How Neil Armstrong saved the Dyna-Soars
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- We know Neil Armstrong as the first man to walk on the Moon, but before NASA he was a civilian pilot who did his part to save an Air Force space plane called Dyna-Soar. It was aconcept designed to gather data on hypersonic flight and the intense heat associate with atmospheric reentry from space. But before it could fly, Neil Armstrong figured out how to save a pilot from an exploding rocket.
If you've never ever heard of Dyna-Soar, check out this video for more: • Video
For more Vintage Space, check out the blog on Popular Science: www.popsci.com/... 
Наука
My favorite is still Dyna-Soar. If it had gone forward, we would be way ahead of where we are now. It was a manned, reusable vehicle. Billions into the Space Shuttle for nought. Dyna-Soar was the first step we should have taken. We are still paying the price for having not done so.
Really glad to see this out there - my Dad worked on Dyan-Soar - thanks for doing this. It was sad that McNamara's drive to spend money and lives in Viet Nam led to the demise of the Dyna-Soar.
The full on Apollo Applications Program, and the late Apollo missions 18-22.
That's a good one!
Michael Foy Good call! A look at the original Apollo plan would cover it!
Amy Shira Teitel There is also a lot of post lunar mission Saturn V variants that were proposed for massively increased payloads. One used 4 Sat V first stages as boosters attached to a main Sat V rocket. Others used various SRB's, F-1 engine based boosters, and the M-1 engine as a single second stage motor replacing the 5 J-2's.
M -1 ? Hmm... Not F - 1? In 1989 Oshkosh I'd Rocketdyne lit for the J - 2S seemingly not used, but (lit ) 'Flight Proven' (Rock'dyne).
This?
astronautix.com/m/m-1.html
The rocket Sea Dragon is one of my favorites that never happened, I have read (ok, glanced though.. ) the 700 or so pages of the report on it from 1963. 500 tons to LEO...that could really have gotten us somewhere :-)
That wink when you were pointing out rockets' tendency to explode... That was priceless :D
Great video! Neil was an amazing pilot and so smart, certainly one of my heroes. As another viewer mentioned, X-33 interests me as well.
I always was a little sad about the NASP program - National Aerospace Plane program - I worked at Aerojet General at the time and it was tough to see the Shuttle program with no successor after the cancellation of NASP in the early 1990s... I hope you do some episodes on NASP.
What an amazingly named vehicle. They got that part right!
This one is better than the other older vids.
I'm gonna say the Venturestar. It shows how spaceflight can manage to be both simple and complex.
I don't think I had ever heard of this program so thank you!
Hey Amy, Love Vintage Space!
Could we have an episode discussing the exact types of computers and technological instruments used to pilot the apollo era space crafts? I've long heard as I'm sure many have that "Your watch has a more powerful computer in it then what they used to get to the moon" but if their instruments were so basic, how did they work for them in the first place?
Well done, Amy!
Cool!
I knew Neil was attached to the Dyna-Soar program in some fashion, but I never knew about the Skylancer PoC.
Thanks!
If you go to Neil's museum in Wapakoneta,Oh the first thing you see is That Skylancer out in front...
+patrick judd I have been before, but many years ago. I know the plane you are talking about out front. I didn't remember the type.
I only live about an hour away from the museum. It's crazy that I've been to KSC in Florida 3 times and the Armstrong Museum once. A person never thinks to go places in their own backyard.
The most awesome project that never flew? Hands down it's the Nova Rocket!
The X-33 Venturestar is probably my favorite program that never came to be. Though the DC-X/Y Delta Clipper is another.
SSTO is still alive. X-43 actually flew, at something like Mach 10, establishing the tech; and Hotol, although that was British. Skylon is still proceeding, last I heard.
Armstrong was such a badass Underrated as a pilot.
Great videos, Amy! Thanks to you, I've learned so much about NASA's past programs. I am also reading your book "Breaking the Chains of Gravity". Great stuff! As a suggestion, you should write a book about NASA's history with sonic planes such as the X-15. I'd love more info on them. Anyway, keep up the great work. :)
I love this explanation of History,. Clear, concise,& easy to relate to. Thank- you "a humbled fellow space cadet"🖖👏👍
I love your videos, keep up the great work!!
