@@lakesibuna this probably isn't that weird but its 3 AM and I feel like I just met myself so im having an existential crisis. Nice to meet you fellow human 😂🏳️🌈
growing up in the horde, catra is so not used to being loved or getting something that will make her happy that she can't conceive the possibility of someone actually love her of getting what she wants.
Because she sees the “want” as a dichotomy - an either-or situation, where the only outcome is if Adora chose ONLY Catra, that would mean she DIDN’T choose anyone else. The idea that Catra doesn’t have to compete for Adora’s affection or attention doesn’t compute with her worldview.
She broke her legs and risked her life on the daily to save or help Catra, but idk....does she want her? Also look at how high Adora jumped to get Catra down from that tree, it makes me go "dammmmmnnn" everytime I see it. No human should be able to jump that high, Adora needs to leave the Princesses and play some basketball
I had to watch it literally 16 times, I counted, before I could breathe again - my dog is weird and he actually watches TV, his face when I just kept skipping it back looked almost as dumbfounded as I was - istg man knew what was going on, we might have the homophobic dog meme but my dog encourages the lesbians, he knows too much 🤣😭 Edit: spelling error lmao
"Adora doesn't want me!" Duh Catra, didn't you hear what she said before you left? Adora doesn't want you, she NEEDS you. Totally different, definitely not romantic at all no way
Catra thinks Adora doesnt want her because Catra thinks of herself as unworthy of love. It took Adora almost dying in her arms to admit her love out loud, which speaks to just how much damage Shadow Weaver did to Catra's mental health
This confused me, like was shadow weaver a fucked up mother figure to them or what? Spoilers ahead They both seem very upset when she dies but they also both hate her right?
@@kelseykramer1783 Well no matter how much they hate shadow weaver, they'll still be affected because she was the only mother figure they both had. They probably didn't forgive her for all she's done but it was still emotional for them seeing her die.
“Adora doesn’t want me!” Sure. She didn’t put herself in a life or death situation, turn into a god, brought you back from nearly dying, chase you late at night down a forest, didn’t cry when you left? Totally doesn’t want you....
To make this even more of a point, it's confirmed by Noelle Stevenson that Catra DID die in save the cat, and Adora brought her back with She-Ra's healing 😅
I think Catra knows Adora wants her friendship, but like she said, “she doesn’t want me like I want her.” She doesn’t believe that Adora could possibly want her as her love interest. She was broken when she thought Adora chose Bow and Glimmer over her. Adora had been all Catra ever really had. I understand that feeling. Wanting someone in a way that you feel they will never want you. But Adora had to admit her feelings just like Catra has to finally voice hers.
What made me so frustrated with Catra was that Adora always loved her, even when Catra wronged her so many many times just like Shadow Weaver wronged Catra as a mother figure. Catra always claimed that Adora abandoned her, that she didn't come back but Adora always tried to convince her that isnot true at all is just that she couldn't just let the Horde destroy innocent lives, Adora even gave a lot of opportunities to Catra to switch sides.
I've felt that way I'm a lespien and telling one of my friends who is also a lespien that I li,e her was hard but now we are dating we haven't told anyone yet
Catra's own self hatred and years of being told that her achievements would never be enough by Shadow Weaver made her unable to understand real affection. Adora was shown love by Bow and Glimmer, but no one really loved Catra, at least enough to stay on the wrong side of a war for her. Adora was always held up by Shadow Weaver, even if she didn't want to, but Catra never was. So years of being emotionally (and physically, don't train kids for war) abused caused her to have trouble processing her emotions, and especially the emotions of others. It was obvious that Catra and Adora lived each other, but neither was able to tell the oh we loved them because they grew up in the Horde, which is why they were both so surprised when admitting their feelings for one another. Adora understood love, so she knew she loved Catra, Catra had more trouble with emotions, so it took her longer to admit that she loves Adora. TL:DR Catra had trouble understanding her own emotions and other people's because of her history of abuse. Admitting to herself that she loved Adora was hard enough, understanding that Adora loved her back was impossible.
I think this forgets the context around what Catra's saying and focuses too much on that snippet of words in a longer series of exchanges between Adora picking up the failsafe and when Catra learns of what Prime's up to and turns back to save Adora. In picking up the failsafe Adora's latest action and her words are all defending this maybe-kamikaze plan of Shadow Weaver. Besides this plan pushing about every button Catra has Catra literally isn't needed for the plan. Neither were Glimmer and Bow they just followed her to her final 'k bye I'm prolly gonna die' point. Why would Catra want anything to do with that? She's being asked to be a spectator to either Adora's death or Big Damn Heroes moment. When she learns that Prime is going to make Adora's plan even more dangerous she makes a B-line to her and even ropes in Shadow Weaver to help. Now that she can actually help Adora's odds of survival she's in. As I see it her departure and her final 'just this once stay' bit are all Catra's death struggle with Adora's Martyr complex and refusing to be an enabler of it. I think the best case for Catra screwing up in this relies on a pretty fine line being drawn of what Adora is and isn't buying into that Adora completely fails to articulate. Namely that yes she buys into Shadow Weaver's maybe-kamikaze plan but no she doesn't buy into the whole 'Catra is a distraction' bit. It'd be a good call to make since as we find out Catra's anything but a distraction to Adora's Big Damn Hero moment but there's no real way for Catra to know that. TL;DR Catra's got a load of issues and absolutely her reluctance to speak about her feelings plainly is one of them, but I don't think her departure hinges on that issue but instead Adora's big issue, the martyr complex.
