Cesar Millan - Actually a Dog Whisperer? | A Veterinarian Explains | Popular Person IV
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Join Dr. Em in this week's Popular Person video about Cesar Millan. Should you be learning everything you can from his work or running as far away as you possibly can?
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The amount of people insisiting you know nothing about a subject pertaining to a field that is your CAREER and something im sure you've spent a large part of your life learning about is crazy. Yes, he "apparently" has results and you don't... Except they choose to ignore the tools you are providing to do at least a miniscule amount of research for themselves.
Also your responses to others in the comments are some of the most kind things i have ever read. Thank you for this video and for taking the time to disseminate all of this information.
I truly appreciate your comment, thank you ☺️
It is true that there's a varying amount of knowledge and expertise in behavior modification amongst veterinarians (just like there is for every single subject in every single career). I absolutely love behavior and have done a lot of CE and work over the decades to learn as much as I possibly can in order to help my patients in the best ways possible. So for people who are willing to learn I am incredibly happy to share additional, more in depth information and answer questions. That said, there's a lot that simply isn't possible/appropriate to try to manage via comments over social media... Management of the environment, the person's mechanics, and timing are very important aspects of any behavior modification plan and those are all things that require working in person with someone in order to tailor the plan appropriately!
Over the years I have lost most of my willingness to interact with those who are being rude/deliberately obtuse as they are not acting in good faith. I just hope that someone else will eventually be able to get through to them in the future, for their animals' sake. Their animals deserve to be treated kindly and ethically, without pain and fear.
I’m a huge neuroscience nerd by night, trauma therapist by day and my mind was completely blown by this video… it makes SO much sense ! Dogs are so much more like us than we thought in terms of how trauma impacts them and us! I knew a little about dog body posture and behavior but seeing that in conjunction with the reaction of Caesar being around was mind blowing! The pup reacted almost identical to a kiddo I was treating when we brought the parent in for a family session (it was heartbreaking) but so fascinating! In 2023 my partner and I adopted an extremely traumatized dog and we were going about it through the lens of how a child with ptsd would need to be handled because honestly that’s what I know. I did a super gradual exposure hiearchy with him (way way slower than a human bc he can’t tell me when he’s out of his window of tolerance) it did wonders, he was afraid of outside and just the gentle I’m here, and affection did a lot for him! The answer is love and comfort! Thank you for making this video, I know it was so hard to watch but this is so informative and reassuring because I’ve had people kind of critique me because of all this stupid “you have to be the alpha” crap Cesar has spread around! ❤
I agree with some of the things that you spoke about but not everything. I've used one of Caesar Milan's videos to help me with one of my pet bone aggression that came out of the blue. I watched his video and did exactly what he said to do. I was able to succeed and work out his bone aggression. I never had any more problems with taking a bone away from my dog. And no, I do not just take a bone out of his mouth. When I want him to stop chewing on the bone, I will tell him to drop it and to leave it. I reward with a treat. Then, I can safely take the bone away.
What’d you do to train him?
I do want to see you working with different types of dogs that have behaviors issues. I hear your theories. I want to see the practical sides of it.
You can start by checking out all the additional videos linked in the description. There are examples of real, ethical, wonderful, trainers and there is more in depth info about behavior modification.
can you please make a video of Beckmans dogtraining? I think he is a very good dogtrainer and I want your opion about him. :)
I'm not familiar with them and will absolutely add them to my list - thank you for the recommendation!
I love Victoria Stilwell. She only does positive reinforcement. She never verbally or physically abuses dogs.
She's great! ❤️
Thank you. Seems like you would do especially well based on your experience training aggressive red zone canines. 👍🏾
Have you considered doing a video on reading body language for various species? My husband can't recognize when our cat is getting overstimulated and he needs to stop offering petting, and I think a video with examples would be far more helpful than an article. (The cartoons at 33:00 are a nice start, but a video would be even better.)
I *love* this idea! I'll add it to my list of future video topics 👍
Literally Google, and use that info to put two and two together. For example, as a dog owner, I know tail wagging can mean a good thing, but also mean stress. To determine the difference, I see if her body is tense or relaxed, ears are pressed back or perked, etc
Wow, how come this video has so few likes? It's a great explanation of what is actually happening there!
Thank you - your comment is greatly appreciated 💜
Thank you Dr Em. I am discovering the no harm approaches, because the harming ones are so popular and I can’t understand and thank you so much for this amazing and helpful video. Why is P+ so popular ? It’s awful.
Thank you so much for every explanation, because it helps so much to understand dogs
Welcome to VMC! Thank you so much for this very lovely comment - it's made my day.
You are so very correct, +P is so harmful and awful. I think it's 'popular' because of a combination of: a lack of standardized accreditation in training, a lack of understanding by the general public of behavior modification, and a lack of understanding of the learner's body language (which makes people mistake things like learned helplessness as 'quick success'). But that's just my best guess, I'm not aware of any research on the topic in particular, so take it with a grain of salt!
But that's why I'm making these sorts of videos - I am hoping to help people learn research based best practices! If you ever have a topic you want me to cover in the future, don't hesitate to let me know - I'm happy to add it to my list of future video topics!
@@VetMedCorner 🙏🙏🙏Thank you again so much for this insightful explanation. When I watched this video yesterday, I felt so much pain and anger as these techniques are mostly harming dogs but also their human companions who really think it s ok (and some of them have the official authorisation to physically punish their companions when ‘experts’ tell them that they shall do this and that….) Your video helped so much to understand dog’s subtle but very clear signs of distress and also what learned helplessness means and looks like.
And you went through all these painful moments feeling with the poor dogs to make everyone aware of the absolut nonsense of the interpretation of the behaviour expressed by the dog as a success. Thank you so much for your passionate fight for a better welfare of non human animals.
I am looking forward to discover all of your past and future videos on dogs and yesterday I also discovered a whole playlist about cats. That’s dedication with heart (and a scientific background 🐾🍀🥰)
(sorry if I write sometimes weird expressions, I am absolutely not a native speaker 😅).
Your writing is excellent! No need to apologize.
Thank you for your comments, it means a lot to me that you take the time to share your thoughts with me! I hope that you enjoy some of the other videos as well!
What's p+?
@louisechambers8253 I cover the quadrants of behavior modification and more information about what they mean in these two videos (there are also others linked in the video description, if you are interested!).
Positive Reinforcement ruclips.net/video/mYufzUy0JJI/видео.html
Punishment ruclips.net/video/mr1xxZdtMYA/видео.html
It's a good question, thank you for asking!
I'm glad you mention him because he had a "cult" following. People who wanted big strong dogs but did not know how to care or train them properly. Millan comes along and hangs dogs by the lead and dogs hit the ground gasping and "Oh wow that's cool he trained the dog to calm down" . These poor people had not a clue. Millan was sued many times, and lost his share. He has changed dog teaching into psychological damage to many dogs. Glad he faded away.
Thank you for covering this. The popularity of his tv show has harmed an enormous amount of dogs. I have spent so much time cleaning up the messes caused by people believing that they should alpha roll their dogs. It was such a popular and dangerous intervention, leading to many bites and guarding. Thankfully he and these methods, have become less popular
Thank you for all the wonderful work you do teaching people how to work with their dogs in a safe, ethical and research based way. 🥰
I'm so grateful he's become less popular, although there's been a bit of a resurgence lately with his most recent show that he started up after the pandemic started... Hopefully he continues to lose popularity as people learn what the current standard of care is.
Do you have any +R trainer recommendations for me to react to when I do the next video to contrast this one?
You are completely totally incorrect. Veterinary behaviourists literally specialize in treating those types of dogs without causing immense harm. You need to watch the videos contrasting ethical, humane, research based trainers to this along with the videos on positive reinforcement, punishment and dominance.
not sure if you are speaking soft spoken because you don’t feel well but it’s very soothing
Love this video, thank you!
💜🐾 I appreciate you leaving a comment!
Sorry for your loss Dr. Em. This episode was very difficult to watch and I am upset people feel these are the right ways to treat a sentient being instead of using positive reinforcement training with respect and understanding of an animal’s psychology and physiology.
In future it would be very informative to show a contrasting video of a similar situation with a positive reinforcement trainer.
