Christian Non-Duality and Unity Consciousness
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- This video of Thomas Keating is freely offered for use in the 3/21/2020 United in Prayer Day of Contemplative Outreach, "Healing Divisions." Includes Spanish subtitles. For info on this day of prayer, go to www.contemplat....
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So many Christians who believe we are missing something, that Christ has some big surprise or gift waiting. When all along the gift is right before us.
This was an eye and heart opener for me. It makes me aware that God has been preparing me for this after decades of falling. What wonderful teaching of non duality which now I can begin to practice and be open to the Father as an pty container ready to be moved by his will
Thank you Fr
Keating!
Doesn’t this just make you want to do yoga and reiki , and practice Hinduism and Zen Buddhism etc.
And embrace all religions as one religion.
Gloria in Excelsis Deo!
One is the core of our faith both from the Jewish tradition that states that God is One and through Our Lord Jesus Christ that taught us communion, in essence, we are One in Him as He is One with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Thank you Fr Thomas
Doesn’t this just make you want to do yoga and reiki , and practice Hinduism and Zen Buddhism etc.
And embrace all religions as one religion.
I am so Glad that the Advaita Vedantic thought is finding expression in new places ... we are all just one Quantum field
@@pdigrazi People encounter that oneness and describe it many ways -- The Hindu version of Nonduality ( Advaita vedanta) is just one way of describing the ultimate reality -- but the amazing thing about the vedas is that they recognize that the 'expressions of the reality' can take on many forms. Ekam satvipra bahuda vadanti ( The truth is one - but the wise call it by many names )
We can use the world around us to validate /rework our understanding. Even 'consciousness/awareness/existence' are just words -- We have to work out the experiential meanings out for ourselves.
It goes beyond from " knowing is believing" to "knowing is being" --- you live out your life by truths you have uncovered for yourselves.
It is movement from the robotic to the deliberate, contemplative, experiential religion that I am cheering on -- Whether you identify with an impersonal reality or a personal God like Jesus or Krishna or Kali is a matter of personal choice/inclination/understanding --- but we are all tasting the same sugar
I don't think that any religious tradition has a claim on non-duality or any other perennial truths. Gnostics, Neo-Platonists, Jewish Kabbalists, Christian Mystics, etc. have been speaking for thousands of years about these same things Vedanta and Buddhism and Taoism have. Some say "Godhead" and some say "Tao" and some say "Emptiness" and some say "The One" and so forth, but they are pointing to the same realities.
@@williamkoscielniak7871i dont think any of the abrahamic religion has explained them in as much details as the hindus have done
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Hinduism is a man made religion like all eastern mysticism full of half truths fairytales and legends and myths
God said to Jeremiah the prophet in the first chapter of the book of Jeremiah that he knew Jeremiah (consciousness) before he was in his mother's belly (body). God said to Jeremiah (consciousness) "Before I formed you in the womb I set you apart." (set him apart from the one, from the whole) and God said, "You must go to everyone I send you to, and you will speak whatever I command you." God is telling Jeremiah that Jeremiah (consciousness) will go to "whom he is sent (body) and he will speak the words God commands him to (shared consciousness). God told Jeremiah that the words that come from Jeremiah's mouth belong to God (shared consciousness), Jeremiah said. "And the LORD said to me, “Behold, I have put my words in your mouth." and the Lord then said, "Do not be afraid of the looks on their faces for I am with you beside you."
You beautiful man didn't expect too many Christians to hit on it so accurately, his love and the trinity expressed correctly is truth I wish the faith wasn't so corruptible
Doesn’t this just make you want to do yoga and reiki , and practice Hinduism and Zen Buddhism etc.
And embrace all religions as one religion.
Peace to the world.
For me, the phrase "Oneness dwelling within us" unintentionally denotes duality. For example: Oneness being one entity and us the other entity, one dwelling inside the other sounds like two. I know that phrase does not mean to imply duality.
We all love you and miss you
Doesn’t this just make you want to do yoga and reiki , and practice Hinduism and Zen Buddhism etc.
And embrace all religions as one religion.
Am I right to understand , from what was said here, that the Christian mystic conceives that God is ‘oneness’ which infuses all creation, including humans. But, unlike orthodox non dual ‘suggestions’ there is still a duality in that we are still separate persons outside the Trinity? This Christian view does not seem to regard creation as a dream-like state where men and ‘egos’ are unreal fictions . Also, how does man as ‘sinner in need of salvation’ fit with the idea that our true nature is infinite perfection already?
are egos not creation to you?
