Love this podcast you guys are fun and make gets me hyped for cata. Enjoying the prepatch in spite of the rough start. New main finally 80 now to do professions and some digging I guess lol
as far as people complaining in the past about how CATA changed the world. But now are saying they are liking the new zones or have never seen the new zones b4. I have to ask HOW? did you not level a new character for 15 years? how can anyone that played beyond cata not have seen the zone changes?
I don't think I leveled anything in cata zones in 15 years except for old Silvermoon and maybe goblin, and worgen zones, both I did when they came out, and only once, so ifs possible, but I also don't hate cata zones
There still feels like a bit of a disconnect from the sort of, higher end, members of the community and the general. Scotte has kind of hit that spot now where he sees the reality. Classic is just not meant for the more "hardcore". You may want it to be, but its not what the average players want and its really not what the classic team is aiming for. Its become evident in SoD, which is done by the same team mostly as this Cata team. This whole xpac in accelerated cadence. In a little over a month, there is already going to be catch-up dungeons. It feels like the classic team is still following the SoD feel and making it so you can just play more alts to stay engaged with the game. People may not like it, but it just has that feeling. I watched some of these streams that they did and its not a fair measure of raid difficulty when your raid is in 359 gear doing Normals. And yes, it did happen. Then wiping on normal Nef several times but saying that its all "falling over" while you are being raid lead move by move, by people who have done the raids dozens upon dozens of times. This is not a realistic scenario for 99.9% of the base. I would guess that Bliz wants to retain players while they speed through Cata and onto MoP. If the log numbers are correct, they have lost a good chunk of the SoD raiding base already. Raids were "too hard", or at least the initial perception of Sunken Temple was, and it caused a very over the top nerf of the raid. If its too hard people will quit. It it's too easy, people will quit as well. It's not an easy sweet spot to find.
The Classic progression servers should be for whoever wants to replay the old games how they were back then, it's that simple. There's SoD and seasonal content if they want to experiment.
I was dooming so hard about Hunter, so I was pleasantly surprised when I raided on mine and my DPS wasn't too bad. Yes I was fourth consistently - but there was only 10-20% difference between me and the top damage dealers on most fights. Not too shabby for a class that is lacking a lot of its toolkit at 80. Completely different playstyle now though, its taking some getting used to!
Also I think the Cata loot system is fine. However I do think that during prepatch they should up the loot drops - maybe even have 10 man drop one 25 man item. The content is faceroll, we just want to kit out new characters or get some upgrades if we're stuck doing 10 man. But its fine either way.
I play on st deck docked and at peek hours I can't log in on Catta I have to log into sod until server slows down? Then it let's me log in it's weird can kog into sod or retail but not catta? Even lowered sttings.
I think Cata is the end of this ride but I am ready to go hard until I kill the Ragnaros with legs. I am probably out after Ragnaros Heroic dies! CLASSIC+ or Ashes of Creation in 2027 !
pls make the four cameraframes parallel to each other. Or realy off angle on purpose. Otherwise i cant concentrate on the content xDD Great stuff though. Thx for the vid.
love these discussions but pls fact check your dragonsoul knowledge there are some false conclusions here. 1.gear: normal: 397/403(Spine/madness) heroic: 410/416(spine/madness) 2. You can't buy tier pieces for valor at Dragonsoul. You just get them from the bosses. Also the idea of removing the valor cap is no bad idea BUT 25man bosses actually give more VP than 10man so you would rabbithole everyone into 25 again. But they could just change that aswell tbh ^^
While Ret isn’t as bad as warrior it def isn’t competing with most other classes, Scotty is just playing at a much higher parse % level than his guildies which isn’t representative of the class balance
I know it is lot of work, but I would welcome introducing Mythic difficulty for Cata with prenerf difficulty while Heroic can be postnerf. And have some small reward for Mythic raiders, something like +4 item level for items.
I’m here for this if it’s only a very small item level increase. The gear gap is what ruined retail for me. Shouldn’t split your player base like that in an mmo 😂
Lol why is raid logging fine sometimes when there was a change they didnt like and TOGC logging would be fine compared to Ulduar content staying relevant for something to do, and other times theres nothing to do cause youre just raid logging and its bad? Lmao i dont get the direction of some arguments sometimes. Restricting players through items or making some more powerful progression items for a bit increased chance to clear for no lifers doesnt matter to those who can wish wash on what they think they need. Dont take the better items if you want to progress at pre nerf. Idk
most guilds did hard mode Mimron because they needed to, to get to algolon. After that, MOST guilds didn't do the hardmode mimron again. EVen though, there was BIS gear from that boss. So if guilds are not going to do a challenge for BIS gear, they will definitely not do it for transmog rewards.
