Guys, keep in mind these have a 85% discharge efficiency, compared to a Lifepo4s 99%. I hope this will improve somehow in the future. These cost 150% more than capacity equivalent Lifepo4 batteries and are also heavier (I did a rough comparison below) BUT... these last 5x longer and have a 0 chance of fire hazard. So this will be perfect for a house. But Not good for something like a camper van or a plane yet.
Wrong. Do your testing. These have up to 99% efficiency. Yes, if you pull the advertised 10c, you get 85% of the capacity. Same for LiFePo4, if you take 10c cells and pull 10c, you won't get full capacity. The key feature here is they can withstand more abuse (higher temperature) than LFP so with the same internal resistance, more current can flow before the thermal limits are reached. Lishen 16A cells are crazy at this, they can deliver 800A(20c) constantly. The efficiency drops to 45%, so quick math says it can be discharged in 32,4 seconds. Try that 100 times with LFP.
They also had Leden Jars which Benjamin Franklin attempted to cook a turkey with (by electrocuting the turkey) ... and almost killed himself. They are an early predecessor of the capacitor.
Wow! a battery with a lifespan of a human. The batteries are big. They could be useful for utility scale solar; people who cares how long the battery lasts are gonna love them.
The capacity is lower on these cells 40ah @ 2.3v (92wh) Vs 40ah at 3.3v (132wh). Also, you could theoretically get 30,000 cycles from existing lithium batteries if you use a narrow range of the discharge curve (like 60-40%).
If they were really smart, they would use the same form factor as existing batteries thus showing a massive capacity improvement for the same space. All without making it more expensive to convert existing applications.
@@chesshooligan1282 lithium ION isn´t a battery chemistry. It´s the general name for all the different lithium chemistries. Lithium Nickel Cobalt Aluminum Oxide -is a lithium ION battery Lithium Iron Phosphate -is a lithium ION battery Lithium Cobalt Oxide -is a lithium ION battery Lithium Manganese Oxide -is a lithium ION battery Lithium Nickel Manganese Cobalt Oxide -is a lithium ION battery Lithium Titanate -is a lithium ION battery (The chemistry in this video) Source: batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/types_of_lithium_ion
@@ScinnerNo1 LiCoO2 is what most referring to 'lithium ion' mean as it's the overwhelming majority of chemistry used historically and even today in most devices. They're usually good for 0.5A to 3A per cell, and 1800-2400mAh in 18650 style cells at 3.6 to 4.2v peak and high volatility. LiPo is denser, usually good for 0.5 to 1A per cell and 2000-4000mAh for a small flat pack at 3.9 to 4.2v peak and VERY high volatility. LiMnCo, LiNiMnCo, NMC, and NCR batteries are newer and can handle up to 50A with 1200-2000mAh capacity at 4.1 to 4.3v peak in the 18650 and down sizes, and are reduced-volatility. LiFePO4 are can handle a range of 0.5 to 10A with 1500-2500mAh in smaller cells, at 3.4-3.6v peak and very low volatility. LTOs are powerhouses for amperage, handling usually 100-150 to as much as 500A at 2.4-3.0v, with the Ah around 15 to 40Ah. These are BIG cells tho.
@@janglur And I said that you shouldn't refer lithium ion to a special chemistry(not even LiCoO2) as it's a common name for ALL lithium chemistries. But thank you for the stats but you should try using C ratings instead, that way it's easier to compare chemistries .
@@wowulam7411 no, capacitors store electrical charges whereas batteries produce electricity from chemical energy which is why Capacitors are larger in Size and can handle much higher charge/ discharge rates than batteries.
how so? never seen a d-cell? or A-cell, aa-cell, aaa-cell? used to be most batteries were tubular. notice the poles are at either end. to look like a capacitor they would need both terminals on one end
If these batteries are anything like the specs list, this’ll be a game changer, even at 85% efficiency. If they’re anything close to 85% after 2k cycles, it’s basically game over to Li-ion. I’d love to grab some of these and throw them into a test rig for a month to see how they last
@@ryanroberts1104 They are really as good as promissed and almost impossible to wear out (even top battery researcher Jeff Dahn has mantioned it) but their main disadvantage is the extremely high cost. For 1 kWh capacity of LTO you can get 5 kWh or more of LiFePo4.
@@xhobv02 Then that means they don't last longer. If you get a 5kw battery, and only use the middle 1kw, any lithium chemistry will last nearly forever. Longer than LTO if the LTO is being fully or more deeply cycled.
Do you guys ship to USA? Edit: I have already tested LTO cells and did not like their cost/weight/discharge efficiency for solar. I was asking if they shipped to USA because I want their LiFePO4 cells and winston drop in model. That's all. LTO is great for car audio and a few other applications, but not for solar. The 20-30k cycles doesn't really matter for solar if cycled once a day because calendar aging will kill the cells first. So you are much better off buying LiFePO4, which are cheaper, will last just as long, more efficient, lighter etc. And finding a way to charge at 5-10c is very difficult, and for most applications, not that useful. Even if you find a way to charge these quickly, they are extremely heavy. Which is why you will never find a LTO car/ebike/scooter. Too many downsides. I made a whole video testing lto and was not impressed. Would avoid them for solar like the plague.
I found some on Alibaba, as well, searching for Yinlong 66160. There's also a 66260 which is longer, and 55 Ah. If I were in Europe I'd buy via GWL, but in the US perhaps you may want to gamble a bit and hit Alibaba up. The prices per battery is lower there too, not surprising considering shipping and European taxes.
@@04tb2 Good info. Price could be better, though. Getting the same cells from Alibaba could cut the price by as much as half, at least judging by the amounts I saw them quoting on the sites. Assuming you plan to buy 10+ units, anyway.
They are popular amongst the car audio community as their charging rate is fast allowing for less of a voltage drop. I have two banks of 6 35ah cells with a 320 amp alternator and my voltage only drops 0.6v with my system pulling about 8,000 watts rms. They are definitely not meant to be used without a constant supply of energy.
@@ferrarifast1429 They run at whatever voltage you arrange them in. Each cell has a max voltage of 2.8 volts, so with 5 cells in series you could charge them to a comfortable 14 volts. Assuming your alternator puts out 13.5 volts it leaves a comfortable .5 volt buffer from their max voltage.
Quite a bit % drop in voltage over the discharge cycle so power output will vary more than lipo or lifpo4 but I'll take that if it means they really last that amount of cycles, I'd love to see smaller cells for e-bikes too.
The claimed cycle capacity is impressive, but by the time you get one assembled at a useable voltage, its the same size as a comparable 40-50 Ah lead-acid deep cycle battery. Probably still good for backup power use if they are stable and handle cycling well, and a bit easier on the back to move.
@@dtesta Sadly most people won't sit through the whole video and it's meant as a cliff note to those people who would like to know that. Not every comment was meant for you.
Hmmm. only 2.3VDC at 40Ahr? That would take 170 cells in series to make 391VDC and 4 sets in parallel just to make a 60KWh for an electric car. 680 cells at $55 ea= $37,400. An OEM Battery is less and it is already assembled with an onboard BMS. Still a ways to go to be cost affective.
10C charging means ~ 6 minutes from empty to full. And 30K cycles means, well, forever for an EV. You wouldnt expect a battery with those abilities to cost the same as current ones.
