New Zealand rugby pundits react to Ireland beating the All Blacks at home | The Breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2022
- The Breakdown rugby show is back with Kirstie Stanway, Steven Bates, Isaac Boss and Jeff Wilson as they review Ireland's stunning win over New Zealand rugby. #TheBreakdown
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Jeff Wilson is really trying to devalue that win constantly reminding everyone of the red card.Ireland dominated the game start to finish.Ireland we’re ahead with 15 NZ players on the field.Also he forgot to say Ireland we’re also down to 14 with James Ryan being sin binned.
Yeah Jeff does this all the time. He's possibly the most biased commentator going around. He can't comprehend the All Blacks losing.
Totally agreed so biased and when they lose in Ireland they are too tired and when they win in NZ it's unfair lol
He doesn’t like referees who pick up the various illegal All Black tactics. eg the last penalty Ireland kicked was for taking a player out past a ruck. Did Wilson not see that it made it as 3 score game. That was at least the2nd time it was picked up.
@@andrewbowers92 Either could Sid Going.
You must admit it did fuck the game,not taking anything from the great Irish win!!!
Well done Ireland from NZ🍺
Imagine what the NZers would be saying about the Irish management if Ireland lost a key player due to (us) not fully understanding the Laws of “their” game.
Most kiwis like me think Ireland totally deserves their victory over our weak all black squad with outdated coaches,it's probably exactly the wake up they needed but will still have the same come next world cup and we'll see I guess,and most of us have hoped that after was it 40 or something years Ireland deserves at least one win a
So the guy on the right is complaining that it was 13 men v 15? Is he complaining because the ref didn’t allow foul play? 🤷♂️
Yep, also misses the fact that the all blacks cards came under Ireland pressure, they weren’t out of the blue random errors, lucky not to get a penalty try against them for the tackle without the ball
Yeah, it is not fair play if the ABs get pinged and carded for foul play.
@@camerontinkler4385 it was a tackle without the ball wasn't it, don't remember an intentional knock on.
@@RazorMouth yep my bad sorry
Ya the TMO and slow mo has taken the shine of the mighty all blacks not getting with the shit they got away with for yeats
...and then Ireland went and won the decider 32-22. Excellent game. A 4-3 try fest, in favour of Ireland. Sexton at 37 years of age was incredible. And THAT try by All Black player Jordan, was perfect. The emotional scenes from certain Irish players showed just how much that series win meant to them. And to the people of Ireland. WELL DONE.
It's not that complicated. A good team who kept their discipline and didn't make too many mistakes beat a good indisciplined team who made loads of mistakes. In the 1st test Ireland many loads of mistakes and lost. Any of the top 4 or 5 teams in the world can beat each the other at the moment.
I'd say any of the top 10. They've all either done it in recent years or came very close in tight matches.
Ireland really need to work on their handling errors and being more clinical. We have left countless tries behind us in the past 3games. NZ were always clinical and very rarely, no matter who they played, left tries behind them. Ireland definitely need to work on that. Thought Lowe should have been subbed, he didn't have a good game, his errors were too high
Well done Ireland, goodluck on the next game. From NZ😎😎
I disagree with Jeff on a few of his calls. By saying that it isn't a fair fight for being a man down is incorrect. The All Blacks are the ones responsible for that and they served the consequences of it. Furthermore, if any team wasn't playing on a fair playing field was Ireland as they there should have been a red card for the hit on Mack Hansen and a penalty try for the tackle on Ringrose off the ball
The All Blacks need to reflect on their discipline and have suffered the consequences of some pretty malicious tactics at times
I didnt understand that either. How is it not a fair fight if the All Blacks are responsible for giving themselves a crutch.
I normally like Jeff Wilson but think he was way off mark in this session
If the AB's think like Jeff, they will lose again at the weekend.
Griping about cards and referees get you nowhere.
Focus on what you can control and adapt.
You can be certain this is what Ireland will be doing.
Honest self criticism.
Ignore Jeff , he a huge fan of Bryce Laurence. From SA.
