Thank you for reacting to this earlier than you would've and for the fans for letting him know. "With enough harassment, you can achieve anything" - Sam O'Nella
I can't recommend this channel enough!!! LEMMiNO creates vastly superior reporting and documentaries than most television, with an incredible focus on being objective and providing sources. Being both entertaining, scientific *and* have such an insane quality is just mind-boggling. If comparing for sheer talents and quality, LEMMiNO is legit top 10 material for *the entire* youtube platform.
been on youtube for 15+ years and been watching him since 2016, easily the best channel on youtube. his videos have only been improving in quality, if that was somehow possible
This is what reaction videos should be. Don't just let the video play and entertain your audience for you, add something to it and make your reaction worthwhile in its own right
This is in no way what reaction videos should be. It acts as a replacement for the original, there are large sections where he adds nothing of substance. While not as lazy as other reactors this is also harmful to the whole creator economy, he'd be much better off watching the video beforehand so he knows which parts to focus on and what he can add
@@Nattytom500Idk, it's interesting to see his perspective and knowledge on the topic considering his field. I mean, saying nothing is still a reaction, he's still literally watching it, not just letting it play.
@@Whooler6by Yes, it is interesting to see his input. I'm not discounting that. What I'm pushing for is a cultivated approach. Watching the video beforehand and preparing. What is gained from this format of watching the entire thing and having off the cuff comments? Saying nothing might technically be a reaction but it isn't a good one. It adds nothing to the video and is just riding on the coattails of the video. This type of video is harmful to the wider creator economy regardless of how "good" it is. Every time this is suggested to somebody that is original content that isn't being suggested. It might not be the LEMMiNO video being replace but it will be something else. If there were no reaction videos on youtube original content would get all the impressions.
@@Nattytom500 Yeah the reaction video should at least be delayed until the views on the original have slowed to a trickle. Lemmino goes months between uploads because of how labor intensive his content is. It makes me sad that people take money out of his pockets.
Tbf most other creators can’t offer much insight into things like this. And exception would be DB Cooper video where Moist Critical was able to offer his own opinions
@@braxtonsmith3726yeah, only things you can get from a non-historians are opinions/theories on the mystery in question (not that it’s a bad thing necessarily, they can still be entertaining but have less overall context of the situation)
@@braxtonsmith3726Moist Critical does actually talk about his thoughts on his reactions and doesn't just sit there watching it saying "oh my god". Even adds some of his own ideas and beliefs on it.
I don't really consider this a reaction. It's more of an add on to the original with extra history and insight. It's not just a streamer watching in complete silence with a bowl of food
He does have a tendency to provide context. I watched this without the commentary and it was good, but strangely I missed the head in the corner lol. My wife has been driving me but because since I’ve found him (you if you’re reading this too lol) I’ve been binging all of these history channels! I love it but she just rolls her eyes!
This is one of those rare channels who can appreciate the editing and work that went into the original video. Your reactions allways are more of an additional commentary than just a "reaction". Love it.
19:00 Oswald seemed like a smart enough guy. He probably figured his coworkers would be questioned like this following his assasination attempt, this question to Jarman i always figured was a way of trying to obscure his involvement ("how could it possiby be me? i didnt even know he was driving by!")
Lemmino has perfected the art of making the fans wait just enough time between videos and then dropping a 10/10. I watched the original as soon as it hit my sub box
He is hands down one if not the best content creator on RUclips. This is high tv level production value. And his research is unbelievable for a single person. He had 228 sources many of them was long government reports whith many hundreds of pages and he must have read a large part of them. It's crazy how much time it must take researching on the level he does.
I went to Dallas and, of course, visited the book depository. As an ex-British Army soldier I realised the short range and angle of fire from the window meant any trained rifleman would have had an easy shot at Kennedy.
But what about the trees full of leaves blocking the fatal shot? I was there in the fall and there were still plenty of leaves on the trees. As a trained marksman, I've always wondered this, but why wait until after the turn to take a much harder shot? Wouldn't it be easier to take the straight on shot, despite the car moving faster? It was slowing anyway to make the strange turn, so why not take the easier shot?
@@cggc9510Because it becomes a kill box after that slow left hand turn. You’re right if it’s a single shooter. If you miss, you have time for follow up shots. Once the turn is made, it’s a math problem on the fly as the target is moving down and away from the shooter. Much harder for a single shooter. The grassy knoll is straight, flat and an easier shot. Not to mention men masquerading as secret service agents chased people away…and the secret service had no agents there. There’s a ton of evidence to support a conspiracy. Both in Dealy, Parkland hospital and the autopsy back in Bethesda. Not to mention the Warren Report. 🤷♂️
I've watched some of your content in the past but I'm really getting back into it. Man you definitely deserved my subscription! Imagine FDR not surviving his assassination attempt; it is historical fiction waiting to be written!
Ronald Reagan came very very close to dying also, when shot by John Hinkley. If Reagan had died, would anyone have believed the "official story"? That Hinkley was nuts? That he stalked Jodie Foster? Probably not. People would've blamed the CIA, the mafia, the Soviets, the Cubans, aliens, bigfoot, etc. The true story would be deemed unbelievable.
FDR not surviving there is actually one of the premises in Philip K Dick’s alternate history classic The Man in the High Castle, where the USA is divided after Germany and Japan win World War II.
Very often, when people say, "There's a lot more to the story than what the official narrative claims," they never have any actual evidence to back up their claims. They just regurgitate whatever conspiracy they hear on their favorite podcast, without ever doing research themselves. That's why Lemino is so great 👍
@@MrGforce52 Be kind of sad if they had spent countless hours doing it and had to just say "oh, yeah it was all straightforward after all". I've no idea what the real truth is but I do know the sunk cost fallacy is real.
This feels like one of those events where the way things line up is so crazy, that it had to have been nothing but utterly tragic coincidence. Much like in some of the Ripper murders, where, but for a few minutes, even seconds, might have led to the capture of the Ripper.
It’s not a coincidence lol, yeah it’s random it was Oswald but it was for a reason it wasn’t so out the blue, if it wasn’t gonna be Oswald, it was gonna be someone else, he got hired by the CIA, it’s not a coincidence that he gets hired at that place to work and for some reason decides to murder the President, he was hired to do so, it would of been someone else if it wasn’t him
@grmacs95 That's kind of the point, though? It's been endlessly researched. There's just not enough evidence to point towards a conspiracy. History is filled with these kind of things. Just the nature of how things are. No reason to assign extra nefarious purposes to them.