Gonna be a hell of a day when they get these to under $40 per cell consistently. As it stands, they're just too expensive compared to alternatives unless they fit your needs specifically.
Wiki was also written by people. So who is right? Its amazing if those cells last for 30k cycles. Imagine you bought electric car and there no need to change the battery. But even 8k still impressive
@@voidex136 what. I think you mean no need to change the battery. Cycles have nothing to do with capacity. For home power or grid buffering, these could last decades.
wow! usable in -50c that's actually enough to be safe here year round. Just last month it got under -40c here so you can imagine it can be a problem. I think this is the only battery I've seen you can use in my part of the world without having to worry about temperature. Those other specs are quite impressive too
This isn’t new, though. LTO has existed for years already, but they are quite expensive in comparison with others, otherwise they’d be widely used in EVs since they have quite good characteristics, the only other disadvantage being the energy density.
@@honumoorea873 What do you mean with that? Are you referring to energy efficiency? Because I can't find anything about that on Google. Also, LTO is Li-ion as well, it just has a different anode chemistry, with titanium nanocrystals on its surface. Most batteries nowadays are either LCO (lithium cobalt oxide) or NMC (lithium nickel manganese cobalt oxide).
@@honumoorea873why care abt discharging when fast charging options are available,means u could charge at max speed bfr u finish ur coffee when mass producing battery prices will come down,for this shift to happen only tesla could make an initiate
@@GRBtutorials i am guessing they are and got the 85% figure from will prowse who did a video on them a while back, but since followed it up with an update indicating he may have been mis-sold grade B cells, hence the 85% figure. i think the grade a cells he managed to get hold of later pulled 99% efficiency. the real reason i would say these are not good for EVs is that they have really poor volumetric energy density and specific energy density. for a standard 5 door saloon type car youd probably need all of the trunk space and rear seating to be replaced with LTO cells to get any range lol, or so i would imagine. though interestingly it seems that the yinglong company that sells these cells actually distribute them to EV companies for use as minibuses and such, before after up to 10 years they redistribute them through retailers like GWL who made this video for use in stationary storage systems. i am not sure whether that is true as i dont think LTO chemistry has even been in use for that long, but that is the info i have read on diysolarforum, on the thread titled "LTO Grade A AliExpress cells", on the 6th post by Tobi17, so i would recommend you look it up yourself. i have yet to get in touch with GWL to find out exactly how new their yinlong cells are but i would be extremely upset to put down all that money just to learn i wasnt getting brand new cells
@@eowendyl after a few thousand cycles 85% will become 75.. 65.. 55 until it quickly becomes unbearable. Sure for very few applications the 20000 cycle life is a huge advantage but for the most it makes no sense.
@@christ7703 Hristos in reality it is like that - acid battery or lipo will be completely useless after 5 years (1500 cycles), but those will still hold lets say 65% ... so - not so bad.Even if they go down to 40% after 10 years (3.5-4k charges) it is again purrfect for offgrid, yes? This means that after 10 years you will have around 16Ah. Compare that to acid - after 10 years you will use 3rd set with already lowered capacity; or the mass-Li - you will use 2nd set again with already lowered capacity. Of course, the future sets of any kind are expected to be cheaper, so one have to do the math carefully.
@@drgrunn174 When you say lipo i assume you mean Lifepo4. In that case the cycle life is 3000 at 80% DOD. At that point capacity loss is only 20% which means that with proper usage they can last at least a decade. About the 50% discharge efficiency of the titanate ones at the end of their lifespan.. That doesn't mean only that someone has to install twice the capacity on batteries(and they're not cheap) but also in solar panels too.
A battery that theoretically lasts the lifetime of the vehicle...? Shhhhh....That kind of talk gets sketchy people from companies that shall not be named stopping by your house.
Sure it would work but keep in mind your alternator is "designed" (poorly) to charge Lead Acid (also poorly) and if you used it to charge a Lithium or NiMH cell it could overcurrent your alternator and burn the shit out of it. Lithium batteries basically charge like short circuits. You would be best to add some current limiting to it. It also may wear your starter motor as they're not actually designed to run at 12 volts (when they start your engine the battery voltage drops on lead acid, it wouldn't drop much at all on lithium)
I know this is a really old comment, but I saw a guy who had 160Ah pack of these cells at 15 volts, so 4 cells in parallel and 6 in series. He accidentally shorted the main positive and negative, which were high quality silver tinned 2/0 pure copper car audio wire, and the clamp meter was maxed out at 5000 amps. So a 6s4p pack of these cells easily put out over 5000 amps at around 14 volts. I've also seen these cells fully charged to 15.8v and the positive and negative were shorted with a big wrench in between the positive and negative as a resistor, and the cells melted the big wrench no problem. The wrench was nothing but a puddle of molten steel by the end of the test, and the cells were still perfectly fine and they operated normally with no damage or degradation.
Yeah but it doesn't seem like it has been available very consistently. I read somewhere that Yinlong had problems producing and that some batteries were repackaged from older stock or something, not sure, but it sounds like they're getting into the swing of things.
@@lorcro2000 the tech has been around since 2004 as far as I could see but wasn't really that viable at the time (due to manufacturing issues n stuff). It's basically like EV's: have been around for ages but wasn't commercially viable.
You are right, the actual technology has been around for a while now. The difference really comes to market availability and realiability, these need their time.
@GWL Power : And I want to add price have also a lot to do. Not as many persons look up at the long term, and besides new technology we have not that much experience about it. Medium term availability and prices are, I think, the sweet spot for this to raise.
4x2.3 is not 12 its 9.2. You need 6 for 13.8 ish that makes good for a 12v battery. I did some maths on the fly but might be wrong but I calculated these are 3 times more expensive than 18650 per kwh using a 48 volt series connection. Would need to work it out on paper to confirm if I'm right.
@@xpertcrush I wouldn't flat say its wrong, it depends on how you want to use or regulate the battery, at 5 your nominal voltage is bellow required voltage and this wastes some potential of the battery depending on use. Its easier to regulate excess voltage smoothly over boosting under volatge. That said if you never wanted the battery to drop below a high percentage it may be useful having only 5.
Can I just stick 2 of these in my electric scooter? Lord that would be amazing. Imagine sticking this in an off-road electric mountain bike, too or even one battery into a road bike. :D
@@talesoftheblueeyedindian2412 Yeah, after research, I realised lol. Do you reckon solid state batteries will make an appearance in 5-10 years? Would be cool
As brief clarification: Czech (European Union) company, represented by Czech person showing Chinese product. Consider Chinese producing absolute majority of world available batteries, there are no surprises to have. But our accent is indeed specific :)
Do these exist in the shape of sealed lead acid batteries, with battery management system against over- and undercharging? I'm currently using several UPS units with Yuasa NP18-12 batteries and I'm looking for a safe in-place replacement for these.
It does look like a very cool technology. Primarily, for people who are considering putting batteries in their mobile homes or van conversions, the fact that you can charge them even under -0c is a pretty big factor. What BMS would you recommend with these? Can the 123 SmartBMS be used?
Self build one to match the cells no point in getting Chineseium one they made for single cells and would take forever to balance .... look for balance charger some show cell resistance
123 SmartBMS is currently not supporting LTO, we have our own BMS made - www.ev-power.eu/Modular/ , this BMS will be commercially available this month. Also the SmartBMS is developing update to support LTO (ETA is sometime in 2020 though).
