Loran is my favorite area. Love the color scheme and the desigin of the dungeons, with the massive ravines with Demon's Souls lighting and huge wooden creaky bridges.
Now that I think of it, if we ever get a Bloodborne 2. A new area for the game should be Loran. It would be interesting to see a desert area in bloodborne considering that all we see is villages, school, dreams and forest. Why not a little sand in our boots. :D
It sounds really cool, if it was set in the past, but the land of loran was sucked in by the sand, so you would just be standing in a big pit of sand ;^)
I don't like the past idea only because it limits what the story can be. Same with like having a vileblood crusade DLC or something like that. I think the night of a new hunt (where the previous hunter serves as either the new Gehrman or the newly reborn great one) is controlling the dream but, like you said, in a new setting. That would allow them to expand on the lore and maybe even do a trilogy of rituals similar to how they did the linking of the flame.
What I would like to see is a lot more lore about the different chalice dungeons,(in detail -differences and similarities) HOW earlier civilizations functioned, their audiences with great ones, more about WHERE and HOW the superhuman race came to be, and their(possibly) natural connection to the kin and cosmos. A LOT og archicetcture in the chalice dungeons have symbols, pictures, runes and other noticeable carvings. I mean, constructing an underground system of such magnitude requires expertise within the fields of mathematics, physics etc.. One prominent is the hunter rune. Why would the ancient superhuman dwellers have any significant connection to the hunter symbol..? :)
And maybe the Abhorent Beast is a step of evolution to a dark beast. Those fuckers only appear in Loran Chalice Dungeons. The beggar not included of course. Whitch brings up the question: Why seems he to be the only Abhorent Beast outside of Loran an Paarl is the only Dark Beast outside of Loran?
I always wondered if perhaps the way the Scourge affects people is based on what illness they had prior to their becoming infected by the tainted Old Blood. For evidence I looked at both the forms people took once infected. Judging by both the Loran Silverbeast enemy (and the way that the Parasites erupt from them upon their death) it would seem that Loran was set by a parasitic plague which drove them to seek the Old Blood as a cure when all other means failed. This is just speculation on my part since we are never told outright what made Loran "ailing" in the first place, so it could mean that Loran suffered from a plague prior to the Beast Scourge as I speculate, or perhaps the "ailing" simply referred to the Beast Scourge itself. The Loran Darkbeasts in the Chalice Dungeons also make me think that perhaps this possible parasitic infection affected the *bones* rather than the flesh and blood. I say this because both the Darkbeasts themselves and the Beast Claw weapon make it explicit that whatever affects the Dark Beasts is inherent in their bones rather than their blood or flesh. However, I have no idea where the Darkbeast connection to electricity comes from. I also take the Beast Patients and the Blood Starved Beast of Old Yharnam as evidence of this, as we are specifically told that Old Yharnam was suffering from a mass outbreak of the Ashen Blood prior to its destruction, leading the Healing Church to do mass administrations of the tainted Old Blood to both treat the illness and further experiment with the Blood. Both the Female Beast Patients and the Blood Starved Beast (which specifically bleeds the stuff) inflict slow poison, which I extrapolated as being a result of their being diseased with the Ashen Blood prior to their transformation into beasts. This perhaps indicates that while the Old Blood may treat the symptoms of illness it may not *cure* illness outright, instead affecting it the same way it affects those infected by the Beast Scourge.
Vlakvark A fascinating thought! You could apply this logic to the Scourge Beasts perhaps as people who were healed for contracting rabies or something similar.
@Joe Johnson let's see you come up with something better you troglodyte mouthbreather. I literally could hear the sweat drip off your spiteful ass when you were typing that asinine comment.
6:42 I agree with you on your idea that the people of Cainhurst castle are descendants of the Pthumerians based on two things. First is the clothing. When you look at the Pthumerian elder, you see that his clothing seems fitting that of a noble person and look very similar to that of the Cainhurst knight, especially with the red color. The second point would be in their share of great physical abilities and powers. At a point during Maria's boss fight, she stabs herself through the chest with her two swords, allowing her to create blood based attacks. She also arbours incredible physical abilities, being able to create devastating attacks. There are other characters who share the same traits: the Pthumerians, especially queen Yahrnam. Perhaps it is all actually the result of experimenting on the blood brought back from the tombs, I still believe, based on these two points, that the Cainhurst people are descendants of the Pthumerians, or at least have Pthumerian parentage.
Mitch L broooo plissss subs in spanish you are the only one who speak about loran my english is really bad mi pregunta es si loran es una civilización diferente o es parte de los pthumerios?? en la descripción del mismo caliz nos dice que loran pudo haberse situado en el antiguo oriente
About the bastard of Loran being born outside of wedlock, just a quick tidbit. Ring of Bethrotal states: "In the age of the Great Ones, wedlock was a blood contract, only permitted to those slated to bear a special child". Perhaps marriage was in fact an institution reserved only for some caste of "chosen ones", and most of the children born in Loran were indeed considered bastards. This might also mean, that any child that wasn't "special", or a child of a Great One, was a "bastard". Therefore, "Bastard of Loran" might possibly be any normal human child that died due to sickness.
I always thought Ihyll was the tittle of the Pthumerian leader not the name of a particular leader. The item description says "the title of both the Pthumerian monarch and its capital". In fact, Ihyll might mean a capital city and not the name of a city per say if we take a literal reading of the description.
I see what you mean. Ihyll could also just be the "title" in the same way that "king" is a title. For example, "Ihyll Yharnam," but that's just speculation.
