A Forgotten Disaster (BEA Flight 411) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN

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  • Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2021
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    There are many things you would not want to happen to your plane, one thing you certainly wouldn’t want are bits falling off it in flight. The Story of British European Airways Flight 411 will be at time of recording the earliest incident in aviation history we have covered on the channel. It’s a Disaster which is one of the deadliest Disasters to occur in the British City of Manchester. According to local sources, many people including locals, do not have any knowledge of the event.
    Occurring in 1957, air accidents were on average more common relative to the amount of flights performed on a daily basis today. Sources are limited but we can delve into the history of the flight, the aircraft and what happened during the accident. At a quick glance of research we know something fell off the plane. We’ll examine how this damaged the pilot’s ability to fly the plane leading to disaster.
    Background Music Credits:
    Supply Circuit - Ethan Sloan
    Da Capo - Gavin Luke
    Transmitting - Ethan Sloan
    Exile - Lo Mimieux
    The Fig Tree - Jakob Ahlbom
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  • @DisasterBreakdown
    @DisasterBreakdown  2 года назад +47

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    • @indiaviation3424
      @indiaviation3424 2 года назад +3

      I love you’re content in my opinion you’re the best disaster channel on youtube

    • @lukeweeks3470
      @lukeweeks3470 2 года назад

      I've got a great recommendation for a new video! This is also a forgotten about accident. The 1958 BOAC Bristol Britannia crash. The plane actually came down a 10-minute walk from my house!

    • @tommcglone2867
      @tommcglone2867 2 года назад

      Im from Manchester and i know how terrifying this incident was since the Stockport Air Disaster was still fresh in peoples minds.

    • @tommcglone2867
      @tommcglone2867 2 года назад

      @@lukeweeks3470 You mean the Stockport Air Disaster. A DC-4 operated by BEA and ran out of fuel over suburban Manchester. The DC-4 crashed in the surburbs of stockport. Had the pilots not extended the planes glide the death toll would have been catastrophic

    • @lukeweeks3470
      @lukeweeks3470 2 года назад

      @@tommcglone2867 Nope, it happened just before landing at Hurn Airport (now called Bournemouth Airport), east Dorset.

  • @erlienfrommars
    @erlienfrommars 2 года назад +325

    I feel sorry for Wally Wilding, losing your own family from the fault of others despite trying your best to do prevent it.

    • @virginiaviola5097
      @virginiaviola5097 2 года назад +37

      There is a similar story of a man who had been fighting with the council for permission to remove a tree on his property that overhung his driveway, permission that the council kept denying. In Australia there’s all sorts of crazy rules about trees which includes that you cannot remove native trees on your property without a council permit. Gum trees in particular are notorious for falling, and the owner knew that this was a dangerous tree. He lived on a rural property with a longish driveway. And here’s where the story becomes so sad...on the day of the Black Saturday bushfires in 2009, as the fires were coming closer and the conditions were deteriorating, the family decided to pack up their belongings and evacuate, with the wife and children in one car and the husband following behind in another. Just as the wife reached the point of contention on the driveway, the tree fell and killed her and the children, and the poor husband could do nothing but watch it happen. It was just an unthinkable tragedy. On a side note, his neighbour had cleared all the trees surrounding his home and was in the process of fighting tens of thousands of dollars in fines for having done so without a permit..his property survived that day’s conditions. After the horror of Black Saturday, and specifically this case, the law was changed and now a landowner can remove trees within a 100 metre vicinity of their house without requiring a council permit to do so. Sometimes I think that people have premonitions of events without realising that’s what it is, and sometimes if you’ve expressed those concerns to the relevant authorities and nothing has been done, then take matters into your own hands, and do what you have to do to keep your family safe. Wally should have just packed up his family and moved, the husband should have just cut down that tree, permits and fines be damned.

    • @KristenDETW
      @KristenDETW 2 года назад +8

      Hearing that broke my heart, that poor family.

    • @xiro6
      @xiro6 2 года назад +5

      I'm not sure that " raising concerns about planes flying low" when landing on an airport, can be considered as the best you can do to avoid your family to be killed by an airplane crash while living on a runway threshold.
      I think all the airports are surrounded by people who protest about the noise, danger, and paths of the airplanes, even entire districts much, much newer than the airport, even 10 years old against 50-60 years old airports. No many changes on airplanes or traffic volume on that period.
      I don't know the specifics of this case, but I'm pretty sure much of the "ground people" killed on airplane crashes near an airport are people who protested against the airport at any moment.
      It's sad, and it had to be something horrible specially for him, but those accidents happens. it can happen to me, 15Km away, but it's easier living under it., and landing is the most dangerous flight phase.