Any kind souls here have any end-user experience with these Yinlong LTO Cells? Any functional or operational issues?? On a side note, can they be charged by my roof-top PV?
Indeed that is exactly the intended operation of these. They work in tandem with super capacitor arrays for ups and regenerative braking systems. The combination also works nice for intermittent high drain solar as well.
@marthale7 I have purchased many items from China (USA can't supply) and have found that most Chinese companies are willing to bend over backwards to satisfy their customers. They should be emulated, not slandered.
When you pay premium price you got A grade product. Just image you need roughly 750k usd to buy a 900 SF apartment in Shenzhen, that explains everything.
If they make these in a thinner package that is say 20Ah or even 10Ah. With 6 wired in series you could make a nice little SLA replacement which will be lighter. Great for crazy car enthusiasts that chase every kg in weight reduction.
Afaik this is an old chemistry well known and used in the military. Its primary virtues is extreme ability to absorb charging, nearly the same properties as a capacitor. The power density however is way lower than other chemistries.
Way lower then what other chemistries to be exact? Perhaps the much more dangerous Lithium polymer? Beacause they look to have same energy density as LiFePo4 from what I see.
@@ScinnerNo1 like the nmc used in for instance tesla, or lifepo for that matte. But it still popular in many settings as its very good at rapid charging. There is quite few bus manufacturers that use them. But they seem to be losing out as the densitybisnt there to enable nightly charging. And the infrastructure for fast charging along the line is expensive. So the tco is way better for depot slow charging.
Thx! Thats what I wanted to know! Just saying that they have lower energy density doesn´t say much to me :) Allthough I don´t think that GWL (the company behind this video) is going for the EV market. And I think LTO has its place(not in EV´s) even with a lower energy density.
Not at the moment you would need to design your own charging circuit once you've built that then you can research tying it to mppt config's or otherwise
@@igormorozov6801 motorcycle - nope, most are 12-14-16 Ah for acidic and 3-5-9Ah for Li variants ... but maybe snowscoot, or powerboat? And cars, of course. The main aspects are not touched, though - how it behaves depending from the temperature, and depending of the speed of charge (i.e. how many Amps it can gulp without overheating).
@@drgrunn174 yeah, for cold and long winters in Russia using lithium battery for cars and other vehicles is a big open question. When the most part of power will just to heat salon of a car )
Man i love this company. They deliver exactly what they promise. Just beware of the german/dutch customs....they dont like competators so they make others lives difficult.
bit late to comment, but yes i guess for someone who wants an e-bike just for some additional whooomp at one (or several) steep climb on his commute may be well served with such cells (and not so much of them) due to their high current rating - although they cant match standard li-ion on specific capacity.
@@mauroscimone8584 The claims seem too good to be true. May be just another baloney in fraudulent marketing trick. The manufacturer is not even a renown battery technology inventor nor research company.
@@OwlexMyth I think he meant 'voltage used by USB devices' Their energy density is too low, so they can't scale down to a 'portable' size which I think was his question.
I believe These are not good for the average user, they are like old tech lead asid and are only like 80% efficient when charging. Correct me if i'm wrong.
Hi i found this chart that shows different chemistry characteristics but it doesn't show Lithium Titanate Oxid - LTO were would these batteries fall on the list
Li-Pol batteries will rank higher indeed, the difference is the nominal capacity. In this case of LTO we speak of 400A charge or discharge, majority of RC Li-Pol (or Li-Pol in general) have considerably lower nominal capacity. Each technology is better suited for some tasks, afterall, you would not fit this LTO in RC models :)
10C is low??? Lithium iron and Li ion batteries can take max of 3C, lead acid battery 0.3C, etc. So 10C/10C charge and discharge is good. In basic one LTO cell can take 400 amps.
when you make Solid Lithim Battery reinvented by Jhon B. Goodenought and Helena Braga? That is real battery 23.000 cicles, x6 more capacity 3,7V and low weight.
And it comes with magic pixies inside!! That battery doesn't even exist in a lab yet. Don't fall for the hype. If you always hear one "celebrity" name mentioned on a topic, it is most likely because they want to get money from investors.
I have no idea if this helps, just something I spotted when I was googling for more information about the Yinlong cells. If GWL can't help, and you want some maybe these guys can help instead - secondlifestorage.com/t-SELLING-EOI-New-Yinlong-LTO-cells-Australia - or else look into Alibaba.
If you're still looking for some in New Zealand we sell them on our website.. I'm from New Zealand. We have Afterpay and Laybuy payment options with free shipping. We sell 6s lto balancers aswell. tarampsnz.com
Have any viewers in RUclips land bought these cells? If so, how do they perform and what is their relative value when stacked up against the regular Lithium Cells you buy from Jaycar in AU?
Dunno about Jaycar but these are NOT meant for 'long storage' or depth. They're meant to absorb or output HUGE amperage. I gave some info earlier that puts it into comparison: LiCoO2 is what most referring to 'lithium ion' mean as it's the overwhelming majority of chemistry used historically and even today in most devices. They're usually good for 0.5A to 3A per cell, and 1800-2400mAh in 18650 style cells at 3.6 to 4.2v peak and high volatility. LiPo is denser, usually good for 0.5 to 1A per cell and 2000-4000mAh for a small flat pack at 3.9 to 4.2v peak and VERY high volatility. LiMnCo, LiNiMnCo, NMC, and NCR batteries are newer and can handle up to 50A with 1200-2000mAh capacity at 4.1 to 4.3v peak in the 18650 and down sizes, and are reduced-volatility. LiFePO4 are can handle a range of 0.5 to 10A with 1500-2500mAh in smaller cells, at 3.4-3.6v peak and very low volatility. LTOs are powerhouses for amperage, handling usually 100-150 to as much as 500A at 2.4-3.0v, with the Ah around 15 to 40Ah. These are BIG cells tho.
How do these handle massive amp draws? I'm talking 100 amps or more constant. Highly interested in this technology for miniquads and if they can handle it X-class drones.
The chemistry has been doing accelerated aging lab testing for quite a while.The lower terminal voltage was an issue putting them off coming to market but for stationary/standby applications it doesn't matter and as long as the overall density is tolerable it's ok for mobile use
"DIY Solar Power with Will Prowse 1 month ago (edited) After messing with these cells some more, I don't like them. They are heavy, expensive, inefficient, hard to wire, and the charge cycle/ temperature benefits aren't really necessary for my applications. There are some interesting applications for these cells, but I found them to be a pain in the butt. And yes these are probably cheap/grade b cells considering their price. Not a big surprise if they are, but I don't care to research it more due to the downsides of this chemistry. That discharge inefficiency loss is just horrible. I'm sticking to LiFePO4. Seems like the car audio crowd likes these cells for their charge and discharge rates. Makes sense. Anywho, they are very interesting cells. But I have no motivation to do further testing. Going to focus on LiFePO4. Currently my favorite chemistry. Superb properties for solar power systems. "
There is however a big differnce between DVD-ROM and DVD-R/RW. I can still play the DVD movies I bought nearly 20 years ago. It is all a matter of how the content was stored on the media. I can still read most of the discs burnt on high quality media from 15 years ago as well (Verbatim).
