Thank you. I find your observations match my own. I'm currently reviewing many airbag vests available to the consumer. Helite e and tethered, their HMOOV backpack, the KLIM, the Held, the REV 'IT, the DAir, the Alpinestars TechAir 3 and 5. Here in the US, I've not found a brick-and-mortar store that carries more than one brand of airbag vest. The ability to compare these side by side, the charging process, deploying them, and the turnaround times for those that must be sent back to the maker is something that I feel most consumers want to know. I''m also testing the temp differences using a dermal thermometer. It's taking a long time, but I estimate my comparison will be done in early 2024. As of right now only Helite and the InMotion vests allow for the consumer to change the air canisters. Helite is the only product that does not have a limit on the number of times it can be deployed UNLESS the air bladder is damaged of course. InMotion (Held, REV'IT, KLIM) must be sent back in after 3 deployments.
This will be a very useful comparison - I don’t think there is a comprehensive comparison like that out there yet. Self servicing is important to me too that is why Helite and In&Motion have a big advantage - btw Helite does recommend to send the airbag for checking after 6 deployments. The good thing with In&Motion is that the replacement set includes a valve to self check air tightness of the airbag with a simple air pump after airbag has deployed and before a new cartridge gets installed.
Interesting about the six deployments. In communicating with Helite USA, I was told that an unlimited number of deployments can be done without the need for inspection. I do like that the InMotion vests can be inflated with a tire pump to test their ability to hold air. Both are so well thought out. I have both the tethered and e-version of the Helites, so when friends ask to feel/see how a vest is deployed, I'm able to show them the tethered version of deployment. I do this to simply educate others about the benefits of wearing an air vest. Broken bones and road rash are not fun, but a life-altering spinal or neck injury is in a whole different league. @@MotoVibes
@@markkitaoka8783 I also started with the tethered Helite which I gave to a friend after I bought the e-turtle vest. As of this year I am using the Klim airbag but I still have the Helite vest. I am with you on the importance of the airbag - for me it ranks right after the crash helmet as the most important protective gear for a rider
After some research and comparisons, I bought the Klim Ai 1 Rally vest a year ago. I only do on-road touring these days, but I chose the Rally version because it flows more air. I took out the chest armor pads because they aren’t needed for road touring. My impressions: the default cost model is the purchase, which puts the price right in line with Helite and Alpinestars vests. I chose the subscription because of the lower entry cost and I can suspend it if I’m not riding. The vest is very stretchy and comfortable and I don’t notice it when I’m wearing it. I wear it every time I throw my leg over my bike. I wore it in 100F temps over an LD Comfort base layer and under my vented textile jacket and I didn’t feel that the vest made it worse in the heat, thanks to the base layer. Off-topic, but once I soaked the LD Comfort in water, wrung it out, and put the vest and jacket back on, I froze when I got back out on the highway! it lasted the rest of the afternoon and my skin stayed dry. It’s magic! In cold weather, it’s just another layer: heated liner as base layer, down hoodie, vest and the same jacket. Fiddling with the In n Motion setup was a hassle and took some learning. Battery life is excellent and it takes an hour or two to recharge. I read complaints about if you miss a subscription payment that the In n Motion will de-activate. Not so, at least after a month grace period and while you’re riding. I have my monthly $12 subscription auto-deducted. Other than that, I would tell these folks to either buy it outright or grow up, put your big boy panties on and be responsible for keeping up with your subscription.
Thank you for the review. This is a much better and honnest review on both the Helite and the Klim airbag system then a certain Canadian influencer put out some days ago. The RyanF9 video was full of wrong ore at least coloured information, leading so many new users towards old school tethered airbagsystems. He crushed the complete in&motion system, while this is one of the most advanced today. I recently asked Helite if they update the sold airbagsystems and how? The answer : Go to your distributor and ask if it needs to be updated.... In other words they don't. In&motion systems get updated automatically. I have an IXON vest since 2019 with the same system as in this Klim. I have the classic formula ( so no subscriptions). It has always been updated without paying an extra cost. The Alpinestars systems also get their updates, not automaticly, but still you can update it for free.
Thank you very much 😉 I love the F9 channel but I also think he is off on his airbag assessment. Helite has a second optional fork sensor to deal with low speed crashes and rear end crashes on their electronic airbags - a really good concept. I also like the idea of an airbag backpack which includes hydration. However- for adventure riders that leave the pavement none of the Helite products really work for me at this point. I was very hesitant about in&motion primarily due to subscription model. I am not a real fan of that but I used the Klim airbag all of last season including the challenging Transitalia Marathon off-road event. It got a little hot at times but overall I was happy to have it. It seems like we are seeing more airbag development progress lately- I am curious to see how the market will develop
@@MotoVibes It feels like Helite is behind in the algorytmes in their e-turtle system. So they use the extra fork sensor to deal with low speed crashes. In 2019 Low speed crashes and crashes at standstill were not covered by In&Motion either. The difference with Helite is , that they have a unique system in getting rider and crash information back from all users and developping and reuploading their algorythmes . They come from 70% and are now up to over 95% of ALL crash situations covered now. Last week I asked In&Motion the following question and I quote : Hi I am an In&Motion user ( IXON vest) from 2019 and I am pretty enthousiast about your system. I have a question that I don't seem to find an answer on your website, but that is actually aswered by Bennets Bike Social Test. I would like to have a confirmation. Bennets says that In&motion’s system covers front and rear collisions, high-sides, low-sides in road mode or low sides with tumbling in track mode, as well as impacts from a standstill. I have always been convinced that impact from a standstill was not covered? I thought a minimum speed of 20km/h was needed to deploy in case of a crash ? If impact from a standstill is also covered that would of course be a bonus. Can you please enlighten me? I got the following answer back : The airbag waistcoat is designed to be activated even when you are stationary. However, every fall or accident is different. We take many factors into account in our algorithm, such as speed, force, angle, etc... If your motorbike flies out of your hands at a red light, it's highly unlikely that the airbag will be triggered, because the bike will simply lie down and you won't be at risk. On the other hand, if you're stopped and someone crashes into you at high speed, the airbag will go off because the algorithm will have detected a speed and force high enough to trigger the airbag.
I purchased the tethered Helite vest a few years ago and had it deploy in a slow speed tip over, which probably saved me from injury. Within a few minutes I was able to install the spare CO2 canister I carried with me to have the vest useable again. I am not sure if the Klim has that ability. I purchased the electronic version of the Helite vest when it first became available last year here in the USA. The fork sensor was not available for sale then and I do not believe it is even now due to government regulations.
