The Rise and Fall of Sokoto
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- A Victoria 2 tragedy. This West African nation is iconic in Vic2 but almost never has a player in multiplayer because it’s impossible to survive against colonialism. But in this campaign, there is a player, and he is supported by the United Kingdom as an ally in his sphere of influence. All Sokoto has to do is NOT anger his sphere lord, and he has massive potential to become a westernised African powerhouse with extensive accepted pops.
This video follows the rise: how Sokoto westernised, expanded, received investment and built an army. And then, inevitably, the tragic and completely unnecessary fall. On the way we’ll have plenty laughs, arguments and memorable moments.
For a bit more background on this Sokoto from session 1, check out The Machine Parts Shortage: • The Machine Parts Shor...
For more Victoria 2 multiplayer stories including many more from this Canada campaign: • Aragon, HRE & Nogai Ci...
Mod used: Alstadt mod 1.18. Download link on my discord.
Music, in order of appearance:
Egypt Cleopatra Industrial Theme CIV6
Mali Medieval Theme CIV6
Piano Concerto No. 5, Op. 73 Emperor II. Adagio, Beethoven
“Investigations”, Kevin MacLeod
Nocturne in B major, Chopin
Concerto Grosso in D, Op. 6, no.1, Arcangelo Corelli
Mali Atomic Theme CIV6
Coriolan Overture, Beethoven
Françaix Préludes 6: “Assai Lento”, Chopin
Orchestral suite “Air”, Bach
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Sokoto has fallen, millions must westernize
The thing that really gets me about this story is how it's unfair in a historically accurate way. UK gives Sokoto money, factories, and promises of future expansion while Sokoto gives UK colonies. Sokoto's nationalization hurt UK more on principle than in reality (only the wasted money is actually a significant loss) and in exchange UK completely shut off Sokoto from expanding at all. Really goes to show you how dangerous it is to have your country's fate completely in the hands of another player, especially when it's Perfidious Albion.
EDIT: I didn't do a good job of saying this, but the best part is that this is pretty much textbook colonial diplomacy. It's a much more faithful representation than you could get without having an African player, in any case.
Indeed, and the UK openly admitted he knew the factories wouldn't be getting enough steel to be profitable, so in essence he was condemning Sokoto to being constantly loosing money for quite some time to come. So he puts the guy in debt, the guy solves the debt, and UK gets pissy because of the ineffective factories HE wasted time building?
Egypt was right in the end, and I honestly believe the UK was just looking for an excuse to annex his former infamy slave.
Also sokoto's tech rushing in the late game proves how valuable he could have been to the UK. Wouldn't be surprised if UK couldn't defend Africa later on.
the albion smells FRESH blood
Thats why we need more people skillz
Investment is hugely beneficial to the investor as it provides enhanced common market access and it's the only way of improving industry score other than getting more pops.
"No, of course not, GB players are not bullies"
GB players:
"Said no one ever"
To answer your question he was 100% in the right imo. The UK is so strong in Vic2 that losing a million pounds is nothing to it. The industry that was invested was garbage and the UK didn't honor the deal to return Amhara to Sokoto. However, I would've shut my whore mouth anyway. Everything in the deal relied on the mercy of the UK player which meant his future as a nation did too. Big sad how he got coalitioned.
Best take. UK did sokoto super dirty but he should have known better than to poke the bear
Colonialism moment
Bad take - all he had to so was not piss of the UK and he did the one thing that pissed off like 5 people. It just makes 0 sense to do such a thing after being propped up so much. And 1 million in investments being wiped is a big deal - why let that slide?
@@eternalasquith HOLY SHIT ASQUITH RESPONDED TO MY COMMENT. YOU ABSOLUTE MADMAN. HAVE A GREAT DAY.
@@eternalasquith Oh, and fair point I guess it's definitely a perspective thing for sure.
If Sokoto had a broken mic he would have owned all of Africa
This game exemplifies why I tend to hate UK players in most games, both EU and VIC. Due to their isolated status, they can exploit people for benefits and talk about "you get what you deserve" but rarely face their own consequences for their own actions and failures to hold up deals. They promised land and didn't deliver, if they had been any other nation, this likely would have been their end diplomatically.
Of course, they rarely can take it when things do backfire. I have seen 3 UK's ragequit over losing South Africa in EU4, another when France refused to pay for the mainland (and then beat him in the resulting war), and another when his colonies rebelled. I've seen a VIC UK player ragequit because he lost a naval war to a naval France. No other nation have I seen such consistency in people ragequitting when things don't go 100% their way.