Catra: Adora doesn't want me! Adora: *Takes on the single most powerful army in the known universe, that holds almost every civilisation in it's grasp for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, just to bring her home.*
"How much do you want her?" Well, Catra created different plans only for Adora to go with her to the horde, she faced what SW did to help her escape, she almost destroyed an entire universe only to have Adora by her side again and a remnant of things ... She wants her in an unhealthy way
no, not really, in S5 its later revealed she just wants to protect her, not leave her again, and its all backed up, she has abandonment and attachment issues, and OF COURSE it would SEEM unhealthy because really she needs to work out said issues, she never wanted her in an UNHEALTHY way she just loved her and wanted her to stay,
@@remwifeyy I meant that it seemed like that in the first seasons, Catra is one of my favorite characters and until I saw more of the past I understood a lot about her, it's just that I was barely going in the second season and with the marathon well ...
@@remwifeyy if destroying the world and everyone in it is not an example of unhealthy obsession, then I'd like to know what is. I believe she was unhealthy in her desire to have Adora stay by any means-- a selfishness that was all consuming, but that she got better when she learned what a healthy love would look like. One that is the opposite of selfish desire. She learned to accept that she wanted Adora to live and be happy even if that meant without them being together. (ie her sacrifice)
@@babybabybaby9201 no she wanted to destroy the universe because she had nothing lest and was abused and never knew love. She grew up in The horde and it was the only comfort she knew. She switched sides I the end because she noticed the gravity of the situation and realised there is love in the world and it is worth saving.
@@elenasmcanonico3163 good point :) I was talking about the scene in the final season, when Catra decided to leave and Adora shouted her name alone in the forest
I think this scene is a bit misunderstood. Catra is aware that Adora cares about her greatly and wants her to stay with her (she isnt blind to all the times Adora saved her), but to Catra this is just Adora being her usual kind and supportive self. They are childhood friends and that means a lot to both of them, but Catra has been aware of her romantic feelings for Adora for a while. On the other hand Adora has not properly shown to her that her feelings are also romantic, only that she saw her as her closest friend. Catra in this arc also thinks she is holding Adora back from doing what she wants, which may be becoming the hero, which would take Adora way from her forever. She even says "She chose Shadowweaver" again. Shadowweaver's solution of self-sacrifice is in direct contrast to what Catra wants from Adora... to be happy and together with her. What does Adora want? Catra asked her and Adora never gave her the answer she needed to hear. After all this time Adora still needed her as a "comrade/friend" who would stick with her until she could fulfill her 'wish' of saving everyone. Catra feels her love is selfish and possessive and would only get in the way, so she runs away again. I don't think from all we knew at this point that Catra was _entirely_ wrong. Adora herself didn't care what she wanted, she only strived to fulfill her purpose. Her love for Catra was the sole thing that was truly a "selfish" want she had and she hid it from everyone, including herself. It took Mara's pep talk, Shadowweaver sacrificing herself and Catra relentlessly sticking with her till the end for Adora to finally accept her one true want.
Well in Catras defense, not knowing if your girl crush is lesbian too seems to be very commen in the community. Even though their crush literally said "I love you, I never want to live without you"
Yo, I feel with Catra's low ass self-esteem, and not always realizing when people want you around, but THE SIGN IS SO CLEAR THAT SHE WANTS HER BACK, THAT IF IT WAS ANY BRIGHTER, IT'D BE THE LITERAL *_SUN_*
I think 1 of the main reasons Catra couldn’t c how much Adora wanted her was because Adora tended 2 express herself thru actions rather than her words. And 4 Catra, who had only ever bin told she would never b wanted or valued by her superiors multiple times subconsciously brought herself 2 believe this. The phrase ‘Actions speak louder than words.’ isn’t always true in terms of how they affect everyone. Just hearing someone say out loud that they care about u, want u or love u can b eye opening in ways that r far more straight forward & clear than just performing an action that indicates or implies how u feel. In that respect, I don’t feel that words r given enough credit in terms of their impact.
I agree wholeheartedly. Actions can often be a lot more ambiguous than words, so it is always good to make your feelings clear, especially when they are positive ones. 😉 I would add that, in my humble opinion, Catra never really understood that Adora had left the Horde and not her: while Adora seemed fairly convinced she could persuade Catra to leave the Horde with her, it seemed to Catra like she just didn't care. Adora risking her life to save her was not enough to instantly erase years of feeling betrayed and abandoned.
@@NadCAtarun agreed. Adora also kept trying 2 convince Catra by telling her the reasons she should leave rather than telling her y she WANTED Catra 2 come with her (tho Shadow Weaver DID play a part by constantly emphasising 2 them strength & duty while putting down showing sympathy or vulnerability, which in turn lead Adora’s inability 2 c others points of view, hence y she struggled so much 2 understand Catra’s feelings - made worse by Catra’s struggle 2 b open with them). If Adora had said stuff 2 her like. ‘There’s something better for us out there than this. If we do this together, we’ll be okay.’ Words like that, while not guaranteed 2 change anything would’ve impacted Catra more than just ‘Come with me. You don’t have to go back there, we can fix this.’ The fact that Adora chose 2 leave WITHOUT talking 2 Catra about it 1st (& I mean reeeaaallly talk - not just that 5 min miscommunicated conversation they had beforehand!) & said ‘I’m not going home Catra.’ were what set the ball rolling in terms of Catra feeling left behind. Even if I didn’t have abandonment issues like Catra, I would still initially have the same reservations about leaving EVERYTHING I knew behind (especially if I hadn’t SEEN evidence like Adora that there was something better 2 live 4) By all accounts Adora made the right choice by leaving. She just executed it H.O.R.R.I.B.L.Y. (not 2 mention she did Lonnie, Kyle & Rogelio even dirtier by leaving the rest of her team without a word!)
@@sparxstreak02 Excellent analysis. 🤗 I would add that Adora was utterly shocked to discover the Horde is evil... but Catra had known that all along. So she didn't have the "surprise" factor to push her to defect, the way Adora did.