Glad to see there's still people making content for Bloodborne, having come back to it after a sizeable break myself, I find that most of it is still shrouded in mystery. Not hating on Dark Souls, but Bloodborne Lore simply has more bite to it. Keep up the good work!
I think the Pthumerians were based off and obscure race known as the K’yan from HP lovecraft’s “The Mound.” In that story the K’nyan were a race of highly advanced aliens that resembled super tall humans, much like the Pthumerians. But unlike the Pthumerians, they weren’t pale and resembled Native Americans (funnily enough the actual Native Americans warred against this species), but much like the Pthumerians the K’nyan worshipped alien gods like Cthulhu. Blood borne is a huge love letter to lovecraft, Miyazaki and his crew dug into some obscure stories, the mound is not even as popular as Lovecraft’s other work.
thak you so much for bringing topic on the chalices, they're so underrated, personally i love them there are so many new bosses, a lot of enemies so weird like the ghost laughing, the pthumerian creepy long hair, and i hope you know him but there's a really weir pthumerian just walks around praying and criying it never attacks you even if you hit him but he attacks on wolfes and only wolfes with a wave kinda like wrath of the gods, he shines when you are far but if you get close stops walking and the light that comes out from his body fade . those pthumerian witches with skull on their hand, they stand up and are really tall and i mean really tall only when they can't see you, you have to drink a blue elixir just to see that animation or play a chalice with the three curses. I don't know to me the chalices add so much extra play like a real challenge with the three curses, but it's just me i guess thank you anyway for you're work on bloodborne please keep up
Thank you! I think the Sorrowful Pilgrim is the enemy you are referring to. That one is really interesting, and one I will talk about before this is over. Thanks for telling me about that animation, I'll have to check that!
I've always wondered how luxurious and esteemed Yarhamn and the world of Bloodborne must have been before the scourge of beast and the mixing of cold blood.
Oh my goodness! These get better and better first about the Curse being indicative of what ailed them is brilliant, because people walking around feeling themselves at ''half-health'' would be quite worrysome for a civilization. The way you draw from the Chalice description feels so natural and appropriate to the topics you mention I've been observing Pthumerian physiology quite a bit too, I can't wait to hear what you have to say about it. The naked Watchers show they all have like a ''Bloodplug'' in their bellybutton, like they had been stuffed with blood! Also, what about the forbidden blood and ghosts? It seems ghosts exist cuz of that vile blood. I love most of all that you mentioned ''younger'' and ''older'' Pthumerians as they are superhuman and ''immortal'' enough to live to see their descendants, while they younger generation has new ideas. Also, humble guardians does not mean lack of sentience I think, but rather surrender to a higher power that simply want to enjoy the blood the Great Ones offer, until they felt they could take it for themselves The Watchers have never seen as much love as you gave them here; thanks =D That they are out of Blood or parts is great! Makes alotta sense as aditional rites ''invigorates'' them I cannot wait to see your take on the Eldrich Truth! Keep up the good work and thanks again for a brilliant video!!!!
Thank you! Always enjoy your feedback. I would say that what I've got coming up with finally define what the Eldritch Truth actually is from a biblical point of view, along with some things about how it may have affected the Pthumerian appearance. Stay tuned for more lore!
You mean on the Merciless Watcher Mace? The blood-red umbilicus looks more like the skin is shifting off his body, and it's one of the holes you can see the red muscle beneath through.
Great video as always Mitch! The Pthumerians are one of the most interesting "factions" in Bloodborne. Unfortanetly, there's not much to know about them... I'll wait for your part 2 for enlightmente, keep up the good job!
This is probably a bit of a stretch but I'll put it out here anyways, see what people think. First of all I'll just say I'm new to your channel and this is only the second video I've seen but I'm looking forward to watching the rest of your bloodborne videos. I watched this video and then I had a look through the comments and someone said something like it would be cool if they made a desist level in bloodborne 2 to represent Loran. After watching this I got on bloodborne and helped someone kill Amygdala. And that got me thinking maybe nightmare frontier is Loran? I know this might be a bit of a stretch, but I don't think it's completely without merit. We know worlds can live inside dreams, for example the dlc, it's the only place where there are Loran Silverbeast's and you could argue it had been consumed by sand. I don't know if you covered this possibility in other videos but I just thought I'd put it out there. If people find the time I'd really like to hear what you think and your ideas.
Cobar KTA I think this idea has been put forth in the past, so you're onto something! I haven't analysed the possibility in much detail myself, but there is info out there on this theory.
Mitch L thanks for getting back. I imagined many other people had come to that conclusion too. But for me it was funny because I watched your video and then was in that area and it just clicked. Keep up the good work, I'm enjoying your videos.
Awesome video as always! Concise and to the point. I always wondered how Loran related to Yharnam. I think maybe it shared a similar history and the way Loran became a desert was simply Loran being encroached by the Nightmare Frontier? The Hunter's Nightmare in the DLC also looks very 'sand like' and Yharnam is definitely being enveloped by the Nightmare. I think Loran simply had the same thing happen to them. Even if it's unlikely we get a sequel to Bloodborne, Loran would probably be a really good setting. Different histories ultimately leading to the same fate. The tall church/bell guards definitely look related to the Phtumerians and maybe the Healing Church used some kind of breeding method to multiply them and found a way to make them docile. After all they looted the Phtumerian Labyrinth and were pretty advanced with their research into the old blood. Though, there isn't really anything in the game to back that up, so that could very well be fan fiction. :p Still, the fact you find what looks like discarded church guards in the caves near Iosefka's Clinic definitely hints that they were either recruited or thrown away by the Healing Church.