    • @leon6777
      @leon6777 2 года назад +9

      @@xiro6 maybe that's a hint to people who design airports around populations to maybe rethink their planning. I don't know though, human life may be cheap in comparison to direct city links, in their eyes anyway.

    • @robynzelickson6164
      @robynzelickson6164 2 года назад +4

      @@leon6777 sometimes the airport isn't there when you buy your home/property. Sometimes, the airport is there, but much smaller and as the airport expands, it encroaches on populated areas. We've seen many examples on these aircraft channels of planes crashing into homes or apartment buildings with disastrous results.

  • @sailor664
    @sailor664 2 года назад +109

    "The man who raised concerns survived, as he was not home at the time."
    Oh thank god! At least he was luc-
    "But his wife and 2yr old son were"
    Oh.

  • @MrArgus11111
    @MrArgus11111 2 года назад +254

    The man who lost his family after his protests about safety for the homes near the airport... did he ever pursue any legal action against BEA? I imagine the local courts would have been very sympathetic to his situation and a jury surly would support him.

    • @michaelarchangel1163
      @michaelarchangel1163 2 года назад +36

      The forelock tugging to the establishment was even worse then than it is now ! Local court judiciaries would've toed the line, likely with the assurance of a gong later on. Why do you think it didn't make the national newspapers ?

    • @extraordinarilybasic3250
      @extraordinarilybasic3250 2 года назад +24

      @@michaelarchangel1163 Most Americans would be shocked to know how little the law is followed by their people with any power.

    • @MrArgus11111
      @MrArgus11111 2 года назад +23

      @@extraordinarilybasic3250 most anyone in any country should be paranoid of government employees that are 'here to help"

    • @Robocopnik
      @Robocopnik 2 года назад +17

      Why would the court side with a private citizen over a company? That's not how this works.

    • @MrArgus11111
      @MrArgus11111 2 года назад +4

      a local area court is going to have trouble rationalizing the disaster near their town. A disaster that killed a baby. People have this view that everything involving interpreting and applying the law must be corrupt or "against us" somehow. That's just not the case.

  • @nyxqueenofshadows
    @nyxqueenofshadows 2 года назад +104

    as a (relatively nearby, we're basically being swallowed by manchester at this point) local, can say i hadn't heard of this one! great video and can imagine the research for this one would've been tricky/interesting to do!

    • @keithshop1
      @keithshop1 2 года назад +1

      ? Basically

    • @vanquishable7844
      @vanquishable7844 2 года назад +1

      @@keithshop1 probably on drugs when they wrote that

    • @robsmithracing
      @robsmithracing 2 года назад +6

      My condolences to you, I visited Manchester for work last week. The place is a shithole.

  • @justinlane1980
    @justinlane1980 2 года назад +31

    Poor Wally. He tried to warn them. RIP to his family.

  • @makon2824
    @makon2824 2 года назад +21

    Your effort to find content that hasn't been made popular by syndication is appreciated, thank you.

  • @Katrina_Helena
    @Katrina_Helena 2 года назад +74

    I can't believe I've never heard of this disaster! There's not even a memorial at the Airport Pub (located at the foot of the runway) that I've seen :(
    (If you're ever in the area, I can highly recommend the pub, it's got spectacular views of landing planes)

    • @DisasterBreakdown
      @DisasterBreakdown  2 года назад +12

      I always wanted to go to that pub

    • @ZombieSazza
      @ZombieSazza 2 года назад +5

      Is there a history society in the city? You could contact them and see about having a plaque installed

    • @leon6777
      @leon6777 2 года назад

      Is it just called the Airport Pub? I'd love to go there, and possibly pay my respects in some way to the Wildings. Don't know how to do the latter though. I'd imagine nobody at the council was held liable? It seems like gross negligence of the highest order but the councils tend to look after their own where I'm from.

    • @nukkuminen
      @nukkuminen 11 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@leon6777To me the most chilling aspect of this official amnesia is the fact that the houses destroyed in the crash were subsequently rebuilt to look almost identical, as if nothing ever happened there; it took me some time to figure out the exact address as it is not disclosed anywhere and there is no memorial stone or plaque (unlike e.g. in Stockport). There are people living there now, possibly even blissfully unaware of the tragedy. I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but it's almost as if the council didn't want the locals to think of raising the same questions regarding safety Willy Wilding once did.
      By the way, if any of you would like to pay your respects, there is a memorial stone in the Southern Cemetery in Manchester, en route from the airport to the city centre.

