if the subwoofer has speaker level inputs you can just use that, if the subwoofer doesn't then use this: ruclips.net/video/rQeYdz7vKqQ/видео.htmlsi=QmuaYuzjyraI6cmx
Hi there, I was thinking of buying b2+ to pair with Rotel A12, but I after watching your review I am confused about the speakers. Could you please suggest some good alternatives musical bookshelf speakers only for stereo purpose. Thanks in advance.
that would be an odd way to do it, you'd need a pre-amp which kind of defeats the purpose of powered speakers but you can go preamp out to the sub then lineout from the sub to the powered speakers. You could also use a bludsound node 2 which has highpass options so you can use any sub with that. I think using the bluesound makes more sense.
@@NemoPropaganda will it only work a amp/preamp? What if I use an EQ ? Like my Tv to the Bellari EQ570, then the Bellari to the input of the sub, then the line out of the subs to my powered bookshelf speakers, any idea if that’ll work? Anyways thanks for the response 🤘🏼
Getting back into stereo music. Ended up getting an Emotiva 2.1 system: B1+ bookshelf speakers, SE8 sub, and BASX TA1 integrated amp. Originally was going to get the Denon PE600 but Emotiva gives 20% back in Emotiva $ so the BASX TA1 ended up being less expensive than the Denon! Free shipping from Franklin TN was about 2-3 days from day of order since I live about 100 miles away. So far love the great accuracy and imaging - being able to pick out every instrument and location.
Nice! I did something similar about 10 years ago when I was getting back into audio, I had a smaller budget but also started with Emotiva, best decision I ever made, they're gear is great!
Awesome review! So for roughly $1,000.00, you can get a nice system, just add a streamer & cables. The way you break things down, using common sense, is fantastic. Great review, as always!!!
Thank you!! Yes exactly, you can get into some great gear these days for a reasonable price. If you don't play all that loud you can do it for even less, these speakers are $249, the sub is $300, you can use an Arylic A50 amp that has a built in streamer for $189 and your grand total is $738 though I suppose you'd need some speaker stands too but you can find those for as little as $129 or so.
Hi Nemo, just now getting around to checking out the sub series reviews. "The system as a whole is just incredibly enjoyable"! Now that's a great summary of a system design that end users don't hear enough about. It always comes down to total system configuration and synergy over the individual parts which in the end either makes it engaging and FUN or not so much. As best as I can determine from your review here, the B1+ and S8 pairing is probably going to outperform many or most pair of speakers in the $500-600 price range. One thing that caught my attention is the paring really does not take up a whole lotta space either. These Emotiva products seem to be the kind that a user is able to plug into, play away, have loads of fun with, while letting go of all that audiophile OCD crap. I've never owned any Emo speakers but am now gonna have to truly consider getting this B1+ and S8 pair. Thanks Nemo!
Yeah the S8 with B1 pairing will outperform any $500-$600 speaker only option in overall performance. Granted a $500-$600 speaker only option might have better integration between the drivers and be slightly better here or there but there but if we're talking full range sound i don't think anything can best this combination at this price point for overall performance vs value. Emotiva also just released a 12" version of that sub for just $100 more, I'm going to email them begging for a review sample :D
I feel the same. I don’t need more speakers, but I feel compelled to try the Emotiva speakers. I have heard so many people praise them at price point & beyond. I like the pairing w/sub. Personally, I prefer to run a smaller sub w/smaller bookshelves.
Hello 👋🏼 nice videos well spoken and clear to detail. Thanks Which would you recommend these or the SVS satellite speaker. I just upgraded to the SVS PB-1000 Pro dual and looking to upgrade front and rear and center speaker. Thank you 🙏🏼🔊✌🏼 I’m replacing my Bose Jewel double cube front and rear center was Bose v-10
Bro, I love your reviews and your delivery. Just got my RSL Speedwoofer been running it with various mains including Polk LSI’s B&W 607 and some old school Infinity 363 towers which for the 250 I paid are just absolutely insanely good. The RSL is great, I run two SVS SB2000’s usually but the Speedwoofer sound as good or better. Your vids inspired me to get the RSL and breakout the old Infinity’s out of their boxes in the garage. Next up is a bigger sub, still deciding and combing thru your reviews. Oh, added a 2:channel Denon integrated for music. Might try that Yamaha for shits and giggles. Thx for the inspiration bro.
I am using B1+ pair and S8 sub as a combo, they work well together with a caveat. I was using the B1+ pair with an integrated amp for a few weeks before I added the S8 sub to my system. I was very happy with the B1+ pair but I wanted more sound on the bottom end. The S8 added the bass but the sound of the B1+ pair regressed when the sub was added. The midrange response receded and the overall bass response sounded a little exaggerated. The problem is that the crossover adjustment on the SE8 only goes down to 60Hz and the rated bottom end on the B1+ pair is 48Hz. This overlap between 48Hz and 60Hz for the B1+ pair and the S8 sub dramatically affected the overall output of the system. Originally I was using the integrated amp to drive the system, the SE8 sub was connected via the sub out on the amp. I resolved the issue by using the external DAC as a preamp and passing it's 2 channel output into the SE8 (instead of into AUX on the amp) and taking advantage of the high pass filter in that unit. The 2 channel output from the sub is passed into the 2 channel AUX input of the amp. The B1+ pair continued to be connected to the high level output of the amp. The cross over frequency, and, the high pass filter, on the SE8 sub were both set to 60Hz. No more overlap, the B1+ pair was getting sound 60Hz and above and the SE8 was getting sound below 60Hz. Once I set the gain on the sub to my taste the sound issues were resolved. No more exaggerated bass and the placement of the midrange was as expected. Plus the B1+ pair got an extra shot of energy by filtering out the frequencies below 60Hz. To summarize, the crossover frequency on the SE8 only goes down to 60Hz. This could adversely affect system sound output if there are other speakers in the system that go below 60Hz and it is not properly managed.
Yeah, that's common, room plays a big factor too. I've been dealing with that recently with a difference system but same problem. It would be nice if there were more adjustment options but at the end of the day for the price it's already so good I'm not sure they can add any more features and keep the price the same.