@@NadCAtarun True that. Catra’s view of the world was negative from the get go however. She didn’t think the world outside the Horde was any better than the 1 she currently lived in. (I’m LOVING these back & forth discussions! 😁)
@@sparxstreak02 Good point. Not only did she not feel shocked to find out the Horde was bad like Adora did... she also did not get the shock of finding out the outside world is awesome like Adora did (the food, the horse, the flowers... Adora had a pretty fun day outside ;) )
If Catra spent her whole life being abused, then I don't blame her for having trouble accepting that people can love her. That said, she really put Adora through the wringer
Considering the same scenes of Catra and Adora's past in the first season, it can be realistically concluded that she was psychologically abused. That sad. I hope they will be happy.
1. Catra: adora plz stay Adora: I gotta join the rebels 2. Catra: adora plz stay I got nightmares cuz of horde prime Adora: of course I'll stay 3. Adora: Catra plz stay I can't use the fail safe without you there Catra: it'll hurt too much 4. Catra: adora stay, don't die on me Adora: okay These girls have huge abandonment issues... But we already knew that
I believe Catra, Adora probably doesn’t want Catra so much that she’s willing to destroy the universe along with the fabric of reality and everyone in it just to be with Catra
I think Catra just don't believed that Adora can be actually in love with her. She ( Adora) was thinking about them like friends because Adora is type of "I just need to help everyone, it doesn't matter what I actually feel or want, because if I don't, I will be nothing, who I am without She-ra? Nothing " - proof: she always needed to do everything on her own, she even call She-ra as "she/her" not "me/ I ". Catra just wanted to be with Adora in romantic/ or sexual way but didn't know if Adora is into her too in that way. When Catra gives Adora the sword, she really didn't do this because she likes Adora, she just wanted Adora to leave, cause she knows she will never be with her, so better if she's not around, maybe that's why she wanted to hurt her and finally became a villain "Adora is with me or she's nowhere near me, because I can't stand it anymore". Both have their own problems.
Girl literally screamed her lungs out calling for Catra all throughout the entirety of the series and didn't even think twice before jumping from a bridge inside an alien ship when she realised Catra was probably not going to survive that fall. When Catra said that line, I almost threw my TV on the wall. But, yeah, I can understand not only being oblivious to others' feelings and insecure about them, but also being traumatized of feeling left out. Still, Adora showed her yearning just as much as Catra did. They just had extremely different ways of doing it.
Exactly. And that constant misunderstanding was part of their problem. They were unable to understand what the other truly meant because they didn't express themselves in a way that the other could understand. That's something they had/will have to work on.
Catra:"Adora doesn't want me.. not like I want her" Adora: clearly states that she wants catra around Catra who has been physically and psychologically abused her whole life by being told no one wants her especially Adora: "did you hear something?"
I've met people that don't believe their own worth and will never believe that anyone really cares for them and no matter what you say or do you will never convince them. Some people are just broken and no amount of love will ever fix them. :(
"Adora doesn't want me... Not like I want her" I paused and rewind that over and over again and tried to read catra's emotion because I kept getting these gay vibes throughout the show and then she said that!! And is like "I'm I being delusional or is she being gay?"
I see a lot of people "making fun" of Catra not realizing that Adora does in fact want her even though she nearly broke her legs for her but honestly I can totally see Catras perspective. They are always just quoting the "Adora doesn't want me" Part but forget the "not like I want her" one which in my opinion is the important one and changes the meaning of what Catra says. Like I guess when Catra says "Adora doesn't want me. Not like I want her" she means that Catra wants Adora in a romantic kind of way but Adora only wants her in a friendship way. I think she knows that Adora wants her in her life but either totally misinterpreted Adoras actions, didn't understand Adoras actions or just didnt want to believe that Adora likes her more than a friend.
So, imho, it's actually way worse then that. Recall the context around that statement. Adora's picked up the failsafe and signed on with a maybe-kamikaze mission with Shadow Weaver which besides pushing damn near every button Catra has it's a plan that doesn't actually need Catra. Bow and Glimmer tag along only to be left behind after Adora basically says she's going to die doing this. With that being the plan Catra's not needed to make the plan work, she's being asked to be a spectator to Adora either getting dead or having a Big Damn Hero moment. She doesn't want to be an enabler to Adora's Martyr complex and frankly I think that was the right call given easily available information. When Catra finds out that Prime is going to make Adora's plan more dangerous she immediately turns heel, recruits Shadow Weaver of all people to help and gets herself into a position to help Adora survive this damn thing. Where Catra might have screwed up, but mostly Adora did ( if she had the info the understand the importance ) was in separating Shadow Weaver's maybe-kamikaze mission from the whole 'Catra is a distraction' bit. Realizing that Catra was in fact the key to bringing She-Ra out and thus improving odds of survival definitely change the dynamic but I'm not sure anyone knew that and I'm sure Catra didn't know that that's what Adora thought. TL;DR The problem is Adora's Martyr complex and Catra can't fight that by just hanging around and saying good job as she marches off to maybe die.
Horde Prime: Destroying all opposition to Horde Prime will bring peace to the universe Me: Sure, that's technically true, I suppose Catra: Adora doesn't want me! Me: bitch you wrong
@@roborosvki7938 I strongly believe that Scorpia tried to use a phone by holding a stylus and tapping on the screen but she missed the like button because her claws were too big for her to see.
well to be fair adora only wants catra when catra is right in front of her. While catra wanted adora the entire time they were apart. It was extremely unhealthy both catra's obsession and adora's "out of sight out of mind" mentality. It didnt become a more healthy i guess thing until season 5 and even then it wasnt until the last few episodes that adora realized she wanted catra even when she wasnt around. I know im taking the joke too seriously but everyone always gives catra shit about this and the "you left me" thing. Adora wasnt going to go back for catra even when bow and glimmer let her go. She only offered "come with me" when they happened on each other in the village.
catra: im depressed and i overtink you don't want me if adora had lisend to her this shit was a lot easyer but adora needs to jump of every object she sees to save catra
Catra: "Adora doesn't want me!" 0:49 Adora: *Literally saved her from trying to fall* OMG 71 DISLIKES?! those the people that don't ship catra and adora U-X
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Catra: Adora doesn’t want me!
