Long story short, he relied on strength and athleticism his entire career instead of honing his boxing skills, he relied too heavily on knockout power and that’s what lead to his downfall. When he started to decline athletically over time, he couldn’t sustain that fighting style which lead to his demise
that’s why a fighter like Floyd was able to fight at an older age and not lose, He evolved… He completely refined and honed his boxing skills and became money Mayweather, the most technical fighter of all time! Pretty boy Floyd would brawl but as he got older he couldn’t sustain that fighting style due to injuries, so he evolved and adopted the Philly-shell, which in turn extended his prime
Guy started boxing late compared to everyone else at his skill level. It's crazy to think if he started in his young teens how good he could have been.
@@ChaosReaper426 People always bring up the fact that he started late, but there are plenty of boxers who started just as late (ray mercer and Hassim rahman to name two) without looking like a fish floundering around.
@@edge1247 Yep. Foreman, Marciano, Frazier, Norton, Lyle, Young, Louis, Patterson, and Liston would mess up modern heavyweights P4P, relative to their time periods.
@soundwavesuperior28 It baffles my mind how old school fighters can throw hundreds of punches for a solid 15 rounds and come out walking and talking like it was nothing. Ontop of fighting more.
@@ericborder5272 The only reason you believe that is because you're a biased moron. AJ fought everybody and ducked nobody. Wilder ducked everybody and fought nobody until Fury, who is himself a ducker.
In my opinion of Deontay Wilder, you can’t just win a bronze medal in under 2 years of boxing, score 40 ko's and tie Muhammad ali in title defenses by being a one trick lucky pony, was he the best boxer? FUCK NO, but he was a great puncher who had one of the biggest hearts in boxing and brought excitement back to the heavyweight division. Deontay did what he set out to do, make money for his family, and become champion. He made millions but just didn't have the motivation that drove him in first place anymore and became a civilized boxer doing it for the check instead of fighting for something or someone. I don't think we'll see him again, and being a fan of him, I don't want to see him again. He's done enough for boxing and for himself. I hope he has a nice retirement.
Thank you, I’ve been hearing everyone just say he was a unskilled power puncher, but I think he was a little more than that, it’s just too bad he started skipping leg day
But that´s precisely what he was: a once trick pony. And he was really good at it, not lucky. He basically mastered the setup to his right hand. And it´s why guys like Szpilka, Washington and Duhaupas gave him so much trouble, they were good enough to take advantage of such a simplistic approach. Heck, Ortiz managed to win every round in the rematch until the KO happened, simply because Wilder was just looking for that right hand. Unfortunately for Ortiz, Wilder knew how to find it. And the only reason Wilder got to 10 title defenses is because he ducked legitimate opposition. In the end, he went 3-4-1 against Ring Magazine ranked opponents(at time of fight). This with 10 title defenses on his resume and 32 victories before his first title fight. The man was a manufactured champion who did not beat a single top contender before his undeserved title shot. After which it took him another 3 years before facing a top 10 contender. Which is a shame as Wilder could have been so much more. They could have guided him better and made him evolve, but no. They had to protect him and this is the end result.
Awww so romantic! 👏🏻😃 Wilder has done nothing for boxing but to his crying delusional fanatics. Wilder fighting mediocre opposition while holding a belt hostage is “doing something for boxing”? Man you casuals fanboys are a joke.
I had to scroll so far to find a comment that I could upvote. Like seriously we all know how limited Wilder’s skills are. What changed isn’t a regression of skill, he clearly lacks motivation to keep fighting, in the pressers leading up to this fight he said that he’s tryna find the mentality he used to have but it’s so obvious that he was forcing himself to keep fighting cuz the checks were huge. And there was even that whole Ayahuasca thing where he basically came back with a much more peaceful disposition and wasn’t talking about killing people in the ring anymore lollll.
Bronze is exactly where his level is at, just bronze. Good enough boxer ...... But his pro career was managed really well , 70% of his pro fights were against Unranked boxers , or 250th and above , with the WBC pulling most of his mandatories from Planet mars. Ofcourse he had a chance to face serious opposition, like Klitschko , but his manager at the time said He wasn't ready cos they felt he just wasn't good enough yet , at the time wilder was already 33-0 . I mean AJ came in a few years later , and went for Klitschko in like fight number 17 .
People who say wilder lost his punch resistance and punch power in his right hand are coping in my opinion. Wilder simply started fighting better competition in Parker and Zhang and got found out to be well below average.
@@j.e3336That's because he was getting countered. Zhang is a very skilled counter punched. As soon as Wilder threw the first right straight he immediately got countered with Zhang check right hook. So ofc he'll throw less since Zhang was luring him into counters.
I don’t think he lost his punch resistance, its just that his defence wasn’t tested until he fought Fury and with Big Bang, that had nothing to do with resistance. If you’re spinning like a ballerina in the ring of course you’re getting slept.
His downfall doesn’t need to be studied because it has a real simple explanation. His record was more padded than the room of someone in a mental hospital. Due to this, he was unable to handle actual decent opposition. (Most likes I’ve ever gotten. 🙏)
You have to give him a bit more credit, he actually won that first fury fight the ref mis-counted… it’s actually due to his lack of true skill and unorthodox fighting style… it’s unsustainable. One of the most exciting fighters ever, he just never evolved and that’s what lead to his demise
@@harambe7430he was down on the 10 count, the ref miscounted so He was able to fight on, but he wasn’t supposed to because he was down to the 10 is all I’m saying, so that should’ve been Wilders win
@@robbiemurda2213 He's like the inverse of Manny Pacquiao in every way: tall with big upper body and tiny lower body, while Manny is short with a relatively small upper body and the calves of a cruiserweight.
@@Tenchigumi in boxing, the power comes from the hips and shoulders, but your calves give you mobility. Wilder was always a plant his feet and swing type of guy. He always neglected mobility
@@Drpepperspray1010 Yeah, strong legs are critical for footwork (Pacman is a good example here too), but a good straight involves quite a bit of the legs, generating power from the entire kinetic chain: pushing up from your feet, to the calves, to the thighs, to the hips, to the shoulders, to the arms, and then sending that energy with the fist. That said, the muscles involved in generating linear power aren't necessarily those used for things like lateral movement and overall finesse, so I agree that Deontay probably neglected that part of his S&C.