Thanks for watching. I have my own theories about those Church Giants and the like, and whether church servants even are Pthumerians. This will all come into play in regard to their Physiology. Thanks again!
making me want to create a new character for bloodborne. but I'm half way through my first plauthroigh of Dark souls and the dlc for DS3 is just round the corner. interesting thaught on the loran people waring with the old ones. excellent as always. keep it up.
I just started a new run in BB and I believe it's time I explore the Chalice Dungeons, right now they're the only thing keeping me from a Platinum. I don't care about Trophys but I do care about all the info down their and content I've not played in BB. Normally I get the Beast Claws and leave with that being my only reason to even go in there. I usually do my grinding in the Nightmare...those students are way too damn easy for the amount of echoes they give but that's more than likely to compliment the narrative.
So this may not be important but I'm just going to ramble on random stuff regarding the topic. Loran, a land similar to Yharnam, but fell down the path of the beast. Like you said Curses are punishments sent out by the Great Ones. Could it be that the Ashen Blood or even the Beastly Scourge as a whole is a curse brought about by a Great One? Moon Presence perhaps? If so was it also Moon Presence who caused the downfall of Loran? Loran is full of odd beasts. The Loran Silver Beast in particular is, well... very twisted. Loran Dark Beast is nothing but a skeleton, but still lives. What gave these beasts power over electricity? Even the Abhorrent Beast, a younger version of the Dark Beast, seems to have power over wind. What makes a Dark Beast special? Archibald and Izzy both tried to unravel their secrets, but we were never told if they found any. If their was a queen Yharnam, and a queen Ihyll, could there have been a queen Loran? Beast Possessed Soul has the odd ability of manipulating fire, and some extent blood. Could it be a Pthumerian who turned into a beast or perhaps a Cainhurst Knight?
Some very interesting thoughts. I might go back and talk about the Silver/Dark beasts at some point as I do find them fascinating. I'm not sure what to make of the Beast Possessed Soul yet, but I'll go through most of the Chalice Dungeon enemies in this mini-series, especially those who wield fire. Thanks for putting your thoughts out there!
Thank you Mitch! You're the only other person who addresses the Chapel Giants as Pthumerians! I'm writing my own little fan piece of Bloodborne, so I got the complete game and companion works for source material, and I've noticed something about the Body Proportion of the Pthumerians: Pthumerians, and the Cainhurst Yharnhamites are Six Heads tall, while the labyrinth watchers summoned by the bell ringer are Eight Heads tall and lack genitals or hair (maybe From didn't want it to get too graphic for X-Rated reasons), resembling Vitruvian Homunculii. Even the Watcher Chieftain under all that fat is eight heads tall like the Vitruvian Man, and also is bald and lacks any sexual characteristics. Depending on how you treat the Subject of the Cosmos (I believe it's an amalgamation of physical plane AND realm of the Afterlife), I reckon The Bell Ringers pull the spirits of long deceased Pthumerians back into the realm of the living, and no longer having any memory or indication of their identities of their past lives, the Watchers assume the form of perfect Vitruvian Homunculii. The Watchers no longer have any nakedness to hide so they go galavanting about without clothes or armor (hoods or gravedigger uniforms seem to be the exception). If they die, the ringers simply resurrect them again. Even the Giants have this difference in body proportions: despite being so stretched and emaciated, Church Giants are still six heads tall, while the Undead Giant seems to be at least seven heads tall, since it's hunched over (it won't be a stretch of the imagination to say it's a Vitruvian Homunculus also). What's your take on this? I really would like to know since you're taking the lore bit seriously and I'm always trying to expand my source material. I also don't have a Facebook/Twitter account so this is the best I can do to provide my input...
Wow! I hadn't even considered all of that. I did notice that most of the Pthumerians or Pthumerian-like beings lack any sort of genitalia, and I think that's important. If Fromsoft wanted to give them a loincloth or whatever, they could have done that. Maybe they want us to understand that Pthumerians cannot reproduce like humans do? Since the Watchers are said to be "born in the depths" is does make me think that there is SOMETHING giving birth to all of these things. I have my own theories about how some of the enemy types actually appear in the dungeons, but that will be for next week, I think. What's the significance of the Vitruvian Man? Is it supposed to be an example of the perfect human? I'd love to read the fan piece when it's done! If you want, RUclips also has a PM system. It's a bit clunky but it works. Just go to the "About" section on the channel and there should be an option there to send a message. Thanks for watching!
+Mitch L No, I do believe they reproduce sexually, but only if they aren't resurrected by the Bell Ringers. I'll copypasta an excerpt from my piece of what I think the Pthumerians are soon enough. Thanks for considering my input.
I have to say, my top 3 favorite youtubers are you, vaati, and silver mont, you make the best bloodborne lore videos and I love the fact you still do bloodborne, keep up the good work, and what are you thoughts on, an unlikely thing I know, a bloodborne sequel in 2018, I personally want bloodborne to do what demons sould did and have the first game be an exclusive and the rest be on all consoles, I love all souls games but having to switch consoles every time I want to play BB is a little annoying
Investigate that portrait room in dark souls 3. The one with gwynevere, nashandra and the silver Knights... It's location and ds2+3 references have gone without investigation
That room was always intrigued me! Especially because there appears to be a painting of a snowy landscape in there... Potential entry point for the DLC? Perhaps!
Speaking of which, I've got a pretty good theory regarding the Cainhurst executioners. It links many hunters groups to one another. I think it would fit and I've got clues backing it up ! I am not the brightest lore digger but I am fairly proud of this one. Want to hear it, Mitch L ? Would be my honor to have it in one of your videos.
