Vedantic Self and Buddhist Non-Self | Swami Sarvapriyananda
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2022
- Swami Sarvapriyananda speaks on the difference and similarities between the Vedantic concept of Self and the Buddhist concept of Non-self.
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Vedanta is one of the world’s most ancient religious philosophies and one of its broadest. Based on the Vedas, the sacred scriptures of India, Vedanta affirms the oneness of existence, the divinity of the soul, and the harmony of religions.
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A day without swami sarvapriyananda is like a year without rain. JAY GURUDEV . PRANAAM
As this swami is only an academic,
he is only interested in being a Hindu
Please stay away from the Teachings of Buddha.
We have more than enough Buddhist monks and Buddhist scholars practicing the Teachings of Lord Buddha.
Ask this Swamiji to stay away from Buddhism.
Practicing Forest Buddhist Hermit for 30 years.
@@sifuroshi4109 haha
He is an illuminated soul.
@Greg LeJacques overthinking is injurious. Just meditate on truth. If you guys dont like him why come here and shouting..please donot talk unnecessarily and without clear point
And what mafia are you talking about. Its funny and stupid 🤣
I am a Buddhist. I totally agree with what you said. Thanks Swami Sarvapriyananda. I really enjoy your teaching and learn so much from you about Buddhism. Buddhism and Non-duality are really no difference.
That's the reason why Adi Shankaracharya (he is the most respected acharya of non dualism) is called disguised buddha here in India by duelists.
And we are insulted behind our backs because they have no guts to do that in front of us.
And they do that in public by totally distorting the philosophy itself.
What does non duality mean in religion?
@@ruparkyitin @ life @death are nirvana, earthly desires are bodhimaṇḍa （ dojo )
@@ct9245 do you mean ....
alive and death is the duality in religious belief??
The Buddha WAS FREE FROM SUCH VIEWS AS SWAMI PROFESSED, HE CALLED THEM CAUGHT IN THE SUBTLEST OF NETS.... INDRA NETWORK
This man is a gem of knowledge. We are so lucky to have free and instant access to such profound and quality teachings. ❤️
I do research on Buddhism in Bihar. The Swami speaks about the four sites the Bodhisattwa saw. I have visited and videographed these four sites.
He is a splendid professor, one extremely well versed in his subjects. He understands Buddhist doctrine and history with the acumen of one who has engaged in long scholarly studies. If he understands Buddhism this well, one can only imagine how much more versed he is in the subject of Vedanta.
Frog think well is Vase
😅🫢👍
🙏
For frog 🐸 the well is his world 🌎.
❤️🕊🔔🌎🙏🧎♂️🙇
ॐ 🌎🕊
@@thupten5520 so you are the frog
Toad know inescapability of observer confines. Frog solipsist. Your ego demotes frog. There is no frog. Water in vase inseparable to vast cosmic ocean of undulating consciousness. Extending beyond its surface permeating your idea of frog. Good night.
@@vincentmonet6172 what's funny is that non dual philosophy is a kind of solipsism, but one that denies the ego as the Self.
This is one of the best talks of Swamiji....you are a combination of the ancient wisdom of Upanishadic sages, Bhagwan Buddha, Nagarjuna, Chandrakirti, Tsongkhapa, Adi Shanakara, Sri Ramakrishna and Swami Vivekananda. My salutations and pranams 🙏🙏
Buddha was a mortal not an avatar.
@@Dharmicaction Well, only body-mind can become avatar. Not consciousness/Truth.
One of Swami’s favourite topics. That and the Ashtavakra Gita, I think
@@AB-yp7nc if you see puranas Bhagwan word is used for sages who are self realised so Bhagwan Buddha is very accurate
@@AB-yp7nc does that matter u that much?
As he stated at the end, this is a linguistic problem, because our systems of logic and even our entire capacity to conceptualize is bound to our language, which by its very nature must be imperfect. The more I learn the more I realize how right Wittgenstein was in saying "What we cannot speak about we must pass over in silence."
Thank you, Swamiji, for helping us to deepen our understanding of reality.
We are extremely fortunate to have such complicated topics explained to us in a lucid manner. Thank you Swamiji
This is truly the best talk on comparing the Avaitavedanta and Buddhist’s emptiness. As a Buddhist, I truly appreciate the explanation and insight. 🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽
A difficult subject made Understandable. Thanks to Swamiji
Namo Buddhaya 🙏
I do too, and yet... I cannot be convinced by arguments but by experience. And my meditation has shown me that the self simply is not there. The discovery is terrible... but the terror is very short lived, as I am sure you know. It soon becomes clean, beyond perfect, and completely natural, normal, and inarguable.