Breland would have changed nothing… it was his trash opponents that made him look good… once he started boxing actually talented boxers, that’s when he got EXPOSED… based on how Wilder refused to focus on basics, no trainer in the world would have changed anything…
I don't know why people aren't talking about this more lol the man's completed everything he wanted to in life, he's got nothing left for the sport. He wasn't raised in the sport of boxing, and as soon as he achieved his financial goals and faced real adversity it makes total sense that he's not got anything left to give. Compare to Joshua who - even tho he also came into it late - seems like cares so much more about the sport and sees it as a part of who he is. He may not be the amazing fighter, may not be the best of his generation but he wants to fight to prove something to himself and everyone else. Wilder just isn't that.
Wilder doesn’t get enough credit for the first Fury fight. It was probably the best display of boxing I’ve seen from him. Even though fury is clearly the superior boxer, Wilder was very strategic in picking his shots. He worked Fury to the corners where he could throw his best shots. Otherwise, a big part of his downfall is his abandonment of his left hook. Id argue at one point, it was equally as devastating as his straight right
As much as I hate Wilder and I do think he was a terrible heavyweight with poor poor boxing skills the first Fury fight was actually his best performance in all furnace, you have a good point.
I was surprised at Wilders skills in the first Fury fight! He actually had fairly good movement, had live legs, was using his jab and looked quick and fast.
In the end, all he came to boxing for was to provide a better life for his daughter and he's achieved that. But as a boxing fan I'm real glad I don't have to pretend to rate him anymore.
He wasn't a lifelong athlete or even someone that grew up wanting to box. He was just a big ass dude that knew how to fight and started training. The fact that it took this long for him to start falling off shows you the talent level of heavyweight boxing in my opinion.
Most of his losses are to fighters older than him, so the “he aged” arguments don’t really work- he has a losing career record against boxers ranked *literally anywhere*. Take of that what you will
Especially for somebody who “tied Ali’s defenses record”, when you’re doing that by facing fighters that publications say thousand of people worldwide could beat and you’re knocking them out to pad your stats, it’s a pretty questionable ethical dilemma aside from ruining your legacy
Deontay Wilder still had a impressive career and was a fan favorite. He was never truly a good or skillful boxer in the slightest sense yes, but his power and ferocity carried him till he lost his spark in the 3 fights he had with Tyson. Either way rest well champ you accomplished alot and reached heights so many other boxers will ever see, wish we could have saw prime Wilder vs Aj though. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM SQUAAAAAAAAAAAD
Wilders career was carried by his explosive speed and power, his age and the fury fights have cost him his speed and now he is just food fighting at the elite level. We don’t need Wilder Vs AJ anymore, Wilder doesn’t need to take anymore damage. It’s simply just another potentially iconic fight that we won’t get to see
Athletes who rely on explosive speed need to develop other strengths because explosive speed/agility are always the athletic attributes that decline the earliest.
The Bronze Bomber was first out-boxed by former WBO world HW champion Joseph Parker and then heavilt knocked-out by Zhilei Zhang and eliminated from the top. How he for years cherry picked easy hittble targets and after con-artist Fury did just the same, they both got handed big defeats. How Wilder braged the heck out of his power for so many years and have then gotten to taste his own medicine. So in the short version, Wilder depended on strength and athleticism his entire boxing career, instead of developing his boxing skills, Wilder depended all on knockout power. That is what lead to his downfall. When Wilder started to decline athletically over time due to age and inactivity, he could not sustain that fighting style which lead to his demise. Having no foot-work, no stabile guard, no jab punch to talk about, no real defensive skills, not able to box walking back-wards....yeah it was always that big right hand that saved the day. The Luis Ortiz fights was the perfect example of how that right saved him twice from getting defeated, and the Tyson Fury fights exposed his lack of being able to handle the preassure back-wards.
Wilder was like 100 in attributes and like 25 in skills It’s good to have fighters like him in any division but these types will always be second to the top class fighters
Unlike most DW fans, I always told people it was only a matter time… Being a one trick pony in most sports will get you by. But not in boxing. There’s little to no room for error. He had many.
It's not really worth studying... He was a hype job and finally met the elite level. Nothing more than a cash cow cashed in. Modern day Primo Carnera, with more skill.
It's super depressing man, he could have been heavyweight Hearns if he had the right trainer(s). This is why you don't pad your resume with tomato cans and discount the entire sweet science as if boxing is a punching contest. I feel bad for him in a way but he's only reaping what he sowed for his entire first half of his career. It's borderline suicidal to come at top heavyweights with no gameplan other than "I hit hard so I don't need fundamentals" You would have to be pretty arrogant to think you're going to beat dudes who worked way harder than you and who have been through way more than you. Respect for your opponent is crucial. Choosing people you know you're going to beat, who you have no respect for, is just weakness on your own part. Then he thought he could treat the top heavyweights with the same disdain and got smoked for it because he doubled down every time. I did really like him when I first heard of him though, he had insane potential but just never got with a good trainer who would actually teach him shit lmfao
Goofy ahhh take. Thats completely his own damn fault. it wasn't his trainers who said forget about fundamentals, multiple tried to get him to actually learn how to box and he didn't listen, massive ego. Multiple trainers that have worked with him in the past have said as much. Can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink and all that.
Hearns ????? You’ve lost your ever loving mind bro. Hearns was an amazing boxer. The only thing they have in common is they are black and similar built. That’s where it ends.
What a joke is to compare Wilder with one of the kings. Especially with the hitman, who was not only very accurate, but also very skilled with the jab and legs.
7:33 Wilder will be just fine. We do not have top tier heavyweights anymore. These heavyweights today are big and tall but don't have the skills of the fighters from the past. Usyk comes close to those heavyweights from the past. I would love to see more Skilled heavyweights.
Its a general rule in combat sports that the heavier the fighter, the less technical the fight. I dont think ANYONE is tuning into a heavyweight fight be it boxing or MMA (There are some exceptions of course) expecting to see the best the sport has to offer. No. The heavyweights are there to swing fists and knock someone out in one shot. Wilder is the perfect embodiment of that.
2:00 it's wild how much all three of these guys have fallen from Grace. Even wilder how out of all of them, AJ's stock is probably the highest right now.
It's just really sad that Wilder went out this way. It's also depressing that he had SOOO MUCHHHH Potential, with the gift of a 1 punch KO. Not everyone has that gift. Imagine if he was technical and has this amazing power. I'm not sure if we would have a totally different Wilder if he had a better trainer to bring that potential out even after the Fury loss.