If all these ragequitting UKs get defeated, then that's surely a good thing, it shows they can be taken down and be punished for the unfair things they did when they were dominant
wow that's pretty historical, huh
Brexit moment
True. The problem is that it would take a coalition of European states to focus on navy to potentially be able to beat them. And even then it might not work. The only country who could potentially hurt the UK in Victoria is Russia if it invades and occupies india.
@@SpudgunOfficial in the vic 2 example it sounds like he lost do to faling to maintain balance of power, thus needed more backstabbing. I think uk,s need to use its power is the reason for the aggressive play.
imagine the possibilities of all the accepted pops
"You pissed me off so I'm backing out of our deal... but I won't tell you I'm backing out until much later, while the transfer war is already going on".
If I was on Sokoto I simply would not have gotten partitioned smh
Username checks out
ah yes, the most peaceful period in human history.
it unironically was
@@magnus4945 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
@@DevillTM So that's one of the three major wars that happened from 1815 to 1914 (the others being the American Civil War and the Crimean war.) Given that in most other periods of human history there was at least one major war going on at any given point that's a really good track record.
@@shogunofpie8303 you forgot the franco prussian war, but yeah basically. you can meme and post muh taiping rebellion but there wasnt a more peaceful and prosperous century in the history of civilization
Victoria 3 joke
Sokoto, U.K.
In the end the Sokoto player can unironically say he lasted longer than the U.S as Sokoto in a Vic 2 multiplayer game.
This is like a documentary on abusive relationships.
Sokoto's player could have had the best Sokoto game ever if it weren't for their pride. Even if he had a few 'useless' factories he could have made up for it for the agreements he had with Britain.
Yeah number one rule of Vic2 multiplayer is never click the nationalise button, because it puts a target on you for every great power
Let's just say, there was a reason he was put on Sokoto
@@eternalasquith Annoying?
It looks like he had several different points he could backed down. It really just was pride, or burning autism.
@@Steve_Everyman Pretty much
UK was lowkey a bit childish about it. He lost nothing in reality, and could have gained an insanely strong ally with core pops everywhere in africa, who genuinely seemed loyal to the end. All for the sake of video game RP "Honour."
These are people that have been playing with each other for years. They were kinda trolling unhold because he does annoying things. Dont read too deep into it just people on the sharkcord thst know each other.
@@texo456 I mean i guess. But i remember unhold saying he wouldve betrayed plastic down the line anyway. I was in the campaign. Its VIc 2, half of the game is these guys backstabbing each other. Diplo changes when one player doesnt need his old ally anymore. Happens a lot in the skarkcord, they dont really make personal feuds out of it considering they still play together same old same old. Half the fun of watching these videos is this stuff lol. Plastic or unhold betraying each other at some point was guaranteed so was any one of their other allies. See how fast everyone turned on Unhold when plastic said his land was up for grabs? Plastics a good player and diplo and backstabbing is a centerpiece of the game. I wouldn't take it personally cheers
@@thatonespacker8065 It is a fair point. I will admit, I kinda popped off when Unhold nationalized. But I'm also amazed someone like france didnt try to ally him, to at least try to shaft the UK out of african domination. I guess it just baffles me how quickly EVERYONE turned on him.
@@texo456 there's a reason why he was on Sokoto. Unhold isn't a reliable or competent ally. No one was interested in helping him lol. Plus Timme the guy on France also didn't want to waste time fighting a losing war over an ally he couldn't really help at the time (this happened after a big European war France lost and UK won, which allowed plastic to secure his dominance over most of Africa). Age old tale of UK naval dominance. Even so, it's not the end of Sokoto and there was a pretty cool great war.
@@thatonespacker8065 well most of the time i am just memeing .......
sokoto is power
Too powerful to be kept alive
Come back to us Asquith!!!
Funny video but imagine playing Sokoto in MP with a bunch of sharks, relying on Perfidious Albion. Like bending over backwards and asking to get rammed.
Sokoto is literally the kind of guy that's you give everything but he want more
was a meme anyway.... and this happend years ago
@@baronbrummbar8691 thank you for content :)
@@baronbrummbar8691I apologize, im sorry if you get offended. Are you the Sokoto player's?
