bigger population previously. Anyway, love your videos. Buen Camino.
Looking forward to getting back there soon myself Jude! Buen Camino. 🙂
Thank you, Rob, for discussing a sometimes difficult subject but one that's so important. I'm a Christian, I don't follow an organized religion, and I live with an open heart. I totally get what you're saying here. I'm planning to walk the Camino Portuguese next year as a spiritual pilgrimage. 😁 I love your videos, keep it up!
Back to 'normal' programming next week 🙂
I’m not religious, I am a member of Humanist UK, but I am spiritual. I try to suspend my disbelief rather than faking it. A fine distinction. I find it makes me open and receptive to the people and situations I come across which enhances the whole experience. I don’t believe in god but I embrace the fact that for a 1000 years or more people who did walked the Camino. Walking the CP coastal route I came across some deep cartwheel tracks, made by wooden wheels in granite. How awesome is that.
Sounds good John. 🙂
Indeed, 'faking it' was probably not a good term to use John. In the example I used, it was more about not resisting what was going on around us, and being open to the fact that maybe there was something in it, that we couldn't yet see.
What a profound and courageous video. Thank you again Rob! As a fellow tree hugging spiritual open to the miracle and wonder of life pilgrim, you are right on! Blessings to you and to your Camino on and off the trail.
LOL. Aren't trees awesome! 🙂 This one is an old friend! ruclips.net/video/2sV7eOGfePc/видео.html
Thank you so much Rob. You inspired me so much with this vidéo. I'm about to walk my first Camino in April. I've walked other roads here in Québec and those wonderful synchronisities happened to me as well.
Buen Camino!
Hey Rob - thanks so much for the sharing your personal thoughts and experiences in this great video. I'm a garden variety Christian - not necessarily Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox, but one who strives to walk with God [the Father] and Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
,During your next Camino, you might want to read part of the Bible to discover some answers for yourself. You may want to start with the following books in the Bible:
1. Gospel of John - Who is Jesus? Can I accept the things written here as actual fact? If Jesus really did rise from the dead, what implication does that have on the way I should live today?
2. Acts - Who is the Holy Spirit, what did He do [and what were the various ways He did it}? Is He still operating the same way today as he did in Jesus' day?
3. Romans - What is each person's relationship with God? What should our personal response be to God's plan?
Keep searching and I'm sure you'll find the answers. It's not a matter of mechanics, but of a person accepting God's invitation and having a personal relationship with Him. Keep us posted on your journey and let us know what you find out!
Paraphrasing John 14:5-6 "Thomas said to Him, 'How can we know the way? Jesus said to him 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me".
Thanks, though I'm not really into 'formal' religion. He and I just chat. Though i do most of thr talking!
I am not religious either, but I appreiciate the world's religions, and the expressions of religions. Most of them anyway, not including religions that are about domination regimentation, threats. The world's religious buildings and art works mean a lot because they are massive efforts of a lot of people with respect to something other than greed, egoism, business and war. At least they should be, though they often get corrrupted - like anything else humans do. On the human scale like a Camino seems to be something people can do together without structure, in their hearts that is ethereal and spiritual and won't cause conflict or competition.
Indeed. A Camino is about what's in your heart from my perspective.
Rob my friend, you are the best kind of lunatic. You have your feet on the ground but your head and heart are searching the heavens (luna - I know its a stretch). Let God speak to you and you will find he is beside you and guiding you. He has promised never to leave nor forsake us.
But a Lunatic none the less 🙂
What a beautiful and genuine way of explaining the Camino and your personal experiences! Thanks a bunch!!!
Just one perspective.....
Thank you so much for this video. I just got back from my first Camino , taking the Frances. I walked to get closer to God, which I did. However, I was very surprised at how few people were going with any religious or spiritual thoughts at all. No judge here, just was really surprised. Most whom I talked to were there to heal or find themselves, or just to walk a challenge, saw some trail runners and lots of bikers. I was surprised.
