As a Bills fan Josh has a turnover problem. Bills have a rushing the ball consistently problem. The receiving core besides Diggs, has a catching the ball and getting open problem.
I really hope y'all don't lose Diggs bc of all this.. from how his brother is talking something is off. And we all know how close we are to our syblings and tell them how we really feel. Would be a shame to see him go somewhere else bc I know he loves the team. Like you said, I think it's a whole team collective issue but y'all will figure it out bc you have the talent. And btw this is coming from a Phins fan.. y'all played great against us but not sure why it didn't carry over but I personally don't think Dorsey was the issue bc the numbers don't add up why he was fired
@@TruthNationUncensored agreed, I do feel like we’re gonna lose Diggs tho. Hope he gets to a destination good for him because you look at Devante on the Raiders, doubt he’s happy with that decision at all. Also agreed Dorsey was not the issue, just an easy scapegoat
Also, I understand that Josh always holds himself accountable and takes responsibility for everything on the offensive unit. I really don't mind that at all, but right now, he's gotta man up!! He can't let people trash him and walk all over him!!! Please do not misunderstand what I'm trying to say here. He may be a superstar quarterback with turnover issues, but he's a good dude, and he's still the team captain. The way I see it, we'd be better off without someone who doesn't respect our leader when things get rough. As a wise man once said; "a crew or team with no respect and a captain that doesn't demand it, are destined to fall apart quickly."
@@keithdior1657the difference between him and josh is dak never led the league in thouchdowns, never led the league in rushing touchdowns, never led his team in rushes, never led his team past the 1st round. And hes been there longer
How can you literally sit there and say that a QB that has almost as many interceptions as he does touchdowns doesn't have an interception problem🤦🏾♂️
josh allen is doing what he always has done, its the defense being injured that makes the turnovers highlighted because there is less room for error when the other team can score with you
Correct. But the defense is still well above average this season. 5th in points actually which is still top tier in that category. Allen has had the luxury of having the #1 and #2 defense the last two years, now that the defense isn't top 2, and now but a measly 5th, his mistakes that he's always made can't be hidden anymore. If Allen needs nothing less than a top 2 defense for him to be elite, then he's not elite.
@@clarkkent1521 His receiving core and his oline has been worse than they have the last 2 years as well. Being 5th in points allowed isn't the sole result of a defense nor is it the sole representation of how good a defense is. The Bills defense doesn't force turnovers and leave their offense with the worst starting field position in the NFL by far. Tons of other stats point to how much worse his defense has been as well but you wouldn't even need to talk about those cause if you simply watch the games you can come to the conclusion that the Bills are NOT a top 5 defense in the NFL lmao. So if a QB doesn't have an elite oline, doesn't have an elite defense, doesn't have an elite receiving core, doesn't have an elite run game, doesn't have an elite special teams unit and is losing games, that means they aren't elite? Lmao his window for margin of error is smaller than every other "elite" QB you can think of and it isn't remotely close. The Bills run game has always been non existent and their receiving core has always been carried by Diggs, the elite defense they had in the past made up for those issues and now that they're battered by injuries, the flaws of the TEAM are being exposed, not Allen. No one but maybe Tua with his elite receiving core throws the ball as much as Allen as far as a per game average goes and even with that fact, Allen is leading the league in completion percentage with only Lamar who doesn't throw the ball nearly as much near him. This convo is just stupid because there is no other QB you can think of that is put in elite convos that you can say has a smaller window for error. If the QB that is leading the NFL in touchdowns and is top 3-5 in every conceivable stat without an "elite" offensive team "isn't elite" then no one is.
@@skinnymelo Congratulations! There have been hundreds of entries, but you've just won the award for "Blame Eveything But Josh Allen" comment. This is the most comprehensive finger pointing thus far. Until someone else comes along, you are the undisputed champion of "It's never Josh Allen's fault." You must have gone to school to major in "Josh Allen does more by himself than entire 11 man offenses."
@@slimvickins5059 That's not the argument being made here, which is what you guys don't seem to get. The question is, "Does Josh Allen have a turnover problem?" To which the answer is yes.
@@sirrooster1541 No. What you all are trying to do is overblow his turnovers and ignore that he’s the most productive QB in the league. Like he’s out there committing turnovers and losing his team games. Allen is #1 in the league in TDs with 26! But that will never be a talking point from the shady media which has hated Josh Allen since he was drafted.
All i know is dak was obliterated for leading the league in interceptions rightfully so because he played less games. But Josh Allen gets more passes than a bus station.
yeah, he must be racist and the three other 'analysts' couldn't ignore the context he offers any more if they tried because they're so busy dog-piling on a white qb. see, it works both ways.
Dan Orlovsky, I understand that you love Josh Allen because of his special talent and he's a great dude to talk to and hang out with, not to mention a great locker room guy, but c'mon man, you know good and full well that Josh has a huge turnover problem. As a lifelong diehard Buffalo Bills fan, I've expressed my frustrations about Josh Allen turning the ball over, and he improves. But this year, more times than not, he's been way too trigger happy, and that's what caused him to lead the NFL in interceptions while leading the league in touchdowns and being top 5 in passer rating. You gotta say what's real Dan!!!
Been watching football 60 yrs,said when we drafted him,we have another Brett Farve,have to take the bad with the good,but I wouldn't trade him for anybody
You didn’t listen to a word he said. Josh Allen has the lowest turnover worthy play percentage of his career this season. It has been DRAMATICALLY lower than last year. It has not been nearly as much of a problem as the media states.