@@alfarizz2 yeah i am un(z)hold ...... don.t worry no offense taken
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this game happend like 2 years ago and i was meming anyway .... and i and plastic don.t get along well anyway (spudgun didn.t include our wild (and moderatly racist) arguments)
Least power tripping UK player
Finally, a Sokoto player
Sokoto is certainly far more playable in modded variants of Vic2, in which it can actually conquer its neighbours and have the potential to westernize before the Europeans threaten to colonize it, especially if the Scramble is postponed in some mods to the 1880s, or even the 1890s
Sokoto, the only player to lose a transfer war
Prussia didn’t say on va leur percer le flanc, but thank you for fixing it
He didn't, but he tried, and that's what he meant, so that's what counts
Can confirm that's what I was trying to say
I think I agree with most other people here. UK abused his power knowing he could, but Sokoto should've known that he was completely at UK's mercy. At the end of the day, all that matters is who could beat the other in a war and Sokoto couldn't do it alone and had no support.
Paying respects to the greatest Sokotian/Sokot sultan Ambasing Ambatukam who died aiding the chechen rebellion 😥😥😭
Sokoto nation ruined by clicking a single decision, F
you know what after over a year of break from vic2 ......... i might do another sokoto run .. hahahahahahahaha UNHOLD IS BACK
I had a really shitty week, thanks for ending it on a high note Spud
Just curious. What accually natIonalized industry change for UK from Like game mechanic. What exacly investing in other country do Aside of making them produce stuff u could want heave in sphere and giving u industry score?
Loses industry points, wasted money, loses the additional boost to sphering from investment
Thank u for info spudgun. Heave a good day.
It is so easy to not be a bad sphereling lol. My man was literally going to be handed everything, and he threw it away for something small.
Bro I don’t even understand what the point of nationalizing industry as sokoto is. It was such a weird move.
@@Shayrin2 best I can guess is he just saw they were unprofitable and didn't think about the consequences.
nah it's extremely obvious UK was just looking for any reason not to go through with the deal. If he didn't nationalize the industry it was gonna be some other thing or he would have gotten the Egypt treatment
GB built a bunch of shitty unprofitable factories in his country and he was going in debt because of it
like machine parts factory in a country which doesnt make steel domestically lmao@@Shayrin2
Honestly the funniest bit is how you spin this, I'd have spun the story to UK as fucking over the other GP's investments or some BS but it was pure stubborness on both sides that ruined a great thing (Massive Long Sokoto)
And finally more vicky 2!!!
good armenia gcide joke, feels fucked up to type but made me laugh
Lmao that Wakanda clip got me good 😂😂
the west africa has fallen
Maybe it wasn't about the industry we lost, but the Sokoto we made along the way
As much of an entitled, undiplomatic jackass as Sokoto was, the UK was still in the wrong there. 'REEEEE NATIONLISITION' is a completely unwarranted response when you hold the state's existence in your hand and choose to make fruitless investments (that don't even really matter when you're the greatest power in the world anyway) - UK admitted that Sokoto was worthless to him, but the moment he got the appropriate comeuppance for his neglect he blew a gasket. Sokoto may have been a draining asshole, but the way the UK handled the whole affair was still unforgivable.
Modern day Icarus…
Sakoto was using the nigerian prince strategy, he almost get away with it
While its definitely not a fair exchange of your entire nation for nationalization, its always bad diplo to bite the hand that feeds you. Doing anything to get on the bad side of your benefactor and greatest ally that results in total collapse is just cause and effect. Britain just decided that Sokoto was no longer an ally, its on Sokoto to convince his spherelord that he's worth protecting instead of conquering.
How many times did the dutch player asked for a grant from brittain?
Its a real reflection of victorian economics
Severely missing some based screeching when sokoto nationalized, its so boring when everybody lets the world nr 1 just do whatever they want
It’s never been more over than right now
Babe wake up new Spudgun posting just dropped
you do such a good job of making these cinematic, much better then weevils vids which almost feel like teenagers shouting at each other whilst im not sure what happening on screen
don't knock the weevil! he's learning!
@@SpudgunOfficial yes the end of his videos are very good, i wish only that he would move that dialogue forward
You thought that this will be a story about underdog. Turns out it's a story of a fall of nation who ask for too much especially since Sokoto is highly dependant on foriegn favor but Sokoto constantly push the patience limit on his benefactor until they have enough
I think they should have given Sokoto all of africa so he can larp as wakanda,think of the accepted pops
I saw “The Fall of Sokoto,” and felt so sad…what kind of Vic2 sweatlords are dedicated to crushing an unusual and interesting campaign?
By halfway through the video, I was eager to see them partitioned.
Nah, UK was being a bitch.
I think at a certain point it was just straight up bullying
yeah plastic and i don.t get along well
Great video, like always!
0:45 Spud, there is a reason why there are no states in the region and only a few has actual tags.
Africa was barely a part of the world trade system before the Scramble and most of the time there were no big conflicts, what required European Great Powers to send tens of thousands of soldiers to capture the region.