@@ValDraper Did you know that the US Government has 2 different results for the assassination? The Warren Commission decided that it was a lone gunman. And the Assassination Records Review Board (AARB) decided that it was a conspiracy. Both government funded elements. 2 different solutions.
JFK came to New Haven for a speech at Yale in mid-Oct. 1962. It was just before the Cuban Missile Crisis was made public. I was 8. My grammar school and Nathan Hale, just down the road from us, were let out to see his car drive by from Tweed New Haven Airport. It was a gorgeous sunny and cool morning as his open limo slowly rolled up Woodward Ave. The kids were all lined along the curb on one side of the street and we cheered so happily as he came into view. I'll never forget it. The President looked so handsome and his beautiful red hair blazed like fire in the bright sun. I remember thinking: I WISH HE WAS MY DADDY. His murder a year later was traumatic for a child in love with this father figure, and when I saw Lee Oswald get shot on live TV, it put me literally over the edge. My childhood ended that Sunday morning. For years, late at night I worried that a stranger would come into our house and kill someone: my parents, my brother, my sister, me. Reading this back, I'm crying again.
VTH before I started watching your channel I always liked history but after i found your channel I love learning history and watching you react to amazing content like this and your one of the main reasons i want to be a history teacher so i can educate people on history just like you do
When you look at the backstory in this sort of play-by-play format, it makes it hard to believe that the Soviet government was behind the whole thing. I mean, it's certainly possible that they wanted to kill JFK. And it appears that Oswald did try to get involved with the Soviet government, so a conspiracy does seem like the simplest explanation on the face of it. I get why a lot of people think there's more to the story. But digging into the circumstances like this, it seems like the conspirators would have to be omniscient to predict the circumstances that would lead to Oswald having that opportunity to shoot Kennedy. I'm a lot more prepared to chalk it up to just being one of those situations in history where the planets align - that this guy sees the opportunity fall into his lap out of nowhere, and he just happens to be someone who would want to kill the President... and takes his shot. Edit to add: I suppose it's also possible that he always intended to kill JFK and that his access to such a good vantage point was a remarkably lucky coincidence. From that point of view, a conspiracy becomes more plausible.
The main conspiracy in the United States is that the CIA did it. Incredible to me. This conspiracy was amplified by the KGB, in one very cynical move, even by the KGB.
Gotta be honest, I slacked a bit watching VTH in the recent months, not that much content interesting to me, but this again is really where you shine, Chris. devoured the original video literally the moment it came out and now watching your take on it is great. you have the insight as an american, you probably know tons of people who witnessed it (pretty sure you too were not born when it happened) and obviously you were at the site and read/watched more about it then the average person, so who better youtuber to watch for an even deeper dive into the topic?
This may sound harsh, but I think a lot of these "witnesses" wanted to feel more important than they really were, simply due to their proximity. I unfortunately speak from personal experience. When something crazy happens, and you're by it (sometimes even when you're not actually that close at all), you feel a disproportionate amount of attachment & significance to the event. I suspect when a lot of these people realize what had actually happened right before their eyes, a lot of them felt like they personally should "help" in some way, even if they didn't have much in terms of valuable information to offer. Imagine standing right under or right across the building from someone who JUST shot the president... Wouldn't you immediately try to recall anything you could? In reality, you're not expecting things like this to occur, so your brain isn't actively scanning for details or trying to retain information. You're waiting to see the president. You're looking for his motorcade. You may be glancing around, but you do that every day everywhere you go. So you then try to piece together what you THINK you know, but often let new details shape your recollection. I'm certain there was a ton of chatter at the street level as to what just transpired, and you quickly hear all kinds of things. Even if these witnesses didn't, they certainly heard plenty on the radio/TV/newspapers in the weeks & months following the assassination to the time these later interviews took place. But back to the main point, knowing you witnessed a piece of history will make you feel "special" or important in some way. Even just being nearby is enough for some people to place some sort of unique relevance to themselves in the situation. There was a shooting at a strip mall in Allen, TX not too long ago, and even though it was miles away, I heard countless stories of "I went to that place just 3 months ago, it could've been me!" or "that person went to the school my daughter went to 10 years ago!" .........like how is ANY of that relevant? Anyway, sorry about the rant, but it just reminded me of how unreliable people can be in these situations.
A lot of things like that have condemned people. I myself was implicated in a crime because the “witness” knew she was in trouble (they threatened her with substantial jail time) unless she “gave them someone”. They didn’t bother to corroborate her account and so set me up. She didn’t know, however, that I was out of town the 3 days prior and couldn’t have done what she claimed. The phone records further refuted her version. Shocker, someone trying to save themselves lied! But the cops didn’t bother investigating til AFTER they arrested me. Sat in jail for a while before they came back saying to my lawyer that they “wished they got me first to flip on her” because they were now sure “she was the one who did it”. 🤦♀️ My mugshot and her version they put in the initial arrest report is still the first thing that comes up if you google my name. Doesn’t matter charges were dropped. They never report that. Even fingerprints can be unreliable ( human rights lawyer who’s prints “matched “ the Madrid train bombing though he never left the US). Bite marks are completely BS and faux science. Even DNA was just found and a homeless alcoholic arrested for a home invasion murder w/DNA under nails. Cops convinced him he did it, lawyer looking for evidence only to avoid the death penalty (he was “clearly guilty “) found he had been blackout drunk and had evidence he never left the hospital. Turns out the EMTS they brought him into the ER were the same ones who responded to the home invasion and transferred the DNA. But they see on TV that if someone is arrested then they “must be guilty of something “.
@@marquisdelafayette1929 yeah our legal system is terrible. If anyone finds themselves being questioned and the police are being dodgy about why you are their especially If you are innocent demand a lawyer. At best they are following a dead end lead a worst they are trying to bait you.
Like Trump claiming to have seen the planes hit on 9/11, when he was nowhere near it. Claiming he had seen Muslims "celebrating", even though that's a total lie and he wasn't even there. Good point. Eyewitnesses are often innocently wrong, but sometimes intentionally wrong too.
I'm not a fan of medical shows, but there's this one episode of Grey's Anatomy I've never forgotten. Basically, one of the characters is in a car and sees a plane going down before it crashes. Throughout the episode, he keeps describing it, with this other character nearby each time, the story becoming more and more elaborate, to the point she tells him she feels like the next time he tells it, he's going to conclude, "and then I died." 😂
I remember visiting the depository on a school trip as a kid in the 90s. At that time, the sixth floor was open if I remember correctly, but the actual sniper's perch was a protected display. I stood two windows down and felt this strange feeling. Later, while telling my mom, she said "Powerful." That was exactly the feeling.