Brett Farve made mind boggling int. and was a chance taker more than a ball protector. Not saying Josh is Brett but Josh is Josh and if he squeezes one ring out of his career, he will be known as a beast.
"he doesn't have an int problem" takes like this from Skip, Dan and Max are reasons why "new media" is going excel especially from total views standpoint
I think Dan is being objective which I appreciate. It seems like these sports media shows have largely become about bashing players instead of understanding the game, particular plays, and what goes into success and mistakes.
As a Broncos fan, I have to say I'm glad the OC didn't have the situational awareness to recognize the Bills could have run away with the game by sticking with a run-heavy offense. They gashed the Broncos with runs whenever they tried. I'll bet that Josh Allen will embrace having a new OC who is strong enough and creative enough to employ game plans that win games, and that means more use of a momentum-building running attack. There is still plenty of room for Josh to make big plays.
Yeah, that was weird. They got so mad at the guy for having the ball stripped that they didn't let him play for the longest time. Then he comes in and runs wild - looked like he averaged 9 yards a carry, and next thing you know he's out again. I wondered if it was the OC or the Head Coach who didn't seem to understand what his team was doing well.
I will defend Dan on the fact he did dissect Daks interceptions and which ones were on him and which weren't to be be fair to Dak. I remember watching it.
Dan is exactly right. The problem is he's trying to give situational analysis (HE PLAYED THE POSITION) vs. feeding into a group thinking lazy narrative.
@travisjohnson9066 The problem with expert analysis is ( you said he played the position), there is a video by Kurt Warner absolving Ken Dorsey and in this video this dummy is criticizing the game plan. Not sure who the better expert would be. Another instance of Dan's stubborn spin job was when he defended Wentz's several bad plays when he was with the Eagles.
He's had a turnover problem his whole career. It's just that this year they have less talent on offense and the defense is injured, so the problems are magnified
Makes u appreciate how much Mahomes has evolved compared to Allen. Allen relies on his physical skills too much. He doesn’t make the right qb reads, gets the ball out late, and tries to make splash plays all the time. Joe Brady as offensive coordinator isn’t going to play out well also. He’s pass heavy also which is why he got fired.
Mahomes has had night and day better coaching around him to cover up his flaws and push him toward better habits. He’s also had all timers to pass the ball to in his career like Kelce and Hill. I love Stefon Diggs but he hasn’t been proven to be anywhere near as good as those two.
Yes Allen has a turnover problem and yes he's still one of the best QBs in the league which will result in year after year of the Bills getting bounced in the playoffs.
I remember when Dano said Mahomes was broken in two years ago. Now he's riding Allen harder than Bills fans. You won't be a hater if you say the Bills are losing because of Allen's turnovers. You'll just be telling the truth
The #1 job for a QB is to win games not necessarily score points Josh Allen is a turnover machine and is costing his team I don’t get how Dan played QB in this league for that long
I didn't see Dan giving all this "context" to Dak's ints last season lol he waited till the offseason. He's right on top of it with defending Josh though the hypocrisy is crazy
@@unc54the best you get is "credit where it's due" back handed compliments lol which is fine I'm just pointing out that he's selective with who he chooses to favor and defend
@@intergalacticmuffin7071 You must have missed the part where the former HC and Josh Allen both told her what she's echoing 😂 She ain't talkin Xs and Os, just repeating the story from the horse's mouth
I cannot listen to pundits like RG3, Dan Orlovski, Brady Quinn, Mark Sanchez, whoever. If you were a mediocre quarterback when you played stop trying to convince viewers or fans with your evaluations of other qbs if you really know nothing about what you are talking about.
As a Bills' fan who has sat through Trent Edwards, EJ Manuel, Rob Johnson etc - Josh is the best thing to happen to this franchise since Jim Kelly, and we're sitting here complaining being 5-5 as if the world is ending then I think we got it good. I would have killed to be 5-5 back with those other QBs
Same. He is an elite QB but they may miss the play offs because the AFC has tightened up. I’m fine either way I just don’t want Diggs to go. They seriously need to center more plays around him to keep him happy.
Yes I agree with you 💯... But how many championships did Jim Kelly got you guys?? Plus if Allen is being compare to these other young quarterback, then they have to criticize him...Mahome have 2 super bowl 🏈 rings with an average defense
Dan Orlovsky is clearly doing clearly bad takes for views. ESPN is full of that nonsense. 14 turnovers in 10 games and you say he doesn't have a turnover problem?
Before the Denver game Allen and Mahomes had the same amount of interceptions. Does Mahomes have an interception problem also? I would say no. Those interceptions he threw long down the field was giving your wr a chance to make a play. Somebody like Jefferson, Chase, Adam’s even WR wilson on the jets prolly make those plays.
As a chiefs fans I do think mahomes has an int problem this season, he is getting easily frustrated and starts pressing when he doesn't need to. He isn't showing the patience that he was playing with last year
His point is that they dont talk about mahomes turnover problem this year but they do Allen's. But thats what happens when you win. The chiefs are 2nd in the league this year and the Bills are 17th. Win and the critics shut up
@@jamesperry3818Allen’s gone toe to toe with Mahomes on the biggest stage in playoffs. Allen has 17 TD/ 4 INT and 99 passer rating in the playoffs. Mahomes wouldn’t look or be viewed nearly the same if he hadn’t won the lottery falling to the Chiefs and arguably the best offensive mind in NFL history Andy Reid. Chiefs were already an AFC powerhouse with 4 double digit Division Championships with Alex Smith. Smith had the #1 passer rating in the NFL in that system. Allen is every bit as talented as Mahomes.