Cataclysm leveling is too easy and boring. I've played on and off since Wotlk back in 2010, Cataclysm was fun to me back then when I was 16 but it seems to easy now. I got a friend to play WoW retail and he and I both thought the leveling was extremely boring. I told him to try Wotlk Classic and he and I leveled to 20 and loved it. We then played in the Cata pre patch and leveled to 25 but were bored of it about an hour in after we realized we could solo elite mobs and killed multiple things in a few seconds.
@@Avelek1 You have fun playing by yourself then. Go make your own private server and make it as hard as possible for yourself and your friends, they should cater to what the Majority of the playerbase wants.
@@gonzalezruben8503 What's the problem with doing normals if hc is too difficult or you just want to have fun with your friends not caring about raid comp or individual performance? There is no shame in that. On the other hand there should be a challenge for those "semi hardcore" and "hardcore" players.
@@Avelek1 Why do you want them to artificially increase the difficulty which is not like the original version? They could just make mythic difficulty and add a harder difficulty instead of increasing heroic difficulty.
@@gonzalezruben8503 No. I want pre nerf version the same way it launched back in 2010. And it looks like we're getting post Firelands version of T11 which was nerfed to the ground. With 4.3 class changes on top it's going to be very very easy
I wonder which will happen first, Bob and Mel from Warcraft Reloaded getting a divorce from all their bickering, or Gho committing sui - uh, I mean leaving the show due to the bullying
I want easier content. I’m 47 and have 3 kids and do lot of traveling. I want to pop in and kill bosses and get loot , drink beers with discord buds , level alts and do real life content. I have already killed these bosses back in original. My time ok game is less now and all of my old friends don’t play anymore which are way better players than guild I’m in now. We do content then check out and play other games and level alts. This is what classic should be. You want hard content then play retail or classic private. Rest of us have real life and families
"If you want heroic gear, go do GDKP and be absolute dog shit". this is absolutely false. This is the EXACT argument that ppl use to make gdkp look bad. If a "dog shit player" is capable of getting loot in a gdkp, they are GOOD enough to be in a NON gdkp raid and get the same exact loot for doing the SAME EXACT thing. If you think that every hardmode guild is 100% elite players, you are kidding yourself. There are BAD players in guilds that do heroics. And they get gear handed to them. GDKP or NON GDKP. Every player has to kill the boss to get loot. Who cares if the guild leader hands gear to his "dog shit" buddy, or if the "dog shit " buddy, bid high enough to get the gear. it is no different.
If you guy really want hard content then go in all greens. Don’t gear up at all in dungeons. The truth is you don’t want hard content. What you want is to be exclusive guilds to kill the bosses and others to never kill bosses just so you can hold you head high
You want easy content, set the difficulty to normal. What you really want is not to whine about not being able to get the slightly better version of the same exact item. 2 types of players, 2 difficulty modes. Really fucking hard concept.
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Love this podcast you guys are fun and make gets me hyped for cata. Enjoying the prepatch in spite of the rough start. New main finally 80 now to do professions and some digging I guess lol
Looms were never intended to get to max level in any expansion. They were always intended for catch up for past content.
lol "skorge" stones :D
Love your takes Scottejaye; your intelligence is wonderful!
as far as people complaining in the past about how CATA changed the world. But now are saying they are liking the new zones or have never seen the new zones b4. I have to ask HOW? did you not level a new character for 15 years? how can anyone that played beyond cata not have seen the zone changes?
I don't think I leveled anything in cata zones in 15 years except for old Silvermoon and maybe goblin, and worgen zones, both I did when they came out, and only once, so ifs possible, but I also don't hate cata zones
Problem I see is gear. Not trying give free gear out but is there gonna be an increase in drops? Are we gonna get close to bis?
Your ability to dodge warlock class is outstanding.
Why, when there's Crix for that. Expect he'll be joining gang ginger soon enough.
Reaching tier 4 set by 1/3 of the phase sounds about right no? Still got a decent chunk of the tier to actually make use of it.
There still feels like a bit of a disconnect from the sort of, higher end, members of the community and the general. Scotte has kind of hit that spot now where he sees the reality. Classic is just not meant for the more "hardcore". You may want it to be, but its not what the average players want and its really not what the classic team is aiming for. Its become evident in SoD, which is done by the same team mostly as this Cata team.
This whole xpac in accelerated cadence. In a little over a month, there is already going to be catch-up dungeons. It feels like the classic team is still following the SoD feel and making it so you can just play more alts to stay engaged with the game. People may not like it, but it just has that feeling.