Yeah, I visited in 2014. The actual window is guarded by a glass case containing a replica cardboard-box sniper's nest. But the window on the floor above it is accessible to the public.
I will tell something never said before: Oswald got the idea RIGHT on Thursday 21st. That day he asked a ride to the Payne house, to recollect his riffle. The riffle he transported in a field disassembled state, so it would be slightly shorter, and even could be been hidden under his jacket, that's why he wanted to create a distance between him and his co-worker who drove him there. But! He forgot his other gun, an old revolver in his boarding house, and later he realized, a fleeing murderer needs a handgun, maybe to hijack cars, and so on. The fact that he went all the way to his boarding house to get other clothes and his handgun indicates for me: Lee Harvey Oswald did not plan this for weeks, not even days ahead, but he took his opportunity in the spur of the moment, thinking on his feet, the day before. Also: he had narcissistic tendencies: he felt like he needed admiration, he felt he was special, smarter, and also: narcissists are remarkably cool under stress, self-confident, and determinate to get what they want. He was rejected in Mexico for entering Cuba. He was a failure in everything, even his marriage, and piss poor. But if he killed JFK, maybe Cuba and some archenemies of the USA would put him on a pedestal. So the motive was the urge for recognition and a grudge, his opportunity was his experience with riffles and the fact he worked on the motorcade route, his time window was the moment all his co-workers went out to see the motorcade and nobody was watching him, also he had no friends and nobody was missing him. But the balls, the balls. He did not even use a muffler on his gun, yet walked out the door as nothing happened. Only a cool-headed narcissist with a military background can. He disappeared in the crowd, because he looked like a nobody. That's why he did it. His mother put him in an orphanage, his father died before he was born. They were piss poor, and he lacked love. Being slightly more intelligent than his peers (IQ 119) also was contributory to his thinking he was superior and special and deserved more in life than being a 1,25 per hour blue collar worker. Also, he used some speed, which makes you concentrate better, but also more violent. But why the headshot on JFK seemed to be an exit wound? Maybe bullet three was a dumdum bullet. Why he didn't aim at the chest? Of course, the only target to be seen was his head. Why not shoot at the front, with the limousine incoming? Well, all the Secret Service would be aiming at him. Shooting in the back is the narcissist way. Case closed.
Thanks for this update, Professor Chris. I've watched the original video three times, I have just been waiting with bated breath for your annotations and commentary. Your channel is amazing!
I love Lemmino's videos on conspiracy theories, mainly because he takes them seriously as to not insult the believers, but then piece-by-piece he tears them apart until its clear that they are false. Obviously Lee Harvey Oswald was the killer 😂 now where there is room for possible debate is whether or not Oswald was working alone
I mean nobody seriously doubts that Lee Harvey Oswald was one of the shooters. Even the crazier conspiracy theories are either saying there were other shooters or that Oswald was working for another country or organization.
This was well done as always but he glossed alot of important details. 1. The umbrella man cough cough signal 2. 1 in billion The magic bullets 3. George W Bush. Didn’t know why he was there oh wait he was there to make sure something didn’t happen and he failed miserably as cia and then was suddenly promoted to director. 4. The evidence disappears day after that had a much more clear view 5. The grassy noll smoke from other side which is impossible if Oswald was the only shooter 6. Which means there were multiple shooters and the people who were shot. Governor and JT testimonies prove this. 7. The impossibility of the tree shot 8. How the most famous case at the time had noone recording the interrogation 9. The multiple other ties i could mention but you get the point. To give lamino credit i think he was just trying to go with the official story which he did a good job at retelling.
@@J0k3rz bro, there is no corroborating evidence for literally any of the assumptions you just made. Im sorry bud, Oswald was the killer. He actually murdered 2 people lol.
I was absent from school and sick that day watching "Jeopardy" and "Eye Guess" when bulletins of the shooting was announced. I still have a Boston Globe that was saved from the next day. To a 14 year old it seemed amazing that "History" was now happening right on the TV. This was all happening durring the ""Civil War Centennial and gave us a feeling of connectedness to the Lincoln assassination that previously seemed as distant as the Roman Empire to a kid.
I’m usually not a fan of reactors pausing and talking too much during a video but I really enjoyed your input every time you spoke. As I found it to add a lot the the context in a meaningful and not disturbing way. Well done!!
That guy who gave Oswald a ride to the Texas SBD on 11/22/1963 can be seen on a RUclips video saying that the “curtain rods” package carried by Oswald during the car ride was too short and not bulky enough to have been a rifle.
He also said in his testimony that he didn't look at it that closely. The other person who saw it claimed that it almost touched the ground. When he said the package was too short was he comparing it to a fully assembled or a disassembled rifle?
Great content, from both you and Lemmino. I used to be a huge conspiracy buff, but now I easily accept the obvious fact that Oswald did it. For those that doubt it: it's a virtual certainty that Oswald tried to kill Edwin Walker with the same rifle. Oswald was not a well man - he was an absolute loon who saw himself as an important historical figure and wanted to "prove it".
It's amazing how quickly they determined it was Oswald and that he acted alone. It's almost as if they were happy with that as it cut off any unwanted connections to other groups.
@@dj71162 as said at the end of LEMiNO's video. The quickness to blame could have been part of a benign conspiracy by the authorities. They had just been blindsided by the assassination and wanted to project the image that wouldn't get them scrutinized for their incompetence.
It would be really interesting to see you react to wendigoons videos on the mlk and jfk assassination - they're really interesting and dive into both the accepted stories and other theories
I have notifications enabled for Lemmino, so I watched this entirely beforehand. It's a pleasure to watch a 2nd time and hear your perspective alongside it.
I watched the whole video. All I’ll say is it’s one of the few on the Kennedy assassination which hits on many of the right points. I agree with you in that it’s important to visit these places and “walk in the footsteps of history.” Also, last year, I visited the National Museum of the Air Force in Dayton, Ohio and walked on board SAM 26000 - the plane which took Kennedy to Dallas and brought his coffin back. My visit was on November 22 - exactly 59 years to the day of the assassination.
Hi, Chris, good to have you back. That was an impressive and very interesting video. It must have taken a lot of research and preparation. He does some brilliant videos. I always find it fascinating how tiny apparently inconsequential actions can lead to massive historical events. Looking forward to the rest.
As a former 911 dispatcher I can back that up peoples testimony for something as simple as a car accident we get 10 calls on it and the location and color of the car changes with each call
I immediately watched the original - along with over a million others - within hours of it dropping. Had to laugh knowing you’d be getting every message about reacting to it. Thanks for jumping on it so quickly and out of your norm!!!