Adora: *basically jumps off a bridge for her*
More like literally jumps off a bridge.
Lol
😂🖤. Love the ship
If your crush jumped off a bridge, would you?
Adora: FUCKING Y E E T, BITCH!
I--
Catra: Adora doesn’t want me!
Adora: *break her legs and transform into a god to save catra*
*aDoRa DOESNT wAnT mE*
*n0t LikE I wAnT HEr*
*sObBiNg iNtEnSiFiEs*
*dRaMaTiCaLlY lOoKs AwAy*
@@sagee5763 gurrrlll
Catra: "Adora doesn't want me".
Adora: *literally going to prime's flagship to save her and jumps after her when she fell*
Why hello fellow Catra fan named Isa. This is weird😂
@@Isa-pc6il hello to you too
@@lakesibuna this probably isn't that weird but its 3 AM and I feel like I just met myself so im having an existential crisis. Nice to meet you fellow human 😂🏳️🌈
@@Isa-pc6il you too🏳️🌈
Hi she-ra and the owl house fan
GUUUURLLL CATRA WAS SO WRONG
SOOOOO WRONG 😂😂😂
Catra was wrong, what a surprise.
SUPPER DUPPER WORNG I mean horse prime noticed it
@@KittyDragonWon horse prime
@@evaserksnaite40 lol is horde prime a horse now (auto correct I'm on a phone)
The voice crack when Catra says she doesn’t want Adora never fails to kill me
I assume you mean when she says "Not like I want her" ;) AJ Michalka is such a goddess of VA.
@@NadCAtarun Agreed, AJ is a genius
Season 5 last episode:
Everyone: *"OH MY GOD PEOPLE IT'S HAPPENING, STAY CALM! STAY FUCKING CALM!!!!!"*
I tried to scream but the lump in my throat was too big to let any air through
I had to switch off my tv cause it caught me off guard and my family is verrry homophobic but i was just sitting there like 🤭
WHATS THE PROCEDURE EVERYONE, WHATS THE PREOCEDURE
glimmer be like : "no one panic ! I SAID NO ONE PANIC"
É sobre isso né KAKAKAK
growing up in the horde, catra is so not used to being loved or getting something that will make her happy that she can't conceive the possibility of someone actually love her of getting what she wants.
Basically me
Because she sees the “want” as a dichotomy - an either-or situation, where the only outcome is if Adora chose ONLY Catra, that would mean she DIDN’T choose anyone else. The idea that Catra doesn’t have to compete for Adora’s affection or attention doesn’t compute with her worldview.
hey why are you exposing me
Enough about me what about her
Not to mention the conditioning from the years under Shadow Weaver.
She broke her legs and risked her life on the daily to save or help Catra, but idk....does she want her?
Also look at how high Adora jumped to get Catra down from that tree, it makes me go "dammmmmnnn" everytime I see it. No human should be able to jump that high, Adora needs to leave the Princesses and play some basketball
Right? We always talk about the song 'Warriors' but Adora playing for the wrong ones
🤣😂🤣
@@urarakasupremecist5671 Kyoshi and Adora would make a great two woman basketball team, Kyoshi's got the height and Adora's got the jump and speed
@@acelesbianmrclean We could add Korra in but then it'd be too op
Love and fear are both great motivators. Put them together, and you bet'cha that girl can jump!
Catra:ADORA DOESNT WANT ME!
The whole Catradora fandom: wait a dam minute
They are basically the "room mates" that may as well be a married couple. But i dunno--DOES she like me??
XD LOL
I had to watch it literally 16 times, I counted, before I could breathe again - my dog is weird and he actually watches TV, his face when I just kept skipping it back looked almost as dumbfounded as I was - istg man knew what was going on, we might have the homophobic dog meme but my dog encourages the lesbians, he knows too much 🤣😭
Edit: spelling error lmao
the one dislike is shadow weaver
On 3 accounts
man,theres 4 shadow weaves?! we have to kill more 3?!?
Not to ruin the joke but technically it’s not Shadow Weaver anymore since she accepted it in the end soo... 🤷♀️
@@dvssaur Well I guess u missed what I said 🤷♀️
No
"Adora doesn't want me!"
Duh Catra, didn't you hear what she said before you left? Adora doesn't want you, she NEEDS you. Totally different, definitely not romantic at all no way
In the words of Gordon Ramsay, “she’s in denial.”
Nooo, definitely not romantic
nope no romance here. None at all
Well yeah, they are just, "Really Good Friends." ~wink~
They were best friends, roommates I think
1:34 never noticed how Adora reacted to Catra get off her lap. Now I have an excuse to watch this episode for the fourth time
Fr she was like "where u goin?"
And every time they stop holding hands she has a similar reaction
She looked so sad lol
Same!!! It’s so cute’😍
Before she was like "do u have to sit right there?" But why you look sad when she left adora? TELL ME WHY 😂
2:02 i can only assume catra hadnt run away yet, and was watching adora, invisible, crying
Oh god nooo 😭😭😭
WHY DID YOU
I thought that too, but like, from a distance.
No she ran away but came back
I've watched the series 100,000,000 times
Catra thinks Adora doesnt want her because Catra thinks of herself as unworthy of love. It took Adora almost dying in her arms to admit her love out loud, which speaks to just how much damage Shadow Weaver did to Catra's mental health
This confused me, like was shadow weaver a fucked up mother figure to them or what? Spoilers ahead
They both seem very upset when she dies but they also both hate her right?
@@kelseykramer1783 Well no matter how much they hate shadow weaver, they'll still be affected because she was the only mother figure they both had. They probably didn't forgive her for all she's done but it was still emotional for them seeing her die.