The game represents the small tribal states with the expedition and colonisation mechanic, because most of the time the colonization wasn't done by armies, but by making deals with the local elite.
On the safe side it also removes a huge issue with the world market. Because pops in uncolonized territories does not have any demands, so they will not eat up any leftover iron or grain from the world market. And another positive thing is, that leaving the population outside of tagged nations converses the numbers, while giving them to random-ass african tribals kingdoms could mean really huge pop losses, because these nations will not be able to fullfill the basic needs of these pops and were subjects for cholera epidemics and potato blights.
And since the game is about the actual big players of the era, like the modernised western states or big asian states, like China or Japan, Africa, what most of the time just sits there waiting to be colonized doesn't needed to be included.
Those who are there are nations, who could and did resisted european colonization attempts, like Abyssinia, Sokoto and the Zulu.
Yeah you are completely right about that. My issue is that Sokoto itself actually goes against this; if their aim was to use "uncolonised land" to represent all the different tribes and states of Africa, then why is Sokoto there? Why did they pick Sokoto specifically to have as a playable country and not just leave it uncolonised too? Was Sokoto somehow more advance and like a modern state than everything else there?
It really sticks out, Sokoto has been that funny anomaly all these years in Victoria 2 and that's why I love it so much and find making a video about it particularly fun
Plus, Zulu and Ethiopia being there make a lot of sense because Ethiopia survived colonisation, and Zulu is possibly the most famous native African tribal nation in the 19th century, and they did beat back the British in one battle, AND they are in a part of Africa which starts the game densely packed, and leaving it would look like a big gap.
This is such a huge topic actually, and it does remind me of that one guy who quite literally did make a video essay about this, haha ruclips.net/video/93MeQZYwsi8/видео.html&t
@@SpudgunOfficial
"Why did they pick Sokoto specifically..."
Because the Caliphate of Sokoto was the only nation in Sahel-Africa what had the resources and manpower to actually fight a convential war against the european great powers. It looks silly on the map, but it's the local great power and it makes sense to include them as a tagged nation to fight against. It's not like Ashanti, where only a few hundred soldiers fought.
"...it does remind me of that one guy who quite literally did make a video essay about this..."
Yeah, I saw that one.
Left the same comment for him as well, that including more states in a map game is not the end of western civilization :D
@@StalkerQtya that isnt the argument of that video lmao. Sounds more like a response to the title than anything else.
Having an ungrateful sphereling ugh 🙄
I can't really watch this, UK and even Spud are quite selfish and childish for bullying a Sokoto for nationalizing his industry. He could have been a great ally if he was given a big part of inland Africa, this is just sad and diabolical.
typical plastic moment
Idk why Sokoto didn’t just promise to pay back the money in some way eventually, with even more accepted pops it would have been actually possible maybe. Maybe it was skill issue or language barrier, probably not the latter. The uk player was a buffoon tho, bullying players because he thought it was funnier than it actually was.
A reminder that Jaeger tried to encircle a navy
Bruh, I don’t get why Sokoto's argument for stealing factories by nationalizing was that they sucked. Like, my brother in christ if the factories sucked so bad, don’t take them for your benefactor.
I not familiar with Vicky II multiplayer.
Is there any reason at all to pick Sakoto other than to have some silly fun? Because it just looks like you have to bend backwards to please the other players if you want something.
Silly fun, even in single player sokoto isn’t good. They have bad resources and nowhere to conquer
Its all about that 1 in 1000000 chance of pulling something off as Sokoto and getting major rep for it. Sokoto almost always gets partioned/conquered by the GPs so seeing a Sokoto player is cool.
On the other hand judging by how this Sokoto played did his diplo and clicked nationalise im guessing he was put on Sokoto because he's new and could learn to play in the relatove safety of UKs sphere.
All my mans had to do was not whine (even when he's got the right of it), and he would be a westernised huge sokoto with millions of accepted pops.
BIG UNHOLD MOMENT
aka unzold
The name unZold sounds like a russia supporter name now. But this wasn't going on at the time of this campaign
@@SpudgunOfficial clarification for shareholders
nah i aprove of Unzold
Sokoto's player reminds me of Sacha Baron Cohen's Bruno.
Yooo spud video at last. Watchig this with some popcorn.
The Sokoto has fallen
Billions must die
Lore of The Rise and Fall of Sokoto momentum 100
Finally, more peace
this is actually sad
If only Sokoto listened to UK when he said "just be quiet".