Yes Dan, the QBs number one job is to score points to win games, but if he's busy throwing picks at the most crucial points of games, he's directly sabotaging that objective. A good defense could neutralize the effects of these picks by limiting the points the other team scores as a direct result of these turnovers, but with a hobbled defense, these interceptions are going to directly result in losses.
The problem with Allen’s turnovers that pretty much everyone is just overlooking is the critical time that he chooses to commit them. Bills easily could be 7-3 or 8-2 without terrible back breaking int for no reason from Josh this year. It’s less about the amount, more of when he’s committing them that’s really messing with bills chances.
Allen has a turnover problem but with that being said he has done enough for this team to be 8-2 if the Bills defense could hold the jets, Pats and Broncos the final 2 minutes, everyone can talk about the bIlls injuries but then final 2 mins they let Zach Wilson look like rodgers and Mac Jones look like Brady and Russell Wilson look like the Seattle Wilson is just terrible
You realize those losses to the jets and broncos are because of the turnovers not the defense. When you give the other team the ball 4 times in each game that’s not the defense fault
They lost to the Jets BECAUSE of Josh Allen. He had 4 turnovers. They scored 16 points. He had 3 turnovers (including another muffed handoff) against Denver. You can say the Pats loss is on the defense for failing to get a stop in that final drive. The one guy who can say he's losing even though he's balling out because the defense is terrible is Hebert. You put up 38 pts and still lose, you can use that excuse. You cannot when you put up 16 and one guy picks you off 3 times himself. You cannot when you're muffing handoffs. It isn't just the INTs how many fumbles has Josh has?
Josh has no business playing hero ball and throwing picks when going up against Zach Wilson Max Jones and Russ. Make it make sense. Okay mistake free, conservative football and you easily win those games.
I’m 20 years old and I’m aware of Dan tenure with Detroit when they had the first ever winless season but people my age most know him for being Peyton Mannings backup QB in Indianapolis 😂
Black guy in the suit w beard is spot on. (My b don’t know his name) The margin for error is smaller since the defense is so banged up n below average now. Allen is still elite it’s still the same josh Allen we been seeing for years
Josh Allen without running ability= Jameis Winston. Another turnover machine. If Josh couldn't run, then he ain't special Dak has FAR BETTER TD-to-INT than Troy Aikman and Rodger Staubach. Dak is not the runner Josh Allen is, but Dak is big and does take big hits and still score. Josh is just another Taysom Hill, he should play multiple positions but only be the backup QB because Taysom Hill can throw a TD pass but he throws INTs far better, just like Josh Allen throws very good INTs.
Dan O is so full of BS. Says it with such conviction. And they’re people in this comment section actually defending his view because he played in the league. SMH
Thank you Dan!!! Finally, someone reasonable who understands that if you're going to highlight his downside you can't just ignore his upside. Everyone's focused on turnovers and everyone's ignoring the TDs.
What upside they've been getting worse every single year they were at the top with the cream of the crop we all expected them to be competing for the big one now we talking about them possibly missing the playoffs ig thats nobody's fault though, I couldn't be a football player qbs get sucked off so much its annoying
@@matthewmartinez6922 Well in general it should be for any athlete. Tiger Woods played in over 1,000 tournaments and he won 82 of them. He's considered the greatest ever. Everyone talks about his wins but nobody sits there and says he lost over 900 so he's trash.
Dan orlovsky started 12 games in his career and has 15 turnovers. I wouldn’t take anything to heart when it comes to him and his opinion on josh Allen turnovers.
So now we’re making excuses & mitigating thrown interceptions??? Smdh Stop It! Wish other QB’s with a different skin complexion got the same excuses made for them!
What makes him a credible NFL Analyst? His career stats Passing attempts: 512 Passing completions: 298 Percentage: 58.2 TD-INT: 15-13 Passing yards: 3,132 Passer rating: 75.3
Does anyone remember Brett Favre threw an enormous amount of interceptions, IIRC he threw 30 in a single season. But, he won a super bowl and is a hall of famer with over 70,000 career yards. Yeah, josh turns the ball over and makes some stupid decisions sometimes, but he’s one of the top QBs in the league and most teams would take him, period.
Josh Allen is a modern day Brett Favre. Can make any throw, can change a game off of 2 plays, and will make you pull your hair out with boneheaded decisions.
lies, Josh leads in TDs as a whole he does not lead in passing TDs, Lamar gets way worse treatment and at this rate he has done more with less. Josh is not now bottom of the elite barrel.
I just don't understand. Why are we making excuses for Josh Allen but people did not make excuses for Jamies Winston. Winston lead in yards and touchdowns too. Along with his interceptions, but most people only focus on his interceptions, so the same should apply to Josh Allen.
I've never really heard of this Dan Orlovsky. I had to look him up because as someone already pointed out he seems to have a knack of not holding QBs accountable. That's because he was a QB that wasn't good so it makes sense. He sounds just as ridiculous when he was claiming Mac Jones was playing bad because of the lack of Offense coordinator the year before. Coaches can't make you throw picks and make bad decisions.
When the girl tried to debate, sorry for not knowing her name, they straight up refused to let her get her point across cutting her off and she even has a visible reaction. Come on be better.
With the video that was shown I understand what Danny O is saying about Josh Allen. Dan isn't lying about how he assessed Dak Prescott, he was literally the only person saying that the media wasn't being fair to Dak.