@@Enoch940 that red card was a joke tho
All that Irish squad would need for motivation this week is to listen to Jeff Wilson. Such a warped self consoling view on what happened. Red cards can always change the nature/outcome of any game but throwing it in effectively as the only reason as to why the all blacks lost which is what he was inferring is surprisingly disingenous and poor sportmanship. Im surprised to hear it from a former great who should know better and give a more measured view. Isaac Boss put him well and truly in back in his box. Hope most AB fans don't reduce that game to cards alone I know they know better. Sometimes a team is just better on a given day. There seems to be more important issues with that AB squad to address than ill discipline.
You got this bang on.
He likes the sound of his own voice….
It is a wonderful insight into the NZ mentality, that a red card is viewed by NZ commentators as a compete accident of fate, something like a stroke of luck for the other team, which they are not worthy of and which gives them an unfair advantage whereas it is actually a response to a team cynically and illegally trying to gain an advantage by physically assaulting a member of the other team in a manner which if not on a field of play might well result in a criminal conviction. NZ commentator says "You can't say it is a fair fight" after the NZ player is sent off after committing what is viewed as a serious transgression by the referee and which might otherwise be seen as an illegal assault. Actually if you have a player red carded it is usually because you are unable to keep up with the opposition and are trying to intimidate them. NZ's red card came when Ireland were comfortably ahead. Rugby is a physical sport, but this does not legitimise some of the actions viewed in this match. If rugby has any hope of continuing as a sport, it will need to wake up because no sane parent will allow their children to play this game if deliberately aiming to injure an opponent is tolerated. And even worse when they are penalised for doing so, it is viewed as simply a misfortunate act of the gods
Give credit to the Irish.
Your man Jiff is a dose I don't know what tist match he was watching, Sixton was immense
Typical new Zealand bad loser, Ireland won end of story, England fan
🤣🤣🤣
it certainly was a fair game! ab's should've had 2 reds and Ireland should've got a penalty try
This episode of "The Breakdown" was a particularly egregious example of how much the NZ TV rugby commentariat are in the pocket of the corporate rugby gravy train. It was obvious that they had got the memo that were not allowed to criticise the coaches, selections or tactics of the All Blacks as part of the cosy (monopoly) Sky/NZRFU relationship. Just drivel about the "intensity" and "passion". However, the print media here in NZ has clearly lost patience with Foster and his tactics and selections and have spent this entire week either outright laying into the coaching set up or "just asking pointed questions". Sky TV offers up amateurish and emotionally insincere nonsense all the time both in it's match commentary and its analysis. It has a complete monopoly and it shows.
There is such a contrast between the New Zealand match commentators (who are the best rugby tv booth anywhere, by a country mile) analysis during the game and, this 'Breakdown' show.
@@fawltyoldboybasil.2178 I think the NZ commentary team is way better than the pitiful Aussies on Stan but I don't agree they are the best. My gold standard is the Aussie NRL commentary teams and they do two things the NZ Sky rugby commentators don't. First, they don't treat their viewers like idiots and that leads to the second thing which is an emotional intelligence which means they don't spend the entire match sounding like five years on a sugar high.
sadly thats close to the truth
Nz live commentary is up there. Probably the best. I just don't know how these lads get away with these bad takes
@@amberleaf3n144 Yeah, fair call, I'm not a Kiwi but I can appreciate your live commentators as being pretty fair and knowledgable. Much better than the awful Aussie and Saffer commentators, and that giant twat Stuart Barnes in England.
Good man Isaac.
Jesus the other two didn't take losing too well did they!
What specifically did Batesy say that made him look like a sore loser?
Only one of them was making excuses
@@slickboxingidentityveritas1932 yeah my initial feelings after the game were similar. I hate cards man. But once I cooled off and re watched it. Ireland just played better rugby and that’s all that matters
Interesting point Jeff makes about being down to 14 men and the momentum changing. Didn't seem to put Australia off their Stride against England the previous Saturday when they lost someone to a red card.
Just face it mate. The rugby world is playing on a level playing field because of skills development, fitness and discipline
And the refs are no longer letting the Abs get away with playing 'McCall Ball'
I won't criticize him for going on about the red card but that was their own fault plus i remember not so long ago the the all blacks would have made mince meat of the Irish with 14 men
Watching this after the third test just makes it so much sweeter hearing Jeff make excuses.
Ireland scored their first try 15v15 and second 14v14
Yes and Ireland we’re down to 14 men for 10 minutes
Abolutely love the massive sh1t eating grin from Boss. What a hero!
