I started stick framing in my teens. Now, in my 50s, I build the truss. I found the easiest way for me is to pop lines on my slab of the house for a straight pattern of the truss needed. Then lay all my truss material out, attaching my gusset plates, keeping everything within the lines. All Eli witney and Ford assembly line theory, lol.
The big factor here is clearly the 4-6 weeks (plus processing time and the ~3-4 days plus delivery time). Your decision kept you and the boys gainfully employed. Just as important it also kept you from the stresses of having to rearrange your future jobs already on the books with set times which is something that I hate doing. Rearranging a construction schedule often times opens up gaps that cannot be filled with anything except unexpected down time. This prevented you from having to give your crew an unexpected few days off w/o pay and nobody including the boss likes that! Love when all pieces of the plan come together with limited changes and when a change is necessary it does not wreak havoc on a set schedule.
I priced trusses for the 24'x24' garage/shop I'm starting soon and due to cost, availability and manpower, I decided to go with rafter/ridge/collar ties instead. Ken, your lucky to live in a place that leaves you the option to build your own trusses. I've seen jurisdictions on RUclips videos that maintain it's illegal to build your own...even by licensed carpenters/builders...they will refuse permits for it and make you purchase trusses.
Comparing the costs, there is not much difference to get those built by a company, but I know how it looks when you're running tight on weather or season. When things have to be done, you have to get it done. Therefore some extra hours are needed. Yet the success on finishing a project is priceless. 😇
Good morning Ken! A beautiful 75° here in Mesa, Arizona, so I would imagine it’s a bit cool there. Just heard you say it’s 34°. Hope you get trusses delivered before the “snowman” hits. Have a great day of building.
In the painting business I used to get all the storms and screens from several jobs for the rainy days, always hated to leave customers hanging when winter made an early showing
If it’s crunch time and your on a schedule than I would say it’s worth it but any other time it’s not worth your effort! Thanks for pointing that out Ken! ✌🏼❤️🙏🏼
My uncle designed ,built , and sold the most popular automated saw used in the truss factory. His labor estimate to cut all of pieces in all of your trusses is 15 minutes total. DePauw saws..
Thanks for sharing this Ken. Since I'm building my own home, the materials cost comparison is what I was needing. I can see where it would save me alot of money to build them myself.
Thanks for the cost breakdown on the trusses. If you account for the time involved in you making them vs purchasing them, you have lost that time for building another garage. The cost difference is not as great as I thought it would be.
The only cost that may be considered is the lost time that could be put toward the project or another project. That is a much more difficult number to pin down. It would depend on how busy the contractor is and if there are jobs that they are putting off or losing out on because of that timing. Otherwise, great breakdown of the cost. And yeah, building trusses is a royal pain; it was my first experience in real residential construction, as a teenager!
I live in Washington State and I've built 1 garage and just finishing a pole building. The costs are astronomical for trusses and some of the lumber used is grade z lumber... I've burned better 2x4's. All trusses have to be engineered for snow loads, wind and earthquakes. I really enjoy your show always entertaining and good information.
Thank you for the thorough analysis. The difference in cost is not that great. The time constraints are another factor that became important at this time of year. 🤔
You did good. The cost of lumber is still going up and down. So I’m thinking they are adding a little extra to the build of the trust to offset their business expenses . Thanks again for your work today.
I think thats the one thing i planned on buyiny was the gusets just because it would be that much faster and convient just stop at the hardware store and buy them when ready
Great explanation on cost of building the trusses, i think the only other thing that you could have added is the man hours used to build them could have been paying off in other areas. Thanks for the great videos.
I know I asked for this specifically the other day and I appreciate the follow up. I suspect you could crank these out faster if it's all you did, but that wasn't the point. We got to see a real-life comparison on how to make good use of your time and scheduling. IOW, life goes on and you didn't lose your shirt on the deal. That was a great business decision!