Eventually Stephen A will be host and moderator debating with himself
Lmfao
He should have baby Stephen A as the moderator 😂
😂 with hand puppets
Moderator Stephen A.: "Aaron Rodgers is a BAAAA---"
Host Stephen A.: "You're wrong and here's why..."
Like colin
Has anyone noticed all dan does is defend every qb lmaoo, s/o to him being loyal to his position haha
That’s his role at espn and what producers want him to
Do
Every QB NOT named Dak
A white former QB defending a current white QB. Shocking.
only the ones that remind him of himself🤣🤣
The white ones ....
“The man who leads the league in turnovers over the last 5 years does not have a turnover problem” -Dan O
This.
Bro. Dan O is literally becoming a bad analyst fr.
@@MultiKushieDan needs to stick to breaking down game film because that’s all he’s good for
No, but you see, he throws lots of touchdowns, so the interceptions and fumbles don't count. That's how football works right?
@@disqusrubbish5467shut up
Dan talking about Jameis Winstons 30 Int "Can we acknowledge that he has 30 TDs"
I mean
😂😂😂right so with Dan logic Tom Brady shoulda never went to Tampa bay because they already had a qb Jamis😂
As a Bills fan Josh has a turnover problem. Bills have a rushing the ball consistently problem. The receiving core besides Diggs, has a catching the ball and getting open problem.
Yup. Gabe Davis can make big catches but often drops or coughs up the ball in horrific moments.
I really hope y'all don't lose Diggs bc of all this.. from how his brother is talking something is off. And we all know how close we are to our syblings and tell them how we really feel. Would be a shame to see him go somewhere else bc I know he loves the team. Like you said, I think it's a whole team collective issue but y'all will figure it out bc you have the talent.
And btw this is coming from a Phins fan.. y'all played great against us but not sure why it didn't carry over but I personally don't think Dorsey was the issue bc the numbers don't add up why he was fired
@@TruthNationUncensored agreed, I do feel like we’re gonna lose Diggs tho. Hope he gets to a destination good for him because you look at Devante on the Raiders, doubt he’s happy with that decision at all. Also agreed Dorsey was not the issue, just an easy scapegoat
Also, I understand that Josh always holds himself accountable and takes responsibility for everything on the offensive unit. I really don't mind that at all, but right now, he's gotta man up!! He can't let people trash him and walk all over him!!! Please do not misunderstand what I'm trying to say here. He may be a superstar quarterback with turnover issues, but he's a good dude, and he's still the team captain. The way I see it, we'd be better off without someone who doesn't respect our leader when things get rough. As a wise man once said; "a crew or team with no respect and a captain that doesn't demand it, are destined to fall apart quickly."
@@jonathanwilliams0824 I understand you
Josh Allen is literally Brett Favre in todays league
History repeats, right? 🤷♂️
Thats an insult to Farve
I said that to my dad last year lmao
At least farve has a ring, he’s more of todays version of jay cutler
Hopefully he doesn't steal money from kids in the future. lol
Dan is a class act and people don’t treat him kindly enough
Facts same thing with Max Sas just cant handle when someone is a pro and act kindly and spits facts over him
Dan always getting jumped on set. Every time he's on its like a handicap match.
He also doesn’t keep the same energy with other players
Yeah people are legit meaner to him than anyone else, and he takes it like a champ
@alexmcdowall6108 Dan's white. Of course SAS hates him
Turnovers are a problem no matter how many touchdowns you score. Period.
YES.
Dan said Josh Allen needs to breathe better 😂😂😂😂😂
So there’s a qb in Dallas that didn’t have this happen at all and people called him a turnover machine. 🧐
Facts
Facts
Because Daks talent level does not match the hype or what the cowboys want to do. You're only as strong as your weakest link. Dak is a garbage QB
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@@keithdior1657the difference between him and josh is dak never led the league in thouchdowns, never led the league in rushing touchdowns, never led his team in rushes, never led his team past the 1st round. And hes been there longer
Dak had a turnover problem last year even tho bout 5-6 int wasn’t dak fault
How can you literally sit there and say that a QB that has almost as many interceptions as he does touchdowns doesn't have an interception problem🤦🏾♂️
That is incorrect. 19 tds to 11 picks. Plus 7 rushing tds. Get a clue.
josh allen is doing what he always has done, its the defense being injured that makes the turnovers highlighted because there is less room for error when the other team can score with you
Correct. But the defense is still well above average this season. 5th in points actually which is still top tier in that category. Allen has had the luxury of having the #1 and #2 defense the last two years, now that the defense isn't top 2, and now but a measly 5th, his mistakes that he's always made can't be hidden anymore. If Allen needs nothing less than a top 2 defense for him to be elite, then he's not elite.