Blue Gemini. By the way, if you're a space buff, Mike Jenne has written a trilogy that starts with the novel "Blue Gemini." Excellent story and series of books. Makes you wonder if maybe the author knows more than he's telling. Anyway, READ THE BOOKS!
Flying Dyna Soar in Orbiter Spaceflight Sim is awesome. The hardest mission is actually a sub-orbital test flight from Cape Canaveral to Fortaleza in South America. It's very difficult to get enough range out of the booster and then manage the glide energy all the way to the landing. Reentering from orbit is actually easier, since you have way more energy to start with.
I did not know that about Armstrong...
thank you.
I wanted to mention Carl Sagen's Lightsail project proposed in the 1970's. The Lightsail mission recently had a successful build and kickstarter campaign.
You wink at "rockets had a tendency to explode".....how dare you!......I've had to much wine. Thanks for these von Braun videos, they're really helpful on our WWII Axis & Allies strategy board game Tech Advancements. Gonna do it on tiers, so if the war had progressed longer... obviously the U.S. has the Manhattan Project, so it should be a fun game, kinda a tech/arms race instead of mere conventional warfare. I dig the early Jet Age (my Dad's era in the Air Force) and your videos consistently jive with that interest. Don't pull too many G's!
I remember an article on this project in my 4th grade Weekly Reader newspaper.
Idea for a new episode! We've all seen the piecing together of parts to build an adapter for the square CO2 scrubber. What, if any, changes did NASA make to correct this problem for future missions?
Armstrong was a bit badass.
O. K. to correct on exact details, but as this: He was non-challant when he ejected from that jet lunar lander simulator as if nothing happened an hour later. It was as he was talking sports.
"Hey, were you nearly killed an hour ago?"
"Yep. Hey, think the Dodgers will do any better than the Yankees?" (as if totally oblivious).
Then Agena / Gemini. He reached over his head and pushed the button / flipped the switch to fire thrusters to stabilize the spinning. He did knowing exactly where w/o. looking.
And he wasn't a fitness freak.
Punching flat Earthers in his 80s. I wish I could be that cool
H0neycakes that was Buzz Aldrin, just saying.
Interesting tidbit about Dyna-Soar: the water-cooled compartment for the pilot. That seems pretty radical to me.
Space Transportation system. The shuttle was 1 of 4 key parts to the full STS program. It took the name STS because the other 3 parts of the program never came to be. I wish the full program had gone through.
Favourite project that never was? Project Pluto. And I'm glad it never got off the ground!
USA actually built 2 test engines?? That is INSANE!
soviets actually flew nuke bombers...killed the crew in a few years after. Thats insane.
Ha Ha who came up with that project name? its perfect.
TheRealFifthColumn It's s shortened form of "dynamic soaring" in reference to its gliding landing profile.
It is short for Dynamic Soaring.
Not a US or Russian programme, but I found it fascinating to read about the British Blue Streak, Black Arrow, Black Knight and Black Prince launch systems from the early 60's. Also the Prospero satelite launched from the Womera rocket range in Austrila by the Brit's in I think 1971. could be wrong about the dates.
My favourite is the TSR-2 programme. Such sad way that it ended.😢
TSR-2 was way over the brits heads the F-111 was a better fit all around for everyone.
Very interesting, I enjoy your presentation technique.
Amy, I am so inspired by your video that I'm off to make my own Dyna-Soar using Kerbal Space Program. Thanks!
Flyn Bryan - Had the same thought while watching this, since I was also playing KSP while watching this. :D
***** I've had a fixation with lifting body aircraft since watching the Six Million Dollar Man series in the 70s as a kid lol. Dude, I'm obsessed with KSP. My kids and I landed on the Mun and returned to Kerbin for the first time recently. I was overjoyed! Thank God my wife appreciates my obsession with aviation and space travel lol.
My favorite program that never was was SeaDragon.