Ken thank you for your knowledge on the subject. I have watched several videos on factories making trusses. WOW, that was interesting. The holding pins or guides adjusted by computer. Less than a minute to set, drop 2 x 4 in place, add press plates, run machine across, flip over, repeat plates and run again. Less than 5 minutes per truss. I have tried to make my own with a steel plate and sledge hammer. NO fun, but got the job done. I know you build the walls up off the floor about 3 feet, if you could do the same with the trusses? If you could find a clam shell type press to push the plates in there you go. I believe the ability to build the trusses when you need them, out of good material, might make it worth it. Hey you would get everything where you want it also. I just watched a video of a building inspector where pictures of house attic's showed broken trusses because sub-standard materials were used. I realize these trusses would not have passed muster with Ken. Keep up the good work, winter is just around the corner. Okay just watched a you tube video on how to build a 20 ton jig to press plates in place. Put the jig on rollers and roll it around to all the connections. Sorry Ken I am a retired auto mechanic, I found a way to get the car or truck fixed so I could get paid. This video looked interesting... ruclips.net/video/O7t1ChSAwiA/видео.html
Back that up by a year or so and I think it’s closer to 100%+. At least here in the states. And I have a friend who bought three places to rent even as late as last month who really can’t afford them. Some people are going to be getting hosed. Housing needs a good thirty ish percent correction. Just what is says on paper.
It's not time consuming if you have your own 50-ton hyraulic press. I buy plates from CH-Machine out of Alabama and can make a full truss in about a half hour with it after I have the tooling jigs set up. Super slick, you might want to consider making your own press. I can get you my design if you want to have a look at it. I had to make it myself out of pinned steel channel iron and bar stock since I didn't have access to a welder. It will press up to 5"x8" plates no problem. I had 28 trusses I needed to make, and I had an estimate at around $7K for the bid. After buying all lumber and supplies, I spent $2K in lumber, $450 in truss plate hardware, and $1K for the hydraulic press parts. I saved $3500 by doing it myself, one time. Subsequent times would really pay off.
Great info, Ken. Nice to see the detail you consider as a business owner.........it all matters. If you weren't paying attention, it would be very easy to go broke. You know, those truss building hours could have been used to see who can fly a makeshift airplane, or setup hatchet throwing competitions. 🤣 Just kidding, of course...........maybe. hehe
Your dedicated and loyal crew there Ken. Cost of labor? We know you are a You Tube star. But then your dedicated and loyal crew. They are You Tube stars too. Maybe you give them a ham at Christmas time. No that was not a kind thing to say. My bad. But ~ do they get a little bit of a You Tube boost ? Maybe? ~~~ Just saying.
Good Saturday mornin Kens Karpentry📐📏🔨✏ Having the expertise to build these trusses yourself, saved your bacon (so to speak). You gotta do whatcha gotta do .... well done. Take care Ken .... stay warm 🔥🔥👣
well from my perspective it looks like you could make a profit from truss building if you had a dedicated building with jigs/fixtures for different sizes exclusively building trusses. you could also have pnuematic nailers hanging from the rafters to facilitate faster and easier nailing.
I'm glad you came out okay on the price, but it sure messes with the flow of the work. These are weird times- not long ago truss companies would be getting in line to accommodate you. But anyway- thanks for the update and I have to say I'm enjoying your channel more and more. Thanks !
I think the joint plates of plywood and nails are stronger than the truss plates of metal, 22 foot 4/12 pitch truss 20 years ago was $39. wow ! So Yes building at shop was a good reason to get the delivery
Understand completely time is money, I went to trues company and watched them build them may 20 min for a trus and the really don't care what the lumber looks like they pop them in jig and all are precut and press the gusset in place ..so I get it have built Many I my years , thanks for the great video my friend. 🌴🦈😎
Too bad the truss manufacturers are running so far behind. I think it's good that they cost perhaps a bit less but the build is not as enjoyable having to build them. Your garage space is kind of small and your trailer makes it a bit harder to transport them. I understand that the convenience of getting them from a truss manufacturer is much better. Thanks for telling us that it's not just the lead time but the time to send information to the salesman and then them getting back to you on price that also takes time before they even start to get in the line to be built. So how long to you have to wait for the 28' x 28' garage's trusses? That is a large span. Will they have to go with center supports or can they get trusses to do that span? Would steel be cheaper with the lumber prices so high? The guy that remodeled our home used steel to open up the walls. Thanks for talking to us about this Ken.
Maybe making your own trusses saves some money, but clearly you don't enjoy it. It's worth it to buy them, I think. BUT, the timing is the big thing, and you got the job done on time.