@@clarkkent1521 His receiving core and his oline has been worse than they have the last 2 years as well. Being 5th in points allowed isn't the sole result of a defense nor is it the sole representation of how good a defense is. The Bills defense doesn't force turnovers and leave their offense with the worst starting field position in the NFL by far. Tons of other stats point to how much worse his defense has been as well but you wouldn't even need to talk about those cause if you simply watch the games you can come to the conclusion that the Bills are NOT a top 5 defense in the NFL lmao. So if a QB doesn't have an elite oline, doesn't have an elite defense, doesn't have an elite receiving core, doesn't have an elite run game, doesn't have an elite special teams unit and is losing games, that means they aren't elite? Lmao his window for margin of error is smaller than every other "elite" QB you can think of and it isn't remotely close. The Bills run game has always been non existent and their receiving core has always been carried by Diggs, the elite defense they had in the past made up for those issues and now that they're battered by injuries, the flaws of the TEAM are being exposed, not Allen. No one but maybe Tua with his elite receiving core throws the ball as much as Allen as far as a per game average goes and even with that fact, Allen is leading the league in completion percentage with only Lamar who doesn't throw the ball nearly as much near him. This convo is just stupid because there is no other QB you can think of that is put in elite convos that you can say has a smaller window for error. If the QB that is leading the NFL in touchdowns and is top 3-5 in every conceivable stat without an "elite" offensive team "isn't elite" then no one is.
@@skinnymelo Congratulations! There have been hundreds of entries, but you've just won the award for "Blame Eveything But Josh Allen" comment. This is the most comprehensive finger pointing thus far. Until someone else comes along, you are the undisputed champion of "It's never Josh Allen's fault." You must have gone to school to major in "Josh Allen does more by himself than entire 11 man offenses."
@@clarkkent1521 Funny comment, now find a way to way disprove it or carry on with your mental illness.
@@clarkkent1521you’re a moron. Your comment actually makes you sound like you have a mental deficiency. Congratulations
Allen’s been turnover prone his entire career. This year he just leads the league in picks.
He’s been the pick leader for the last 4 years buddy.
@@chaytiano6896 ur a casual 💀
@@chaytiano6896bro Dak led the lead last year what’re you talking anoit
Allen leads the league in TDs.
@@chaytiano6896Allen has 26 TDs.
Yeah Brett Farve doesn't have an interception problem in his career. They were not bad decision throws, they're risks😂😂 I'm being sarcastic.
Brett Farve still plays? 🤣
Brett Favre went to 2 Super Bowls and was 3x MVP.
😂😂
@@slimvickins5059 That's not the argument being made here, which is what you guys don't seem to get. The question is, "Does Josh Allen have a turnover problem?" To which the answer is yes.
@@sirrooster1541 No. What you all are trying to do is overblow his turnovers and ignore that he’s the most productive QB in the league. Like he’s out there committing turnovers and losing his team games. Allen is #1 in the league in TDs with 26! But that will never be a talking point from the shady media which has hated Josh Allen since he was drafted.
All i know is dak was obliterated for leading the league in interceptions rightfully so because he played less games. But Josh Allen gets more passes than a bus station.
Shut up
Only Dan is makin excuses
my guy if you think dak is even close to allen you dont have eyes
@@trevorsanso32 talk to him bro these cowboy fans are slow asf
@@trevorsanso32I guess I'm blind then.
Everyone is being so disrespectful towards Dan and he's the only one on the panel who knows that its like to be in those positions as a QB
He's also the only one up there who is wrong on this subject. So there is that
I’m a Josh Allen apologist but Dan being on my side is making me rethink everything
When talking football he’s the best on ESPN. Using evidence not just feelings
He has always been a QB defender/apologist.
You mean CAUCASIAN qauter backs from the caucuses mountains apologist
@@YT-ol7ssnah far from it. Ryan Clark the best
Dan never ever make excuses for Jalen Hurts. Dan got his boys back any white QB....
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yeah, he must be racist and the three other 'analysts' couldn't ignore the context he offers any more if they tried because they're so busy dog-piling on a white qb. see, it works both ways.
This is the same guy who was sticking up for Carson Wentz and Sam Darnold.
Right 💯😂
you guys don't understand QB play
Josh Allen doesn't do a single thing better than Wentz.
man you got serious mental problems if you're being serious@@smugnick5458
i remember the carson wentz days
Dan Orlovsky, I understand that you love Josh Allen because of his special talent and he's a great dude to talk to and hang out with, not to mention a great locker room guy, but c'mon man, you know good and full well that Josh has a huge turnover problem. As a lifelong diehard Buffalo Bills fan, I've expressed my frustrations about Josh Allen turning the ball over, and he improves. But this year, more times than not, he's been way too trigger happy, and that's what caused him to lead the NFL in interceptions while leading the league in touchdowns and being top 5 in passer rating. You gotta say what's real Dan!!!
Been watching football 60 yrs,said when we drafted him,we have another Brett Farve,have to take the bad with the good,but I wouldn't trade him for anybody
You didn’t listen to a word he said. Josh Allen has the lowest turnover worthy play percentage of his career this season. It has been DRAMATICALLY lower than last year. It has not been nearly as much of a problem as the media states.
Brett Farve made mind boggling int. and was a chance taker more than a ball protector. Not saying Josh is Brett but Josh is Josh and if he squeezes one ring out of his career, he will be known as a beast.
This is why Dan was a backup mane! 😂😂😂
He played In the league..
there is a reason Dan Orlovsky has been sitting on tv for years and not playing QB in the NFL.
Yeah being in his forties.
This dude ran out of the back of the endzone and gave his team a safety. Why are we listening to him talk about QB's
Dan “i dont criticize players” Orlovski
The football JJ Redick
QBs. Dan doesn't criticize QBs because he's loyal to the position he used to play.
"he doesn't have an int problem" takes like this from Skip, Dan and Max are reasons why "new media" is going excel especially from total views standpoint
I think Dan is being objective which I appreciate. It seems like these sports media shows have largely become about bashing players instead of understanding the game, particular plays, and what goes into success and mistakes.
But Josh Allen has a turnover problem tho 😂
If this was Dak OMG!!!
