Kramnik DRAMA: Was he RIGHT?!
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- GM Aman Hambleton shares concluding thoughts about the Kramnik vs. Jospem "Clash of Claims" match.
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Old man yells at cloud servers.
🤣
Best comment ever🤣🤣
Cloud servers are bad news man.
Kramnik needs the Balotelli shirt 'Why Always Me'
hahahaahahahah
New computers stipulation = new format: chess unboxing
Naroditsky had a clip just posted on reddit where he just dropped 1min+ due to lag in a blitz game. From 1m30s to 16s
It literally happens to everyone. It's part of online gaming.
Link? Pls
@@canefan17chesscom confirmed at least in Kramnik's case it was due to a 3000 game request DDoS attack to his account.
@@dannysosa5334 wow, can I look at this news about it?
@@dannysosa5334 a lot of people hate him?
I agree, a broken clock is right twice a day. Kinda the same thing Aman is saying.
I personally dislike people who complain all the time.
Kramnik, noun. 1. A person simultaneously displaying arrogance, ignorance, and a total lack of self-awareness. 2. A middle-aged athlete who believes that the decay in his or her skills is the product of a massive conspiracy.
lol, second part for sure. at this point it is clear he is extremely paranoid and we should not be feeding into it. He is unwell and by even having a clash of claims to begin with we are legitimizing his insanity.
I believe it is also a verb. To kramnik: to act as an ah
Kramnik, noun 2. A person who is constantly performing procedures
Narcissist viiiibes!
The analogy here is "The boy who cried wolf"
Old man yells at cloud
It guy here, Windows starts downloading heavy updates when it runs for the first time. You can see the same on the XBOX console. That detriments the bandwidth quite a lot. It is a known issue that Windows OS takes your internet connection without letting you know. And that is by design, if you computer is not up to date it might contain security vulnerabilities that could compromise your machine when connected to internet. So if you need a real time application running at best speed and low latency you must make sure that your computer is up to date and then disable any other third party application that might also take the bandwidth. None of that was done, simply because of the stupid request to unbox a computer for every game.
So windows is in the the conspiracy too!?
@@Woodflooralchemist Is that you Vladimir?
Next time play on Linux. 🤣
@@e4jasperi Yes and even better on ChromeBooks, that is light and cheap.
Kramnik: I knew it. American hackers.
Seriously, he needs a psychologist.
He is straight up paranoid that everyone is against him
Vlad should stick to OTB with slow time controls. Online blitz = No country for old men
Kramnic procedure: move goalposts ad nauseum. They should have played 3+1 and only online if he wanted to prove jospem was lying. He went there to complain. What an ass.
You misunderstood Kramnik. At this point, he's doing it for comedic relief. Everything else would point to insanity.
The computer problem was the fact that one of his laptops wasn't fully updated and caused dysnyc or something. And then they were both dealing with lag man lmao come on
I heard that he had updates bc it was a brand new laptop. Somebody said he was unpacking a brand new laptop every day
Kramnik is just getting ridiculous, no chance you can satisfy the guy regardless of what you do. He's really just silly at this point.
He believes what he believes and will never change his opinions no matter what anyone says. Really obnoxious
@@ConstanceMists He has a lot of valid points though. You may dislike Kramnik, but what he says about cheating measures online is very much spot on.
I assume local PC tries "estimate" the time until it is confirmed by the server, just poor programmers who created it.
Perfect coverage of the drama!
All drama aside, I think the point of the match was proven to José's favour. Levon's summary was pretty good, online and OTB are different, just like playing on your phone is objectively worse than playing with computer and mouse, and that is fine. If anything, I hope this spotlight gives José more opportunities to play in bigger events. There is a lot of talent down here in South America, the chess world could give these guys more love.
Can't wait for clash of claims 2, where Hiki wins 100-0 against Vlad and the claim will be "that's statistically impossible, he must be cheating"
No. Kramnik needs to be ignored. He’s a sociopath who knows exactly what he’s doing: pretending to be a fool and playing the part of the village buffoon. But underneath he’s a sociopath who gets off on lies and gaslighting.
You are delusional. And a hater, and a bot.
Picture at the end summarized it very well👏
After seeing VK in day 3, my biggest fear has become to one day be his age and wear loafers with grey socks at a casino
Makes me worry that I'd be this nuts at only 48. It seems really early for senility.
Wrestlemania main event: Jospem vs Kramnik
- special guest referee: Yasser
- commentary team: Eric and Aman
So thank Kramnik for the show and Jospem for participating.
Kramnik was correct. Jospem proved his skills and defended himself.
Both are good.