Seeing the old video from Young Dan Rather discussing the Zapruder film and then comparing that to actually watching the Zapruder film is mind-blowing. He had to have been told exactly what to say. Because no one would come up with that description from watching it.
He was stunned and upset watching a very grisly film and his description of seeing Kennedy's head explode forward is clearly just his way of describing Kennedy's massive exit wound (and blood halo) explode outward. This is crackpot paranoia.
I am so impressed with Lemmino's attention to detail in these videos-- it is really impressive. I felt the same about the Jack the Ripper video as well. Great content and great insights from Chris as always.
Appreciate your comments and thoughts invested into this video. I'm aware of recent controversies surrounding reaction videos in general, but imho your videos are definitely transformative and entertaining in their own right.
Not only did Oswald try to defect to the USSR, he was super adamant about it. The USSR initially refused him and he then harmed himself so he could go to a hospital there. They eventually relented and had him under _heavy_ surveillance. He was taught Russian by someone who would go on to become the first President of the independent country of Belarus, and he worked in a factory there. Married and had a child. Then all of a sudden he decided he wanted to defect back to the United States, supposedly because of a lack of "night clubs" and other things in the USSR. Very odd guy. The CIA has denied knowing anything about him prior to the killing which is extremely unlikely considering his adventures into the USSR, and we now know they lied about not knowing him, which has been all confirmed by the memos released by Biden in 2022. He was actually a person of interest & under investigation by the office that does counter-espionage in the CIA, and his mail was apparently being read. This apparently was not something the Commission needed to know, despite them literally asking about it.
One of my favorite stories on this topic,and what could have been,is Steven King's 11/22/63. A great story about going back in time and trying to stop the assassination. Also trying to find out who did it if Oswald had help ECT. It was a really good mini series that I would recommend as well to anyone interested in the topic.
Just watched this video a couple days ago, so happy you’re covering this! Very interesting recap of the details, curious to hear what you think of the final conclusions the video draws as well
I love this topic since my childhood. If I ever visited the US, there'd be only one historic place I'd love to visit, the Dealey Plaza. I'm glad you've decided to touch this topic.
I saw a documentary some years ago that said the first shot hit the crossbar of the traffic light just before Oswald's view would have been obstructed by the tree. The crossbar is visible in camera shots from the 6th floor window made during various reconstructions. This would make sense since, as I recall, bullet fragments were found by a curb and a spectator standing by the road as it went under the overpass was hit in the face by other fragments. Again, as I recall, the examination of the crossbar, which was still there at the time of the documentary I saw, wasn't conclusive. The crossbar had been painted over multiple times since 1963.
Lemmino knocked it out of the park with this video. I was always on the fence about the Kennedy assassination (not believing the conspiracy theories per se, but just questioned the official story), but his video swayed me. Just like he did with Jack the Ripper and DB Cooper, he lays out all of the facts, evidence, contradictions, and theories in a concise and easy to understand manner. I think it's fair to say that he convinced me on Lee Harvey Oswald being the killer after all, but it's probably more accurate to say he's the first one to show the whole story in a digestible manner.
I_donbt know much about american history but did the conspiracy theory assume oswald was connected to the cia or did they suspect a second shooter like you said.
@@burrybondz225 Tbh I never deep dived into the Kennedy theories, but the big ones I've heard are; A second shooter on a grassy knoll (which Lemmino goes into later in the video) with Oswald being framed, or that Oswald was part of a larger group that manipulated events to get Kennedy in position, and that same group killed Oswald to prevent him from spilling the beans. There's probably more out there, but those are the ones I'm aware of.
This video does a good job at laying everything out. I also read the book Case Closed by Gerald Posner. Even Oswald's brother, Robert Oswald, was convinced that Oswald acted alone.
@@KayWhyCommandothose are all popular conspiracy theories but they are definitely not alone. I have heard people claim an unknown amount ranging from the CIA, FBI, Fidel Castro, Russia, Lindon B Johnson, The Mafia, some of the more ridicules ones even Suggest the Presidents wife. Like many other unsolvable mysteries it gives people something they can endlessly spin their minds on. Testing new theories and facts on what they believe in this way it is simply entertainment to a lot of people.
Now that we know that Zapruder had to stop to wind up the camera changes everything. We now know that one bullet hit a traffic signal standard, accounting for a lot.
Yes, Ruby acted alone. There was no conspiracy there. He was somewhat of an unstable personality and very passonate. He worshipped JFK and was heartbroken for Mrs. Kennedy. A sad, sad person, really.
@gaylebaker8419 You are 100% correct in what you said Gayle. Virtually everything Ruby did from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning when he shot Oswald is VERY well known. For anyone believing Ruby was some hired killer, just look into all the crazy shit he was doing Friday-Sunday. He was at Western Union sending a stripper a $25 money order at 11:17 am Sunday morning and shot Oswald at 11:21 am. (think about that for a second -- IF there had been even ONE other person in line before him he would have never even seen the Oswald transfer). He left his beloved dog and constant companion, Sheba, in his car -- does that seem like a hit man ??? Ruby was PISSED Oswald killed JFK - and A LOT of people were. A LOT !! And yes, thank you @krennels, Ruby was justifiably irate when thinking of Jackie having to come back to Dallas, or even testify from afar and be forced to relive that horror. Thank you both for your posts.
I like the point made at 26:10 (of Oswald planning this/throwing off suspicion by not talking about it with his wife), I had assumed he was trying to make sure she had as little info as possible so she wouldn’t be suspected of anything
which oswald was not dumb enough to believe, the week before agent hosty had been out to the paine house to talk to marina, so she was already well eastablished on the fbis radar , and of course she came under a ton of heat following that. and marina now believes that oswald wasnt a trigger man so theres that.
If you want to dive deeper into the subject of JFK assassination, there is a fantastic video from the channel "Ask the Mortician" that talks more about what happened with the body of the President afterwards
28:33 this reminds me of that South Park joke when Mr.Garrison asks the police chief on whats the best place to assassinate someone is. And the clueless police chief just tells him : D
If you like reading, and specifically historical fiction, I highly recommend the Stephen King book 11/22/63. It's a departure from King's usual horror, and it's an absolutely fantastic read 👍
I paused the video around 7 minutes in to comment to my wife about the similarities to the Gavrilo Princip incident and then hit play only to hear you bring it up. It's so odd that perhaps the two most famous assassinations of the 20th century were both seemingly the result of opportunistic young men who just happened to find themselves on the driving route of a powerful person.