As a Broncos fan, I have to say I'm glad the OC didn't have the situational awareness to recognize the Bills could have run away with the game by sticking with a run-heavy offense. They gashed the Broncos with runs whenever they tried. I'll bet that Josh Allen will embrace having a new OC who is strong enough and creative enough to employ game plans that win games, and that means more use of a momentum-building running attack. There is still plenty of room for Josh to make big plays.
Yeah, that was weird. They got so mad at the guy for having the ball stripped that they didn't let him play for the longest time. Then he comes in and runs wild - looked like he averaged 9 yards a carry, and next thing you know he's out again. I wondered if it was the OC or the Head Coach who didn't seem to understand what his team was doing well.
@@disqusrubbish5467 That guy was dalvin's cooks brothers James Cook, and The head Coach Sean Mcdermott coaches the Defense
Thanks @@SweepSwapInUrWalls
I will defend Dan on the fact he did dissect Daks interceptions and which ones were on him and which weren't to be be fair to Dak. I remember watching it.
Dan is exactly right. The problem is he's trying to give situational analysis (HE PLAYED THE POSITION) vs. feeding into a group thinking lazy narrative.
@travisjohnson9066 The problem with expert analysis is ( you said he played the position), there is a video by Kurt Warner absolving Ken Dorsey and in this video this dummy is criticizing the game plan. Not sure who the better expert would be. Another instance of Dan's stubborn spin job was when he defended Wentz's several bad plays when he was with the Eagles.
Better treat Allen like they treat Dak and Baker.
*Dak and Lamar
Fixed it for ya
Dak has been in the league 8 years with talent all around him the entire time and hasn't even sniffed any sort of playoff success. Cope harder
@@trevorsanso32yes he has dude. Where you been?
what playoff success lmao dude hasn't sniffed a conference championship@@melanatedgod5337
@@nelobreeze5425Lamar has lost 10 fumbles this year and 5 recovered by the Ravens, ain’t no one saying anything. Cry harder
Dan comes on here day after day and reminds us all why he was a career back up
This a dumb take by him but lets not sit here and act like backup QBs dont have ball knowledge. Nfl has a bunch of head coaches that were backup qbs
Nah he was the smartest one here
@@LaggyMcstutters that’s true but DO has bad takes every time he’s on here
@@anthonyruiz2111 idk about that
Ouch!
Everyone at the table looks at a spread sheet and doesn’t watch the film LOL
He's had a turnover problem his whole career. It's just that this year they have less talent on offense and the defense is injured, so the problems are magnified
Dan is sounding like Skip Bayless.
Makes u appreciate how much Mahomes has evolved compared to Allen. Allen relies on his physical skills too much. He doesn’t make the right qb reads, gets the ball out late, and tries to make splash plays all the time. Joe Brady as offensive coordinator isn’t going to play out well also. He’s pass heavy also which is why he got fired.
we will see
Mahomes has had night and day better coaching around him to cover up his flaws and push him toward better habits. He’s also had all timers to pass the ball to in his career like Kelce and Hill. I love Stefon Diggs but he hasn’t been proven to be anywhere near as good as those two.
Dan always saves Josh Allen and Joe Burrow!! ALWAYS!!
Yes Allen has a turnover problem and yes he's still one of the best QBs in the league which will result in year after year of the Bills getting bounced in the playoffs.
Allen is Good, capital G 7/10 but he's just not elite. It's okay to say that
Allen is potent....not necessarily that good.
Burrow is actually good.
Dan is a hypocrite. Why doesn’t he keep the same energy with other QBs
it’s crazy we dont call Josh Allen a running back 😂
Why would you?
@@c.l.s5445 bc we call lamar & jalen hurts one
I remember when Dano said Mahomes was broken in two years ago. Now he's riding Allen harder than Bills fans. You won't be a hater if you say the Bills are losing because of Allen's turnovers. You'll just be telling the truth
The #1 job for a QB is to win games not necessarily score points Josh Allen is a turnover machine and is costing his team I don’t get how Dan played QB in this league for that long
He was a terrible quarterback! His stats back that up. He was the quarterback for the only ever 0-16 team.
@@clintonfreed412you wasn’t a Qb in nfl at all you couldn’t even make it
@@juiceloose2462That’s not an argument 🤣 just say you have no rebuttal.
So Allen doesn't have interceptions problems but Dak did last yr!! I don't even like the Cowboys, but this is preposterous statement by Dan
All you need to know is Dan put Carson Wentz ahead of Rodgers in 2020 when he won MVP. It’s hard to take him serious
And he ran into his own end zone
And said Justin Fields had a chance to win MVP this season
Remember, this guy that's defending Josh Allen is the same guy who was garbage beyond garbage as a quarterback.
I didn't see Dan giving all this "context" to Dak's ints last season lol he waited till the offseason. He's right on top of it with defending Josh though the hypocrisy is crazy
What are you talking about? Dan goes out of his way to defend every QB he can.
hes a cowboys fan@@unc54
@@unc54the best you get is "credit where it's due" back handed compliments lol which is fine I'm just pointing out that he's selective with who he chooses to favor and defend
funny how people see things the way they want and now how it's actually presented.
Facts…. Dan wrong period…. Just cuz he white don’t mean take of for josh turning it over to much
Ken Dorsey will always be goated to me for that headset toss last year lol! Can't argue the passion.
Kim's eye roll 😂
Its disrespectful Dan has forgotten more football than she will ever know.