Twitter says that I cannot PM someone that isn't one of my followers... Here is my account : Lucky Trident @Thomas9Jochum I wrote it down... It's quite long. Hope you're ready XD
Im fairly sure the chalice dungeons arent near Loran as stated in game they lie beneth Yharnam which is where the first chalice was found and where the first great one was also found by the scholars of Bergenworth but again Im just going by what is found in game
I know this is late, but with it saying that Loran was “lost in the sands”. Could it be referring to lost within the sands of time since the scourge happened in Loran and with the scourge comes the hunters dream. The hunters dream never ceases, thus lost in the sands of time. Just a thought
"Sk-er-j" like "surge" not "score-j" like "gorge". One vid is understandable, two is annoying. Still liking the in-depth videos, might wanna run words through a pronunciation thing. There's even one on google translate atm. No offense meant, I use it sometimes 'cause I'm lazy.
Sychno GuGuRoo Personally, I think not. If we are talking about beings like the Pthumerian Elder and Decendent, however, they may have been blessed or gifted by the Great Ones with great strength and powers in order to protect the tombs. For instance, the Keepers who wear the Bone Ash set gained "eternal life," presumably due to their service to the Great Ones. Hard to say for sure, but an interesting question nonetheless!
Sychno GuGuRoo That's something I'm still working out. My current thoughts on it is that the "Pthumerian" White/Black church members are not Pthumerian, even though they look that way. Remember that in the Lecture Hall, all the Byrgenwerth students "look" Pthumerian, but obviously aren't - they have undergone a process to look like that. Something similar may have occurred with the church hunters. As for the giants, they seem have been subjugated and treated pretty badly by the real Pthumerians in the dungeons, so I guess they have either agreed to work with the Church or have been subjugated in the same way by the Church. Alternatively they could be heavily sedated, keeping them docile.
UsuiZero it seems that Great Ones can reproduce by using humans or other species to breed, but it always comes with some degree of complications nonetheless, and so far the only children born from such origins are Mergo and the Orphan, both of which reside inside and are possibly the creators of some very personal planes of the nightmare, the first one not even possessing a visible form would seem, so the true flesh children are most likely just condemned from the start to not actually live in the real world if not as the little monsters like Arianna's baby
...It's almost amazing how you outright read that "Ihyll" was the _title_ of the Pthumerian monarch, (compare "queen" or "empress,") and then, not even a minute later, was speculating that "Ihyll" was the monarch's _name._
Yo Mitch just so you know with the new terms of service I would recommend you not tag your videos with anything sexually explicit if you want ad revenue. You won't get any advertisers with tags like that my guy
Shiieeeet. RUclips overlords trying to steal my shekels again. I was trying to contact you via Discord to get your input on some of this, by the way, but maybe you didn't see my message? :/ There's going to be more with this series coming up so let me know if you want to be involved like we discussed.
Oh shoot I'm sorry I've been really busy this last week and havent had much time on my pc. Sorry about that! I'd love to be more involved in the coming weeks tho
Loran is my favorite area. Love the color scheme and the desigin of the dungeons, with the massive ravines with Demon's Souls lighting and huge wooden creaky bridges.
Something interesting about those ravines is if you look up you can see the sky coming through a huge crack in the rock above.
+Mitch L Yeah by Demons Souls lighting I was referring to the white light. I love that.
I love the little lightning arcs caused by static electricity going off as well. It's incredibly atmospheric
Now that I think of it, if we ever get a Bloodborne 2. A new area for the game should be Loran. It would be interesting to see a desert area in bloodborne considering that all we see is villages, school, dreams and forest. Why not a little sand in our boots. :D
It sounds really cool, if it was set in the past, but the land of loran was sucked in by the sand, so you would just be standing in a big pit of sand ;^)
I don't like the past idea only because it limits what the story can be. Same with like having a vileblood crusade DLC or something like that. I think the night of a new hunt (where the previous hunter serves as either the new Gehrman or the newly reborn great one) is controlling the dream but, like you said, in a new setting. That would allow them to expand on the lore and maybe even do a trilogy of rituals similar to how they did the linking of the flame.
What I would like to see is a lot more lore about the different chalice dungeons,(in detail -differences and similarities)
HOW earlier civilizations functioned, their audiences with great ones, more about WHERE and HOW the superhuman race came to be, and their(possibly) natural connection to the kin and cosmos.
A LOT og archicetcture in the chalice dungeons have symbols, pictures, runes and other noticeable carvings.
I mean, constructing an underground system of such magnitude requires expertise within the fields of mathematics, physics etc..
One prominent is the hunter rune.
Why would the ancient superhuman dwellers have any significant connection to the hunter symbol..? :)
Sand is neither cosmic nor horrifying.
@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 but its rough, coarse, and it gets everyehere...
On a sidenote, I think that Darkbeast Paarl is a captured Loran Darkbeast, and was experimented on by Archibald of the Healing Church.
Unless Paarl is Archibalds friend gone wrong
Very interesting theory. I have always wondered what the significance of paarl was. Where he came from, how he came to be, etc.
And maybe the Abhorent Beast is a step of evolution to a dark beast. Those fuckers only appear in Loran Chalice Dungeons. The beggar not included of course. Whitch brings up the question: Why seems he to be the only Abhorent Beast outside of Loran an Paarl is the only Dark Beast outside of Loran?
@@KitsuneShapeShifter yo i've been thinking about the fact that paarl drops archibald's badge
I think Paarl ate Archibald lmfao
Unless Dark beast Parl is Archibald himself
I always wondered if perhaps the way the Scourge affects people is based on what illness they had prior to their becoming infected by the tainted Old Blood. For evidence I looked at both the forms people took once infected.
