It looks quite rural there, so probably less chance of scrotes vandalising them. There are plenty of well-secured yards that get vandalised on a regular basis, and then when someone gets hurt the yard has the finger of blame pointed at them for not being even more secure 🤯🤯
Why are the Merseyrail units there? Merseyrail have been crowing about replacing the 507/8s for ages yet they still haven't taken delivery of these units. As for the training issues etc., units of various types have been stored pending going into service at places such as Crewe whilst others linger for months (years) at Donnington (Shropshire). Drivers of Merseyrail trains have been driving the new units for a good while now - how much more training do they need? If the units are unreliable, why don't the TOCs label them as "not fit for the purpose" and get them sent back to the engineering companies that built them (if necessary via the ROSCO)? That's what they should have done with the Trans Pennine rolling stock - sent them back to the Spanish Manufacturers.
Because only so many units can be accommodated at Kirkdale while the the remaining 507s are still on site. They'll be returning to Merseryrail in the next 8-12 weeks. I believe all these have been commissioned and are basically ready to enter service.
As Alstom are continuing on the mass production of the Class 701 South Western Railway Arterio units. Alstom themselves are at risk of losing so many jobs at its Litchurch Lane train plant in Derby as what I saw and heard about. Which could be a massive blow to the railway industry in the UK.
Mk5 Sets stored having been withdrawn from TPE. Class 701s still undergoing testing. MerseyRail stock still undergoing testing and I believe having reliability issues. It's really simple, the trains are there because there isn't any space for them at their home depots.
My partners friend is a driver at mersey rail and there are driver training issues on new trains and brand new trains didnt pass reliability trials .trains built in diffrent countries were done with diffrent voltages and dont work together.
no it isn’t. The Southport line only has a few running as the platforms can’t take 8 car sets. Typical privatised railway as the line was shut for ages to make the platforms the correct height for step free access. Merseyrail boss must be so proud that nobody bothered the measure the platforms at Southport that are too short for 8 car sets and, it’s only been that way since the 1960’s when the original station building were demolished and shops built reducing the space available for platforms. The platforms can’t be extended as then they would foul the points at the end of them.
Southport line only has 2/3 diagrams that are 507 now. Most Platforms bar southport have been extended for the 777s now. Southport is in the process of being extended for 8 car operation.@@stevenmoran4060
@@stevenmoran4060The railway was built originally by private finance, it was only nationalised for less than 50 years and renationalising isn’t the panacea you want.
@stevenmoran4060 you are talking about one station, Southport. All other stations have been extended. Southport is currently being extended. A consideration for planningis needed. It is also worth noting that 777s are operating on the Southport line as 8 cars.
Another lovely video well done great camera work as usual I am really looking forward to seeing your next video I hope you get a nice video next time also when is your next video going to be on RUclips bye for now Philip
I am guessing that some of these are fully servicable units stored due to nit complying with current regulations for disability access. If the legislation changes the rail companies are exoected to buy new rolling stock. Hardly surprising that train travel is so expensive. I expect they will be sold to 'less enlightened' countries who are OK with lower standards than those of the 'great and the good' and the british travelling public will continue to pay through the nose for new trains
Almost everything you see here minus the XC MK3s, the 319/769s and those 458 coaches (which are all compatible) is brand new. Those 153s may be the only non-compatible thing here
This is what over-regulation and unnecessary bureaucracy providing non-jobs does. If the 20% in non-jobs were redeployed into productive sectors of the economy, energy was cheap by scrapping Net Zero etc, taxes reduced, the economy would be booming. However, it is very hard to have a man understand something when his job relies on him not understanding it, to paraphrase a line.
All down to computer says no. most units here have had problems with computers not working when 2 units are coupled together. some of the units were built in different countries and they used different versions of hard/soft ware.
Total waste of resources that could be used on the network to reduce overcrowding. If the issues are due to unreliability, then let's start making our own trains once again. Got to be cheaper in the long run and provide much needed employment. To political probaly. We need to start doing things for ourselves one more. What a state our railway is in through buying foreign, country also. 😢
....but...but don't you understand....THIS IS the Promised Land...the Sunny Uplands...the Unrestrained and Free UK, FREE from the shackles of the awful EU, Look How RICH WE ALL ARE....Look how we beat the world at everything...THIS IS YOUR TORY PARADISE after 14 years of hard work.....
For one the bulk of what is stored here are SWR Class 701s which are made in .. oh yes the UK! They are Derby built by SWR (thanks in part to the DfT) have not resolved the Union problems, hence why they are not in service. Take the DfT out of railways and things would change.
I have family that live near there. I remember when it used to be mk1 and mk2 (and older) carriages and rusted hulks of well used locomotives. Now look!
The railways in Britain have officially crumbled - what are the chances that TPE get more unreliable rubbish to replace the mk5s and replace them after literally 3 years
The 769s are ex Transport For Wales stock. They were only a temporary solution and are no longer required. No great loss to be honest with you, they were crap.