It was sad when he said Fury had a metal egg in his glove, his costume was too heavy, Fury's gloves were too loose and when Mark Breland poisoned him. After Zhang hit him, he wasn't looking at the ref, he was on queer street. I hope he retires in decent health; it may be the luckiest thing that has ever happened to him.
It's sad to see that a quality channel like yours could take a dip in views after uploading two videos that went against the popular opinion in MMA. Seriously people in the MMA community seem to like having only one opinion about things so if someone suggests that the best boxer is Dustin when Max Holloway is trending, or someone even insinuates that Khabib might not be the best Dagestani fighter in the world, then they lose popularity.
He still hits hard as ever,that was never the issue,he moved parker with a slap hook on the backfoot and all. The reason wilder is getitng beat up is a pure skill situation, he just doesnt have what it takes to hang with the pros, power alone got him far but it cant take you to the top.
Nobody thought he was the best heavyweight in the world, only the black people from the hood probably thought it, his first 40 fights where with unranked guys, his first ever PPV was when he fought Tyson Fury and he lost every time. The guy was trash but had insane power. He never learned to box his hole career.
While he does have padded record, I feel like the fury loss hurt him more than him stepping up in competition. You can just see how broken he was mentally after the second fight, his energy and confidence was never the same after that, and the Joseph Parker fight really put the nail in the coffin. Not to mention that he’s a glass cannon, something that can only get you so far in boxing.
Deontay Wilder was on peds. Early in his career he had a good right hand and got knockdowns with it then he suddenly gained a huge amount of upper body and back muscle and suddenly he became a one punch ko fighter.Now for whatever reason hes back to his old power levels with the right.Zhang never felt any power.
He's got metal pins in his right hand, that's why he punches so hard. Dude is basically using a knuckle duster in every fight. The pins were put in after he had a motorbike accident.
I've said this before and I'll say it again, Wilder was never elite, all he had was a good right hand and nothing else, he chose to cherry pick Fury right after the dude came back from a 3 year lay off and see how that went for him. Anyone that knows how to box will always beat him. And I said it before the reason why he went after AJ verbally was to elevate his own status and build a name for himself, but never wanted any part of that fight actually happening.
Respect to him, he fought everyone no matter the weight difference. Can never blame someone for trying, especially against the best. But man he’s seriously giving up 30-40 pounds in most matches against better technical boxers. That’s hard
To reiterate what Teddy Atlas said about Mike Tyson, Deontay Wilder was the exact kind of boxer he accused Tyson of being, Wilder was fed tomato cans his entire career and the moment he was in an actual fight, he lost all of them.
Wilder had potential, heart, and killer power. But thats not enough at the top of the division. Wilder took the easy path, chose the easiest fights possible instead of working his way up and improving his skillset. It worked fine when he was on top, he got Klitschko out of the WBC rankings so he wouldnt have to get kod by a 40 year old, and he got guys outside the top 50 rankings moved into the top 10 for title defences. Then he cherry picked Tyson Fury, the lineal champ who had been innactive for years and 400 pounds, seems like an easy fight to gain some valididy. But it was a cherry pick gone wrong, and he was no longer on top, he couldnt pick his fights and get big cherry-picked opportunities based on image anymore. He had to actually earn his opportunities by defeating real opposition. He isnt washed, he got found out, if he can get kod by Fury, his chin was never that great to begin with, and hes always been prone to getting confused and doing nothing for rounds when his opponents box decently well. Now hes facing opponents who are good enough to not accidentally walk into his right hand, and there's nothing he can do to beat them. I dont think his friendly change is detrimental either, its easy to be mean when you're against guys that are bound to get knocked out, its hard to be mean when you know you're a lamb to the slaughter. That's why guys like Chisora are so respected. He only ever had a good right hand l, heart and hand speed, he still has those things.
Wilder is a crazy story how he had so much raw power but never learned to box, hand picked fights throughout his career (like many other boxers) until he ran into Fury. Who was supposed to be an easy fight since he dealt with mental health issues and wasn’t intimidating to look at, but that proved to be the biggest mistake Wilder made. So ironic how that came to bite him in the ass and put his career in a downward spiral.
he went out sad because he was scammed, along with the fans, that he was the real deal. he's been overrated his entire career. his best career win was against a 40 year old luis ortiz. the worst champion resume in the recent his tory. well, he was better than bermane stiverne i'll give him that imao.
When Deontay Wilder put blame on his entrance gear for his second bout against Tyson Fury as the reason for his defeat, and than the Wilder Delusional fanbase started saying that Fury cheated with his boxing 🥊 , I knew that aura of invincibility that Deontay Wilder once had was absolutely over.... 💯
Let’s be clear… Wilder’s downfall started when he gave Fury his best shot, just to see Fury get up like The Undertaker. Everything about his confidence and his entire aura as a knockout artist vanished at that moment. That’s when he realized what everyone else was saying was true…he should’ve learned to BOX to supplement that power. It was downhill from there.
If I was Wilder, I would retire but I wouldn't stop spamming, I just focus on rebuilding myself physically and mentally. And as soon as I feel Im ready I would come out of retirement and give it one last run. If Zhang at the age of 40 can rise in the ranks, Wilder can comeback. Take two years off out of the two years get six months rest. Spar quality opponents make a comeback at age 41 see what happens.
It’s only fitting that he falls so quick, I mean he had a quicker rise to the top of boxing than almost anyone. He started training waaaaay later than everyone else, got a bronze medal, and then catapulted to the top of the sport.
A lot of people like to pin Wilder's downfall on the idea that Tyson Fury took his soul in their trilogy, but that argument falls flat when guys like AJ, Daniel Dubois and Joseph Parker have came back and rebuilt themselves after their losses. Truth is, Wilder was always a bang average boxer who was brilliantly managed and sold to the public. His legacy is that he'll be known as the ultimate can-crusher who never beat any top heavyweight of his era.
There is no "downfall of Deontay Wilder," actually. He is a multi, multi, MULTI millionaire, living his best life. He & his family never have to worry about $$ ever again. This video should be titled: "The unfathomably wonderful blessings of the Wilder Family!"