Judging by both the Loran Silverbeast enemy (and the way that the Parasites erupt from them upon their death) it would seem that Loran was set by a parasitic plague which drove them to seek the Old Blood as a cure when all other means failed. This is just speculation on my part since we are never told outright what made Loran "ailing" in the first place, so it could mean that Loran suffered from a plague prior to the Beast Scourge as I speculate, or perhaps the "ailing" simply referred to the Beast Scourge itself. The Loran Darkbeasts in the Chalice Dungeons also make me think that perhaps this possible parasitic infection affected the *bones* rather than the flesh and blood. I say this because both the Darkbeasts themselves and the Beast Claw weapon make it explicit that whatever affects the Dark Beasts is inherent in their bones rather than their blood or flesh. However, I have no idea where the Darkbeast connection to electricity comes from.
I also take the Beast Patients and the Blood Starved Beast of Old Yharnam as evidence of this, as we are specifically told that Old Yharnam was suffering from a mass outbreak of the Ashen Blood prior to its destruction, leading the Healing Church to do mass administrations of the tainted Old Blood to both treat the illness and further experiment with the Blood. Both the Female Beast Patients and the Blood Starved Beast (which specifically bleeds the stuff) inflict slow poison, which I extrapolated as being a result of their being diseased with the Ashen Blood prior to their transformation into beasts. This perhaps indicates that while the Old Blood may treat the symptoms of illness it may not *cure* illness outright, instead affecting it the same way it affects those infected by the Beast Scourge.
Vlakvark A fascinating thought! You could apply this logic to the Scourge Beasts perhaps as people who were healed for contracting rabies or something similar.
@Joe Johnson let's see you come up with something better you troglodyte mouthbreather. I literally could hear the sweat drip off your spiteful ass when you were typing that asinine comment.
6:42 I agree with you on your idea that the people of Cainhurst castle are descendants of the Pthumerians based on two things. First is the clothing. When you look at the Pthumerian elder, you see that his clothing seems fitting that of a noble person and look very similar to that of the Cainhurst knight, especially with the red color. The second point would be in their share of great physical abilities and powers. At a point during Maria's boss fight, she stabs herself through the chest with her two swords, allowing her to create blood based attacks. She also arbours incredible physical abilities, being able to create devastating attacks. There are other characters who share the same traits: the Pthumerians, especially queen Yahrnam. Perhaps it is all actually the result of experimenting on the blood brought back from the tombs, I still believe, based on these two points, that the Cainhurst people are descendants of the Pthumerians, or at least have Pthumerian parentage.
What does a cow found in the Chalice Dungeons say?
"Pthuuuuu..."
Mitch L that joke was so bad that I think we have
Bad blood
Realy you two are just
Vile
Mitch L broooo plissss subs in spanish you are the only one who speak about loran my english is really bad mi pregunta es si loran es una civilización diferente o es parte de los pthumerios?? en la descripción del mismo caliz nos dice que loran pudo haberse situado en el antiguo oriente
Mitch L
A bad joke should be well left alone.
Bad jokes all over the shop... you will make one of them.. sooner or later.
About the bastard of Loran being born outside of wedlock, just a quick tidbit. Ring of Bethrotal states: "In the age of the Great Ones, wedlock was a blood contract, only permitted to those slated to bear a special child". Perhaps marriage was in fact an institution reserved only for some caste of "chosen ones", and most of the children born in Loran were indeed considered bastards. This might also mean, that any child that wasn't "special", or a child of a Great One, was a "bastard". Therefore, "Bastard of Loran" might possibly be any normal human child that died due to sickness.
I always thought Ihyll was the tittle of the Pthumerian leader not the name of a particular leader. The item description says "the title of both the Pthumerian monarch and its capital". In fact, Ihyll might mean a capital city and not the name of a city per say if we take a literal reading of the description.
I see what you mean. Ihyll could also just be the "title" in the same way that "king" is a title. For example, "Ihyll Yharnam," but that's just speculation.
Your Bloodborne lore videos are really awesome, keep up the good work :)
Thanks you!
Glad to see there's still people making content for Bloodborne, having come back to it after a sizeable break myself, I find that most of it is still shrouded in mystery.
Not hating on Dark Souls, but Bloodborne Lore simply has more bite to it.
Keep up the good work!
I'm inclined to agree, thanks for the support!
I definitely agree
Ihyll wasn't a specific monarch, it's another word for it like "Pharoah"
Kingdoms in this world were named after thier monarch, like Yharnam was named after Queen Yharnam
I think the Pthumerians were based off and obscure race known as the K’yan from HP lovecraft’s “The Mound.” In that story the K’nyan were a race of highly advanced aliens that resembled super tall humans, much like the Pthumerians. But unlike the Pthumerians, they weren’t pale and resembled Native Americans (funnily enough the actual Native Americans warred against this species), but much like the Pthumerians the K’nyan worshipped alien gods like Cthulhu. Blood borne is a huge love letter to lovecraft, Miyazaki and his crew dug into some obscure stories, the mound is not even as popular as Lovecraft’s other work.
Finally platinumed Bloodborne today, your videos helped me get through the chalice dungeons
5:28 Me when I get a new weapon.
Me when I first got the Kirkhammer.
Me when I realize how much damage I can do with the Tonitrus on my arcane build.