I think he always looks that way and he was NZ born (Tokoroa) one of their many exports
1st test the score DID NOT reflect how close Ireland were on at least five occasions to scoring a try. Ireland played well up to the point of execution. If our execution had been better it’s very possible that Ireland would won the first test. When we were more clinical in the 2nd test you saw the outcome.
Ireland just didn’t cough up cheap scores like the first test ..
NZ found it hard to break Ireland down .
Ireland remind me of the Brumbies in super rugby back in the 90s.Once they had the ball they had the ability to retain ruck after ruck and were only beaten by off the cuff brilliant plays from nz teams.Same again.Ireland are just very well structured very well coached.I think from now on the top 6 teams will be toe to toe in every game which is actually good for rugby though we really want the top 10 teams beating each other i think.
Aw man listen to this *goose* nothing to do with you playing *14* for majority of the game lol man some ppl lol
@@MeanAzz_13 should of been 12 but you forgot the rules
@@moc7323 being down a player definitely helped
It's so fun to watch this interview after the 3rd test LOL
So proud to be irish 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪 well done lads ❤
Proud to be Irish? Said no one, seriously, ever. Lots of pretenders though
@@MKRM27 I take it your English
We have worked years for this, so happy ❤
No mention that the ABs were lucky not to have two people sent off.
This clown is a bad loser Ireland won end of story, from an England supporter
Or that there should've been a penalty try, or that NZ should've lost an extra player when it had to go to uncontested!
Wilson is shocking, red card is down to All Blacks and the error of Savea is again an All Blacks coaching bad call to take him off.
I agree...he's usually not so defensive. His analysis lacked logic.
Exactly, blame the dangerous tackle, not the red
I'd love to see Ireland win it
Until NZ coaching aims to eliminate foul play rather than "playing on the edge", there will be a problem in modern international play - tackling beyond, leg grabbing, projecting entitlement will work with weak referees; but the inert referees that NZ has thrived on in the past will become rarer. There is inconsistency at the moment, which is in nobody's interest.
Putting the sides in context, in NZ, rugby is the national sport with all that implies. In Ireland it is way below GAA games and soccer in popularity; and it has a restricted social class problem, particularly in Leinster the most populous province; there are only a few hundred professional playersin the country; not all eligible for Ireland.
A few hundred? More like just over 100!
@@allanlyons1531 The IRFU claims between 2 and 3 hundred. Leinster has about 60. Not all are Irish qualified.
Football is the most popular sport worldwide by far because the ball is round. You don't even need a team to play it, let alone a field. You can do a lot with a sphere, and less with an egg.
Is that a social problem? Maybe one day the world will go rugby mad & kids from Mexico to China will be tossing the egg to one another on their way home from school. Unlikely.
Gaelic football will conquer the world one day, though.
Hit the nail on the head there m8. SPOT ON. The game is moving on, some of the shit even as recent past as Richie McCaw used to do, is being pulled up now. Need to adapt quickly. The French for me are head and shoulders right now and unless lessons are learned everyone will get one in the next world cup.
As an irish fan id imagine ab fans should be hoping ireland win next week cos id be very scared about coming up against an ab team coached by schmidt or robertson.
Schmidt would be amazing for the abs but I think this north south gap has closed
Before the tour even started a lot of NZ supporters were hoping we lose the series so the NZRU either sack Ian Foster or Ian Foster does the honourable thing and resign. I can't see either happening regardless what happens but Sam Cane definitely shouldn't even be in the team let alone be captain. After this series the AB's have two tough tests in South Africa. The best thing us fans can do is get behind Ian Foster because like it or not he's not going anywhere until the end of the 2023 RWC.
Yes I'm very conflicted.
@@wellingtonian2009 didn't Schmidt say he wouldn't take a lead role with the All Blacks before the World Cup out of respect for Ireland or something to that extent?
Mate, absolutely. This current shambles needs to be blown up altogether!
When the all blacks had 13 Ireland 14. Also when Ireland scored there tries both teams had same number of players on the pitch.
He's giving ridiculous excuses and is a bad loser, Ireland won fair and square and I'm English
In all honesty we should have won by a lot more and NZ should of had 2 red cards. They also gave away 6 consecutive penalties on their 5 meter line without a yellow card!