The canister exchange ist just as easy on the Klim Airbag vest. The canister is a bit more expensive as compared to the canister of the electronic Helite vest - approx 60 vs 100 Euros. The Klim replacement kit has a special valve so you can check the airbag for damages after deployment- this valve adapter allows you to use a regular air pump to check if the airbag still holds air before you install a new cartridge. The extra price is likely due to the gas used. Klim uses argon vs CO2 on the Helite. The cartridge builds a bit smaller for that reason
Hi, Thanx for a detailed & informative rewiew. After My crash that i escaped luckily with shoulder fractions «only» was wearing Klim Carlsbad jacket. After My research i decided on Alpinestar Air 5. This due to the shoulder protection this vest offers over most other vests on the market. As you say there are Pros & Cons to whatever system one chooses.
@@Alexanderpaal67 shoulder fractures are bad enough- I hope you had a full recovery. In&Motion now has a vest incl shoulder protection- not sure if as good as Alpinestars. Held is currently the only manufacturer that sells this vest - came out this year I believe. Ride Safe 😉🤙
Thanks. Very comprehensive review. I'd like to add that RST is probably the manufacturer with the most options for InMotion vests. However, they take a different approach. They build the vest into a wide range of jackets. This only adds about 150 dollars or euros to each garment. A smart buyer could have multiple garments with vests for different types of riding and just lease one brain. For example, a textile jacket for commuting and leathers for racing. I live in Mongolia so I have to attempt to import airbag systems which is tricky due to restrictions on flying pressurized canisters. But possible if you do your research. For off-roading which is the majority of what I do - hey it's Mongolia so what do you expect - I decided to try buying the Alpinestars tech-air off-road. It's proving tricky to buy because it's so popular that it's sold out in many sizes, then the shipping hassles of international purchases. I think any airbag system is a good idea - I own Helite Turtles (tethered) for my rare road riding trips - but the different bladder profiles make them all a bit different. I like Alpinestars off-road focus on more frequent impact areas (shoulders) while also immobilizing the head neck.
@@martinfoster5163 thank you very much for sharing your insights on this topic. If you like the extra shoulder protection look at Held - they are the first to use In&Motions tech including shoulder protection- I am sure the other manufacturers will offer this soon too. As for the Alpinestars airbag vest. I assume their off-road airbag does not require you to send the vest to the manufacturer to put a new canister in once the vest has developed as it is with their street airbags ?
@@MotoVibes Alpinestars (A*) have learned their lesson. The tech-air off-road has 2 canisters which means 2 deployments without any intervention. Then you can recharge the airvest yourself - an easy operation even in the field. After 4 deployments, A* recommends that the airbag is serviced. Probably just a pressure test. I'd do that myself, in fact I think they include an adapter to pump it up. The most important thing is 3 modes (street, enduro and rally) so the theory goes that you won't have nuisance deployments for low-speed tip-offs which happen a lot in technical riding and don't really need a deployment. I'd probably be in the enduro mode most of the time.
Thank you for your KLIM view. Helite recently released the fork sensor that you all in the EU have had for some time. I installed it on my 2022 Ducati MSV4S and have written to Helite to see if where I placed the sensor is correct. Their instructions show installation on a non inverted fork near the bottom middle of the fork tube. This is not poasible with an inverted fork.
Congratulations for finally getting one - it took them long enough 😂 I bought mine 4 years ago - as for the place check out this video at 2:22 - my KTM also had an upsite down fork. I installed the sensor on the upper end of the fork (as per recommendation by Helite) ruclips.net/video/L4OrbQP6EqM/видео.htmlsi=j15gU750Tg9_al-f I hope this helps
@@MotoVibes Thanks for your reply. Yes, Patrick from Helite USA said that how I have it mounted on my Ducati is fine. Ride safe and thanks for your info. I review vests for a website and the Helite is the best for where/how I ride. The KLIM has the second-highest air volume compared to the Helite. I just find it too warm to wear under my jacket. I ran a test of all the vests using a dermal thermometer worn in the middle of my back. The temps corresponded to how I felt wearing each one. In 98-degree heat the Helite combined with my Knox fully mesh jacket made riding comfortable. Well as comfortable as riding a bike in heat can be. LOL. I just wonder if I do a wheelie, if it will deploy.
@@markkitaoka8783 I have had the same experience with the Helite vest - for pure road riding it runs cooler. With that said I sold the Helite to a young rider as I did not use it the entire last season - now I am just using the Klim airbag. As for the wheelie test - I don't think anyone has tried that yet - let me know how it goes ;-)
Schöner Review, Oli! Ich habe die Weste nach Deiner Empfehlung ja auch gekauft und bin jetzt die meiste Saison damit gefahren (quasi nur "road"). Vorher hatte ich auch die Helite Weste, die war mir aber speziell zusammen mit der Badlands pro jacke zu schwer (ja bei mir rutscht sie auch hinten hoch). ich finde die Helite deutlich wärmer bei Hitze, vor allem am Rücken. Bei der Helite gibts auch keine aktuelle Software "over the air". Preislich ist sie allerdings in Summe ein wenig günstiger (6-700 im Vergleich zu fast 8-900 für die Klim, je nachdem wo man sie kauft). Die Klim Rally ist in DE nur schwer zu bekommen, nur für Preise einiges über dem Herstellerpreis. Ich finde, sie trägt sich wesentlich angenehmer mit der Badlands Pro, da ihr Gewicht an dem montierten dehnbaren Bauchgurt hängt und quasi davon mitgetragen wird (das macht viel aus). Die Reinigung ist noch etwas umständlich, da die Weste kein Wasser verträgt, man muss sie vorsichtig mit der Hand waschen. Ist halt wegen dem Schwitzen leider von Zeit zu Zeit erforderlich. Insgesamt bin ich mit dem Kauf schon zufrieden. Hätte gerne ein Produkt von einem deutschen Hersteller, was die Vorteile von beiden Westen vereint. Sozusagen eine Helite, die auch Mesh hat, eingebaute Protektoren und innen getragen werden kann, und ohne Abo-Modell 😂.
Klim versendet doch mittlerweile direkt ab Werk soweit ich gesehen hab. Hasze mal dort nachgeschaut? Bin am. Überlegen mir die Badlands GTX über die HP zu bestellen, da VK direkt teilweise deutlich günstiger ist als über den Vertriebspartner. Versand ist glaube ich auch ab einer, für Klim-Gear, niedrigen Schwelle kostenlos. 🤙
Das mit dem reinigen ist allerdings nicht so einfach. Hab Helmpolster Reiniger genommen aber optimal ist das nicht. Klim ist recht schwer als volles Sortiment im Laden zu finden - immer noch. Bei www.adv-gear.de kann man es in Hamburg anprobieren- da hab ich meine Klim Airbag erste und die Badlands Kombi her 😉
@@SileX406coup nee hab ich noch nicht geschaut, schicken die dann von den USA aus? Dann kommt halt noch mind. 19% Einfuhr-USt drauf, ggf. noch Zoll und Abwicklung vom Spediteur.