Sweet, nice videos man. Totally dig it. Subscribed! Hail Lovecraft! Hail BloodBorne!
thak you so much for bringing topic on the chalices, they're so underrated, personally i love them there are so many new bosses, a lot of enemies so weird like the ghost laughing, the pthumerian creepy long hair, and i hope you know him but there's a really weir pthumerian just walks around praying and criying it never attacks you even if you hit him but he attacks on wolfes and only wolfes with a wave kinda like wrath of the gods, he shines when you are far but if you get close stops walking and the light that comes out from his body fade . those pthumerian witches with skull on their hand, they stand up and are really tall and i mean really tall only when they can't see you, you have to drink a blue elixir just to see that animation or play a chalice with the three curses.
I don't know to me the chalices add so much extra play like a real challenge with the three curses, but it's just me i guess thank you anyway for you're work on bloodborne please keep up
Thank you! I think the Sorrowful Pilgrim is the enemy you are referring to. That one is really interesting, and one I will talk about before this is over. Thanks for telling me about that animation, I'll have to check that!
I've always wondered how luxurious and esteemed Yarhamn and the world of Bloodborne must have been before the scourge of beast and the mixing of cold blood.
Oh my goodness! These get better and better
first about the Curse being indicative of what ailed them is brilliant, because people walking around feeling themselves at ''half-health'' would be quite worrysome for a civilization.
The way you draw from the Chalice description feels so natural and appropriate to the topics you mention
I've been observing Pthumerian physiology quite a bit too, I can't wait to hear what you have to say about it.
The naked Watchers show they all have like a ''Bloodplug'' in their bellybutton, like they had been stuffed with blood!
Also, what about the forbidden blood and ghosts? It seems ghosts exist cuz of that vile blood.
I love most of all that you mentioned ''younger'' and ''older'' Pthumerians as they are superhuman and ''immortal'' enough to live to see their descendants, while they younger generation has new ideas.
Also, humble guardians does not mean lack of sentience I think, but rather surrender to a higher power that simply want to enjoy the blood the Great Ones offer, until they felt they could take it for themselves
The Watchers have never seen as much love as you gave them here; thanks =D That they are out of Blood or parts is great! Makes alotta sense as aditional rites ''invigorates'' them
I cannot wait to see your take on the Eldrich Truth! Keep up the good work and thanks again for a brilliant video!!!!
Thank you! Always enjoy your feedback. I would say that what I've got coming up with finally define what the Eldritch Truth actually is from a biblical point of view, along with some things about how it may have affected the Pthumerian appearance. Stay tuned for more lore!
You mean on the Merciless Watcher Mace? The blood-red umbilicus looks more like the skin is shifting off his body, and it's one of the holes you can see the red muscle beneath through.
Great video as always Mitch! The Pthumerians are one of the most interesting "factions" in Bloodborne. Unfortanetly, there's not much to know about them... I'll wait for your part 2 for enlightmente, keep up the good job!
thank you! I think you'll find part 2 really interesting!
Waiting for it ;)
This is probably a bit of a stretch but I'll put it out here anyways, see what people think. First of all I'll just say I'm new to your channel and this is only the second video I've seen but I'm looking forward to watching the rest of your bloodborne videos. I watched this video and then I had a look through the comments and someone said something like it would be cool if they made a desist level in bloodborne 2 to represent Loran. After watching this I got on bloodborne and helped someone kill Amygdala. And that got me thinking maybe nightmare frontier is Loran? I know this might be a bit of a stretch, but I don't think it's completely without merit. We know worlds can live inside dreams, for example the dlc, it's the only place where there are Loran Silverbeast's and you could argue it had been consumed by sand. I don't know if you covered this possibility in other videos but I just thought I'd put it out there. If people find the time I'd really like to hear what you think and your ideas.
Cobar KTA I think this idea has been put forth in the past, so you're onto something! I haven't analysed the possibility in much detail myself, but there is info out there on this theory.
Mitch L thanks for getting back. I imagined many other people had come to that conclusion too. But for me it was funny because I watched your video and then was in that area and it just clicked. Keep up the good work, I'm enjoying your videos.
Awesome video as always! Concise and to the point. I always wondered how Loran related to Yharnam. I think maybe it shared a similar history and the way Loran became a desert was simply Loran being encroached by the Nightmare Frontier? The Hunter's Nightmare in the DLC also looks very 'sand like' and Yharnam is definitely being enveloped by the Nightmare. I think Loran simply had the same thing happen to them. Even if it's unlikely we get a sequel to Bloodborne, Loran would probably be a really good setting. Different histories ultimately leading to the same fate.
The tall church/bell guards definitely look related to the Phtumerians and maybe the Healing Church used some kind of breeding method to multiply them and found a way to make them docile. After all they looted the Phtumerian Labyrinth and were pretty advanced with their research into the old blood. Though, there isn't really anything in the game to back that up, so that could very well be fan fiction. :p Still, the fact you find what looks like discarded church guards in the caves near Iosefka's Clinic definitely hints that they were either recruited or thrown away by the Healing Church.
Thanks for watching. I have my own theories about those Church Giants and the like, and whether church servants even are Pthumerians. This will all come into play in regard to their Physiology. Thanks again!
making me want to create a new character for bloodborne. but I'm half way through my first plauthroigh of Dark souls and the dlc for DS3 is just round the corner.
interesting thaught on the loran people waring with the old ones.
excellent as always. keep it up.
Your channel is really starting to pick up subscribers. You deserve it my man.
Thanks for being here since the start! Means a lot.
I love that u used some of the score from the shining in the beginning!
Great stuff. Can you please make a playlist of these so I can add it to my favorites? 😀
I like that Shining music in the background.