@@wordscapes5690 To whom was it shown that the self is not there? That one is the self, not the false ego which is based on illusion
@@nofugz8939 "To whom was it shown that the self is not there?" NOW "you" are asking the right questions. Congrats. The rest of your quote is just religious dogma. Forgive me. But I must say it.
Swamiji - you took on this journey from Nalanda to Tibet to Oxford! The hidden treasures. The Phoenix rising from the ashes. Today part of Nalanda stands 🙏🙏. Loved Ma Sharada’s cryptic remark -- when the people from the west visited Nalanda. So grateful to Harvard University. Our sincere pranaams to you Swamiji🙏
Swami Sarvapriyananda is a special Being who brings the light of Advaita Vedanta to illuminate those who seek the deep essence of existence, always with good humor, clear words and simplicity for all levels of understanding.
Thank you Swamiji for sharing your high knowledge with us.
Yes you are right 🙏
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6
Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Catholicism, and any other religion will send you straight to hell. Only through Jesus Christ you can reach the Father, God.
@@RepentJC Wow great knowledge! Thanks for letting me know that I will go to hell.
@@ashu176 Ha ha ha ha 😁😁😁😂😂😂 And who will get 72 Hoors in Paradise ?!!😂😁😁😁
@@RepentJC Then you're on the wrong path if you're making statesmen like that.
It doesn't get any better than this. High quality intellectual discussion. I really like when there is continous questioning about Hindu & Buddhist philosophies. Don't like blind faith some degree of skepticism or disagreement has to be their. Bravo SwamiJi! 👊
Words about words, round and round they go.
If it is circular or about, it is dreaming.
If dreaming is you thing or feeds something in you by all means dream, but if you find yourself being *eaten* by dreams there is only one way out of that circle.
It is not not not not* more words, which are jolly useful tools but no *more* than tools.
@@vhawk1951kl Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices really?
@@vhawk1951kl if it wasn't for the words YOU use, you wouldn't exist here!
@@alsononaztee5039 Good Girl! 👌
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
This guy pulls together the entire history of the world. Her is incredibly connected to EVERYTHING! This is the gift of Vedanta! What would we do without him?
Watch Pravrajika Divyanandaprana instead.
@@vincentmonet6172Why say instead ? They are both significant and products of the same broad order - like precious gems who are each a great source of light. Namaste 🙏
After listening to this brilliant teacher what I could sum up is, Shankar Achariya ji simply took the wine of Buddha through Nagarjuna and chandrakierti and put it into another bottle and labelled it as Adaita Vedanta. Throughout, I was thinking, what the people from the west and Middle East must be thinking about the great Indian masters and philosophers, who had that capacity and level of brilliance in debating in search and quest of the ultimate reality, rather than reading a book and accepting literally what is written there in.
@@Reach2Sanno The question was "what would we do without him?" The answer was to watch another teacher.
Since Swamiji does exist, then we can watch both.
@@theflowoflife4252 Buddha himself took everything from samkhya darshan 😂😂😂
😮Wow. What is there left to say? A deep bow of gratitude for taking us on that intellectual yet deeply spiritual journey. 🙏
The brilliance of Swami Sarvapriyananda to explain complex topics with clarity and humor never ceases to amaze me. Fortunate to be able to listen to his wisdom.
What Sri Bhagwan Ramakrishna says relieves me from this question. It is the Buddha Vipasyana who has brought me to the doorsteps of Advaita Vedanta. I was waiting for at least 18 years for this answer And also the inseparability of Consciousness and the objects. Thank you Swamiji.
Because objects are made of consciousness...
On the contrary Vedanta brought me to yoga . Ramakrishna is a giant of a kind.
@@rockingrishi1407 and vedanta brought me to Bhakti all is Sri Ramakrishna's Grace....how much he cares for us...when I think of his grace on me...I am in tears...
not true. Vipassana is combined with two words. Vi speaical and passana comes from passati means to see. Vipassana means speical seeing. Insight meditation into three characteristics of existence anicca(impermance), dukkha(unsatifactoriness) and anatta(non-self). There is no permanent consciousness in vipassana practice. Everthing is arising and falling. Vipassana today was innovated by the Burmese theravada monk ledi sayadaw based on satipatthama sutta in the 19th century. No one called the technique Vipassana before that.
@@PauloSilva-kt2nd how does this false ego transfers from one body to other ?
What a great explanation! This subject has been hovering in my mind for a while, thanks to Swamiji's clarity it's all reconciled. How lucky we are to have this great mind!