@@sc0tte1-416 Aaaaand the last part is what does it. You really should google "dvd degradation" Read and learn. I have burnt hundreds of dvds back in the day before large capacity harddrives became affordable, and quite a few doesn't work anymore, even though they were stored in fairly dry and dark conditions (CD/DVD folders in a closet in my office). My guess is, you have not really been using a Burner yourself...
@@HepauDK actually, back in the day I was quite the xvid pirate and have a huge collection of movies...but I haven't tried using them lately. I'm sort of assuming the plastic surrounding the burnt metal media is what degrades and takes the very tiny 1's and 0s with it. Never really put much thought into it.
If these are the batteries, how big is the remote control?
The size of a twin mattress.
It is the remote control
I bet my missus would still lose it down the back of the sofa.
Imagine the size of the vibrator
@@bendoherty7721 bruh 😂
I swear to God this woman says "The Bluetooth device is ready to pair" in my headphones.
It is Czech accent.
IM FKN DOOONE💀💀💀💀
You are right it is her. She had to take another job because she cannot sell these batteries.
Nope it's really heavy czech accent. The weight scale is also set to czech. The generic bluetooth audio chip woman has really heavy chinese accent.
@@tomasbrod1533 I'll check...
With the teminals on each end, how are you going to lick it to tell if it's charged?
I think if you could lick both ends of the battery at the same time, the last thing you would be doing is building batteries :P~
Clamp jumper cables to your tongue, then we'll complete the circuit......
harry camper Dick...you beat me to it.
Touch 1 end with fingers and the other end with tongue.
You guys are making this way too complicated. Just lick one side, then lick the other. It's not rocket science.
Guys, keep in mind these have a 85% discharge efficiency, compared to a Lifepo4s 99%. I hope this will improve somehow in the future.
These cost 150% more than capacity equivalent Lifepo4 batteries and are also heavier (I did a rough comparison below)
BUT... these last 5x longer and have a 0 chance of fire hazard. So this will be perfect for a house. But Not good for something like a camper van or a plane yet.
Wrong. Do your testing. These have up to 99% efficiency. Yes, if you pull the advertised 10c, you get 85% of the capacity. Same for LiFePo4, if you take 10c cells and pull 10c, you won't get full capacity. The key feature here is they can withstand more abuse (higher temperature) than LFP so with the same internal resistance, more current can flow before the thermal limits are reached. Lishen 16A cells are crazy at this, they can deliver 800A(20c) constantly. The efficiency drops to 45%, so quick math says it can be discharged in 32,4 seconds. Try that 100 times with LFP.
These were the AA’s of the 1800’s
they had then the salt-iron batteries, like they now promote again.
They also had Leden Jars which Benjamin Franklin attempted to cook a turkey with (by electrocuting the turkey) ... and almost killed himself. They are an early predecessor of the capacitor.
@@Wingnut353 Leiden, not Leden, Leiden is a Uni town, I have an instrument powered by two Leiden Jars.
Wow! a battery with a lifespan of a human. The batteries are big. They could be useful for utility scale solar; people who cares how long the battery lasts are gonna love them.
So lernen wir den Wellen impuls einer guten Batterie
The capacity is lower on these cells 40ah @ 2.3v (92wh) Vs 40ah at 3.3v (132wh). Also, you could theoretically get 30,000 cycles from existing lithium batteries if you use a narrow range of the discharge curve (like 60-40%).
30 000 cycles is well beyond even theoretical life-span of most Lithium batteries. That said, LTO is currently existing Lithium based battery :)
lithium batteries ud be lucky to get 1000 charges with a 80% charge
If they were really smart, they would use the same form factor as existing batteries thus showing a massive capacity improvement for the same space. All without making it more expensive to convert existing applications.
No, their energy density is smaller than that of lithium ion.
@@chesshooligan1282 lithium ION isn´t a battery chemistry. It´s the general name for all the different lithium chemistries.
Lithium Nickel Cobalt Aluminum Oxide -is a lithium ION battery
Lithium Iron Phosphate -is a lithium ION battery
Lithium Cobalt Oxide -is a lithium ION battery
Lithium Manganese Oxide -is a lithium ION battery
Lithium Nickel Manganese Cobalt Oxide -is a lithium ION battery
Lithium Titanate -is a lithium ION battery (The chemistry in this video)
Source: batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/types_of_lithium_ion
@@ScinnerNo1 LiCoO2 is what most referring to 'lithium ion' mean as it's the overwhelming majority of chemistry used historically and even today in most devices. They're usually good for 0.5A to 3A per cell, and 1800-2400mAh in 18650 style cells at 3.6 to 4.2v peak and high volatility. LiPo is denser, usually good for 0.5 to 1A per cell and 2000-4000mAh for a small flat pack at 3.9 to 4.2v peak and VERY high volatility. LiMnCo, LiNiMnCo, NMC, and NCR batteries are newer and can handle up to 50A with 1200-2000mAh capacity at 4.1 to 4.3v peak in the 18650 and down sizes, and are reduced-volatility. LiFePO4 are can handle a range of 0.5 to 10A with 1500-2500mAh in smaller cells, at 3.4-3.6v peak and very low volatility. LTOs are powerhouses for amperage, handling usually 100-150 to as much as 500A at 2.4-3.0v, with the Ah around 15 to 40Ah. These are BIG cells tho.
@@janglur And I said that you shouldn't refer lithium ion to a special chemistry(not even LiCoO2) as it's a common name for ALL lithium chemistries.
But thank you for the stats but you should try using C ratings instead, that way it's easier to compare chemistries .
they look more like Capacitors than Batteries.
when you think about it they do both the same thing, they store some charges.
@@wowulam7411 no, capacitors store electrical charges whereas batteries produce electricity from chemical energy which is why Capacitors are larger in Size and can handle much higher charge/ discharge rates than batteries.
how so? never seen a d-cell? or A-cell, aa-cell, aaa-cell? used to be most batteries were tubular. notice the poles are at either end. to look like a capacitor they would need both terminals on one end
@@nekomancer9157 "they would need both terminals on one end" That is not true. Search axial capacitors.
@@nekomancer9157 🤦♂️
If these batteries are anything like the specs list, this’ll be a game changer, even at 85% efficiency. If they’re anything close to 85% after 2k cycles, it’s basically game over to Li-ion.
I’d love to grab some of these and throw them into a test rig for a month to see how they last
can I use these batteries to make like a 24 volt or 36 volt battery for electric bike
@@MusicVidsLife Yeah, but package wil be very heavy over 10 kg.
@@johanfredin5153 2 years later, they are only manufactured in China and most people have never heard of them. Obviously not a hit product.
@@ryanroberts1104 They are really as good as promissed and almost impossible to wear out (even top battery researcher Jeff Dahn has mantioned it) but their main disadvantage is the extremely high cost. For 1 kWh capacity of LTO you can get 5 kWh or more of LiFePo4.
@@xhobv02 Then that means they don't last longer. If you get a 5kw battery, and only use the middle 1kw, any lithium chemistry will last nearly forever. Longer than LTO if the LTO is being fully or more deeply cycled.
Do you guys ship to USA?