Man, ego, and the visible world is ultimately unreal by definition. If God is infinite, then *nothing* can be outside of God - meaning that this reality we experience is just an appearance, like a mirage. So ultimately it's implied, even if Christian language traditionally hasn't used the dream analogy
So do God the Father and God the Son cease being Father and Son? If they are relegated to mere modes, it sounds more like modalism or monism, both contrary to orthodox Christianity, and contrary to common sense. The true self cannot be an illusion even if the false self can, but neither can the true self be so indistinguishable from the Other that is God that it ceases to be. I’ve been practicing Centering Prayer for years and find effective dealing with the false self in Keating’s work. Non-duality in my understanding as it is worded smacks of monism which my trinitarian faith does not believe in. I may be misunderstanding the term as it is being used … or not. EDIT: upon further reading, Keating clarifies regularly that we are not God in the absolute sense. It’s too easy to take non-duality out of context.
Doesn’t this just make you want to do yoga and reiki , and practice Hinduism and Zen Buddhism etc.
And embrace all religions as one religion.
Great
Doesn’t this just make you want to do yoga and reiki , and practice Hinduism and Zen Buddhism etc.
And embrace all religions as one religion.
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WE MUST ALL REALIZE THE KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS WITHIN
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it can't be non duality if you add Christian in it :) Its comes from India but we don't call it hindu non-duality :)
I wish I could have met you.
Doesn’t this just make you want to do yoga and reiki , and practice Hinduism and Zen Buddhism etc.
And embrace all religions as one religion.
I'm still trying to understand why symbols and concepts such as "trinity", "God", "Holy Spirit", and "Christ" are still in need of holding onto. After all, isn't this just a continuation of the ego?
It's a language. All religions have a set of symbols that are used to point to something beyond the symbols. I mean, if "God", "Holy Spirit", "Christ", etc. are merely continuations of ego, then why would that be any less true of Hindu or Buddhist concepts? Is Brahman or Annata or Atman or Samsara or Karma somehow superior words to God or Christ or Trinity or Sin or Heaven or Hell?
@@williamkoscielniak7871 Yeah, I think you're right. Good point.
Nondualism is the continuation of the ego, the very thought that one can "become God" essentially. That's hubris and why Lucifer fell.
@@shadowbody I think you might be misunderstanding this.
@@dorinamary7863 Only God himself can claim nonduality, not humans.
Was reading about when Yahweh became God and Judaism evolved from being a tribal deity to being the divine -- all powerful creator of everything. The Hindus and what Christians call the pagans revere gods who are not the creator god. The original source of Shiva, Vishnu and the Olympian gods lies in the background somewhere. It was the jews who first started worshipping a creator, apparently.
Ok cross hanging man worshiper 🤡
Is this catholic Christian with non duality
Doesn’t this just make you want to do yoga and reiki , and practice Hinduism and Zen Buddhism etc.
And embrace all religions as one religion.
Doesn’t this just make you want to do yoga and reiki , and practice Hinduism and Zen Buddhism etc.
And embrace all religions as one religion.
If you didn’t get the point, I’m being sarcastic 🙂
Add sufism too ... we are all one organism ..
No. Just as your father is your father alone, religion is a deeply personal matter; different ways of conceptualizing and practicing will resonate with different people. Your own father is dear to you, and the fathers of others not as much; and yet everyone holds their own father to be dear. Religion is the same way. There are many paths up a mountain, and the paths themselves cannot be said to be the same -- but, understood correctly, without meandering or getting lost, all lead to the same mountain peak.
@@martinmartin1363I do not disagree that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life... but I think we do not agree on what that exactly means. It is alright. To each his own
@@martinmartin1363 the whole idea of Christianity is that Jesus is a human sacrifice. You see, you can criticize a ritual all you like, but the core of the "mysticism" you speak of is a philosophy, an analysis of experience; the Buddha too severely criticized such violent rituals, and He is an example par excellence of "eastern mysticism". If you can genuinely find faults in the analysis of the Buddha, or of the Vedantins, I would love to hear it. But that would require genuine seeking on your part, testing the teachings through your own experience; not merely a fault-finding mission in order to establish your own view as right.
@@hiteshkumar4728
Did Buddha sacrifice himself for for sin of course not , like all man made gods they are created of sin, the sacrifice to the gods of eastern mysticism is to appease them and for their benefit or they seek vengeance.