I have been confused about differences between Advaita and Buddhism for a long time and this cleared all my doubts. Thanks.
As a born-hindu who is practising Vipassana meditation, I found this speech by Swami ji really useful. In my Brahmin community we are affiliated to Kanchi Sankara mutt who advocate Advaita philosophy.
I always had this confusion and had difficulty reconciling Advaita with Bhagwan Buddha's Anatta.
This speech by Swami Sarvapriyananda ji has helped me immensely. Gold and it's ornaments example beautiful. Tibetan madhyamika thought same as Adisankara's Advaita.
Thank you Swamiji. Pranaam.
Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta, Kashmir Shivism, Taoism, Sufism, Franciscan Christianity, we seem to come to the same realization about reality again and again throughout history:
All is one.
Sorry the Abrahamic religions doesn't have ancient written philosophy! People need to reverse engineer the cherry picked stories from their so called singular "Holy book" to sounds somewhat philosophical!
Do Sufis consider Mo as the last prophet?
Does Franciscan Christianity believe that Christ is the only saviour?
If yes, then these don't have any semblance to Dharmic philosophies!
True lmao@@AdvaiticOneness1
@@AdvaiticOneness1What relevance does comparing methods have to the commentators original statement, that they lead to the same realisation about reality that all is one?
@@ryanthomason4404 the problem is they claim that their "one" is superior and special than any other's. Be it Allah or Jesus. No acceptance for non abrahamics. It's stupid.
So grateful to be able to sit at home and listen to this sage
*Finally!* I've been waiting for a recording of this lecture to be uploaded ever since I listened to it live.
The nuance in the presentation is truly impressive. Especially the way Guruji carefully untangles these two extremely similar philosophies...
Ultimately, of course, the conclusion is that Advaita and some schools of Buddhism are pointing to the same "thing" 😉 but convincing lay audiences of this in a matter of about 100 mins is something only a master can accomplish.
spoiler alert?
@@garypuckettmuse 🤣
@@garypuckettmuse Sorry! Should've begun my comment with "Do not read for the next 1500 years."
You seem well versed in matters of others, yet such a person ought to be 'others'
@@thebelligerentbostonian7524 Hahahahaha!
The middle path, that which is in and above existence and non-existence, Brahman that which is beyond existence… how beautifully Thakur said! Indeed, many paths to the same golden peak. Thank you Swamiji, today my confusion as a practising madhyamik Buddhist and drawn to Vedanta at the same time is cleared. To takes a clear mind like yours to show us this shining reality from all these confusing philosophies! Please accept my deepest pranaam. Thank you to the Vedanta NY team and RK Matt . May all beings be happy.
Swamijee is an enlightened soul. But I am not
.so I have to take up devotion only
There is nothing beyond Being, Eleatic philosophers were superior.
That is just a bunch of theory. Between this and that, the middle, etc ... maybe that satisfies a restless mind but it has no real meaning. Madyamika is a disaster.
This Sunday-discourse by Swami Sarvapriyananda juxtaposing Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism, esp. its Madhyamaka school, was definitely a knowledge-rich and insightful address.
Viewing the live-broadcast of such a scholarly comparison between these two very profound Indic philosophies was simply a delight!
It was definitely one of those sermons by Swami Ji that I just didn't want to end despite the ears sipping nectar of knowledge for over an hour and a half. Swami Ji's oratory and presentation skills which perfectly compliment his erudity leave the listeners spellbound and craving for more.
To say the least, the audience was, indeed, fortunate to have been served with this treat of a talk immediately after an equally engaging speech centred around Adi Shanka the previous Sunday (eagerly awaiting for that one to be uploaded as well).
Signing off with pranams at the lotus-feet of Swami Sarvapriyananda Ji Maharaj 🙏🏾🌺🌼
भारी बोललास सुम्या!
@@sca8217 ho ekdam Khar!
@Sumedh feeling sorry..but they will not upload that talk
@@vaishnavighuge6411 तो व्हिडिओ न टाकण्याचे कारण?
...आणि खरं तर त्यांनी या व्हिडिओमध्ये सुद्धा live-streamingच्या शेवटी झालेल्या प्रश्नोत्तराचा भाग वगळला आहे.
@@sumedhd90 karan ki te life and teachings che kontech video upload karat nahit.mhanje ya adhiche kontech life and teachings che nahi kelet.tyamule he dekhil karnaar nahit asach vatte.ho barobar aahe question answers nahi aahet ☹️
Pranams Swamij, I’m Seán, I’ve been at the University of Bath since 96, before that I entered the university system thru Brunel. In the university system I have met several Nalanda atmas. At the moment I’m in contact with three former Nalandis. Thank you for remembering us🙏💛🧡💛🙏
Understood your joke!