Ireland took 3 pointers when in usual games vs the all blacks they'd kick to the corner as usually about 30 points or more are needed to beat the ABs.
The scoreline doesn't matter that much, Sexton was game managing as he didn't think the all blacks had enough to score 3 tries plus.
Sexton shouldn’t be playing he’s going to have alzheimers by the time he’s 40. And won’t remember his kids names and that’s on the Irish coach at the moment.
@@jayw6211 I mean tbf sexton might want to be continuing, and they cant just get rid of their long time captain right before the world cup. He did say hes retiring after the WC.
Some New Zealand pundits complete disbelief at being reffed correctly and flat out whinging about it is truly astonishing. The fans seem to have taken it well as normal, but some in the media really making a show of themselves. Jeff Wilson sounds more like a child making excuses than anything else
Im not being in any way pompous or over confident, but as an Irishman, And having first watched my beloved country at getting pumped all those years ago in 2001, Lansdowne Road by Jonah Lomu and co 40-29... We were all mesmerized. Never thought Id see these days. I'm reveling in this achievement and by how much we have improved in our beautiful game! Now with young kids of my own playing tap rugby and watching our modern stars doing the business down under, I'm extremely proud. Not over confident at all for this week, but extremely proud!
Wilson is a disgrace.
He's fully immersed in that Egyptian river.
LOLOL....From Canada never heard of that one before. Beauty 🤣🤣🤣
@@sports2hedz542 Glad you like it. Your welcome to borrow it. Regards from Edinburgh. Love your beautiful country. I've a Scottish mate living in Georgian Bay.
@@speak_your_truth. cheers mate! Scottish heritage , here 😊 . I'll say hi to your friend
Excellent comment.
Great comment 👍
I not an expert, but I did think that the Hansen challenge was a red card also? 🤔
Go Ireland ! No excuses.
Pressure is all on NZ in final test. The tour is already a big success for Ireland - at least in terms of public perception. But NZ management may be playing for their jobs and also some of the older players may get jettisoned completely after this series. Maybe NZ will react well to the pressure, but so far I feel they haven't been trying to win so much as waiting for Ireland to lose. When Ireland didn't implode in Test 2 NZ didn't really look to have a plan - or at least no plan b. Also, all luck so far has gone NZ's way - two very lucky tries in Test 1 (1 intercept and 1 crazy bounce) and then Barrett's freakish try in Test 2 - all Irish tries have been well-worked from multiple phases. NZ very lucky not to give away 2 reds and a penalty try in Test 2. But, ok, water under the bridge. Great that there is a decider - and may the best team win.
Yup. We don't set up tries very well over multiple phases through clever thinking. We wait for an opportunity for our x factor attacking skills to do the job - that's not a game plan.
Big grin on Isaac’s face 😁
Couldent help himself
Ireland. Ireland. Together standing tall shoulder to shoulder...We'll answer Irelandds call.. Xxxxxxxx
Pipe down Jeff Wilson. It’s a fair fight if a bloke gets fairly red carded! It happens week in week out. Tackle lower and learn to take a loss with some grace.
Yeah he forgot to say Ireland we’re down to 14 when James Ryan was sin binned.
What proof do you have that Ta'avao could have adjusted his height in the tackle at .54 of a second? This is WIlson's argument and your only counter argument is that it happens week in, week out? LOL!
Thats the woman journalist who said England had no chance at all of beating the All Blacks in the world cup semi final.
Or, you know, just “journalist“.
Surely after that Ireland Quarterfinal where the ABs demolished them, many, many were very confident. England out planned and out thought the ABs.
@@Dilmahkana I mentioned the female journalist because of her arrogance at the time, there was a entire TV program about her telling a English journalist that England had no chance at all.
@@patrickkelly7085 oh, I don't care you singled her out.
I'm only questioning your use of 'woman journalist' as opposed to just 'woman' or 'journalist'. It implies to me that you might have a default, that a (sports) 'journalist' is a man, and a 'woman journalist' is woman who is a journalist.
@@Dilmahkana Are you numerically blind there were four journalists talking about the game she (is it ok to call her she ?) if i just said journalist how would you know who i was talking about plus she was the journalist who appeared on the TV show I watched who was so arrogant it was a pleasure to see the All Blacks get beaten just so it knocked her down a peg or two you must be one of those millennials i keep hearing about, the ones who no longer know if they are male or female i can only give you basic advice on that subject as it never cropped up in my generations conversations, next time you are in the shower check your nether regions if you have a appendage or a extra bit to wash your a male, I hope that helps.
