IN 1973 BRONXDALE WAS THE MECCA - KOOL HERC TOOK "B-BOY" FROM "BRONXDALE BOYS"..(FULL INTERVIEW)
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- (FULL DISCUSSION) Check out the new channel Michael Wayne RealLifetv... • SHOULD US "BLACK" AMER... ....In 1973 Bronxdale Houses was the headquarters of the largest street organization in NY history…Mostly "African -American" teenagers….Most NYCHA developments "projects" and neighborhoods across the Bronx had chapters/divisions of Black Spades... Teenage leaders from all across the Bronx would come to party or hang out with the 1st Division Spades in Bronxdale.…Mario was deejayin with small music equipment in Bronxdale's "carriage rooms"/community rooms….Then, in 1973, Mario and Kool DJ Dee put on large jams in the middle of the "projects" and in the parks for all the teenage gangstas and fly girls…In 1973, 74...hundreds/thousands of mostly "African-American" teenagers would flock to "Rosedale" park…or the other parks in the Soundview area of the Bronx...Many teenagers who later became legends use to come to Bronxdale/Rosedale Park during those years..Some notable names who came to Bronxdale (before they became famous) Busy Bee, Luvbug Starski, afrika bambaataa, Jazzy Jay, Grandwizard Theodore, and more... • DJ PHASE "MY COLOR IS ...
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It’ll be nice if we can get kool herc in the room with some of these guys from Bronxdale and have a discussion.,
The topic of where Hip Hop came from has risen again, I am glad you made these videos.
I'm a DJ from NC that started in 77 78 I'm 52 now and I know that everything far as rap started in New York but I didn't know about half of these DJS from beginning.but I can take this historical lesson all day everyday. I'm so glad you found these originators that's still here to let it be known before that get stolen and swept under a rug. this should be in our colleges because you know they won't let it be put in public schools. but watch how many others make movies off of what was built by us and don't get no credit or money from it. keep it going brother you got some good good going on.
Where did the concept of moblie sound system came from ? I know it started in Brooklyn New York around 1973 but was it anywhere eles in the world ? Fill me in ....Thks.
@Kenneth Liburd Anyone crediting Jamaica/the Carib for sound systems have no idea how sound systems work and dont know the history of music. Period. Caribbeans get credit for them bcus everyone else moved to more advanced systems. It was a “changing of the guard in the states”, no Jamaicans or Trinis needed
Word up for real all this needs to be Craved in the Historical True Facts of Hip-Hop history!💯
True story Bruh! I’m 57. These youngin’s don’t know. There was no Hip Hop when we were born. We watched it grow from it seed. Literally!
@@davidelliottelliott9888 It started around the late 70’s in NYC. I was in middle school.
Thanks for doing these videos. The real history is coming out, thanks to you. I learn so much every time you drop a video.
you don t drop a video every day... buy when you do !! love from switzerland i am learning hip hop history thank to your videos :)
DJ Mario and Jazzy Jay! Bronxdale I lived it
@Cire Soprano not until years later
@Cire Soprano remember those days like yesterday,no one can take those memories from us
Jazzy Jay is soundview
Kool Herc seems like a typical immigrant kid that assimilated well to the hood culture around him in his new home country. He joined a gang/graffiti crew; he got exposed to the distinct dance style called B-boy dancing; he attended some outdoor jams and got exposed to new sounds and new equipment unknownst to him from Jamaica etc...
When he had a chance, he chose to give more focus or make it a "main event" to the b-boy dance that clearly preceded him. Great job for his contribution to the hip hop culture. However rightly so, people are against calling Herc the "father" because that title is reserved for those that create something from nothing....The first DJ that ever did a breakbeat should get that title. Clearly it wasn't Herc ...... Also, for the hip hop culture, it should be the first B-boy that should get that title and it wasn't Herc either..
From what I read online Kool Herc was listening to mainly soul music in his early years growing up in Kingston, Jamaica. His favourite artist was James Brown. Plus he said he was too young to enter these parties in his native city.
Okay so you could discredit DJ cool but yet you can't even name who the one person is that really started it. I find that kind of confusing on your part. If DJ Cool didn't do it and you know that clearly you should know who did
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWO Kool Herc is not the founder of hip hop....That's fake news driven by mostly foreign media and documentaries...!
The founders of hip hop were actually the breakdancers (B-boys) and they came from South Bronx gang culture. The hip hop DJs LATER followed the Break dancers and started to cater to them by playing B-boy music later known as hip hop...
B-boy music or hip hop was simply extended breakbeats so B-boys could breakdance to while a MC rapped over breakbeats..
The Break dancers or B-boys were already extending breakbeats of funk records on their own using drumboys within their crews since 1971.
Hip hop or B-boy music comprises of 5 distinct components ( MCing/Rapping, Breakdancing, DJing, Grafitti arts, hip hop Fashion) of which all hip hop components PRECEEDED the hip hop DJing aspect. Hip hop DJing was the LAST hip hop aspect to take shape...!
The early B-boys stated it was actually a mainly disco DJ named DJ King Mario that was the first to play B-boy music or hip hop , although in LIMITED segments of his mostly STREET DISCO parties....What Herc brands as the "Merry Go round " technique or extending breakbeats was already being done by DJ King Mario and Kool DJ D since they were playing B-boy music before Herc....!