Ken I’m surprise you don’t hand cut your roofs with rafters and ridge boards. I know the ceiling joist is the kicker with your garages but a little engineering and I’m sure you could make it work.
There is also lost business cost. If you have back to back jobs, taking time to build trusses reduces time to finish the build job and move to the next one. So building them doesn’t make sense unless you are being held up like this example.
Ken, I know truss builds are the exception, not the norm, but another cost to factor is potential lost earnings for jobs that could be done in place of the time spent building the trusses!
Father had a barn that had handmade Trussell's. They are still up for 69+ years the same way you make them. It is no different in quality or you can run a board down the middle and put a finger on it 16" on center and a load board across them.
Thanks Ken Another interesting video I’m on to rafter prep tomorrow for my 24’x24’ cape style garage with 10’ walls 26 2x10x20s I’m hoping to have the roof on mid October It’s just me with some occasional help But I’m getting there Do you use 3/4 plywood for the gussets on the rafters ? Thanks again God bless Seacoast NH here It’s not that cool here just yet Thankfully
Here in Canada its better to buy but there is way too much government overreach. We have build our own and got them inspected - they were far stronger - look what happened to Lumnah Acres with the truss that collapsed.
Thanks for doing a cost comparison video. I was curious if it was more cost prohibitive to build them yourself. Sounds like as long as you can buy them, might just as well buy them. 👍
A recent video on another channel compared (only to a limited extent, since sponsored by a truss mfr) the costs of using trusses vs. stick-built. The on-site time is a lot less with trusses. If you’re building the trusses yourself off-site, I don’t know how the total time would compare.
I started stick framing in my teens. Now, in my 50s, I build the truss. I found the easiest way for me is to pop lines on my slab of the house for a straight pattern of the truss needed. Then lay all my truss material out, attaching my gusset plates, keeping everything within the lines. All Eli witney and Ford assembly line theory, lol.
Haha sounds good
Always enjoy the cost breakdown and explanation of why you do the great things you do! Thanks
The big factor here is clearly the 4-6 weeks (plus processing time and the ~3-4 days plus delivery time). Your decision kept you and the boys gainfully employed. Just as important it also kept you from the stresses of having to rearrange your future jobs already on the books with set times which is something that I hate doing. Rearranging a construction schedule often times opens up gaps that cannot be filled with anything except unexpected down time. This prevented you from having to give your crew an unexpected few days off w/o pay and nobody including the boss likes that! Love when all pieces of the plan come together with limited changes and when a change is necessary it does not wreak havoc on a set schedule.
Ken this was a great factual comparison.....always remember the time you "lose" not being able to work on other parts of the job....
Good morning, Ken. Thanks for all that info. Good video! Now, go have a coffee and relax a bit. Enjoy the weekend. God bless.
Very thorough analysis. Time is money too. Thank you
The $95 labor stays in the family if your guys do the building, that’s food on their table if they want to put in the extra hours.
Except they have the work elsewhere otherwise
Makes me wonder why the truss companies are taking so long to fill orders?
I priced trusses for the 24'x24' garage/shop I'm starting soon and due to cost, availability and manpower, I decided to go with rafter/ridge/collar ties instead. Ken, your lucky to live in a place that leaves you the option to build your own trusses. I've seen jurisdictions on RUclips videos that maintain it's illegal to build your own...even by licensed carpenters/builders...they will refuse permits for it and make you purchase trusses.
It's worth making them yourself if it keeps you on schedule, especially this time of year. You're racing the weather.
Comparing the costs, there is not much difference to get those built by a company, but I know how it looks when you're running tight on weather or season. When things have to be done, you have to get it done. Therefore some extra hours are needed. Yet the success on finishing a project is priceless. 😇
Thanks, really about 30 dollars difference but huge time factor. Appreciate the video KK
Ken I sure wish I had your talents to do what you do.. you are very talented in construction.
Good morning Ken!
A beautiful 75° here in Mesa, Arizona, so I would imagine it’s a bit cool there.
Just heard you say it’s 34°.
Hope you get trusses delivered before the “snowman” hits.
Have a great day of building.
Hi, don’t want to be nitpicking but you forgot drinks and snakes lol great job breaking it down . Have a great weekend.