@@StettafireMost of the cspacity trouble in South Wales is due to tfw off hiring a fleet of class 175s too early and also they have several class 231s which cannot be used yet as they are electric only and not tri-mode😂
The manufacturer is delivering faster than they can be taken into service, each unit has to complete so many hours fault free testing before acceptance and in some cases the infrastructure on the line isn’t ready for them, the power systems need to be upgraded, they are coming into service but slowly
Some of it is the faulty, withdrawn ‘cheap as f@@k’ TpE stock I believe, that have been replaced by the bi mode units, and need quite major work that is not financially viable, as only really TfW and the Cotswolds use push pull, again once funds allow, these will be replaced by IET type units at some point. They were basically a stop gap solution, and before long even the Voyager class and Avanti’s Pendalinos will be withdrawn awaiting the trip to Sims, EMR or Booths. Once the TP route is under knitting, more diesel stock will be ‘in store’.
CAF stock has problems, but TPE has more trains than it needs for the post Covid timetable - the Mk5s were withdrawn because the DfT wanted to reduce costs. "TfW and the Cotswolds use push-pull".. no idea what you're talking about here, but neither uses push pull. The 769s were a bi-mode stop gap that did not properly work but was converted old redundant stock for a new use. As for your comment about Voyager and Pendolino's going to the scrapyard, not for a number of years, but bear in mind the first of the Voyager fleet is 25 years old this year, and the first of the Pendolino's are 22 years old.
At least they're secure and not getting covered in graffiti, that will cost more to clean off...
It looks quite rural there, so probably less chance of scrotes vandalising them. There are plenty of well-secured yards that get vandalised on a regular basis, and then when someone gets hurt the yard has the finger of blame pointed at them for not being even more secure 🤯🤯
Speaking for the owner of the yard, this is good business😂
Why are the Merseyrail units there? Merseyrail have been crowing about replacing the 507/8s for ages yet they still haven't taken delivery of these units. As for the training issues etc., units of various types have been stored pending going into service at places such as Crewe whilst others linger for months (years) at Donnington (Shropshire). Drivers of Merseyrail trains have been driving the new units for a good while now - how much more training do they need? If the units are unreliable, why don't the TOCs label them as "not fit for the purpose" and get them sent back to the engineering companies that built them (if necessary via the ROSCO)? That's what they should have done with the Trans Pennine rolling stock - sent them back to the Spanish Manufacturers.
They must be subbing them in one for one if they're sitting in Worcestershire currently.
Because only so many units can be accommodated at Kirkdale while the the remaining 507s are still on site. They'll be returning to Merseryrail in the next 8-12 weeks. I believe all these have been commissioned and are basically ready to enter service.
As Alstom are continuing on the mass production of the Class 701 South Western Railway Arterio units. Alstom themselves are at risk of losing so many jobs at its Litchurch Lane train plant in Derby as what I saw and heard about. Which could be a massive blow to the railway industry in the UK.
Mk5 Sets stored having been withdrawn from TPE.
Class 701s still undergoing testing.
MerseyRail stock still undergoing testing and I believe having reliability issues.
It's really simple, the trains are there because there isn't any space for them at their home depots.
My partners friend is a driver at mersey rail and there are driver training issues on new trains and brand new trains didnt pass reliability trials .trains built in diffrent countries were done with diffrent voltages and dont work together.
Are you sure? As merseyrails in service fleet is now 90% class 777s
no it isn’t. The Southport line only has a few running as the platforms can’t take 8 car sets.
Typical privatised railway as the line was shut for ages to make the platforms the correct height for step free access. Merseyrail boss must be so proud that nobody bothered the measure the platforms at Southport that are too short for 8 car sets and, it’s only been that way since the 1960’s when the original station building were demolished and shops built reducing the space available for platforms. The platforms can’t be extended as then they would foul the points at the end of them.
Southport line only has 2/3 diagrams that are 507 now. Most Platforms bar southport have been extended for the 777s now. Southport is in the process of being extended for 8 car operation.@@stevenmoran4060
@@stevenmoran4060The railway was built originally by private finance, it was only nationalised for less than 50 years and renationalising isn’t the panacea you want.
@stevenmoran4060 you are talking about one station, Southport. All other stations have been extended. Southport is currently being extended. A consideration for planningis needed. It is also worth noting that 777s are operating on the Southport line as 8 cars.
Another lovely video well done great camera work as usual I am really looking forward to seeing your next video I hope you get a nice video next time also when is your next video going to be on RUclips bye for now Philip
Great video and Crossing 👍
No need to worry about it they’ll be selling them along with the HST’s 🙄
Hi there, I would love to use these trains to shoot a music video and want to seek permission. Would you have any idea who I could contact for this?
It won’t take long for deterioration to set in being stored in the open like that.
As a classic car enthusiast, you'll be surprised how long it takes for things to degrade (unless it's coastal. Sea salt is awful stuff)
I am guessing that some of these are fully servicable units stored due to nit complying with current regulations for disability access. If the legislation changes the rail companies are exoected to buy new rolling stock. Hardly surprising that train travel is so expensive. I expect they will be sold to 'less enlightened' countries who are OK with lower standards than those of the 'great and the good' and the british travelling public will continue to pay through the nose for new trains
Almost everything you see here minus the XC MK3s, the 319/769s and those 458 coaches (which are all compatible) is brand new. Those 153s may be the only non-compatible thing here
No...