Tiny Dealey Plaza . No sane assassin would have shot from the grassy knoll . Perceptions change when you go there . I have been there at least 20 times . No front shooter .
I work in a building a quarter of the size of the book depository, and I couldn't tell you when I saw half my coworkers yesterday, what they were doing, what they were holding, where they were going, etc. I have to assume most of the Book Depository workers were really reaching to recall these details about Oswald. The eye witness testimony that matters is the testimony of those that were close enough with Oswald to have actual recollection of the details that matter, and all of that testimony points to it being Oswald.
To your point, VTH, at 3:40 or 3:45. Jack Ruby was actually an avid supporter of JFK. When he heard Kennedy was killed, it was reported he cried throughout the day and entered a depressive state.
I just discovered your channel. This was a great reaction video - on to the next ones :) By the way, a good example of how witness testimony is unreliable and can ruin someone's life is hilariously portrayed in the movie My Cousin Vinny. I love that movie.
I really don't want to shame people who believe in certain conspiracies. Because some conspiracies could be true, but in cases like this, where if you actually put all the facts in front of you, the chances of this being not a conspiracy of the CIA or FBI or a foreign agency become lower and lower. So it's really sad to see some people who watched this video still deny obvious facts. This is why i'm so thankfull for you being so nuanced in most of your takes about stuff like this. Which is the reason you're a good hisotrian.
I am really happy your reacting to this early, great way to start my weekend. When i was watching this video the similarities between this assassination and the one on Franz Ferdinand could not have been clearerer both events that could have easily been prevented. And all the coincidences that needed to happen for us to end up here is kind of insane to think about.
I agree that Oswald was very likely the only shooter and he definitely was the shooter in the Book Depository. I think the Murder of Officer Tippit throws hot water on any claim that Oswald was innocent or a "Patsy." That being said, I still believe there is a lot of mystery surrounding Ruby and his intentions, especially when myths about his motives have been spread around since the killing of Oswald from "wanting to spare Jackie Kennedy from the trial" (complete nonsense made up by one of Ruby's lawyers) or that he was overcome with patriotism and wanted to seek revenge on Oswald, something that friends and associates of Ruby believed was highly unlikely. Adding to the mystery, Ruby himself never testified at his criminal trial and the defense given by his lawyers was that he suffered an epileptic seizure and had no memory of killing Oswald. Ruby was also examined and spent extended time with psychologist Louis "Jolly" West prior to Ruby's testimony at the Warren Commission. West was a well known and respected psychologist who specialized in violence, what was not known to the general public at the time is that West was also a leading scientist for the CIA's MK Ultra program from the early 1950s. If there was anything sinister with Ruby's motives in this event, we will probably never know.
Tippet nickname was Jack because he looked exactly like President Kennedy. Btw if you think Oswald covered a mile in less than 6 minutes without being seen sprinting you clearly never been a runner.
@@jeremyjames9538 Admittedly I am not a JFK assassination expert, but based on what I do know I think those who believe there could have been a conspiracy should put more focus on Ruby and his motivations as opposed to the actual shooting of JFK, as there seems to be much more "smoke" there. Again I am not an expert and you could very well be right about the distance he would have needed to cover.
@David-sl6xf Ruby was paid to kill Oswald. Ruby owed thousands to the IRS for taxes and was paid the exact amount he owed to kill Oswald. Dallas police at the time were considered the most corrupt in the nation and most of them went to Ruby's clubs. Coincidently also where most of Kennedy secret service detailed party into the early morning hours the night before the assassination. One even left his service pistol in the club. Right before Ruby was trying to be honest about what really happened surrounding the assassination he got aggressive cancer, coincidently was also was the means doctors working for the CIA was trying to develop in the hopes of killing Castro. Eric Hunley and Mark Groubert in America's untold stories do an in-depth series on the assassination and the major players. Including as most witnesses account describe a Ruby looking character as the one who kill J.D. Tippit who was likely set up to be murdered by his PD because his resemblance to JFK so much so his nickname was Jack. Why was he set up? In case they needed a replacement body for the autopsy photos in an attempt to cover up the real people behind the assassination and more than one shooter.
I just have to say that I really appreciate you and how you react in your videos. You have your personal feelings/opinions but you actually are objective and respectful. I watched another channel that dove into this as a “historian” and was anything but objective. Enjoy all your videos and wish nothing but the best for you!
Decoding the Unknown (one of Simon Whistler's channels, by far the best one in my opinion) had a great video on the Kennedy assassination that's an hour and a half long, and it's really good. At the end of it, I was left with the opinion of "I don't know about any of these specific conspiracies, but there was a lot of smoke for there to have been no fire."
Today is the first time I went and saw a video of JFK's death. Bloody hell was it more brutal then I thought. I though it essentially went clean into his head and then he slumped back dead. Nope. Blew his top open. Poor Jacqueline Onassis got one of the worst first hand looks into her deceased husbands head. Talk about a nightmare on elm street.
Great Video Chris! I’m really looking forward to this (likely 4 part) reaction! I still personally think Oswald wasn’t acting alone, simply because of the direction that JFK’s head fragments. However I also accept that there’s no 100% way (for us) to know and still respect the opinion of those who think he did act alone.
I been all over the spectrum over the years. Oswald was the lone gunman. He fired at least 2 shots but there was at least another shot coming from somewhere else. Finally, to Oswald didn't fire any shots at all! :) This outstanding video has me back to Oswald firing at least 2 shots, if not all 3. I hope that Lemmino does future videos on the subject.
After seeing, in 2023, the insane and sometimes horrible things people will do just for some clicks/views on TikTok... the idea that Oswald was a narcissist who wanted fame is pretty easily believable as motive. Delusions of grandeur are a big theme in Oswald's life, far beyond just the assassination.
Great video as always both by Lemmino and Chris. When people label you a "conspiracy theorist" it usually means you're on to something. As for the US government, they would ABSOLUTELY stoop to this level and they often do. Means, motive and opportunity are all there in spades.
John F kennedy’s secret service agent Clint hill had a lot of guilt after this because we was riding on the back of kennedy’s car minutes before but decided to get off and ride on a car behind the president, then when he heard the first shot he got off the back car and ran to the car of the president but was too late and got to the car after he was shot in the head
I know this comment is old, but like the video says, the fact that there would be a motorcade, and that it would go past the Depository, was not known publicly until a week before the assassination. Which, like the video points out, suggests his employment there was incidental. In fact, my main takeaway from the video was really how mundane everything was leading up to the assassination. No Hollywood plot. No conspiracy. Just a guy with a gun.