As you saw, it's so awful that it made me cry. I am so very glad there are people who are like you and using ethical, research based +R. Thank you for being so wonderful 💜
Do you have any +R suggestions for me? I'm going to change my video schedule and put that comparison up next as I think people need to see them back to back.
I hope your videos rreach more people. There is a way to alter the videos so that they get more views. Shorter, more punchy. The short videos can also recommend the longer videos. Super doable. Thank you soooo much for this amazing content. We need the public to get valuable info, and it's our responsibility to make that happen. Lets do it!
Is this you volunteering to edit my longer videos into tiktok/shorts? I really appreciate it as my full time job as a GP veterinarian means that I am way in over my head just getting one educational YT video posted each week and I could definitely use the help!
Otherwise, if my 6 figures of student debt was paid off then I could work my day job less and have more time and energy to focus way more time/energy on sharing online educational information!
But, until one of those changes happens, I am stuck!
@@VetMedCorner I totally understand what you mean (I'm a dentist). I'm super interested in volunteering to edit a video for you. Your videos are super easy to edit and you did a lot of the work already. I'll try my hardest to be in touch as soon as I finish this major TNR video that's taking up a lot of time. I'm all about helping the animals because what I'm seeing on the ground is traumatic, and needs to be solved as soon as possible. Thank you, and I'm sure you'll reach more people with your amazing analysis
That would be amazing!!!! Feel free to email whenever you find yourself with some extra time in your hands and we can figure something out!
I'm so grateful for your comment - thank you ☺️
I really just enjoy this, so I don't see it as exhausting. Making high quality content to help the welfare of animals 😸 I'll be in touch. Thank you!
Thank you!
I was raised according to a book called To Train Up a Child, which is essentially a book about how to abuse your kid and raise them to fear you (also resulted in multiple child deaths by other parents who were apparently following it). Caesar’s “training” is like the dog version of that book, for real. I hated seeing him on TV as a kid because it gave me anxiety. The way he dominates and forces the dogs to submit is so similar.
I've never heard of this book and my heart breaks hearing about it 💔 I am so very sorry that you were subjected such horrific abuse. Please don't subject yourself to this video, what CM does is appalling (I ended up in tears). The next videos I did (showing positive reinforcement trainers), would be a much better choice as there's no animal abuse, the dogs are eager learners who are enjoying interacting with the human and who are given the choice to interact or to not.
I feel the same... Milan reminds me of my father who was beating my mum and terrorised me... Milan has insecurity issues and uses/abuses dogs to be validated as “strong man”. That’s toxic. Dogs are not props to support one’s fragile ego. They deserve respect. And Milan should go see a therapist to fix his mental issues and stay the fuck away from animals!
I am so very sorry that you went through all of that with your father 💔
I've noted the same toxicity in the men who come on here and tell me I don't know what I am talking about and how CM is the absolute best... Its horrendous.
@@VetMedCorner Thank you for your compassion. I’m not surprised you are being belittled by people who abuse animals. They must know deep down most people think they’re screwed-up with insecurities and ego issues. They kick the vulnerable ones, but coy in fear and submit when facing those who are really strong. My dad would not go after men he knew he couldn’t measure up; no problem hurting women, kids, elderly and pets at home. People admire heroes, not bullies. And all those who see in Milan an example have serious psy problems. This man is not reliable.
I saw how he punched a lab while the dog was eating (can’t he just give the dog some space? That’s a basic right), and he strangled a dog (Shadow) until submission. And also he let a dog tear the ears of live pigs!…
WTF 😳 How is that ok?!
They start with animals, then they act the same way with people. You want to eat dinner alone without someone hovering, bam! A punch in the throat! You don’t do what they want? A a kick, an insult, violence…
And it’s your fault (never theirs!) because you “dared having your own needs”, wants, choices, personality that they can’t stand nor control.
That’s what CM teaches people, and I’m concerned some boys are influenced by that psycho (especially boys who didn’t have any healthy masculine role model in their life).
Can’t anybody see the toxicity here?! The danger to teach people that this abborhant behaviour should be the norm/ good way?!
We KNOW abusing someone (humans and pets) create life-long damages, death in some tragic cases. There’s no benefit, except for the insecure abuser or/and anti-social control freak who gets narcissistic fuel from those he uses and hurt.
Denial of a problem is a sure way to not address it. Some may think they’re strong for terrorising pets and people, but all they prove is their weakness. They’re bullies.
The genuinely strong men I know are leaders - they lead with understanding and by setting an example and healthy boundaries - with respect. They provide safety, they give assurance so those they support grow happily and thrive.
They know respect and trust must be earned; nobody’s entitled to it. Their behaviour is admirable, and that’s why everyone (dogs too) follow them.
But then, strong people work hard to be responsible leaders and providers, and I notice a lot of abusers don’t want to make any real efforts. They have 0 patience, so they kick until their victim submit. They can go to hell.
Our German Shepherd ran away from home. When I could, I escaped too. My dad died despised by everyone. I didn’t show up to his funerals, neither did my grand-parents (of both sides). Everyone is relieved.
Authority is not authoritarianism.
Admiration and respect are earned with hard-work, patience, care, attention, results. Even dogs get that. Rules exist to make everyone safe, not for one person to feel powerful at the expense of others.
Sorry for the rant… 😔
I got upset after watching a few vids of Milan and reading his fans’ comments. The damages that they cause is heart-breaking…
Look up my mentor, Dr. Ian Dunbar. In the late 80's 90's he began off leash puppy training before anyone else. My jr. Service Dog is named after him
I'm very familiar with Dr. Dunbar and his work. Thank you for the recommendation!
Thank you for covering an episode on his newest show, this proves that Cesar has not changed, like many people claim. His techniques might not be hanging and choking dogs anymore but he still relies on (painful) tools and flooding to “train” dogs and still spreads misinformation like the dominance/alpha theory to his followers.
Cesar is still immensely popular, here in Europe too (even though all his shows (and him) are banned in every European country, but his social media is still accessible). Dogs are misunderstood and mistreated on a daily basis because of his influence. Dog trainers here have to change people’s mindset about dogs all the time, especially the dominance theory seems to run deep.
You are so very right - it's horrendous and has set back dog training by decades...
I did a separate video on dominance theory (separate from punishment) purely because of CM and how many people fall for the things they see him do. It's so incredibly frustrating.
Thank you so much for your comment, it's very appreciated 😊
I'm also really sorry to hear about your grandma.
Thank you. That means so much to me.
so good! can you please do that with balance dog trainers? 😍
Also want to add I live with a dog who is extremely dog aggressive. Shes a great dog very people friendly. But I handle the other by keeping her away from other dogs. I dont put her in any situation where she could make a bad choice. Shes also a very large pitbull
I just found your channel through this video, and subscribed.
I really appreciate you taking the time to make this video. It’s such a heavy subject. Enraging the amount of people who have adopted his training style.
I believe the network was warned about his methods being abusive by AKC (or some other, don’t remember the exact one) before ever airing his first show. They ignored it because they knew people would looove the show. So much harm has been caused by these people it’s heartbreaking.
Ps: one RUclipsr I’m taking notes from is kikopup. If you want to watch someone being able to train her dogs to do amazing things purely through positive reinforcement.
Welcome to VMC 😊 I'm so glad you found the channel!
It's such a heavy subject, thank you for the incredibly kind comment.
I'll also check out Kikopup - sounds wonderful 👍 thank you for the recommendation!
I will only be convinced if a positive reinforcement proponent can show me how to rehabilitate a crazy aggressive Cane Corso, Presa Canario or Boerboel without cuts.
I will never be convinced with words.
Not only is R+ used for all breeds of dogs successfully, it's also used successfully for all sorts of zoo species that are far more dangerous than any dog...
Best answer ever @@VetMedCorner . This bullshit that it doesn't work on "working big dogs" is getting old.
Nah… Cesar is a clown. Cash grab because we can see he records everything. Just dominating an animal doesn’t do anything. Don’t need words to prove any of that. Kicking an animal to get them to calm down does nothing. The animal at this point is just trying to survive. Again no words needed to prove what’s on the screen
@@keithgreene8489 my ears will never be a pathway to believe. My eyes will tell me if it works.
@@keithgreene8489 you are known by your works, not your empty words. Show me 1.
When I joined the pet care industry, I remember being part of a Facebook group where pet professionals would gush about joining his boot camp for wannabe trainers. The damage he is responsible for is immeasurable.