I watched some of these streams that they did and its not a fair measure of raid difficulty when your raid is in 359 gear doing Normals. And yes, it did happen. Then wiping on normal Nef several times but saying that its all "falling over" while you are being raid lead move by move, by people who have done the raids dozens upon dozens of times. This is not a realistic scenario for 99.9% of the base.
I would guess that Bliz wants to retain players while they speed through Cata and onto MoP. If the log numbers are correct, they have lost a good chunk of the SoD raiding base already. Raids were "too hard", or at least the initial perception of Sunken Temple was, and it caused a very over the top nerf of the raid. If its too hard people will quit. It it's too easy, people will quit as well. It's not an easy sweet spot to find.
The Classic progression servers should be for whoever wants to replay the old games how they were back then, it's that simple. There's SoD and seasonal content if they want to experiment.
From what i remember there was a debuffs on Bosses reducing hp and dmg done by x% in dragon soul
So really though, what is the point of gamma's when ZA+ZG and the end time trio fill the catch up gear need.
For fun
Would it be possible to add some timestamps? This is soooo long
as a rogue fashionist.
I would LOVE if there was an agility Variant of the archaelogy weapons at 359 ilvl.
my new goblin rogue is still stuck on the 3rd quest of the starting zone, cool cool 🙃
I was dooming so hard about Hunter, so I was pleasantly surprised when I raided on mine and my DPS wasn't too bad. Yes I was fourth consistently - but there was only 10-20% difference between me and the top damage dealers on most fights. Not too shabby for a class that is lacking a lot of its toolkit at 80. Completely different playstyle now though, its taking some getting used to!
Also I think the Cata loot system is fine. However I do think that during prepatch they should up the loot drops - maybe even have 10 man drop one 25 man item. The content is faceroll, we just want to kit out new characters or get some upgrades if we're stuck doing 10 man. But its fine either way.
I play on st deck docked and at peek hours I can't log in on Catta I have to log into sod until server slows down? Then it let's me log in it's weird can kog into sod or retail but not catta? Even lowered sttings.
The random dungeon finder putting me in gray level dungeons still 😭
I have the opposite problem it put me into a dungeon fighting bosses 7 levels higher than me.
@@mj14bearify same was in a dungon lvl 45 tank and lvl 53 boss lol
they have to fix this. makes rdf leveling miserable. ppl constantly body pulling and bosses taking 5 mins to kill lol.
So many suggestions on how to change the game as if Cataclysm wasn't perfect as it was
I think Cata is the end of this ride but I am ready to go hard until I kill the Ragnaros with legs. I am probably out after Ragnaros Heroic dies! CLASSIC+ or Ashes of Creation in 2027 !
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Funny how your LK experience went guy, literally the same with my guild... We're all done with ICC I'd say!
Is warrior really that low :(
ah wow i missed this lmao
I'd be curious to hear you guys talk about if they should ban GDKP from Cata like they did in SoD.
pls make the four cameraframes parallel to each other. Or realy off angle on purpose. Otherwise i cant concentrate on the content xDD Great stuff though. Thx for the vid.
love these discussions but pls fact check your dragonsoul knowledge there are some false conclusions here.
1.gear: normal: 397/403(Spine/madness) heroic: 410/416(spine/madness)
2. You can't buy tier pieces for valor at Dragonsoul. You just get them from the bosses.
Also the idea of removing the valor cap is no bad idea BUT 25man bosses actually give more VP than 10man so you would rabbithole everyone into 25 again. But they could just change that aswell tbh ^^
3:30:13 NO PLS NO the most fun ive had in wow is in pandaria soloing wotlk 25 man raids and cata 10 man raids.
I just wish that all addons would be banned. Just a good ui and that is it.
1 Ginger and 2 Gingerbeards, what's going on
It's a Neckbeard race design
While Ret isn’t as bad as warrior it def isn’t competing with most other classes, Scotty is just playing at a much higher parse % level than his guildies which isn’t representative of the class balance
Pre-patch is too short if u have bad luck with solves :(
i spell gat- getzan too played since I was a little kid and didnt know english (not my birth language) nothing wrong with it
I know it is lot of work, but I would welcome introducing Mythic difficulty for Cata with prenerf difficulty while Heroic can be postnerf. And have some small reward for Mythic raiders, something like +4 item level for items.
I’m here for this if it’s only a very small item level increase. The gear gap is what ruined retail for me. Shouldn’t split your player base like that in an mmo 😂
At this point, they could just make the gear all have a cosmetic flair. It might even be more effective driving people to push for mythic.
