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I was mastering a track yesterday, and I was attempting to use a VCA style compressor (Slate's VBC-Red), and I just couldn't get it the attack just right. I then did the "unthinkable" - I put a stock PreSonus compressor on the mastering session. I did it as a "goof" - something I had never tried. But I ended up keeping it because the fine control over attack time was just what I needed. Moral of the story: Don't underestimate the stock PreSonus plugins. And the Fat Channel compressors are even more unique and useful.
Compressors aside, my biggest go-to in the Fat Channel is the 'Vintage EQ'. It's supposedly modeled on the Neve 1073. It's dirt simple to use and it imparts a little cream on top. Can't live without it. The 'Passive EQ' is modeled on a Pultec. It's good too. ✌
I believe the tube compressor is modeled after the LA2A, which I believe is known for a slower attack, good for applications where you want to preserve some transients.
I'm such an idiot. I never realized you can select different EQ and compressors in the Fat Channel. I will definitely start using it more now. Thanks Joe!
I use Analog Compressors more for character than general compression. As a rule, the aggressive FET Compressor works well on Drums while the smoother Opto Compressor works well on Vocals. You can't really over-compress using an Opto Compressor.
The release on an la2a slows down as it gets closer to zero so it never fully recovers on drums usually. FET compressors are more common because they fully release if you set it accordingly. LA2A is fixed attack and release.
You are a great addition to the PreSonus culture and offering. Tell your boss someone said so. I have followed you for years, and I think this is a great fit. And I'm a PreSonus lover too - it was first to 64-Bit alongside ProTools, and the UI of PreSonus is *still* infinitely superior to ProTools. But you've been a brother-from-another, Joe. Love ya, man!
I recently did some shootout comparisons between the Fat Channel SSL bus comp and the Cakewalk (ProChannel) version of the same. I had another (human) source provide me an option of the REAL SSL hardware with similar settings. It's amazing how deep you can go with these and other options and still come out the end with similar but different sounds. I also compared the Softube Console 1 to many of the FatChannel choices and REALLY liked the Console 1 in most cases. But it's really fun to play with ALL of the Sphere options in addition to these. A lot of this is about the FUN that you can have with mixing - not just quickly ramming through a mix! Which is part of why I subscribe to Sphere - to have options to choose from for each different circumstance. Thanks for the video.
I just noticed that your solo'd vocal was right on the beats, whereas from the finished mix, I thought the lead vox timing was on the off accent or syncopated (wrong words here I'm not technical ) etc. Shows me how tight n solid the performance needs to be. Cheers for another great vid!
The tube compressor doesn't behave like an LA2A on the release for some reason. Maybe Presonus saw it as an improvement but you cant control it which is strange if your going to model it after an LA2A
I'm a fan of both. I wonder if the TubeComp has a softer knee that creates the "ramp up" effect? When I use the standard compressor and soften the knee, I notice a similar effect to how the compression reacts.
La2a's usually have 10 ms attack and dual stage release. Linear fast release for transients and log slow release for sustain. But I'm not completely sure
Looks like it. It's kinda modeled after an LA-2A, I'm guessing, and that's supposed to have a 10ms attack (on average, depends on the signal going through it... opto/tubes, man).
@@EversonBernardes yeh it's definitely an LA2A but I don't know what unit they modeled. I love opto compressors so I many other opto compressor plugjns and hardware opto compressors and this is by far the fasted one. I did a video on my RUclips channel comparing all the fat channel plugjns to third party if your interested
@@TheAudioCzar I wondered the same thing as I watched this...did they model the silver, grey, or the original? they all had different characteristics in attack/release/tone. It would be nice if they modeled all three.