However, Early B-boys do confirm it was DJ Kool Herc who gave them the biggest platform to showcase their breakdance talents once Herc came on scene.. In other words, Kool Herc made B-boy music the "Main Event" of a party as opposed to the other mainly Disco DJs did...
Therefore, Kool Herc and his sidekick MC/Rapper Coke La Rock get their recognition for elevating hip hop music by making it the MAIN focus of a party thus influencing other DJs/MCs duos but they are not the founders of hip hop...
@@kinkiesse7736 okay and DJ Kool was the one who extended the breakbeats those other people who were DJs were before him but they were playing disco music they wasn't doing the extended break Beats. But it's sad that you guys let a documentary from the '90s, early '90s to that matter explain away the history of Hip Hop and give credit to someone who you believe did not even found Hip Hop but you want to wait till 2022 to make a big deal about it. But I wasn't there so I can't really argue too much about it. But I believe all music that came from the ghettos and stuff originally came through the influence of people going through church.
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWO DJ King Mario also extended breakbeats as Early B-boys have already confirmed but he did them in small segments during his mainly street disco parties for his younger gang mates (Baby spades), just like today a R&b DJ would take a break from his usual sets and play some Dancehall or Afro-beats. Early B-boys stated it was King Mario who did it first before Herc in 1971..
We respect Herc for being one of the main pioneers of hip hop but it's surprising for him to feed foreign outlets that he created hip hop....!
Hip hop started in the Ghetto alright, it was sub-culture of South Bronx gangs, mainly Black Spades. Many Disco DJs didn't want to play it because it led to fights. DJ King Mario took a chance to play it during set breaks for his Baby Spades, the junior members of Black spades.
Breakdancing birth is a combination of break beat dancing from soul/Funk music (James Brown was a major influence) and Karate martial arts (Karate became popular among black folks and black gangs in the late 60s)
Gang fighting using Karate was a thing...
one things clear... Mario is the God of hip hop culture he's mentioned in everything to do with the origins no one denies him no one hated him and he showed love to everyone the real stories are matching with no contradictions...
KRS one wasn’t there. Somebody told him. I understand now. Thanks for sharing the truth!
" SPORTY " was our Micheal Jackson of the Jackson 5 in Bronxdale! That lil dude can SING!!!!! He could of easily been as big as Mike. His voice was bananas!! He was in a group with the Nelson family.
I trust every word this brotha DJ PHASE is Kick'n! And I definitely heard about the breakdancin' long before the second wave with Rock Steady 'n 'em!
Now this makes sense ❗️☝🏾🎧
🚫busta 🤥 rhymes ❗️
This makes a lot sense and not contradiction that Bambatta, KRS-1 and Busta rhymes spewing . The math doesn’t add up .
This makes a lot sense and not the blatant contradiction s that Bambatta, KRS-1 and Busta rhymes are spewing . The math doesn’t add up when those guys talk.
I’m glad he cleared that up because the Jamaicans were throwing DJ Herc name around like he started Hip-Hop and that sh*t was pissing me off because I already knew the history and where it started.
Kool Herc seems like a typical immigrant kid that assimilated well to the hood culture around him in his new home country. He joined a gang/graffiti crew; he got exposed to the distinct dance style called B-boy dancing; he attended some outdoor jams and got exposed to new sounds and new equipment unknownst to him from Jamaica etc...
When he had a chance, he chose to give more focus or make it a "main event" to the b-boy dance that clearly preceded him. Great job for his contribution to the hip hop culture. However rightly so, people are against calling Herc the "father" because that title is reserved for those that create something from nothing....The first DJ that ever did a breakbeat should get that title. Clearly it wasn't Herc . Also, for the hip hop culture, it should be the first B-boy that should get that title and it wasn't Herc either.. B-boys dance & music were the primary reason DJ's tried to cater to them.....
Yes, it was the culture of youngins that helped birth hip hop, all elements being MCing, extending breakbeats, rapping, fashion, being local, American and nothing from Jamaica..
So you calling Grandmaster Flash a liar?
@@kinkiesse7736 Herc didn't get "exposed" to B-boy dancing. It didn't exist before he started playing. He coined the term. He used to say "B Boys to the beat" on the microphone, meaning break boys. Where did you get your information from?
@@soulknob Organized B-boys started in 1971, 2 years before Herc's famous party. Don't base your opinion on Wikipedia clips.
B-boys Breakdancing Dance moves started a little before 1971 and were borne out of numerous peace block parties/street jams of the late 60s in NYC, Bronx to be exact, during peace pacts among Bronx gangs. B-boys culture is gang sub-culture.
The original meaning of B-boys is named after Bronxdale house projects where organized B-boying originated. Thus B-boy=Bronxdale boy. Bronxdale Breakdancers used to shout "B-boy" to themselves
By the time B-boys descended to Herc's parties, they were already a structured crew with an identity. Herc parties helped take B-boys culture aka hip hop mainstream but the culture started before Herc & his crews..
You'd get more accurate hip hop history info by attending hip hop conferences instead of using wikipedia..