The issue is he tried to change fundamentals that are ingrained in him. He's 16 years and 40+ fights deep. He needs to realize that he is what he is. Spend the entire fight using his length, athleticism and set up the right hand. If he's not capable of that anymore, he needs to retire.
The downfall of Wilder is eerily similar to the downfall of Ronda Rousey. One trick ponies whose trick got them to the top of the world. And for that reason, grew to believe their own hype before meeting their match who'd initially expose them. Got rocked but didn't bother acknowledging the opponent OR improving on their own game, so they kept floating around the top before getting beat down once more.
Deontay can easily return even with losses. He's no longer considered impossible to defeat, which only makes him a target and potential for anyone interested in fighting him. As long as he wants to accept fights, we will see him in the future.
Look I ain't no rat fan who turns their backs when a fighter starts to lose, The Bronze Bomber era was some of the most exciting times in boxing, and I will miss it. Thank you Deontay Wilder
It's not easy for most fighters to evolve their fighting style. If you trained the same way for so many years, your body becomes accustomed to it. Wilder did attempt to use the jap against Fury, especially in the 3rd right, but as the fight progressed, he resorted to his default style. Wilder just had one punch (right cross or hook).
Uhhh, Wilder getting to the heights he reached with his background and the adversity he has facdd and overcome is the amazing part that needs to be studied. Didn't box in his youth, only picked it up while in jail and became a world champion. Dude was born with all the genetics you could want for a Boxer. He/his trainer's developed his style around those gifts of height, reach, and power. He didn't grow up boxing like Fury, if he had maybe we might have seen an undisputed GOAT. I mean, imagine Tyson Fury with Wilder's power? Unstoppable.
love watching wilder fight, but the fact is he wasn't a good enough boxer to stay at that level, he had a padded record and when he fought someone decent he lost, you don't see too many professional boxers load up wild punches like wilder does,
Sad and depressing? I don't find this depressing at all. This is a typical boxer story. When you get to the top, you lose the "edge" and you ain't hungry no more. Then you fall...Deontay is a one punch wonder. This video is a fanboy crying over an average boxer...
The description is not accurate. It's neither sad nor a downfall. He was never really at the top but simply put there. He just got exposed badly. By contrast, Ali's retirement was sad because he had always fought the best and he showed his heart to the end. He remained standing after being pummelled for 10 rounds by Larry Holmes. He was a true champion and hero. His last hurrah was tear jerking and remains so today. Like night and day compared with Wilder.
He started boxing late for one but never really fought proper opposition till later in his career. He’s inability to actually box led him to the 4 losses. Never rated him one bit.
Long story short, he relied on strength and athleticism his entire career instead of honing his boxing skills, he relied too heavily on knockout power and that’s what lead to his downfall. When he started to decline athletically over time, he couldn’t sustain that fighting style which lead to his demise
that’s why a fighter like Floyd was able to fight at an older age and not lose, He evolved… He completely refined and honed his boxing skills and became money Mayweather, the most technical fighter of all time! Pretty boy Floyd would brawl but as he got older he couldn’t sustain that fighting style due to injuries, so he evolved and adopted the Philly-shell, which in turn extended his prime
Same with Zhang he evolved too
Guy started boxing late compared to everyone else at his skill level. It's crazy to think if he started in his young teens how good he could have been.
@@kqwerty11 With his mentality, just as bad as he is now.
@@ChaosReaper426 People always bring up the fact that he started late, but there are plenty of boxers who started just as late (ray mercer and Hassim rahman to name two) without looking like a fish floundering around.
bombers do eventually run out of bombs
Today's Bombers run out. The OGS like Louis, Marciano, and Frazier could last a full 15
No, he just sucked lol
@@edge1247
Yep. Foreman, Marciano, Frazier, Norton, Lyle, Young, Louis, Patterson, and Liston would mess up modern heavyweights P4P, relative to their time periods.
@soundwavesuperior28 It baffles my mind how old school fighters can throw hundreds of punches for a solid 15 rounds and come out walking and talking like it was nothing. Ontop of fighting more.
@@edge1247 frazier's heart need to be studied in thrilla in manila bro,how did a dude both eyes blinded stood still taking hard shots
Always wanted to see Wilder vs AJ when Wilder was in his prime. Unfortunate that contract never got signed
Yeah I think everyone wanted to see this fight. It would have been explosive
He ducked
@@N_L_23 AJ ducked.
@@ericborder5272
The only reason you believe that is because you're a biased moron.
AJ fought everybody and ducked nobody. Wilder ducked everybody and fought nobody until Fury, who is himself a ducker.
@@ericborder5272 How did AJ duck?
In my opinion of Deontay Wilder, you can’t just win a bronze medal in under 2 years of boxing, score 40 ko's and tie Muhammad ali in title defenses by being a one trick lucky pony, was he the best boxer? FUCK NO, but he was a great puncher who had one of the biggest hearts in boxing and brought excitement back to the heavyweight division. Deontay did what he set out to do, make money for his family, and become champion. He made millions but just didn't have the motivation that drove him in first place anymore and became a civilized boxer doing it for the check instead of fighting for something or someone. I don't think we'll see him again, and being a fan of him, I don't want to see him again. He's done enough for boxing and for himself. I hope he has a nice retirement.
Thank you, I’ve been hearing everyone just say he was a unskilled power puncher, but I think he was a little more than that, it’s just too bad he started skipping leg day
But that´s precisely what he was: a once trick pony. And he was really good at it, not lucky. He basically mastered the setup to his right hand.
And it´s why guys like Szpilka, Washington and Duhaupas gave him so much trouble, they were good enough to take advantage of such a simplistic approach. Heck, Ortiz managed to win every round in the rematch until the KO happened, simply because Wilder was just looking for that right hand. Unfortunately for Ortiz, Wilder knew how to find it.
And the only reason Wilder got to 10 title defenses is because he ducked legitimate opposition. In the end, he went 3-4-1 against Ring Magazine ranked opponents(at time of fight). This with 10 title defenses on his resume and 32 victories before his first title fight.
The man was a manufactured champion who did not beat a single top contender before his undeserved title shot. After which it took him another 3 years before facing a top 10 contender.
Which is a shame as Wilder could have been so much more. They could have guided him better and made him evolve, but no. They had to protect him and this is the end result.
Awww so romantic! 👏🏻😃 Wilder has done nothing for boxing but to his crying delusional fanatics. Wilder fighting mediocre opposition while holding a belt hostage is “doing something for boxing”? Man you casuals fanboys are a joke.