Ive never thought Oswald was necessarily innocent, but ive always felt there were others. And theres certainly numerous reasons for why he may have been killed and any number of ppl who may have been responsible. The Mob, the communists, the alphabet agencies. There just so many possibilities
It's disappointing that the "official story" is actually true story, just how mundane it is. But given how terrible the government (US, Soviet, or others) is at keeping secrets, the beans would've been spilled by now if that had been the case. And the mafia especially - nothing stays a secret with the mob. Incidentally, (and I said this above) to people saying Jack Ruby was "mob connected" and making a huge deal of it: we were ALL mob connected in the 60s, in the bar/restaurant industry. Mafia was a much bigger thing in those days, and even in a small restaurant you'd have bookies coming in all the time, numbers rackets, loan sharks, mob-connected guys selling you your vending machines, cigarette machines, trying to sell you booze that "fell off a truck", and all the rest of it. Mafia was everywhere. Jack Ruby having met some mob guys... that's just the 60s.
Oswald made no attempt to blow any conspiracy to any cop, any member of his family, to the President of the Dallas Bar Association, or to a live TV audience of millions.
I've seen this video already, too. But I never recommended it b/c I knew the rest of the internet would. For the record, I DO believe Oswald was the shooter and was the only shooter. There's been a number of videos put out now that re-create the gunfire and everything lines up with what we've always have been told, yes, including the "magic bullet". Love this video, tho. Glad you're doing the reaction VTH!
I used to work at 55 Water Street in NYC. It directly overlooks the East River heliport in Lower Manhattan. When the president comes to visit, you can see *several* snipers positioned on nearby rooftops. The president also never steps off the helicopter - 3 helis come in and land, and the president steps directly from the chopper into an armored vehicle that's pulled up directly next to it. You never see him and you never actually know which heli or which vehicle they're in.
Just some points of correction: 1. There were more than 3 shots fired, which is why the Warren Omission had to concoct the magic bullet theory 2. Ruby hated Kennedy. So his killing of Oswald makes no sense, unless you dig further and discover that Ruby and Oswald knew each other because they worked together on Castro assassination projects 3. The JFK visit to Dallas was arranged back in July. Johnson had been pressuring JFK to campaign in Dallas for months. Oswlad liked Kennedy, and was working for the ONI, had high level security clearances, and was an informant for the FBI. This is all well documente now. Ruth Paine had CIA connections, along with her husband Michael, who had top level security clearance with Bell Helicopter. 4. Oswald did indeed have a driver's license. It showed up in a filing cabinet at the Texas Department of Public Safety bureau on November 27, 1963. It was quite the talk around the office that day. Multiple witnesses came forward who saw it. Oswald's brother testified to the WC that Lee could drive. By pretending to not being able to drive, Lee could travel around without being traced and without Marina knowing where he was. 5. Oswald was NOT a communist sympathizer. He was sent to the Soviet Union as part of the Cold War US defector program which tried to infiltrate Soviet agencies and gather intelligence. This is well documented. 6. If Oswald made the paper sack from TSBD paper, how did it get to the Paine's house? Did anyone see him with the sack prior to Frazier and his sister? 7. Oswald was not a Marxist. He had been seen working for Guy Banister (a staunch right-wing anti-communist former FBI official) in New Orleans. Oswald was filmed passing out Fair Play for Cuba pamphlets with the office address of Guy Banister printed on the back. It's obvious from everything we know about Oswald now that he was being sheep-dipped by his intelligence handlers to appear as a Marxist and communist sympathizer.
The "Oswald can't drive" never made much sense to me. He has the dexterity to accurately fire a rifle and the intelligence to learn the Russian language yet can't obtain his road licence? Of course, for all I know he never even sat the test but that would be equally unusual for a man of his age.
Oh wow, a reaction where the watcher doesn’t ditch the video to go somewhere else for minutes while letting the video play. What a revolutionary concept.
mate, you must be knew here then lol. This guy's highly respected by the people he reacts to because he goes super in depth and adds ton to the original video.
IK, it’s just other reaction videos to this one video disappoints me beyond belief. Xqc ditched the video while it plays and I don’t even want to get start with Hasin.
The Lone Nut Theory is really the Two Lone Nuts Theory. I would highly recommend 'With Malice' by Dale Myers. This takes a different approach and forensically examines the murder of Dallas policeman JD Tippit who was killed minutes after JFK. Myers proves beyond a show of doubt that it was Oswald.
it really doesnt, meyers like all those who cover the tippet case over looks anything that is difficult or contradictory in the witness statements and takes leeps of faith based on his firm belief that oswald acted alone and puts his foot on the scale to make "evidence" that is not clear seem more compelling, for example the jacket found in the parking lot DOES NOT match the description of what oswald was wearing given by the vast majority of eye witnesses to his movements after the murder, the dry cleaning tag found in the jacket seems to have no correspondence to anywhere oswald ever went and it seems unlikely that the dirt poor oswald is having a light jacket dry cleaned, but someone did. myers wants to ignore the fact that the lone observor of the shooting was the horribly unreliable and unbelievable helen markham myers relies a lot on the non evidence given by one jack tatum a witness most other witnesses dont recall being at the murder site whos own story has many holes in it. myers also fudges around with the ballistic evidence. and the book is beyond poorly written. myers takes known factual incidents , for example the phone call tippet made at the gas station witnessed by two people who knew tippet by name , and suggests that it may not have happened, but gives no reason why two folks who knew tippet would invent such a story. theres a lot of this stuff in the book but thats myers mo for years he insisted that oswald and ferrire had never met for example until faced with the photo of the two of them together wherein myers still maintained that that doesnt mean they interacted beyond that one photo. and tis that kind of thinking thats prevelant in that book , its a very non academic approach to a crime that so far hasnt had a solid investigative book about it.
@@simonjames1604 How does anybody framing Oswald for Tippit know: - he'll decide to put on a jacket at the last minute at all - he'll discard the jacket in the streets - there is any point in attacking a cop on the street since if anything goes wrong they'll just end up confirming a conspiracy exists - the cop won't simply outdraw his attacker and blow the whole plot - an imposter who looks so much like Oswald he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen Oak Cliff witnesses who ID Oswald as the man they saw shoot Tippit and flee needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton - a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene - Oswald will agree to help frame himself by trying to hide from passing police and ducking into the theater as cop cars keep pouring into the area - Oswald will get himself caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop minutes later - Oswald will fight police like such a violent maniac 3 officers will be injured just disarming him - Oswald will observe "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" to police after asking the penalty for cop-killing Etc.