Oof - that's devastating. 💔 I hope that those people have since learned and been able to change. Immeasurable damage is an excellent description...
It’s a stereotype (and often true) that Americans don’t know how to control or train their dogs, and often have aggressive and violent dogs. I feel like a HUGE part of that is Ceasar. Almost everyone I knew watched him and tried to train their dogs using his methods when I was growing up.
It makes me so incredibly sad and angry 😢
You mentioned you were unsure of how Cesar met Will and Jada Smith. Here is how….Cesar trained some Police K9’s briefly, as well as a-lot of the Officers personal family dogs. Which made him known to LAPD. When he had his dog facility in Los Angeles he would walk them off leash (Several Dogs off Leash). This is not exactly Legal in Los Angeles. But also not the worst crime one could commit. Cesar would be on roller blades most of the time. LAPD would look the other way because he knew many of them and there was never an issue. Will or Jada driving by saw this. Will and Jada had 5 Rottweilers at the time. They were wondering how this guy controlled all those off Leash Dogs and pulled over to talk to him. During that talk asked if Cesar could train their 5 Rottweilers. Cesar accepted and took the 5 Rottweilers. A few months later gave Will and Jada their dogs back. Will and Jada were impressed with the transformation of their 5 dogs and asides from the $$$ they paid Cesar decided to help him out. Soon after he os training Red Mans Pitt “Daddy” as well as other celebrities dogs. Soon after that the Dog Whisperer Started. You know the story from there but thats what and how with Will and Jada. I Love Your Video BTW.
Thank you so much for filling in that info for me, I appreciate it!
I'm so glad you liked the video, that means so much. Welcome to VMC!
@@VetMedCorner your your welcome. I was on season 1 of his show. A prayer for Nicky. After the show my mom was offered a job from Illusion his at the time wife. I will say he did a great job with Nicky. But my mom Kathleen decided to not work there anymore. Reason being the topic of your video. We are both Animal Lovers. I have to put it in my mind that nothing happened to Nicky because it would mentally kill me if I absolutely knew Nicky was abused and I caused it. Anyway thats how i know the story.
I really want to know your thoughts on a prayer for Nicky. But at the same time I’m afraid your honesty may be more than i can handle hearing. I started rescuing dogs a couple years ago. So far some how all Chihuahuas. 2 of the 7 got eaten by Coyotes, because they are rampant where i live. What a mentally traumatizing event it was for me. I will say if your an animal lover and decide to start rescuing them, you have to be mentally strong. Because when things go wrong they can go wrong in a hurry. Ultimately letting my rescued dogs out to use the bathroom at night unsupervised cost them their life and a horrific ending and its my fault. I guess there is a price to pay for helping dogs at times……sigh seems like being a dog can be a wonderful life or a horrible life depending on the luck of their draw with the type of owner they have.
I truly appreciate how vulnerable you have been with sharing all of this.
You might appreciate the videos I did highlighting research based, ethical, positive reinforcement trainers as a stark contrast to what CM does.
I always tell all my clients to never leave any of their pets outside without direct supervision because stories like yours (or a large variety of other horrific things) commonly occur.
All we can do is the best that we know how, and once we know better then we do better. I'm proud of you for learning and improving as you go.
@@VetMedCornerThank You. I wanted to be a Vet when i was younger. But luckily life went a different direction. Its funny ill be the first to condemn someone when i think they are abusing dogs. But looking in the mirror I’m the person who the abuse comes in the form of too many treats….causing health issues. I have gotten a lot better though. When Vets tell me i have a decision to make. My decision is usually there will be a miracle. There never is. And suffering gets prolonged. But again I’m getting better. And now i see the miracle. Its having them in my life. Even if for just a short time. And they make a miracle for another dog by making room when its their time. I had a NDE that helped me…because i saw my pets on the other side. I believe the event really happened. Skeptics say it was the brains response to a lack of Oxygen. But i know the event was real because i met someone on the other side that claimed to be my Brother. I dont have any full Brothers. His name was Christopher Lee. A name i have never heard. I at the time thought it was just a dream….until i told my mom. She looked shocked because she was never planning to tell me i had a brother that died before i was born. Now that i know they will be fine on the other side. My decision changed from there will be a miracle to there will be some compassion and suffering ends. Your furr babies will be waiting for you on the other side when the time comes. The experience turned an Agnostic to a believer in the spirit world. Thats what it took for me to be able to be kind at my fur baby’s end. The whole Oxygen thing seems completely overrated now. Lol. Take care.
Is a veterinian also a dog trainer?
www.dacvb.org/page/AnimalOwners
@@VetMedCorner so no, ur a pet doctor, not a trainer
Did you even use the link that explains how some veterinarians are specialists in animal behavior?
Thank you for your content ...can you do a dog daddy review ?
I do have one! Let me grab it for you!
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Thank you for exposing this man’s techniques! I have watched videos where he has made dogs more aggressive.
Yes, he would cause that. Research indicates that these sorts of 'techniques' increase aggressive behaviors in the dogs. It's one (of the many) reasons why it's inappropriate to 'train' this way
Can you show a video of how to train an aggressive dog. Since you say that this isn't the right way. I would like to see you train an aggressive dog..
There's additional information linked in the video description about positive reinforcement, highlighting research based and ethical trainers etc
Especially grateful on your insight on anxious dogs. I was lucky enough to have an extreme case on my hands, and all methods I could find online I tried and stopped immediately when I saw it shut her down even more. Just one try in the dog park, she started yelping and got bullied, I never went there again until she felt confident enough to do so. I think what helped the most was learning to read her body language and listening and engaging. Sometimes I needed to push her, for her own safety as well, but working with that treshold you speak of was something I did intuitively because it was immediate feedback. I wish I'd found you earlier although my sweet girl is no longer anxious, but that means I had a deep and meaningful understanding of all the things you mentioned here
My opinion is that this lady has an opinion that may or may not be any more right or wrong than Cesar. Unless people can actually talk to dogs, their opinion will be based on their own experience. I would imagine that both she and Cesar believe they know either what is right or is what has worked for them. To simply say that somebody else is wrong just because it doesn't align with your belief or approach is wrong.
Unfortunately, my sweet summer child, you are not an expert in the field of behavior modification and your comment does nothing other than demonstrate your immense lack of knowledge.
In order to learn about the decades of research in this field, you will find the links in the video description to be very helpful. This has nothing to do with 'belief' as the research is incredibly clear on the matter.
What is wrong is to abuse dogs and force them to go through things that are proven to be harmful. It's also incredibly wrong to not learn about and use best practices, and lastly it's wrong to turn a blind eye when witnessing others abusing animals. That goes directly against my oath as a veterinarian.
Idk where you get this enlightened "every opinion is justified" mindset from, but it is wrong and inherently anti-intellectual. You are comparing Cesar, who has no formal training, to this Vet who has specialized training in this specific area. And it's always anti-intellectual people that so desperately seek to place "personal experiences" over scientifically obtained knowledge which will never be the case.
Perhaps all the true experts say the same thing because it's true.
Please use the information in the video description to start to learn about what research based, ethical, appropriate behavior modification looks like.
I understand your pain and frustration watching this, and I understand why you didn't want to do it. I also can't watch these videos, but at least hearing somebody address all the mistakes and craziness that is obvious to me, and also things that I can't see as I'm not a behaviorist and veterinarian, is very comforting as I'm watching. People really need to see this, your thorough explanation might even trigger thought processes in people who are CM fans.
Thank you so very much for saying this, it's exactly what I needed to hear. I'm currently in the process of researching a new person who has been recently rising in popularity... and they are atrocious.
I appreciate you and am so proud of you for learning as much as you have! Keep up the awesome work ☺️
@@VetMedCorner That's great! I believe your videos are really important, so many can't see what's wrong with the "alpha" methods out there, and they have done so much harm.
The producers of his show (Dog Whisperer) were good at making it appear that his techniques worked. For people who don't understand how to train a dog with positive reinforcement. it would seem like a quick way to fix their problems. Years after I had seen his show, I volunteered at an animal shelter where they taught me how to identify signs that a dog is stressed and how to train dogs using positive reinforcement alone. It took me a while to get the hang of it, but I can see not only is it more humane, but it is also much more effective in the long run. My puppy is learning tricks I had assumed only other people could teach their dogs. It's amazing how eager they are to please when we make training fun. I'm glad I am on the right track, now.