@@NemoPropaganda I actually called Emotiva when i ordered the sub to ask if the overlapping frequencies would be an issue and should I replace my integrated amp with a preamp - power amp combo. I got a lazy answer from the tech and they lost a sale. I was able to make a temporary fix with what I had on hand. I will upgrade the DAC/preamp and swap the integrated amp for a power amp. The most comprehensive solution would be to use a home theater preamp that does bass.management and automatic room EQ. But those cost more than I want to spend on a budget system.
@@keithjohnson2863 wow that's kind of a bummer, they're usually on top of it!! I will say room gain will make this problem very different from room to room so i could see the tech being a bit unsure but that could have been explained in a clear and concise way. if you're looking for a preamp with bass management check out the Parasound p6 is the most reasonably priced one i know of.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for your response. Iota makes the Iotavx AVX1 and Emotiva makes the MC-700. Both are around half the price of the Parasound P6. It would be cool if you could get review units and test the base management, room EQ and DAC capabilities of these units.
Hey Nemo I’m looking at a pair of b1+ and I’m just having a hard time because I don’t think I have enough power. I have a denon avr s650h and I plan to get something else eventually but is that enough? It’s 75 watts per channel I believe and I only do two channel. I don’t listen that loud and I plan on using a subwoofer, room is small to medium and I’m only about 10 feet from them when sitting. I had svs prime bookshelves that are 87 db efficient and I was not the happiest with the sound.
@@NemoPropaganda I picked them up on sale and I currently am playing gta v on them, they’re paired with an svs sb1000 and it’s a great budget 2 channel system. My avr has plenty of power for the emotivas. I wouldn’t have bought them if it wasn’t for you, z, and cheap audio. Couldn’t be happier for such a low price. They definitely shine with softer music that isn’t as bass heavy. You also did a review video of the Sonos ones a while back, I recently had those with a soundbar and a sub and I was fairly disappointed for the price so I returned them and went with emotiva and svs. Anyways figured I’d let you know yet another person has purchased a great product because of amazing review channels such as yours.
Good video....thanks....it's easy to make a good $1000 per pair speakers. It is VERY difficult to make an $229 per pair speakers.....way to go Emotiva.
B1+ can have a fuller sound depending on the room so I’d say it’s up to your personal taste. The SE8 is pretty darn good for the money and I consider that it’s natural mate :).
@@peterfernandezjr5914 you may like the REL Tzero then, I have not reviewed it yet but I have one here. It simply makes the speakers sound a little fuller almost as if they were simply a bit larger.
This video was reassuring in a way that most “budget” speaker reviews are not. Great point that both more money equals better stuff, but also that a line needs to be drawn somewhere, and these are excellent.
I love companies that just deliver hi fidelity for the average guy. Over the years components from B&K, Denon, PSB, ADS and NAD have occupied the stereo rack and brought me hours of enjoying great music. Now, Emotiva seems to be in this mold. We no longer hear "they sound great for the money", but just sound great without investing in your kid's college education. Looks like the hobby is getting in gear again.
Oh yeah, Emotiva is just great honestly. Like their TA-100 amp cannot be beat at it's price point. You have to spend at least $150 more (which is 38% more money) to get something better.
@@joeslacker1020 The Yamaha RS202 or Sony STR-DH190 are pretty damn good at $169. If you don't need a remote Emotiva's own A100 is as good as it gets for $229. If you want subwoofer output the Onkyo TX-8220 has that at $249 but I've never heard the Onkyo. The Cambridge Audio AXR85 at $400 is decent too, that's all I got for recommendations.
@@NemoPropaganda It would be pretty hard for an Onkyo to sound bad though right.. with that in mind it brings me to ask if you think it's a smoother amp that'll smooth out those highs on the B1+'s?
@@NemoPropaganda oh ok emotiva announced they have a new line of speakers to drop i cant wait to see what they gonna be .now I have the upgrade itch lol
@@NemoPropaganda setting on my onkyo tx rz50 it's a crossover setting. New to home theater stuff had soundbar before. So tons of settings that confuse me
@@skeletorfive5585 I don't really know much about theater settings but there is a Home Theater section in my free discord server if you want to hop in there and ask the guys, they have a ton of experience: Discord Link: discord.gg/3PkFQf4y6Z
Awesome review! I have an integrated DAC/AMP (Yamaha wxa 50) and passive speakers (PSB Imagine XB). I’m thinking of getting the Emotiva Flex S8. The amp does not have LFE or high pass crossover on it- so I assume I need to run from amp to sub, then sub to speakers? If I do it this way- it will be with speaker wire- not RCA inputs. Does this mean I lose the LFE and high pass crossover functions?
I'm not sure honestly, i would contact Emotiva to be sure as it depends on the internal circuitry. They're pretty good with tech questions! 1-615-790-6754
Great review. Is it common for a sub to have the passive radiator front firing with the active downward? Curious - if I am using this for music exclusively, would there be any benefit to putting it on it’s side and have the active woofer pointed forward??
I don't know the statistics on how many companies use this sort of configuration per se but I wouldn't call it an exotic design by any means. Most likely not, you could use REW to test your theory but I would trust that emotiva setup the driver arrangement in the way that was most effective. Aperion Audio uses a similar arrangement with their Bravus subwoofers and also uses the downward firing driver as the active but instead uses 2 passive radiators. REL on the other hand chooses the front driver as the active unit and the downward as the passive so my guess is it just doesn't matter all that much but you can certainly experiment :).
Hey just wanted to say thanks for the tips on the xover frequency on the SE8 sub. I have these same components and am using a small desktop amp and was struggling to find the sweetspot on the xover. Turns out the sub integrates better when the xover is set low.
Glad it helped :). All the way down on this sub is okay as that’s still 60hz. Most of the time i cross over even lower but on the SE8 all the way down was perfect for me :)
Nemo, how do you rate these against the Sony CSS5s? Emotiva was out of stock until today . I ordered the Sonys about 10 days ago - returnable to Amazon.