1:05 *I'm 99% sure Adora broke her legs in this scene. ADORA DOESN'T WANT YOU? H U H ? CATRA PLEASE-*
Pretty sure she broke at least one, seeing as when she went to get up, she wobbled and fell immediately
I also read somewhere that catra actually died from that fall and adora did a teeny bit of gay resurrection
Shadow bitch: If Catra jumped off a cliff would you?
Adora: Yes
best girl: adora doesnt want me
adora: *wedding bells from the crystal castle*
Catra: Adora doesn’t want me! Not like I want her...
Adora 10 seconds before Catra said that: *Fights Catra to get her to stay*
“Adora doesn’t want me!”
Sure. She didn’t put herself in a life or death situation, turn into a god, brought you back from nearly dying, chase you late at night down a forest, didn’t cry when you left? Totally doesn’t want you....
To make this even more of a point, it's confirmed by Noelle Stevenson that Catra DID die in save the cat, and Adora brought her back with She-Ra's healing 😅
@@yukiraakechi3837 adora don't want her?
Catra jumping into fire for Adora is the equivalent of Adora jumping off the platform in Prime’s ship for Catra except ones more emotional
I think Catra knows Adora wants her friendship, but like she said, “she doesn’t want me like I want her.” She doesn’t believe that Adora could possibly want her as her love interest. She was broken when she thought Adora chose Bow and Glimmer over her. Adora had been all Catra ever really had. I understand that feeling. Wanting someone in a way that you feel they will never want you. But Adora had to admit her feelings just like Catra has to finally voice hers.
What made me so frustrated with Catra was that Adora always loved her, even when Catra wronged her so many many times just like Shadow Weaver wronged Catra as a mother figure.
Catra always claimed that Adora abandoned her, that she didn't come back but Adora always tried to convince her that isnot true at all is just that she couldn't just let the Horde destroy innocent lives, Adora even gave a lot of opportunities to Catra to switch sides.
I've felt that way I'm a lespien and telling one of my friends who is also a lespien that I li,e her was hard but now we are dating we haven't told anyone yet
The one dislike is either homophobic or really doesn’t like furries...
She’s not a furry tho-
Or just trying to shift their youtube algorithm. I think it works, but I can't say for sure
@@dvssaur um no... No she is not. She is literally a cat.
@1 1 yeah but still I said literally cat because it's in her genes and shit
@1 1 True
Catra's own self hatred and years of being told that her achievements would never be enough by Shadow Weaver made her unable to understand real affection. Adora was shown love by Bow and Glimmer, but no one really loved Catra, at least enough to stay on the wrong side of a war for her. Adora was always held up by Shadow Weaver, even if she didn't want to, but Catra never was. So years of being emotionally (and physically, don't train kids for war) abused caused her to have trouble processing her emotions, and especially the emotions of others. It was obvious that Catra and Adora lived each other, but neither was able to tell the oh we loved them because they grew up in the Horde, which is why they were both so surprised when admitting their feelings for one another. Adora understood love, so she knew she loved Catra, Catra had more trouble with emotions, so it took her longer to admit that she loves Adora.
TL:DR Catra had trouble understanding her own emotions and other people's because of her history of abuse. Admitting to herself that she loved Adora was hard enough, understanding that Adora loved her back was impossible.
What an explanation
@@captainsoap3779 thank
I think this forgets the context around what Catra's saying and focuses too much on that snippet of words in a longer series of exchanges between Adora picking up the failsafe and when Catra learns of what Prime's up to and turns back to save Adora.
In picking up the failsafe Adora's latest action and her words are all defending this maybe-kamikaze plan of Shadow Weaver. Besides this plan pushing about every button Catra has Catra literally isn't needed for the plan. Neither were Glimmer and Bow they just followed her to her final 'k bye I'm prolly gonna die' point. Why would Catra want anything to do with that? She's being asked to be a spectator to either Adora's death or Big Damn Heroes moment.
When she learns that Prime is going to make Adora's plan even more dangerous she makes a B-line to her and even ropes in Shadow Weaver to help. Now that she can actually help Adora's odds of survival she's in.
As I see it her departure and her final 'just this once stay' bit are all Catra's death struggle with Adora's Martyr complex and refusing to be an enabler of it.
I think the best case for Catra screwing up in this relies on a pretty fine line being drawn of what Adora is and isn't buying into that Adora completely fails to articulate. Namely that yes she buys into Shadow Weaver's maybe-kamikaze plan but no she doesn't buy into the whole 'Catra is a distraction' bit. It'd be a good call to make since as we find out Catra's anything but a distraction to Adora's Big Damn Hero moment but there's no real way for Catra to know that.
TL;DR Catra's got a load of issues and absolutely her reluctance to speak about her feelings plainly is one of them, but I don't think her departure hinges on that issue but instead Adora's big issue, the martyr complex.
Poetic.
Alternative title: Adora desperately saying Catra's name
Catra: SheDOESN'T want me!
Adora: *Bassically risking her life for catra every time catra is in framework*
Catra: Adora doesn't want me!
Adora: *Takes on the single most powerful army in the known universe, that holds almost every civilisation in it's grasp for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, just to bring her home.*
"How much do you want her?" Well, Catra created different plans only for Adora to go with her to the horde, she faced what SW did to help her escape, she almost destroyed an entire universe only to have Adora by her side again and a remnant of things ... She wants her in an unhealthy way
no, not really, in S5 its later revealed she just wants to protect her, not leave her again, and its all backed up, she has abandonment and attachment issues, and OF COURSE it would SEEM unhealthy because really she needs to work out said issues, she never wanted her in an UNHEALTHY way she just loved her and wanted her to stay,
@@remwifeyy I meant that it seemed like that in the first seasons, Catra is one of my favorite characters and until I saw more of the past I understood a lot about her, it's just that I was barely going in the second season and with the marathon well ...