@@michaelironrider9443 irgendwie löscht YT permanent meinen Kommentar. Vllt weil ich nen Link drin hatte. Dann nochmal ohne. - kostenloser Versand ab 99€ - Versand ab Holland - Rücksendekosten trägt Kunde - hast halt keine Beratung und Reklamationen und Fragen sind auch schwieriger Für nen Airbag würde ich selbst definitiv in den Fachhandel gehen. Bei mir geht's ja aktuell wenn um Handschuhe und da ich schon welche von Klim hab ist das Risiko glaub relativ gering.
Good review, thank you. I have the Ai-1 here in Spain and under my Klim Marrakesh Jacket find it fine on the road, even in temps above 25c. I am looking into a mesh overshirt to wear over it instead but my original tests in the jacket were good..
I’m considering both the Klim and Helite Turtle 2. Helite recommended that I go with the tethered version of their vest because the E-Turtle doesn’t have off road algorithms.
Hi Alex. If you do plan to use the vest for off-road riding (adventure riding rather than hard enduro) I would strongly recommend against the tethered airbag vest. You will have to set the tether very long in order to ride in the standing position and it will still be in the way. I have tried that with my first Helite airbag which was the tethered version. This also means the tether is way too long for the seated position which means that it will take much longer for the vest to deploy when you do crash. The tether needs to be set to shortest length possible in order to get fast deployment. For adventure riding an electronic airbag is the only option in my experience. I did the entire Transitalia Marathon with the Klim airbag and the fit and comfort was much better than with the Helite vest. I did a video on my off-road experience with the electronic Helite vest if you haven’t seen it yet ruclips.net/video/4O7xjgOfCPo/видео.htmlsi=HgcVbFFt2xHvrhBd At the moment Klim (or any other In&Motion airbag) is by far the best way to go because of the comfort and the off-road mode.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I ultimately decided to go with a Klim Ai-1 Rally vest because of the dedicated Adv riding mode and I wanted something that would deploy faster.
I’m in the market for an airbag vest right now. I recently crashed when someone turned into me and ran me off the road and fortunately my armour and the bike saved me. Very badly bruised but no broken bones; bike was still rideable but damage turned out to be extensive (economic write off). I was very lucky and an airbag vest would have saved me some pain. I hope to never have to use it but I am replacing my gear so looking to add another safety layer into the equation. Thank you for your honest review.
Thank you very much. An airbag is the most important safety gear right after the crash helmet. Best of you never need it of course. Glad you did not get hurt more 😉
Great job! 1 thing people complain about is the inamotion battery life. How many hours do you get out of it in real life riding situations please? Thank you
@@dmitriymukhtarov9663 thank you very much - I would say at least about 20 hours. I never turn it off during a riding day. I am in Iceland right now and charge every 2 days
Thanks for your great comparison 👍 I currently have a Helite on road turtle vest but I’m looking at getting an off road air vest for Adventure riding in Australia where we do get warmer temperatures than Europe! Lol 😂
Thank you very much- glad it was helpful. 😉 You could wear the Klim airbag vest with an enduro jersey- the „Rally“ version of the vest comes with D3O chest protection so this setup could replace your typical enduro chest and back protection as well as a neck brace. This is how this vest was worn by Dakar racers. Alpinestars makes a dedicated off-road race airbag for the Dakar but it’s not yet available for mere mortals yet. My understanding is that Helite also supplies airbags for the Dakar so I am hoping with all this that we will see more innovations and new products coming to the consumer market. For right now Klim/In&Motion is our only option 😉
@@MotoVibes hi again I just ordered the Klim Rally Airbag vest with spare cartridge and will take out a subscription with the Adventure option. Thanks again for your great advice and review 👍 cheers Karl
How about when you have to take the vest on a plane? Many airlines don’t like taking the compressed gas cylinders. Can you remove the gas cylinders from the Klim vest and buy new cylinders when you get to where you’re going? I fly and ride quite a bit and so that feature appealed to me.
I am really struggling with the choice. On the one hand, I am really pulled towards the Helite because it seems to offer more neck stabilization and hip coverage than any other on the market besides the Hitair maybe, which has worse deploy times. As your other video showed though, it can't really handle off road. As someone who would ride 90% road, do you think it makes more sense to go for the Helite and just disable it off-road, or take the negatives of the Klim for the software adaptability?
I totally understand the struggle - I bought the Klim airbag last year but still kept the Helite vest up until a month ago when I sold it. Even though I had the option to use any of the airbags I chose the Klim airbag for the versatility in switching modes. The biggest issue is higher temperatures but I rode the entire Transitalia Marathon off-road event with the Klim airbag and at 27 degrees C and above it was hot but I kept it on. We saw quite a few riders crash during this event and I was glad to wear an airbag and not just a neck brace 😉 - I hope this helps. Oliver. Here is the video from the event ruclips.net/video/5HiW2tQlfS8/видео.html
Da würde ich Dir eine in XL empfehlen aus der Ferne. Besser ist natürlich vorher zu probieren was passt 😉. Ich hab mit 180 cm und knappen 90kg lieber die XL genommen - die L war mit zu eng 😉
@@MotoVibes Ich habe deine Antwort leider zu spät gelesen. Habe auf jeden Fall jetzt auch meine AI-1 Rally bekommen, habe Größe L genommen und diese passt sehr gut! Habe mir auch gleich eine Ersatzpatrone mit geordert, man weiß ja nie ;-) Falls du auch eine hast: hast du hierzu Tipps wo/wie du die Kartusche auf Tour lagerst?
Darf ich was zu der Größe fragen? Ich finde Klim fällt eher groß aus, bei vielen andren hol ich Klamotten in L, die Marrakesh Jacke von Klim hab ich mir in Medium geholt und die passt super so, die in large war viel zu groß. Würde ich dann die Airbag Weste auch in Medium holen, oder müsste die dann small sein?
The Helite vest has quite a bit more air volume but the cervical protection is about the same as the Klim airbag. The Helite vest has some level of hip protection which the Klim airbag lacks.
The KLIM airbag vest is relatively compact and would fit most normal sized panniers I would think. If I had to carry the vest with my luggage setup it would go into the duffle dry bag which sits on my rear seat.
Moin moin, ich war auch auf der Suche nach einer guten Lösung für mich und bin so über deinen Kanal gestolpert. Ich habe mich am Ende, noch bevor ich dieses Video gesehen habe, für Helite entschieden. Allerdings nicht die Weste sondern den Rucksack - H-Moov (elektronisch). Er ist erst heute angekommen, also muss ich ihn erst noch testen aber es scheint, insbesondere da du ohnehin mit Trinkrucksack zu fahren scheinst, auch für dich eine interessante Alternative zu sein? Am Ende eh egal, Hauptsache man bleibt oben ;) Gute Fahrt!