@@intergalacticmuffin7071 why you in your feelings for a grown man, Dan is clueless
@@intergalacticmuffin7071 You must have missed the part where the former HC and Josh Allen both told her what she's echoing 😂 She ain't talkin Xs and Os, just repeating the story from the horse's mouth
I cannot listen to pundits like RG3, Dan Orlovski, Brady Quinn, Mark Sanchez, whoever. If you were a mediocre quarterback when you played stop trying to convince viewers or fans with your evaluations of other qbs if you really know nothing about what you are talking about.
As a Bills' fan who has sat through Trent Edwards, EJ Manuel, Rob Johnson etc - Josh is the best thing to happen to this franchise since Jim Kelly, and we're sitting here complaining being 5-5 as if the world is ending then I think we got it good. I would have killed to be 5-5 back with those other QBs
Same. He is an elite QB but they may miss the play offs because the AFC has tightened up. I’m fine either way I just don’t want Diggs to go. They seriously need to center more plays around him to keep him happy.
EJ Manuel… wooooooh 😭🫡
dont forget JP Losman
Yes I agree with you 💯... But how many championships did Jim Kelly got you guys?? Plus if Allen is being compare to these other young quarterback, then they have to criticize him...Mahome have 2 super bowl 🏈 rings with an average defense
The lofty expectations for Josh only exist because he has played so well@@Henry18845
Dan Orlovsky is clearly doing clearly bad takes for views. ESPN is full of that nonsense. 14 turnovers in 10 games and you say he doesn't have a turnover problem?
Coming from a guy who ran out the back of the endzone 😂
I never understood how y’all really think this man who ran out the back of the end zone really knows how to be NFL Qb .
Before the Denver game Allen and Mahomes had the same amount of interceptions. Does Mahomes have an interception problem also? I would say no. Those interceptions he threw long down the field was giving your wr a chance to make a play. Somebody like Jefferson, Chase, Adam’s even WR wilson on the jets prolly make those plays.
Never put Allen and mahomes in the same sentence!
As a chiefs fans I do think mahomes has an int problem this season, he is getting easily frustrated and starts pressing when he doesn't need to. He isn't showing the patience that he was playing with last year
His point is that they dont talk about mahomes turnover problem this year but they do Allen's. But thats what happens when you win. The chiefs are 2nd in the league this year and the Bills are 17th. Win and the critics shut up
@@gowancolley7619that’s what got the bills in this position they were winning with the turnovers and never fixed now they are losing because of
@@jamesperry3818Allen’s gone toe to toe with Mahomes on the biggest stage in playoffs. Allen has 17 TD/ 4 INT and 99 passer rating in the playoffs. Mahomes wouldn’t look or be viewed nearly the same if he hadn’t won the lottery falling to the Chiefs and arguably the best offensive mind in NFL history Andy Reid. Chiefs were already an AFC powerhouse with 4 double digit Division Championships with Alex Smith. Smith had the #1 passer rating in the NFL in that system. Allen is every bit as talented as Mahomes.
Josh Allen is Jameis Winston disguised as Brett Favre
Hahaha this is so true 😂😂😂😂
They jumped Dan 💀
Her face throughout all this when Dan is talking is hilarious 😂😂😂😂
"He said it again" lmao!!!
Dan O had 15 TDs and 13 INTs in his career. That's all you need to know.
in the NFL. I'm going to guess you had 0 TD's and 0 INT's in your NFL career. ha ha
Dan is the worst quarterback analyst I’ve ever seen
He's pretty bad 😅😅😅 I'm not playing
Yes Dan, the QBs number one job is to score points to win games, but if he's busy throwing picks at the most crucial points of games, he's directly sabotaging that objective. A good defense could neutralize the effects of these picks by limiting the points the other team scores as a direct result of these turnovers, but with a hobbled defense, these interceptions are going to directly result in losses.
People like Todd McShay, Jalen Rose, Mark Jackson, etc are gone, and Dan Orlovsky is still there....Keep up the good work ESPN.
The problem with Allen’s turnovers that pretty much everyone is just overlooking is the critical time that he chooses to commit them. Bills easily could be 7-3 or 8-2 without terrible back breaking int for no reason from Josh this year. It’s less about the amount, more of when he’s committing them that’s really messing with bills chances.
Yuppp
Semantics arguments at 8 am is wild 😂
Allen has a turnover problem but with that being said he has done enough for this team to be 8-2 if the Bills defense could hold the jets, Pats and Broncos the final 2 minutes, everyone can talk about the bIlls injuries but then final 2 mins they let Zach Wilson look like rodgers and Mac Jones look like Brady and Russell Wilson look like the Seattle Wilson is just terrible
They shouldve lost to the Giants
You realize those losses to the jets and broncos are because of the turnovers not the defense. When you give the other team the ball 4 times in each game that’s not the defense fault
Bills are two penalties and Chris Godwin turning around away from being 3-7.
They lost to the Jets BECAUSE of Josh Allen. He had 4 turnovers. They scored 16 points. He had 3 turnovers (including another muffed handoff) against Denver. You can say the Pats loss is on the defense for failing to get a stop in that final drive. The one guy who can say he's losing even though he's balling out because the defense is terrible is Hebert. You put up 38 pts and still lose, you can use that excuse. You cannot when you put up 16 and one guy picks you off 3 times himself. You cannot when you're muffing handoffs. It isn't just the INTs how many fumbles has Josh has?
Josh has no business playing hero ball and throwing picks when going up against Zach Wilson Max Jones and Russ. Make it make sense. Okay mistake free, conservative football and you easily win those games.