Best program that I can think of is the VentureStar program that was supposed to be a second generation shuttle. I know they were developing the engines to make it a single stage to orbit vehicle, but the funding was cancelled before the airframe was even started.
i think being only 100ft above the ground would the least of your worries while trying to parachute to safety from the top of an exploding Titan 2 ! But regardless love your channel, favourite so far was your wonderfully eloquent and concise explanation of the Titan blooping noise - you could of been a rocket scientist
Orion Nuclear space ships
Vintage Space, I would bet you've already read it but just in case you haven't I have to recommend 'To Fly And Fight' by Bud Anderson. Its more Air Force stories than space but he was at Edwards through out the 50s and 60s and had a big role in Dynasoar. It's a great overall aviation book written in the language of pilots.
Neil Armstrong was a remarkable person. My uncle was a technition at the Marshall spaceflight center and he was good friends with Neal, as well as many of the other astronauts.
He said that without a doubt Neal was one of the most intelligent and well educated people in the space program. His knowledge of aerodynamics and the physics of spaceflight surpassed more than a few of the N.A.S.A. designers.
8091pinewood I finished Jim Hansen's "First Man" a few weeks before Neil Armstrong passed away and one comment by Harrison Schmitt was particularly insightful of Neil's capabilities. Schmitt was instrumental in preparing Neil and Buzz for the geological sampling they would perform on the moon. This was pretty rudimentary compared to later missions but according to Schmitt:
"Neil's collection of rocks was the best that anybody did on the moon."(Not sure if Harrison was including his samples with that remark)
He chalked this up to Neil's engineering interest that closely jived with the logic involved with a certain geology theory when it came to determining the appropriate samples to collect. I thought that was pretty amazing considering how much better prepared the follow on missions where and how little time Apollo 11 was on the moon compared to them.
Hello there I was just wondering if you were planning to do a video on project Orion? (The original nuclear bomb propelled spaceship not Bush's Orion) thanks.
Amy,
Your Popular Science article on the Dyna-Soar has a link to some footage of Neil Armstrong, Gus Grissom, and Wally Schirra working with a cockpit mockup. From what I've read, Gus and Wally weren't among the seven pilots chosen for that project (Neil was). How did Gus and Wally get involved with that project, and what were they doing there?
I would like to recommend a book.
Angle of Attack,
Harrison Storms and the race to the Moon.
my favorite project was the one where they wanted to fly ACTUAL SPACE DINOSAURS INTO SPACE.
question, if the American flag from Apollo 11 blew over from the LEM exhaust while leaving the moon, would it be safe to assume Neil Armstrong's first footprint blew away as well too ?
thanks.
Hmmmmm? The exhaust was pushing the flag ➡ So my thought is ; no. Deflection from decent stage. Propellent, (thrust)
Downward then sideways, out. ? P.
Amy, my father led the engineering team that built the cockpit simulator for the DynaSoar. His name was Capt. Joseph A. Bulger Jr., assigned to the Research Division at Edwards AFB from 1960 through 1966. There was a CBS video with Walter Cronkite that highlighted the DynaSoar program. I have tried to locate this video without success. Are you aware of any way to engage CBS to find archival footage? Thank you for your fantastic channel! Scott
Would like to have seen the X-44 go further. An entirely thrust-vector controlled aircraft could do some crazy things. Nice to see Pete in the video too :-D
thanks amy i saw a photo of dyna-soar in an book early 62 beautiful craft should have been developed
I was looking forward to seeing Space Shuttle launches at Vandenberg AFB but that too was cancelled. Where was the Dyna Soar to be launched from? Thanks!
Edwards
Dream Chaser! Little shuttle you can land in your own backyard.
Can you do a short piece perhaps on development of the Soyuz spacecraft and its incredible longevity !
I should point, Amy, that in the late 50s there were zero-zero ejection seats so it would've been possible to safely eject from the launch-pad just like in the Gemini capsule.
Check out the blast radius of large space rockets exploding on the pad. I think that they knew an ejection seat wasn't going to make it far enough away. Also they probably never tested those seats at 100 feet off the ground but laying on it's back.
my favorite "never was" is the XB-70 Valkrie.........
Mine is too, but the B-70 actually flew. Sadly Dyna-soar didn't.
X-33, to see if SSTO would actually work
Amy did you know the Dyna-Soar was actually a toy in the 60's? I had this, I believe it was made by Century-21 and came with a Project Sword badge, do you have any of the Gerry Anderson inspired space toys from the 60's?