Das ist ein gutes Konzept von Helite. Jetzt braucht es nur noch den Off-road Mode 😉 da kommt sicher noch etwas in den nächsten Jahren. Gratuliere zum Airbag. Hoffentlich brauchst du ihn nie 🤙
Super Review, danke dafür. Für mich persönlich wären die In&Motion Derivate keine Option. Davon abgesehen dass ich dieses Mietsystem nicht gut finde, mir taugt sie vom Schutz, im Vergleich zu den Mitbewerbern nicht. Die In&Motion haben ja lediglich zwei Schläuche die von vorne mach hinten laufen, bieten allerdings keinerlei Schutz der Schultern und auch nicht an den Flanken. Dainese und vorallem Alpinestars mit ihren Tech[x] - Sytemen bieten dahingehen einen deutlich besseren Schutz mMn. Leider habe ich aktuell keind Klamotte die einen Airbag unterstützt. Die on top Lösungen sind für mich auch keine Option wegen der Hitzeproblematik (überhitze extrem schnell) was für mich persönlich ein Sicherheitsrisiko darstellt. Airbag/Neckbrace stehen aber definitiv noch auf der Wunschliste, wobei beim Airbag dann zusätzlich die Frage des Trinkrucksacks ist. Benutze einen von USWE und lieber deren No-dancing-monkey Verschluss, was dann allerdings wiederum mit dem Airbag im Fall des Falles kollidieren und die Schutzwirkung hemmen/negativ beeinflussen könnte. Let's see what the future holds! 🤷♂️
Bin auch kein Fan vom Mietsystem aber es ist ja ein Einmalkauf als Option möglich. In&Motion sind derzeit die einzigen, die eine Off-road Funktion des Airbags anbieten- es gibt auch Rider die dieses Airbag in der Dakar Rallye gefahren sind. Ich denke da wird noch einiges im Off-road Segment kommen die nächsten Jahre. Der wichtigste Schutz der Weste ist der Nackenschutz, da hier die Verletzungen die schwerwiegendsten sein können. Der restliche Schutz ist nice to have. Wenn ich in Enduro Klamotten fahre, dann immer mit Neckbrace 😉 Fürs adventure touring hab ich ein neckbrace ausprobiert- zusammen mit dem Trinkrucksack war mir das dann aber alles zu fummelig. Da ist der Klim Airbag etwas komfortabler mit einem leichten Trinkrucksack über der Jacke. Beides hat man schnell ausgezogen falls man eine Pause macht und einem zu warm wird. Der Airbag behalte ich dann meist an. Das ganze setup ist aber bei hohen Temperaturen und technischen Passagen recht warm. Ich bin so dieses Jahr den Transitslia Marathon mitgefahren und ab Temperaturen 27 grad war das schon recht warm
Hi , may I add, that Alpinestars will give better protection on the collarbone, but they decided to not protect around the neck area as all others do. This can be seen if you have a good look at the alpinestars tech-air 5 . The more trackfocused tech-air 10 has a lot more protection, but again not around the neck. This is a well-considered decision of ALpinestars, but one that isn' necessary a clients choise.
@@gvybin thank you very much for your insights. I will have a closer look at that. In my opinion the neck brace function is the most important in any airbag.
@@MotoVibes I have no medical experience but I feel safer with the head and neck brace function too. ( Helite , In&motion etc....) ALpinestars on the other hand says : "uniquely covering rider's shoulders, chest,ribs and full back" If you look on their website, you can see a tech air vest blowing up. Shoulders and upperarms are well protected. Around the head nothing happens. They do that on purpose, because they do not want the helmet to get a thumb. In an interview ( I can't find now) I remember them saying, a humans neck is flexible and does not need this fixing. SO they focus extra on the side ribs and shoulders ( others don't) and of course the back and spine. They are the only brand that has this vision on protection of the upper body. Strange, but something to consider when making a personal choice.
I just saw that Helite make a electronic airbag backpack which includes a hydration bladder. This could be interesting for off-road use. However, you still cannot change the riding mode on a Helite vest.
1:57 UK pothole uneven rough roads might aswell be offroad use if that vest releases then that sudden pop will make you loose control of the bike.....c'mon helite your better than this. But I guess that electronic airbag vests were designed for the track its smooth no imperfections. It isn't really designed for the street unfortunately where there are imperfections, gravel, potholes.
I can assure you it takes a lot more than a pothole to trigger this vest. The Helite vest did exactly what it should have done. There was a pronounced motion upwards on the little „jump“ at moderate speed. Not something you experience even on the worst roads. The whole point of this exercise was to find out how far I could take this Helite airbag outside its intended use. I ended up riding with airbag in Sardinia and Corsica on more off-road tracks and made sure to avoid such motions.
The subscribtion model and then pay even more for other modes seems very predatory to me. And its a absolute reason to not buy one. Imagina car manufacturers asking a subscribtion to use the airbag? Its pure insanity...
I don’t like it either - some car manufacturers do similar things now. You can upgrade your headlights via app and subscription- forgot which manufacturer- I think one of the German big brands. At least In&Motion offer a full purchase but the adventure mode is still an annual fee. I also think it’s a big deterrent for consumers. It was for me otherwise I would have looked at these vests much earlier
Im aware that several brands like Tesla, Mercedes, Audi, BMW are experimenting with subscribtion models on certain things like adaptive headlights and heated seats. And i am definetly not a fan of that either and i hope it will fail. But those arent safety features. An airbag however is, putting a subscribtion on that is in my eyes instantly a no buy. A company asking for subscribtions on airbags doesnt care about its customer only about the bottom line. It honestly makes me want to stay away from the brand entirely. (I know its not only Klim doing the sub model on airbag vests).@@MotoVibes
I love German youtubers making reviews because their videos actually have great in depth reviews. Thanks for a very informative video.
Thank you very much for the nice feedback 😉
Thank you. I find your observations match my own. I'm currently reviewing many airbag vests available to the consumer. Helite e and tethered, their HMOOV backpack, the KLIM, the Held, the REV 'IT, the DAir, the Alpinestars TechAir 3 and 5. Here in the US, I've not found a brick-and-mortar store that carries more than one brand of airbag vest. The ability to compare these side by side, the charging process, deploying them, and the turnaround times for those that must be sent back to the maker is something that I feel most consumers want to know. I''m also testing the temp differences using a dermal thermometer. It's taking a long time, but I estimate my comparison will be done in early 2024. As of right now only Helite and the InMotion vests allow for the consumer to change the air canisters. Helite is the only product that does not have a limit on the number of times it can be deployed UNLESS the air bladder is damaged of course. InMotion (Held, REV'IT, KLIM) must be sent back in after 3 deployments.
This will be a very useful comparison - I don’t think there is a comprehensive comparison like that out there yet. Self servicing is important to me too that is why Helite and In&Motion have a big advantage - btw Helite does recommend to send the airbag for checking after 6 deployments. The good thing with In&Motion is that the replacement set includes a valve to self check air tightness of the airbag with a simple air pump after airbag has deployed and before a new cartridge gets installed.