@@soulknob A quick search on RUclips (not a primary source) yields some results confirming what I'm saying:
Link: ruclips.net/video/06bnBQRsE4I/видео.html
Link: ruclips.net/video/zLtV0l7pqwM/видео.html
this is official... I just got my history put in deep check... thanks to the Gees
thank you again for this post
The real history is revealed with every video you drop ! Fifth Element Zulus salute you Michael Wayne and the whole of the Bronxdale !
disco king Mario was the man I got to meet him in the 80,s when he lived on sedgwick Ave he just to tell me some stories peace to w.c boogieman
thank you for blessing us with this gem
I'm so enthused these guys still alive to tell their story because if we let them, Foreigners will take Everything.. Again! POWER TO MY PEOPLE! WE WILL RISE AGAIN!!! ✊🏾
Eric Bmor... Word!!
When it comes to black people we all are foreigners it don't matter where you born is where you originally from. So that's a stupid statement
The truth is just the truth cuz you can look it up on Wikipedia that the DJ and stuff started in the late 50s in Jamaica and we all know that's where rap got his influence from the DJ and stuff. Y'all wasn't doing that till the 70s. All them videos people talking opinions cuz they was doing also some karate and all that stuff I'm talking about what they was wearing and what was in style but I had nothing to do with DJing because guess what y'all got dressed from us and smoking weed from us so of course I got that DJing from us cuz we was a heavy influence on y'all back in New York
#cosign🤞🏿🤞🏿 🤞🏿
Fluck outta here wit dat Wikipedia shit
im not even from new york but i believe this dude
You shouldn't believe some of the thing he is saying.
@@soulknob9991Like what?
8 years old was that magical number for a many youths that was chosen...or those who chose themselves! I feel the brotha...
These vids should have so many more views!! Keep rockin' bruh
Great interview 💥💯💥
thank you
I wish our modern day media and technology existed back in 1890 at the birth of jazz, because every detail on Buddy Bolden and who he was listening to would have been just as fascinating as this. The whole thing of rhyming to a beat was always there in African American culture. I got some Louis Armstrong from the 1920s were he rhymes to the beat. But clearly Mario was the man here when it comes to the music and these kids invented break-dance WOW. I totally believe that these guys extended the breakbeat's, because once you hear this great music (soul funk of the late 60s & early 70s) it is the most logical thing that you would want to do. The drummers of this era are the most funkiest that will ever live EVER, from the beats they chose to play with the ghost notes to the sound of the drum-kits they chose to play it on (including how tight the snare drum was tuned). I was on the edge of my seat with this interview.
The origin of jazz is controversial, too. Whites are trying to take credit for being co-creators. I've heard white people describe jazz as "America's Classical Music" or they define it as "African Rhythms Meets European Melodies." They want 50% credit, like Fat Joe with the Latinos in Hip Hop. The "European Melodies" thing is dead wrong, because the melody in jazz came from the blues... and the rhythms came from ragtime. That's the problem with conglomerate musics.. when you combine all of these different elements and influences, everyone who was involved in those other creations want to take credit... that's what makes it muddy.. I've read jazz books written by white authors where they refuse to flat out say that black people created jazz... They always give credit to the European immigrants who were in New Orleans around that time, too. I guess this is why the ownership debate surrounding hip hop is so fierce.
@@KtotheG That's right. In our time with the technology we have, there can be no dispute about were Hip-Hop came from. But every real Jazz fan knows the truth about how and who started it. I believe the world will catch up to the knowledge, but we also know that all music can be for everyone regardless of who you are and were your from, or as Rakim put it "It ain't were your from it's were your at". Music brings out the best in us, and expresses what it is to be human. You can be from the hood and love classical music, or you could be studying at the conservatoire of music and still be loving Hip-Hop. It is all the human experience and it is all valid.
His memory is off the chain!
Phase tends to embellish on the facts.
MARIO YES HE DID! RIP!
for all these people sayn it's impossible because they was 8 and 9 clearly live a mediocre existence cause where I'm from, southside of Chicago 8 and 9 year olds be mature and grown aktn. They ride buses and trains clear across the city by themselves on the regular. I've seen 8 yr olds take their clothes to the cleaners with their own money they saved for that purpose. Iv seen a 9 yr old dedicate "He wasn't man enough for me" to some lil girl that was mad at her cuz she thought she liked a bit she liked, lol! Not necessarily appropriate but my point being is, don't let age be the determining factor. This little 8 yr old was aware enough to comprehend the lyrics to the song and then apply it to her own sich. We underestimate children and ultimately limit and slow their development. Ive seen small children doing extraordinary shit in my community on the regular, but mostly from this era. Nowadays, these kids r severely lackin.
Same.. i was buying weed at 10
This is real talk up in da BX, bcus I was 6yrs old living on Finley & 166th at the time. I went to P.S. 443 on Sheridan Ave. I walked 5-6 blocks going through the hood just to get home, but I ended up playing in P.S. 22 before heading home!
Been saying this since Herc said that. But the BBOY was actually “Bronx boy”. We had fam in Brooklyn and there friends would look us up and down and be like ah, they BBOYS! Bronx boys. Because of the style, we got it all the time in the mid to late 70s
Hey man, I've watched several documentaries with you guys for years now. Someone needs to either interrupt these Hip Hop Museums and inject the full story of how Hip Hop came to be, or another Hip Hop Museum/Cultural Center needs to start telling the full story. All I hear is that Kool Herc created Hip Hop on that flyer date every August, yet the truth is he never created Hip Hop lol! I want the real FULL STORY, not the Kool Herc story. He was only a part of it, and he came later, so I want to see that written in Wikipedia and everywhere else. They need to re-write everything that has already been documented. SMH! People think Hip Hop comes from Toasting LMAO! LIES!!! Toasting comes from Black radio DJ's and Black R&B music. Even Herc admitted it didn't yet the lies continue. This needs to be spelled out and corrected on public Hip Hop forums that everyone watches. Major platforms need to re-write what has been written.