The Jewish God the God of Christianity is an uncreated God the great l am who l am , a trinitarian God one God but 3 the father the son and the immaculate conception the Holy Spirit, the love of the father and son is a perfect love , and from that love the Holy Spirit proceeds and creates everything in his love and perfectly, but due to the sin of Adam and Eve everything must die and this world belongs to Satan and his minions and eastern mysticism and just like the devil they are full of half truths, and nothing can enter until it is perfect, the sacrifice of animals in the Old Testament is for sin for the loss of innocence , but still no man can enter heaven because one man condemned mankind to death and so only the death of a perfect man can restore what is lost, and so the son the word of God prophesied through the prophets and laid down his laws in the Torah, and told his people Israel that he would come to sacrifice himself a perfect sacrifice for the salvation of mankind so we may enter heaven again through him, through the Eucharist through the sacraments and this is out of love for his creation and not like the created gods of eastern mysticism to appease them and for their benefit, cruel man made gods full of half truths unlike Jesus who is God and the fullness of the truth.
Ciencie IS demostraiting this reality , of non duality -unity, your are talking ;)
Jaat me Jot Jot me Jaata
Advaita Vedanta - over 3800 years ago the Vedic era Hindus came up with a theory that explains/understands the nature of reality, And non-duality is nothing but an english translation of Advaita. If you want to understand non duality, seek Advaita Vedanta in Hinduism. There is no Christian non-duality or a Islamic non duality or an atheistic non duality. You want to learn about non-duality - start with "Atma Vichara" or self-enquiry into WHO AM I the Ramana Maharishi's way or Adi Shankara's way and you will learn about Non-duality. If you want to listen to an lecture on avacado by someone that's never heard of or tasted or seen an avacado then read or listen to Christian or Islamic teachings on something that is not non duality but is fashioned, shaped and served as non-duality just to get you into their fold. The Abrahamic religions are all about an external god - who is separate from the self. This is the core doctrine of all Abrahamic religions. This is the opposite of non-duality. Some well meaning folks interpret the biblical writings as non-duality. This is bogus non-duality. I can confidently state that self-enquiry is the far superior method to understanding and experiencing non-duality. It helps if you read up and understand what non-dualism or Advaita is all about before you practice self-enquiry. The Question "WHO AM I" will lead you to a hundred other questions..each one is a precious thought by itself. When you can confidently say "Aham Brahmasmi" or "I am Brahman". You have experienced Brahman. or in other words You have understood and experienced Advaita or non-duality.
You say "there is no Christian duality or Islamic non-duality", you are correct, because non-duality is the very nature of Being, the very nature of Existence and does not depend on any religion or spiritual tradition. Thus, there is also no Hindu duality. Likewise, meditation is our own nature, there are Hindu, Buddhist and Christian techniques, but meditation itself is not a technique. If a Christian or Muslim speaks of non-duality, his non-duality is no more true or false than the non-duality taught by a Hindu. There are enlightened people of all religions. Yes, Abrahamic religions are more focused for an external conception of God, in a personal relationship with God, just as many Hindus do with Rama, Krishna, Shiva or Kali. Ramana Maharshi never said that he was the only bearer of non-duality, and he himself taught that his teachings are not necessarily Hinduism, but something much more universal. This is because self-enquiry is a skill proper to human nature. He even said that his greatest teaching was silence. Is there a Hindu silence or a Christian silence? No. Just as there is no Hindu soul or Christian soul, Hindu God or Christian God. Advaita Vedanta himself teaches that Brahman is the only reality, the only one, not the Hindu reality. Yes, we have to appreciate and recognize that the Hindu tradition is much older than any other. Meditation and non-dual perception first emerged in Hinduism than in other traditions and that is why we should be happy when a Christian or a Muslim, through Hindu teachings, begins to perceive more clearly the deeper teachings of their own religions, including non-duality. Religion is a living phenomenon that is constantly changing, always undergoing updating and reframing. Many teachings of Christ are being understood in their deepest meaning only today, and often Eastern traditions are a mirror through which many Christians are better discovering their own religion, and more than that, that spirituality transcends any barrier of religion, race, ethnicity, caste, gender, sexual orientation or social class. Sorry for grammatical errors, I'm Brazilian.
@@miguelcoli3175 well said. Thank you for your offering
@@miguelcoli3175 perfect attitide. Tkank You brother, for speaking out the Truth, in which we ALL are immersed, whatever we think, whatever we call our spirit path.
@@speace11 u
Doesn’t this just make you want to do yoga and reiki , and practice Hinduism and Zen Buddhism etc.
And embrace all religions as one religion.