I had to scroll so far to find a comment that I could upvote. Like seriously we all know how limited Wilder’s skills are. What changed isn’t a regression of skill, he clearly lacks motivation to keep fighting, in the pressers leading up to this fight he said that he’s tryna find the mentality he used to have but it’s so obvious that he was forcing himself to keep fighting cuz the checks were huge. And there was even that whole Ayahuasca thing where he basically came back with a much more peaceful disposition and wasn’t talking about killing people in the ring anymore lollll.
Bronze is exactly where his level is at, just bronze. Good enough boxer ...... But his pro career was managed really well , 70% of his pro fights were against Unranked boxers , or 250th and above , with the WBC pulling most of his mandatories from Planet mars. Ofcourse he had a chance to face serious opposition, like Klitschko , but his manager at the time said He wasn't ready cos they felt he just wasn't good enough yet , at the time wilder was already 33-0 . I mean AJ came in a few years later , and went for Klitschko in like fight number 17 .
People who say wilder lost his punch resistance and punch power in his right hand are coping in my opinion. Wilder simply started fighting better competition in Parker and Zhang and got found out to be well below average.
Despite fighters having more success as they age in recent years, not everyone is in their peak in their mid and late thirties.
But be objective tho...He barley threw any punches that fight recently. Same as Adrian Broner, no volume. Scared Boxing
Wilder was technically awful, how he ever held a belt is baffling
@@j.e3336That's because he was getting countered.
Zhang is a very skilled counter punched. As soon as Wilder threw the first right straight he immediately got countered with Zhang check right hook.
So ofc he'll throw less since Zhang was luring him into counters.
I don’t think he lost his punch resistance, its just that his defence wasn’t tested until he fought Fury and with Big Bang, that had nothing to do with resistance. If you’re spinning like a ballerina in the ring of course you’re getting slept.
His downfall doesn’t need to be studied because it has a real simple explanation. His record was more padded than the room of someone in a mental hospital. Due to this, he was unable to handle actual decent opposition.
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You have to give him a bit more credit, he actually won that first fury fight the ref mis-counted… it’s actually due to his lack of true skill and unorthodox fighting style… it’s unsustainable. One of the most exciting fighters ever, he just never evolved and that’s what lead to his demise
@@ThatSportsGuy_he never won that first fury fight. Anyone with a brain could see fury comfortably won by Decision
@@ThatSportsGuy_that was years ago and the loss ages better each day so I wouldn’t say he was robbed
@@harambe7430he was down on the 10 count, the ref miscounted so He was able to fight on, but he wasn’t supposed to because he was down to the 10 is all I’m saying, so that should’ve been Wilders win
I completely agree. In the end of his career he just fought great boxers with great fundamentals, who would had beaten any version of wilder
I believe wilder when he said “that costume was way too heavy for my legs”. The slightest breeze of wind is too heavy for his legs
You gotta give him credit though; for all his flaws as a fighter, it's crazy how much power those chicken legs can transfer up to his fists.
All his nutrients go to his fist 😂@@Tenchigumi
@@robbiemurda2213 He's like the inverse of Manny Pacquiao in every way: tall with big upper body and tiny lower body, while Manny is short with a relatively small upper body and the calves of a cruiserweight.
@@Tenchigumi in boxing, the power comes from the hips and shoulders, but your calves give you mobility. Wilder was always a plant his feet and swing type of guy. He always neglected mobility
@@Drpepperspray1010 Yeah, strong legs are critical for footwork (Pacman is a good example here too), but a good straight involves quite a bit of the legs, generating power from the entire kinetic chain: pushing up from your feet, to the calves, to the thighs, to the hips, to the shoulders, to the arms, and then sending that energy with the fist.
That said, the muscles involved in generating linear power aren't necessarily those used for things like lateral movement and overall finesse, so I agree that Deontay probably neglected that part of his S&C.
Never shouldve left Mark Breland, simple as that. But he loved the yes men too much
Mark was a yes man to, he was afraid of Wilder, you could see it when he pulled Wilder from the second fight
Mark breland wasnt doin nothin different either yall acting like he was this goat level trainer he let wilder do whatever he wanted
Brelands a dishonest man. I can’t fault wilder for leaving him
Breland would have changed nothing… it was his trash opponents that made him look good… once he started boxing actually talented boxers, that’s when he got EXPOSED… based on how Wilder refused to focus on basics, no trainer in the world would have changed anything…
@@Skitsopaw honestly curious why
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Wilder isn't a boxer, he never was. He was a fighter, and he's lost his fight.
I don't know why people aren't talking about this more lol the man's completed everything he wanted to in life, he's got nothing left for the sport. He wasn't raised in the sport of boxing, and as soon as he achieved his financial goals and faced real adversity it makes total sense that he's not got anything left to give.
Compare to Joshua who - even tho he also came into it late - seems like cares so much more about the sport and sees it as a part of who he is. He may not be the amazing fighter, may not be the best of his generation but he wants to fight to prove something to himself and everyone else. Wilder just isn't that.
@@cogitoy7692 who would you have as the top-tier heavyweight of this generation ?
@@exaggeratedswaggerofablackteen It can only be Usyk
@@exaggeratedswaggerofablackteenObjectively, it has to be Stiverne
Not even a boxer much less a fighter. One leg kick and hes handicapped.
Wilder doesn’t get enough credit for the first Fury fight. It was probably the best display of boxing I’ve seen from him. Even though fury is clearly the superior boxer, Wilder was very strategic in picking his shots. He worked Fury to the corners where he could throw his best shots. Otherwise, a big part of his downfall is his abandonment of his left hook. Id argue at one point, it was equally as devastating as his straight right
A very sound argument 👌 I agree that Wilder did much better in the first fight than he gets credit for.
As much as I hate Wilder and I do think he was a terrible heavyweight with poor poor boxing skills the first Fury fight was actually his best performance in all furnace, you have a good point.
Neither of his hands were ever dangerous, he just knocked out bums lol.
@jboi6398 hey dumbass, there was a Mexican judge, a Canadian judge and a British judge whom scored it a draw. Don’t speak without facts
I was surprised at Wilders skills in the first Fury fight! He actually had fairly good movement, had live legs, was using his jab and looked quick and fast.
he got hit so hard he thought the ref was gonna join the fight too
Bro reverted back to thinking he was getting jumped
I swear none of this would’ve happened if wilder didn’t skip leg day so much
It’s 🧬
It’s not about training legs, he has horrible fighting iq
He’s 6’7 it’s extremely difficult to put on leg mass at that height, and u don’t need muscular legs to generate power.