Nalanda atma means 🤔
@@sumandas2986 lmao dude believes that the professors in his uni were reincarnations of the swamis at nalanda😹
Thank you 🙏🏼 May I offer words of wisdom. A boat is sinking. Sinking is a condition of the boat, not the boat itself. Life is suffering. Suffering is a condition of Life, not life itself. The Way is a matter of “bailing out the boat”. 🙏🏼
This is a Masterpiece. What a wonderful gift to humanity! Thank you very much, Swamiji! 🙏❤
The historical span, depth, and sophistication of just this one important debate, so astutely covered in an hour and a half, is breathtaking. Whether I agree or not, what a gift you are to the seeker.
Dear Swami, I am so happy to have discovered your channel which helps me terribly in my spiritual quest. Thank you sooooooo much
Thankyou for posting it again. I watched it once it was broadcasted. So much clarity and coherency! Absolutely loved it 🙏🙏
Such a delight to hear swamiji speak. So much open mindedness and no ego. A lot of Hindu speakers I have heard want to glorify their philosophy. But swamiji only wants to arrive at truth. Really greatful to swamiji and this channel for making this content accessible to all.
"A lot of Hindu speakers I have heard want to glorify their philosophy." Not only that, they dismiss all other philosophies as rubbish. In full agreement with your assessment of Swamiji's approach.
@@rravi1045 but not only Hindu speakers do that the speakers of other religions are far ahead of proving everyone WRONG.hindus are more liberal in that sense.
@@rravi1045 some people in ISCKON say that you should not question? but I really like how he takes all the questions and appreciate them
Here is the thing about being a true seeker. We need to be at peace knowing that even a frog in the well (Both literally & metaphorically) is under the same spell of Maya as we all are.... so let's not look down on ANYONE ... All paths are equally valid. Let us dismiss the idea that Advaita or Gyana Yoga is the best even though we try to follow it to the best of our ability.
It does not matter how many rivers we think there are , or that we think all rivers flow in the same ocean .. It only matters how close to the ocean we are.
@@SrikanthIyerTheMariner Well said, Sir!!!
Namaskar Swamijee. Its sheer pleasure listening to your talks. Whole day then is like a meditation, chewing on what you said. Feel blessed.
A qqq pla
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6
Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Catholicism, and any other religion will send you straight to hell. Only through Jesus Christ you can reach the Father, God.
Any proof for your assertion???
@@TruthAloneSpeaks God’s holy justice requires punishment for human sin, but out of His love and mercy He gave His Son Jesus Christ to become our Savior. Christ became a man to fulfill the righteous requirements of God’s Law on our behalf and to bear the punishment of the sins of human beings through His death on Calvary’s cross, so that we can be forgiven and adopted into God’s eternal family.
Contrary to much of popular belief, we cannot earn the forgiveness of God by being good enough to merit these blessings. The Bible teaches that, as sinners, we can never be good enough on our own merit. But God offers us these benefits as a free gift, purchased in love by the holy life and the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ.
We accept this gift by placing our faith in Christ, repenting of our sins, and trusting in His death as the means of our forgiveness and acceptance by God, receiving Him as our Savior and Lord. You may express this by praying a prayer in faith like the one that follows:
Dear Father, I believe that Jesus Christ is Your only begotten Son and that He became a human being, shed His blood, and died on the cross to pay the penalty and clean away the sin that has separated me from You. I believe that He rose bodily from the dead to give me new life.
Lord Jesus, I invite You and ask You to come into my heart. I confess my sins and ask You to forgive me. I accept You as my Savior and Lord. I want to turn away from my sins and pray that Your Holy Spirit will help me follow Your way. I believe that You have come and are living in me right now. Thank You, Lord. In Your Name, I pray. Amen.
@@RepentJC, I will repeat my question - do you have any first hand proof for your assertions? Or, are you repeating what you have heard from someone else?
Swami Sarvapriyananda, thank you for pouring pure knowledge of atma down your lotus feet. Thank you!
Swami is clearly an incredible scholar on that subject !
I am amazed at swami ji’s memory and knowledge not to mention how he keeps the audience engaged. 👏🏼
This talk is legendary, 300 to 400 years down the line monks will study this talk.
Like how Swami talks about Madhusudan Saraswathi, Shree Harsha, and Nagarjuna etc. in future monks will quote Swami Sarvapriyanandaji.
study Nargarguna's treatise.