FET for drums and percussion due to fast attack and Opto for vocals due to slower attack and fast release. Setting a fast attack on vocals kills/dulls a lot of the initial information of the transients, which results in a more pushed back vocal in a mix. For your main vocals you want the vocals to be upfront, so FET compressors are a poor choice for lead vocals, especially for tracking. Fast attack for vocals is generally avoided by mixing engineers that actually know what they are doing. :)
I don't think you nessecarily need to use slow attack on vocals or that it is wrong to use fairly fast attack times. Using fast attack and release times can help to make a vocal more consistant some times and to really bring it upfront. It always depens on your intetion and the voice. On the other side a slow attack can help with (rythmic) pronounciation (e.g with rap vocals very good)
@@presonus It is a quality of life thing that simply makes it easier and faster to get a good mix. This would be even better for those just honing the skill and tone of compression. The option to shut off auto-gain should be present when you just need it for gain staging to the next plugin
@@presonus I wish PreSonus would stop avoiding mentioning which analog equipment these are modeled after. Would have saved me some research if I knew I already had an 1176 model in the Fat Channel. 😃
I like Presonus things a lot, but they need to improve the quality of their plug-ins. A quick comparison allows us to conclude that they do not come close to the quality of the competitors' plug-ins and do not behave in the expected way of a 1176 or LA2A, being generally very skittish, even adjusting the input gain to the level of work of the analog equipment. There are several interesting comparisons on the home recording made easy channel.
You are right, I agree with you. However the extension pack of the fat channel has some very good emulations of other compressors like the SSL, and the DBX. And some good eqs like the dangerous and the API. Probably they should update the ones that come with the standard version of the fat channel.
we all have choices and what works for you works for you, at the end of the day if the song sounds great on a CD, on the Radio, in a Movie or Soundtrack, job done.
because it acts fast on the transient which sharpens the sound by closing down on the ringing of a drum. A slower attach would allow more of the ringing through before the compressor closed down which will give a more "pillowy" sound
Once again Joe has no clue what he's talking about! Why PreSonus keeps using him is beyond me? Just let Gregor do all these videos in the future, he's so much more competent and also knows Studio One much better.
It's common knowledge for audio engineers to avoid fast attack settings and compressors for vocals, unless you want to push the vocals further back in the mix/3D sound field. Unfortunately it isn't common enough. 😂
Yeah... i got that feeling listening to many of his vids... He's a nice guy and he did give me a couple of good ideas/advice throughout the years, but also got me shaking my head a lot.. like in this one i'm like "match the gain man!!"
@@officialWWM If you turn on the key filter, you can select which frequencies you want the compressor to listen for. So lets say you want to de-ess your vocals. You set it so it's only picking up really high frequencies. It'll still compress the whole signal that you're feeding it, but it'll only do so when it hears those high sibilant sounds. In other words it'll leave your track alone until it hears sound in the range you've selected and then it'll compress the whole signal.
Can i record myvocals with an 1176 a revision and a 4:1 ratio..? I mean will my engineer face problems when compressing afterwards to get the best results afterwards? I love that 1176 a revision Sound.
I was reading several days ago an article about using EQ before Comp and some comments that preferred the opposite. Maybe you can do a video comparing that. This is the article. Read the comments as well to get the big picture: www.recordingrevolution.com/why-i-place-eq-before-compression-when-mixing/
They sound similar cause these are bad examples of these compressors lol. Analog Obsession plugins are free and better than the paid stuff, thank me later.
to each their own opinion on that one, what works for you works for you, what works for others, works for others. that's it, just because it's free, doesn't mean it works for everybody. free isn't always good.