@@bxdzXo have you seen basketball players?
@@Drpepperspray1010 yes, most basketball players are tall and lanky yet are crazy athletic and can jump high
He should have ended with Helenius. One last KO that summed up his career, then called it good.
In the end, all he came to boxing for was to provide a better life for his daughter and he's achieved that. But as a boxing fan I'm real glad I don't have to pretend to rate him anymore.
I'm afraid that it cost him his health. He's been concussed repeatedly from powerful men.
He wasn't a lifelong athlete or even someone that grew up wanting to box. He was just a big ass dude that knew how to fight and started training. The fact that it took this long for him to start falling off shows you the talent level of heavyweight boxing in my opinion.
It aint no talent boxin is watered down
He has NO CLUE how to fight. Guy cant box a lick much less fight
Now that Usyk is up there we got some
Deontay vs Francis would be a fun match. One last big pay day for Deontay and one last shot to get a win against a high level boxer for Francis.
Tbh he should fight Chisora, and they can both retire afterwards
Most of his losses are to fighters older than him, so the “he aged” arguments don’t really work- he has a losing career record against boxers ranked *literally anywhere*. Take of that what you will
Especially for somebody who “tied Ali’s defenses record”, when you’re doing that by facing fighters that publications say thousand of people worldwide could beat and you’re knocking them out to pad your stats, it’s a pretty questionable ethical dilemma aside from ruining your legacy
Deontay Wilder still had a impressive career and was a fan favorite. He was never truly a good or skillful boxer in the slightest sense yes, but his power and ferocity carried him till he lost his spark in the 3 fights he had with Tyson. Either way rest well champ you accomplished alot and reached heights so many other boxers will ever see, wish we could have saw prime Wilder vs Aj though. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM SQUAAAAAAAAAAAD
BUUUUUUM SQUAD he was shite
Deontay Wilder has another loss in his pro career that was erased from his record and the internet he was koed by a journeyman fighter.
Wilders career was carried by his explosive speed and power, his age and the fury fights have cost him his speed and now he is just food fighting at the elite level. We don’t need Wilder Vs AJ anymore, Wilder doesn’t need to take anymore damage. It’s simply just another potentially iconic fight that we won’t get to see
Athletes who rely on explosive speed need to develop other strengths because explosive speed/agility are always the athletic attributes that decline the earliest.
The Bronze Bomber was first out-boxed by former WBO world HW champion Joseph Parker and then heavilt knocked-out by Zhilei Zhang and eliminated from the top.
How he for years cherry picked easy hittble targets and after con-artist Fury did just the same, they both got handed big defeats.
How Wilder braged the heck out of his power for so many years and have then gotten to taste his own medicine.
So in the short version, Wilder depended on strength and athleticism his entire boxing career, instead of developing his boxing skills, Wilder depended all on knockout power.
That is what lead to his downfall. When Wilder started to decline athletically over time due to age and inactivity, he could not sustain that fighting style which lead to his demise.
Having no foot-work, no stabile guard, no jab punch to talk about, no real defensive skills, not able to box walking back-wards....yeah it was always that big right hand that saved the day.
The Luis Ortiz fights was the perfect example of how that right saved him twice from getting defeated, and the Tyson Fury fights exposed his lack of being able to handle the preassure back-wards.
Wilder was like 100 in attributes and like 25 in skills
It’s good to have fighters like him in any division but these types will always be second to the top class fighters
So much for AJ vs Deontay when he was in his prime now its painfully obvious that AJ would win easily.
Unlike most DW fans, I always told people it was only a matter time… Being a one trick pony in most sports will get you by. But not in boxing. There’s little to no room for error. He had many.
It's not really worth studying... He was a hype job and finally met the elite level. Nothing more than a cash cow cashed in. Modern day Primo Carnera, with more skill.
Sorry but he was never good neither was fury
It was to hype job fighting each other and fury and wilder fought
It's super depressing man, he could have been heavyweight Hearns if he had the right trainer(s).
This is why you don't pad your resume with tomato cans and discount the entire sweet science as if boxing is a punching contest. I feel bad for him in a way but he's only reaping what he sowed for his entire first half of his career. It's borderline suicidal to come at top heavyweights with no gameplan other than "I hit hard so I don't need fundamentals"
You would have to be pretty arrogant to think you're going to beat dudes who worked way harder than you and who have been through way more than you. Respect for your opponent is crucial. Choosing people you know you're going to beat, who you have no respect for, is just weakness on your own part. Then he thought he could treat the top heavyweights with the same disdain and got smoked for it because he doubled down every time.
I did really like him when I first heard of him though, he had insane potential but just never got with a good trainer who would actually teach him shit lmfao
Imagine if he trained under Sugar Hill Steward. That Kronk Style would have benefited him tremendously. 😱
The only thing he had in common with Hearns was power, as a boxer Hearns was light-years better. Deontay was strictly a slugger/puncher.
Goofy ahhh take. Thats completely his own damn fault. it wasn't his trainers who said forget about fundamentals, multiple tried to get him to actually learn how to box and he didn't listen, massive ego. Multiple trainers that have worked with him in the past have said as much.
Can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink and all that.
Hearns ????? You’ve lost your ever loving mind bro. Hearns was an amazing boxer. The only thing they have in common is they are black and similar built. That’s where it ends.
What a joke is to compare Wilder with one of the kings. Especially with the hitman, who was not only very accurate, but also very skilled with the jab and legs.
People not giving Zheing Wang credit, he’s a MONSTER
7:33 Wilder will be just fine. We do not have top tier heavyweights anymore. These heavyweights today are big and tall but don't have the skills of the fighters from the past. Usyk comes close to those heavyweights from the past. I would love to see more Skilled heavyweights.
Its a general rule in combat sports that the heavier the fighter, the less technical the fight. I dont think ANYONE is tuning into a heavyweight fight be it boxing or MMA (There are some exceptions of course) expecting to see the best the sport has to offer. No. The heavyweights are there to swing fists and knock someone out in one shot. Wilder is the perfect embodiment of that.