  • @WilliamRWarrenJr
    @WilliamRWarrenJr 2 года назад +14

    In 1964, I flew from Oahu to Kailua/Kona on the Big Island aboard a Vickers Viscount. I was perhaps 11yo at the time. My most vivid memory of the flight was a steady stream of clouds pouring from the top of the windows to the armrests. This was my first ever flight in a commercial airliner, and I asked my dad what this stuff was, and should it be doing that?
    He said, "That's Viscount Fog. Don't worry about it."
    So I didn't.
    I do NOW, but I gotta admit ... Those were wonderful HUGE WINDOWS on that bird!!!
    (pronounced "VY-count")
    (I became fascinated with airplanes when I was still in single digits: "Any excuse to get off this rock!!" - William R. Warren, Jr.)

    • @Leanne2401
      @Leanne2401 2 года назад +2

      This was wonderful to read 😊

  • @willberger4212
    @willberger4212 2 года назад +40

    I binge watch like half your videos every other week because they're just so well made and enticing. If I had to suggest a video, I'd say Pulkovo Flight 612 because it's a really good example of pilot error and pilot attitude.

    • @DisasterBreakdown
      @DisasterBreakdown  2 года назад +20

      I believe there is a cockpit voice recording available for that. I really want to make that video at some point

    • @KristenDETW
      @KristenDETW 2 года назад

      I've never heard of flight 612, thanks for mentioning it.

    • @willberger4212
      @willberger4212 2 года назад +1

      Yeah that cockpit voice recording is one of the scariest I've ever listened to. It's a lot to hear.

  • @virginiaviola5097
    @virginiaviola5097 2 года назад +61

    Poor Wally, he should have just packed up his family and moved when his concerns weren’t being addressed. Never let your gut instincts go unheeded.

    • @victoriaz14
      @victoriaz14 11 месяцев назад +8

      easier said than done

  • @grapeshot
    @grapeshot 2 года назад +40

    Remember hearing about the British plane the Comet and how it was the windows, their design that caused the plane to explosively decompressed.

    • @DisasterBreakdown
      @DisasterBreakdown  2 года назад +28

      The comet incidents will get a video at some point.

    • @EricIrl
      @EricIrl 2 года назад +14

      Except it wasn't JUST the windows.

    • @davidsanderson2960
      @davidsanderson2960 2 года назад +2

      The early mk comets with square windows were the major factor in the weakness in the fuselage which led the later versions to have regular oval windows.

    • @gnarthdarkanen7464
      @gnarthdarkanen7464 Год назад +1

      Aviation engineers had to learn the lessons of sharp corners and metal fatigue somewhere and at some time. It's how ALL windows on ALL modern airliners got to those rounded corners even when they are allowed to be "squarish" in shape. It's easy to look back through "Hindsight Goggles" and say things like "They should've ground tested that..." or "They should've bench tested this..." BUT we're all working with the dubious factor of having the "answers" before we even start with the "problems". ;o)

    • @kittyhawk9707
      @kittyhawk9707 10 месяцев назад

      What has that got to do with this ..

  • @danrm84
    @danrm84 Год назад +3

    My late grandfather was one of the firemen based at Ringway who had to rescue passengers and deal with the crash aftermath.. He told me stories of trying to peal the panels of the top of the aircraft to get to the passengers. I've also read very little of this crash but it was always a known story he told us as it took out a few houses on the approach. Fantastic channel, I found this video completely by accident.

    • @tonybowden1303
      @tonybowden1303 Год назад +4

      my mate Albert Leach former Greater Manchester police chief superintendent was P.C. D53 when the crash occured and was given the task (along with inspector "blob" Jackson) of setting up a makeshift mortuary in a scout? church hall? hut near the scene. They had no gloves or protective clothing ,the hot bodies were just brought into the hall in blankets and laid on the floor. Alb and the inspector had to tag and lay out each casualty , they saw some horrific things . The final bodies taken in were Mrs Wilding and her son , they were fused together . This haunted Alb (still does) . 10 years ago Alb got some "closure" when , thanks to the brilliant staff at Manchester Southern cemetery we were able to visit Mrs Wilding and her sons grave and lay some flowers. Alb never recieved any support or acknowedgement in fact he was treated disgustingly . Police officers who took over from Alb and Blob Jackson in the "mortuary" were given commendations even tho all the real nasty work was done by Alb and Insp. Jackson . Alb is now 90 and very much alive and kicking but the shadow of that plane crash still comes to him sometimes. Tony Bowden

    • @angelachouinard4581
      @angelachouinard4581 11 месяцев назад

      @@tonybowden1303 Thank you Tony for giving these men a place, even if an obscure one, where they can be recognized for what they did. I have first responders in my family and I can only imagine how Alb was haunted by the memories for so long. Bless the staff at the cemetery for their goodness.