Wiki needs to be amended. Apparently random people are going on wiki re-editing hip hop history!
Kool Herc has been cemented as the founder since before the internet... how come there was never this much resistance back in the day? All of the hip hop magazines in the '90s mentioned him. All of the old school artists mentioned him.. what gives?
They were so young, they took what they produced from them and have left them out of it, that's crazy.
Thank you for doing this. The truth must be told. The Kool Herc Jamaicans started hip-hop lie has gone on long enough.
Herc started the break beat focus that took off everywhere. These guys talking about partying.
@@mostmost1 ah no he didn't.
@@mostmost1 ruclips.net/video/Kqu8Z3wGHds/видео.html
@@kas3583 you linking from the same sources. We have multiple sources who say different. Red Alert, Bambataa, Flash, Hollywood more and more who were at the parties and jams. We talking about semantics anyway. Nobody wants invented partying, rap, dancing, graffiti and such. Herc never claims he invented hip-hop either. He says and others that he focused on the break beats. He didn't even do it as well as Flash or other DJs but he focused on it before Mario or these other DJs. They were not running around like they invented the wheel. They all added to that culture. By their definition James brown drummer invented hip-hop.
@@mostmost1 please ain't no one discrediting Herc if anything he gets too much credit. Rapping, graffiti, extending the break, and breaking all existed BEFORE Herc. You can say he focused more on the break but only because he watched other people and the crowds reaction to what they were already doing. Of course I site the same source. These are first hand sources. These are the cats that grew up in Bronxdale and participated in the Black Spades which hip hop culture grew out of. Before "hip-hop" was a Bronx thing it had to grow out of a particular neighborhood first and that neighborhood was Bronxdale. So of course I go back to the source. People go to Mecca for pilgrimage, not Medina😂. If u want the real you go to the source ✌🏾
respect. keep them coming
This is my 1st time watching this documentary & today is the day Biz Markie passed away. Crazy how he was brought up in this documentary! R.I.P. Biz!
Why doesn't this have more views ? Mr. Wayne, have yoy considered writing a book ? Hell,at least updates Disco King Mario's wiki page ! It may take years for this to sink into the cultural psyche but thank you for this priceless knowledge from PRIMARY SOURCES !!
Kool Herc was 12 years old when he came to the states. How did this dude come here with DJ equipment 😂😂😂
It seems from all the elderstatesman in my neighborhood that cool HERC started nothing,pass it all over to the late great DJ Mario from the 10473/10472.
minnesota moneyboss.. kool herc probably was the first extending breakbeats for young teenagers to breakdance... but yes your right... the culture came from us 10472/10473
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 I'd say while DJ disco King Mario provided a limited segment for breakdancers, Kool Herc was so fascinated with breakdancers that he decided to make them more "the main event" of a party. That's Herc's contribution to the Black American culture he assimilated to..
However, Mario still precedes over Herc, just as Herc precedes over Grandmaster Flash & company..
Ok so Mario started it & as a student Herc took it further, thank you...... NOW my question is what part did Bambatta play because my elderstatesmen say bam was the 2nd one after Mario the Herc was 3rd....
@@mbp333 DJ TEX DEE comes before Bambatta, Herc and Flash. TEX Dee played with Mario. Bambatta was a crate boy to Mario. So the so called Godfathers of Hip Hop is a lie.
💯💯💯 Bronxdale was the first to do a lot with dance and music we were the first to start batting and me and my crew starting the hookie parties in Lafayette houses at Diane Elliot house, it was me Lisa Lovett Bronxdale Diane Elliott Lafayette Pat Moore Wheeler Avenue and Karen Thomas Sack-Wern
I use to go to PS125 in 1972, after school over at 3pm we has black kids had to leave school area before 3.30 because the white boys be home from their school and they will jump us if we still in their area. I remember one day after school i stayed and played some basket ball in the park across the street and lost track of time, i looked at my watch and ran all the way to Parkchester Subway station and in between reaching the top they caught me, they started coming from down stairs and i started running to the platform and they started coming from up there too, they started beating the shit outa me, i took hits and fought back a little, the best i could, and i heard a train coming, i braced myself and ran through them to caught the train, i felt if i had missed that train they might have killed me on those stair cases. I lived in Hunts Point at the time, i was Young Skulls, my friends Camello was captain for the Savage Skulls in Hunts Point, Larry and Curtis was his second in command, and Rock from Castle Hill was a gang leader too i forgot the set he was from, we all went to PS125. There was no Junior High School in Hunts Point at the time, some days i would walk home and i always felt safe when i reached BronxDale Projects, because i knew i was out of the white boys area by then and White Castle was right there where i can get a burger for 25cent. We also write Graffiti in 1971, i was writing *EaGLe 170*, my cousin was writing *FireBall 166*, he's from by them Steps at 166 street where that movie The Joker was made. we use to go down stairs at 149 street subway station to just watch our master pieces/names pass us on the trains all day and night, if we see your name the most you would be more popular the other guys, and if we see your name any where and you not that popular we would write TOY over your name or Toy ma Boy lol. At 149 street Subway stop thats where i met *Stay HigH 149*, he was real famous in the Graffiti world back then, and i was living by 170 & Jerome ave. We didn't know our writing would be call Hip-Hop some day. Now i own a house on St. Lawrence ave one block from The Dale, a lot of the youths from BronxDale grew up in my house over the last 20 years, they are my son Jimmel friends and bros, my son Jimmel is a Rapper now he goes by the name Porter Rich and on IG: @porterrich__ now, before he use to go by the name Young Lye short for Lil Lion . Thanks for your time and patience One-Love and Blessings to all.