Interesting about the six deployments. In communicating with Helite USA, I was told that an unlimited number of deployments can be done without the need for inspection. I do like that the InMotion vests can be inflated with a tire pump to test their ability to hold air. Both are so well thought out. I have both the tethered and e-version of the Helites, so when friends ask to feel/see how a vest is deployed, I'm able to show them the tethered version of deployment. I do this to simply educate others about the benefits of wearing an air vest. Broken bones and road rash are not fun, but a life-altering spinal or neck injury is in a whole different league. @@MotoVibes
@@markkitaoka8783 I also started with the tethered Helite which I gave to a friend after I bought the e-turtle vest. As of this year I am using the Klim airbag but I still have the Helite vest. I am with you on the importance of the airbag - for me it ranks right after the crash helmet as the most important protective gear for a rider
@@MotoVibes If you had to buy one tomorrow, would you go with the Klim or the Helite?
@@sunnyvalejedi for the riding that I do - the Klim
After some research and comparisons, I bought the Klim Ai 1 Rally vest a year ago. I only do on-road touring these days, but I chose the Rally version because it flows more air. I took out the chest armor pads because they aren’t needed for road touring.
My impressions: the default cost model is the purchase, which puts the price right in line with Helite and Alpinestars vests. I chose the subscription because of the lower entry cost and I can suspend it if I’m not riding. The vest is very stretchy and comfortable and I don’t notice it when I’m wearing it. I wear it every time I throw my leg over my bike. I wore it in 100F temps over an LD Comfort base layer and under my vented textile jacket and I didn’t feel that the vest made it worse in the heat, thanks to the base layer. Off-topic, but once I soaked the LD Comfort in water, wrung it out, and put the vest and jacket back on, I froze when I got back out on the highway! it lasted the rest of the afternoon and my skin stayed dry. It’s magic! In cold weather, it’s just another layer: heated liner as base layer, down hoodie, vest and the same jacket.
Fiddling with the In n Motion setup was a hassle and took some learning. Battery life is excellent and it takes an hour or two to recharge.
I read complaints about if you miss a subscription payment that the In n Motion will de-activate. Not so, at least after a month grace period and while you’re riding. I have my monthly $12 subscription auto-deducted. Other than that, I would tell these folks to either buy it outright or grow up, put your big boy panties on and be responsible for keeping up with your subscription.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the airbag vest. Good idea to soak the base layer in water on hot days! 👍
Thank you for the review. This is a much better and honnest review on both the Helite and the Klim airbag system then a certain Canadian influencer put out some days ago. The RyanF9 video was full of wrong ore at least coloured information, leading so many new users towards old school tethered airbagsystems. He crushed the complete in&motion system, while this is one of the most advanced today. I recently asked Helite if they update the sold airbagsystems and how? The answer : Go to your distributor and ask if it needs to be updated.... In other words they don't. In&motion systems get updated automatically. I have an IXON vest since 2019 with the same system as in this Klim. I have the classic formula ( so no subscriptions). It has always been updated without paying an extra cost. The Alpinestars systems also get their updates, not automaticly, but still you can update it for free.
Thank you very much 😉 I love the F9 channel but I also think he is off on his airbag assessment. Helite has a second optional fork sensor to deal with low speed crashes and rear end crashes on their electronic airbags - a really good concept. I also like the idea of an airbag backpack which includes hydration. However- for adventure riders that leave the pavement none of the Helite products really work for me at this point. I was very hesitant about in&motion primarily due to subscription model. I am not a real fan of that but I used the Klim airbag all of last season including the challenging Transitalia Marathon off-road event. It got a little hot at times but overall I was happy to have it. It seems like we are seeing more airbag development progress lately- I am curious to see how the market will develop
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It feels like Helite is behind in the algorytmes in their e-turtle system. So they use the extra fork sensor to deal with low speed crashes.
In 2019 Low speed crashes and crashes at standstill were not covered by In&Motion either. The difference with Helite is , that they have a unique system in getting rider and crash information back from all users and developping and reuploading their algorythmes . They come from 70% and are now up to over 95% of ALL crash situations covered now.
Last week I asked In&Motion the following question and I quote : Hi I am an In&Motion user ( IXON vest) from 2019 and I am pretty enthousiast about your system. I have a question that I don't seem to find an answer on your website, but that is actually aswered by Bennets Bike Social Test. I would like to have a confirmation. Bennets says that In&motion’s system covers front and rear collisions, high-sides, low-sides in road mode or low sides with tumbling in track mode, as well as impacts from a standstill. I have always been convinced that impact from a standstill was not covered? I thought a minimum speed of 20km/h was needed to deploy in case of a crash ? If impact from a standstill is also covered that would of course be a bonus. Can you please enlighten me?
I got the following answer back :
The airbag waistcoat is designed to be activated even when you are stationary.
However, every fall or accident is different.
We take many factors into account in our algorithm, such as speed, force, angle, etc...
If your motorbike flies out of your hands at a red light, it's highly unlikely that the airbag will be triggered, because the bike will simply lie down and you won't be at risk.
On the other hand, if you're stopped and someone crashes into you at high speed, the airbag will go off because the algorithm will have detected a speed and force high enough to trigger the airbag.
I purchased the tethered Helite vest a few years ago and had it deploy in a slow speed tip over, which probably saved me from injury. Within a few minutes I was able to install the spare CO2 canister I carried with me to have the vest useable again. I am not sure if the Klim has that ability. I purchased the electronic version of the Helite vest when it first became available last year here in the USA. The fork sensor was not available for sale then and I do not believe it is even now due to government regulations.
The canister exchange ist just as easy on the Klim Airbag vest. The canister is a bit more expensive as compared to the canister of the electronic Helite vest - approx 60 vs 100 Euros. The Klim replacement kit has a special valve so you can check the airbag for damages after deployment- this valve adapter allows you to use a regular air pump to check if the airbag still holds air before you install a new cartridge. The extra price is likely due to the gas used. Klim uses argon vs CO2 on the Helite. The cartridge builds a bit smaller for that reason
Hi,
Thanx for a detailed & informative rewiew.
After My crash that i escaped luckily with shoulder fractions «only» was wearing Klim Carlsbad jacket.
After My research i decided on Alpinestar Air 5.
This due to the shoulder protection this vest offers over most other vests on the market.
As you say there are Pros & Cons to whatever system one chooses.
@@Alexanderpaal67 shoulder fractures are bad enough- I hope you had a full recovery. In&Motion now has a vest incl shoulder protection- not sure if as good as Alpinestars. Held is currently the only manufacturer that sells this vest - came out this year I believe. Ride Safe 😉🤙
Thanks. Very comprehensive review. I'd like to add that RST is probably the manufacturer with the most options for InMotion vests. However, they take a different approach. They build the vest into a wide range of jackets. This only adds about 150 dollars or euros to each garment. A smart buyer could have multiple garments with vests for different types of riding and just lease one brain. For example, a textile jacket for commuting and leathers for racing.