Edit: I have already tested LTO cells and did not like their cost/weight/discharge efficiency for solar. I was asking if they shipped to USA because I want their LiFePO4 cells and winston drop in model. That's all. LTO is great for car audio and a few other applications, but not for solar. The 20-30k cycles doesn't really matter for solar if cycled once a day because calendar aging will kill the cells first. So you are much better off buying LiFePO4, which are cheaper, will last just as long, more efficient, lighter etc. And finding a way to charge at 5-10c is very difficult, and for most applications, not that useful. Even if you find a way to charge these quickly, they are extremely heavy. Which is why you will never find a LTO car/ebike/scooter.
Too many downsides. I made a whole video testing lto and was not impressed. Would avoid them for solar like the plague.
I found some on Alibaba, as well, searching for Yinlong 66160. There's also a 66260 which is longer, and 55 Ah. If I were in Europe I'd buy via GWL, but in the US perhaps you may want to gamble a bit and hit Alibaba up. The prices per battery is lower there too, not surprising considering shipping and European taxes.
Oh will you are a god
@@04tb2 Good info. Price could be better, though. Getting the same cells from Alibaba could cut the price by as much as half, at least judging by the amounts I saw them quoting on the sites. Assuming you plan to buy 10+ units, anyway.
I will wait your review man .
good luck on finding them .
i would also be interested in these. could be worth investing in.
I'm gonna need a bigger flashlight.
Hahahaha! Best comment so far!!!
You mean fleshlight
Lol lol lol
Or your wife is
Hahaha.
400A Charging current O_O
So the charger comes with a life insurance, right? :)
😂😂
And PPE
Hahahahaha good one 😂
It is the same as your high-end car battery.
No, but with a t-rex for your personal protection
They are popular amongst the car audio community as their charging rate is fast allowing for less of a voltage drop. I have two banks of 6 35ah cells with a 320 amp alternator and my voltage only drops 0.6v with my system pulling about 8,000 watts rms. They are definitely not meant to be used without a constant supply of energy.
Do they run at 12v?
@@ferrarifast1429 They run at whatever voltage you arrange them in.
Each cell has a max voltage of 2.8 volts, so with 5 cells in series you could charge them to a comfortable 14 volts.
Assuming your alternator puts out 13.5 volts it leaves a comfortable .5 volt buffer from their max voltage.
Quite a bit % drop in voltage over the discharge cycle so power output will vary more than lipo or lifpo4 but I'll take that if it means they really last that amount of cycles, I'd love to see smaller cells for e-bikes too.
I recently bought a 72v battery pack consisting of 30ah lto cells from AliExpress for just under $1250.00 Canadian dollars for my ebike.
The claimed cycle capacity is impressive, but by the time you get one assembled at a useable voltage, its the same size as a comparable 40-50 Ah lead-acid deep cycle battery. Probably still good for backup power use if they are stable and handle cycling well, and a bit easier on the back to move.
The E pig is also there and they can't use the building skyline anymore 😭
The technology of battery performance will change the world. Imagine being capable of harvesting and storing the power of a single lightning bolt.
FYI, the energy density is no higher than a LiPo. It just seems that way because of the lower nominal voltage.
That's exactly what she says in the video, so what's your point??
@@dtesta Sadly most people won't sit through the whole video and it's meant as a cliff note to those people who would like to know that. Not every comment was meant for you.
@@rich1051414 So people don't have 2 minutes to watch the video, but they would scroll down and read your comment? Yeah, sure...
Hmmm. only 2.3VDC at 40Ahr?
That would take 170 cells in series to make 391VDC and 4 sets in parallel just to make a 60KWh for an electric car. 680 cells at $55 ea= $37,400. An OEM Battery is less and it is already assembled with an onboard BMS.
Still a ways to go to be cost affective.
The product is good, the price have one zero too much. Maybe after 10 more years the price is acceptable.
10C charging means ~ 6 minutes from empty to full. And 30K cycles means, well, forever for an EV. You wouldnt expect a battery with those abilities to cost the same as current ones.
DZDZigns LLC and then the size, 5 vs 4 for the same power these are 200grams heavier, and the more you add the more space is needed due to shape
Why not?
Thank you
Ladies worry no more, these will last on your days of deeper needs!
The Womanizer could go long enough to kill most Women with this pack!!!
@@glenngoetz3054 y would it kill them
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Thats what I need to finish my fallout 4 power armor cosplay
Seriously though you could make a case for one with a 3D printer that looks like a fusion core
Gonna be a hell of a day when they get these to under $40 per cell consistently. As it stands, they're just too expensive compared to alternatives unless they fit your needs specifically.
Currently $80 individually bought, or a pre-assembled 6-pack for $450.
Per per kwh pver theor life amd for max stprage?
Lithium-titanate cells also last for 3000 to 7000 charge cycles...wiki, not 30.000
Wiki was also written by people. So who is right? Its amazing if those cells last for 30k cycles. Imagine you bought electric car and there no need to change the battery. But even 8k still impressive
Wiki is just another book of the Talmud. Its Jewish revisionist history.
@@voidex136 what. I think you mean no need to change the battery. Cycles have nothing to do with capacity. For home power or grid buffering, these could last decades.
@@PlasmaBurns Flagged for hate speech. Fuck off asshole. Nobody wants to see that shit. We have too many shootings already.
@dave himlin Asshole hate troll flagged again. Next offense will result in your channel being reported.
this is the future of car batteries, the complete car battery can charge in 10min and they last over 30 years!!!
Except there is no proof that they actually last that long. Nothing made in china lasts that long.
wow! usable in -50c that's actually enough to be safe here year round. Just last month it got under -40c here so you can imagine it can be a problem. I think this is the only battery I've seen you can use in my part of the world without having to worry about temperature. Those other specs are quite impressive too
This isn’t new, though. LTO has existed for years already, but they are quite expensive in comparison with others, otherwise they’d be widely used in EVs since they have quite good characteristics, the only other disadvantage being the energy density.
Not good for ev.... discharge capacity is like 85% while lion give something like 98%.
@@honumoorea873 What do you mean with that? Are you referring to energy efficiency? Because I can't find anything about that on Google. Also, LTO is Li-ion as well, it just has a different anode chemistry, with titanium nanocrystals on its surface. Most batteries nowadays are either LCO (lithium cobalt oxide) or NMC (lithium nickel manganese cobalt oxide).
@@honumoorea873why care abt discharging when fast charging options are available,means u could charge at max speed bfr u finish ur coffee
when mass producing battery prices will come down,for this shift to happen only tesla could make an initiate
@@GRBtutorials i am guessing they are and got the 85% figure from will prowse who did a video on them a while back, but since followed it up with an update indicating he may have been mis-sold grade B cells, hence the 85% figure. i think the grade a cells he managed to get hold of later pulled 99% efficiency.
the real reason i would say these are not good for EVs is that they have really poor volumetric energy density and specific energy density. for a standard 5 door saloon type car youd probably need all of the trunk space and rear seating to be replaced with LTO cells to get any range lol, or so i would imagine. though interestingly it seems that the yinglong company that sells these cells actually distribute them to EV companies for use as minibuses and such, before after up to 10 years they redistribute them through retailers like GWL who made this video for use in stationary storage systems. i am not sure whether that is true as i dont think LTO chemistry has even been in use for that long, but that is the info i have read on diysolarforum, on the thread titled "LTO Grade A AliExpress cells", on the 6th post by Tobi17, so i would recommend you look it up yourself. i have yet to get in touch with GWL to find out exactly how new their yinlong cells are but i would be extremely upset to put down all that money just to learn i wasnt getting brand new cells
You forgot to mention the declining 85% discharge efficiency.