I'm so glad that you were given that information and that you are doing such a wonderful job with your dog! Keep up the excellent work 💪
It's too hilarious seeing an actual professional debunk a clown dog artist LOL. Very informative video, thank you for taking time out of your practice to produce videos like these!
I struggled watching, it's such a horrific thing to witness. However, if it helps show others why it's unacceptable, then it's worth it.
Thank you for the kind comment, it means a lot! ☺️
Completely agree with you on all this!!! I have only been a dog owner for three years when I got my first two (rescue) dogs. Unfortunately I watched some of his videos. I soon understood this was not the way to go. My dogs are not "perfect" dogs but I do my best to let them enjoy life and keep a distance to situations they find stressful. Slow movements!
I'm so glad that you are now using +R, that's wonderful 😊 slow improvements are normal, and I'm glad you are doing such great work caring for your dogs! Keep it up 💪
Thank you, colleague, for posting this. Have you seen the infamous Holly video? It's even worse. He took a dog with resource guarding but no bite history and loomed over her food bowl poking at her, ignoring all warning signs until she bit him badly.
That's incredibly appalling and also not at all surprising 😢😩
That poor dog 💔
@@VetMedCorner it was awful. He took her to his Dog "Psychology" Center and ended up keeping her.
That's immensely upsetting. I absolutely hate how so many people are completely fooled by CMs dangerous disinformation
Great video, you have a good eye for reading the dog's emotions.
One thing I'll criticize is the dog walking in front part.. I think Ceasar could have made clearer that he believes the you should walk the dog, instead of the dog walking you.. he makes the dog's aware that he is going for a walk and the dog is lucky to join
But I agree with you, the dog being in front slightly is fine as long as they're not pulling
Love your videos, very interesting!
I hate to say it but...this is why i never left my gs male alone with the vet, and why when I was younger my barn had a no vet techs holding stallions or young horses rule. I have a huge problem with animal abuse, but i have never witnessed positive feedback being deployed effectively in the midst of real and intentional violence. Positive should be 99+% of interactions, ideally all of them, but they get a say too.
I was hoping you would talk about this clown at some point. I have a doberman and a husky and I can't tell you how many people have recommended Cesar Milan's training to me (unsolicited, of course) because they see me with two "difficult" breeds even though both of my dogs are very well behaved and trained. I'm just like, yeah that's a harrrrrrrd pass.
I am so so so grateful that you know better and your dogs are so incredibly lucky to have you caring for them 💜
While editing I removed so so so many sighs and forehead rubbing moments... Reacting to that near broke me, and I was struck by the gradual change in my body language the further into the video I got.
I hope that this video can help other people see the stress and distress that this 'training' causes and that it will help them to find a research based +R trainer to work with.
Speaking of excellent trainers - do you have a suggestion for who I should watch in contrast to CM?
@@VetMedCorner The Dog Liaison is great! She specifically works with anxious dogs and I think aggressive dogs as well. Victoria Stilwell is also great. I really appreciate the fact that she owns up to her training mistakes in the past. She used to believe in dominance/pack theory but now she's R+.
This is wonderful! Thank you!
Off the top of my head, I was also thinking of Hannah Brannigan and Kikopup on RUclips (I don't remember her name right now)
@@wetsand7379 I used a lot of Victoria stillwell techniques on my last collie her techniques can be pretty effective but she works on entire situation & is training dog unlike ceaser who only wants to dominate I went for more balanced approach gentle correction plus positive reinforced behaviour with clicker takes months but more effective
So hard to watch. I watched Cesar at one time but real life changed my attention to other things. In between a friend referred me to dog trainer Zak George. What a difference. His methods are humane, respectful of the dog, positive. If you have a chance I would love to see you react to some of his videos.
Thank you for the recommendation - I will add them to my list!
I'm a dog lover and owner myself and i don't agree with some of what Cesar Millan practices, but videos like these are prime examples of cherry picking. The fact that you have to dig hard to find an handful of examples of Cesar making the occasional mistakes is proof that he knows what he's doing. I think that you are confusing dog training with dog behaviourism. A dog does not have psychological problems if they don't know "sit", assuming they haven't been taught how. We're not talking about general dog training advice, which applies to all dogs, this is about dogs with psychological problems such as food aggression or dog aggression. For dogs with psychological problems, you have to take a different approach and you need to be a speciailist in dog behaviour, not in dog training. It's a completely dishonest take to say that Cesar Millan is cruel, he obviously isn't and he clearly loves animals. His success with his own dogs is a testament to this. Considering the fact that he's only been bitten once on camera in all of his career, and considering how agressive the dogs he deals with tend to be, he's obviously very knowledgeable.
You are completely mistaken. I grabbed an episode at random. Every episode I've had the misfortune of being subjected to has been horrific.
You are demonstrating your lack of knowledge of the large body of research about behaviour modification. Please use the links in the video description to learn and find a skilled, research based, positive reinforcement trainer.
@VetMedCorner I have no doubt you feel that way, but I think you're deliberately misrepresenting what's happened. For example, Holly, the dog that bit Cesar Millan, now lives with him on his ranch and has been completely rehabilitated. He even made a video explaining what went wrong in that episode after she'd bitten him. You're hyperfocusing on occasional mistakes he's made, which he always admits to immediately, and then leaving out the key information such as the fact that he now lives with the dog that bit him and has completely tranformed her. If he really was a charlatan, he wouldn't be able to do that, or he just wouldn't be interested, but that's simply dishonest and untrue.
No. This continues to demonstrate your lack of knowledge about canine body language and the comprehensive body of research in behaviour modification.
@VetMedCorner So are you just going to ignore everything I just said even though it's objectively correct. Unless you think his dogs are paid actors?
No, what I've repeatedly said is that you are demonstrating an immense lack of knowledge about canine body language and behaviour modification. Once you have the necessary information and education you would understand just how misled and incorrect you are.
Please use the links in the video description for other videos on behaviour modification and to help you find an ethical, research based, skilled positive reinforcement trainer.
A Dog's behavior, society's reaction to a dog, and training all go together. IMHO. Yes they still need physical and mental exercise, all the love you can give them , good diet, and reassurance you will never leave themand have their back.
Crazy how there isn't any academics sources in the description. Just some pop sci stuff and anecdotal "evidence" of someone who barely understood the method they where trying to apply (the last link).
Im not taking a stance one way or another but this video was wholey unconvincing. If there are any peer reviewed articles on the topic i would love to read em. All the ones i'v read (ive only managed to find three) havent really proven anything other than abuse is bad for a dogs mental health while failing to define abuse in a way that doesnt include typical pet ownership.
If you go to the description of the video on punishment there is more information.
There's more info for you in description if you look😃 if you talk to actual professionals they'll tell you that this training is abuse and tell you why. Also this women full on explained a lot of the things she was talking about. It was a great video.
@@TeenieBeee no peer reviewed articles, just pop science stuff
@saviourly3186 did you look in description for the additional info?
@@TeenieBeee yes that's why I said there is no peer reviewed articles
The video you just showed was part of the intro before Cesar even came to the house!!!
What are you doing???
Did you even watch through the video? Start there, and make sure you also learn about the science of bmod.
Best wishes.
For people not to think that dominance does not play a role on the animal kingdom you're missing something. I grew up on a farm im not a vet by no means but I have observed animals from adolescence all the way through my adulthood, and every SINGLE TIME dominance has played the biggest role. The most dominant eats first, is settled first, has everything set in order for all to follow! In humans there are dominant people and those that follow. For people to say that its not true it is very much true! I dont think his methods are harsh by any means.
Unfortunately, you are entirely wrong. Please use the links in the video description to watch the series about behaviour modification, dominance theory and punishment. It will be very helpful for you and will also enable you to be much kinder to every animal species that you interact with which will dramatically improve their welfare.
Dominance exists in some animals within the animal kingdom, but not within domesticated dogs. Even gray wolves, which evolved from the same extinct wolf species as domestic dogs did, have no dominance order.