The Camino is a 'broad church' these days I think 🙂 But if you go to Mass along the way, you'll often find plenty of Pilgrims there. You won't always know why people are walking......
I'd love to make this walk. I'm a Baptist and while we have much in common with the RC church, there are significant differences too. My gut tells me that your experience of God being in the open, all around, and the someone guiding you is Jesus, is what I need. That said, I would have then enough blessings from this journey, an abundance in fact, so I feel that harnessing the common good of this trip exceeds the religious differences. I do think an historical insight into James would be very grounding and interesting, along with how he got there, how he got back and how he was martyred. I too admire some buddhist practices so taking a silo approach to the human world is not always beneficial.
We all walk in our way I guess. There are no rules 🙂
❤ love it. Just what I needed to hear.
Glad it made sense.....
@@robscamino Thank you for all your wonderful videos. I'm doing my first camino in September and have been listening to one after another and taking notes. I must say that listening to you has made me feel more comfortable about my upcoming trip. So much good information. Keep on rabbiting on looove your stories & insights!!!!
@@marianblake9057 I shall keep on rabbiting then LOL
Your spot on about God n being in nature. Tree hugging is spiritual.
Tree hugging is amazing 🙂
The Camino is a Catholic pilgrimage, that involves God, however you perceive God. I spent many years studying the Middle Ages, so, for me, the Camino is a religious experience.
Yes, for many it is a religious experience, but for some it's not. So I think it's a worthy topic to highlight.
I really enjoy your videos. I would like to walk a portion of the camino someday! Just listening to your stories and experiences gives me hope and makes me excited about the possibility.
Let's hope you get there soon 🙂
@@robscamino I'm dreaming! :)
Hi Rob, thanks for bringing up such an important topic, and sharing from the heart! I'm hoping to go later this year. For me it will be a spiritual journey and pilgrimage.
Enjoy the journey :-)
Thanks Rob for sharing your experience and view. I was looking for a video on this topic.. really appreciated..I am going to my first camino alone soon, am not sure what to expect but i am going to live this journey with open heart..
Have you been yet? How was it?
@@robscamino I went 2 months ago and it was a mix of emotions: extreme joy vs deep sorrow along with physical pain that started from day 1 and never left. Everyday there were small and bigger lessons to learn, things happened or people appeared when I needed them as if by magic. Difficult to believe also for me, but synchronicity is more real than we think..
I know in my heart this experience, in some way, has influenced my life as whole. I left something in Santiago, and I feel I came back lighter :)
@@soniaperrotta7868 Sounds like you had an amazing journey. It's hard to explain to anyone who hasn't done it, isn't it? I'm sure you will be drawn back to it
Rob, I love your videos and I have been watching for a while. I can see that God is definitely working in you, yes I see that. Everything at it’s due time, but you keep going back. Perhaps he’s drawing you back?
Keep searching for the truth and you should find it.
Indeed, every Camino for me is a search. Externally and internally. It's my 'church' I think.....
I thought exactly the same!
"And though I oft have passed them by, the day will come at last when I shall take the Hidden Paths that run West of the Moon, East of the Sun." -Tolkien / Lord of the Rings
a fascinating video...Religion is the diametric opposite of Christianity.... the spirituality that so many speak of, really appears to be having God on your own terms... either God transcends us and our understanding or he is a lesser thing...in a box to be accessed primarily for our emotional convenience... I think Jesus is calling you Rob...I suggest you take an Alpha course from a nearby Church to get an inkling of what that means 👍🙏⚡️🎉
Interesting Bruce. I'll look that up......
I'll look for that .......