What was he correct about exactly? I hope you're talking about the glitch and not Jose cheating
kramnik was not correct and he is not good
@@henkdachieflol, my thoughts exactly. Kramnik is incorrect and does not appear to be good, mentally, or in any other sense of the word.
@@henkdachief 'not good'. dude is 50. Until 6 years ago he was top 10 over the board in classical
@@jamesli2545 Exactly, the people who say Kramnik's not good are totally ridiculous. From before the time he was world champion for over 20 years he was consistently in the top 10 globally (1996 until his retirement in 2019), and to this day has one of the top 10 peak ratings of all time, and a rating that would put him top 50 if he competed OTB. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people who think that just got into chess recently, and weren't around when he was consistently a top level threat.
It's totally reasonable to disagree with Kramnik's conclusions and methods. What is preposterous is saying that a storied player with a long history at the top level is "not good" despite him still being leagues above anyone saying this skill-wise. If you were to say the same thing about other retired world champions like Karpov or Kasparov you'd be laughed out of the room.
Stop giving him air time. He's going nuts.
You are eating too much. Health is important !
“Hes lag switching!”
Very well said. I feel the same about kramnik and all of this.
He's definitely become like a heel in wrestling.
Bottom line....after the matches....did he recant is "cheating" accussations against Martinez??
doubt it comes across as a cockwomble : Cockwomble (noun) A person, usually male, prone to making outrageously stupid statements and/or inappropriate behavior while generally having a very high opinion of his own wisdom and importance
He “must check the games first”. His words.
Why should he? Martinez play seems to be under even more questions given his perfomance was worse then in titled tuesdays.
@@user-rh1gk3mg2f you obviously watched an entirely different match. How was his performance worse....Titled Tuesday you a different person each game, not same guy over and over. And he beat Kramnik. The real takeaway is that Kramnik is a washed up senile old man, who is irrelevant in todays chess scene. Disgraceful.
@@user-rh1gk3mg2f what are you talking about he killed kramnik online and did OK over the board against a world champ. 2 online games were also deleted. He clearly played as well or better than Kramnik and so his performance couldn't have been outside of the standard for his games online.
Kramnik's very willing to go on the record with info he knows is loose and investigate if he believes he's right.
It's part of the personality type. To get to world champion, I'd bet he had to investigate sometimes very very half-baked intuitions. You see this in sports, doctors, musicians, etc. For better AND worse, it's just that Kramnik is more willing to share thoughts.
Yes I totally agree, the gamers of that time when we played medal of honor, counter strike and so on, we use stones instead of mouses, and the lag for us was an exotic concept as an alien race or something like that, our computers were also stones and our screens were a painting on the wall inside of a cave :D In my opinion still young people with a lack of mouse skills today, and in that time when kramnik was young he was one of those kids without notions of computering, but there were real gamers as today, hope you understand my point of view
I think Vladimir Kramnik is doing very well in his new job as a commedian. It's also impressive that he still plays chess at around (or slightly lower) level than GM Alcantara, who's a really strong player with exceptional instincts and accuracy, especially in short time controls.
At the beginning I think Kramnik had some valid views about general online cheating, but it seems he slipping into deeper delusion with each month that passes.
at this point kramnik can't be saved...it's sad to see that one has gone down a similar route to bobby fischer, yet this seems to display a different level of insanity than what bobby had...
i still hope to dear God mr kramnik wakes up and gets to his senses
Why? What insane thing did Kramnik do?
Bot detected.
4:00 that bit of video about the timer that he twitted is a little pathetic, he got carried away by his conviction here.. if you play it at x0,25 you can see clearly that the clock is working fine, giving him either 1,9 or 2,0 each round. The 1,9 can easily be explained by the display lag, as you can also see the clock sometimes jump from 4,4 to 4,2 while he's thinking. BTW Divis was not happy at all about Kramnik posting some of their private discussions on twitter without his agreement. Vladimir wanted explanations? ..well Divis just published a 45' clarification vid on his channel, but I don't think he will like it (if he takes the pain to read the automatic translation).
Narcissists never apologize and they always have excuses and point fingers. Nothing will fix Crymnik ever. he is a pest.
Why is Aman using Eric's twitter account???
3:25 exactly, it's called the law of attraction, he attracts the drama he wants and so the Universe PROVIDES!
Also format of the blitz wasn’t same as in TT which was his choice he would bitched anyway
Even a broken (analog) clock is right twice a day.