This is a major drawback, but still does not rule these batteries out by any means in an offgrid setting.
@@eowendyl after a few thousand cycles 85% will become 75.. 65.. 55 until it quickly becomes unbearable. Sure for very few applications the 20000 cycle life is a huge advantage but for the most it makes no sense.
@@christ7703 You seem up on the science. Are you in the industry or just an avid learner?
@@christ7703 Hristos in reality it is like that - acid battery or lipo will be completely useless after 5 years (1500 cycles), but those will still hold lets say 65% ... so - not so bad.Even if they go down to 40% after 10 years (3.5-4k charges) it is again purrfect for offgrid, yes? This means that after 10 years you will have around 16Ah. Compare that to acid - after 10 years you will use 3rd set with already lowered capacity; or the mass-Li - you will use 2nd set again with already lowered capacity. Of course, the future sets of any kind are expected to be cheaper, so one have to do the math carefully.
@@drgrunn174 When you say lipo i assume you mean Lifepo4. In that case the cycle life is 3000 at 80% DOD. At that point capacity loss is only 20% which means that with proper usage they can last at least a decade.
About the 50% discharge efficiency of the titanate ones at the end of their lifespan.. That doesn't mean only that someone has to install twice the capacity on batteries(and they're not cheap) but also in solar panels too.
Could these be rigged up to work as a car battery replacement or is the charging/discharging requirements too demanding?
A battery that theoretically lasts the lifetime of the vehicle...? Shhhhh....That kind of talk gets sketchy people from companies that shall not be named stopping by your house.
@@TonberryShuffle I'll bury them in my backyard with the others 😀
Sure it would work but keep in mind your alternator is "designed" (poorly) to charge Lead Acid (also poorly) and if you used it to charge a Lithium or NiMH cell it could overcurrent your alternator and burn the shit out of it. Lithium batteries basically charge like short circuits.
You would be best to add some current limiting to it. It also may wear your starter motor as they're not actually designed to run at 12 volts (when they start your engine the battery voltage drops on lead acid, it wouldn't drop much at all on lithium)
Would have been helpful to see them in action in real life situations.
I know this is a really old comment, but I saw a guy who had 160Ah pack of these cells at 15 volts, so 4 cells in parallel and 6 in series. He accidentally shorted the main positive and negative, which were high quality silver tinned 2/0 pure copper car audio wire, and the clamp meter was maxed out at 5000 amps. So a 6s4p pack of these cells easily put out over 5000 amps at around 14 volts. I've also seen these cells fully charged to 15.8v and the positive and negative were shorted with a big wrench in between the positive and negative as a resistor, and the cells melted the big wrench no problem. The wrench was nothing but a puddle of molten steel by the end of the test, and the cells were still perfectly fine and they operated normally with no damage or degradation.
"new battery technology"
I mean... it's been there for 7 years but still dope nonetheless
Yeah but it doesn't seem like it has been available very consistently. I read somewhere that Yinlong had problems producing and that some batteries were repackaged from older stock or something, not sure, but it sounds like they're getting into the swing of things.
@@lorcro2000 the tech has been around since 2004 as far as I could see but wasn't really that viable at the time (due to manufacturing issues n stuff).
It's basically like EV's: have been around for ages but wasn't commercially viable.
You are right, the actual technology has been around for a while now. The difference really comes to market availability and realiability, these need their time.
@GWL Power :
And I want to add price have also a lot to do. Not as many persons look up at the long term, and besides new technology we have not that much experience about it.
Medium term availability and prices are, I think, the sweet spot for this to raise.
@@GWLPowered what did you mean with raliability? Lithium Ion are very dangerous, flamable and explosive....how this can be realible? i don't get it...
the yellow one are 100ah each and the blue one is 40ah so 4 yellow makes 12 v 100 ah and you need 10 blue to make the same amours makes it heavy
where did you see yellow one at 100 ah ,on their site the yellow ones i see are 18650 and have only 1300mah that is 1.3 ah
4x2.3 is not 12 its 9.2. You need 6 for 13.8 ish that makes good for a 12v battery. I did some maths on the fly but might be wrong but I calculated these are 3 times more expensive than 18650 per kwh using a 48 volt series connection. Would need to work it out on paper to confirm if I'm right.
@@RoadRashSpirit wrong, you just need 5 of them since 2.3 is nominal voltage, so fully charged would be around 2.8*5 which ic 14v which is fine.
@@xpertcrush I wouldn't flat say its wrong, it depends on how you want to use or regulate the battery, at 5 your nominal voltage is bellow required voltage and this wastes some potential of the battery depending on use. Its easier to regulate excess voltage smoothly over boosting under volatge. That said if you never wanted the battery to drop below a high percentage it may be useful having only 5.
@@RoadRashSpirit This is the comment I was looking for. Thank you.
Can I just stick 2 of these in my electric scooter? Lord that would be amazing. Imagine sticking this in an off-road electric mountain bike, too or even one battery into a road bike. :D
@@talesoftheblueeyedindian2412 Yeah, after research, I realised lol. Do you reckon solid state batteries will make an appearance in 5-10 years? Would be cool
Asian company using a hot Russian spokesperson... thats a lot of red flags.
Probably a fraud company
Javier Hernandez, I recommend you find out how pretty Russian women wind up in Asian countries in the first place.
Yep ! She could Sell me Dead Battery's : )
@@kellydardeen6308 maybe tubes filled with sand
As brief clarification: Czech (European Union) company, represented by Czech person showing Chinese product. Consider Chinese producing absolute majority of world available batteries, there are no surprises to have.
But our accent is indeed specific :)
Yinlong Energy, we visited their factory in Zhuhai in 2016. Nice cells! They showed us how secure they are. The produce buses there too.
Cool to hear you've been behind the scenes
And you forgot to mention average people can't afford them.
Do these exist in the shape of sealed lead acid batteries, with battery management system against over- and undercharging?
I'm currently using several UPS units with Yuasa NP18-12 batteries and I'm looking for a safe in-place replacement for these.
LiFe batteries are still the best alternative to lithium ion, this tech is still too expensive, give them another couple years to get the costs down
and size?
How is that cheaper ? The same Capacity, (with half the weight), costs the same or less with normal 18650 Lithium Cells
@@ewaldwolk2250 Danke vielmals
I just purchased a 72v 30ah lto pack with charger for $1246.00 today. I think that is a fair price for today.
It does look like a very cool technology. Primarily, for people who are considering putting batteries in their mobile homes or van conversions, the fact that you can charge them even under -0c is a pretty big factor. What BMS would you recommend with these? Can the 123 SmartBMS be used?
Self build one to match the cells no point in getting Chineseium one they made for single cells and would take forever to balance .... look for balance charger some show cell resistance
123 SmartBMS is currently not supporting LTO, we have our own BMS made - www.ev-power.eu/Modular/ , this BMS will be commercially available this month. Also the SmartBMS is developing update to support LTO (ETA is sometime in 2020 though).
@@GWLPowered Thanks, good to see there are options. I like the relative simplicity of the 123 unit but whatever works.
GWL Power pp
While doing my research I found this instead: yuengling beer Mmmmmm!