Man all this happened just 8 years before I was born!!!! Crazy!!! I hope you got some of those white boys back!!! I wonder where they’re out now.
@@mansamusa2012 I wonder too, they probably the ones locking blacks up now !
The Bronx river kids were younger , they traveled three hundred strong but they did not want to bring down the raft of the first div. if you caused the police to come out you had to answer to Snoopy and and that group.
HE WAS THE ORIGINAL!
Man... So many conflicting stories. See, this is what always happens when you don't have any tangible forensic documentation of significant past events (photos, video footage, audio recordings, writings, et al...)- it all ends up sounding like folklore... Promulgated by participants, and/or sideline observers with with varying degrees of integrity and/or slightly flawed memory.
Preach!
See this is the thing they do have video pictures documentation it’s just people like you are lazy and don’t want to look! It’s video of the JAMICAN DJs saying they copied what native black Americans were doing! The Latinos say they watched Native Black Americans! This is from their mouths these people are still alive and are here to tell the story! Not the ones who weren’t there couldn’t even come to the Bronx they would get robbed! Pay attention and listen you will learn!
For the record these were little kids the dummie Uptop is just ignorant and lazy!
@@Black_unity597 first of all I call bullshit because one video shows somebody rapping in 1920 to a song and they considered that rap and then when you talk to people like Charlie Rock he said kids made rap in the '70s. So he totally ignored that 1920s rant. But Wikipedia straight said that we started the DJing thing in the late 50s but sound systems battling each other. Then I seen the video where it said that they was battling in the '70s here in America with sound systems. So obviously they took that from us because we know without the DJing there would be no rap. And you talking about Jamaican saying it from their mouth which video said that? I got a whole Wikipedia article but we don't know who was doing DJing in the '50s or before that here in America. So stop the nonsense show me on paper don't tell me what other people saying who got it in the history books? Cuz you can't show that
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWO Jamaican music Elders say it out of their mouths, here is the video pay attention to the last 10 minutes. ruclips.net/video/gNrqsdvxUfA/видео.html
This is a great interview. I don't buy that this guy started extending the breaks before Herc did in '74, though. You don't hear anyone else saying that these kids and Mario were extending the drum breaks, and (if that had been the case) you would hear the OGs in Bronxdale saying this, too. I believe the things he was saying about the history of The Spades in that area and all that, but this guy taking credit for looping/mixing breaks and bboying, though?... I don't believe that.
No that started with Pete Jones a Bronx DJ. Herc and Flash copied Pete Jones.
breaks doesn't come from Jamaican music, breaks comes from African American music. Pete Jones was the DJ that started extended breaks in funk and soul records not Kool Herc.
MisterZoe That's something that Brooklyn cats claimed, but ppl like Cholly Rock (who went to Pete Jones parties) said that that's b.s. too. Jones DIDN'T EVEN LIKE that, at first. He considered that messing up the song. It wasn't till after hip hop starting taking off all over the boroughs, that he finally started doing that (and getting MCs to do full rhymes over the beats). Jones brought the sound system, and had some innovation, but he wasn't he one that stared extending breaks. Flash borrowed the speed and dexterity of Jones, and mixed it with Herc's innovation.
I totally agree with you about what this guy is saying. I'm the exact same age as this guy, Born in ''63, Queens N.y. One of the main things that i don't believe is that 8 and 9 year olds started this. NEVER in the history of anything , in anybody's culture has an 8 year old been a trendsetter in ANYTHING. What teenagers follow and copy little kids in fashion and culture? If anything it's the other way around. Little kids look up to the teens. The other things about the gang culture is probably true.
Darryl D Yep. Completely agree.
awesome to hear the truth, thanx!
This shit is super interesting now as an adult, unbeknownst to everyone this would be the dominant force against oppression on the planet. . ..💣💥
In another interview, Trixie one of the first BBoys stated he was rocking with Herc at his parties in '71. Also the BBoys, the Legendary Twinz, also stated they were rocking with Herc at his parties. I'm trying to understand the confusion because even you stated DJ Mario would only play a couple of joints for the BBoys, but Herc would for hours. Isn't that the distinction between the 2?
Preach!
Herc who was never a Black Spade was really DJing in the Disco Techs at first.. King Mario was DJing at 123 early early.. Herc barely touched the turntables but he gets his props but him saying he was the Creator of a black youth gang mov't and he wasn't a Black Spade is wild!!
the VERY VERY REAL TRUTH
Wow homie brought me back the marshmallows I had a few this were the great day here in jersey the pro keds and the converse were in heavy the clothe joints I would wash my joints every week miss all that...these cats are 💯 on all beings spoken
So here was the break beats i remember as a 14yr in 1972
Bra by Cymande
Dance To The Drummers Beat by Herman Kelly.