Wolf pups eat first nearly always, then the injured, and then the current breeding pair, then the yearlings eat last. As in, whoever needs it most. Dogs work in groups, but they’re polygamous by nature and have no reason to choose to live within a pack. They can benefit from temporary alliances and being social, but they don’t stand to benefit from a pack. Dogs seem to be independent but highly social animals, working within their families to get a job done, and growing attachments to their groups with the safety of not fighting to survive constantly. But dogs are hardly even pack animals, much less “dominant”. There’s dogs who want to be in control, and dogs who prefer to avoid conflict. That and a shared goal keeps the peace. Not a hierarchy.
I also notice that a dog is warning you when they give you that side eye if you get in their personal space.
That's very true! Most people call that 'whale eye' and it is absolutely an indication of stress/worry, although just like all behaviour the entire dog needs to be evaluated to decide if the dog is experiencing stress.
For example, some dogs will also give some side eye looks when trying to start play time with another dog or human, but in that case the rest of the dog is relaxed/loose and it's a very different expression than the stressed/worried dog!
@@VetMedCornerYep! Unfortunately, growing up, I was taught very wrong ways to train a dog, and with the threat of them making me get rid of the dog, I had to follow them. I always felt bad for it. These were old school methods like "spanking" them and all of that. After my second dog growing up, I vowed NEVER to strike another animal again, and I learned on my own that it's abuse. I currently care for two guinea piggies, and I plan on getting a dog once I get my own place, but this time, I will raise the dog right. My way. Also, I worked with dogs and cats two years ago. I loved it.
@@VetMedCornerIt actually pisses me off when I see someone strike any animal when it's not in self defense.
I'm so very glad that you've learned and that you are now doing better 💜 keep up the excellent work!
@@VetMedCorner Thanks. I still hate myself every day for how my poor first and second dogs turned out. I hope to redeem myself with my next dog but also, I just miss having a dog. I wish I could get one now, but I'm stuck in a situation and can't get hired by job.
I can’t believe the ASCPA hasn’t come down on him. Thank you Dr. Em for informing the public, you did a great service.
Depending on where people are located, it's often Animal Control officers who are responsible for upholding animal welfare laws. Unfortunately, in many places those laws aren't strict enough and don't result in enough of a punishment to deter people.
I can't watch this video because Millan's training is nothing short of abuse. But I want to say I'm sorry for your loss. We'll be here when you get back. Take care of yourself.
I absolutely agree with you that this is abusive. Watching it made me cry, and I was unable to get through the entire episode... I am so glad that you are skipping it.
Do you have a suggestion for who I should watch next as a +R trainer to make a video that contrasts to this?
@@VetMedCorner Drayton Michaels is excellent, IAABC, Thinking Canine. Give me some time and I'll compile a nice list.
Even just a handful will be enough! I am so grateful for any recommendations/suggestions.
I'm thinking I will do this +R trainer reaction video next as these two really should be put out as a part one and part two... That will make it easier for people to remember and note the marked difference between the methods.
I remember watching this 14 years ago and thinking it was too much to yank the dogs, but also not seeing so much problem in it, as the dogs seemed ok and calm on my eyes.
That was until I learned the minimal of dog body language. OMG my views on those trainers changed so fast and it became hard for me to watch these kind of videos.
I can understand why owners allow these, because they might be as unaware as I was years ago. That is why I think videos like this are so important, and make as many people aware as possible.
I think you are exactly right - it's mostly a case of more education being required. Thank you so much for this very thoughtful comment ☺️
Yes, this was me...I thought he was wonderful and I was impressed that the National Geographic featured him. So, please keep these videos going. Hard to watch, but the knowledge gained in priceless.
I truly appreciate your thoughts and encouragement. Thank you 💜
Most of this is sound, but the idea that a dog needs mental stimulation more than exercise is odd. Especially considering that the way most people exercise a dog (taking them for a walk) is both mental and physical stimulation.
If exercise enhances brain function, blood flow, endorphins and plasticity, then an exercised dog is in a better position to learn and cope with stress.
In fact, I suspect his emphasis on exercise is where he’s getting a lot of his results, despite his poor understanding of behavioral conditioning.
On the other hand, studies show that the very fact you’re being forced to exercise rather than wanting to reduces the effectiveness of exercise for health in humans. I don’t see why dogs would be different. Also, although flooding has been shown the work in the treatment of phobias in humans, it should obviously be a last resort after every other less intense method has been exhausted.
You managed to find and talk about all the negatives of Ceasars Millan showing strong bias against him (that is if everyone agrees with you) but never mentioned anything positive he does. You mentioned some good points but the episode you covered early video was about strong, big aggressive dogs... positive conditioning I think u called is not the solution for everything
All this comment does is demonstrate your immense lack of knowledge about behavior modification, all the research studies we have, and all the situations where positive reinforcement is demonstrated to be safer, more effective, and ethical. What CM does is none of the above.
Feel free to use the links in the description of the video to help you start to find some of the information that you desperately need.
Can we talk training tools please? Harnesses are the worst tools because they offer no control. I am a tester/observer for alliance of therapy dogs, and by no means will I ever proclaim to know everything, but harness are the tool that gets folks failed from the program due to the dog pulling them all over the place.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the harness, but is instead a shortfall of the trainer. That person lacks skills, knowledge of behavior modification, and isn't forming training plans properly.
The person must improve their knowledge and skills, not inflict pain on the dog.
Please use the video description to find a research based, positive reinforcement trainer and to get additional information on the science of ethical behaviour modification!
I agree with him when he says you need to be calm, assertive, and consistent with training and how a persons mindset can affect a dog but i dont agree with most of his techniques with training. Most dogs on leash arent aggressive they are frustrated because the leash prevents them from meeting a dog or person. This frustration can create aggression or fear. Martingale collars are more effective than prong collars and dont cause pain. Head halters just make it so the owner doesnt injure themselves if the dog pulls. As for shhh! My dog knows it means "stop barking excessively because i can hear you and control the situation" i let him bark a bit then i day shhh! Since barking is a good alert to someone may be at my door. My dog only walks on a loose leash in open areas. My pup gets both physical exercise as well as lental excercise with training and food puzzles. My dog mostly learned from my well behaved female yellow lab who is now 14 when it came to walking i used a puppy harness that looked like a baby harness since he was too young to walk yet but I still took him whenever I walked her. I also had him observe her meeting other dogs when I was boarding for rover clients and did meet ups before the initial boarding took place. He also learned the command "trade" when he would resource guard which he doesn't do anymore. At dog parks we observed the dogs there and how he acted towards them before entering and i would leash him up when a new dog would enter. I never let him bum rush the park gate. In public places like the vet he is taught to lay under chairs which came in handy when I took him to the airport to fly to Peru with me where every street and free roaming pet dog seems to want to be his friend some even walk with us and have on occasion protected us from other less friendly dogs. He even walks with confidence which scared some of the more shy dogs. On few occasions I've used a can of pennies to scare off some dogs. I also carry treats on hand for the ones that come up to us. He even taught my grandpas dog to not fear every dog (she used to cower whenever he came with us but respected her space) he used to be aggressive with intact males since my boy is neutered so I would treat him for good behavior and restrain him for bad behavior or separate them. Now he is best friends with an intact pit twice his size and with other intact males.
If you haven't already watched the information on positive reinforcement (and you might also like the videos where I feature ethical, positive reinforcement trainers!), I would recommend that you do so. It further explains and demonstrates the current standard of care for behaviour modification!
Thank you for your comment - I'm so glad you are invested in treating your dog as best as possible!
@@VetMedCorner i always use positive reinforcement with whatever my dog wants at the time weather it's treats, toys, petting, play time, or greeting a non aggressive dog or cat (he really wants a kitty friend) if he acts up i do the exact opposite of what he wants. If he lunges i either go across the street or turn around or curb him while step on the leash and wait for others to pass then I treat him once he stops focusing on them and continue the walk. if he is being toy aggressive i trade him with something more tempting as I grab the toy and put the the toy in time out. if he wants to chase an animal that doesn't want to be chased i restrain him on a leash or a f inside i put him in a room for 5 minutes but i always reward him for showing good behavior or trying his best to do so.
You've got a good start, but you really should be working with a skilled +R trainer as your understanding/knowledge of bmod has a significant ways to go yet. What you are describing is not +R, it's a mix of many things.