Mmm i have not heard the sony. Have you asked @cheapaudioman ? My understanding is the Sony are fantastic in that $100-$175 range but I would imagine the Emotiva is a step up.
@@NemoPropaganda Just to post further comments.... I have the Sonys (ordered a couple weeks ago), and now just received the B1+s . The Emotivas are little more Punchy than the Sonys... However, the Sonys are really good at $148 !! I;m "testing"them both now. I have a SW in my system - Monoprice 60 Watt , works great at $90 on Amazon. Check that out. I'll let you know as I Test them further. FYI, I use both a Denon DRA-800H Receiver (for stereo 2.1 channel only right now), and a IOTA SA3 comboed with a Emotiva A-300 Amp. BTW, I did check with Randy - The cheapaudioman... He is a Pisser. You deliver good honest info and appreciate it. Good Wishes, Be well.
@@SamLGND no, you need a preamp and power amp to use that feature. But worry not, I didn't use that feature so my entire review of this subwoofer is based on the way you are going to use it :).
Hey Nemo, great content! You hinted how you were able to get back into the hobby after personal setbacks. Maybe you can produce some content about your journey, "The Way Back" lol. What are some aspects in the hobby you recommend people should prioritize as their budget and knowledge expands? You clearly still care about the budget gear, but decided to continue to upgrade significantly for those incremental improvements.
@@NemoPropaganda thank you very much for the reply..as of now I am about to get into home theater for the first time.. So bit confused.. Jamo is from Klipsch. Jamo is towards lower end
@@JagadeeshPolepalli Thank you bro, yeah for the money they are really hard to beat and the build quality makes me feel like these will last at least like 10 years.
HI there, Great Review! Would you recommend Airmotiv S8 vs KANTO SUB 8 vs POLK AUDIO HTS 10? They are all similarly priced in my region, except S8 being $50 CAD higher.
@@NemoPropaganda yeah I got the Airmotiv S8 and it's a beast. For my average sized dorm room it shakes everything up at 60% while still being very clean. Thank you for your reply.
One reason I'm really considering the Airmotiv S8 is its high-pass RCA output, so that I can consider pre- and power amps that don't include bass management of any kind for my new 2-channel system. Do you know of any other subs that cost less than, say, $750, that include that type of high-pass outputs?
Maybe I missed it, but was there any thoughts on how well the sub fills out the sound. Does it accomplish this without drawing attention to itself? Does it need to be cut off for some genres, or is it musical enough to be left on all the time?
The sub fills in the sound really good, simply put it's the best subwoofer you can buy for a measly $300. I never felt like I needed to turn it off. I could only see that happening if the it's out of phase or running gain way too high. Setup properly you simply can't do better for the money. This is my only recommendation at this price.
Good review, I’ve got the B1+ and the Airmotiv 8’sub for my desktop system, paired with an Emotiva A-100 amp ... sounds awesome! This saying is probably used way too much, but this set-up punches well above its price point.
@@justinsugay1149 every room is different, if you can the easiest way is to use the subwoofers built in bass management, that way you will have a perfect crossover :)
@@NemoPropaganda that makes sense and I appreciate you taking time to respond. My office is set up with these speakers and I'm picking up a couple of Klipsch R -12SWs today at a really good deal. Sometimes I'll be watching Netflix and other times when I'm listening to music I like to listen to some Hip-hop, Rock, EDM & Alternative Rock music and I'm trying to think conceptually. So, these Emotiva Airmotive B1 pluses can go as low as 48 Hertz but I'm not sure if there's a setting that would be ideal for the kind of music I listen to and when I'm watching movies. I'm using the Yamaha TSR 700 as my receiver for a really low budget to channel setup but overkill for a desktop setup I think and I'm pretty happy with it so far and I'm looking forward to adding the subs today. I'll try your recommendation first but if conceptually you may give me a tip on where to go with that that would be great. nonetheless I appreciate your reviews and it was this that actually got me to purchase the emotiva full range speakers and I was set on the sub as well but an OfferUp search has led me to go with a pair of Klipsch's even though I know their subs aren't the best it just fits my budget really well and is a bit cheaper than the emotiva sub even as a pair not brand new but open boxed. total overkill for my setup but I don't think it's going to hurt!
@@justinsugay1149 phase is the most important thing to get right first, then frequency and volume I wish there was an easier way but you just have to fiddle with them via trial and error.
60hz in my room, mostly straight out with a tiny bit of toe in. Toe in to your preference though, it’ll just become a bit sharper the more you toe it in. I like it smoother but thats just me :)
I need a temporary sub to hold me over while I'm in a small space, have an eye on the S8. But I hear that downfiring sounds sloppy. Thoughts on laying it on its side with the radiator and driver open to the room?
@@NemoPropaganda well I'm buying a pair of them tonight with a ta 100 for desk use, loved your reviews, and Emotiva has a killer deal going right now with $30 off if you subscribe to texts and then 30% off your next purchase. So doing a ta100 and s8, then another S8. If I really dig the subs I might add 2 more as I evolve this desk system. In a smaller space right now, have nice speakers laying around but no amp at the moment, and no sub. Enter Emotiva, or re enter, I've bought lots of their gear.
It doesn't bottom out, just the limiter cut out the lowest frequencies. Intro to Put On by young jeezy, Alquimia by different heaven, and i can't remember the third one but If You by Skrux is another good one.
Thank you for these reviews. You got me thinking about these Emotivas. I just bought the Sonos Shadows from Costco. The sound is meh. But having wireless is important. Do you ever use adapters to make the system wireless? Curious for your thoughts. Thanks man.
Nice review. I always prefer it when reviewers don't pull stuff out of their *ss to say just to be saying something. However, I do wish you'd have compared them to the Buchardts (or something). It makes it easier to understand where you're coming from when you compare them to your tried and true. I doubt anyone would've considered it a knock on either product.
really really old, like 5 years... hahahahaha... the dcms (10" 3 way towers) in my family room must be ancient at nearly 25 years old and still sound better than most of the newer stuff if heard
0:25 why f-bombs on simple product reviews?? doesn't add credibility or cool factor. Need to consider and respect all audience who don't see the f-bombs coming and don't need to hear that. Assume this could be a great channel I'd enjoy otherwise.