    • @tonybowden1303
      @tonybowden1303 11 месяцев назад

      @@angelachouinard4581
      THANK YOU and yes Alb is still haunted but more at peace thanks to our visit to southern cemetery

  • @tonisiret5557
    @tonisiret5557 2 года назад +16

    I can't believe I've never heard of this, or Wally. And yet mostly everyone has heard of the crash of '58. Unbelievable! Thanks for making this video 👌👍

  • @Ztbmrc1
    @Ztbmrc1 2 года назад +6

    In the early 80's the Viscount used to be a regular visitor to my local airport Maastricht Aachen EHBK in the south east of the Netherlands. Sir Richard Brandson openend a new line from Gatwick to Newark, and a feederline from Maastricht to Gatwick. At first Virgin used BAC 1-11 for the feederline, but than changed over to the Vickers Viscount. Also in BEA liveries!

  • @gerardleahy6946
    @gerardleahy6946 2 года назад +9

    The Vickers Viscount had an horriffic safety record, even by the standards of the time. It had a hull loss rate of about 30%. An Aer Lingus Viscount crashed en route to London in 1968 with the loss of 61 people. It is now thought that metal fatigue was responsible.

    • @johncahalane7327
      @johncahalane7327 Год назад +1

      I just pointed this out I knew that captains parents later and I knew a local family who were all killed in this accident, I was very young but I remember the deaths being read out on radio, and yes another interesting story, it was a Sunday morning a neighbour went to help a German couple and their 2 year old who suffered a puncture just down the road, he was on his way to Mass and had to return home for a jack, tyre iron to remove the tyre the hired car did not have even a spare tyre, well it was Ireland 1968, he sourced another tyre from an neighbour, bottom line was the German family missed their flight, the Viscount, yes the same one, that story is true, today it would be viral but again it was 1968 and the people who manned the local telephone exchange were at Mass also true, telephone box then was 400 yards from the car but useless for about an hour, I think Aer Lingus stopped flying the Viscount after 1968..

    • @gerardleahy6946
      @gerardleahy6946 Год назад

      I was only a young boy at the time. I remember the day as my brother was Christened that Sunday. I have vague reclllections of TV, radio and newspaper reports. I remember the following day at school praying for all those lost. The crash was the second and most recent Aer Lingus passenger fatal accident. For many years a story circulated that the aircraft was hit by a stray British missile but this is now discounted. An Irish government review by independent experts abiut 20 years ago pointed to metal fatigue and/or collision with large migratory birds as a likely cause. The Viscount' horriffic safety record also came into focus. Aer Lingus continued to fly Viscounts for some time but they were withdrawn as new Boeing 737s were delivered. I understand these were ordered before the Tuskar Rock Viscount crash.

  • @robbflynn4325
    @robbflynn4325 2 года назад +7

    Hi from Pennsylvania! Worked in and around south Manchester for years and never knew about this disaster, in fact I sometimes parked near the end of Shadow moss road to watch the planes land, especially interesting in stormy weather!

  • @Truckngirl
    @Truckngirl 2 года назад +31

    Another great one! I mentioned elsewhere, but if you didn't see, I'd love your take on United 811 and Aloha 243, because I'm from Hawaii and they are both local tragedies. (The damaged UAL 747 was parked adjacent to HNL at Hickam AFB during the NTSB investigation, and was visible taxiing from certain gates. A real passenger boost...)

    • @232K7
      @232K7 2 года назад +5

      Ahh yes, back when Boeing made convertibles

    • @wyomingadventures
      @wyomingadventures 2 года назад +2

      Great choices. Both of those were scary.

  • @hellosweden8786
    @hellosweden8786 2 года назад +3

    Absolutely LOVE these lesser known, old stories! These people also needs to be remembered!!

  • @princeofkg6557
    @princeofkg6557 2 года назад +6

    I've been waiting for your upload yesterday. I thought it was Saturday yesterday. LMAO. I'm just so excited watching your videos!

  • @loki666100
    @loki666100 2 года назад +7

    No air crash should ever be forgotten 😢

  • @wyomingadventures
    @wyomingadventures 2 года назад +7

    I love hearing about the older accidents. Hoping some day you look at UA 409. Flew into a mountain in Southern Wyoming. There's still wreckage from it on the mountain. Merrill family was in the plane. Some how they were off course. It happened in the late 50s.

  • @ImperialDiecast
    @ImperialDiecast 2 года назад +4

    9:54 that final pic is amazing. Viscount, Caravelle, Comet, 707 and VC 10. It doesnt get better than this for the 1950s.

    • @biffwellington1782
      @biffwellington1782 Год назад +1

      Absolutely is amazing, but If I'm not mistaken, I believe that's a DC-8 and not a 707.

  • @puppiesarepower3682
    @puppiesarepower3682 2 года назад +3

    I live in what used to be the final approach (3/10 mile) to a light aircraft airport. Looking back, I'm grateful there was never an accident in the 50+ years of it's service, before the airport was moved out of town. Aircraft flew right above the property within 180 feet altitude. Crazy.