Honestly, it is incredibly unfair to go to "Nationalization = Annexation/Game End", and the UK was on a powertrip for most of it (Fair enough for UK's in all honesty because they are nearly untouchable in VIC II with mildly competent players). But, Sokoto pushed the limits. He'd already annoyed every other GP, so he should of taken his smaller land, and convinced UK to hand over the rest later. A large accepted Pop infamy slave is useful for UKs.
He just kept biting and biting at the UK by the end, that, despite my criticisms of the UK, I'd probably have suggested annexing him or at least not giving him any of his land. As a Sphereling, you have to be essentially servile to your very powerful Spherelord, unless you know you have GP aid. If he had a France and Germany, ready to come in and bail him out, then yeah, antagonize the UK, but if everyone hates you, the diplo says to be submissive.
Not even done with the video and there's already been four commercial breaks.. wth YT
Sorry I need to put food on the table
@@SpudgunOfficial No worries, get that bread!
I guess I just never noticed till I stopped paying for Premium.
Thought YT was trying to push me to resub.
How does the infamy transfer work btw? Sokoto declares and makes the CB and then the game file is edited, or is there an ingame way to do it? That's another thing open VIC2 would need along with netcode, EU4 style province trading and vassal management
Ah I see there is a custom CB for the transfers, presumably with no infamy. Btw how dangerous is infamy in MP, given the AI isn't much of a threat, do other players actually go kill high infamy nations?
In MP, going above 25 infamy rarely has any impact. Players don't just do containment wars like the AI, unless we need a convenient way to declare a quick surprise war. Above 32.5 infamy, the sanctions modifier gets applied which is devastating, so that's the real limit
I kinda hate this rp in general but it actually makes sense for it to be a historically accurate one
nah plastic just hates me
Hausabros... its so over
Plastic is really mean
More Canada please
Hey Spud have you ever thought about playing Diplomacy? Since you love strategizing and making stories based on your games I think you and your friends would really enjoy it. Hope you give it some thought.
the first rule of diplomacy. never ever make deals with the UK.
it's over sokotobros
Sounds like Sokoto guy tried to coast by with free gibs from the UK and got mad the gibs were not good enough also tried to be really subversive but then got mad when people got mad over it tbh.
this episode is sooo good
The Sokoto has fallen... It's over... Millions must nationalize
Yo new spudgun video
I have very limited knowledge of vic2 mp but game ruining Egypt seemed completely unnecessary. Like obviously I would understand a Prussia having to kill a Bavaria to get germany but I don’t think it applies here. He even let Italy put the final nail on the coffin.
German Angry Guy moment
Honestly the UK was much nicer then they were in history
It's a game but it has a pecking order and hierarchy. You need to fit in or you die.
If he was going to turn on the UK, he should’ve excepted the deal and sided against them whenever a Great War popped off
I hate the look of that Mexico-Canada border.
Unmistakably
Sokoto deez nuts ooooo
Wow, Sokoto could have had so much but he just couldn’t stop complaining about the factories and money people gave him, which they didn’t have to give him in the first place. I think he was also trying to play the UK by having Germany peered him but people got sick of his shit
The factories were bankrupting him, the UK built them knowing he couldn't get steel for them to make a profit and would have to nationalise and shut them down, giving the UK a pretext to invade.
The factories may have been bankrupting, but as Sokoto you cannot expect to have a good economy at all PLUS the UK did give him hundreds of thousands possibly millions in grants
@@SpudgunOfficial you still don't bite the hand that feeds you, unless you've got a bigger hand under the table
I dunno, to be fair the UK player was basically just taking the piss out of the Sokoto player for being a sphereling. Honestly I would've rather nation ruined.
The Wakanda clip has me rolling 😹😹😹
Y'all are enabling bullying by british.
codependent relationship moment
15:04 The child soldiers of Sokoto will defeat the western dogs.
The great Sokoto Pyramid Scheme
0:56
Daily reminder, that 1836-1936 is the most peaceful era of human history.
This was indeed silly
3:41 Spicy
Spudgang Spudgang Spudgang
SPOUT EXIT HELL YEAH
Unhold could not keep up with having Sokoto Forever when the economy is still in stormy waters. He chose the wrong decision if he were a ship captain and tried to set course into the abysmal whirlpools of nationalization.
From machine parts to the Scramble for Sokoto, we shall now look forward to this nation that threw away it’s rewards the moment they have notified their benefactors that they are going to lose their businesses abroad here in the Hausaland Misled by Inept Monarchs that administer Sokoto
The Sokoto player was very prideful and foolish
UK player knows how to be a sugar daddy a bit too well
Typical german, he’s too proud to even keep his nation alive
WAKANDA FOREVER