What is observing thought down to its very roots? | J. Krishnamurti
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
- Ojai 1984 - Question #3 from Question & Answer Meeting #1
'What is observing thought down to its very roots? I watch my thoughts, one leads to another in an endless chain. What ends this? What brings change?'
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The more I listened and understood what Mr Krishnamurti explained more, I feel as he was like my parent. 🙏🏻
"what is the root of all our thinking. . .?" two memories striking each other and forming a third compound.
Only non thought (Completely and totally being in the present ) can bring about any real change
Beautiful , eternal Truth 🙏
He is very great man
Every video of Krishna murthy must be watched with full attention (and repeatedly, if necessary) to understand it well.
Im understanding the different patterns of life ! Each one leads to another ;)
My feeling is that you must understand the whole of his thought, a vast undertaking from where I sit.
The great gem 🙏
Thank you for sharing 🙏
This is beautiful.
Thanks for sharing.
You should use headphones in order to hear the audio
Right
Thank you.
что думаешь о том что есть мысль и тот кто на эту мысль смотрит оба есть мысль а кто или что за ней только давай без атмана брахмана а на чистоту!
Thank you so much frnd
Thank you!
When thought organizes a change, it is always limited and hence there can be no change at all. When one see the fact that thought is always limited then there is revolution. Then change takes place.
Wow...too cool❤
Desde Latinoamérica necesitamos más de este conocimiento de manera más accesible
well get to work. you are the translator.
The observer is thought and that which is observing is still thought. The observer is all the accumulated memories of the past. The observer then says i am going to watch my thinking. What is the root of our thinking? Is it possible to not to think at all!?The response to the memory is thought. My experience is limited so my thought is limites. Whatever the thought does, is limited. Measurement is limited as there is always more. Thinking about self is limited. Any action that is limited must bring conflict.
The mind is thought. The observer is you, the soul, you is (and I write “is” on purpose) consciousness. Consciousness “you” is awareness not thought.
You ARE the awareness and you HAVE a body, mind and thoughts…
In order to understand krishnamurti one must put aside all mental positions and the answer will rise up freely explain tion will be impossible because truth love cant be explained so krishnamurti would say things like are you doing it. Being present has no directions
Use earphones for the audio.
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Damn....
Please proviide transcript
if the observer is a thought, is the second observer observing the observer also a thought? It feels like never-ending observers, never-ending observed. Maybe this observation of never-endingness is meditation. Maybe the conclusion is that everything is a thought
Plss put subtitles in this video ..🙂
The video has no sound
i assume the audio issue is: left / right channel are out of phase. one must be reversed...
The audio is good quality, but earphones/headphones are needed to hear it well. But the message is like most of his other messages that I've heard: thought is limited and can't bring about 'real' change, except for technological changes; 'stillness' is needed to do so. Does he ever give an example of any 'real' change that has taken place, or of anyone who has made any such change? Is there any hope for our species except for perhaps rare, apparently incognito, individuals?
As far as I have seen, in my little experience, the practice of Vipassana is something that is the perfect compliment to J.K's work and does so beautifully, in a practical and experiential way. If the fact that it's a Buddhist technique bothers you, just leave that aside and stay focused on the practice. To me, it's the actual "how to". The benefits and insight I have received through it has been wonderful, and has helped me understand, and actualise (not merely intellectualise) the essence of what JK has been trying to help us get.
What a waste of time he is. My understanding is everything is perfect in the external its the thought that makes everything less than forget and when one watches the thought that thought dies which mean you're allowing perfectness into your subconscious and you'll see that in the external. However, it's difficult to watch all the time, thus by faith you assume that you're a person who perfectly observe the thought thus problem solved. And vipasana or any other practice won't help as it implies you're not perfect hence have to do something to be perfect which involves time.
@@johncletus9529 there is no talk of perfection. It's typical of a certain type of person to put down things he doesn't understand. I hope you grow up.
Subtitles Please....
May I ask where the transcript is?
There's no sound.
Sound quality is difficult.
You must use headphones
Thanks @@PratikshaHadke
master oogway
No sound at all.
I have a question obsever is thought but not observation what is observation
@@LakshmiiSharma he meant you are not observer when you are taking sides by your conditioning or any desire that's is the observation...you have to empty yourself from all these things then you will become capable of observing.
Understanding through thought fails to cause a change to occur in relationship with others
Please fix the audio
The audio seems okay at this end-loud and clear throughout.
@@KFoundation for some reason the audio is only audible when you use headphones. Otherwise all I hear is some metallic noise. I use samsung galaxy s4 phone
Ok so what will make the change then, we never got the answer. What is the root of thought? 28 mins and he didn’t answer the question.
He answered this in discussions with David Bohm
Thanks. Do you know of a particular link. There are lots of references to Bohm and Krishnamurti.
Dale Griffiths he said that looking at thought and observing and understanding its limitation will bring Bout the change. Doing anything abt that reality will inevitably move u away from the change
He told that memory is the root of thought. If there is no memory, there is no thought.
Response to the memory is thought
he is not saying the truth when he says that thought has ultimately a place. he lists that thought is necessary for driving a car, eating, doing your job. but these things are only necessary for survival. the need for survival is born out of ignorance, thought can only support ignorance, it has no other use.
when there is full attention, there is no interaction or talking with other people. for the simple reason that talking is ignorance, too.
and when two people have full attention there is no need to talk either. thought as an interaction is ultimately only necessary to communicate ignorance. I'm talking out of my own experience of having had full, sustained attention.
if this is not understood properly, it adds to confusion. survival is ultimately not necessary and there is no responsibility for anyone.
this is hard to understand if you almost get there because you get overwhelmed with your ability and all the sudden understanding. you think you made it while you actually know you are still confused. then, when you meditate and just sit and be, you understand that the feeling of confusion can completely disappear. when that happens, you move from observing abstract thought to observing observation. at that point, when you are not willing anymore to form abstract thoughts, you are not able to communicate or do anything in life anymore. the very moment you get involved with life again, you get confused, and out of confusion, suffering is born.
some people like K may be able to sustain decades of living with a very high awareness, but the moment it turns into full awareness, you are not sustaining your life, you are actively letting go, and sooner or later, sustaining that, your body will die.
I assume he doesn't talk about this aspect because it would actually show that dying is part of letting go, that would be much too controversial for the average mind.
to me it seems he is always irritated by something, almost angry
Not when he tells jokes. Thinking hurts the brain a little bit, so I think it irritates him to have to do it.
He'll never accept anything but without assumptions science is not possible. He denies faith but without faith nobody can live life to the fullest. If he isn't gonna answer the question why waste everybody's time.
He wants you to find out for yourself, not spoon-feed you the answer.