  • @gville612
    @gville612 2 года назад +6

    There is newsreel footage of the aftermath of the crash. Some clips are used in the beginning of the "Blaming The Pilot" episode of the Channel 4 "Black Box" program from 1996.

  • @lucasbernard5304
    @lucasbernard5304 2 года назад

    Your channel is great. It's morbid but fascinating. Thanks for your work.

  • @232K7
    @232K7 2 года назад +21

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that was a diss to Wiki; I think he just meant "I've already looked at Wikipedia (among countless other sources, I'm sure) and I now know everything Wikipedia knows about this incident. Therefore, why would I read a book that can't offer any new information to me?"

    • @alantoon5708
      @alantoon5708 2 года назад

      In America, the book was called "The Search For Air Safety" by Stephen Barlay. In Britain it was called "Aircrash Detective".

    • @Blingo88
      @Blingo88 2 года назад +1

      Anyone can edit Wikipedia, so it can technically never be taken as a reliable source. Sure it's close enough to learn some things for yourself, and they can link to official sources too. It's just not the kind of certainty you're looking for in a book.

    • @sintes88
      @sintes88 2 года назад +1

      @@Blingo88 And anyone can write a book and make up the sources for it. I've read some terrible books.

    • @annnee6818
      @annnee6818 Год назад +1

      Usually a book is much longer than a Wikipedia article so you get more information and context

    • @annnee6818
      @annnee6818 Год назад

      @@sintes88 True, but with books you can look up the author and check if it's their field of expertise. There's definitely some books that are way worse than any Wikipedia article😂

  • @nigelbond4056
    @nigelbond4056 Год назад

    I’m really surprised I hadn’t heard about this disaster before so am very grateful for your video. As always, beautifully crafted and produced 🙏🏻

  • @jenniferjohnston4403
    @jenniferjohnston4403 2 года назад +1

    New sub here who’s thoroughly enjoying a bit of a Saturday night binge on your videos. Cheers 🥂

  • @tdestroyer1882
    @tdestroyer1882 2 года назад +9

    Amazing video mate! It would be cool to have a discord server for fans

  • @arandomthing2489
    @arandomthing2489 2 года назад +3

    Oooh an older disaster!! Love your videos :)

  • @joecrammond6221
    @joecrammond6221 2 года назад +1

    its always great looking at crashes that took place so long ago, can't wait for future videos

  • @guinnog2
    @guinnog2 2 года назад

    Excellent video. Thanks.

  • @claire7004
    @claire7004 2 года назад

    Yay for being early for once! Another great and well done video!

  • @vomeronasal
    @vomeronasal 2 года назад

    Thank you, nicely done!

  • @redacted1205
    @redacted1205 2 года назад +1

    I love these videos please keep them up

  • @Itsleira
    @Itsleira 2 года назад

    I initially thought this video would be about the Stockport air disaster, as I got my years mixed up. Being close to the area, I know people who helped on the day it happened and was there when they opened the memorial to it. I look forward to seeing your video about it.

  • @jinjunmei
    @jinjunmei 2 года назад

    Very interesting video as always.

  • @Leanne2401
    @Leanne2401 2 года назад

    I’m from Manchester and have lived here my whole life and have never heard about this, i’m from East Manchester but one of my best friends lives in Wythenshawe, when I go to see her it still freaks me out when a plane flies overhead how loud and low down it seems, doesn’t faze her she doesn’t even notice it! Just a huge A380 above our heads no big deal 😊 terrifies me! Great video as always!! Merry Christmas 🎄

  • @preservedirishtransp
    @preservedirishtransp 2 года назад +7

    Very nicely made video, rip to all who lost their lives. Can you do a video of another Viscount crash? Aer Lingus EI-AOM crashed in 1968 shorthly after take off from Cork.

  • @mjc8281
    @mjc8281 2 года назад

    This is remarkable I consider myself pretty clued up when it comes to air disasters(my dad was an RAF pilot and I grew up around the world of flying)and the history of Manchester, especially South Manchester as its my adopted home and I knew nothing about this. I assumed at the start it was going to be about either the Stockport or Winter Hill crashes. The irony is that the victims from the house are laid to rest not 1/2 mile from my grandparents former home and a place I lived on and off for 40 plus years! Thank you for sharing

  • @sailaab
    @sailaab 2 года назад

    🥺💫🙌🏼
    Excellent production

  • @lauren2430
    @lauren2430 2 года назад +2

    I'm from Manchester and had no idea this happened. Planes still fly really close to Wythenshawe to the point where you can sometimes feel your car shaking. I feel so sad for Wally...imagine trying to warn people that it was dangerous and your own family dies because of it...so sad.