The old women picture was cruel, but accurate.🤣
in vladimir's defence(LOL not in this case), its really easy to get paranoid about chess cheating.
the problem of "smart cheating" will never get fixed because its impossible to prove.
sure if someone takes 4-7 seconds on EVERY move or on forced lines,
or if the account in newly made,
or the accuracy of the player is ridiculously high, its easy to catch them.
but in smart cheating, a player can only cheat on 1-2 critical moves a game, he can still lose, his acuuracy is not gonna be 97%, he is gonna be in losing positions many times and there is no way to PROVE he cheated.
also its worth mentioning that we must assume everyone innocent untill proven guilty.
and apparently, its easy for titled players to get triggered when losing to someone and just think they cheated.
Why do you think this case doesnt need defence?
@user-rh1gk3mg2f because kramnik is being delusional.
Do you really think chess.come is secretly and "selectively" trying to make him lose his games ?
Many times on camera kramnik got outplayed and started saying his opponent played "suspicious moves"
when you're nuts you see connections that aren't there, seems to be what's happening here
the story you are referring to is about the Gospel of Job
Your pronunciation of "manipulatuons" got me 😆
Selective is the new Interesting
I mean I think if the screenshots show something that is wrong it should be addressed I'm not saying they do but if I was in that position I would try to get as much proof as possible
is everyone learning? is everyone getting their lessons on how to keep eyes on you as an elite chess player in today's world? number 1 rule... cause drama... Magnus announces he is no longer going to compete to be a world chess champion... accuses someone of cheating... causes backlash from the accused to the tune of 100 million dollar lawsuit... BIG EYES on magnus... Kramnik accuses people of cheating... and get this... manages to get an event centered on him... BIG EYES on Kramnik. Is EVERYONE learning ??????????????? this is the new META people. how many people have a notion in the back of their mind that Kramnik is on the verge of a lawsuit of his own?
12:57 EPIC visual representation! I’m subscribing!!
Nobody has an issue with VK’s cause. It’s the way he is prosecuting it that makes it clear it’s more about his own cognitive bias and vanity than about an authentic concern for the integrity of the game any longer.
the way krammik moves the mouse, why is this guy even trying armageddon time limits lmao.
The single common thread is... you.
They said the same about Fischer, but he turned out to be right about the cheating against him and about the spying on him.
JUST at him, the guy is fcrazy , there is nothing else, Its like watching Fisher lose his mind,
The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. The bigger the claim, the greater the need for proof. It is Kramnik's responsibility to perform standard IT rigor like OS and browser updates.
But when he tries to show evidence it gets disregarded. And I don't even know if I agree with kramnick
He's effectively getting mob trolled, and he's not used to it.
Lag affects everybody, glitches, i.e. missing bytes, happens to everyone, but Kramnik seems to be the only self centered 2 yr. old that feels he is the penultimate Victim. Krammy baby needs to humbly admit he is older than mid twenties opponents. Kramnik shames the entire Russian Sports Community.
Kramnik is setting a sample how quickly one can shift from being chess legend into a sore loser
No one tell Kramnik that new computers can be compromised before they reach the customer too...
next claims match should have brand new wooden chess sets unboxed right in front of kramnik. :D
What you said about people who are always involved in drama is true about life in general. Kramnik's message would have been much more effective if he had been more selective (no pun intended) about the issues raised and people accused. He destroys his reputation and any credibility he has by refusing to pick his battles.
He doesnt care what you will think of him. Since you are just a part of a herd. Cheating is present, lagging and glitching are present. Thats it.
Don't understand why a new computer would cause issues at all. If you're connected to a game over a websocket and the game clock is calculated server-side, why would windows updates (or even an inaccurate system clock) even matter?
They explained this on the Stream. Windows updates takes internet traffic as it is downloading a bunch of stuff. Because of this, it happen to have a little hipcup where it disconnected from the match and reconnected, making the clock crazy due the reconnection.
@@SebasLunasllr damn, that makes perfect sense lol.
@@spyroninja Windows updates are very intrusive on the hardware of our computers. Not only it takes a lot of CPU resources it also takes bandwidth from the internet connection. It's a plague that has been around for years, that everybody complains but Microsoft does nothing to solve.
just do a web search and you'll get your answer this is not rocket science
@@highcue who pissed in your cornflakes bozo?
Thanks
Funniest thing to me is that Vlad doesn't hear anyone else complaining about lag so he assumes it's only happening to him.
That is just ridicilous. 20-30 seconds lags. Any sane person would complain about them.
Once again Kramnik fails to convince anyone of the validity of his claims and so he yells "Infamy! Infamy! They all have it in for me!" Is anyone actually surprised at this point?
I still don't have any idea what the issue is lol
The issue is some on-line players are using engine selectively, in very complicated positions, from time to time, to get some slight edge.