Really want to know the reason? It's done periodically and intentionally to filter out the overly sensitive and toxic personality types that are so selfish they make everything about them.
James I must admit I'm a bit perplexed by your comment. It seems you believe I'm a simpleton who speaks in some default manner without a thought given to appearances or presentation. Your comment of "please learn" indicates that you think my attitude is for lack of knowledge or vocabulary. I would say that makes you a bit arrogant & judgmental, you should perhaps learn to improve that. This is my YT channel, which means I will express myself the way I am happy with. There are plenty of people that swear often or may even have a poor vocabulary but are in fact highly intelligent and astonishingly successful like Gary Vaynerchuck. If you don't like my approach I politely ask you to fuck off. Of course if we can grow up a bit and learn that a way a man chooses to speak is his personal choice and you can accept that simple fact you certainly are welcome to stay. I don't care either way but it is a bit silly to judge human beings on their choice in vocabulary or mastery of a particular language.
@@NemoPropaganda You need not fear. I won’t be clicking on any future videos of yours. I didn’t insinuate you somehow lacked intelligence or vocabulary. I simply decried the fact that you didn’t even speak two whole sentences before peppering in profanity. You are correct that the way a man speaks is his personal choice, but you must also accept that it is a projection of yourself and it therefore has a direct correlation to how you are perceived by others. “Growing up a bit” also implies self mastery, and crude verbal expressions are hardly the epitome of refined self-expression. But, alas, as you said, that’s your choice and you won’t hear from me again.
That’s why it’s called a “review” and not a “sound demo”. Maybe you should try searching “sound demo”. You have a brain for a reason, try using it buddy.
@@NemoPropaganda Yea :)..no problem ..I just like when guy like you play some music adtr talking , not only talknig.. this is nice .even when music is only 15-20 sec..... thats new product..and nobody plays..only talkig..shame
@@szmeros1644 okay I understand but the problem is youtube will flag videos for copyright if we play music even 15-20 seconds so that's why it's not very common. Also personally I don't think sound demo's are accurate or meaningful unless the entire room is dedicated to sound demos with very expensive gear and then still it's only useful in comparing to other items and still not very accurate.
How did you connect these? What if you have a vintage amp with no sub out?
if the subwoofer has speaker level inputs you can just use that, if the subwoofer doesn't then use this: ruclips.net/video/rQeYdz7vKqQ/видео.htmlsi=QmuaYuzjyraI6cmx
Hi there, I was thinking of buying b2+ to pair with Rotel A12, but I after watching your review I am confused about the speakers. Could you please suggest some good alternatives musical bookshelf speakers only for stereo purpose. Thanks in advance.
Heco Aurora 300, Klipsch R50m, Emotiva B1+, those are my main recommendations around $300-$400
How would I connect a pair of powered bookshelf speakers with a sub out to the Line level outputs so I can use the High Pass Crossover ?
that would be an odd way to do it, you'd need a pre-amp which kind of defeats the purpose of powered speakers but you can go preamp out to the sub then lineout from the sub to the powered speakers. You could also use a bludsound node 2 which has highpass options so you can use any sub with that. I think using the bluesound makes more sense.
@@NemoPropaganda will it only work a amp/preamp? What if I use an EQ ? Like my Tv to the Bellari EQ570, then the Bellari to the input of the sub, then the line out of the subs to my powered bookshelf speakers, any idea if that’ll work? Anyways thanks for the response 🤘🏼
@@chris_520x4 mmmm, it might work if your tv has analog outputs but I'm not 100% sure.
I’m grateful you addressed the sub paired w/the B1’s. Great review👊🏼😎
How about for home theater? How do they perform?
yes absolutely!
Hey there! Thanks for this video and for including so much detail. What stands are you using for the B1+?
Hi Chris. Those ones are Skylan SP-27. Fantastic stands. Glad you enjoyed the vid!
You're the man, Nemo. The bit at the end about budgets was super helpful too. Easy to spiral with so many options.
@@TheLastStarfighter1103 oh yes, the obsession is the hardest part of any hobby.
Getting back into stereo music. Ended up getting an Emotiva 2.1 system: B1+ bookshelf speakers, SE8 sub, and BASX TA1 integrated amp. Originally was going to get the Denon PE600 but Emotiva gives 20% back in Emotiva $ so the BASX TA1 ended up being less expensive than the Denon! Free shipping from Franklin TN was about 2-3 days from day of order since I live about 100 miles away. So far love the great accuracy and imaging - being able to pick out every instrument and location.
Nice! I did something similar about 10 years ago when I was getting back into audio, I had a smaller budget but also started with Emotiva, best decision I ever made, they're gear is great!
What do you mean by them giving 20% back? Interested in this
@@Scottyhallberg I bought the speakers first and they gave me 20% credit toward future purchases. Used the $ toward the TA1 amp
Thanks for the update it really helps out brother
anytime!
Awesome review! So for roughly $1,000.00, you can get a nice system, just add a streamer & cables. The way you break things down, using common sense, is fantastic.
Great review, as always!!!
Thank you!! Yes exactly, you can get into some great gear these days for a reasonable price. If you don't play all that loud you can do it for even less, these speakers are $249, the sub is $300, you can use an Arylic A50 amp that has a built in streamer for $189 and your grand total is $738 though I suppose you'd need some speaker stands too but you can find those for as little as $129 or so.
@@NemoPropaganda What's a streamer?
@@joeslacker1020 a streamer is a device usually a small box that lets you play music off the internet like pandora, tidal, spotify, etc...
@@NemoPropaganda Oh I thought if you had spotify on your computer and ran the speakers from your computer it would work, not true then?
@@joeslacker1020 that works too, not everyone has a computer in the room where they listen to music.
Hi Nemo, just now getting around to checking out the sub series reviews. "The system as a whole is just incredibly enjoyable"! Now that's a great summary of a system design that end users don't hear enough about. It always comes down to total system configuration and synergy over the individual parts which in the end either makes it engaging and FUN or not so much.