Sorry mate, there's no "Christian" or "non-Christian" non-duality. Not 2 means not 2. End of the narrative.
He is using Christian symbolism to point to non-duality, just as Buddhists and Taoists and Hindu's use their particular set of symbols to point to non-duality. "Not 2 means not 2" is a perfectly fine statement, but to then follow it up with "End of the narrative" is to put a limit on the various different ways one can attempt to point to non-duality.
God said to Jeremiah the prophet in the first chapter of the book of Jeremiah that he knew Jeremiah (consciousness) before he was in his mother's belly (body). God said to Jeremiah (consciousness) "Before I formed you in the womb I set you apart." (set him apart from the one, from the whole) and God said, "You must go to everyone I send you to, and you will speak whatever I command you." God is telling Jeremiah that Jeremiah (consciousness) will go to "whom he is sent (body) and he will speak the words God commands him to (shared consciousness). God told Jeremiah that the words that come from Jeremiah's mouth belong to God (shared consciousness), Jeremiah said. "And the LORD said to me, “Behold, I have put my words in your mouth." and the Lord then said, "Do not be afraid of the looks on their faces for I am with you beside you."
This is what i call a manipulation of scripture we are NOT God we are just the expressive energy of God. Human were are the pinnacle of the expression as you know we failed to reflect that cause there cannot be two Gods however God wants to enter creation as the first and the last through Jesus. Every mystic talks like this man their concept is this man is/becoming God/divine spark. We derive from the one not we are the one, there's is only one who is the one because there is only one Jesus The Christ. He forgets the book of revelation "glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its (pay attention to this part) LAMP." (Revel 21:23) Remember this is not John's revelation it is Jesus's Revelation. Through Jesus we are forgiven and made perfect to Express the image of God perfectly not to become God Jesus already has that. Don't listen to this guy he doesn't know.
Our true essence transcends any concept of a God. All is one.
MrJamesdryable our true expression can only be perfected in Jesus the Christ, human essence is dark not light. God has spoken for himself through all religions cause all religions have this Gospel that God will send a savior. Don’t confuse the renewing of your “I” through the knowing of truth, that truth is separate from you, you didn’t find it it found you. God draw all men to him.
@@brennen107 This isn't a game, Joe. We aren't playing characters in some narrative written by an all powerful being called Yahweh. Spirituality is much deeper and richer than any one religion and you're going to miss it if you keep your head buried in Christianity. What do you think Jesus was talking about when he said things like "The kingdom of God is within YOU."
"Then you will know I am one with the Father. You will know YOU are one with me, and I am ONE with you."
"I and the Father are ONE." He wasn't talking about just himself! I'm sorry to remind you but you are in fact God controlling a body called Joe, and it would be a shame if you left this place having never remembered who you really are.
@@MrJamesdryable I agree and came to this insight myself also after studying eastern religions. But the bible states clearly that we need a sacrifice for our sin, and that Jesus came to set us free from that. Other religions or philosophies say that only you can set yourself free. Would like to hear your thoughts on that.
@@datnamethough7950 You're already free.
yall think we evolved from monkeys. lol!!
There is nothing Christian about this gnostic heresy.
@Shawn Blake I think you still might have a lot of reading to do on this subject. When you really dig into church history and the evolution of doctrine and theology, this all tracks beautifully. Our western minds still have a lot of superstitious baggage to jettison.
When you say "Christian", which of the tens of thousands of variations are you referring to? After all, "heresy" is just the othering of different perspectives and wisdom traditions. May I politely suggest reading some books by Aldous Huxley, Alan Watts, Thich Nhat Hanh, Joseph Campbell, Lao Tzu, Augustine, St. Dionysius, Pseudo-Areopagite, etc. You may find a bigger perspective, I know I certainly have.
@@vectorstain I've read most of that garbage already. I've been on a long journey, sonny boy. A bigger perspective is not always a better perspective. The difference between you and me, is I've probably done more research on it than you have, which is why I have my current position
@@christopherlees1134 Ah, then I humbly bow to your majestic hubris. May your journey continue in peace.
@@vectorstain Take a look in the mirror.
Another stolen concept. Masters of plagiarism
manpreet Samra stolen from what?
Such understanding transcends all religious belief and doctrine. It cannot therefore be plagiarized.
It's not a concept that can be stolen, it's only a reality that can be apprehended.
Not in Organized religions I guess. I would totally believe it is transcended if experienced by a pagan or aboriginal.
manpreet Samra - labels, attachment.