I fall back to Yuengling when I can't find Shiner Bock. Of course the gout put the kibosh on all beer.
Alcohol is nasty.
Glenn G. Sounds like something Homer Simpson would say
Only one cycle though not 30.000. Still in development!
Don't forget Iron City
Any kind souls here have any end-user experience with these Yinlong LTO Cells?
Any functional or operational issues??
On a side note, can they be charged by my roof-top PV?
Yes. I make a energy storage systems based on LTO
@@cayrex any information you can give? Where you buy, quality of product?
Maxwell super/ultra capacitors combined with these cells would be good for ebike 😁
Maxwell is capacitor
That is a beast combination with 3000F ultracaps,... but this also need some space
cells seem too big to set up for ebikes
@@krrk6337 oh yes without a doubt bike frame need mods 12 of em lol
Indeed that is exactly the intended operation of these. They work in tandem with super capacitor arrays for ups and regenerative braking systems. The combination also works nice for intermittent high drain solar as well.
Is there anyway I can get these batteries for testing???
Yes there is a way! Buy them!
@@ScinnerNo1 not gonna happen they won't be able to get it inside my country
This is an absolutely amazing! This is going to replace my AGM battery for my kayak trolling motor 160 amp hours capacity only weighing 11 lbs!
@marthale7 I have purchased many items from China (USA can't supply) and have found that most Chinese companies are willing to bend over backwards to satisfy their customers. They should be emulated, not slandered.
When you pay premium price you got A grade product. Just image you need roughly 750k usd to buy a 900 SF apartment in Shenzhen, that explains everything.
Have you done it yet?
Did it work?
Finally a phone battery that won't fucking die in a year
We love you yinLONG time !
If they make these in a thinner package that is say 20Ah or even 10Ah.
With 6 wired in series you could make a nice little SLA replacement which will be lighter.
Great for crazy car enthusiasts that chase every kg in weight reduction.
A bit much for a Vape but whatever floats your boat I guess...
Hamfist vapers only 😂😂😂
goat* , whatever floats your goat ! :))
Afaik this is an old chemistry well known and used in the military. Its primary virtues is extreme ability to absorb charging, nearly the same properties as a capacitor. The power density however is way lower than other chemistries.
Way lower then what other chemistries to be exact? Perhaps the much more dangerous Lithium polymer? Beacause they look to have same energy density as LiFePo4 from what I see.
@@ScinnerNo1 lithium. Tiatanate ie titanium, is known for extreme longevity and capacitor like charge rate. However it has lower energy density.
@@johndoe1909 Yes but lower then what? What are you compareing to? What chemestry?
@@ScinnerNo1 like the nmc used in for instance tesla, or lifepo for that matte. But it still popular in many settings as its very good at rapid charging. There is quite few bus manufacturers that use them. But they seem to be losing out as the densitybisnt there to enable nightly charging. And the infrastructure for fast charging along the line is expensive. So the tco is way better for depot slow charging.
Thx! Thats what I wanted to know!
Just saying that they have lower energy density doesn´t say much to me :)
Allthough I don´t think that GWL (the company behind this video) is going for the EV market.
And I think LTO has its place(not in EV´s) even with a lower energy density.
Excellent post, Thank You for sharing.
I can imagine how heavy and big phones will become if they equip it with this huge battery.
the phone will also last for months before needing a recharge... 40ah is a lot of stored friskies enenrgy
What about a BMS (battery mngt system)?
I could listen to her all day ...........
I'm gonna have to build a trailer for my RC trucks...
Awesome video! What about solar charge controllers for LTO? Any options?
Not at the moment you would need to design your own charging circuit once you've built that then you can research tying it to mppt config's or otherwise
Her voice is incredibly pleasant! repeat repeat!
Can be a Car battery? Charge like a capacitor Or you need balancing charge module?
of course the balance is necessary. 40Ah... only for a-class car or moto.
@@igormorozov6801 motorcycle - nope, most are 12-14-16 Ah for acidic and 3-5-9Ah for Li variants ... but maybe snowscoot, or powerboat? And cars, of course. The main aspects are not touched, though - how it behaves depending from the temperature, and depending of the speed of charge (i.e. how many Amps it can gulp without overheating).
@@drgrunn174
yeah, for cold and long winters in Russia using lithium battery for cars and other vehicles is a big open question.
When the most part of power will just to heat salon of a car )
Man i love this company. They deliver exactly what they promise. Just beware of the german/dutch customs....they dont like competators so they make others lives difficult.
how much does a cell cost?
1:25 and about volum density betwen this 2 bateries? and cicles life.
I need to see wich is better for a PowerWall around 100kWh store energy.
Rather large and expensive but I can't help but want to put these on a ebike and see how it goes
bit late to comment, but yes i guess for someone who wants an e-bike just for some additional whooomp at one (or several) steep climb on his commute may be well served with such cells (and not so much of them) due to their high current rating - although they cant match standard li-ion on specific capacity.
Could this be used in a 12V car circuit with MPPT solar charge controller?
Not ready yet. If they were they would be all over the national news as a breakthrough.
@@popeyegordon Thx for the swift reply - thought as much.
Hey, I like her accent, so leave her alone. P.S. Great cells!!!
Think a 6s is more practical for 12v pack. And 24s for 48v systems possibly charging each cell to 2.4v instead of 2.5v
Sound great, but is it actually perform as claimed??
Yep. Rushed into the market and uses the consumer as a full paying beta tester.
I know how it works ..
Lam Par no another youtuber test a similar cell same format, claimed 40 Ah but ~30 Ah tested and 85% discharge efficiency, not really good.
@@mauroscimone8584 The claims seem too good to be true. May be just another baloney in fraudulent marketing trick. The manufacturer is not even a renown battery technology inventor nor research company.
How heavy each one of these batteries? And who is your distributor for Indonesia? Btw, why 2.3 Volt and not the USB voltage? Thank you.
The voltage is based on chemistry. USB voltage applies to computers with USB, not batteries.
@@OwlexMyth I think he meant 'voltage used by USB devices' Their energy density is too low, so they can't scale down to a 'portable' size which I think was his question.
@@amzarnacht6710 You made as little sense as the original question. None. Explain what needs to be scaled down.
At least no cobalt, still waiting for graphene...
Lithium titanate is the anode, the cathode could still be cobalt oxide.
These battery can be use in inverter power backups ?? Just like led acid batter.
Yes, LTO as LFP (LiFePO4) is well suited for stationary installation such as power backup.
Muhammad Ansari led?
"new"? What year is this? 2010?!
Lol 🤣🤣🤣
@@blacktrogen2921 in Bulgaria and Poland its very new 😂😂
What is the charging method? Current, voltage. Any special managment needed during charging.
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This woman has such an honest look in her eyes
I believe These are not good for the average user, they are like old tech lead asid and are only like 80% efficient when charging. Correct me if i'm wrong.
55 a piece? Like just one? Or one box with six?
one,one cell,not a box of them , to expensive ,isn't it ?
Yeah one, but it’s 40 Ah so 92 Wh, not that bad.
@@GilDev2 one that barely outputs 2.3 volts lol
Hi i found this chart that shows different chemistry characteristics but it doesn't show Lithium Titanate Oxid - LTO were would these batteries fall on the list
How do they know they will last for decades?