@@ampstudios sure I agree. I have thousands of dollars worth of paid plugin though and I use Analog Obsession and Air Windows plugins almost exclusively. I'm losing on my investments in those paid plugins if I don't use them so why wouldn't I use them if they were better. It's about what comes out of the speakers at the end of the day so use what you want. Also, I never said because it's free it's better. I said it's better and it happens to be free. Actually both are supported on patron so not free but free to download. But bruh your comment has no relevance to what I was saying lol
" the snare, instead of having a little bsssshhh, it has more of a bbbsssshhh" 😂
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Shouldn't it be....... Whhhaaaappphhhaaaahhhhh
abbas ahmed 😂😂
I was mastering a track yesterday, and I was attempting to use a VCA style compressor (Slate's VBC-Red), and I just couldn't get it the attack just right. I then did the "unthinkable" - I put a stock PreSonus compressor on the mastering session. I did it as a "goof" - something I had never tried. But I ended up keeping it because the fine control over attack time was just what I needed. Moral of the story: Don't underestimate the stock PreSonus plugins. And the Fat Channel compressors are even more unique and useful.
Golden Rule of Audio -
If it sounds good, it IS good 👍🏽
Compressors aside, my biggest go-to in the Fat Channel is the 'Vintage EQ'. It's supposedly modeled on the Neve 1073. It's dirt simple to use and it imparts a little cream on top. Can't live without it. The 'Passive EQ' is modeled on a Pultec. It's good too. ✌
I believe the tube compressor is modeled after the LA2A, which I believe is known for a slower attack, good for applications where you want to preserve some transients.
That was my Impression as well.
Also the tube comp sounded more digital to me.
I don't know what that means digital sounding hahaha
Boiiii , slam that damn FET on those dead kicks !!
I like the FET comp for vocals definitely can feel that warmth
I'm such an idiot. I never realized you can select different EQ and compressors in the Fat Channel. I will definitely start using it more now. Thanks Joe!
Ur not alone brooo 😂
Using both in tandem sounds like the smartest move ;-)
in vocals always my match is FET for vocal leads (enhances dynamics, presence, punchier) and Tube for background vocals (consistent, softer, smoother)
You are doing it all wrong. 😂
@@thatchinaboi well, works for me
@@thatchinaboi know it all kiss ass
I use Analog Compressors more for character than general compression. As a rule, the aggressive FET Compressor works well on Drums while the smoother Opto Compressor works well on Vocals. You can't really over-compress using an Opto Compressor.
Yup. This should be basic knowledge.
Excellent comparison, thanks for doing this Joe.
As ever great video dude! Thank you! I'm a big fan of the tube comp especially for slamming heavy vocals to add that extra aggression.
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The release on an la2a slows down as it gets closer to zero so it never fully recovers on drums usually. FET compressors are more common because they fully release if you set it accordingly. LA2A is fixed attack and release.
Thank you Joe
You are a great addition to the PreSonus culture and offering. Tell your boss someone said so. I have followed you for years, and I think this is a great fit. And I'm a PreSonus lover too - it was first to 64-Bit alongside ProTools, and the UI of PreSonus is *still* infinitely superior to ProTools. But you've been a brother-from-another, Joe. Love ya, man!
Thanks! 😊 - Joe Gilder
Thank you so much! This helped me a bunch!
I recently did some shootout comparisons between the Fat Channel SSL bus comp and the Cakewalk (ProChannel) version of the same. I had another (human) source provide me an option of the REAL SSL hardware with similar settings. It's amazing how deep you can go with these and other options and still come out the end with similar but different sounds. I also compared the Softube Console 1 to many of the FatChannel choices and REALLY liked the Console 1 in most cases. But it's really fun to play with ALL of the Sphere options in addition to these. A lot of this is about the FUN that you can have with mixing - not just quickly ramming through a mix! Which is part of why I subscribe to Sphere - to have options to choose from for each different circumstance. Thanks for the video.
I just noticed that your solo'd vocal was right on the beats, whereas from the finished mix, I thought the lead vox timing was on the off accent or syncopated (wrong words here I'm not technical ) etc. Shows me how tight n solid the performance needs to be. Cheers for another great vid!
The tube compressor doesn't behave like an LA2A on the release for some reason. Maybe Presonus saw it as an improvement but you cant control it which is strange if your going to model it after an LA2A
is presonus going to make a distressor emultion?