In case you missed it, here's a link to help you find a pro for help getting to the next level and improving your skills!
www.companionanimalpsychology.com/2016/12/how-to-choose-dog-trainer.html?m=1
Thank you for this! It really has opened my eyes to how training like this is abuse. So sad not only for the dogs, but the owners that put their trust in these celebrity trainers.
I did do a few videos with research based, positive reinforcement trainers as a contrast to this that you might find interesting!
And if you aren't familiar with the 4 quadrants of behavior modification, there's additional information linked in the video description.
Welcome to VMC 😊 your comment has brightened my day. Thank you!
I remember this show airing here when I was a kid and in front of every episode there was this big disclamer to not use any of the techniques demonstrated in the program before consulting a specialist because some of them are illegal here.
Now as an adult that I know how cruel and inhumane his "training" is, that warning popped back into my head and I can't help but think why would they have to put that big warning in front of every episode if his "training" was good and safe and humane? They wouldn't.
I had to have long discussions with my family when we got our dog that the things Cecar Millan does are cruel and inhumane and we should not use any of his techniques to train our dog, that we should use strictly R+. It took quite a while but I finally succeded.
I'm so glad that I took that time to educate my family. I don't even wanna think about how we would've damaged my little girl if I didn't.
Now she's a really happy go lucky little girl, even as an almost 10 year old.
I'm so glad you took that time to teach your family - that's awesome! ☺️
This is animal abuse.
first, sorry for your loss.
second, I can't look your video! it seemed like you are calm or something like that. but for me it is like that you are talking from "above", so I can't listening to you. also don't know if you really get, what Cesar (or others like Dog Daddy) is REALLY doing with what kind of dogs...
this is just my opinion. 🤷🏻♀️
You desperately need the videos linked in the description where I explain the science of behavior modification as you've demonstrated you have no idea what's going on.
@@VetMedCorner it was now a punishment to me to watch your video. my opinion didn't changed. it is now more than before, that I think, that you don't really understand, with what dogs he is working...
and.. you rolling with your eyes and breathing heavily, without a really explanation from you but "poor dog" and things like "I think the dogs gonna be more anxious", "more aggressive", "will fight" and so on. do you think that, you or know it?
hp: sorry for my bad English 😏
@suzatu03 I know it. As an expert in behaviour modification.
Use the link in the video description to help you find a research based positive reinforcement trainer to help you understand how abusive punishment like this is for the learner.
The research on this is clear, it's nothing to do with opinion.
Your immense lack of knowledge and expertise is evident and you have a lot of learning to do.
@@VetMedCorner I can't listening to your voice and how you are talking and speak about that things. because of that it was a punishment to me to whatch your video. surely, I don't get your point.
for me are the "Cesar methods" naturally and I see it with my own eyes, when I'm acting with other dogs, that the methods works immediately. (I don't mean really out of control dogs, but thinks like don't pull on the leash, or jumping... things like that)
That's why I've recommended you follow the link to a written blog so that you can seek out expert help from someone else...
You have an awful lot to learn.
@vetmedcorner... just wanted to note.. that face halter is not really a halter. .its a slip lead .. so it will continue tightening on the nose and the throat at the same time.. and when the owner pulls or allows tenion on the lead.. the slip lead will force the nose down. It is just awful
That's absolutely awful 💔😢
its made for TV guys not the real world where you have time . . .
TV shows have this ability to do something called editing.... And "time' is never an excuse to abuse animals
This is horrible😢 unfortunately i had 2 situations where my dog reacted the same and i seriously need advice on how to train him so this never has to happen again. My dog had a serious eye invection but at the vet he was trying to avoid any contact near his eye. At the and they put a thing around his mouth and forced him with 3 people to sit still. I am so sad i had to let this happen and felt that i had no choice becouse of the invection
I'm so sorry to hear about that experience. I'm glad you are aware that things need to be different, that's the first step!
I have a few thoughts for you:
1. Look for a vet clinic that is fear free certified, and talk to them about medication you can give at home before the appointment to reduce stress. Whenever in the clinic, if the situation is too much for your dog, stop things and say that you need something different for your dog. That might mean a different approach, sedation given in clinic... Etc
2. Please use the video description for links to the videos on positive reinforcement and appropriate dog enrichment.
3. Use the link in the video description to help you find a positive reinforcement trainer.
I hope that additional information is helpful for you.
@@VetMedCorner thanks for the advice. I live in the netherlands and i found a holistic vetenarian. I am going to contact her😊🥰
A holistic veterinarian is not at all the right thing. You should look for someone with Fear Free Certification...
fearfreepets.com/fear-free-certification-overview/
If anyone who's ever heard of the charlatan could watch your video the world would be a whole lot brighter for our canine friends
Thank you - I appreciate your kind words!
I work for one of the largest dog rescues and ugh the amount of people who listen to him
It's so upsetting how popular CM is 😓 so many animals are harmed because of it
Do you work with dogs? I look at your videos and don’t see you working with any
Only thousands and thousands of them over the more than decade I've been practicing...
Make sure to check the video description where I've linked to videos where I introduce people to excellent, ethical, research based dog trainers.
Looking for the video so l can have a idea of what it’s you do
I see your video of other people trying to help but l don’t see you working with dogs?
I recently worked as a "pack leader" in santa clarita for someone who was mentored by Caesar. Her entire business is based on his principles, but I didn't realize this until later on.
Usually we'd walk 15-20 dogs in a group, each person walking an average of 4-6 dogs at once. The dogs were frequently yelled at, kicked, kneed, stepped on, pushed, and antagonized. We weren't allowed to show them affection because they "get enough of that at home".
When a dog would get too far ahead of the "pack leader", we were encourage to knee them and even step on their toes to get them in line. She'd say "don't be afraid to step on their feet. Dogs learn through pressure". The dogs would yelp in pain and she'd roll her eyes and say "so dramatic". She used euphemisms like "pressure", "redirecting", and "being an assertive leader" to make these cruel actions sound better. She didnt teach us any actual training methods, just told us that we needed to be dominant/assertive/confident leaders because the dogs will "manipulate" you if you're too "soft".
Slip leads were used on all the dogs, even the little dogs. They would CONSTANTLY fall out of proper placement, so you'd hear some of them choking every single walk.
One dog had a habit of occasionally stopping mid walk and refusing to go forward. Probably due to stress/fear. Her solution for this? Just keep walking. So we would just keep pulling forward and he'd resist until he couldn't bear the "pressure" aka being choked into submission.
Another dog would be frequently left in the car for ~15-30 min while we set up the rest of the dogs for the walk. the dog hated this, and would whine and cry. Her solution? Bang on the car, point a finger in her face, and yell loudly, "KNOCK IT OFF". She said that you have to be assertive and discipline them.
In videos of the walks, you can see the dogs are all CLEARLY stressed. Ears pinned back, mouth pulled back tight, excessive panting, paw lifting, whale eyes, etc. None of them looked happy.
I worked for her for about a month, and it felt wrong but I neglected to do more research. I just listened to everything she said. Once I did the research and asked her about it, she basically told me she doesn't give a f about the science because she has experience, and that if I don't like it I can leave. So I did. But my heart still breaks for those dogs she's abusing and for the families who don't know they're causing long term psychological & possibly even physical damage to their beloved family members.
What an absolutely nightmarish experience. I am so sorry.
I'm so glad you found your way out from that abuse and hope that you're okay.
Would resources on research based, ethical, positive reinforcement training be helpful for you? How can I best support you?
@@VetMedCornerthank you for the kind words! I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. Im so thankful for your videos, as it popped up on my recommended one day and turned into hours of research that made me realize how wrong it all was. I wish more people knew about this! And i've read up on the basics & read some of karen pryor & dr sophia yin's work, but would absolutely love if it you'd like to provide some other resources so I can learn more! Thank you for all the great work you do!
You've already found some wonderful resources. KP is a leader in teaching people about R+ and Dr. Yin truly changed all of veterinary medicine.
I will grab you an excellent blog on how to find a research based dog trainer as the info is helpful
www.companionanimalpsychology.com/2016/12/how-to-choose-dog-trainer.html?m=1
Dr. Todd who writes this blog is a good resource.
Linked in this video description are also a bunch of other videos (I summarize the research on punishment, positive reinforcement etc, I also highlight some excellent trainers that you might also be interested in).