Very helpful. Go deep at cost of any product is the first step to became successful!
Treasure videos
Thank you
43 ° F Maryland USA 🇺🇸
In the painting business I used to get all the storms and screens from several jobs for the rainy days, always hated to leave customers hanging when winter made an early showing
If it’s crunch time and your on a schedule than I would say it’s worth it but any other time it’s not worth your effort! Thanks for pointing that out Ken! ✌🏼❤️🙏🏼
Good morning Ken
My uncle designed ,built , and sold the most popular automated saw used in the truss factory. His labor estimate to cut all of pieces in all of your trusses is 15 minutes total. DePauw saws..
Thanks for sharing this Ken. Since I'm building my own home, the materials cost comparison is what I was needing. I can see where it would save me alot of money to build them myself.
In today's world, you absolutely made the right decision! Best wishes.
Thanks
You’re outlook and ideas for videos is very appreciated Ken ! Thank you !
love the update ken. keep em coming. "If you build it, they will watch".
Good Morning Ken: great breakdown of costs, seems like in this case at least you came out OK, and get to go back to doing what you do best - build!
Ceiling joists, rafters, pony walls, collar ties, the bearing wall supporting the roof structure and more. Then came the truss manufacturer.
Thanks for the cost breakdown on the trusses. If you account for the time involved in you making them vs purchasing them, you have lost that time for building another garage. The cost difference is not as great as I thought it would be.
The only cost that may be considered is the lost time that could be put toward the project or another project. That is a much more difficult number to pin down. It would depend on how busy the contractor is and if there are jobs that they are putting off or losing out on because of that timing. Otherwise, great breakdown of the cost. And yeah, building trusses is a royal pain; it was my first experience in real residential construction, as a teenager!
Well done as always !!!
I live in Washington State and I've built 1 garage and just finishing a pole building. The costs are astronomical for trusses and some of the lumber used is grade z lumber... I've burned better 2x4's. All trusses have to be engineered for snow loads, wind and earthquakes. I really enjoy your show always entertaining and good information.
Thank you for the thorough analysis. The difference in cost is not that great. The time constraints are another factor that became important at this time of year. 🤔
Thanks buddy for the info always enjoy your videos
Very interesting, thanks!
Everything has tuned insane keep a templet on hand
You did good. The cost of lumber is still going up and down. So I’m thinking they are adding a little extra to the build of the trust to offset their business expenses . Thanks again for your work today.
great info, thanks Ken
We're at 5600 ft in the black hills of South Dakota. We've not yet dipped into the 30;'s It's 47 at 6:00 AM going to 70 today.
Do old carpenters ever retire Ken ? Ha ;-D Thanks for sharing your years of wisdom Ken .
Get used to dark mornings Ken... starting next year we stay in Daylight Savings Time year round!
I think thats the one thing i planned on buyiny was the gusets just because it would be that much faster and convient just stop at the hardware store and buy them when ready
One nice thing is by building your own trusses you can beef then to what you want for snow load my shop has 2x12 rafters trusses
Great explanation on cost of building the trusses, i think the only other thing that you could have added is the man hours used to build them could have been paying off in other areas. Thanks for the great videos.
Great explanation! As you said, you saved yourself time and money, putting the gable ends on 24” on center for the T-111. 😊
Great info Ken
I know I asked for this specifically the other day and I appreciate the follow up. I suspect you could crank these out faster if it's all you did, but that wasn't the point. We got to see a real-life comparison on how to make good use of your time and scheduling. IOW, life goes on and you didn't lose your shirt on the deal. That was a great business decision!
Spot on that Ken. Cheers 👍
Vs weeks and weeks of wait time. You are winning
Ken thank you for your knowledge on the subject. I have watched several videos on factories making trusses. WOW, that was interesting. The holding pins or guides adjusted by computer. Less than a minute to set, drop 2 x 4 in place, add press plates, run machine across, flip over, repeat plates and run again. Less than 5 minutes per truss. I have tried to make my own with a steel plate and sledge hammer. NO fun, but got the job done. I know you build the walls up off the floor about 3 feet, if you could do the same with the trusses? If you could find a clam shell type press to push the plates in there you go. I believe the ability to build the trusses when you need them, out of good material, might make it worth it. Hey you would get everything where you want it also. I just watched a video of a building inspector where pictures of house attic's showed broken trusses because sub-standard materials were used. I realize these trusses would not have passed muster with Ken. Keep up the good work, winter is just around the corner. Okay just watched a you tube video on how to build a 20 ton jig to press plates in place. Put the jig on rollers and roll it around to all the connections. Sorry Ken I am a retired auto mechanic, I found a way to get the car or truck fixed so I could get paid. This video looked interesting...
ruclips.net/video/O7t1ChSAwiA/видео.html
Nice video.