As a young man i was privileged enough to play in the waikato, I was fully immersed in New Zealand culture and the immensity of what rugby means too the people and the country. Its a shock to the nations pride! The backlash will be ferocious, Irelands reaction will tell if ireland really are world class. Very proud Irishman! 👏 Goldie have a day off mate and pick up the toys!
Goldies ok. Actually probably speaks the most sense and honest
@@garrytito2068 can't take away from his passion!!
yea next week will be the true acid test as to where we really stand. lets just hope its a classic. the fact we just one in new zealand and still have holes to pick in the side it so surreal. wer punchin big the big boys now, lets hope our chin holds up. much love to new zealand from ireland
@@bobby_bouche my thoughts exactly, would j love s series win....of course, would I prefer a semi final 18 months hense....
To be fair the Irish have been the best team the abs have faced the last 3 years. Not England or South Africa. Or Australia. France has one win in 10 years…
Poor Jeff hankering for the days when the All Blacks were immune to cards, he is still annoyed that a ref had the cheek to give Sunny Bill a red for simply shoulder tackling someone already being tackled and heading to ground in the head.
The point of argument that Wilson was trying to make was how much reaction time did Ta'avao have to get into a low position to make a tackle - Wilson claims that at .54 of second is impossible therefore his argument in defence.
Instead rather than addressing Wilson's point of argument the best you can offer is SBW tackle 5 years ago - how does that debunk WIlson's point!
@@thefobbie0034 So why did he (not me) bring up Williams?
@@porcupineinapettingzoo - Because he was emphasizing the point of how the Ta'avao red card changed the game - just as the SBW tackle changed the game for the ABs in 2017 vs Lions!
However your ad hominem argument "for the days when the All Blacks were immune to cards" implies that Ta'avao's red card was fair therefore supports what you argued yet WIlson says otherwise to which you never disproved!
@@thefobbie0034 No the sore loser was trying to downplay Ireland's win, "it wasn't a fair fight" like with SBW in the Lions, well guess what, Ireland were winning and attacking with 15 v 15, their next try was when both teams were 14 v 14 and the only criticism of Ireland is they didn't win by more so how does that card change the game, the Ozzies beat the English with 14 and they were a lot more than 3 points behind at half time?
Meanwhile the Maori's got a penalty try and Ireland a yellow for the exact tackling off the ball that NZ went unpunished for last weekend, no team in world rugby gets away with as much as moanly NZ and no team moans as much when decisions go against them.
The rules are in black and white head collisions will lead to a card whether there is intent or not, just as forward passes are punished whether intented or not, or booting the ball out on the full, why do I need to disprove the international rules of rugby union to a sour grape drinking former international?
It's amazing what happens when a game is reffed properly. If ABs don't get away with playing in the grey areas they don't dominate as much.
Reffed properly?!? BS. Piper ignored Ireland and NZ encroaching the line a crazy amount of times. The ref job was terrible at best.
@@ashinch0r maybe he means reffed more equitably. I see the Maori ABs got a penalty try awarded for an early tackle when a few days earlier the ABs got the “home field decision”.
No worries mate, we are used to it at this stage over the years…. E.g. Like letting the late and reckless/dangerous hit on Mack Hansen’s head off with a yellow.
@@drdecco1 But Sexton never passed the ball therefore what conclusive evidence do you have that Ringrose would have scored?
Equitable? You mean like how Ireland scrum for penalties? How about the offside? How about the blatant illegal block that the linesman missed when Irish forward took out a Maori AB tackler from a rolling maul making space for the Irish hooker that eventually led to Timoney's try? How about the neck tackle on Sullivan to keep him up from going to ground to turn a tackle ball in to a maul?
Hey I am the first to admit that we are getting schooled by Ireland on how to play pressure rugby but 2 can play this pathetic kid's game you are playing here!
Where's Kirwin when you need him? Jeff Wilson is talking through his trousers here. It was a fabulous game. Ireland got the ABs in a headlock that caused their discipline to go to pieces. There's no reason to expect Ireland to do anything other than bring the same at the weekend. NZL need to get it in gear.