I can not find that "campare versions button" could you show that a bit more clearly???pls
Can you also do a FAT Channel Passive EQ Vs. Vintage EQ?
I think I´ve never used the stock plugin since The Fat Channel exists lol!!! ALWAYS GREAT VIDEOS JOE!!!
Activen los subtítulos en español latino por favor! Compré algunos productos de Presonus y necesito ayuda pero no domino el idioma inglés!
That drum beat is totally rad!!
So you think my singing's out of time
It makes me money
And I don't know why!
I'm a fan of both. I wonder if the TubeComp has a softer knee that creates the "ramp up" effect? When I use the standard compressor and soften the knee, I notice a similar effect to how the compression reacts.
Have the two compressors been updated with version 5? Nice video by the way.
estaria de lujo, que, o traducen los videos, o los subtitulan. gracias
La2a and 1176 emulations right? Which means the the Tube(2a) has a pretty slow attack if I'm not mistaken
La2a's usually have 10 ms attack and dual stage release. Linear fast release for transients and log slow release for sustain. But I'm not completely sure
For an opto compressor the tube comp has a very quick attack and release
Looks like it. It's kinda modeled after an LA-2A, I'm guessing, and that's supposed to have a 10ms attack (on average, depends on the signal going through it... opto/tubes, man).
@@EversonBernardes yeh it's definitely an LA2A but I don't know what unit they modeled. I love opto compressors so I many other opto compressor plugjns and hardware opto compressors and this is by far the fasted one. I did a video on my RUclips channel comparing all the fat channel plugjns to third party if your interested
@@TheAudioCzar I'll definitely check it out, thanks a lot!
@@EversonBernardes just search fat channel audio czar. I also did one with the EQ's to
@@TheAudioCzar I wondered the same thing as I watched this...did they model the silver, grey, or the original? they all had different characteristics in attack/release/tone. It would be nice if they modeled all three.
In my opion the tube Compressor sounds like it more beefy and in your face. AH you just said the same thing about what it did with the vocals.
How do I buy the add on?
FET for drums and percussion due to fast attack and Opto for vocals due to slower attack and fast release. Setting a fast attack on vocals kills/dulls a lot of the initial information of the transients, which results in a more pushed back vocal in a mix. For your main vocals you want the vocals to be upfront, so FET compressors are a poor choice for lead vocals, especially for tracking. Fast attack for vocals is generally avoided by mixing engineers that actually know what they are doing. :)
I track vocals with my hardware 1176, i just dial down the attack time.. But thanks for the info and perspective on the subject! ✌
I don't think you nessecarily need to use slow attack on vocals or that it is wrong to use fairly fast attack times. Using fast attack and release times can help to make a vocal more consistant some times and to really bring it upfront. It always depens on your intetion and the voice. On the other side a slow attack can help with (rythmic) pronounciation (e.g with rap vocals very good)
Auto-gain compensation should be in all plugins
It's an interesting idea, but these are modeled after actual analog gear, which doesn't have auto-gain compensation.
@@presonus It is a quality of life thing that simply makes it easier and faster to get a good mix. This would be even better for those just honing the skill and tone of compression. The option to shut off auto-gain should be present when you just need it for gain staging to the next plugin
@@presonus I wish PreSonus would stop avoiding mentioning which analog equipment these are modeled after. Would have saved me some research if I knew I already had an 1176 model in the Fat Channel. 😃
00:35 Name one person who _owns_ PreSonus Sphere. You can't.
@@bassc He's being pedantic - "owns" versus "rents" since it's a subscription model.
@@bassc 🤦♂️
Hi, Joe. Great video.
Thanks Romano - Joe Gilder
I like Presonus things a lot, but they need to improve the quality of their plug-ins. A quick comparison allows us to conclude that they do not come close to the quality of the competitors' plug-ins and do not behave in the expected way of a 1176 or LA2A, being generally very skittish, even adjusting the input gain to the level of work of the analog equipment. There are several interesting comparisons on the home recording made easy channel.