  • @BrentSudric
    @BrentSudric 9 месяцев назад

    I'm a resident of Maldon, Essex. On the 5th July 2021, there was a fire at the petting zoo at the promenade park, and I never knew of it until searching about local news events for a school lesson; nearly a week after.

  • @meganmartin1030
    @meganmartin1030 2 года назад +1

    hey man love your videos! i did just want to ask where abouts are you from? i can hear a slight newcastle/sunderland/middlesbrough twang in there but only very slightly :)

    • @DisasterBreakdown
      @DisasterBreakdown  2 года назад +2

      You know your British accents well. I am from Newcastle.

    • @meganmartin1030
      @meganmartin1030 2 года назад

      @@DisasterBreakdown haha thought so! im from newcastle too, i knew it was familiar

  • @_-KR-_
    @_-KR-_ 2 года назад +1

    Yooo I got the poll quiz right! When the intro was like "stuff falling off plane" I was like... oh boy, another clunker dougie... I think Ive already heard of this disaster, or at least thr Viscount being involved in an old aviation disaster.

  • @josephconnor2310
    @josephconnor2310 2 года назад

    Thank you for covering this little-known crash.

  • @sleepyhollow783
    @sleepyhollow783 2 года назад

    "Long" or short video, we are grateful for the effort!

  • @EricIrl
    @EricIrl 2 года назад +4

    BEA's accident record was no worse than anybody else's in that era. Look at airlines that were operating in the 40s, 50s and 60s and you will find that their accident rates were comparable, if not worse.
    The colour scheme in the CGI rendition bears little relationship to what was actually carried on BEA Viscounts at this time. It looks like someone has used a 1960s Air Canada colour scheme as the basis.
    Ground Controlled Approach (GCA) was an old form of radar assisted "talk down" which was superseded by the Instrument Landing System (ILS)

  • @nenblom
    @nenblom 2 года назад

    Something new. Thank you.

  • @andrewkuebler4335
    @andrewkuebler4335 2 года назад +3

    Dude, Walie must have been SO PISSED. I would have held a vendetta against the council who ignored me. Their heads would have spun.

    • @mandywalkden-brown7250
      @mandywalkden-brown7250 2 года назад

      I’ll never understand people who choose to live in a house close to an airport and then complain about issues associated with it. The airport runway was there since 1938, so why did he choose to live in the street in the first place?

  • @leohartley155
    @leohartley155 2 года назад

    What makes this eerier for me is I like a 10 min walk away from shadowmoss road. In Manchester most people have heard of the Stockport air disaster and the runway disaster but not this one which I’ve not heard of

  • @c.j.4180
    @c.j.4180 2 года назад

    Another great video. Can't wait to see the one you do on the Manchester United team crash.

  • @PandaBear62573
    @PandaBear62573 2 года назад +1

    I love to see you do a video on a plane crash in New York City on December 16, 1960 when a turboprop plane and a jet plane collided over Staten Island. The jet plane, a United plane, crashed in Park Slope Brooklyn, a heavily populated area.

  • @asimplekraken1318
    @asimplekraken1318 2 года назад +1

    Wasn't aware of this one, there was a plane crash in my home town on the edge of Manchester.
    The Stockport air disaster, would love to see a video on it

  • @ontheroadagainwithvinny931
    @ontheroadagainwithvinny931 2 года назад +1

    I'm a Manc and wasn't aware of this. Desperately sad for Wally Wilding and his family. I don't know when he moved into the house, i.e. after the airport had already started operating, but if anyone lives next to an airport the risks are higher of something like this happening. It's great that airline safety has improved over the years and the risks have been reduced.

  • @enigmadrath1780
    @enigmadrath1780 Год назад +1

    3:33
    Having never heard of this crash, I was curious so I went browsing through the archives. A 1957 article in The Manchester Guardian identified the crew as:
    Capt. T. R. Breheny (a Lincolnshire Echo article names him as Thomas Breheny)
    First Officer D. Palin (a Manchester Evening News article names him as Douglas Palin)
    Radio Officer D.J. Denman (a Liverpool Echo article names him as John Denman)
    Stewardess Daphne W. Newman
    Steward John Harris
    Captain Breheny, 38, was described as "an extremely experienced pilot with a long history of flying". He was a former Royal Australian Air Force pilot who remained in the UK after the war and had been with BEA for ten years and "knew the flight backwards." He left behind a wife and four kids. First Officer Palin, 35, had been an RAF squadron leader before joining BEA. He also left behind a wife, and two kids.
    Of the passengers: 10 were British, 4 were Dutch (two of which were brothers), and 1 was Swedish.