Josh Allen is great he just always eats popcorn before the game like Brucie from Longest Yard
D.O. has some wild takes. He mustve learned from defending his own play during his career so he will defend any QB no matter what 😂
Just a reminder… ESPN actually pays Dan money to give his opinions.
I’m 20 years old and I’m aware of Dan tenure with Detroit when they had the first ever winless season but people my age most know him for being Peyton Mannings backup QB in Indianapolis 😂
Hearing all this makes me as a Jets fan smile that we may get another 3 INT game ✈️
Dan Orlovsky Career 58% completion percentage talking about playing football is a joke.
I might agree with Dan (Allen’s TDs and scoring offsetting the turnovers) if the team wasn’t 5-5. It’s costing them more every season.
Dan ran out the back of the end zone bruh😂😂😂😂
Josh Allen keeps playing like that he gonna mess around and get traded 😂
Black guy in the suit w beard is spot on. (My b don’t know his name) The margin for error is smaller since the defense is so banged up n below average now. Allen is still elite it’s still the same josh Allen we been seeing for years
His name is Damien Woody.
I'm surprise NOBODY ever mentions Buffalo has ZERO run game. Can't win on the pass alone.
Josh Allen without running ability= Jameis Winston.
Another turnover machine.
If Josh couldn't run, then he ain't special
Dak has FAR BETTER TD-to-INT than Troy Aikman and Rodger Staubach. Dak is not the runner Josh Allen is, but Dak is big and does take big hits and still score. Josh is just another Taysom Hill, he should play multiple positions but only be the backup QB because Taysom Hill can throw a TD pass but he throws INTs far better, just like Josh Allen throws very good INTs.
Dan will defend white QB’s with his life.
Dan O is so full of BS. Says it with such conviction. And they’re people in this comment section actually defending his view because he played in the league. SMH
Man you can have your opinion relax
Kimberly Martin is worse than Mina kimes
“He said it again” 😂
Thank you Dan!!! Finally, someone reasonable who understands that if you're going to highlight his downside you can't just ignore his upside. Everyone's focused on turnovers and everyone's ignoring the TDs.
What upside they've been getting worse every single year they were at the top with the cream of the crop we all expected them to be competing for the big one now we talking about them possibly missing the playoffs ig thats nobody's fault though, I couldn't be a football player qbs get sucked off so much its annoying
Say the same about Dak
@@matthewmartinez6922 Well in general it should be for any athlete. Tiger Woods played in over 1,000 tournaments and he won 82 of them. He's considered the greatest ever. Everyone talks about his wins but nobody sits there and says he lost over 900 so he's trash.
Dan orlovsky started 12 games in his career and has 15 turnovers. I wouldn’t take anything to heart when it comes to him and his opinion on josh Allen turnovers.
So now we’re making excuses & mitigating thrown interceptions???
Smdh Stop It! Wish other QB’s with a different skin complexion got the same excuses made for them!
they do. literally. non stop excuses only for them. you child.
@@timothyhumphreys8361 Respond back with the Absolute truth, not a Lie! History supports my comment.
Emotion fueled your response
You talking about 1 man with a different opinion than the group
What makes him a credible NFL Analyst? His career stats
Passing attempts:
512
Passing completions:
298
Percentage:
58.2
TD-INT:
15-13
Passing yards:
3,132
Passer rating:
75.3
No way 2 non athletes are trying to discredit the points being made by a former professional quarterback about interceptions
Funny how they ATTACK Dak for it but Make up excuses for EVERYONE Else! Dan is a 🤡
Dan is making excuses for bad play from Josh Allen
Does anyone remember Brett Favre threw an enormous amount of interceptions, IIRC he threw 30 in a single season. But, he won a super bowl and is a hall of famer with over 70,000 career yards. Yeah, josh turns the ball over and makes some stupid decisions sometimes, but he’s one of the top QBs in the league and most teams would take him, period.
Josh Allen is a modern day Brett Favre. Can make any throw, can change a game off of 2 plays, and will make you pull your hair out with boneheaded decisions.
lies, Josh leads in TDs as a whole he does not lead in passing TDs, Lamar gets way worse treatment and at this rate he has done more with less. Josh is not now bottom of the elite barrel.
I just don't understand. Why are we making excuses for Josh Allen but people did not make excuses for Jamies Winston. Winston lead in yards and touchdowns too. Along with his interceptions, but most people only focus on his interceptions, so the same should apply to Josh Allen.
where was this energy from dan for dak last year
“HE MISSED IT”😂😂 I love Stephen A
I've never really heard of this Dan Orlovsky. I had to look him up because as someone already pointed out he seems to have a knack of not holding QBs accountable. That's because he was a QB that wasn't good so it makes sense. He sounds just as ridiculous when he was claiming Mac Jones was playing bad because of the lack of Offense coordinator the year before. Coaches can't make you throw picks and make bad decisions.
I am getting to the point where I can't listen to Dan O talk football anymore. This guy said Josh Allen doesn't have a turnover problem🤦🏿♂️
When the girl tried to debate, sorry for not knowing her name, they straight up refused to let her get her point across cutting her off and she even has a visible reaction. Come on be better.
With the video that was shown I understand what Danny O is saying about Josh Allen. Dan isn't lying about how he assessed Dak Prescott, he was literally the only person saying that the media wasn't being fair to Dak.
If you have to keep reminding people that you’re the “boss”, then you’re not really the boss.