Also, on line chess seems to have glitching and lagging and some bugs and can not be used for serious matches.
hambleton keeping it real
He was showing his time circled vs all the moves with the time used. So if you go through every move and calculate the time it doesn’t add up to what was on the clock
He has not figured how to use a mouse, then he goes to unpacking computers before the games ignoring the updates creating latency. Only left to learn and admire the games of Kramm, the person has gone deep into paranoia. As some people said once, paranoia is the fear of indifference
Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.
Yep. Fischer was paranoid, but he was also right about the cheating and spying.
@@illarionbykov7401 So maybe he wasnt paranoid?)
@@user-rh1gk3mg2f it's possible to be both genuinely paranoid and genuinely persecuted at the same time.
@@illarionbykov7401 If you are genuinely persecuted, being afraid is normal reaction. If I knew people were constantly spying on me, I would regularly check everything if there is spying devices and would not trust nobody. I am being paranoid here?
@@illarionbykov7401 Sure, but if I would be genuinely persecuted and I would knew it, I would constantly search for spy devices, I would not trust people etc.
Is it really paranoia then?
I somehow like, that there is chess drama. I would somehow like to see more 😅
There's always something
Kramnik and Alireza to win and take off their shirt to reveal “why always me?”
I’m seriously beginning to think that Kramnik is actually not well. He thinks everyone is out to get him , he is delusionally paranoid
Go Kramnik. Go Hans. How would Levy make a living without them?
so chess does make you crazy, i knew it
Kramnick is ‘the boy who cries wolf’!
Well, it wasn't a small lag. In the last online game, Kramnik was effectively robbed out of 20 secs in an otherwise winning game. He posted a video.
That's true. But at that point he had already lost the match. So how does that matter?
Old man ignorant on how new windows laptops, updates, and latency work, not so different from the 4 year old putting his hand on fire and crying why he got burned
@@20teverify It just that people keep getting angry that Kramnik complains, even when he is correct
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The interview he gave to Gotham explains a lot. Personality thing is irrelevant here. And I see most people play on that. This match proved nothing. Kramnik predicted and expected that he will loose. You all are missing a point.
But wasn't it that Jospem used to destroy Kram online and this time it was pretty close somehow?
he has a winning record against kramnik, but "destroy" is a little bit of a stretch. this match also had an over the board portion. and kramnik just lacks mouse skills.
there is different time control, but yeah, feels like top10 blitz player would hurt kramnik more in this match
What it was demonstrated is the Jose Alcantara put up with every nonsense request Kramnik had and still kick his butT on the online games. Not everyone would put up with these ridiculous request and still manage to deliver as Jose.
And titled Tuesday is 3+1, not 3+2 as they played in this match. 3+1 Jospem would have very likely beat him even more
@@RotsaMonar Jospem has the 28th best blitz rating on the site. He's not a top 10 blitz player, and never has been on the site to my knowledge. OTB he is 24th in the world. He literally does better OTB than online. Kramnik is just that bad online relative to his actual strength.
Yeah but what’s Someone going to do cheat in front of 30 people live on camera. Like why new laptops
14:50 are you talking about yourself
Kramnik doesn’t understand how the internet works lol
its not the internet
@mouse skills matter
i dont think his claims are reasonable at all, totally agree with hans and alireza, i usually side with them but also its too much. but i think they should just ban kramnik now.
Yeah, excellent idea! Kill the messenger and dont do anything regarding the message itself.
Very smart.
@@nickname5103 "the messenger" xD you are a disgrace dont talk to me you are a pawn.
@@henkdachief You, Sir, I must say, you are just a herd member.
its sad because he used to be the best but still thinks he is so when he gets beat it must be a cheater or (add new weekly reason here) Please can someone say" you are not as good as you were mr kramnik" so we can move on.
It isn't an excuse if it is a valid issue. The issues definitely contributed to theboutcome of the match whichbwas still much more balanced than their one-sided pnline history would indicate should happen.
This entire exercise has essentially proven nothing. Jose is a strong 2700 blitz level player who can contend with Kramnik over the board. This becomes beating him online. We already knew this. Absolutely nobody expected Jose to get dominated, not even Kramnik.
What we wanted to see is if he is stronger than Kramnik by a large enough margin to justify winning 8 title tuesday's and finishing in the top 3 in countless others. We didn't get the answer to that definitively either way. I would probably say the indication is that he isn't atrong enough to do that if anything because he didn't dominate anywhere near enough to prove that.
"It isn't an excuse if it is a valid issue."