Point of interest: Ofa Tuungafasi was exposed quite early for his decision making and Ireland made sure to capitalize, miss tackles defense scrambling and pressure exposed to broken play and speed plays.
Apart from all the discipline stuff, I feel like in the last year the AB's have lacked creativity. There are a limited number of players in the world who can truly break a game open. We lacked that flair that Will Jordan, Kieran Read, McKenzie, Nonu, Carter, Cruden, Dagg and others have brought to the Jersey in the last decade. Its a big creative burden for just Beauden particularly once Ardie comes off.
I think we try a little bit to beat these teams at their style, instead of them having to adapt to our style. One of the things that was synonymous with playing the prime ABs from 08-18 was that it felt like there was 15 backs out there because of how skilled our forwards were. Constantly they would rumble up the middle with offloads and perfectly timed tip passes. I havent seen that from this pack in a while, and Ireland's forwards looked the more skilled, physicality aside.
Then in the back line, if we are going to pick our 'power' players (Leicester, Tupaea, Jordie) instead of our creatives, then we have to win collisions. I didnt feel like we were any more powerful than the Irish. Lack of creativity was felt for sure - only 2 tries (1 lucky, 1 inconsequential). To some degree I think fortune favors the bold and at the minute the ABs feel quite safe.
I absolutely agree, our line attack was weak and the constant kicking for position is NOT working for us.
Personally I think it's wider tactics. The formations ABs play are now used by everyone and have been innovated on to improve them. ABs overall game hasn't changed, the rest of the world has caught up and in some cases surpassed. There's still moments of genius and sheer individual talent but overall you couldn't say ABs are leading the way in terms of how to play effective rugby anymore. For me, that's a management issue which needs to be addressed.
The Huge smile is just amazing
Some in NZ struggling to come to terms with being penalised for illegal behaviour - which is long overdue
If youre gonna complain about the ABs having 14/13 members then blame them for it, all of that was caused by stupid decisions by the all blacks
Not to mention australia won their first test with 14 men
And they should have had another red card and Barrett should have been cited from last week
Penalty try too.
@@jeffrey89095 what happened with Barrett last week that he should have been cited?
Explain to me how Fainga'anuku could move during a charge-down in mid-air to avoid the collusion with the Irish winger kicking the ball?
I am interested to know would you have been able to change your body position in .54 of a second into a tackle position?
They keep mentioning Sonny Bill's red card, but if I can remember correctly he ran with his shoulder directly into the other players head. I don't know how you can compare the two...
Both clear reds!
Yes exactly, it was a clear red. I dare say even more so than the one against the Irish player.
The series win was so inspirational from Ireland.
Well done IRL, a deserved win, totally outplayed the AB's
Yawn! If NZ players are going to break the rules, they’re going to be penalised. I know lots of Kiwis struggle with that simple fact.
As a neutral i have to say that the AB’s have definitely lost their aura of invincibility.
Front row - rubbish
Second row - ageing
Back row - rubbish (apart from savea. Sam cane is a joke. Wales have at least FOUR no7s better than him)
Backs - Half brilliant/half rubbish
Time to face facts lads, no one is scared of you anymore.
They’re definitely not a classic vintage
Whether you're a neutral or not this is how it should be. Between two sides before the game the outcome should be in doubt. Ideally, countries should be constantly swoping wins!
Jaco Peyper & the 4th official also missed the fact NZ should have forfeited an extra player beyond the red card for not then being in a position to contest the scrummage. It's what befell Italy in the 6N.
Good man Isaac 👍
I cannot wait to watch all the test matches. 💪
God almighty Jeff is a dose !
This 3rd test is going to be epic. Can't wait.
S-ALL-TY BLACK WILSON
The Irish pack is world class and experienced.
We will see when the ABS will have a top coach !😂😂😂
@@drisszyani3497 Ireland have been smoking the ABs more often than not for the last 4 years
@@drisszyani3497 Bloody hell!! A little bit of humility. Very sad.
@@drisszyani3497 excuses
🤣🤣🤣 until they play the french
I get the impression that only Bryn Hall and James Parsons take the time to watch northern hemisphere rugby. The rest of the fellas seem to be winging it when talking about the opposition for these games
As for the Coaching and selection of the starting XV... Its quite evident the strength and of the momentum build up to a solid flow is lacking in the combinations...why is this kind of pattern not being iron out before selections.