I knew it was familiar so I search the comments if someone would mention it 👍🏻
I just started a new run in BB and I believe it's time I explore the Chalice Dungeons, right now they're the only thing keeping me from a Platinum. I don't care about Trophys but I do care about all the info down their and content I've not played in BB. Normally I get the Beast Claws and leave with that being my only reason to even go in there. I usually do my grinding in the Nightmare...those students are way too damn easy for the amount of echoes they give but that's more than likely to compliment the narrative.
Yes, someone finally did a video on the Pthumerians. i salute you, sir
Man you really know how to make me wanna play bloodborne
Like the Shining music in the background.
So this may not be important but I'm just going to ramble on random stuff regarding the topic.
Loran, a land similar to Yharnam, but fell down the path of the beast.
Like you said Curses are punishments sent out by the Great Ones. Could it be that the Ashen Blood or even the Beastly Scourge as a whole is a curse brought about by a Great One? Moon Presence perhaps? If so was it also Moon Presence who caused the downfall of Loran?
Loran is full of odd beasts. The Loran Silver Beast in particular is, well... very twisted. Loran Dark Beast is nothing but a skeleton, but still lives. What gave these beasts power over electricity? Even the Abhorrent Beast, a younger version of the Dark Beast, seems to have power over wind. What makes a Dark Beast special? Archibald and Izzy both tried to unravel their secrets, but we were never told if they found any.
If their was a queen Yharnam, and a queen Ihyll, could there have been a queen Loran?
Beast Possessed Soul has the odd ability of manipulating fire, and some extent blood. Could it be a Pthumerian who turned into a beast or perhaps a Cainhurst Knight?
Some very interesting thoughts. I might go back and talk about the Silver/Dark beasts at some point as I do find them fascinating. I'm not sure what to make of the Beast Possessed Soul yet, but I'll go through most of the Chalice Dungeon enemies in this mini-series, especially those who wield fire. Thanks for putting your thoughts out there!
Thank you Mitch! You're the only other person who addresses the Chapel Giants as Pthumerians! I'm writing my own little fan piece of Bloodborne, so I got the complete game and companion works for source material, and I've noticed something about the Body Proportion of the Pthumerians: Pthumerians, and the Cainhurst Yharnhamites are Six Heads tall, while the labyrinth watchers summoned by the bell ringer are Eight Heads tall and lack genitals or hair (maybe From didn't want it to get too graphic for X-Rated reasons), resembling Vitruvian Homunculii. Even the Watcher Chieftain under all that fat is eight heads tall like the Vitruvian Man, and also is bald and lacks any sexual characteristics. Depending on how you treat the Subject of the Cosmos (I believe it's an amalgamation of physical plane AND realm of the Afterlife), I reckon The Bell Ringers pull the spirits of long deceased Pthumerians back into the realm of the living, and no longer having any memory or indication of their identities of their past lives, the Watchers assume the form of perfect Vitruvian Homunculii. The Watchers no longer have any nakedness to hide so they go galavanting about without clothes or armor (hoods or gravedigger uniforms seem to be the exception). If they die, the ringers simply resurrect them again. Even the Giants have this difference in body proportions: despite being so stretched and emaciated, Church Giants are still six heads tall, while the Undead Giant seems to be at least seven heads tall, since it's hunched over (it won't be a stretch of the imagination to say it's a Vitruvian Homunculus also). What's your take on this? I really would like to know since you're taking the lore bit seriously and I'm always trying to expand my source material. I also don't have a Facebook/Twitter account so this is the best I can do to provide my input...
Wow! I hadn't even considered all of that. I did notice that most of the Pthumerians or Pthumerian-like beings lack any sort of genitalia, and I think that's important. If Fromsoft wanted to give them a loincloth or whatever, they could have done that. Maybe they want us to understand that Pthumerians cannot reproduce like humans do? Since the Watchers are said to be "born in the depths" is does make me think that there is SOMETHING giving birth to all of these things. I have my own theories about how some of the enemy types actually appear in the dungeons, but that will be for next week, I think. What's the significance of the Vitruvian Man? Is it supposed to be an example of the perfect human? I'd love to read the fan piece when it's done!
If you want, RUclips also has a PM system. It's a bit clunky but it works. Just go to the "About" section on the channel and there should be an option there to send a message. Thanks for watching!
+Mitch L No, I do believe they reproduce sexually, but only if they aren't resurrected by the Bell Ringers. I'll copypasta an excerpt from my piece of what I think the Pthumerians are soon enough. Thanks for considering my input.
Perhaps Loran used bolt specifically to more effectively kill and steal from the remaining pthumerians during excursions?
God I wish there was a Bloodborne 2
I have to say, my top 3 favorite youtubers are you, vaati, and silver mont, you make the best bloodborne lore videos and I love the fact you still do bloodborne, keep up the good work, and what are you thoughts on, an unlikely thing I know, a bloodborne sequel in 2018, I personally want bloodborne to do what demons sould did and have the first game be an exclusive and the rest be on all consoles, I love all souls games but having to switch consoles every time I want to play BB is a little annoying
This is one video game I really think they could make a cool movie of. It wouldn't be a blockbuster or anything but dang it's such a cool story
omg a new bloodborne lore video yes thank you sir
Great video man👍🏽btw what outfit are you wearing? Makes you look buff lol
So, Lore of Lore-An? Hell yeah bud.
the boss of bloodborne is back baby! cheers mr. mitch you rule.
No, you rule!
just have my babies already.
What if "swallowed by sand" refers to dungeons being underground? There's sand on the seafloor
Finally someone talks about Loran chalice.
I always thought the Pthumerians looked like those statues that shoot fire arrows in the dungeons prior to discovering eldritch truth.