The impression I get is that Kramnik was able to make many demands. -- I think the right response to lag on a fresh computer is "oh, was unaware of that. Whoops!", whereas Kramnik's response has a "they're targetting *me*!" and accusing many players of being cheaters.
There isn't any indication. For this to have any relevance to Jose's TT performance/cheating they should've had the same time controls. Doubling the increment and having OTB games made it a borderline worthless sideshow. That's completely Kramnik's fault. He's the one who bargained/demanded more favorable conditions for himself instead of testing Jose's ability in TT's format.
@@88mphDrBrown That's mostly my point. There is no answer through this tournament. Although the increment is honestly a very small factor.
@thebiglebrowski3695 Not really, it's practically the foundation of the scientific method and experiments. The control group is supposed to be as identical as possible to whatever you're testing. The best experiment would probably be to have Jose play TT while monitored.
@@88mphDrBrown Which they already did. Chesscom sent a whole team to Jospem's place and filmed him playing TT. He finished 2nd. He's now also shown that he can beat a former WC in a blitz match live, including OTB games and even with a bigger increment (nonsensically, but it's what Kramnik wanted). Jospem's shown enough at this point.
Joseee❤
He's severely damaged his credibility, because each player that he has accused knows personally whether they are innocent. If they are, then they will never trust Kramnik's judgement again because he was wrong about them. And that's how you ruin your reputation amongst top players over night.
Great granny pic comments lol.
at this point vlad should move to greenland and grow a beard
13:15 LMAO
Hit the nail on the head saying nothing would make him happy. He’s already made his mind up.
To be fair, to be living in that paranoid delusion would feel pretty horrible, that constant feeling of persecution be it real or imagined. I feel bad for the guy. Needs a Buddhist retreat for a month or 6.
Thats a lie. OTB games were OK for Kramnik. Why are you lying?
@@nickname5103 not talking about the games. Just his views and general state of mind xoxo
@@adamh6094 Backpedaling now. OK
Kramnik gives me HUGE NARCISSISTIC VIBES. He’s stating -basically- that the whole chess community is against him or IT’s everywhere want to sabotage his chess matches or some. IN-SA-NE!!
Bot.
He's losing his miiiind.... 👀‼ And I'm reaping all the benefits!
Admit you LOST the match, Kramnik. Admit José is legit. Only way to save what little reputation you have left.
You are uninformed or you are a bot. Kramnik said in advance he will probably loose, since he is a retired player.
But not 9 to 0 like ("on line chess") Jospem beat him in the near past.
Loosing 14 to 12, and 9 to 0 are not the same thing.
Also, Kramnik proved his point that on-line chess is a joke, or just for fun, and only OTB matches are the real thing.
@nickname5103 He confirmed to the world that he will never accept defeat under any circumstances. He is a sore loser and a crybaby. Nothing you said changes that.
@@naptown9672 You Sir are a not truthful person.
@@nickname5103 Or maybe you are not?
@@naptown9672 15% chances I am not, and 100% you are not truthful.
Kramnik was only ever going to accept the results of this match if they "proved" him right. The fact that he (Kramnik) thought a match like this would prove anything only further shows that he doesn't understand statistics.
Kramnik accepted the result.
14 to 12 for Jospem
VS
9 to 0 for Jospem (in the near past, on line results, before Clash of Claims)
You dont see the difference?
Or I should make a drawing or animation for you, so that you can understand better?
@@nickname5103 My point is that both are incredibly small sample sizes (also in a different time control). No matter the result this match was never going to prove anything either way.
Bro you are definitely the funniest chess streamer!
Kramnik: who had keys to the Spanish museum!? 🧐
13:07 welcome to the troll bandwagon
After all Kramnik's demands were met, Jose still beat him, and I've yet to hear Kramnik apologise and say Jose is not a cheater. Kramink as an old woman with walking frame is spot on, though old women everywhere might well complain about being compared with that doddery old fool.
José lost OTB, then won online, which just reinforced Kramnik's prejudice.
Comments section full of trolls.
Not trolls, but bots and herd members.
imagine he was completely right and is being targeted?
12:25 it might be selective: Kramnik could be DDoS attacked by too many trolls challenging him during his match
My IRL engine detected that Kramnik should have won given how much h extra floor space his chair enjoyed. If you avoid swapping mice, the space advantage alone should have prevailed 😅
Lets not Kramnicise this situation also...
kramnik is right dude
What if Vladimir Kramnik learnt how to properly use a computer mouse, including techniques that are currently too advanced for him, such as drag and drop? And if he switched to using a mouse that's not a trackball mouse from 1990? I think his problems with always running out of time in online blitz games would probably go away and he'd stop blaming his losses on cheaters