We need to give Ireland upmost respect now as a serious foe, from here on in they are a different Team now from the years gone buy they expect to win the belief has changed and it shows in the way they play, but for me this will be a blessing for New Zealand Rugby in the respect that we have coaches who are still singing of the Steve Hansen song sheet which did work years ago but other teams have caught up we need to evolve again, i feel I an Foster needs to know that its not a bad thing being a great assistant coach but for me he is not a head coach period,
I disagree - what Ireland has done has exposed how dumb we are at playing rugby! If Carter or Fox was at first-five, we could have still won that game!
*utmost
The grammar nazi in me just can't let it go.......
The ABS are going to be ferocious Saturday going to be an unreal match, sad to hear about Irish fans getting abused in stadium from a small minority of so called fans
they can be as long as they play within the rules
@@richardshortall5987 Uh huh, just the All Blacks have those types of fans and nobody else... right.
@@ashinch0r no all teams have it but I noticed especially during these tests nz have been very abusive towards Ireland I have gotten my fair share of it from abs fans
@@deanflynn3745 thoughts and prayers. 😂😂😂
Iv watched rugby in various stadiums in various countries and confirm that the low class use of profanities directed at foreigners by New Zealanders at matches is nothing short of disgusting.
Honestly not Irelands fault that they had a player sent off! They should have had two red cards not to mind we lost a center due to the negligence of the tackle!
Should get Alan Quinlan on next week
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New perspective: the lowest the All Blacks fall makes for great growth and ground our boys will gather to bring back nostalgia to our winning culture, but the fire power and talent we have as a competitive team/country is quite frustrating to see being a kiwi whose heart beats to the drum of great players who make myself proud to be Kiwi.
I agree Joseph that a loss every now and then can be very beneficial...
For some reason Ireland struggle every time they have an Extra man Look at the England game in the six nations.
ABs got completely outplayed and all their cynical efforts to break up the game and stifle our fast ball as usual. Kiwis need to accept they have a discipline problem and bordering on cheating! NZ players are a danger to the Irish boys health they are so sloppy and wreckless. So its up to Stuart Barnes to make sure they don't get away with winning series in usual cynical way. I predict ABs get another red card because they have no composure!! It will be tight but I think Ireland win series by 7.
Not sure I agree with Jeff Wilson. He cant seem to say the AB's got out played the whole game.
The question is never asked to: if the red card should be the same in international rugby, as it is in Super. The 20 min red card while a great idea and keeps players playing, those aren’t the rules for international footie. Super needs to follow international rules so NZ players aren’t using two rule books in less than a 3 week turnaround.
Also stop the excuses. The game plan wasn’t good, the execution was worse. NZ is better than that.
Jeff Wilson - 14 vs 15??? At what point exactly did New Zealand play with 13 men? They had one player red-carded and one player yellow-carded - then the officials FINALLY did a count - and there were 15 NZ players on the field. WTF??
NZ complaining about being 14 and 13 men when they are the ones who caused themselves to be down in numbers lol
Lol they actually should've been down to 12 temporarily as they had to go to uncontested scrums because they couldnt bring a tighty on.
Man in the blue shirt and suit ripping hard on the copium
Isaac Boss looks like a Dr Suess character, a comic book face if ever there was
Lol the only time we scored tries was when the teams were even. Hopefully after the next test this condescending - "well deserved", "good job lads" - crap will end
There should have been 2 red cards and a penalty try...the ref kept nz in it
2 red cards and a penalty try? PROVE IT!
No ref nowadays wants to be shown up live by the TMO as weak on foul play approaching the RWC. " Playing on the edge " will get pinged now.
Really disappointed with JW. Lacking a little respect
The 14 man argument is so weak, if Ta'avao didn't tackle with a headbutt it would have been 15 v 15.
Wow I know Jeff is a biased pundit but this is horrific even for him. Lose this week end with Barnes in charge there can't be any excuses, him reffing gives all blacks a 10 point start, so this could potentially be the toughest week in kiwi rugby
Let me be clear - I'm an All Black fan! Period! Ma'a Nonu's my favourite player _(yes i know - DC; Perfect 10; capt Marvel McCaw etc etc)_
I say all that to place context in what i'm about to say regarding this NZ team.