As best as I can determine from your review here, the B1+ and S8 pairing is probably going to outperform many or most pair of speakers in the $500-600 price range. One thing that caught my attention is the paring really does not take up a whole lotta space either. These Emotiva products seem to be the kind that a user is able to plug into, play away, have loads of fun with, while letting go of all that audiophile OCD crap. I've never owned any Emo speakers but am now gonna have to truly consider getting this B1+ and S8 pair.
Thanks Nemo!
Yeah the S8 with B1 pairing will outperform any $500-$600 speaker only option in overall performance. Granted a $500-$600 speaker only option might have better integration between the drivers and be slightly better here or there but there but if we're talking full range sound i don't think anything can best this combination at this price point for overall performance vs value. Emotiva also just released a 12" version of that sub for just $100 more, I'm going to email them begging for a review sample :D
You'll be Happy, I love mines!!. I'm running two ten inch sub's with mines!!🔊🔊👍💯
I feel the same. I don’t need more speakers, but I feel compelled to try the Emotiva speakers. I have heard so many people praise them at price point & beyond. I like the pairing w/sub. Personally, I prefer to run a smaller sub w/smaller bookshelves.
Hello 👋🏼 nice videos well spoken and clear to detail. Thanks
Which would you recommend these or the SVS satellite speaker. I just upgraded to the SVS PB-1000 Pro dual and looking to upgrade front and rear and center speaker.
Thank you 🙏🏼🔊✌🏼
I’m replacing my Bose Jewel double cube front and rear center was Bose v-10
These are bigger so will sound fuller, the SVS are smaller so they will can be hidden away easier, it just depends on what is more important to you.
Bro, I love your reviews and your delivery. Just got my RSL Speedwoofer been running it with various mains including Polk LSI’s B&W 607 and some old school Infinity 363 towers which for the 250 I paid are just absolutely insanely good. The RSL is great, I run two SVS SB2000’s usually but the Speedwoofer sound as good or better. Your vids inspired me to get the RSL and breakout the old Infinity’s out of their boxes in the garage. Next up is a bigger sub, still deciding and combing thru your reviews. Oh, added a 2:channel Denon integrated for music. Might try that Yamaha for shits and giggles. Thx for the inspiration bro.
hell yeah brother, I'm glad you took a chance on the RSL, it's kind of incredible how good it is for the money :D
I am using B1+ pair and S8 sub as a combo, they work well together with a caveat. I was using the B1+ pair with an integrated amp for a few weeks before I added the S8 sub to my system. I was very happy with the B1+ pair but I wanted more sound on the bottom end. The S8 added the bass but the sound of the B1+ pair regressed when the sub was added. The midrange response receded and the overall bass response sounded a little exaggerated. The problem is that the crossover adjustment on the SE8 only goes down to 60Hz and the rated bottom end on the B1+ pair is 48Hz. This overlap between 48Hz and 60Hz for the B1+ pair and the S8 sub dramatically affected the overall output of the system. Originally I was using the integrated amp to drive the system, the SE8 sub was connected via the sub out on the amp. I resolved the issue by using the external DAC as a preamp and passing it's 2 channel output into the SE8 (instead of into AUX on the amp) and taking advantage of the high pass filter in that unit. The 2 channel output from the sub is passed into the 2 channel AUX input of the amp. The B1+ pair continued to be connected to the high level output of the amp. The cross over frequency, and, the high pass filter, on the SE8 sub were both set to 60Hz. No more overlap, the B1+ pair was getting sound 60Hz and above and the SE8 was getting sound below 60Hz. Once I set the gain on the sub to my taste the sound issues were resolved. No more exaggerated bass and the placement of the midrange was as expected. Plus the B1+ pair got an extra shot of energy by filtering out the frequencies below 60Hz.
To summarize, the crossover frequency on the SE8 only goes down to 60Hz. This could adversely affect system sound output if there are other speakers in the system that go below 60Hz and it is not properly managed.
Yeah, that's common, room plays a big factor too. I've been dealing with that recently with a difference system but same problem. It would be nice if there were more adjustment options but at the end of the day for the price it's already so good I'm not sure they can add any more features and keep the price the same.
@@NemoPropaganda I actually called Emotiva when i ordered the sub to ask if the overlapping frequencies would be an issue and should I replace my integrated amp with a preamp - power amp combo. I got a lazy answer from the tech and they lost a sale. I was able to make a temporary fix with what I had on hand. I will upgrade the DAC/preamp and swap the integrated amp for a power amp.
The most comprehensive solution would be to use a home theater preamp that does bass.management and automatic room EQ. But those cost more than I want to spend on a budget system.
@@keithjohnson2863 wow that's kind of a bummer, they're usually on top of it!! I will say room gain will make this problem very different from room to room so i could see the tech being a bit unsure but that could have been explained in a clear and concise way. if you're looking for a preamp with bass management check out the Parasound p6 is the most reasonably priced one i know of.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for your response. Iota makes the Iotavx AVX1 and Emotiva makes the MC-700. Both are around half the price of the Parasound P6. It would be cool if you could get review units and test the base management, room EQ and DAC capabilities of these units.
@@keithjohnson2863 Hey Keith, I'm not sure either of those units have bass management :(
Hey Nemo I’m looking at a pair of b1+ and I’m just having a hard time because I don’t think I have enough power. I have a denon avr s650h and I plan to get something else eventually but is that enough? It’s 75 watts per channel I believe and I only do two channel. I don’t listen that loud and I plan on using a subwoofer, room is small to medium and I’m only about 10 feet from them when sitting. I had svs prime bookshelves that are 87 db efficient and I was not the happiest with the sound.
50w rms is enough for the b1+ and they’re still on sale for 2 more days.
@@NemoPropaganda I picked them up on sale and I currently am playing gta v on them, they’re paired with an svs sb1000 and it’s a great budget 2 channel system. My avr has plenty of power for the emotivas. I wouldn’t have bought them if it wasn’t for you, z, and cheap audio. Couldn’t be happier for such a low price. They definitely shine with softer music that isn’t as bass heavy. You also did a review video of the Sonos ones a while back, I recently had those with a soundbar and a sub and I was fairly disappointed for the price so I returned them and went with emotiva and svs. Anyways figured I’d let you know yet another person has purchased a great product because of amazing review channels such as yours.