There were others like James Brown beats. The song Scorpio by Dennis Coffey.
The song: Jam On The Groove by Ralph McDonald
There were other beats like Kool & The Gang songs.
Mandrill: Fence Walk.
So the brother is right. And i'm not from the Bronx. I'm born and raised in Bed-Stuy Brooklyn. I gangbanged from 1969 - 1977
War-Lords, Dynamite Brothers 2nd Div, Deadly Tomahawks Div. Now in Bed-Stuy back in the early 70s. Breakin only meant showing up girls dancing. Like doing drops, spins, skips. Make her not want to dance. So we would say to the homies like: "She thought she had me. Until i started Breaking on her" That wasn't how Break Dancing would evolve eventually. Let me say this. If you didn't Hustle. You freestyle dance which was freakin and Breakin. For example: Watch Flavor Flav on Public Enemy 'Fight The Power' video. People laugh. But some of his moves were original breakin and freestyle freakin. How boys were dancing with girls freestyling. And to the brother speaking. You took me back for real. Because i had a pair of black n white Marshmallows. The first Quarterfield coat with the leather trim around the collar. Then i had the second Quarterfield with the fur around the collar and lapel. I would take that one to Germany with me. When i went in the Army in 1977.
But shout out to the Bronx Black Spades for being the innovators. I use see them and other gangs from the Bronx at Coney Island all the time. There was always some tension between Bronx and Brooklyn gangs. But for the most part. The big majors gangs knew of one another. And it wasn't always static if we ran into each other on the trains flying colors. I had cousins who were Black Spades from Bronx River Projects in the early 70's. Sometimes at family gatherings they come and we see other. We just hug each other and laugh. Talk a little gang talk. Have a good time
Some of the records you mentioned didn't come out until 76/78.Like Jam on the groove and Dance to the drummers beat.
This dude thinks they were the only ones smoking weed at 8, 9 and smashing babes under the stairs in the projects? I get that they were doing their thing. But, there was no social media back then. Kids 9 years old didn't necessarily know what was going on in other parts of the city. I give the Bronx major props, but there were good DJs with crazy sound systems in other parts of the city as well. AJ Lester and Jerry's Den are Harlem things, not Bronx. People rocked Marsh Mellows, Playboys, British Walkers, Clarks, Referees, etc. all over the city. Grandmaster Flowers, Pete DJ Jones, Disco Twins, Disco King Mario, Cool Herc, DJs on the radio ... a lot of folks influenced the formation of hip hop.
Lastly, what songs were they cutting up in 71? Apache by the Bongo Rock Band didn't even come out until 73. By 73-74, there were other DJs around NYC making a name.
You obviously don't pay attention or you have poor comprehension skills. He answered every question and addressed every statement that you said. Maybe you should watch the video again.
AJ Lester’s in Harlem! Speak on it brother! 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾 Jerry’s Den Barbershop for the fresh Blowouts! British Walkers, Playboys, Grips, etc. 🔥🔥🔥
you ain't saying nothing but the truth. Cortifield coats gazelle glasses champaign cologne super pro keds the suede joints too and converse hi top whites. Reval Knox, Stacy Adams and of course AJ Lester's with all the fly shit. their Italian knits was off the chain and mock necks in every color. I remember when Thom McCann's started selling them fake playboys and you better not be caught wearing them lmao! I told my moms I shopped down Delancy st lol. I lived in Grant projects on w 125 street and was running them streets all of the 70's and went to ps 125 as a kid. I remember Jerry's den I forgot the cats name with the middle chair but he cut my hair for years. and walking crosstown going to the Apollo theater on Easter Xmas and holidays or any night freshly decked seeing all the big name acts. all of them!
cats from our projects was going down 116th st to scramble them quarters to make that big dough. they would buy you out of all your tray bags they didn't care how many you had before they left to go down there. leaving everyone else mad till you re upped lol. going to club 371 with dj Hollywood, Pedro's top of the hill, the Fever all in the BX. I was too young to drive but you didn't need a car them gypsy cabs was good enough until OJ and god father cab services started. we had us up some chauffeurs on demand then lol. damn. those was the days when everything was new and wide wide open. aww man I got a lot of stories from back in the day good and bad. peace.
@Kmac10027 One Love Brother! Your neighbor from Manhattanville right here! I feel your experience through your writing!!! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾 Peace! 😎
@@classicharlem3952 yes one love! and you from the ville. then you know what I'm talking about. yes I will always remember those times and keep them close to my heart. Peace. ✌🏿
Great stuff
Love how that guy in the beginning contradicts himself. First he said no knuckleheads fighting the jams. Now this guy is talking about they were in the parties and whooping ass.
They were baby spades so
Do an interview with kool dj herc
I know people that know this man, and they say that he is an habitual liar. He claims that he was collecting break beats since 1968. What would compel him or anyone at that time to "collect" break beats? Let alone the fact that he was only 5 years old at that time! SMH
Breakbeats, or instrumental solos, already exist in a lot of FBA music. If he listened to FBA music at 5, then he is correct.