Do NOT sleep on my man Zhang bros!!!! 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 The real power puncher of the Heavyweights!!!
9:17 this is the biggest thing imo, accountability & not getting complacent can make careers last way longer man, same stuff with Conor
2:00 it's wild how much all three of these guys have fallen from Grace. Even wilder how out of all of them, AJ's stock is probably the highest right now.
It's just really sad that Wilder went out this way.
It's also depressing that he had SOOO MUCHHHH Potential, with the gift of a 1 punch KO. Not everyone has that gift.
Imagine if he was technical and has this amazing power. I'm not sure if we would have a totally different Wilder if he had a better trainer to bring that potential out even after the Fury loss.
It's not sad it's hilarious
Guy said he wanted to kill someone in the ring ...f..k him glad he got exposed as the bum he was
Relied on his right hand, fired the trainer that made him and believed he never needed to learn.
Its a story as old as time unfortunately, it hits explosive and athletic guys the hardest when father time and wear and tear take their toll
He should definitely fight Ngannou next. It's a big and fair fight imo
"An empty victory is a soiled legacy, never shit on your competition."
It was sad when he said Fury had a metal egg in his glove, his costume was too heavy, Fury's gloves were too loose and when Mark Breland poisoned him. After Zhang hit him, he wasn't looking at the ref, he was on queer street. I hope he retires in decent health; it may be the luckiest thing that has ever happened to him.
Your video is a 💯% accurate breakdown of the situation.
It's sad to see that a quality channel like yours could take a dip in views after uploading two videos that went against the popular opinion in MMA.
Seriously people in the MMA community seem to like having only one opinion about things so if someone suggests that the best boxer is Dustin when Max Holloway is trending, or someone even insinuates that Khabib might not be the best Dagestani fighter in the world, then they lose popularity.
He still hits hard as ever,that was never the issue,he moved parker with a slap hook on the backfoot and all. The reason wilder is getitng beat up is a pure skill situation, he just doesnt have what it takes to hang with the pros, power alone got him far but it cant take you to the top.
Nobody thought he was the best heavyweight in the world, only the black people from the hood probably thought it, his first 40 fights where with unranked guys, his first ever PPV was when he fought Tyson Fury and he lost every time. The guy was trash but had insane power. He never learned to box his hole career.
Downfall? Der Mann hat bestimmt über 50 Mio. Dollar... locker...
It happens to most fighters. With a few exceptions like Money Mayweather or Rocky Marciano, most fighters lose their last couple of fights.
Joe chalzage
Long story short:
He was a tank barrel set on a 10 speed.
While he does have padded record, I feel like the fury loss hurt him more than him stepping up in competition. You can just see how broken he was mentally after the second fight, his energy and confidence was never the same after that, and the Joseph Parker fight really put the nail in the coffin. Not to mention that he’s a glass cannon, something that can only get you so far in boxing.
Deontay Wilder was on peds. Early in his career he had a good right hand and got knockdowns with it then he suddenly gained a huge amount of upper body and back muscle and suddenly he became a one punch ko fighter.Now for whatever reason hes back to his old power levels with the right.Zhang never felt any power.
He's got metal pins in his right hand, that's why he punches so hard. Dude is basically using a knuckle duster in every fight. The pins were put in after he had a motorbike accident.
Zhang has an Easter island head
I've said this before and I'll say it again, Wilder was never elite, all he had was a good right hand and nothing else, he chose to cherry pick Fury right after the dude came back from a 3 year lay off and see how that went for him. Anyone that knows how to box will always beat him. And I said it before the reason why he went after AJ verbally was to elevate his own status and build a name for himself, but never wanted any part of that fight actually happening.
“Deontay’s legs were shaking like a stripper” was DIABOLICAL!!!!😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😂😅 😅😂
Sad seeing Wilder like this. Even though he wasn't really a pure boxer, prime Wilder was one of the more entertaining fighters to watch
He has the perfect name, he's a wild puncher with an arrogant attitude with absolutely no skills, that's all
its not downfall we just seing his real level
Respect to him, he fought everyone no matter the weight difference.
Can never blame someone for trying, especially against the best. But man he’s seriously giving up 30-40 pounds in most matches against better technical boxers. That’s hard
I mean, this is kinda how most fighters go out. Its always pretty sad.
I was waiting for you to drop this!
Are you Indian or Mexican? Good breakdown, Wilders mindset was gone after the fury losses
Best heavyweight
Tyson Fury ❌
Wilder ❌
Anthony Joshua ❌
Usyk ☠️🗿
To reiterate what Teddy Atlas said about Mike Tyson, Deontay Wilder was the exact kind of boxer he accused Tyson of being, Wilder was fed tomato cans his entire career and the moment he was in an actual fight, he lost all of them.
He should have one more fight vs Ngannou
Wilder had potential, heart, and killer power. But thats not enough at the top of the division.
Wilder took the easy path, chose the easiest fights possible instead of working his way up and improving his skillset.
It worked fine when he was on top, he got Klitschko out of the WBC rankings so he wouldnt have to get kod by a 40 year old, and he got guys outside the top 50 rankings moved into the top 10 for title defences.
Then he cherry picked Tyson Fury, the lineal champ who had been innactive for years and 400 pounds, seems like an easy fight to gain some valididy.
But it was a cherry pick gone wrong, and he was no longer on top, he couldnt pick his fights and get big cherry-picked opportunities based on image anymore. He had to actually earn his opportunities by defeating real opposition.
He isnt washed, he got found out, if he can get kod by Fury, his chin was never that great to begin with, and hes always been prone to getting confused and doing nothing for rounds when his opponents box decently well.
Now hes facing opponents who are good enough to not accidentally walk into his right hand, and there's nothing he can do to beat them.
I dont think his friendly change is detrimental either, its easy to be mean when you're against guys that are bound to get knocked out, its hard to be mean when you know you're a lamb to the slaughter. That's why guys like Chisora are so respected.
He only ever had a good right hand l, heart and hand speed, he still has those things.
He will be remembered as one of the harders punchers of all time tho. Cant really say that about Fury or AJ.
Wilder is a crazy story how he had so much raw power but never learned to box, hand picked fights throughout his career (like many other boxers) until he ran into Fury. Who was supposed to be an easy fight since he dealt with mental health issues and wasn’t intimidating to look at, but that proved to be the biggest mistake Wilder made. So ironic how that came to bite him in the ass and put his career in a downward spiral.
he went out sad because he was scammed, along with the fans, that he was the real deal.
he's been overrated his entire career.
his best career win was against a 40 year old luis ortiz.
the worst champion resume in the recent his tory.
well, he was better than bermane stiverne i'll give him that imao.