Well, it flew once but the Buran Shuttle looks pretty awesome.
Not so much space related, but the CF-108 (Avro Arrow), TSR-2, and (X)B-70.
Interesting how it looked completely different to it's predecessor the X-15....delta wings, short/stubby fuselage, wing-tip vertical tails. As great as the X-15 was (my favourite!), they must have thought "gee, where not using THAT design again!".
The constellation program! It was beautiful and elegant. Plus it had us on Mars before 2020. Right now we are lucky if the SLS will get off the ground before 2020.
spez1989 Moon. Mars would be around 2030.
Constellation,all that hope gone in a single press release
MOL is mine. I like the idea of a long duration program with Gemini at it's heart. After that, I lament the loss of Apollo 18-22
Big gemini
Omg, the Dyna-Soar program sounds so bad ass.
The use of lifting bodies as return from orbit vehicles. Landing under control on a runway from space and hopping out on dry land; much more space explorer like than plunking into the water on the end of a parachute string.
Lots of mentions of Project Orion, but what about NERVA?
Hello Amy: my favorite space program which Im disappointed that it never happened: The solar sail interplanetary propulsion system. Ability to go out...then turnaround and come back, and do that repeatedly with no fuel. Would not a solar sail craft be ideal for a Mars mission? Didnt someone put up a few test missions using solar sails, to prove the concept?
Another good one: the space elevator, which might yet come to be. (as in Arthur C Clark's The Fountains of Paradise, et. al. ) I remember watching when the Shuttle actually did some experiments with tethers during the 90's, I wonder what ever came from that? It was Atlantis STS-46 (TSS-1) and Columbia STS-75 (TSS-1R)
Runner up: We are all ever-so-glad they never did build the Orion nuclear-bomb-powered starship. Or any of those other nuclear powered bombers like the WS-125 or the WS-110A. Insane ideas, all of them.
The Silber Vogel Nazi space bomber program was really cool. My favourite though is the Werner Von Braun mars project.
Grand Tour = My favorite program that never flew.
We did however get some of the program from Voyager.
my favorite military space project was M.O.L. manned orbital laboratory. a modified Gemini capsule would ferry two military astronauts to the lab. The MOL was USAF answer to a spy satellite before unmanned ones were developed.
Star Raker. Take off from a runway in Florida, fly to the equator and still put 45 tonnes into LEO? Again and again? Refuel and it's 90 tonnes! OK, the landing gear was hinky. Still: hell yes!
...
Sea Dragon was pretty awesome, tho.
Same with Orion, even with nuclear fallout.
HL-20 could have been launched on a falcon 9, tho. And HL-42 on a Heavy.
...
Gotta be Star Raker.
I always liked the "Manned Orbital Laboratory" program. Mainly because it was based on a modified Gemini that had a hole cut in the heat shield to get into the thing. Really Air Force?!?! The only thing between you and 4000 degrees is the heat shield and you just cut a hole in it??!?!?! The fact that Soviets actually tried something like this in the Almaz project was more than just crazy.
Glen Clark MOL is on the list, but it's going to have to wait until later in the summer so I have time to really dig into it!
PBS NOVA did an episode on this entitled Astrospies in 2007. DVD is available and REALLY interesting. :-)
My favorite was Venture Star!
Have you ever done an episode on the flying bedpost?
The Dyna Soar sounds like an ancestor to the Sierra Nevada Dream Chaser. I assume that they would have similar escape plans.
+James Mcenanly Although it has a lot more similarity to the MiG-105. The Dream Chaser most likely has a very mixed ancestry.
The Venus Wet-workshop from The Apollo Applications Program was the type of program that keeps me wondering what may have been.
Amy PLEASE do an episode about the NERVA nuclear rocket/mission to mars program. Thanks -Dave
Spiral Project, USSR answer to Dyna-Soar, is very sad story. They did build BOR's 1-5 and MiG-105, but full scale orbital plane never was approved and they move to Buran instead. I do hope that Dream Chaser will be The Little Space Plane That Could
My favorite program that never flew was the DIRECT proposal. We had the infrastructure for Shuttle. Why not just leverage that to build an evolutionary launcher? Instead, like Saturn, we ditched the entire program and infrastructure and started from scratch. Then we cancelled the new program and restarted again with the Senate Launch System: a paper rocket with no mission, no destination, and no vision.