@@QuatMan Are you serious or are you joking?
@@soulknob9991 I am serious..."hip hop pioneers" were a bunch of djs isolating, connecting, and looping the funky instrumental solos in Black American music at parties because they couldnt play instruments like the Black American men who produced the music😉
Let me fine out you was around when they was rocking the ponys 😂😆😂
Phase jumped from '71 to '76 without even checking his timeline. The clothes that he mentioned came out in '75 '76 '77. I was eight years old in '72. He was not shopping at AJ Lester at 8 years old, it was a men's store LOL! They didn't have his size. Grips came out in '76. Marshmallows came out in '75. '69'ers Pro Keds came out in '69. The man is lying! He was too young!
Hmmm. I think he meant Stealing but if they were mens clothes I guess he's a Tailor
Real talk about BLACK I see my man Big Ron
All his premature behavior does NOT mean he created Hip Hop. Phase is blasphemous.
They better include mario in that museum theyre building in the bronx
Please make books and offer these for sale because because other people been writing wrong things and speaking like they have claim to the start of out Culture.
I'll be looking everywhere to this documentary when I was 8 9 years old I used to do that with my records too especially when you got an instrumental in the natural natural energy comes where you want to just rhyme over somebody singing somebody rhyming it's a natural spiritual thing
Get them in a summit with the rest of everybody and bring out the truth
One correction guys, the brand proper spelling is "pierre cardin", not "cardan".
Apache wasn't released till 1973.
Too much info to run wit' that...b.u.t. good observation!!!
Nourdin Mayer 32:30 pay attention.
Proof dude Bobi be lyingall the time
Apache came out in 1970, fam. The song's producer, Michael Viner confirms this...
@@bigerv98 "Bongo rock" was Also featured in Blaxploitation movie called "the thing with two heads" soundtrack in 1972
yo the story of "we used to rob Pathmark so much they gave the older kids jobs as security" is one of the funniest things I've ever heard
He is one hell of a liar.
The twins said they were dancing from 72 kool herc said he was doing his thing in 71 bam all the others say they followed herc
Good info, I been watching you for a while now. I wonder what you got to say about the accusations against BAAM saying he is a pedophile. I heard one dude touch on it, but then leave it alone.
again title is misleading, Rocksteady confirms that B Boy originally was Bronx Boy. This is all PRE Hip Hop...so yea these are all the cats that influenced the next. Much Respect to the originators.
B boy was boiiing boy,a derogatory term for bouncing off the floor like a spinning top used by cool HERC because he was a disco Dj.i hear from the elderstatesmen that HERC would be livid that the young folks would come from the east & south bronx with the acrobatic type dances to his coolie scene.
'71??? Been going to the Dale in '71 n I don't remember seeing any outdoor djs until bout '75, 76.
Crazy I started smoking and getting money by robbing people in 86. I was 8 years old in ENY Brooklyn.All I ever knew was hip hop/rap. My older cousins had me in parties in the park in LES at 4 and 5 years old ,how did my mother like my cousins babysit 🤣✊🏽 memories jams in park ,my cousins told me I had ears back then and knew which’s records to give him. Great times.
I'm in my 60s and one thing I don't agree with what the brothers in the Bronx are saying, This style of music was going on all over New York not just the Bronx but they make it seem like it was just in the Bronx. Every Boro had their own DJs but the first one I ever heard Rap was DJ Hollywood and nobody mentions him from the Bronx. But as far as Gangs like in Brooklyn,, Marcy had the Marcy Chaplands, Brownsville had the Tomahawks and they also had an all-female Tomahawk gang,, I was in the Brooklyn Outlaws out of Bed Stuy then I joined the 5 percent Nation,, There was also the Savage Skulls which was a Puerto Rican Brooklyn gang.
my man remind me of Tracy Morgan
There are many stories, we were bused to ps 101 in the Troggs neck area the bus would ride up the Buckner exp. at Castle Hill there was A liquor store and my neighbor Pauly Altomore would thos a rock through the liquor store window the cops would stop the bus but nobody would talk to the cops, it was crazy. Rip Paul Altomore.
i love this.. i love hiphop
TO THIS DAY ONELINE WRITES WITH THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE BRONX NYC!!!!! MY HOMETOWN.
incredibly dope information .. thank you.. yo- what are the brothers facebook links? etc i looked for DJ FAZE to no avail
He spell it Phase...
ONELINE = BRONXDALE PJ'S 1715 1ST SECTION AS A KID / 1755 2ND SECTION AS AN OLDER KID.
Fucking great work bro !!!!!
WATSON WAS THE STOP LINE LOL WESTCHESTER SOUNDVIEW ST LAWRENCE AND NOT EVEN PARKCHESTER THOSE 2 STOPS WILL GET YOU ACROSS TO MONROE OR THE VIEW UNLESS U JUMPING IN A DOLLAR CAB REAL TALK
Back of 1085 and 1780 BXDALE OG!!!
how was Mario extending the break without a mixer?
he said they were playing the drums...and then the record. he also said Mario let them play
peace and much respect.That's what I said ...the film stated Mario let them play. I would love to see and hear more.