If you believe in gods or the God of Christianity and Islam, you are religious. That concept or feeling that there is intelligent supernatural magic that affects the world or its beings by an unseen entity and you believe it's real, that is religion, whether you read, follow, or comprehend its scriptures or not. Still, I appreciate your videos very much, your decision to do this particular video which took some courage, being as secular as you seem to be, and it is worthwhile food for thought. I think it’s also food for thought to realize that the human brain is an amazing organ in all the ways it has evolved, which gives us the ability to be educated as well as the ability to have very real-seeming hallucinations such as in dreams or was the case with my mom’s schizophrenia. I think I’m "spiritual" without believing in a daddy in the sky or angels flying around. Walks through a pristine meadow or through a sequoia forest with that feeling of being small among a sort of perfection of the moment is very uplifting and is itself a great place and time for meditation and thinking deeply about things, real or imagined. I do think it’s better for people if they recognize the difference between reality and something imagined, and I sometimes worry they don’t when they should. If I weren’t too old for it, I would be tempted to go on a Camino just to try to get to where you have been, pretend it's real, empathize with others, share my stories, and take in new experiences.
Interesting perspectives Richard, thanks for sharing. You're never too old for a Camino though 🙂
That movie was great, and one of the most spiritual humanistic movies I've seen.
I agree. I loved it. There is a sequel planned!
@@robscamino
Sequel? Color me skeptical.
@@justgivemethetruth it's been announced....
@@robscamino
I just mean I don't expect it to be very good. Usually the motivation for a sequel like this is how well the original movie did and how to capitalize monetarily by that. It very rarely ends well. I'd be happy to be wrong, and some will love it not matter what is turns out to be, but I am pretty picky and critical when it comes to movies/literature.
@@justgivemethetruth I know what you mean...hopefully it will be good.
Why would I panic if youre here to convert me?
Many many people that I met on the Camino were undergoing some kind of personal profound experience.
As a Catholic I could relate to everything on the route. Because it is a Catholic route(s).
And Santiago is a Catholic saint but there for everyone.
Nice......
I’m also a tree hugger 🌳💞😆😂🤣
Good to hear. Trees deserve hugs! 🙂
Some folk may find Jordan Peterson's series of lectures called "Genesis" another view point worth investigating to enrich your understanding. It has certainly made me realize that we too easily dismiss our heritage to our detriment.
Thanks, I might take a look
I’m drawn by the fact that some of the paths were pre-Christian pilgrimage ways originally. I’m not Catholic either. I am a person drawn to spiritual experiences, though.
It's a bit more than a 'hike' isn't it? 😉
"A pilgrimage is a journey into an unknown place in search of expanded meaning"
I like this definition, and he comparison with tourism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrimage
Unfortunately, the majority just go looking for a hiking adventure, instead, they should go to New Zealand, I´m sure they would enjoy it much more. It is a CATHOLIC pilgrimage and it is so sad when the people get into the church without taking their hats off, talking too loud, and taking pictures as if they were in Disneyland. It´s so disrespectful.
Personally I don't worry about the motivation of others to walk the Camino. And I haven't really seen the disrespectful behaviour you mention. But maybe, just maybe, some of those who start out merely on a 'hike', may end on a 'Pilgrimage'.
Aren't we all on different routes up the same mountain....hmmm?
We probably are !
Do many pilgrims take Siesta ?
Some do, it depends on your walking routine. For example some might arrive at their accommodation early afternoon and take a nap. I tend to walk slowly and walk for a longer period.
@@robscamino Do any take Siesta and walk in the evening?
@@christiaantheron9080 People walk in many different ways. The majority would leave at the Albergue 'throw out' time. The time that Pilgrims are expected to vacate the Albergue, and then walk to their selected destination, with small breaks along the way. Those staying in Albergues will often want to arrive just before or soon after the Albergue opens. They might have a nap on arrival. Others will want to leave before dawn, particularly if the weather is hot. I don't know many who walk into the evening. This may be due to the potential difficulty of finding an Albergue bed, as the Albergues might have filled up. Of course this depends on the Camino Route, time of year etc etc. Obviously if private accommodation is booked, and you make it clear that you will arrive late, that could be another option. Always best to check with accommodation beforehand of course.
The nutters are usually more right than you can imagine. Just sayn
There is a small gap between genius and madness 🙂 Look at Spike Milligan ! 🙂
You have really " found the plot."
No idea. Maybe. But when walking on Camino, I certainly find something that is lacking in my life back home.