@@BioStuff415 yes, I've got Mulamadhyamika Karika. I will read it.
Even the 5 aggregates also misunderstood by the Buddhist.
Pranaam Swami Saravpriyananda ji. Stay blessed
Jai Sri Ramakrishna
This is what I,ve been searching for for years...Thank you God
Swami Sarvapriyananda has more knowledge and wisdom than all the current commercial cult gurus, who have millions of sheep-like followers. Yet, he is hardly known beyond a small group of people. 🙏🏽
Actually many Ramkrishna Mission monks have great knowledge but they are hardly known
Thank You Swami Ji🙏. You are a true Guru who can teach such complex concepts in such simple words. It is very enriching experience to listen to you. Such profound insights on Vendata and Buddism is very rare to find in this world.
What a great talk! I practiced buddhisme for some years and am now an AV student. Great that philosophy and religion are coming together in this talk.
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Ultimately both are pointing to the same unassailable and free of all description Truth. Advaita seems to express this positively by asserting that THERE IS an Absolute Self, Buddhism seems to express is negatively as THERE is NOT an Absolute Self. The difference is merely in language and conceptual thinking only. Both are reconciled in Silence.
"Samsara & Niravana are the appearances in the reality that we are-- our own inner reality".Thank u Swamiji for such an exhilarating talk on understanding wisdom of all wisdoms.Not even once in entire 1:32hours my mind went astray hearing this-Such was the beauty of this unpeeling of where is the ATMAAN. 🙏♥️
This is pure gold. I have been waiting for this for a long time. Thank you swami.
joy and love to every being, thank you swami and vedanta NY ❤️
I bow down to your lotus feet our beloved swami ji. Your teaching is like that eternal beacon, guiding us all. May you live 1000 years and keep showing the path to the lost ones like me.
What a great enlightening talk!
Kudos to Swami Sarvapriyananda.
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Pranam maharaj🙏
I am blessed so that i can listen to you..
we all are
Namastey. This is one of the deepest talk of Swamijee. Not just deepest, its like walking on the edge of a cliff, like a rope walking. How nicely he has shown the subtle difference between Advaita and modern Buddhism…. Requires patience in listening too without losing out the logic, argument and final thread. My pranams for imparting us this feeling of blessedness. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Very nice VIVAADA swamiji .With all kinds of Vaada ,Jalpa and Vithanda Vaadaas Advaitha Philisophy Captures the true essence of reality and ensures highest truth of PRAPANCHA SHAKTHI.
So enlightening to hear this talk by Swamiji. It is unfortunate that many of us did not really get to know our ancient philosophers and their works.
Probably one of the BEST lectures I've heard on RUclips.
Thanks for uploading this video after complaining about this same issue previously, good that system has started working properly ! Appreciation indeed!
Koti koti pranam Swami Ji🙏🏻
From Yungdung bon Zhangzhung Nyegyu :
Vision is mind
Mind is empty
Emptiness is clear light
Clear light is union
Union is great blissful
Listening to this, I was so happy and at the same time I became sad because of a thought. A thought that there was a time when people used to have all these questions, arguments, discussion with intellect. And then something changed in the region, a change so radical that now you can't even quote a paragraph from certain religious book without getting violence in return, forgot about having a debate.
In Total Gratitude for this this very clear and simplified knowledge of the Advaita Vedanta !
We are truly blessed to have you Swamiji for sharing this knowledge ! Thank you so much 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I recall swamiji’s discourse on this very topic, the dialectic between Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism , posted on RUclips way back in 2018/19. It stayed briefly and after that I didn’t find it.
Now I am brimming with joy to see this discourse.. such a beautiful syncretic harmonising conclusion.
Vedanta a door to the ultimate truth
This guy has a great mind
Pranaam Swamiji, we are blessed to have you who can teach elaborate and complicated philosophies in such simple language. You are like the Swamiji (you know whom I mean) of 21st century. Jai SriRamakrishnaDev !
So many of my questions were resolved here. At one point I cried at the clarity I encountered. I am a long-time student of both Buddhism and Advaita, and though I have noticed how much they overlap I never had the philosophical knowledge to understand how. Now I do. All blessings to you, Swami!
@Greg LeJacques Thank you for your response. I'm not sure I quite understand how you can presume what I do or do not discount. But I will look into the Hopi view. It sounds similar to the metaphor of Indra's net which is used in Buddhist and Vedantic teachings.
Finally!!!!!!!! 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you Swami ji so much 🙏🙏❤️
I’m stoked to hear swami sarvapriyananda talk on this topic since I wrote my research paper on a related topics and had similar arguments presented by swami 🙏
What is your argument?