The problem started in the squad and eventual team selection in 2019 RWC. Ben Smith, and the centre who was playing @Highlanders. Then to compound the woeful showing against eng, NZ decided to give the reins to Foster; when Robertson was there jamming in the wing.
Foster NEVER should have been given NZ job. He's a good number 2 (like Carlos Quieroz) - but he ain't a number 1. NZ - imo, will not go past the last 8 in the next RWC
*IF*
Foster is still in the job.
Simple.
As regards to next week...it only really matters to Ireland. NZ are there for the beating. As others have already mentioned, cut out the mistakes and Ireland will be set.
Go back and watch Fosters 1st Rugby Championship.
Look at the games they lost.
they were resoundingly beaten.
Again in Autumn 2021.
the France game told it all.
france always had another gear - mistakes cost them. Whenever NZ looked like they were about to do something, France would just raise their game and put an end to NZ attack.
These are dark times for us fans...
especially as *NO ONE* is speaking about Foster when they have a winner in Robertson...just chilling.
I don't expect NZ to win next week.
Moreover, if they persist with Foster upto 23RWC, then *whoever* takes over, will have to restore the...Amaghị m ihe a na-akpọ ihe ahụ?
their *mystique*...
their *fear factor*....
something will have been broken.
Too many teams would have either beaten NZ or put them to the sword and just losing - *prior* to the RWC.
dark times for All Blacks fans....
After watching this, I don’t see Abs winning the last game.
Just watching this after yesterday's match. Maybe a bit of humility could have been used by pundits. 14 men...15 men. Ireland won yesterday deservedly so.
You have to love the smile and comments from Issac Boss: 5 mistakes from Ireland in the first game gave the ABs the victory and 15 on 15 in the 2nd test we were winning! Well done Bossy and we’ll done Jeff for standing up for the ABs
The arrogance from the chap with navy suit on RHS is overwhelming
Jeff Wilson is trying to argue the impossible, he's doing his job, the facts are the facts though, the All Black's cracks are out on show, the coach as we have all known since his appointment, the worst we have ever had and this weekend the embarrassment will be complete when the Irish do the demolition job on them.
I want to hear JK's take
Omg these guys are clutching at straws Ireland by 15
Abs 40 ire 3
@@russellturner1909 in your dreams, cant wait to come back to you on this comment, you wont stop this irish onslaught thats coming
@@russellturner1909 are u trolling me 😆
@@saren6538 that works both ways paddy
Irish 1 what are you smoking? Or is it just a matter of you knowing nothing about rugby
Times are changing. NZ days of dominance is over
We have to respect the victory.Passing and kicking cannot win games , discipline, attitude and focus are equally important to win.Mistakes are part of a game and some time you are off the field.We don’t play with 15 is lame excuse by Wilson.Very sad we lost.
R u confused now Jeffrey..???...Great respect for NZ rugby, obviously world leaders in the game but thought these comments were a bit disingenuous at the time....we'll done ireland very proud of the team and the progression they made throughout the series.
Wilson’s words aged well didn’t they
"The context changed" which was caused by lack of discipline which is still cause for concern! Makes no difference. ABs were gushing penalties that entire first half.
Can't wait to hear Jeff at the next Breakdown, now Ireland have won the series. He'll probably blame the Wellington groundsmen for leaving a blade of grass too long. Well done Ireland........thoroughly deserved.
I appreciate that this is a NZ program but no talk of penalty try miss n obscenely card tackle on Hansen.
I'm so looking forward to the last test, the Irish have upped the anti on the all blacks and I want to see if Foster's coaching will measure up. I've said on numerous occasions that we missed the boat letting the Aussies have Dave Rennie, can Foster (my coaching has won NOTHING) prove me wrong...The Irish will reveal all on Saturday.
Jeff Wilson--wonderful player, hopeless pundit.
Smarmy, ill-informed, patronizing.
As captain of the Titanic I can hear him now..."that's not an iceberg"! Er, yes Jeff, it is.
Frankly the people in the top nz team should take a good hard look at them selves irland on the other hand should be confident that they will be going home with a series win
And id like to take this opportunity to thank them for showing us just how far we got to improve to be competitive for the next world cup
New Zealand can't beat Ireland for real bro