  • @emily.g.929
    @emily.g.929 2 года назад +4

    I’m sorry but I almost choked with the book and Wikipedia research part 😂

  • @ANTONSV5
    @ANTONSV5 2 года назад

    For inspiration for your videos, do you watch videos documenting the top 25 deadliest accidents from each plane

  • @KarlandKristy
    @KarlandKristy 2 года назад

    Pretty cool man. I didn’t even know about this one. I will say this much. I hear this a lot. The flaps are used to slow the plane. Not really. I used to fly a Cessna 150. Now I know that’s a big comparison between a small plane and a big commercial airliner. Flaps are actually more used to bring the nose of the aircraft to an attitude that allows you to land on your rear wheels and not drive the front of the plane or the propellers into the ground. They do have an effect of someone slowing the aircraft down, but they are more to change attitude then they are to change speed.

    • @marcmcreynolds2827
      @marcmcreynolds2827 2 года назад +2

      Just in general (vs aircraft-specific): Throttle changes speed. Flaps keep the aircraft from falling out of the sky as the speed slows, by generating more lift (and drag) at a given speed.

  • @R3neeXD
    @R3neeXD 2 года назад +4

    Well that was a depressing turn of events.
    We should all learn to listen to the Wallies of the world.

  • @TheLucreziia
    @TheLucreziia 2 года назад

    Born and raised in Manchester and as a youth a regular Aircraft spotter at Ringway in the 1960's. Never heard of this until today it is as if they just quietly covered it up. The only crash that is ever talked about is the later 1967 BM British Midland flight that crashed at Stockport.

  • @angelaconnor3754
    @angelaconnor3754 Год назад

    God Bless Them. All. . Rest in peace .x⚘️⚘️🌸⚘️

  • @rtlgrmpf
    @rtlgrmpf 2 года назад +2

    Poor Wally. Being Cassandra sucks...

  • @5thdawg917
    @5thdawg917 2 года назад

    Damn. More than 60 years ago. And that space of time so many things have changed.

  • @Korouss911
    @Korouss911 Год назад +1

    Can only imagine how Wally felt after his concerns before hand.

  • @Sebparra89
    @Sebparra89 Год назад

    You should do one on the Munich air disaster

  • @johnjephcote7636
    @johnjephcote7636 Год назад

    While i was at school in the 1950s and 1960s, air disasters were so frequent that it was remarked upon by air-minded chums. Many of the locations I still remember but this accident, tho' I was living down south, I never heard about either in the national newspapers or the one TV Channel-BBC.

  • @NicholasGuccione
    @NicholasGuccione 2 года назад +2

    Sh*t. I live in Malaga, and just bought a ticket to Manchester on BA for the 12th of December. Wish me luck, por favor!

  • @yakacm
    @yakacm 2 года назад

    There was a Viscount that crashed in to a factory attempting to land at Liverpool Speke Airport in 1965.

  • @torgeirbrandsnes1916
    @torgeirbrandsnes1916 2 года назад

    Great vlog! I have not heard of this accident and I am an accident buff. Thank you very much.

  • @None-zc5vg
    @None-zc5vg Год назад

    Ringway had another runway until the early '60s and small airliners like the DC-3s and Herons had to approach it very low over the roofs of the nearby 50s-built houses and flats. A crash in that area WOULD have been a real disaster in terms of ground casualties. I lived under that approach from the late '50s.

  • @trucktalkvideos
    @trucktalkvideos 2 года назад

    I only live in Oldham I'v heard of it but don't know what year it happened what are the chances of it smashing in to his home ?

  • @johncahalane7327
    @johncahalane7327 Год назад

    I remember the other forgotten Viscount accident that I remember the Aer Lingus Viscount in 1968 Cork to London crash off Tusker Rock Lighthouse with the loss of 61 people the worst Irish Air Accident ever and only involving an Irish aircraft, the cause is still unknown loss of a wing or tail due to metal fatigue sounds likely as the cause, but there are theories of a missile strike by accident from a land based missile or ship based, there was an exercise taking place in Wales at the same time, yet I still looking at the Viscount safety records points me to the accident being caused by a part of the plane falling off killing all 61 on board, quite by accident I knew both parents of one of the captains by pure fluke in the 1980s the subject never came up..

  • @stuartlee6622
    @stuartlee6622 2 года назад +1

    Please do the Lockheed Electra whirlmode crashes.

  • @Holland41
    @Holland41 Год назад

    Sadly the Viscount suffered from the shortcomings of a pioneering technology. The British led the world with this aircraft and the Comet, but the concept of metal fatigue wasn't understood at the time. Both aircraft were tested thoroughly before entering service according to theoretical ideas of airframe life, but didn't take into account the vagaries of day-in day-out service in terms of fatigue, nor the behaviour of new metals in such service. Sadly both had shortcomings that impacted their operations, the Comet more spectacularly and dramatically, but the Viscount eventually required constant observation and component replacements to remain safely operational. Other manufacturers, especially in the USA, watched and learnt from these pioneering designs, but even then there were big problems as in the Lockheed Electra.