Very interesting Ken not much saving
Over the past five years, the average home price has gone up by 60% while the average income has risen by less than 15%,
Great point but I think you left out that 60% increase went into some ones pocket . Corporate profits and senior pay has never been higher
Back that up by a year or so and I think it’s closer to 100%+. At least here in the states. And I have a friend who bought three places to rent even as late as last month who really can’t afford them. Some people are going to be getting hosed. Housing needs a good thirty ish percent correction. Just what is says on paper.
Very informative
Depending on work load, some times its good to keep the guys working instead of sending them home.
Great job, I wish I had the option to build my own as well, but mine have to be engineered and built by truss company due to permit process.
You forgot your profit margin! Your supplier sure added it in. 😉
It's not time consuming if you have your own 50-ton hyraulic press. I buy plates from CH-Machine out of Alabama and can make a full truss in about a half hour with it after I have the tooling jigs set up. Super slick, you might want to consider making your own press. I can get you my design if you want to have a look at it. I had to make it myself out of pinned steel channel iron and bar stock since I didn't have access to a welder. It will press up to 5"x8" plates no problem. I had 28 trusses I needed to make, and I had an estimate at around $7K for the bid. After buying all lumber and supplies, I spent $2K in lumber, $450 in truss plate hardware, and $1K for the hydraulic press parts. I saved $3500 by doing it myself, one time. Subsequent times would really pay off.
Wow
Great info, Ken. Nice to see the detail you consider as a business owner.........it all matters. If you weren't paying attention, it would be very easy to go broke.
You know, those truss building hours could have been used to see who can fly a makeshift airplane, or setup hatchet throwing competitions. 🤣 Just kidding, of course...........maybe. hehe
I get it makes time to get stuff out
Your dedicated and loyal crew there Ken. Cost of labor? We know you are a You Tube star. But then your dedicated and loyal crew. They are You Tube stars too. Maybe you give them a ham at Christmas time. No that was not a kind thing to say. My bad. But ~ do they get a little bit of a You Tube boost ? Maybe? ~~~ Just saying.
Wow so interesting 🤔 👏!
Good Saturday mornin Kens Karpentry📐📏🔨✏ Having the expertise to build these trusses yourself, saved your bacon (so to speak). You gotta do whatcha gotta do .... well done. Take care Ken .... stay warm 🔥🔥👣
Ken you should hire more people to just build your own trust in the long run you well make more money great video
Personally I think others building trusses is a no brainer
well from my perspective it looks like you could make a profit from truss building if you had a dedicated building with jigs/fixtures for different sizes exclusively building trusses. you could also have pnuematic nailers hanging from the rafters to facilitate faster and easier nailing.
I'm glad you came out okay on the price, but it sure messes with the flow of the work. These are weird times- not long ago truss companies would be getting in line to accommodate you. But anyway- thanks for the update and I have to say I'm enjoying your channel more and more. Thanks !
I would trust your trusses over store bought trusses. You can trust me on that.😀
I think the joint plates of plywood and nails are stronger than the truss plates of metal, 22 foot 4/12 pitch truss 20 years ago was $39. wow !
So Yes building at shop was a good reason to get the delivery
Another advantage of buying is that you are available to do other things and generate revenue
Understand completely time is money, I went to trues company and watched them build them may 20 min for a trus and the really don't care what the lumber looks like they pop them in jig and all are precut and press the gusset in place ..so I get it have built
Many I my years , thanks for the great video my friend. 🌴🦈😎
The wood used in a truss usually sucks and is culls that don’t have to be straight just flat.