You are right, I agree with you. However the extension pack of the fat channel has some very good emulations of other compressors like the SSL, and the DBX. And some good eqs like the dangerous and the API. Probably they should update the ones that come with the standard version of the fat channel.
we all have choices and what works for you works for you, at the end of the day if the song sounds great on a CD, on the Radio, in a Movie or Soundtrack, job done.
if FET has fast attack, why are the drum attacks sharper?
because it acts fast on the transient which sharpens the sound by closing down on the ringing of a drum. A slower attach would allow more of the ringing through before the compressor closed down which will give a more "pillowy" sound
Life is one big disappointment
Great vid Joe. but 50ms is not half a second :))
what type of compressor is the native studio plug-in compressor?
It's just a regular ol' compressor. It's not modeled after anything. It's nice and clean, but pretty powerful. - Joe Gilder
The tube comp doesn’t really feel or sound like it’s good at all
Once again Joe has no clue what he's talking about! Why PreSonus keeps using him is beyond me? Just let Gregor do all these videos in the future, he's so much more competent and also knows Studio One much better.
It's common knowledge for audio engineers to avoid fast attack settings and compressors for vocals, unless you want to push the vocals further back in the mix/3D sound field. Unfortunately it isn't common enough. 😂
Yeah... i got that feeling listening to many of his vids... He's a nice guy and he did give me a couple of good ideas/advice throughout the years, but also got me shaking my head a lot.. like in this one i'm like "match the gain man!!"
These feel a little off from other emulations at least
At least the la2a one
The quality is bad compared to Slate & UAD. U can do it better presonus.
Sphere subscription plan is not fair
If it's not a good fit for you, you ca still buy Studio One Professional just like you've always been able to. - Joe Gilder
Has anyone else noticed how these compressors act when the key filter is turned on at the minimum value?
German Gomez I've never tried it cause I have no idea what it does 😂
@@officialWWM If you turn on the key filter, you can select which frequencies you want the compressor to listen for. So lets say you want to de-ess your vocals. You set it so it's only picking up really high frequencies. It'll still compress the whole signal that you're feeding it, but it'll only do so when it hears those high sibilant sounds. In other words it'll leave your track alone until it hears sound in the range you've selected and then it'll compress the whole signal.
GregVKMusic oh wow, thanks for the explanation. That's a really handy thing to know :)
Opto comps???
yea the tube comp is opto compressor. i guess similar the LA-2A
Can i record myvocals with an 1176 a revision and a 4:1 ratio..? I mean will my engineer face problems when compressing afterwards to get the best results afterwards? I love that 1176 a revision Sound.
I was reading several days ago an article about using EQ before Comp and some comments that preferred the opposite. Maybe you can do a video comparing that. This is the article. Read the comments as well to get the big picture:
www.recordingrevolution.com/why-i-place-eq-before-compression-when-mixing/
Yeah if you search my name an EQ before compression you'll see a video about it. - Joe Gilder
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I don't rate these compressors..get CLA2A $25
They sound similar cause these are bad examples of these compressors lol. Analog Obsession plugins are free and better than the paid stuff, thank me later.
Thanks! I wasn't aware of his stuff, but I'll check it out. They certainly look very cool (much like Mr. Gilder's new frames!).
to each their own opinion on that one, what works for you works for you, what works for others, works for others. that's it, just because it's free, doesn't mean it works for everybody. free isn't always good.
@@ampstudios sure I agree. I have thousands of dollars worth of paid plugin though and I use Analog Obsession and Air Windows plugins almost exclusively. I'm losing on my investments in those paid plugins if I don't use them so why wouldn't I use them if they were better. It's about what comes out of the speakers at the end of the day so use what you want. Also, I never said because it's free it's better. I said it's better and it happens to be free. Actually both are supported on patron so not free but free to download. But bruh your comment has no relevance to what I was saying lol