Please share it on your channel so that we can learn more
What a lovely talk, Swami! Full of good humor and good will, as well of course of great knowledge. So wonderful!
I listen & read everyday. Swamiji you have touched the essence the best I ever heard or read. My pronam!
Pronam swamiji 🙏🏻🙏🏻.. just loved your lecture.. feeling blessed.
Brilliant talk. I learned so much from this!
Wow! This deserves to be listened to again and again for all seekers in the path of enlightenment.
I m so grateful to be able to hear this. The manner in which Swami ji assimilated Advaita n Buddhism thoughts are in the best possible way it could have been done. In one line it's beyond any word of praise, however at the same time you can't leave it without praising. Such a wonderful and desirable contradiction. I will have to listen to this speech multiple times to comprehend it fully. We can make an attempt here to fathom the depth of knowledge n wisdom Swami ji has grasped in his one life. Not only this; he is able to make us understand these perplexing philosophies in the most lucid language possible. He; I feel is fortunate enough to inherit altleast some amount of intelligence and tenacity which Swami Vivekananda had. Only he can be the true torchbearer of Swami Vivekananda's pious and undying legacy.
In this speech I feel the example of Waves and the Ocean which Swami Sarvapriyananda gave stands out amongst the others and is the most potent and relevant.
The analogy at 57:00 is a beautiful illustration of why phenomenal consciousness needs objects to become meta conscious of itself. A similar metaphor which exists in Christian mysticism is how a son cannot exist without a father but reciprocally the father also doesn't possess the quality of 'fatherness' without the existence of a son.
Thank you swamiji for the thought provoking lecture
This analogy is present in Buddhism as well.
Chinmay
1. But the monotheistic core of all the 3 Abrahamic religions simply says that there is just a transcendent god who is totally disconnected from the universe but still can create the universe and its "laws of nature" out of thin air and override them (whenever wanted) and control everything by just using a magic wand😊. Monotheism cannot be validated.
In other words, none of the Abrahamic religions were built around any well validated metaphysics...It led to needless prophets/middlemen/son of god/messiah (especially in Christianity and Islam), angels, blind belief in a book. non existent heaven/hell, fantasy stories (propagated as history), proselytization, and half baked responsibilities towards nature and discrimination/violence against (non believer) due to lack of understanding of Karma or cause and effect (created by human ego based identities/ideologies/theologies), reincarnation (birth/death duality cycle) and Moksha (microcosm to macrocosm)
2. But hindu dharmic tradition based on the well validated Vedic metaphysics Sankhya says that there is nothing other than the conscious, immortal, immutable, immanent (conscious self ), transcendent and omnipresent cosmic self and its intelligent energy. Hindus use cosmic allegories Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma for the immanent and omnipresent conscious self and Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi for intelligent energy. Husband and wife cannot exist without each other. So, they always exist together for the perpetual duality cycles of nature to happen eg Birth/decay (including human reincarnation cycle), manifestation and concealment duality cycle of the universe etc Microcosm = Macrocosm.
This is Sankhya vedic metaphysics (around which the whole hindu tradition was built including temple tradition, yoga and tantra) which can be validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience (focus and meditation)
It also means TAT TVAM ASI meaning You (conscious and immanent athma or the conscious self) are (already) that (conscious, omnipresent and transcendent Shiva or the cosmic self) regardless of whether there is 'self realization" or not because without the conscious, immanent/omnipresent conscious self nothing can exist or nothing can be perceived in its current form or no duality cycles of nature can happen. Identification with thoughts and body is just an illusion created by avidya (lack of knowledge), through the experience of individual 5 senses by the conscious and immanent self even though it is NOT the doer and ahamkara or ego (sense of I).
3 .Hindu/Vedas say the consciousness is an attribute of the immanent self (just like heat is an attribute of fire and the sun) which is also all pervading (omnipresent) just like a thread which passes through different pearls (animate and inanimate). It is because of the immanent and omnipresent self there is consciousness in the psycho-physical body. But in Abrahamic religions there is no connection between consciousness and the soul.