I DID THAT BACK IN 78 79 ,WHAT I WOULD DO IS JUST PICK UP THE NEEDLE AND BRING IT BACK..LOL TRUE STORY MENG. CBC CTHARTFORD IN THE THE PAGE WITH NO RAGE .JUST FACTS
@@markogarcia7578there's a video of Q Tip doing that technique for 8 minutes straight!! Kanye was in the studio as well amazed at Q
Rip My Man Black Jerry from DA 2nd COWBOY WAS MY TEACHER IN DA CENTER
Many Mad facts and many mad opinions. Always remember you only know your 360 if you go from the building to the park to the bodega and back to building especially @ 8 somethings are visual but most are heard. I’m from my moms Castle Hill and my dad on boynton. What I will tell you how I made my name was going in on caucasians while many of so called black/hispanics used to get off at st. Lawrence or soundview to walk around White plains rd and Castle hill. These same clicks were flipping on each other. Same old shit we always do. I mean I am 2 years younger but I dont think I missed that much. But honestly I barely remember 8 years old. You remember all that at 8? Damn super powers. Coke La Rock claims different. Why? Different parts of the bronx. What happens if what is created comes from that which is already created you can connect the dots as you please. Because its not original, it was made or grafted. So just like devil he changes history. Does that sound familiar?
I dare a Jamaicans say that hop hop started from them with dance haLL
wow marshmallows with the thick rubber A.J overlaps took me back
MY only ISSUE WITH ALL OF THIS, i AM THE SAME AGE AS HIM....HOW WOULD A 8, 9, 10 YEAR KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON IN Brooklyn, south Jamaica IN 1971-1973 ? what i AM GETTING FROM THIS IS THAT ONLY BRONX WAS DOING THIS ........
Maybe they went to Brooklyn on the 🚆
In another video DJD and his brother state they came to the Bronx in 1968 from Brooklyn and they played with Fantasya look into the group from Brooklyn, also when Jimmy Waits said Bambata was never an original spade. DJD states Bambata took over after DJD as the first div first chapter. At that time it was getting crazy the city was getting back up and more cops were on the streets. You see different age groups and there perseption of what happened is different one statement was Cool Hurk in the beginning was not that strong but latter we was a power. There was an order there were less killing because of the gangs. The best fighters would go against each other, it was rear that outsiders would get hurt. The best fighters were Snoopy Ronald Scott and Freddy Miller, Freddy ran with Banard Isreal , Earl McLaughlin,Tony Ortiz and Harry Loyd . Snoopy best friend was Big Gill. Snoopy also ran with Light Skinned Slater. I also though that Slater came from the Throggs Neck Project. Every one needs to go through there pictures my friend Roy had a picture of the hand bal court with the Savage Nomads fourth div. the skull with a top hat and knife throu the eye I bet there are a lot of pictures from those days. Jimmy Mac
Mario was the King of 1st Division. What I was told
Yes it was DJ mario yes
i train with cowboy know. him well good man
Southern Blvd was poping in those days I remember they would do jams with big ass speakers when a jam would happen in my Block chingolings ;the zoolu nation castaoverlovers was there I feel you saying alot but if you didn't come out your block how can you know what was popin in other nabour hoods I'm sorry your story has gaps
WHERE ARE THE PICTURES BRO. PICTURES CARRY FACTS ALONG WAY. NO DISS JUST A QUESTION, AND WHAT YR WERE YOU 8 YRS OLD ROCKING OUT LIKE THAT.
1971.. baby Spades... Pics... You thinking like a millennial or Gen Z.. now it's a shame that by the 1980s all the creators from the Spades were washed down and Breaking and Wild style put PRs in the center of Hip Hop and boom here we are with you "Where's the pics from 1971-73... Life. Wasn't really like that in that era.. you won't thinking of let me take a "Selfie"
JU-MAN!!!! THAT SPOT!!!!!!!
This info needs to be put out to all those who say Kool herc was doing it first. This info here tells the world that disco king Mario is the real godfather of hip hop not Kool herc !!!
Facts. Da Boogie was; as this generation would say, LIT.
They had fly girls in bronx river
FACTS I WAS THERE I HAD FAMILY THAT LIVED THERE. I SAW WHAT Alot OF WHAT PHAZE IS TALKING ABOUT. PS 123, and 131…Rosedale park late night pole parties with the whole in the fence. Kids breaking when it was just called “BREAKING” way before Rocksteady..when we were kids we went to PS 47. Before HIP HOP was born
Bronx Dale was the place to be it was amazing amazing yo I can't even tell u but he's right the early 70 I was outside true story
7:33 he said "rips" lol...that's how my crime days started....just to get a pair of rips... smh
Look at these fools that don’t know Hip Hop culture started in the Bronx
We use to rock high top JOX sneakers , Hush Puppies shoes, and Mark 5s aswell...lol. Only 60s, 70s and 80s babies Know about this. Phase ain't NEVER Lied. All FACTS!!!!!! my family is Still in BronxDale, SoundView and 169 Washington Ave. The Bronx was the first, I know, I was There!!! In my Just-Ice voice 😂🤣😆👍🏾💯🙏🏾🎤
The ROSAS IS MY FAM GOD BLESS!!!! Real life he's dropping some real shit it ain't from here u wouldn't understand!!! DA Washington's!!! To Crazy Pat to GRANDMA BXDALE LETS GO
WOW you said crazy Pat! Memories