ETA the descriptions of those videos will also have links in them, but if there's anything specific you want more info on, don't hesitate to ask.
I am so proud of you for changing and doing better once you knew better. 💪💜
So sorry to hear about your grandma, take all the time you need ❤️ and thanks for covering this. I used to watch CM's show as a kid and thought he was great. When I was older I got to understand that his methods are actually super harmful. It's been insightful to understand more about these "training" methods and why they're not the gold standard (or... ANY standard in this case). I would like to recommend Southend Dog Training as I see them pop up all the time on Facebook and they seem to know what they're doing. But I'm not 100% certain they are +R only. Would be interested to see your thoughts on them. Take it easy Dr. Em 🙏
Thank you - that means a lot.
I'm so glad that you have learned how harmful this is and I am so grateful that you do better now that you know better!
I truly appreciate your suggestion - I will check them out! I'm not familiar with them so don't know off the top of my head whether they use +R or not.
I would like also to have your thoughts about southend dog training and k9 method. They are not R+ only, but nothing as Cesar as well at least of what I saw
Thank you so much for the suggestion! I have them on my list already, and will consider them for a future video!
It's important to know that using any +P has the same risks/fallout as using more +P does. It's not appropriate or recommended. If you've missed it, I have done a video on reinforcement, punishment, and dominance theory already (they are linked in the video description) and you might find it interesting!
The trainers in Southend Dog Training are balanced trainers.
They think it´s fine using prong collars and e-collars 😢And they use slip leashes quite a lot 😞
ruclips.net/video/8VMpk9gQd_o/видео.html
His training approach is full of blunders. Period.
Oh wow you have such a relaxing voice. I’m excited to watch the rest of the video.
Oh thank you! Welcome to VMC!
i don't watch him & now after watching you review his video i am infuriated. i feel so bad for this dog & for this family. how is this marketed on television as appropriate?!
It is absolutely infuriating. I'd guess the answer to your question is that they don't care about the animals, they care about the money.
It's an eye-opener!!! I wanted to understand why Cesar is so criticised, and now I know. 😢 He should enroll himself in a REAL dog psicology education. There is another episode where he "treats" another dog that was terminally ill, and he, who considers himself an expert, did not notice anything physically wrong. Why doesn't he listen to genuine experts?
I don't have the answer as to why he refuses to change/learn/do better... I wish I knew
I want to say something here
MANY dogs like these, or reactive dogs, or aggressive dogs can NOT be trained/handled with positive re-enforcement training, you as the handler/trainer are so desperate for something to change, you actually have to look at different areas.
Yes you have made good points
But Cesar Millan does live with something like over 40 + dogs so there must be something to what he is doing
Veterinarians are NOT dog behaviorists/trainers, they honestly are there to treat the dogs for illness, injuries etc and very little with training and training tools
Some dogs actually NEED big corrections
The one that has a pinch/prong collar on - its NOT in the correct position. This is a common mistake
Trainers often TRAIN THE OWNERS and help them to train their dog
Education is a BIG thing messing about TRAINING TOOLS:
This includes pinch/prong collars, check chains, E-collars, halti/gentle leaders etc
Do NOT judge people before you EDUCATE yourself on these
(A flat collar, rope, or leash can be dangerous if used incorrectly)
Harnesses like these encourage dogs to PULL - ever heard of SLED DOGS
To sum up there is more than one way to train a dog and many dogs may have issues, many dogs may need Professional training tools and don't judge
No - you are horrifically wrong and are demonstrating your immense lack of knowledge of behavior modification. Please use the links in the video description to learn more about ethical, research based behaviour modification. Also use the link to find a skilled, research based, ethical, positive reinforcement trainer to help you.
Thank you so much for this video. I never seen such profesional person talking about animals behaviour and I'm so glad that I found you. I'm deffinetly going to watch all of your videos, because you showing your hudge knowlege about animals and it's clear that you are super passionate and serious about it. Thank you again. I hope that you never change your attitude, because what you're doing is just beautiful.
Thank you
This comment just made my day. It's been a long one, and I am tired, so your timing was particularly excellent. Thank you 💜
I truly am very passionate about sharing research based, best practices so that people can learn how to care for their critters better. Welcome to VMC!
@@VetMedCorner Thank you. I'm just being 100% honest here. I watched hudge amount of different videos lately and you're first person that I feel I can trust with every word. I'm currently watching other videos from your channel and it's super usefull in every way.
I would love to see more videos debunking his training on Better Human, Better Dog. It’s really informative! Thanks for this video
But it's wrong it's just about r spondingbt
Everything is energy.
I'm glad I have cats.
Unfortunately, people also do horrific things to cats that are absolutely punishment. Commonly they throw things at them, spray water at them, scare them with objects, yell at them... They also don't give them near adequate enrichment with the basics they need.
That said, positive reinforcement training works on all species, and so daily training sessions to work on cues and cooperative care is a crucial part of feline care!
A vet giving advice on dog whispering is like a doctor giving advice on psychotherapy.
All this comment does is demonstrate your ignorance of the body of research done on behaviour modification and the role of veterinarians and veterinary behaviourists... You will find the links in the video description to help you learn.
@@VetMedCorner I think people need to understand that you cannot treat your dog like it is a human child, even if they are tamed they will never be fully human.
So Treating a dog like a human is as good as talking to a statue, they don’t understand your communication methods, they have their own language we need to understand.
As far as I can tell Cesar has done a lot of good with his method and knowledge of handling canines.
So show the guy a bit of respect please.
As is already noted above, you are continuing to demonstrate your ignorance in dog behaviour and behaviour modification. Please do some learning. For the sake of the people and animals you interact with.
People who are abusive don't deserve any respect.
Most doctors today are given basic training to help people with mental health crisis and to further enable referral to a therapist. Ignorant comment
I am a certified positive reinforcement dog trainer with Karen Pryor Academy. The advice that this RUclips account provides is absolutely scientifically sound and accepted by animal behavior experts. Animal behavior professionals routinely provide videos from this RUclips account as resources for clients and the general public to understand their animal’s behavior issues. Also, as noted, veterinarians and animal behavior professionals work together as a team to solve these problems.
Awful. And now when a video of him pops there is almost always a dog fight that he tries to put an end, a fight that he was responsible for in the first place
You are exactly right. It's such an awful cycle and the dogs suffer so much. It was actually very hard for me to find still pictures where any animals he was with didn't look incredibly stressed and/or shut down to put through the rest of the video
Do your own methods without disparaging someone else. For Dog lovers who truly understand dogs they are not human beings thus their instincts are grounded differently which is what Caesar Milan brings out. All this nonsense about hurting dogs is BS!! Just look at his results. You are entitled to your opinion but no need to be a hater!
It's not opinion. This is fact based on a robust body of research.
You desperately need the series on behaviour modification science in the video description.
This is harmful to the dogs and that has been proven, without doubt.
Theory is great but most people have messy lives.
The decades of research is clear that using proper bmod techniques work better and faster than abusing dogs...
The fact that there are people who see him do these things and still actively defend him like he's their God, is so irritating and genuinely disturbing...
Absolutely - the amount of damage done to innumerable animals is indescribable 😓
@@VetMedCorner I genuinely do not understand how someone can actually watch what he's doing and still support him.
Irritating, why because he’s Mexican? 😂🤡
He would be in for a major surprise dealing with The Brat Pack aka Oakley roo and Omen Gaylord
A tree fiest and a Dogo Argentino they're both 2yrs old and I pitty anyone to get on dumb stuff #instafood #bratpack #bewareofowner
James French❤
I’ve trained and handled dogs in all sorts of trials and after 1 episode knew this man was a quack. His own dog has killed other dogs and attacked a kid, that says a lot.
Unfortunately an immense amount of harm has been done due to the popularity of this show - it's devastating 😢
@@VetMedCorner literally every trainer/handler I know in the service dog community dislikes him and his tactics
These scholars read books, then tell us how wrong everyone is from their office computers. They never demonstrate how treat giving methods work by showing a fixed dog. They alway show a dog in process but no fixed dog in the end. I’ve never seen anyone fix an aggressive dog with treats. Unfair to stop the video before it ends. CM never hates on other dog trainers.
You are very wrong, and you need to watch the videos that showed ethical, research based behaviour modification. You also need to watch the linked series on what the quadrants of behavior modification are and what research tells us about them.