@@Ozzypants2020 Hey Curry thank you for the update bro, I'm happy its working out well for ya!!!
Good video....thanks....it's easy to make a good $1000 per pair speakers. It is VERY difficult to make an $229 per pair speakers.....way to go Emotiva.
Very true!
I like that you admit to your OCD. I bought B1+, and am curious. I have an old pair of B&W 601 S2s, and am curious is they will compete with them.
hmmm, an old good speaker is still a good speaker :)
@@NemoPropaganda I've had the B&Ws for a very long time, and they're lovely.
I just found out that Emotiva ships to Canada for free now. That puts these high up on my list (among some other products they have).
Did you or are you going to review the Emotiva B2+ speakers?
I have a pair on the way.
For 2 channel music, do you recommend adding a small sub to my B1+ ? I do live in a condo and don't want to annoy my neighbors.
B1+ can have a fuller sound depending on the room so I’d say it’s up to your personal taste. The SE8 is pretty darn good for the money and I consider that it’s natural mate :).
@@NemoPropaganda My listening room is only 11 by 11 ft. A sub may be overkill. As much as I like bass, I don't want it dominating the sound I get.
@@peterfernandezjr5914 you may like the REL Tzero then, I have not reviewed it yet but I have one here. It simply makes the speakers sound a little fuller almost as if they were simply a bit larger.
This video was reassuring in a way that most “budget” speaker reviews are not. Great point that both more money equals better stuff, but also that a line needs to be drawn somewhere, and these are excellent.
Thank's Chris! I still use these badboys daily upstairs in my bedroom system. I'm happy you enjoyed the review :)
The compact size of the B1+ appeals to me. Easy to move around and store when you are always taking down and putting up your speakers.
Indeed! I can't imagine running this channel if it was all tower speakers. That would be such a nightmare.
I love companies that just deliver hi fidelity for the average guy. Over the years components from B&K, Denon, PSB, ADS and NAD have occupied the stereo rack and brought me hours of enjoying great music. Now, Emotiva seems to be in this mold. We no longer hear "they sound great for the money", but just sound great without investing in your kid's college education. Looks like the hobby is getting in gear again.
Oh yeah, Emotiva is just great honestly. Like their TA-100 amp cannot be beat at it's price point. You have to spend at least $150 more (which is 38% more money) to get something better.
@@NemoPropaganda Do you know of a great amp around 300 or less that pairs well with these emotiva airmotiv b1+'s?
@@joeslacker1020 The Yamaha RS202 or Sony STR-DH190 are pretty damn good at $169. If you don't need a remote Emotiva's own A100 is as good as it gets for $229. If you want subwoofer output the Onkyo TX-8220 has that at $249 but I've never heard the Onkyo. The Cambridge Audio AXR85 at $400 is decent too, that's all I got for recommendations.
@@NemoPropaganda It would be pretty hard for an Onkyo to sound bad though right.. with that in mind it brings me to ask if you think it's a smoother amp that'll smooth out those highs on the B1+'s?
@@NemoPropaganda Hey man do you know if there's anywhere that even sells the A100 emotiva? Their website had a closeout now they don't sell em anymore
The off axis on those and the towers are off the chart good
I just plop down and stay in the same spot as my room is a bit small but that's really good to know!!
@@NemoPropagandaok cool but for some reason I would like to upgrade the crossover to the t1+ crossover
@@chriswelljack4910 i wouldn't, i had both the b1 and b1+ at the same time and the difference was so small i wasn't sure if it was in my head or not.
@@NemoPropaganda oh ok emotiva announced they have a new line of speakers to drop i cant wait to see what they gonna be .now I have the upgrade itch lol
@@chriswelljack4910 really? can you post a link? I'm curious now :)
What do you reccomend setting B1+ hz to?
what do you mean? Are you using a high pass filter or something?
@@NemoPropaganda setting on my onkyo tx rz50 it's a crossover setting. New to home theater stuff had soundbar before. So tons of settings that confuse me
@@skeletorfive5585 I don't really know much about theater settings but there is a Home Theater section in my free discord server if you want to hop in there and ask the guys, they have a ton of experience: Discord Link: discord.gg/3PkFQf4y6Z
80 hz is probably the most commonly used and will blend nicely with most subwoofer/satellite systems. Higher crossover for smaller speakers.
Awesome review!
I have an integrated DAC/AMP (Yamaha wxa 50) and passive speakers (PSB Imagine XB). I’m thinking of getting the Emotiva Flex S8.
The amp does not have LFE or high pass crossover on it- so I assume I need to run from amp to sub, then sub to speakers?
If I do it this way- it will be with speaker wire- not RCA inputs. Does this mean I lose the LFE and high pass crossover functions?
I'm not sure honestly, i would contact Emotiva to be sure as it depends on the internal circuitry. They're pretty good with tech questions! 1-615-790-6754
Thank you for the great video!! What are your though on pairing this with the Emotiva A-300? I have that with an the TA-100 pre-amp...thoughts?
Yes you’re right it is the PT-100. How do you compare these to the RP-500M from Klipsch.
Great review. Is it common for a sub to have the passive radiator front firing with the active downward? Curious - if I am using this for music exclusively, would there be any benefit to putting it on it’s side and have the active woofer pointed forward??
I don't know the statistics on how many companies use this sort of configuration per se but I wouldn't call it an exotic design by any means. Most likely not, you could use REW to test your theory but I would trust that emotiva setup the driver arrangement in the way that was most effective. Aperion Audio uses a similar arrangement with their Bravus subwoofers and also uses the downward firing driver as the active but instead uses 2 passive radiators. REL on the other hand chooses the front driver as the active unit and the downward as the passive so my guess is it just doesn't matter all that much but you can certainly experiment :).
Great review. Subbed. Can you run 2 of those subs from the yamaha rd 202 you spoke of? If so how?