@@remwifeyy if destroying the world and everyone in it is not an example of unhealthy obsession, then I'd like to know what is.
I believe she was unhealthy in her desire to have Adora stay by any means-- a selfishness that was all consuming, but that she got better when she learned what a healthy love would look like. One that is the opposite of selfish desire. She learned to accept that she wanted Adora to live and be happy even if that meant without them being together. (ie her sacrifice)
@@remwifeyy she was going to literally DESTROY THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE ro have Adora. If it isn't unhealthy then I don't know what is.
@@babybabybaby9201 no she wanted to destroy the universe because she had nothing lest and was abused and never knew love. She grew up in The horde and it was the only comfort she knew. She switched sides I the end because she noticed the gravity of the situation and realised there is love in the world and it is worth saving.
when she said “not like i want her” I CRIED. I CRIED
I mean half of Catras lines were “HEY ADORA”
And Adora says Catra more than she says Bow, Glimmer, and Adora combined.
the punch that Frosta gives him, opened been a good end to vent that Catra says something so pessimistic. 😅
Um, Catra’s a girl...
@@spottedtail2017 I use a translator, so I'm sorry, but I'm not.
@@sauronelexterminador That's fine, I didn't know.
That scene where Adora shouts “CATRA” makes me tear up every time
Which one? Because Adora yells that more than once, and, thanks to her VA (Aimee Carrero), all of the times are capable of making one tear up.
@@elenasmcanonico3163 good point :) I was talking about the scene in the final season, when Catra decided to leave and Adora shouted her name alone in the forest
@@nothingtoseehere653 Yeah, that one hurt😥
Oh, I thought it was a joke ^^° Half the video is Adora shouting "Carta!!" :D
the whole “save the cat” episode was just adora realizing she’s in love with catra
I think this scene is a bit misunderstood. Catra is aware that Adora cares about her greatly and wants her to stay with her (she isnt blind to all the times Adora saved her), but to Catra this is just Adora being her usual kind and supportive self. They are childhood friends and that means a lot to both of them, but Catra has been aware of her romantic feelings for Adora for a while. On the other hand Adora has not properly shown to her that her feelings are also romantic, only that she saw her as her closest friend. Catra in this arc also thinks she is holding Adora back from doing what she wants, which may be becoming the hero, which would take Adora way from her forever. She even says "She chose Shadowweaver" again. Shadowweaver's solution of self-sacrifice is in direct contrast to what Catra wants from Adora... to be happy and together with her.
What does Adora want? Catra asked her and Adora never gave her the answer she needed to hear. After all this time Adora still needed her as a "comrade/friend" who would stick with her until she could fulfill her 'wish' of saving everyone. Catra feels her love is selfish and possessive and would only get in the way, so she runs away again. I don't think from all we knew at this point that Catra was _entirely_ wrong. Adora herself didn't care what she wanted, she only strived to fulfill her purpose. Her love for Catra was the sole thing that was truly a "selfish" want she had and she hid it from everyone, including herself. It took Mara's pep talk, Shadowweaver sacrificing herself and Catra relentlessly sticking with her till the end for Adora to finally accept her one true want.
Godd you don't how happy I'm to find a reasonable take on this scene after seeing the dumb one's.
@@fstormsso many dumb ones. It’s like.. emotionally complexity is only allowed to male characters
"Adora doesn't want me"
You are not the clown, you are the entire circus.
Thank you for that masterpiece 😍
How incredibly nice of you to say!! (๑•́ ₃ •̀๑)
Well in Catras defense, not knowing if your girl crush is lesbian too seems to be very commen in the community. Even though their crush literally said "I love you, I never want to live without you"
I'm a lesbian and I can confirm that is true😅
Catra: *Adora doesn’t want me!*
That sounds a very heartbreaking moment the way she actually cares about.
Adora: *literally cannot think straight when around Catra*
Catra: "Nah I'm probably not that important to her."
Bruh this video is underrated
Yes, I want her that much
And Catra.
I-
How much do you want me-
Did you mean: Adora saying Catra for 2 minutes (ft. 19 seconds of other) 😂
Maybe I'll make a video of just Adora saying Catra 🤣
@@NadCAtarun bet when I'll watch it 😭
Pov: Catra doesn't matter
1:03
Catra: Adora dosen’t want me! Adora: risks the whole universe to save her
1:34 BABE WAIT!
CATRA CATRA CATRA CATRA CATRA CATRA CATRA CATRA CATRA CATRA
Edit: CATRA
Yo, I feel with Catra's low ass self-esteem, and not always realizing when people want you around, but THE SIGN IS SO CLEAR THAT SHE WANTS HER BACK, THAT IF IT WAS ANY BRIGHTER, IT'D BE THE LITERAL *_SUN_*
When catra says”AdOrA dOsEn’T wAnT mE” I jumped off of my bed and I yelled and my mom think I was vrazy
I think 1 of the main reasons Catra couldn’t c how much Adora wanted her was because Adora tended 2 express herself thru actions rather than her words. And 4 Catra, who had only ever bin told she would never b wanted or valued by her superiors multiple times subconsciously brought herself 2 believe this.
The phrase ‘Actions speak louder than words.’ isn’t always true in terms of how they affect everyone.
Just hearing someone say out loud that they care about u, want u or love u can b eye opening in ways that r far more straight forward & clear than just performing an action that indicates or implies how u feel. In that respect, I don’t feel that words r given enough credit in terms of their impact.
I agree wholeheartedly. Actions can often be a lot more ambiguous than words, so it is always good to make your feelings clear, especially when they are positive ones. 😉
I would add that, in my humble opinion, Catra never really understood that Adora had left the Horde and not her: while Adora seemed fairly convinced she could persuade Catra to leave the Horde with her, it seemed to Catra like she just didn't care.
Adora risking her life to save her was not enough to instantly erase years of feeling betrayed and abandoned.