If you do your research, you will find that some of the first people on the site of the Tippit murder gives you information that states otherwise. In addition, which Oswell are you talking about, because there are reports of two Oswald's. Look into the wallet incident. Did they find the wallet in his pocket at the police station, or on the scene of the Tippett murder?
i thought this one was pretty bad, there are some obvious contradictions in the presentation . makes a point that ear witness testimony isnt reliable, which is fair then presents 3 ear witnesses as if they are more reliable than others, that kind of argument doesnt really work.
@@simonjames1604how is that contradictory? Just because no one is 100% trustowrthy, doesn't mean some people can't be more/less trustworthy than others.
@@axelode45 so how do you determine how "trustworthy" ear witnesses are when the video goes to lengths saying ear witnesses to shootings are almost always incorrect. being in the TSBD makes them more reliable? bill lovelady is standing in front of the TSBD and he believed the shots came from the triple overpass area. he is less trustworthy ? again the more/less argument has to be based on something. and in this case its based on nothing.
@@axelode45 and consider the third witness who states that 3 floors down from where the shooting is supposed to have occured a medium powered ww2 rifle was able to "shake" the entire building, how credible do you think that is? this rifle is loud and does kick like a mule but do you think it could cause a 7 story building to reverberate? so whats credible about her story? why is it in the video? seems like a bias is being put in place with little to any concern about credibility applied.
@@simonjames1604 I don't know, I've never fired or heard a gun being fired irl but yeah that does sound a bit strange. But is it really a significant detail? It could just be a slight exaggeration or a figurative way to describe the loudness of the sound. Plus I don't think those floors were very good at solating sound. Another witness said he could hear his colleagues speaking a floor below no?
Hi Chris - To your comments early on about the size of the plaza, I agree. On a business trip many years ago I was a passenger in a car that drove through there one evening. I thought it was much smaller than it seemed in news accounts and videos and an easy shot for a trained rifleman.
yet oswald was a radio operator and had a poor shooting record and a pretty lousy rifle with antiquated ammunition and a weapon that sat in a garage for a few weeks wrapped in a blanket . so not a good shot, not a good weapon in poor condition that hadnt been service. now suddenly it gets a little more difficult. not saying he couldnt have done it but he was suddenly an excellent shot on the day if he did the shooting. and that doesnt jibe with the historical record of who he was.
Based on your knowledge of the industry and relationships with content creators, do you think this is a labor of love for Lemmino? Because I feel like his style and attention to detail could land him far bigger distribution platforms if he was so inclined. I donate to him every time because it's more than worth a movie ticket these days, IMO. Anyway, he deserves all the views he gets... and more.
This documentary is crafted information. It shapes a narrative, but for example. the documentary mentions it was decided only a few days before that the route would go to Dallas through that book depository, and it just so happens that Oswald got that job. The documentary presents information, but at key moments it should go into things like the decision to put the motorcade through that route. That matters. It is crafting a narrative, but outside that narrative lay other real facts that have direct bearing and are not focused on, so it is like creating an illusion, and uses misdirection by focusing only on the facts chosen. Maybe because of the fact Oswald got that job, could play a direct role into why the decision was made to divert the motorcade past that route. As you can see by map, it is a diversion to go that way, as the motorcade could have simply continued straight. The other thing, where was the motorcade coming from and going to. Why would it take a side street like that to make the route slower and longer, off the main road. Because, as the video does mention, the first lady would have been toward the Book Depository building and so if someone wanted to help Oswald, they'd need to make sure the route that went by Oswald needs to have the President on the side Oswald will have some view of, so the decision was made to make it go down that side street off the main straight road. This documentary takes a myopic view, and does not see the other angles and bigger picture. The real question is WHY produce this JFK video now, and why push that narrative. Maybe it has to do with JFK Jr and the fact that they are pushing the idea that Conspiracies happen, but they are faulty logic and thinking and those who feed into them are crazy people or somehow off, but the reality is this. The mainstream media lied, colluded with the government who lied, and real evidence as that fact, and it means a lot people who watched that mainstream media were gullible useful idiots essentially, but the strategy then used by the Establishment is to push teaching younger people that mostly the media does not lie, and the majority of it the news is valid and legitimate. NPR pushes such ideas. They do that to combat the loss of faith in the secular ideology that holds that the centralized government is fundamentally good and trustworthy, and those who run its many so-called 'independent' agencies. There is then a meta-level to this documentary as to what its own goals are, why it is released now, and not say a few years ago, like when Trump was in office, and no one was talking about RFK Jr. Watch this documentary with a grain of salt. As to supporting the creator. No, he will be just fine as those who are paid to produce content if it serves an Establishment agenda, will find funding. Sort of like National Public Radio. If no one gives to them, they won't go off the air as they serve a purpose that the powerful want, and so funding will magically come, and more of it will be 'public ally funded' by the taxpayer if needed. The reality is NPR Is state-sponsored media and effectively Air America blasted inward to Americans. It is a propaganda network, with liberal peppering of real disinformation and misinformation into its shows and coverage. It is ideologically biased and rather extremist in his viewpoints. This is suppose to be Public radio, but is like an ideological 'church' for secular people to get their weekly dose of renewal of their ideological foundational beliefs. LIke the Media are speaking 'truth to power', which the opposite is true, NPR projects the voices of the powerful upon the powerless. All that said watch this documentary to see how the narrative is crafted, and its implied conclusions as it is not presenting a neutral point of view of 'just the facts'. Think of it more like 'that is a set of facts' and there are other sets of facts which must be viewed relative to those facts. When you see these testimony conversations? there are many others that are intentionally left out, and in the end, the Warren Commission sought to create a certain narrative that fit its agenda. The Warren Commission is completely discredited as a trustworthy body.
For the record, ive done a good amount of research on the assassination, and I agree that Oswald acting alone is the most likely outcome. That being said, Oswald's history in the years and months leading up to it are really uncomfortable. Lots of contradictory relationships and confusing coincidences.
@johnfarlow9936 yeah, it makes the most sense that he was some kind of CIA asset (which could just mean they knew who he was and had talked to him), and they panicked after the fact and tried to cover that association up. That's the only reason him being allowed back into the country after defecting to the USSR during the absolute height of the Cold War makes any sense
@@Poet_Lorien it was probably when he started pleading not guilty and claiming he was a patsy, he was most likely about to talk but we will never know for sure.