I live in Mongolia so I have to attempt to import airbag systems which is tricky due to restrictions on flying pressurized canisters. But possible if you do your research.
For off-roading which is the majority of what I do - hey it's Mongolia so what do you expect - I decided to try buying the Alpinestars tech-air off-road. It's proving tricky to buy because it's so popular that it's sold out in many sizes, then the shipping hassles of international purchases.
I think any airbag system is a good idea - I own Helite Turtles (tethered) for my rare road riding trips - but the different bladder profiles make them all a bit different. I like Alpinestars off-road focus on more frequent impact areas (shoulders) while also immobilizing the head neck.
@@martinfoster5163 thank you very much for sharing your insights on this topic. If you like the extra shoulder protection look at Held - they are the first to use In&Motions tech including shoulder protection- I am sure the other manufacturers will offer this soon too. As for the Alpinestars airbag vest. I assume their off-road airbag does not require you to send the vest to the manufacturer to put a new canister in once the vest has developed as it is with their street airbags ?
@@MotoVibes Alpinestars (A*) have learned their lesson. The tech-air off-road has 2 canisters which means 2 deployments without any intervention. Then you can recharge the airvest yourself - an easy operation even in the field.
After 4 deployments, A* recommends that the airbag is serviced. Probably just a pressure test. I'd do that myself, in fact I think they include an adapter to pump it up.
The most important thing is 3 modes (street, enduro and rally) so the theory goes that you won't have nuisance deployments for low-speed tip-offs which happen a lot in technical riding and don't really need a deployment. I'd probably be in the enduro mode most of the time.
@@martinfoster5163 good to know 😉
Thank you for your KLIM view. Helite recently released the fork sensor that you all in the EU have had for some time. I installed it on my 2022 Ducati MSV4S and have written to Helite to see if where I placed the sensor is correct. Their instructions show installation on a non inverted fork near the bottom middle of the fork tube. This is not poasible with an inverted fork.
Congratulations for finally getting one - it took them long enough 😂 I bought mine 4 years ago - as for the place check out this video at 2:22 - my KTM also had an upsite down fork. I installed the sensor on the upper end of the fork (as per recommendation by Helite) ruclips.net/video/L4OrbQP6EqM/видео.htmlsi=j15gU750Tg9_al-f I hope this helps
@@MotoVibes Thanks for your reply. Yes, Patrick from Helite USA said that how I have it mounted on my Ducati is fine. Ride safe and thanks for your info. I review vests for a website and the Helite is the best for where/how I ride. The KLIM has the second-highest air volume compared to the Helite. I just find it too warm to wear under my jacket. I ran a test of all the vests using a dermal thermometer worn in the middle of my back. The temps corresponded to how I felt wearing each one. In 98-degree heat the Helite combined with my Knox fully mesh jacket made riding comfortable. Well as comfortable as riding a bike in heat can be. LOL. I just wonder if I do a wheelie, if it will deploy.
@@markkitaoka8783 I have had the same experience with the Helite vest - for pure road riding it runs cooler. With that said I sold the Helite to a young rider as I did not use it the entire last season - now I am just using the Klim airbag.
As for the wheelie test - I don't think anyone has tried that yet - let me know how it goes ;-)
Schöner Review, Oli! Ich habe die Weste nach Deiner Empfehlung ja auch gekauft und bin jetzt die meiste Saison damit gefahren (quasi nur "road").
Vorher hatte ich auch die Helite Weste, die war mir aber speziell zusammen mit der Badlands pro jacke zu schwer (ja bei mir rutscht sie auch hinten hoch). ich finde die Helite deutlich wärmer bei Hitze, vor allem am Rücken. Bei der Helite gibts auch keine aktuelle Software "over the air". Preislich ist sie allerdings in Summe ein wenig günstiger (6-700 im Vergleich zu fast 8-900 für die Klim, je nachdem wo man sie kauft).
Die Klim Rally ist in DE nur schwer zu bekommen, nur für Preise einiges über dem Herstellerpreis. Ich finde, sie trägt sich wesentlich angenehmer mit der Badlands Pro, da ihr Gewicht an dem montierten dehnbaren Bauchgurt hängt und quasi davon mitgetragen wird (das macht viel aus). Die Reinigung ist noch etwas umständlich, da die Weste kein Wasser verträgt, man muss sie vorsichtig mit der Hand waschen. Ist halt wegen dem Schwitzen leider von Zeit zu Zeit erforderlich.
Insgesamt bin ich mit dem Kauf schon zufrieden. Hätte gerne ein Produkt von einem deutschen Hersteller, was die Vorteile von beiden Westen vereint. Sozusagen eine Helite, die auch Mesh hat, eingebaute Protektoren und innen getragen werden kann, und ohne Abo-Modell 😂.
Klim versendet doch mittlerweile direkt ab Werk soweit ich gesehen hab. Hasze mal dort nachgeschaut? Bin am. Überlegen mir die Badlands GTX über die HP zu bestellen, da VK direkt teilweise deutlich günstiger ist als über den Vertriebspartner. Versand ist glaube ich auch ab einer, für Klim-Gear, niedrigen Schwelle kostenlos.
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Das mit dem reinigen ist allerdings nicht so einfach. Hab Helmpolster Reiniger genommen aber optimal ist das nicht. Klim ist recht schwer als volles Sortiment im Laden zu finden - immer noch. Bei www.adv-gear.de kann man es in Hamburg anprobieren- da hab ich meine Klim Airbag erste und die Badlands Kombi her 😉
@@SileX406coup nee hab ich noch nicht geschaut, schicken die dann von den USA aus? Dann kommt halt noch mind. 19% Einfuhr-USt drauf, ggf. noch Zoll und Abwicklung vom Spediteur.
@@michaelironrider9443 irgendwie löscht YT permanent meinen Kommentar. Vllt weil ich nen Link drin hatte.
Dann nochmal ohne.
- kostenloser Versand ab 99€
- Versand ab Holland
- Rücksendekosten trägt Kunde
- hast halt keine Beratung und Reklamationen und Fragen sind auch schwieriger
Für nen Airbag würde ich selbst definitiv in den Fachhandel gehen. Bei mir geht's ja aktuell wenn um Handschuhe und da ich schon welche von Klim hab ist das Risiko glaub relativ gering.
Good review, thank you. I have the Ai-1 here in Spain and under my Klim Marrakesh Jacket find it fine on the road, even in temps above 25c. I am looking into a mesh overshirt to wear over it instead but my original tests in the jacket were good..
Thank you very much for sharing your experience 😉
I’m considering both the Klim and Helite Turtle 2. Helite recommended that I go with the tethered version of their vest because the E-Turtle doesn’t have off road algorithms.