Investigate that portrait room in dark souls 3. The one with gwynevere, nashandra and the silver Knights... It's location and ds2+3 references have gone without investigation
That room was always intrigued me! Especially because there appears to be a painting of a snowy landscape in there...
Potential entry point for the DLC? Perhaps!
Very interesting ! That's great, keep it up :D
Speaking of which, I've got a pretty good theory regarding the Cainhurst executioners. It links many hunters groups to one another.
I think it would fit and I've got clues backing it up !
I am not the brightest lore digger but I am fairly proud of this one.
Want to hear it, Mitch L ?
Would be my honor to have it in one of your videos.
PM it to be on twitter! I'd love to hear it :3
Twitter says that I cannot PM someone that isn't one of my followers...
Here is my account :
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@Thomas9Jochum
I wrote it down... It's quite long. Hope you're ready XD
+kunnykuni Followed! Send it through :)
great video :) keep it up and grant us eyes!
hey, what music did you use for the first part of the video ? And great video in general, as usual !
Georgiy K I believe it's Natura Sonoris or something by Bela Bartok. Alternatively it could be Music for Strings, also by Bartok. and thank you!
Ihyll > A monarch
Yharnam "Queen" > Also a monarch
Queen Ihyll of Yharnam... Probably.
Oh god yes!
Im fairly sure the chalice dungeons arent near Loran as stated in game they lie beneth Yharnam which is where the first chalice was found and where the first great one was also found by the scholars of Bergenworth but again Im just going by what is found in game
I know this is late, but with it saying that Loran was “lost in the sands”. Could it be referring to lost within the sands of time since the scourge happened in Loran and with the scourge comes the hunters dream. The hunters dream never ceases, thus lost in the sands of time. Just a thought
What music did you use in this? I recognize it from somewhere, I think maybe The Shining
Logan Stewart I’m a little late but it is from the shining
I was looking for someone to comment on the music because The Shining is always unsettling musically.
Where did you go you should make sekiro lore videos
Does anyone know if Loran is the homeland of Pthumerians ?
Make more lore!!!
"Sk-er-j" like "surge" not "score-j" like "gorge". One vid is understandable, two is annoying. Still liking the in-depth videos, might wanna run words through a pronunciation thing. There's even one on google translate atm. No offense meant, I use it sometimes 'cause I'm lazy.
Sorry! lol I'll make sure to get that right from now on.
np. Looking forward to the Pthu vids, not many people have had the courage to tackle that! take your time on them ;)
Might the Pthumerians be descendants of the Great Ones?
Sychno GuGuRoo Personally, I think not. If we are talking about beings like the Pthumerian Elder and Decendent, however, they may have been blessed or gifted by the Great Ones with great strength and powers in order to protect the tombs. For instance, the Keepers who wear the Bone Ash set gained "eternal life," presumably due to their service to the Great Ones. Hard to say for sure, but an interesting question nonetheless!
Mitch L Thanks for the reply, I have another question: How could the church hire pthumerian guards and giants?
Sychno GuGuRoo That's something I'm still working out. My current thoughts on it is that the "Pthumerian" White/Black church members are not Pthumerian, even though they look that way. Remember that in the Lecture Hall, all the Byrgenwerth students "look" Pthumerian, but obviously aren't - they have undergone a process to look like that. Something similar may have occurred with the church hunters. As for the giants, they seem have been subjugated and treated pretty badly by the real Pthumerians in the dungeons, so I guess they have either agreed to work with the Church or have been subjugated in the same way by the Church. Alternatively they could be heavily sedated, keeping them docile.
Wait, her name is yarnham and the town of yarnham is named after her. Her real name couldnt be Ihyll if she is yarnham
what if the pthumerians are the proto-humans?
Isn’t the queen the higher hierarchy
When is the next ornstien story coming out
Where is the second part? Please someone reply it to me! Thanks!
Isn't Loran a Pthumerian city? I may have misheard but it seems like you're implying that they're separate things.
Likely are separate, explains the human like beasts once you go deeper into the dungeons, they're the people of loran
you got a sub in me
what about amygdala
but wait.. if the great ones cant have children.. then the child of kos.... didnt kos give birth to it? .. look at his weapon ..
UsuiZero it seems that Great Ones can reproduce by using humans or other species to breed, but it always comes with some degree of complications nonetheless, and so far the only children born from such origins are Mergo and the Orphan, both of which reside inside and are possibly the creators of some very personal planes of the nightmare, the first one not even possessing a visible form would seem, so the true flesh children are most likely just condemned from the start to not actually live in the real world if not as the little monsters like Arianna's baby
Where is the music from?
...It's almost amazing how you outright read that "Ihyll" was the _title_ of the Pthumerian monarch, (compare "queen" or "empress,") and then, not even a minute later, was speculating that "Ihyll" was the monarch's _name._
GrahamChapman thanks
Is Eldritch Aldrich the devourer of Gods from DS3?
Yo Mitch just so you know with the new terms of service I would recommend you not tag your videos with anything sexually explicit if you want ad revenue. You won't get any advertisers with tags like that my guy
Shiieeeet. RUclips overlords trying to steal my shekels again. I was trying to contact you via Discord to get your input on some of this, by the way, but maybe you didn't see my message? :/
There's going to be more with this series coming up so let me know if you want to be involved like we discussed.
Oh shoot I'm sorry I've been really busy this last week and havent had much time on my pc. Sorry about that! I'd love to be more involved in the coming weeks tho
All good! I'll hit you up in Discord when I'm at home.
Music used?
Grimdark Rising yes, music was used.
How come sometimes you sound British and sometimes you don't?