Yes! You would use the B speaker set ouput on the RS202 to the high level inputs on each Emotiva SE8 Sub.
@@NemoPropaganda Ahhh sooo
I want to know if the bass is good enough for a small room. Im limited to space for a sub....
Hi Abash, yes it's very good, I still highly recommend this setup!
Hey just wanted to say thanks for the tips on the xover frequency on the SE8 sub. I have these same components and am using a small desktop amp and was struggling to find the sweetspot on the xover. Turns out the sub integrates better when the xover is set low.
Glad it helped :). All the way down on this sub is okay as that’s still 60hz. Most of the time i cross over even lower but on the SE8 all the way down was perfect for me :)
Nemo, how do you rate these against the Sony CSS5s? Emotiva was out of stock until today . I ordered the Sonys about 10 days ago - returnable to Amazon.
Mmm i have not heard the sony. Have you asked @cheapaudioman ? My understanding is the Sony are fantastic in that $100-$175 range but I would imagine the Emotiva is a step up.
@@NemoPropaganda Just to post further comments.... I have the Sonys (ordered a couple weeks ago), and now just received the B1+s . The Emotivas are little more Punchy than the Sonys... However, the Sonys are really good at $148 !! I;m "testing"them both now. I have a SW in my system - Monoprice 60 Watt , works great at $90 on Amazon. Check that out. I'll let you know as I Test them further. FYI, I use both a Denon DRA-800H Receiver (for stereo 2.1 channel only right now), and a IOTA SA3 comboed with a Emotiva A-300 Amp.
BTW, I did check with Randy - The cheapaudioman... He is a Pisser. You deliver good honest info and appreciate it. Good Wishes, Be well.
@@Chiroman527 Hey Aldo, thanks for the update! I have a feeling you'll keep the emos :)
Will the emotiva sub work well with the Kanto TUK which are active speakers
Yes! You would just use a single RCA cable sub out.
@@NemoPropaganda would i still be able to use the subs unique features with the Kanto Tuks?
@@SamLGND no, you need a preamp and power amp to use that feature. But worry not, I didn't use that feature so my entire review of this subwoofer is based on the way you are going to use it :).
Thank you man , i appreciate it.
at the 16:55 mark, you say for $100 you can do better, but what else is better overall?--so $399
for another $100 you can get the 12" version the SE12 or something like the Aperion Bravus 8D, RSL Speedwoofer, etc...
Hey Nemo, great content! You hinted how you were able to get back into the hobby after personal setbacks. Maybe you can produce some content about your journey, "The Way Back" lol. What are some aspects in the hobby you recommend people should prioritize as their budget and knowledge expands? You clearly still care about the budget gear, but decided to continue to upgrade significantly for those incremental improvements.
I also would love to hear how he built a system from nothing on a budget.
How does that stack up against Jamo bookshelf speakers
Sorry I have not heard Jamo :(
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thank you very much for the reply..as of now I am about to get into home theater for the first time.. So bit confused..
Jamo is from Klipsch. Jamo is towards lower end
One thing is clear from your video that these speakers are dam good.. This is clear..
@@JagadeeshPolepalli Thank you bro, yeah for the money they are really hard to beat and the build quality makes me feel like these will last at least like 10 years.
@@NemoPropaganda great.. These are very close to my budget.. Will certainly consider these to pair with SVS pb1000 and Deanon X1600H
Great video, very detailed!
What is this digital tape measure you speak of?! I need one of those. Oh, and I just ordered my B1+'s today. Looking forward to hearing them!
Awesome, i hope it's a great fit for you! If you search amazon for digital tape measure you'll see tons of them, i bought one of the DTAPE models.
HI there, Great Review! Would you recommend Airmotiv S8 vs KANTO SUB 8 vs POLK AUDIO HTS 10? They are all similarly priced in my region, except S8 being $50 CAD higher.
@@NemoPropaganda yeah I got the Airmotiv S8 and it's a beast. For my average sized dorm room it shakes everything up at 60% while still being very clean. Thank you for your reply.
One reason I'm really considering the Airmotiv S8 is its high-pass RCA output, so that I can consider pre- and power amps that don't include bass management of any kind for my new 2-channel system. Do you know of any other subs that cost less than, say, $750, that include that type of high-pass outputs?
All I want to know is how does it do Vader's force grip?
I find your lack of faith disturbing...
Maybe I missed it, but was there any thoughts on how well the sub fills out the sound. Does it accomplish this without drawing attention to itself? Does it need to be cut off for some genres, or is it musical enough to be left on all the time?
The sub fills in the sound really good, simply put it's the best subwoofer you can buy for a measly $300. I never felt like I needed to turn it off. I could only see that happening if the it's out of phase or running gain way too high. Setup properly you simply can't do better for the money. This is my only recommendation at this price.
Good review, I’ve got the B1+ and the Airmotiv 8’sub for my desktop system, paired with an Emotiva A-100 amp ... sounds awesome! This saying is probably used way too much, but this set-up punches well above its price point.
That really is a great combination, i have the A100/b1+ combination in my bedroom still to this day :)
What crossover setting do you recommend?
@@justinsugay1149 every room is different, if you can the easiest way is to use the subwoofers built in bass management, that way you will have a perfect crossover :)
@@NemoPropaganda that makes sense and I appreciate you taking time to respond. My office is set up with these speakers and I'm picking up a couple of Klipsch R -12SWs today at a really good deal. Sometimes I'll be watching Netflix and other times when I'm listening to music I like to listen to some Hip-hop, Rock, EDM & Alternative Rock music and I'm trying to think conceptually. So, these Emotiva Airmotive B1 pluses can go as low as 48 Hertz but I'm not sure if there's a setting that would be ideal for the kind of music I listen to and when I'm watching movies. I'm using the Yamaha TSR 700 as my receiver for a really low budget to channel setup but overkill for a desktop setup I think and I'm pretty happy with it so far and I'm looking forward to adding the subs today. I'll try your recommendation first but if conceptually you may give me a tip on where to go with that that would be great. nonetheless I appreciate your reviews and it was this that actually got me to purchase the emotiva full range speakers and I was set on the sub as well but an OfferUp search has led me to go with a pair of Klipsch's even though I know their subs aren't the best it just fits my budget really well and is a bit cheaper than the emotiva sub even as a pair not brand new but open boxed. total overkill for my setup but I don't think it's going to hurt!