No. Thank god that won’t happen.
what wow never need is a 3rd difficult, nhc easy hc hard thats it! never release raids post nerf wtf
Mop sucks btw, cata is the end of classic! They’re doing remix so they can end with cata and focus on sod and whatever other thing they want to do
You are tripping
Lol why is raid logging fine sometimes when there was a change they didnt like and TOGC logging would be fine compared to Ulduar content staying relevant for something to do, and other times theres nothing to do cause youre just raid logging and its bad? Lmao i dont get the direction of some arguments sometimes. Restricting players through items or making some more powerful progression items for a bit increased chance to clear for no lifers doesnt matter to those who can wish wash on what they think they need. Dont take the better items if you want to progress at pre nerf. Idk
Lol Gho's suggestions are the worst. You need a mute button for him.
most guilds did hard mode Mimron because they needed to, to get to algolon. After that, MOST guilds didn't do the hardmode mimron again. EVen though, there was BIS gear from that boss. So if guilds are not going to do a challenge for BIS gear, they will definitely not do it for transmog rewards.
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Cataclysm leveling is too easy and boring.
I've played on and off since Wotlk back in 2010, Cataclysm was fun to me back then when I was 16 but it seems to easy now.
I got a friend to play WoW retail and he and I both thought the leveling was extremely boring. I told him to try Wotlk Classic and he and I leveled to 20 and loved it. We then played in the Cata pre patch and leveled to 25 but were bored of it about an hour in after we realized we could solo elite mobs and killed multiple things in a few seconds.
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Lol i dont use mods
cata is much beter than i thort have quit sod
Raids should be fun, imagine caring if it is hard. Oh no you can’t show how super pumper you are lmao.
You always make the same argument, raids are too easy but when raids are too hard the playerbase quits.
Heroic difficulty is not supposed to be for everyone.
@@Avelek1 You have fun playing by yourself then. Go make your own private server and make it as hard as possible for yourself and your friends, they should cater to what the Majority of the playerbase wants.
@@gonzalezruben8503 What's the problem with doing normals if hc is too difficult or you just want to have fun with your friends not caring about raid comp or individual performance? There is no shame in that. On the other hand there should be a challenge for those "semi hardcore" and "hardcore" players.
@@Avelek1 Why do you want them to artificially increase the difficulty which is not like the original version? They could just make mythic difficulty and add a harder difficulty instead of increasing heroic difficulty.
@@gonzalezruben8503 No. I want pre nerf version the same way it launched back in 2010. And it looks like we're getting post Firelands version of T11 which was nerfed to the ground. With 4.3 class changes on top it's going to be very very easy
I wonder which will happen first, Bob and Mel from Warcraft Reloaded getting a divorce from all their bickering, or Gho committing sui - uh, I mean leaving the show due to the bullying
I want easier content. I’m 47 and have 3 kids and do lot of traveling. I want to pop in and kill bosses and get loot , drink beers with discord buds , level alts and do real life content. I have already killed these bosses back in original. My time ok game is less now and all of my old friends don’t play anymore which are way better players than guild I’m in now.
We do content then check out and play other games and level alts. This is what classic should be.
You want hard content then play retail or classic private. Rest of us have real life and families
its what normal mode is for lol
Classic private is way easier than e.g. SoD
"If you want heroic gear, go do GDKP and be absolute dog shit". this is absolutely false. This is the EXACT argument that ppl use to make gdkp look bad. If a "dog shit player" is capable of getting loot in a gdkp, they are GOOD enough to be in a NON gdkp raid and get the same exact loot for doing the SAME EXACT thing. If you think that every hardmode guild is 100% elite players, you are kidding yourself. There are BAD players in guilds that do heroics. And they get gear handed to them. GDKP or NON GDKP. Every player has to kill the boss to get loot. Who cares if the guild leader hands gear to his "dog shit" buddy, or if the "dog shit " buddy, bid high enough to get the gear. it is no different.
GDKP are bad that´s fact!
Ive done multiple gdkps getting 100% carried for gear lol
Why is this still youtube only? Don't you guys have spotify??
Don't you guys have phones?!
If you guy really want hard content then go in all greens. Don’t gear up at all in dungeons.
The truth is you don’t want hard content. What you want is to be exclusive guilds to kill the bosses and others to never kill bosses just so you can hold you head high
You want easy content, set the difficulty to normal. What you really want is not to whine about not being able to get the slightly better version of the same exact item. 2 types of players, 2 difficulty modes. Really fucking hard concept.
@@ericwallhagen3146facts. This dude is a bozo
Mop is terrible. Dungeons were garbage and the look was just dumb. I’d rather skip and go WOD