ERWIN SCHRODINGER (ONE OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF QUANTUM MECHANICS) Schrodinger's biographer Moore, wrote -- “His system - or that of the Hindu Upanishads/Vedas - is delightful and consistent: the self and the world are one and they are all. He rejected traditional western religious beliefs (Jewish, Christian, and Islamic) not on the basis of any reasoned argument, nor even with an expression of emotional antipathy, for he loved to use religious expressions and metaphors, but simply by saying that they are naïve--and will NOT understand Quantum theory and consciousness.(CONSCIOUS AND OMNIPRESENT SELF = SHIVA and W0RLD = SHAKTHI)
@@Dharmicaction I largely agree with what you're saying. Abrahmic religions do have metaphysical worldviews which are naive at best however the Sufi saints of Islam and the hermeneutical interpretations of the Christian mystics have metaphysical worldviews much closer to an Advaita perspective. Monotheism is fundamentally flawed as an approach because even assuming that there was a single unchanging absolute reality, the neti neti approach would be the closest we could get to expressing it linguistically.
These naive metaphysical views and especially the worldview that there is a formed entity or a sky daddy sitting up in heaven and causally affecting what happens in our daily life have led to innumerous atrocities fundamentally coming from the susceptibility to self delusion if revelation is considered a reliable epistemological mechanism. I agree that all religions aren't exactly equal in that manner however the problem remains that the type of Hinduism one encounters when they try to actually learn about the intellectual roots of their tradition (e.g the richness of intellectual debate in Advaita, the beauty of metaphors in the Upanishads etc.) Is far divorced from what the average hindu comprehends Hinduism as. To them all the gods we have are not archetypal manifestations of the infinite conscious, they believe that they're actually real people they can pray to to save them from everyday life etc. Our religious traditions destroyed due to Colonialism or otherwise have lost much of the truth and sincerity in them. In such a case people use religion as merely another crutch to lean on. They're no different from a Christian leading an immoral life six days a week and confessing on Sunday or a Drunkard. The fundamental problem with religion isn't intense intellectual metaphysical enquiry and debate as is the tradition in Advaita Vedanta, Buddhism or the Christian mystics or Sufi saints. Rather, It is humans creating speculations as escape from their everyday lives because of fear or laziness which urge remains constant in the average member of an abrahmic faith or a dharmic one and even in athiestic nihillistic people.
As for Hinduism's metaphysics, I have immense respect, adoration and pride of this intellectual tradition as I believe the collection of this literature (e.g. Upanishads, Niddhidhyasaba texts) are undoubtedly the best enquiry into the nature of experience that can ever be found anywhere however, coming back to what Swamiji said in this video quoting Buddha, concepts and ideas, and all forms of preconceived knowledge are ultimately useless in realising the absolute. If you are suffering (from ignorance) then it is like a fire. You wouldn't discuss the nature of this fire but instead try to put it out immediately. Though Brahman is a beautiful concept and may also be the ultimate truth, to realise the actuality of the truth portrayed by the words of the scriptures, even the knowledge of the scriptures needs to be discarded eventually and only direct perception can remain.Vedanta, after all, means the ending of the known.
Goes back to the Rig Veda where Agni is both Father & the first begotten son
What? This has nothing to do with platonic claptrap.
A marvellous and illuminating talk. Thank you.
Swamiji’s generosity and brilliance overwhelm me.
What a beautiful talk!! Can listen to it for hours 🙏🙏
Advaita, Buddhism. So rich in philosophical and spiritual depth. I envy India and all countries who has schools/studies of it. Here in the Philippines, We are plain stuck on the Eternalist view (of Catholicism).
Philippines also probably had its own oral native traditions but they have been destroyed or lost. Who knows, if people keep looking they will find artifacts and evidence about ancient phillipino traditions. Maybe not as rigorous as ancient indian or chinese philosophies but I am sure there were thriving native traditions and native religions in almost every place in the world before colonization, invasions, migrations or natural calamities destroyed most of it.
Descartes and Spinoza should be enough to get rid of any roman-infused zombie cult.
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Its like two people looking at a painting of a beautiful vase, while one says - "there is no vase, no flowers, no table and negates everything in the picture"; he stops and speaks no further. However the other says; "look there is a canvas where vase, flowers and table appears". The former being Buddhist and the latter being Advaitin.
Both interpreted the same from two different point of views! Neither were incorrect I feel 🙂
If there is no vase no flowers, then why even speak - "flowers, vase". Keep totally quiet then.
(No offense 🙏🏽 just a logical comeback)
@@Music-eo6ts "Keep totally quiet then" is exactly Great Realization Masters did I guess. Because truth cannot be expounded and no volume of words can describe the indescribable! All efforts and paths the Masters propounded were mere indicators/maps pointing to the truth.
Advaita and Buddhism is probably the closest proximity to the truth that human mind can discern, beyond which one has to tread alone on the path shown to realize truth! 🙏
@@gopinathrp absolutely. That's why i Respect Buddha on his 14 great silences and consider those silences more valid than the interpretation of that.