@@NadCAtarun agreed. Adora also kept trying 2 convince Catra by telling her the reasons she should leave rather than telling her y she WANTED Catra 2 come with her (tho Shadow Weaver DID play a part by constantly emphasising 2 them strength & duty while putting down showing sympathy or vulnerability, which in turn lead Adora’s inability 2 c others points of view, hence y she struggled so much 2 understand Catra’s feelings - made worse by Catra’s struggle 2 b open with them).
If Adora had said stuff 2 her like. ‘There’s something better for us out there than this. If we do this together, we’ll be okay.’
Words like that, while not guaranteed 2 change anything would’ve impacted Catra more than just ‘Come with me. You don’t have to go back there, we can fix this.’
The fact that Adora chose 2 leave WITHOUT talking 2 Catra about it 1st (& I mean reeeaaallly talk - not just that 5 min miscommunicated conversation they had beforehand!) & said ‘I’m not going home Catra.’ were what set the ball rolling in terms of Catra feeling left behind.
Even if I didn’t have abandonment issues like Catra, I would still initially have the same reservations about leaving EVERYTHING I knew behind (especially if I hadn’t SEEN evidence like Adora that there was something better 2 live 4)
By all accounts Adora made the right choice by leaving. She just executed it H.O.R.R.I.B.L.Y. (not 2 mention she did Lonnie, Kyle & Rogelio even dirtier by leaving the rest of her team without a word!)
@@sparxstreak02 Excellent analysis. 🤗
I would add that Adora was utterly shocked to discover the Horde is evil... but Catra had known that all along. So she didn't have the "surprise" factor to push her to defect, the way Adora did.
@@NadCAtarun True that. Catra’s view of the world was negative from the get go however. She didn’t think the world outside the Horde was any better than the 1 she currently lived in.
(I’m LOVING these back & forth discussions! 😁)
@@sparxstreak02 Good point. Not only did she not feel shocked to find out the Horde was bad like Adora did... she also did not get the shock of finding out the outside world is awesome like Adora did (the food, the horse, the flowers... Adora had a pretty fun day outside ;) )
If Catra spent her whole life being abused, then I don't blame her for having trouble accepting that people can love her.
That said, she really put Adora through the wringer
Considering the same scenes of Catra and Adora's past in the first season, it can be realistically concluded that she was psychologically abused. That sad. I hope they will be happy.
And when Catra cuts open a door and Adora blushes I-,,,,
1. Catra: adora plz stay
Adora: I gotta join the rebels
2. Catra: adora plz stay I got nightmares cuz of horde prime
Adora: of course I'll stay
3. Adora: Catra plz stay I can't use the fail safe without you there
Catra: it'll hurt too much
4. Catra: adora stay, don't die on me
Adora: okay
These girls have huge abandonment issues... But we already knew that
Can we just agree to catra being her most said word
Adora: "Catra please, stay. I need you."
Catra two minutes later. "aDoRA DoeSn'T wAnt mE!"
The important part is "not like I want her". Catra probably thinks Adora just wants to be friends
@@cyberink7093 true
"Adora doesn't want me!"
Adora: **jumps in a fire to save Catra**
Adora always loved Catra, but she needed time and a world destroying threat for her to see she is IN LOVE with her.
Adora freaking jumped off a ledge for you, risking her life... seriously?
i really need a adora in my life
I believe Catra, Adora probably doesn’t want Catra so much that she’s willing to destroy the universe along with the fabric of reality and everyone in it just to be with Catra
I think Catra just don't believed that Adora can be actually in love with her. She ( Adora) was thinking about them like friends because Adora is type of "I just need to help everyone, it doesn't matter what I actually feel or want, because if I don't, I will be nothing, who I am without She-ra? Nothing " - proof: she always needed to do everything on her own, she even call She-ra as "she/her" not "me/ I ".
Catra just wanted to be with Adora in romantic/ or sexual way but didn't know if Adora is into her too in that way.
When Catra gives Adora the sword, she really didn't do this because she likes Adora, she just wanted Adora to leave, cause she knows she will never be with her, so better if she's not around, maybe that's why she wanted to hurt her and finally became a villain "Adora is with me or she's nowhere near me, because I can't stand it anymore".
Both have their own problems.
Girl literally screamed her lungs out calling for Catra all throughout the entirety of the series and didn't even think twice before jumping from a bridge inside an alien ship when she realised Catra was probably not going to survive that fall. When Catra said that line, I almost threw my TV on the wall. But, yeah, I can understand not only being oblivious to others' feelings and insecure about them, but also being traumatized of feeling left out.
Still, Adora showed her yearning just as much as Catra did. They just had extremely different ways of doing it.
Exactly. And that constant misunderstanding was part of their problem. They were unable to understand what the other truly meant because they didn't express themselves in a way that the other could understand. That's something they had/will have to work on.
Catra:"Adora doesn't want me.. not like I want her"
Adora: clearly states that she wants catra around
Catra who has been physically and psychologically abused her whole life by being told no one wants her especially Adora: "did you hear something?"
1:30 damn, I never noticed her hand there...woowee. She was really enjoying that
Bruhhh she really wants you catraaaaa how much do you want her?! She even broke her legs to save youuuuuuuu
I've met people that don't believe their own worth and will never believe that anyone really cares for them and no matter what you say or do you will never convince them. Some people are just broken and no amount of love will ever fix them. :(
"Entrapta, do you have to do that in here?"
"YES"
As Catra said: Adora doesnt't want me!
Me:🤨🤨
Catra: Not the way I want her!
Me: 😮🏳️🌈
It literally took Adora less than five seconds to leap into a fucking bottomless pit just because Catra fell
lol the arrow at 1:29 xDD
Catra would be screwed if someone showed her a PowerPoint with all the evidence for how much she’s shown she does not want adora
Right
LMAOOOOOOOO THE ENDING
adora is the quintessential top
In my headcanon they're both switches. 😉
“Adora doesn’t want me.”