Hi Alex. If you do plan to use the vest for off-road riding (adventure riding rather than hard enduro) I would strongly recommend against the tethered airbag vest. You will have to set the tether very long in order to ride in the standing position and it will still be in the way. I have tried that with my first Helite airbag which was the tethered version. This also means the tether is way too long for the seated position which means that it will take much longer for the vest to deploy when you do crash. The tether needs to be set to shortest length possible in order to get fast deployment.
For adventure riding an electronic airbag is the only option in my experience.
I did the entire Transitalia Marathon with the Klim airbag and the fit and comfort was much better than with the Helite vest. I did a video on my off-road experience with the electronic Helite vest if you haven’t seen it yet ruclips.net/video/4O7xjgOfCPo/видео.htmlsi=HgcVbFFt2xHvrhBd
At the moment Klim (or any other In&Motion airbag) is by far the best way to go because of the comfort and the off-road mode.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I ultimately decided to go with a Klim Ai-1 Rally vest because of the dedicated Adv riding mode and I wanted something that would deploy faster.
@@alexmoreno8156 you are very welcome. I hope you will never need it 😉
@@MotoVibes THIS is the info I was looking for🙏
@@sunnyvalejedi glad this was helpful 😉
I’m in the market for an airbag vest right now. I recently crashed when someone turned into me and ran me off the road and fortunately my armour and the bike saved me. Very badly bruised but no broken bones; bike was still rideable but damage turned out to be extensive (economic write off). I was very lucky and an airbag vest would have saved me some pain. I hope to never have to use it but I am replacing my gear so looking to add another safety layer into the equation.
Thank you for your honest review.
Thank you very much. An airbag is the most important safety gear right after the crash helmet. Best of you never need it of course. Glad you did not get hurt more 😉
Just what I've been thinking about recently. Thank you.
Thank you. Glad this video is helpful 😉
Great job! 1 thing people complain about is the inamotion battery life. How many hours do you get out of it in real life riding situations please? Thank you
@@dmitriymukhtarov9663 thank you very much - I would say at least about 20 hours. I never turn it off during a riding day. I am in Iceland right now and charge every 2 days
@@MotoVibes Danke! Happy Riding...
Thanks for your great comparison 👍 I currently have a Helite on road turtle vest but I’m looking at getting an off road air vest for Adventure riding in Australia where we do get warmer temperatures than Europe! Lol 😂
Thank you very much- glad it was helpful. 😉 You could wear the Klim airbag vest with an enduro jersey- the „Rally“ version of the vest comes with D3O chest protection so this setup could replace your typical enduro chest and back protection as well as a neck brace.
This is how this vest was worn by Dakar racers. Alpinestars makes a dedicated off-road race airbag for the Dakar but it’s not yet available for mere mortals yet. My understanding is that Helite also supplies airbags for the Dakar so I am hoping with all this that we will see more innovations and new products coming to the consumer market. For right now Klim/In&Motion is our only option 😉
@@MotoVibes thanks again for great suggestion 👍 yes hopefully soon us “mere mortals” will get access to more air bag options 👍😂
@@MotoVibes hi again I just ordered the Klim Rally Airbag vest with spare cartridge and will take out a subscription with the Adventure option. Thanks again for your great advice and review 👍 cheers Karl
@@karlwebb8914 congratulations to your purchase 😉 I hope you will never need it 😉 cheers Oliver
@@MotoVibes thanks again Oliver 👍
Did you have a look at the new? helite Offroad turtle?
Just saw a photo and missed at the EICMA - will have to take a closer look once it gets closer to release
How about when you have to take the vest on a plane? Many airlines don’t like taking the compressed gas cylinders. Can you remove the gas cylinders from the Klim vest and buy new cylinders when you get to where you’re going? I fly and ride quite a bit and so that feature appealed to me.
You can easily remove the gas canister. With the rest I am not familiar as I have not done any air travel with the vest.
There is a waiver letter that you can show the airline apparently,.
@@nikoscosmos thank you for the information 👍
I am really struggling with the choice. On the one hand, I am really pulled towards the Helite because it seems to offer more neck stabilization and hip coverage than any other on the market besides the Hitair maybe, which has worse deploy times. As your other video showed though, it can't really handle off road. As someone who would ride 90% road, do you think it makes more sense to go for the Helite and just disable it off-road, or take the negatives of the Klim for the software adaptability?
I totally understand the struggle - I bought the Klim airbag last year but still kept the Helite vest up until a month ago when I sold it. Even though I had the option to use any of the airbags I chose the Klim airbag for the versatility in switching modes. The biggest issue is higher temperatures but I rode the entire Transitalia Marathon off-road event with the Klim airbag and at 27 degrees C and above it was hot but I kept it on.
We saw quite a few riders crash during this event and I was glad to wear an airbag and not just a neck brace 😉 - I hope this helps. Oliver.
Here is the video from the event ruclips.net/video/5HiW2tQlfS8/видео.html
Hallo @Motovibes. Wieder ein tolles Video. Ich bin 186cm groß und wiege 92kg, normale Figur. Welche Größe würdest du mir empfehlen von der Weste?
Da würde ich Dir eine in XL empfehlen aus der Ferne. Besser ist natürlich vorher zu probieren was passt 😉. Ich hab mit 180 cm und knappen 90kg lieber die XL genommen - die L war mit zu eng 😉
@@MotoVibes Ich habe deine Antwort leider zu spät gelesen. Habe auf jeden Fall jetzt auch meine AI-1 Rally bekommen, habe Größe L genommen und diese passt sehr gut! Habe mir auch gleich eine Ersatzpatrone mit geordert, man weiß ja nie ;-) Falls du auch eine hast: hast du hierzu Tipps wo/wie du die Kartusche auf Tour lagerst?
@@andrekaempfe gratuliere 😉 ich hab die in Bubble Wrap eingewickelt zusammen mit meinem Werkzeug in einer Extratasche mit dabei
Darf ich was zu der Größe fragen? Ich finde Klim fällt eher groß aus, bei vielen andren hol ich Klamotten in L, die Marrakesh Jacke von Klim hab ich mir in Medium geholt und die passt super so, die in large war viel zu groß. Würde ich dann die Airbag Weste auch in Medium holen, oder müsste die dann small sein?
Great review my friend 👍
Thank you very much 😉
The Helite seems to have much better cervical protection. What are your thoughts?
The Helite vest has quite a bit more air volume but the cervical protection is about the same as the Klim airbag. The Helite vest has some level of hip protection which the Klim airbag lacks.
@@MotoVibes That’s great to hear. I appreciate you doing this video as there isn’t a ton of info on them!
you can put the klim into the panniers?
The KLIM airbag vest is relatively compact and would fit most normal sized panniers I would think. If I had to carry the vest with my luggage setup it would go into the duffle dry bag which sits on my rear seat.