Too bad the truss manufacturers are running so far behind. I think it's good that they cost perhaps a bit less but the build is not as enjoyable having to build them. Your garage space is kind of small and your trailer makes it a bit harder to transport them. I understand that the convenience of getting them from a truss manufacturer is much better. Thanks for telling us that it's not just the lead time but the time to send information to the salesman and then them getting back to you on price that also takes time before they even start to get in the line to be built. So how long to you have to wait for the 28' x 28' garage's trusses? That is a large span. Will they have to go with center supports or can they get trusses to do that span? Would steel be cheaper with the lumber prices so high? The guy that remodeled our home used steel to open up the walls. Thanks for talking to us about this Ken.
Thanks. I think about 3 or 4 more weeks waiting for trusses
Maybe making your own trusses saves some money, but clearly you don't enjoy it. It's worth it to buy them, I think. BUT, the timing is the big thing, and you got the job done on time.
1st comment this morning, that’s a first for me .Thanks Ken for your lessons.
Edwardsville, ILLINOIS USA
Where is everyone else from?
Waterloo, Illinois ~ I use to work at the truss company in Columbia, Illinois some thirty years ago.
Ken I’m surprise you don’t hand cut your roofs with rafters and ridge boards. I know the ceiling joist is the kicker with your garages but a little engineering and I’m sure you could make it work.
Thanks for the update.. just a question how dose the trust company install the the piece of metal that holds the trust together.
I've only made the trusses once, and after all 21 of them I doubt I'll ever make another one lol
There is also lost business cost. If you have back to back jobs, taking time to build trusses reduces time to finish the build job and move to the next one. So building them doesn’t make sense unless you are being held up like this example.
Ken, I know truss builds are the exception, not the norm, but another cost to factor is potential lost earnings for jobs that could be done in place of the time spent building the trusses!
Father had a barn that had handmade Trussell's. They are still up for 69+ years the same way you make them. It is no different in quality or you can run a board down the middle and put a finger on it 16" on center and a load board across them.
Thanks Ken
Another interesting video
I’m on to rafter prep tomorrow for my 24’x24’ cape style garage with 10’ walls
26 2x10x20s
I’m hoping to have the roof on mid October
It’s just me with some occasional help
But I’m getting there
Do you use 3/4 plywood for the gussets on the rafters ?
Thanks again
God bless
Seacoast NH here
It’s not that cool here just yet
Thankfully
I think he said 5/8ths for the gusset plates for the trusses. So you're using a bit thicker plywood. That should work.
Hey Ken. Is it still cost effective to build the walls in the shop and truck them to the job site? With the price of gas these days😕
$95 for labor for three guys to build one truss seems way too light because you are not set up for it. It has to be more than that
What about a ridge board and rafters? Would that be a little more affordable?
Here in Canada its better to buy but there is way too much government overreach. We have build our own and got them inspected - they were far stronger - look what happened to Lumnah Acres with the truss that collapsed.
Well worth the money to buy them your right only makes sense in a pinch
The wind is a gust that will happen overall lift power on the roof.
Ur trellis looks more structural sound via the prefabricated. Was that a 60.00 savings for the convenience prefabricated. Interesting!
I would like to know where to buy sheets of the metal plates truss companies use, must come in 4ft by 8ft sheets.
They don't come in sheets... you buy them per size but without the press they are a pain to press on
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Better make hay while sun shines next couple years may not be so promising!
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Sounds like - usually there are more productive uses of your time instead of building trusses.
Well, diy and you'll make it at 33%(or so) of the price... $75 instead of $215 !!
5:15 you should be deducting your building from your taxes as part of a business expense given how you use it to store and assemble materials.
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how many trusses did you make?
13
@@kenskarpentry almost $500 savings...not bad either
Thanks for doing a cost comparison video. I was curious if it was more cost prohibitive to build them yourself. Sounds like as long as you can buy them, might just as well buy them. 👍
It's gotta be faster to cut rafters and use a ridge
A recent video on another channel compared (only to a limited extent, since sponsored by a truss mfr) the costs of using trusses vs. stick-built. The on-site time is a lot less with trusses. If you’re building the trusses yourself off-site, I don’t know how the total time would compare.
I’m sorry, but for about $20 per truss, there are so many things I would rather turn my attention to. Haha!
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