Both Constellation and SLS were/are based on the Shuttle hardware though. Which apparently was useless enough...
If Dyna-Soar had come into being, I suspect some of the Dyna-Soar spacecraft would have been used by NASA for civilian missions.
I had to chuckle at "in the 50s and 60s rockets had a way of exploding..." Talk to Elon Musk in 2017... the things still explode from time to time. Anytime someone takes thousands of gallons or pounds of fuel and sets it on fire... bad things will occasionally happen. And I'm with you on the "favorite that never was." Great concept.
My favorite space program that never existed is the one with the Enterprise from Star Trek
What about the proposed Douglas Ithacus? One of the more far out proposed vehicles.
Sea Dragon. It looks like it could boil off the entire Atlantic Ocean just by launching that monstrosity. Good thing that never happened. Still my favorite though.
It has to be the full Apollo Moon Landing program- Apollo 18-22. Then it should had been the full usage of the Apollo Applications Program. If Skylab could had been kept manned with APP up to the first Space Shuttle flights, more science would had been possible.
I wonder why the space-plane concept is still proving so difficult? On the surface it seems so plausible, even relatively easy.
SpaceX's trip to Mars is my favorite mission that never happened.
Is the delta clipper vintage?
Neil Armstrong saved the dinosaurs from extrintion!? HOLY SHIT!!! *spazes on the floor*
Dyna Soar was always a favorite, next would be orion and daedalus. one i'm glad didn't would be Project pluto.
"Favourite program that never came to be"? Has to be NERVA, engines for which were designed and built.
Would you do a video on the SR-72: Aurora ?
Buzz Aldrin said he made 2 (significant ) errors on the way to the moon during the Apollo 11 mission but wouldn't say at the time what they were. Did we ever find out more?
Kerry Anderson I came across this awhile back but it happened after the landing:
Q: "What's the most frightening moment that you have ever experienced in space?"
A: "I believe it was after leaving the surface of the moon and completing a successful rendezvous with Mike Collins in the command module, as we approached connecting / docking, the procedures in the checklist said one thing, and I thought maybe doing it a slightly different way, rolling and pitching instead of something else, and I thought that was better on the spur of the moment! It turns out that it was not a good thing to do, because it caused the platform to become locked, and we were not able to use the primary thrusters, the primary guidance, to control the spacecraft, to its final few feet to dock and join the other spacecraft. That was my mistake. I suggested to my commander that we do it differently, and it was his mistake to assume that i knew what I was talking about. So we both made mistakes - brought about by me! We recovered successfully on the "abort guidance" system."
Just one issue so not sure what the other one was. The above came from this site:
www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2a5vg8/i_am_buzz_aldrin_engineer_american_astronaut_and
My favorite program that never existed = THE ORION PROJECT.
Riding the shock waves of multiple nuclear blasts. Now what a way to get into space !
Lockheed L-301/Martin Marietta X-24C is my favorite aeronautical family that didn't (officially) fly.
(L-301 documents have data that appears to only have been figured out through actual testing. So.. who really knows. And Skunkworks won't say.)
It would have been awesome if the venus and mars flybys of the apollo application program had been done. Maybe we could do them with the SLS?
Hmmm tough one but maybe the manned Venus flyby but that really was a complete pipe dream.
barrivia With an upgraded SLS with the EUS, you might be capable of launching a mission. It would be a little hard, but nothing beyond our capabilities. A manned flyby of venus/mars could begin about 2025.
i always took a fancy to Orion and Nuclear Pulse Propulsion. it was and still is our best bet for going anywhere outside of this solar system.
Splat into the "Desert floor"? There were/are no launch facilities at Edwards, so we are talking Cape Canaveral here right??? I can attest that Cocoa Beach has some nice beach sand but it ain't a desert... :)
steve Fowler He flew the verification test at Edwards AFB
No, but there was one launch site in California.
Vanndenberg.