This is what over-regulation and unnecessary bureaucracy providing non-jobs does. If the 20% in non-jobs were redeployed into productive sectors of the economy, energy was cheap by scrapping Net Zero etc, taxes reduced, the economy would be booming. However, it is very hard to have a man understand something when his job relies on him not understanding it, to paraphrase a line.
So many newish trains stored & unused & we have a shortage of rolling stock 🤔 Doesn't make sense at all 🤔 A waste of money 🤔 Why Why Why? 😤
Capitalist efficiency 🙄
@@caramelldansen2204 more likely bad government involvement.
Tax Write-off. Don't worry too much the shareholders will be fine....
Rolling stock =/= locos
All down to computer says no. most units here have had problems with computers not working when 2 units are coupled together. some of the units were built in different countries and they used different versions of hard/soft ware.
Get yourself to Barry and see the 756s rotting in the sea air.
Well one of those in the thumbnail is one of the trains being sent off to Merseyrail so not really "wasted"
Total waste of resources that could be used on the network to reduce overcrowding.
If the issues are due to unreliability, then let's start making our own trains once again. Got to be cheaper in the long run and provide much needed employment. To political probaly. We need to start doing things for ourselves one more.
What a state our railway is in through buying foreign, country also. 😢
....but...but don't you understand....THIS IS the Promised Land...the Sunny Uplands...the Unrestrained and Free UK, FREE from the shackles of the awful EU, Look How RICH WE ALL ARE....Look how we beat the world at everything...THIS IS YOUR TORY PARADISE after 14 years of hard work.....
For one the bulk of what is stored here are SWR Class 701s which are made in .. oh yes the UK! They are Derby built by SWR (thanks in part to the DfT) have not resolved the Union problems, hence why they are not in service. Take the DfT out of railways and things would change.
We're those 319s in the second half?
769
Are you?
What the deal with the 458 stock and is the 158 the Salisbury crash one
The 458s are ex-460 carriages which are being taken out of the 458/5s after conversion to 458/4
I have family that live near there. I remember when it used to be mk1 and mk2 (and older) carriages and rusted hulks of well used locomotives. Now look!
The railways in Britain have officially crumbled - what are the chances that TPE get more unreliable rubbish to replace the mk5s and replace them after literally 3 years
The 769s are ex Transport For Wales stock. They were only a temporary solution and are no longer required. No great loss to be honest with you, they were crap.
Were these the ones that were deemed unsafe? Some trains were removed from the borderlands line for that reason
But TFW DOES need more trains. Neither the Cardiff line nor the NWales lines have ran properly since well before COVID. Both overcrowded
Northern wouldn’t mind having extra Class 769s from TfW.
@@StettafireMost of the cspacity trouble in South Wales is due to tfw off hiring a fleet of class 175s too early and also they have several class 231s which cannot be used yet as they are electric only and not tri-mode😂
@@StettafireI'm not sure. These were very unreliable.
why are the 777s and 701s stored?
The manufacturer is delivering faster than they can be taken into service, each unit has to complete so many hours fault free testing before acceptance and in some cases the infrastructure on the line isn’t ready for them, the power systems need to be upgraded, they are coming into service but slowly
Both had reliability issues 701s came out 2019 still only 2 in service 777s have had problems the mayor of Liverpool has gone mad with merseyrail.❤❤
I suppose the video is meant to have music? Not normally one of your videos are this quiet
Wonder how much of those involve taxpayers' money and how much do not
Some of it is the faulty, withdrawn ‘cheap as f@@k’ TpE stock I believe, that have been replaced by the bi mode units, and need quite major work that is not financially viable, as only really TfW and the Cotswolds use push pull, again once funds allow, these will be replaced by IET type units at some point. They were basically a stop gap solution, and before long even the Voyager class and Avanti’s Pendalinos will be withdrawn awaiting the trip to Sims, EMR or Booths. Once the TP route is under knitting, more diesel stock will be ‘in store’.
IEP won't happen for TFW unfortunately. Been deemed uneconomical, dispite the entire rest of the UK stating otherwise...
CAF stock has problems, but TPE has more trains than it needs for the post Covid timetable - the Mk5s were withdrawn because the DfT wanted to reduce costs. "TfW and the Cotswolds use push-pull".. no idea what you're talking about here, but neither uses push pull. The 769s were a bi-mode stop gap that did not properly work but was converted old redundant stock for a new use. As for your comment about Voyager and Pendolino's going to the scrapyard, not for a number of years, but bear in mind the first of the Voyager fleet is 25 years old this year, and the first of the Pendolino's are 22 years old.
It’s a shame to see good working trains put into storage
There mostly aventras 😂
why arent merseyrail getting rid of 507 if they can?
Such A Waste Indeed But At Least They Have Their New Home There