When Deontay Wilder put blame on his entrance gear for his second bout against Tyson Fury as the reason for his defeat, and than the Wilder Delusional fanbase started saying that Fury cheated with his boxing 🥊 , I knew that aura of invincibility that Deontay Wilder once had was absolutely over.... 💯
Wilder vs Ngannou should be next. I think that’d be an interesting fight for both.
Two bums with no skill, slugging it out
@@nashbullet3213 bums? what a keyboard warrior. how adorable.
@@stephencox8723 Did I hurt your feelings princess?
@@nashbullet3213 you still acting tough from behind a screen? 😂
Let’s be clear…
Wilder’s downfall started when he gave Fury his best shot, just to see Fury get up like The Undertaker. Everything about his confidence and his entire aura as a knockout artist vanished at that moment. That’s when he realized what everyone else was saying was true…he should’ve learned to BOX to supplement that power. It was downhill from there.
If I was Wilder, I would retire but I wouldn't stop spamming, I just focus on rebuilding myself physically and mentally. And as soon as I feel Im ready I would come out of retirement and give it one last run. If Zhang at the age of 40 can rise in the ranks, Wilder can comeback. Take two years off out of the two years get six months rest. Spar quality opponents make a comeback at age 41 see what happens.
Boxing is a high technical Sport thats why im still impressed how far he get with ONLY one ability lmao. His strength saved him countless time
It’s only fitting that he falls so quick, I mean he had a quicker rise to the top of boxing than almost anyone. He started training waaaaay later than everyone else, got a bronze medal, and then catapulted to the top of the sport.
WBC protection scheme was his insurance which eventually expired
Man looked to tag the ref in like he was in the WCW because at that point, he didn't know the WWE was a thing.
Him vs Ngannou in a fight of the hardest punchers would be a good retirement fight.
It's simple and evident. Not training on his legs is what destroyed DW. He stood on business, only with pencil legs.
A lot of people like to pin Wilder's downfall on the idea that Tyson Fury took his soul in their trilogy, but that argument falls flat when guys like AJ, Daniel Dubois and Joseph Parker have came back and rebuilt themselves after their losses. Truth is, Wilder was always a bang average boxer who was brilliantly managed and sold to the public. His legacy is that he'll be known as the ultimate can-crusher who never beat any top heavyweight of his era.
I remember back Joshua vs Wilder was considered the biggest fight to make.
conor mcgregor downfall video next
There is no "downfall of Deontay Wilder," actually. He is a multi, multi, MULTI millionaire, living his best life. He & his family never have to worry about $$ ever again.
This video should be titled: "The unfathomably wonderful blessings of the Wilder Family!"
The issue is he tried to change fundamentals that are ingrained in him. He's 16 years and 40+ fights deep. He needs to realize that he is what he is. Spend the entire fight using his length, athleticism and set up the right hand. If he's not capable of that anymore, he needs to retire.
it's neither sad nor depressing, it's what was totally expected considering the list of fighters he fought.
The downfall of Wilder is eerily similar to the downfall of Ronda Rousey. One trick ponies whose trick got them to the top of the world.
And for that reason, grew to believe their own hype before meeting their match who'd initially expose them.
Got rocked but didn't bother acknowledging the opponent OR improving on their own game, so they kept floating around the top before getting beat down once more.
Deontay can easily return even with losses.
He's no longer considered impossible to defeat, which only makes him a target and potential for anyone interested in fighting him.
As long as he wants to accept fights, we will see him in the future.
Look I ain't no rat fan who turns their backs when a fighter starts to lose, The Bronze Bomber era was some of the most exciting times in boxing, and I will miss it. Thank you Deontay Wilder
Man honestly the last 5 wilder fights were so sad man. He was arguably the best heavy weight then fury ruined his career. Crazy
It's not easy for most fighters to evolve their fighting style. If you trained the same way for so many years, your body becomes accustomed to it. Wilder did attempt to use the jap against Fury, especially in the 3rd right, but as the fight progressed, he resorted to his default style. Wilder just had one punch (right cross or hook).
good video and all, buuuuuut not enough draft king mentions :/
Uhhh, Wilder getting to the heights he reached with his background and the adversity he has facdd and overcome is the amazing part that needs to be studied.
Didn't box in his youth, only picked it up while in jail and became a world champion. Dude was born with all the genetics you could want for a Boxer. He/his trainer's developed his style around those gifts of height, reach, and power. He didn't grow up boxing like Fury, if he had maybe we might have seen an undisputed GOAT. I mean, imagine Tyson Fury with Wilder's power? Unstoppable.
😂😂
There isn't a single boxer in history that was the same fighter after getting knocked out as they were before. A brutal knockout causes TBI.
People overlook the fact his warrior nature got robbed by psychedelics.
cope
He didn't start taking that untill after the fury losses
Do you think he'll go for the Ngannou fight now?
The sad and depressing thing is that so many people thought wilder was any good.
After Wilder v Fury 3, neither fighter was the same.
love watching wilder fight, but the fact is he wasn't a good enough boxer to stay at that level, he had a padded record and when he fought someone decent he lost, you don't see too many professional boxers load up wild punches like wilder does,
I'll always respect him after what he said about Colon
Sad and depressing? I don't find this depressing at all. This is a typical boxer story. When you get to the top, you lose the "edge" and you ain't hungry no more. Then you fall...Deontay is a one punch wonder.
This video is a fanboy crying over an average boxer...
I just cant believe he got as far as he did with one punch, i think he should stop fighting now before he get seriously hurt...
The description is not accurate. It's neither sad nor a downfall. He was never really at the top but simply put there. He just got exposed badly. By contrast, Ali's retirement was sad because he had always fought the best and he showed his heart to the end. He remained standing after being pummelled for 10 rounds by Larry Holmes. He was a true champion and hero. His last hurrah was tear jerking and remains so today. Like night and day compared with Wilder.
He started boxing late for one but never really fought proper opposition till later in his career. He’s inability to actually box led him to the 4 losses. Never rated him one bit.
Deontay was attached unfairly by people like you. The top guys never fought him out of fear.