Moin moin, ich war auch auf der Suche nach einer guten Lösung für mich und bin so über deinen Kanal gestolpert. Ich habe mich am Ende, noch bevor ich dieses Video gesehen habe, für Helite entschieden. Allerdings nicht die Weste sondern den Rucksack - H-Moov (elektronisch). Er ist erst heute angekommen, also muss ich ihn erst noch testen aber es scheint, insbesondere da du ohnehin mit Trinkrucksack zu fahren scheinst, auch für dich eine interessante Alternative zu sein? Am Ende eh egal, Hauptsache man bleibt oben ;) Gute Fahrt!
Das ist ein gutes Konzept von Helite. Jetzt braucht es nur noch den Off-road Mode 😉 da kommt sicher noch etwas in den nächsten Jahren. Gratuliere zum Airbag. Hoffentlich brauchst du ihn nie 🤙
Super Review, danke dafür.
Für mich persönlich wären die In&Motion Derivate keine Option. Davon abgesehen dass ich dieses Mietsystem nicht gut finde, mir taugt sie vom Schutz, im Vergleich zu den Mitbewerbern nicht.
Die In&Motion haben ja lediglich zwei Schläuche die von vorne mach hinten laufen, bieten allerdings keinerlei Schutz der Schultern und auch nicht an den Flanken.
Dainese und vorallem Alpinestars mit ihren Tech[x] - Sytemen bieten dahingehen einen deutlich besseren Schutz mMn.
Leider habe ich aktuell keind Klamotte die einen Airbag unterstützt.
Die on top Lösungen sind für mich auch keine Option wegen der Hitzeproblematik (überhitze extrem schnell) was für mich persönlich ein Sicherheitsrisiko darstellt.
Airbag/Neckbrace stehen aber definitiv noch auf der Wunschliste, wobei beim Airbag dann zusätzlich die Frage des Trinkrucksacks ist. Benutze einen von USWE und lieber deren No-dancing-monkey Verschluss, was dann allerdings wiederum mit dem Airbag im Fall des Falles kollidieren und die Schutzwirkung hemmen/negativ beeinflussen könnte.
Let's see what the future holds! 🤷♂️
Bin auch kein Fan vom Mietsystem aber es ist ja ein Einmalkauf als Option möglich. In&Motion sind derzeit die einzigen, die eine Off-road Funktion des Airbags anbieten- es gibt auch Rider die dieses Airbag in der Dakar Rallye gefahren sind.
Ich denke da wird noch einiges im Off-road Segment kommen die nächsten Jahre.
Der wichtigste Schutz der Weste ist der Nackenschutz, da hier die Verletzungen die schwerwiegendsten sein können. Der restliche Schutz ist nice to have. Wenn ich in Enduro Klamotten fahre, dann immer mit Neckbrace 😉
Fürs adventure touring hab ich ein neckbrace ausprobiert- zusammen mit dem Trinkrucksack war mir das dann aber alles zu fummelig. Da ist der Klim Airbag etwas komfortabler mit einem leichten Trinkrucksack über der Jacke. Beides hat man schnell ausgezogen falls man eine Pause macht und einem zu warm wird. Der Airbag behalte ich dann meist an.
Das ganze setup ist aber bei hohen Temperaturen und technischen Passagen recht warm. Ich bin so dieses Jahr den Transitslia Marathon mitgefahren und ab Temperaturen 27 grad war das schon recht warm
Hi , may I add, that Alpinestars will give better protection on the collarbone, but they decided to not protect around the neck area as all others do. This can be seen if you have a good look at the alpinestars tech-air 5 . The more trackfocused tech-air 10 has a lot more protection, but again not around the neck. This is a well-considered decision of ALpinestars, but one that isn' necessary a clients choise.
@@gvybin thank you very much for your insights. I will have a closer look at that. In my opinion the neck brace function is the most important in any airbag.
@@MotoVibes I have no medical experience but I feel safer with the head and neck brace function too. ( Helite , In&motion etc....)
ALpinestars on the other hand says : "uniquely covering rider's shoulders, chest,ribs and full back" If you look on their website, you can see a tech air vest blowing up. Shoulders and upperarms are well protected. Around the head nothing happens. They do that on purpose, because they do not want the helmet to get a thumb. In an interview ( I can't find now) I remember them saying, a humans neck is flexible and does not need this fixing. SO they focus extra on the side ribs and shoulders ( others don't) and of course the back and spine. They are the only brand that has this vision on protection of the upper body. Strange, but something to consider when making a personal choice.
I think the subscription option with In n Motion is a good idea. Much lower cost of entry, and after 3 years the cost is about the same as the Helite.
For off road I use a tethered Hit Air vented jacket.
I just saw that Helite make a electronic airbag backpack which includes a hydration bladder. This could be interesting for off-road use. However, you still cannot change the riding mode on a Helite vest.
1:57 UK pothole uneven rough roads might aswell be offroad use if that vest releases then that sudden pop will make you loose control of the bike.....c'mon helite your better than this. But I guess that electronic airbag vests were designed for the track its smooth no imperfections. It isn't really designed for the street unfortunately where there are imperfections, gravel, potholes.
I can assure you it takes a lot more than a pothole to trigger this vest. The Helite vest did exactly what it should have done. There was a pronounced motion upwards on the little „jump“ at moderate speed. Not something you experience even on the worst roads. The whole point of this exercise was to find out how far I could take this Helite airbag outside its intended use. I ended up riding with airbag in Sardinia and Corsica on more off-road tracks and made sure to avoid such motions.
Engine changed?
Should get done this week I hope
Helm?
it’s this helmet ruclips.net/video/ysiMw_UWN1o/видео.htmlsi=Szv4WUi-hFlAyCvA
The subscribtion model and then pay even more for other modes seems very predatory to me. And its a absolute reason to not buy one. Imagina car manufacturers asking a subscribtion to use the airbag? Its pure insanity...
I don’t like it either - some car manufacturers do similar things now. You can upgrade your headlights via app and subscription- forgot which manufacturer- I think one of the German big brands. At least In&Motion offer a full purchase but the adventure mode is still an annual fee. I also think it’s a big deterrent for consumers. It was for me otherwise I would have looked at these vests much earlier
Im aware that several brands like Tesla, Mercedes, Audi, BMW are experimenting with subscribtion models on certain things like adaptive headlights and heated seats. And i am definetly not a fan of that either and i hope it will fail. But those arent safety features. An airbag however is, putting a subscribtion on that is in my eyes instantly a no buy. A company asking for subscribtions on airbags doesnt care about its customer only about the bottom line. It honestly makes me want to stay away from the brand entirely. (I know its not only Klim doing the sub model on airbag vests).@@MotoVibes
60€ per year through ADAC is not bad, and the initial cost of the vest is cheaper than Helite. You want something for nothing?
@@nikoscosmos that is what I got - 60 euros for the first year because I am a ADAC member 😉
The subscription includes constant upgrading of the algorithms based on deployments, which has some value.