Punishment like this does not "fix" anything and it causes immense amounts of harm, which is why these dogs got worse and ran out of their house to start a fight with the dog across the street... Continuing to harm these dogs will never result in anything that could be termed 'successful'
@@VetMedCorner show me you can “fix” or “rehabilitated” an aggressive dog like those powerful breeds. Make a video to show us your method is better. I’ve read the quadrant, etc.
I think your emotions and preconceptions of cm are making you point fingers. The dogs in vid were stressed before cm and if they are pulling tire their ears are going to be back. There can be more than one way to rehabilitate a dog not just your way. I don’t want to carry a bag of treats on my hip to spend time with my dog.
Your comment clearly demonstrates your immense lack of knowledge about bmod. What I am saying is not 'my way'. There's a robust body of research about the best, most effective and most ethical way to modify behaviour.
I feel so sorry for your dog that your ego gets in the way of caring for your dog properly. It would be best not to have a dog if you insist on being harmful and unethical.
@@VetMedCorner This is the most unprofessional and self centered answer i have ever read. You are arrogant and always use the same lame, please read this and that instead of genuinely answer. For you to tell someone on the internet that person shouldn't have a dog because he says he doesn't wan't to give the dog treats on a walk is massive misbehaviour and arrogance on your side. Seems like you haven't been properly trained and need to read some articles on how to behave decent around people, even if it's on the internet. And also, WHO and doctors worldwide agreed in thousands of studies that being overweight is very, very unhealthy mentally and physically. You really should stop being on the internet schooling people, you should obviously exercise a lot and prepare healthy food.
I agree with pretty much everything except the prong. Prong collars can be great tools if used right and if used right won’t cause pain. However I’m pretty sure these owners do not know how to properly use the prong and it’s most likely uncomfortable for the dog.
There is no 'proper' way to use a prong collar. The reason it changes behaviour is *because* the learner finds it aversive. There's no way around that.
Please watch the videos linked in the description giving more detail on the 4 quadrants of behavior modification and the plethora of research about how aversives cause immense fallouts and are ethically inappropriate due to the welfare issues they cause.
Y’all all the same people that say jimmy go on time out then 5 years later jimmy shooting the school
You need to watch the video on punishment as the research is clear that using punishment dramatically increases the risk of aggressive behaviour in the future. So, in reality, it's the precise opposite of what you claim.
You criticize but do not give other suggestions for corrections. 😢 Sorry not a believer in you because you do not have positive suggestions. We have to set boundaries and discipline for children. Why would we not w dogs, please stop!!
All of that is covered in other videos that are linked in the video description.
She does give suggestions, such as the positive conditioning when introducing the halter or using a different, less aggressive tone when correcting the dog's behavior (when Cesar rings the door bell at beginning of the clip).
I can't even watch any more of this after you said a pinch collar is causing pain. I've watched trainers put it on human necks and leave ZERO marks. So you already don't know what you're talking about. Caesar also tells them not to hold the leash tight and you're using that against him. Why do doctors think they know everything about everything. You're not a dog trainer. And most dog trainers aren't even that knowledgeable. This makes me sick.
You would find the additional information in the video on punishment helpful
ruclips.net/video/mr1xxZdtMYA/видео.html
Cesar doesn’t abuse dogs. You are the kind of people who would think saying no to a kid is abusing. This is so pathetic and this is exactly why there are so many kids with behaviour issues, of course for dogs too. Cesar believes better human better dogs. What’s wrong with the energy you are sending to your dogs? You guys are so narrow minded that just because you don’t understand him, doesn’t make him wrong and you are 100% correct! I saw your response to the people who don’t agree with you. You can’t stand that. What does that say about you? Yes Cesar may have lots of law suits, but what does that mean anyway? You don’t think some of them were only trying to get attention, like you do?
Feel free to start learning what reality is by using the links in the description
The dog was already aggressive and this is what not OK.
The key is to figure out *why* the dog is displaying aggressive behaviors (in this case, it appears to be a mixture of fear and untreated medical issues, including pain). Punishing a painful, scared dog will only make them worse (we have decades of research that proves this) which is why interactions like the ones CM has are completely contra-indicated, ineffective, and abusive.
ASMR
It’s a shame 😢
Thank you for the brief pauses; watching a dog's spirit breaking in plain sight makes me want to cry
Same. It's devastating 😭
If it's too much, definitely don't feel like you need to watch it. I've done other reactions to positive reinforcement trainers that are a lovely breath of fresh air and are enjoyable to watch. I'd definitely recommend those over this
Everything you said is just right! This guy is cruel! All of this just works because he‘s breaking the dogs. Sadly a broken and funktional dog is what some people want. And sadly this is the easiest way. 😡
I got my first dog when i was about 25. A frightened little podenco lady. First i was the only one that could touch her. She trusted me right away but only me! She barked at every stranger and she would pretend to bite (like biting the air). I didn‘t have any experience with dogs… just a good natural feeling and understanding. My baby is doing so well now! Sometimes she‘s still afraid of strangers, mostly men. But recently we‘ve been to a dinner with about 15 people and she really enjoyed it! 15 people to cuddle her! 😍
If she ever met cesar she would instantly try to bite him 😂 she hates dominant aggressive men and that‘s completely ok for me. Because i‘m sure one of these idiots hit her at least one time! Else she wouldn‘t have been that traumatized with only one year of age.
I'm so glad you have been patient with your dog and that you didn't get fooled by people who recommend 'training' that's abusive and horrific. Keep up the good work! 💪
@@VetMedCorner I really worry about XL Bullies and illegal pitbulls around the UK now- So many utter incompetents are owning them, and they are killing people, children, and sweet innocent pets. They seem to be ''Idiot magnets''.
Luckily I have only had kind, gentle dogs {Lurcher and Whippets} that never need any 'Punishment' at all. Gentle, kind dogs.
If only people would get dogs that were suited to their level of ability.
@@VetMedCorner well… at first there were many people that recommended things. Sadly i sometimes listened to them and i‘m sure i made some mistakes. But i just felt this little poor thing from moment one on and i quickly realised that these things people told me are just not right for her!
I was waiting 25 years to finally get a dog. She‘s my biggest love, my best friend, my baby! I own three dogs now. I love all of them. But my little girl will always be special because she was the first one and she‘s still the one that needs me the most. We‘re so close and that‘s just such a beautiful thing! I could never ever harm her or any of my other dogs!
It‘s ok to make mistakes first because you are new to owning a dog and it‘s kind of normal to trust people with more experience. But i think when you have that feeling for your loved ones you should realise that some of these special tips are just not right.
Sadly most owners don‘t have that intuition, that empathy and also they lack of psychological knowledge 😥
I can feel all your sigh! Hoooo!
It was so upsetting and exhausting 😓
@@VetMedCorner i strongly agree! I've also seen your reaction vid with Victoria, you are smiling and laughing..😁
i have been following Victoria since i got my Aspin Dog (Philippine breed). I have learned a lot from her and was able to teach some basic commands to my dog..
Go for positive reinforcement!👊
That's so wonderful that you are learning and implementing +R! Yay! Keep up the good work! 🙌
I wish that everyone would watch the videos on +R and see the stark difference in body language of the dogs... It's night and day different.
You are sooo wrong and sad how you pick scenes to make your point. Reading lines out of a book n not reading the whole book is no way to give it a proper review. All you're doing is fishing for views.
Did you even watch the video and use the video description for additional information? Because you aren't a veterinary behaviorist, so you are not an expert in this topic...
Stop your sour grapes videos, If he was that bad they would have stopped him, and taken his license away, and I doubt if all the other vets that are with him would be there if what you say is true. If you are so great way do you not have a show on. TV?
All this comment does is demonstrate your immense lack of knowledge about veterinary medicine, the lack of any regulation in the dog training world, and the TV industry. But thanks for trying.
A license is not required to train dogs. Veterinarians know dog body language. She is spot on in EVERYTHING she said here. The American College of Veterinary Behaviorists (people who take 4 years of education in animal behavior beyond vet school) has officially denounced his methods .
Actually he was forbidden to train dogs on stage in european countries bc his methods are against the law here
#cezalmillan
I don't understand having to be the alpha leader: Dogs are dogs, humans aren't dogs..