  • @davhuf3496
    @davhuf3496 2 года назад

    Who was there first, the airfield or the housing area?

  • @JuanGSR
    @JuanGSR 2 года назад

    I'd love for you to cover LAPA Flight 3142

  • @stephanieparker1250
    @stephanieparker1250 Год назад

    New Heathrow airport! I wonder how many flights per day they had back then..

  • @ChaklitTea
    @ChaklitTea 2 года назад

    I hope you do an episode on Aeroflot flight 217 a very mysterious accident

  • @macaylacayton2915
    @macaylacayton2915 2 года назад

    I tried searching this incident on wikipedia under 'British airways flight 411' thinking it was just British airways for some reason but found the full name and the article I'll let him explain though

  • @asveri1
    @asveri1 2 года назад

    I don't know if you read comments, but i'd love to see a video about Aeroméxico Flight 498.

  • @gooner72
    @gooner72 5 месяцев назад

    I tell you what..........
    Inventor of the first jet engine,
    First turboprop aircraft,
    First jet powered airliner and lastly.......
    The joint designer/developer and manufacturer of the most beautiful aircraft ever to grace the skies...... which was a little bit on the fast side as it happens.
    Not bad for a pissy little Island 20 miles off of mainland Europe.
    🇬🇧✌️

  • @KingCast65
    @KingCast65 2 года назад

    My heart hurts for Mr. Wilding.

  • @potato1907
    @potato1907 Год назад

    can you cover BOAC Flight 911?

  • @michaelcollins743
    @michaelcollins743 2 года назад

    Do the Aer Lingus Tuskar Rock crash!

  • @liamb8644
    @liamb8644 2 года назад

    I love your voice.

  • @DZstudios.
    @DZstudios. 2 года назад +1

    High quality video by WIKIPEDIA

  • @roboticzamat
    @roboticzamat 2 года назад

    No dislikes after two days.
    Wow.
    Intense.
    👏

  • @moiraatkinson
    @moiraatkinson 2 года назад

    You forgot to read out one of the £10 patreon names 😳! Poor *psydefect* never got a mention.

  • @peregrinemccauley5010
    @peregrinemccauley5010 2 года назад +1

    Sounds like to me , BEA had friends in high places . They may have been shielded from the bad publicity to help keep their business operations alive . After all , Government and big business share the same school tie .

    • @p4rz1val
      @p4rz1val 2 года назад

      BEA was nationalized. Wouldn't be surprised if the Department of Transport made some calls to the major news outlets in London after the crash because something something national interest.

    • @peregrinemccauley5010
      @peregrinemccauley5010 2 года назад

      @@p4rz1val Yep .

  • @Steamtramman719
    @Steamtramman719 2 года назад

    We, in another airline, knew them as 'Britain's Excuse for an Airline', operating out of Thiefrow.

  • @volkswagongolf4967
    @volkswagongolf4967 2 года назад

    Do aer lingus 712

  • @yazikhodayar
    @yazikhodayar 2 года назад +1

    please do HS-TGI CRASH PLEASE

  • @JBoo
    @JBoo 2 года назад

    My local airport that can only fly 35ppl max is nowhere near homes

  • @Vanadeo
    @Vanadeo 2 года назад

    Poor Wally :(... Lost his wife and kid..

  • @raymondleggs5508
    @raymondleggs5508 2 года назад

    Poor Wally Wilding. 😢

  • @dontspikemydrink9382
    @dontspikemydrink9382 2 года назад

    DID YOU FORGET YOU COVERED The Hindenburg

  • @brody3166
    @brody3166 2 года назад

    When you transitioned to the Stockport Air Disaster slide, you said it happened in 1967, but the subtitle under "Stockport Air Disaster" still says February 1958.

    • @DisasterBreakdown
      @DisasterBreakdown  2 года назад +5

      Ah crap, thanks for pointing that out. I'm really puzzled as to how that ended up like that. I took great care aligning the text up. I must of just messed up somewhere, my apologies.

    • @dontspikemydrink9382
      @dontspikemydrink9382 2 года назад

      @@DisasterBreakdown YOU ALSO MENTIONED THIS BEING THE EARLIEST CASE OF AVIATION INCIDENT MENTIONED ON THE CHANNEL, BUT YOU COVERED The Hindenburg

  • @ThePwnzerWillDie
    @ThePwnzerWillDie 2 года назад +1

    pleaaaaase do a video on
    Sabena Flight 548