@@Music-eo6ts Can you please share a link to the 14 great silences that Buddha said? I will be interested to know it too! 🙏
It is the icing of the cake, when swamigy talks Budhism.... 🙏👍🌳
Wow Swami!!! You are just awesome!! You've said a lot of things that I've thought myself. You are definitely a godsend to humanity! Please keep up the great job sir!!!
Visitor: Krishnamurti says that the ego is just a bundle of thoughts and there is nothing behind the “I”. His teaching seems to be very much like Budha’s. (Nothing: no thing)
Ramana Maharshi: Yes, yes. Beyond expression.
Yes!
Ahamkara is a subtle body like Chitta (store house for past karma), Buddhi (cutting instrument) , manas (likes and dislikes are stored) and senses.. Thoughts arise from manas. In terms of analogy, the chariot is the body, chariot driver is the buddhi, horse tack is the manas and 5 horse are the 5 senses. The passenger is you (the conscious self) who is the experiencer even though not the doer.
Read or Listen to Sri M. He has spent 3 years of his life with Krishnamurthy. When Sri M asked Krishnamurthy, have you read Upanishads, he said he didn't?
Then Sri M asked him refrain from making claims about Vedic literature when he didn't read Upanishads.
If there is nothing behind the “ I” who is the conscious observer of the reality?
The astralbody is behind it.Our true self.Which identify itself as an "I" as well.And behind the astralbody is God or the Cosmos or the Nothingness but if nothingness then it's full with beings.
So clarifying. Thank you.
I appreciate greatly your tolerant, balanced approach. Swami-ji. You set a fine example. Pranams to you🙏
Awestruck by sheer knowledge that Swamiji has. Amazing, pure bliss.🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thanks Swamiji for a such wonderful lecture. 👍🙏🙏🙏
Swamiji is so cute like a little child 👶when he talks about the rejection of his assignment at Harvard. Jokes apart, pranaam swamiji and thank you so much for guiding us.
I have been wrestling with this fundamental issue for a few months now... this talk was a great and profound overview of Eastern Metaphysics in its essence... indeed, the universe provides if one is aware... thank you Swami...
A great silence came over me towards the end of the talk as he was talking about the 5th stage of meditation on emptiness. Fascinating how he seems to be conveying more than just words and ideas
Thank you so much Swamijee !! blessing internally !!
If the Swami writes a book about this it will become a classic
Thank you so much Swami. I was in tears at the end.
I keep coming back to this talk. Either path you take, atman or anatman, bears such potent fruits.
Thanke you very much for this lecture.I am so happy.🙏🙏
Fantastic and fascinating as always !!🙏🙏
I have new found respect for this guy. He is genius level.
Indeed a reward for me Swamiji.. Always i would think of the 10th man... So much of knowledge on Vedanta, i was able to understand from you. Listening to all your lectures and reflecting on them.
I am drawn to Lord Buddha and his teachings also. Was wondering how i am able to be comfortable to the ' fullness'" of Advaita and the " Shunya" of Buddhism. Recently, visited Varanasi and Bodh Gaya, making me a strong believer of both schools. However, i would be puzzled also..
Today you gave us the clarity Swamiji. We did not even know about some of the books you have deeply studied..and you gave us the 'key' to grasp the wonderful Truth. Pranams to all the Acharyas. 🙏🙏
Pranams to you Swamiji 🙏🙏Thank you so much. Jai Shri Ramakrishna.
Great Blessing to humanity is Swami , ( follow Tibetan Buddhism and Advaita vedanta at the same time, mostly Tibetan Buddhism because there is not Advaita Temple in kentucky.
Yeah bruh ..
I don’t think there is any difference between self and non self ..
Shoonya , the nothingness is literally shiva .
It was a heavy talk but it's amazing 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Pranam Maharaj
And yet, I am soaring in and as the Most High
Keep the tradition alive, keep sharing comparing and debating these ideas
Excellent. After listening three times, I could realise some parts of it.
The correlation of Advaita and Buddhism at the end. Superb. Osho explained this also beautifully.
In a what topic osho had explained sir..pls shared Tq
osho was a madman
Osho was a fraud who had 70 cars and contaminated public food to make people sick to influence a local vote to take over a town.
@@TheGuiltsOfUsyes when you don’t understand him.
Wonderful explanation, Swami ji.
His explanations are very clear and to the point. Very interesting.
Enlightening talk on a difficult subject. Actually the higher truths are difficult to comprehend and express. Swamiji is very knowledgeable and a good teacher.