@@justinsugay1149 phase is the most important thing to get right first, then frequency and volume I wish there was an easier way but you just have to fiddle with them via trial and error.
So would you cross over the B1+ at 60 or 80hz and some toe in or straight ahead?
60hz in my room, mostly straight out with a tiny bit of toe in. Toe in to your preference though, it’ll just become a bit sharper the more you toe it in. I like it smoother but thats just me :)
I need a temporary sub to hold me over while I'm in a small space, have an eye on the S8. But I hear that downfiring sounds sloppy. Thoughts on laying it on its side with the radiator and driver open to the room?
@@NemoPropaganda well I'm buying a pair of them tonight with a ta 100 for desk use, loved your reviews, and Emotiva has a killer deal going right now with $30 off if you subscribe to texts and then 30% off your next purchase. So doing a ta100 and s8, then another S8. If I really dig the subs I might add 2 more as I evolve this desk system. In a smaller space right now, have nice speakers laying around but no amp at the moment, and no sub. Enter Emotiva, or re enter, I've bought lots of their gear.
Just ordered a pair!
What are the 3 songs that cause it to bottom out--now I wanted to test them with my sub :)
It doesn't bottom out, just the limiter cut out the lowest frequencies. Intro to Put On by young jeezy, Alquimia by different heaven, and i can't remember the third one but If You by Skrux is another good one.
@@NemoPropaganda "hypnotized" by jeezy is another great slam test. Lol. Got that sB200 pro in the other day. Cant wait to set it up
@@chriscoleman9068 okay cool I'll check it out! Enjoy the 2000 bro, it's a great sub!! Don't hesitate to call SVS if you need help setting it up.
On the emotiva b1+ can I screw in brackets to hang them on the wall
There is no hole but the cabinet is very heavy duty so you can make your own hole if you're comfortable with that.
Thank you for these reviews. You got me thinking about these Emotivas. I just bought the Sonos Shadows from Costco. The sound is meh. But having wireless is important. Do you ever use adapters to make the system wireless? Curious for your thoughts. Thanks man.
$50 50W Fosi Bluetooth amp can drive these very well
Nice review. I always prefer it when reviewers don't pull stuff out of their *ss to say just to be saying something. However, I do wish you'd have compared them to the Buchardts (or something). It makes it easier to understand where you're coming from when you compare them to your tried and true. I doubt anyone would've considered it a knock on either product.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for letting us know how they stack up against your reference - much appreciated!
The difference in density between quality MDF and HDF is about 10-15%. It’s not a huge value add. Great video otherwise.
Great content. I am the only person that says the term “fiddle-fuck” in my circles. So it was great to here someone else say it.
Ahahahaha thank you sir.
really really old, like 5 years... hahahahaha... the dcms (10" 3 way towers) in my family room must be ancient at nearly 25 years old and still sound better than most of the newer stuff if heard
0:25 why f-bombs on simple product reviews?? doesn't add credibility or cool factor. Need to consider and respect all audience who don't see the f-bombs coming and don't need to hear that. Assume this could be a great channel I'd enjoy otherwise.
Really want to know the reason? It's done periodically and intentionally to filter out the overly sensitive and toxic personality types that are so selfish they make everything about them.
@@NemoPropaganda funny - I was sure it was done out of lack of consideration, maturity and etiquette - but what do I know -- happy holidays!
@@guyb7005 oh no, a crybaby isn’t getting his way, waaaaaa!
Two sentences in and the F word. For heaven’s sake: please learn to express yourself in a more civilized manner.
James I must admit I'm a bit perplexed by your comment. It seems you believe I'm a simpleton who speaks in some default manner without a thought given to appearances or presentation. Your comment of "please learn" indicates that you think my attitude is for lack of knowledge or vocabulary. I would say that makes you a bit arrogant & judgmental, you should perhaps learn to improve that. This is my YT channel, which means I will express myself the way I am happy with. There are plenty of people that swear often or may even have a poor vocabulary but are in fact highly intelligent and astonishingly successful like Gary Vaynerchuck. If you don't like my approach I politely ask you to fuck off. Of course if we can grow up a bit and learn that a way a man chooses to speak is his personal choice and you can accept that simple fact you certainly are welcome to stay. I don't care either way but it is a bit silly to judge human beings on their choice in vocabulary or mastery of a particular language.
@@NemoPropaganda You need not fear. I won’t be clicking on any future videos of yours.
I didn’t insinuate you somehow lacked intelligence or vocabulary. I simply decried the fact that you didn’t even speak two whole sentences before peppering in profanity.
You are correct that the way a man speaks is his personal choice, but you must also accept that it is a projection of yourself and it therefore has a direct correlation to how you are perceived by others.
“Growing up a bit” also implies self mastery, and crude verbal expressions are hardly the epitome of refined self-expression. But, alas, as you said, that’s your choice and you won’t hear from me again.
@@PipeDreamerJacques Mission accomplished.
Wow ..0 music..only bla bla ..wow
That’s why it’s called a “review” and not a “sound demo”. Maybe you should try searching “sound demo”. You have a brain for a reason, try using it buddy.
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Yea :)..no problem ..I just like when guy like you play some music adtr talking , not only talknig.. this is nice .even when music is only 15-20 sec..... thats new product..and nobody plays..only talkig..shame
@@szmeros1644 okay I understand but the problem is youtube will flag videos for copyright if we play music even 15-20 seconds so that's why it's not very common. Also personally I don't think sound demo's are accurate or meaningful unless the entire room is dedicated to sound demos with very expensive gear and then still it's only useful in comparing to other items and still not very accurate.
Polk is better
At this price I disagree as that would be the Polk S15 but you are welcome to have your own opinion of course...
@@NemoPropaganda when you review the klipsh 600m
@@nathaneldogo i’m not sure i will.