Google "LTO". It's proven tech
Great product! Excellent, and beautiful presenter.
I need that battery for my mobile phone. Thanks.😮😊😏
In the next few years, this battery will powering up lots of electric vehicles.
That I won't be able to buy! #DumpTrump2020 you have only commerce to gain!
10C? Isn't that rather low? I'm new at this, so I'm not sure. I'm going by the C rating on rc Lipo batteries, and 10 C is very low.
Li-Pol batteries will rank higher indeed, the difference is the nominal capacity. In this case of LTO we speak of 400A charge or discharge, majority of RC Li-Pol (or Li-Pol in general) have considerably lower nominal capacity. Each technology is better suited for some tasks, afterall, you would not fit this LTO in RC models :)
10C is low??? Lithium iron and Li ion batteries can take max of 3C, lead acid battery 0.3C, etc. So 10C/10C charge and discharge is good. In basic one LTO cell can take 400 amps.
10C is crazy high
Now if they could make them as light as hydrogen that would be a breakthrough and make sense in a car or other mode of transportation.
Amazing! I'll be ordering soon 😁
Are these LIGHTER in terms of how much energy they store in there weight?
Id like to buy these for e bikes if they save weight
I noticed the one they compared only needed 4 for a complete system while this product needed 5. You end up 250 g more for this product.
LTO is not primarily aimed towards weight, its promise is in lifetime and performance. Electric Bikes may not see the full benefit using LTO.
I need that for my vape!!!
smoke a fat one.
A lot of other reviewers say these cells are garbage, so beware!
Are that reviewers from experience or reading about it . . .
when you make Solid Lithim Battery reinvented by Jhon B. Goodenought and Helena Braga? That is real battery 23.000 cicles, x6 more capacity 3,7V and low weight.
Many are trying for a practical version for a mobile environment as it depends on a ceramic element which is very fragile
And it comes with magic pixies inside!! That battery doesn't even exist in a lab yet. Don't fall for the hype. If you always hear one "celebrity" name mentioned on a topic, it is most likely because they want to get money from investors.
Fantastic application
if i buy these batteries i might have to hire an army to defend against oil companies - but still totally worth it !!!
Hahahaha 😂🤣😂 🤣
do you need bms for charging
Can't ship to New Zealand :-(
I have no idea if this helps, just something I spotted when I was googling for more information about the Yinlong cells. If GWL can't help, and you want some maybe these guys can help instead - secondlifestorage.com/t-SELLING-EOI-New-Yinlong-LTO-cells-Australia - or else look into Alibaba.
If you're still looking for some in New Zealand we sell them on our website.. I'm from New Zealand.
We have Afterpay and Laybuy payment options with free shipping. We sell 6s lto balancers aswell.
tarampsnz.com
pls can you tell me what those yellow cells are and how to get them? Ive got a dead segway that takes those
Someone build a giant mech mod to harness this power
i just came down here to comment roughly the same thing lol.
Lol #stayswag
I'm thinking an unregulated box mod with 4 of these in series. 😂
@@crominion6045 .06ohm
Have any viewers in RUclips land bought these cells? If so, how do they perform and what is their relative value when stacked up against the regular Lithium Cells you buy from Jaycar in AU?
Dunno about Jaycar but these are NOT meant for 'long storage' or depth. They're meant to absorb or output HUGE amperage. I gave some info earlier that puts it into comparison:
LiCoO2 is what most referring to 'lithium ion' mean as it's the overwhelming majority of chemistry used historically and even today in most devices. They're usually good for 0.5A to 3A per cell, and 1800-2400mAh in 18650 style cells at 3.6 to 4.2v peak and high volatility. LiPo is denser, usually good for 0.5 to 1A per cell and 2000-4000mAh for a small flat pack at 3.9 to 4.2v peak and VERY high volatility. LiMnCo, LiNiMnCo, NMC, and NCR batteries are newer and can handle up to 50A with 1200-2000mAh capacity at 4.1 to 4.3v peak in the 18650 and down sizes, and are reduced-volatility. LiFePO4 are can handle a range of 0.5 to 10A with 1500-2500mAh in smaller cells, at 3.4-3.6v peak and very low volatility. LTOs are powerhouses for amperage, handling usually 100-150 to as much as 500A at 2.4-3.0v, with the Ah around 15 to 40Ah. These are BIG cells tho.
@@janglur They are not meant for long storage, but it can handle 30k cycles and they even says it survives for the lifetime of a human?
I can't tell you what my girlfriend said about the size of those batteries ~ giant rabbit?
It'll last for a decade (=
How do these handle massive amp draws? I'm talking 100 amps or more constant. Highly interested in this technology for miniquads and if they can handle it X-class drones.
The cells are build to withstand constant 10C (400A) discharge rates, the fast charging and discharging is one of key benefits of using LTO.
I'll wait for a zero point energy cell.
I am sure they insane secret technology in used by us military for example but top secret
How do they know the batteries will last 8 decades? They have only been available since 2008 -2009ish.
The chemistry has been doing accelerated aging lab testing for quite a while.The lower terminal voltage was an issue putting them off coming to market but for stationary/standby applications it doesn't matter and as long as the overall density is tolerable it's ok for mobile use
what are the disadvantage of this LTO batteries i need to consider ?
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"DIY Solar Power with Will Prowse
1 month ago (edited)
After messing with these cells some more, I don't like them. They are heavy, expensive, inefficient, hard to wire, and the charge cycle/ temperature benefits aren't really necessary for my applications. There are some interesting applications for these cells, but I found them to be a pain in the butt.
And yes these are probably cheap/grade b cells considering their price. Not a big surprise if they are, but I don't care to research it more due to the downsides of this chemistry. That discharge inefficiency loss is just horrible. I'm sticking to LiFePO4.
Seems like the car audio crowd likes these cells for their charge and discharge rates. Makes sense.
Anywho, they are very interesting cells. But I have no motivation to do further testing. Going to focus on LiFePO4. Currently my favorite chemistry. Superb properties for solar power systems. "
Won't get any of these till I hear from my trusted sources. You should also.
I swear she talks to me in my dreams
What are the charge discharge losses like ?
82 years?!!The same was said about dvds(150years).And I couldn't play them after one year.
There is however a big differnce between DVD-ROM and DVD-R/RW.
I can still play the DVD movies I bought nearly 20 years ago. It is all a matter of how the content was stored on the media.
I can still read most of the discs burnt on high quality media from 15 years ago as well (Verbatim).
Why would DVDs degrade? They are physical media technically they should last forever unless something physically damages it?
leave this test to carry on in your will.. if you lighting leds with this it will prbably last 99yrs
@@sc0tte1-416 Aaaaand the last part is what does it. You really should google "dvd degradation"
Read and learn.
I have burnt hundreds of dvds back in the day before large capacity harddrives became affordable, and quite a few doesn't work anymore, even though they were stored in fairly dry and dark conditions (CD/DVD folders in a closet in my office).
My guess is, you have not really been using a Burner yourself...
@@HepauDK actually, back in the day I was quite the xvid pirate and have a huge collection of movies...but I haven't tried using them lately. I'm sort of assuming the plastic surrounding the burnt metal media is what degrades and takes the very tiny 1's and 0s with it. Never really put much thought into it.
Prices are sick. There is a reason why Pb batteries will still be on the market long time.