Adora literally jumping down a few stories to save her a few days ago:
*Am I a joke to you?*
Catra”Adora doesn’t want me!”
Adora:”Jumps 40ft to get Catra and almost breaks her legs”
"Adora doesn't want me... Not like I want her" I paused and rewind that over and over again and tried to read catra's emotion because I kept getting these gay vibes throughout the show and then she said that!! And is like "I'm I being delusional or is she being gay?"
To quote Catra, "Are you just figuring that now?" ( or something like that, I don't remember the exact words )
0:37 she looks like me when I have to give up the internet to my brother
0:01 what Catra doesn't know is....Adora wants her as much as she wants her
I like how catra tried jumping in the tree then adora jumped in her
I've watched this season so many times -^-
1:37 catra has absolutely fantasized abt her sayin that
"Did you just jump into fire for me?"
When Adora jumped to get catra down from the tree, i was like "how da fack did she jumped so high?"
She-ra things ig
@@miasparks7439 Lmaoo
I see a lot of people "making fun" of Catra not realizing that Adora does in fact want her even though she nearly broke her legs for her but honestly I can totally see Catras perspective.
They are always just quoting the "Adora doesn't want me" Part but forget the "not like I want her" one which in my opinion is the important one and changes the meaning of what Catra says.
Like I guess when Catra says "Adora doesn't want me. Not like I want her" she means that Catra wants Adora in a romantic kind of way but Adora only wants her in a friendship way.
I think she knows that Adora wants her in her life but either totally misinterpreted Adoras actions, didn't understand Adoras actions or just didnt want to believe that Adora likes her more than a friend.
So, imho, it's actually way worse then that.
Recall the context around that statement.
Adora's picked up the failsafe and signed on with a maybe-kamikaze mission with Shadow Weaver which besides pushing damn near every button Catra has it's a plan that doesn't actually need Catra. Bow and Glimmer tag along only to be left behind after Adora basically says she's going to die doing this. With that being the plan Catra's not needed to make the plan work, she's being asked to be a spectator to Adora either getting dead or having a Big Damn Hero moment.
She doesn't want to be an enabler to Adora's Martyr complex and frankly I think that was the right call given easily available information.
When Catra finds out that Prime is going to make Adora's plan more dangerous she immediately turns heel, recruits Shadow Weaver of all people to help and gets herself into a position to help Adora survive this damn thing.
Where Catra might have screwed up, but mostly Adora did ( if she had the info the understand the importance ) was in separating Shadow Weaver's maybe-kamikaze mission from the whole 'Catra is a distraction' bit. Realizing that Catra was in fact the key to bringing She-Ra out and thus improving odds of survival definitely change the dynamic but I'm not sure anyone knew that and I'm sure Catra didn't know that that's what Adora thought.
TL;DR The problem is Adora's Martyr complex and Catra can't fight that by just hanging around and saying good job as she marches off to maybe die.
Horde Prime: Destroying all opposition to Horde Prime will bring peace to the universe
Me: Sure, that's technically true, I suppose
Catra: Adora doesn't want me!
Me: bitch you wrong
1:07
Catra: paint me like one of your French girls
The 6 dislike are:
-Hordak
-Shadow Weaver
-Horde Prime
-Octavia
-Swift Wind
-Light Hope
😭👊
Why did Swift Wind dislike? Ohhh maybe he was aiming for the like but missed because.. y’know? hooves.
@@roborosvki7938 I strongly believe that Scorpia tried to use a phone by holding a stylus and tapping on the screen but she missed the like button because her claws were too big for her to see.
@@sophia_numsang That definitely seems like something she would do lol
you can’t tell me horde prime isn’t their biggest shipper the scene where he says “elevated heart rate, dilated pupils, adora means something to you”
@@smagnolia2545 Like A SPACE LORD PERSON THING knew catra loved adora before I think catra did lol
well to be fair adora only wants catra when catra is right in front of her. While catra wanted adora the entire time they were apart. It was extremely unhealthy both catra's obsession and adora's "out of sight out of mind" mentality. It didnt become a more healthy i guess thing until season 5 and even then it wasnt until the last few episodes that adora realized she wanted catra even when she wasnt around. I know im taking the joke too seriously but everyone always gives catra shit about this and the "you left me" thing. Adora wasnt going to go back for catra even when bow and glimmer let her go. She only offered "come with me" when they happened on each other in the village.
1:35 THE PANIC IN HER VOICE THE PANIC IN HER VOICE!!!!
Catra sits in Adoras lap Adora "This is my cat and you can't take her away or tell me worng!!"
Everyone always asks how much Adora wants Catra, but the real question is HOW DANG MUCH DOES CATRA WANT ADORA FOR IT TO BE MORE THAN THAT?!
catra: im depressed and i overtink
you don't want me
if adora had lisend to her this shit was a lot easyer but adora needs to jump of every object she sees to save catra
That scene where Catra says Adora doesn't want me, not like I want her always kills me
This might aswell be how many times adora has said "Catra"
The longest I stayed up watching Catradora related stuff is at 2 am... BEAT THAT
LMAOO ADORA BLUSHING AT THE HAND HOLDING I MADE THAT HAPPEN
Catra: adora doesn't want me
Adora: jumps off bridge for her.
YES, WTF--
catra: adora doesn't want me!
literally everyone watching: GIIIRLL 🤣
Bro this whole remake was a masterpiece, it's my only favorite tv show that features gay characters it's just beautiful
That one scene where Adora says 'CaTrA' was so cool :0
Catra: "Adora doesn't want me!"
0:49
Adora: *Literally saved her from trying to fall*
OMG 71 DISLIKES?!
those the people that don't ship catra and adora U-X
I love her girly screams when she's scared. I feel really bad about what she went through she's really cute and precious ❤❤❤❤