@@iamjohnfarlow There are a lot of things wrong with the JFK but even the 25% or so that is historically accurate is really hard to comprehend. I always think about Oswald knowing Guy Banister and writing notes to FBI agents two weeks before the assassination
Thank you for reacting to this earlier than you would've and for the fans for letting him know. "With enough harassment, you can achieve anything" - Sam O'Nella
Speaking of Sam, we should harass him into making another video.
Dang, should I have hopped on the harassment train? I was gonna ask him to watch it, but got bystander syndromed.
just lemmino and i wil no.
" "With enough harassment, you can achieve anything" - Sam O'Nella"
True. You can achieve a restraining order, an arrest, or even more...
😢 RIP sam
I can't recommend this channel enough!!!
LEMMiNO creates vastly superior reporting and documentaries than most television, with an incredible focus on being objective and providing sources. Being both entertaining, scientific *and* have such an insane quality is just mind-boggling. If comparing for sheer talents and quality, LEMMiNO is legit top 10 material for *the entire* youtube platform.
It’s my favorite channel I don’t sleep without watching the space videos he have , been in the channel since 2015 it was named “Top 10 Memes “
been on youtube for 15+ years and been watching him since 2016, easily the best channel on youtube. his videos have only been improving in quality, if that was somehow possible
He also makes his own music for the documentaries!
This is what reaction videos should be. Don't just let the video play and entertain your audience for you, add something to it and make your reaction worthwhile in its own right
This is in no way what reaction videos should be. It acts as a replacement for the original, there are large sections where he adds nothing of substance. While not as lazy as other reactors this is also harmful to the whole creator economy, he'd be much better off watching the video beforehand so he knows which parts to focus on and what he can add
@@Nattytom500 Agree to disagree
@@Nattytom500Idk, it's interesting to see his perspective and knowledge on the topic considering his field. I mean, saying nothing is still a reaction, he's still literally watching it, not just letting it play.
@@Whooler6by Yes, it is interesting to see his input. I'm not discounting that. What I'm pushing for is a cultivated approach. Watching the video beforehand and preparing. What is gained from this format of watching the entire thing and having off the cuff comments? Saying nothing might technically be a reaction but it isn't a good one. It adds nothing to the video and is just riding on the coattails of the video. This type of video is harmful to the wider creator economy regardless of how "good" it is. Every time this is suggested to somebody that is original content that isn't being suggested. It might not be the LEMMiNO video being replace but it will be something else. If there were no reaction videos on youtube original content would get all the impressions.
@@Nattytom500 Yeah the reaction video should at least be delayed until the views on the original have slowed to a trickle. Lemmino goes months between uploads because of how labor intensive his content is. It makes me sad that people take money out of his pockets.
I could listen to the narrator say ‘schoolbook depository’ over and over. His accent is so listenable.
only lemmino reactions i can watch, because you actually add things unlike other reactors
Tbf most other creators can’t offer much insight into things like this. And exception would be DB Cooper video where Moist Critical was able to offer his own opinions
@@braxtonsmith3726yeah, only things you can get from a non-historians are opinions/theories on the mystery in question (not that it’s a bad thing necessarily, they can still be entertaining but have less overall context of the situation)
@@braxtonsmith3726Moist Critical does actually talk about his thoughts on his reactions and doesn't just sit there watching it saying "oh my god". Even adds some of his own ideas and beliefs on it.
I don't really consider this a reaction. It's more of an add on to the original with extra history and insight. It's not just a streamer watching in complete silence with a bowl of food
He does have a tendency to provide context. I watched this without the commentary and it was good, but strangely I missed the head in the corner lol. My wife has been driving me but because since I’ve found him (you if you’re reading this too lol) I’ve been binging all of these history channels! I love it but she just rolls her eyes!
This is one of those rare channels who can appreciate the editing and work that went into the original video. Your reactions allways are more of an additional commentary than just a "reaction". Love it.
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Oswald seemed like a smart enough guy. He probably figured his coworkers would be questioned like this following his assasination attempt, this question to Jarman i always figured was a way of trying to obscure his involvement ("how could it possiby be me? i didnt even know he was driving by!")
Lemmino has perfected the art of making the fans wait just enough time between videos and then dropping a 10/10. I watched the original as soon as it hit my sub box
He is hands down one if not the best content creator on RUclips. This is high tv level production value. And his research is unbelievable for a single person. He had 228 sources many of them was long government reports whith many hundreds of pages and he must have read a large part of them. It's crazy how much time it must take researching on the level he does.
Well.. He is from Sweden. We are saints ;)
@@grandroyal66 Hahaha ja det är klart vi är 😂
@@erikaskeroth9720 Oversimplified
I went to Dallas and, of course, visited the book depository. As an ex-British Army soldier I realised the short range and angle of fire from the window meant any trained rifleman would have had an easy shot at Kennedy.
Those were my thoughts exactly when I first visited there.
easy for a novice
@danielward9296also I’d imagine that a would be assassin pointing his gun at the president would be much more noticeable
But what about the trees full of leaves blocking the fatal shot? I was there in the fall and there were still plenty of leaves on the trees. As a trained marksman, I've always wondered this, but why wait until after the turn to take a much harder shot? Wouldn't it be easier to take the straight on shot, despite the car moving faster? It was slowing anyway to make the strange turn, so why not take the easier shot?
@@cggc9510Because it becomes a kill box after that slow left hand turn. You’re right if it’s a single shooter. If you miss, you have time for follow up shots. Once the turn is made, it’s a math problem on the fly as the target is moving down and away from the shooter. Much harder for a single shooter. The grassy knoll is straight, flat and an easier shot. Not to mention men masquerading as secret service agents chased people away…and the secret service had no agents there. There’s a ton of evidence to support a conspiracy. Both in Dealy, Parkland hospital and the autopsy back in Bethesda. Not to mention the Warren Report. 🤷♂️
I've watched some of your content in the past but I'm really getting back into it. Man you definitely deserved my subscription! Imagine FDR not surviving his assassination attempt; it is historical fiction waiting to be written!
Ronald Reagan came very very close to dying also, when shot by John Hinkley. If Reagan had died, would anyone have believed the "official story"? That Hinkley was nuts? That he stalked Jodie Foster? Probably not. People would've blamed the CIA, the mafia, the Soviets, the Cubans, aliens, bigfoot, etc. The true story would be deemed unbelievable.
FDR not surviving there is actually one of the premises in Philip K Dick’s alternate history classic The Man in the High Castle, where the USA is divided after Germany and Japan win World War II.
Very often, when people say, "There's a lot more to the story than what the official narrative claims," they never have any actual evidence to back up their claims. They just regurgitate whatever conspiracy they hear on their favorite podcast, without ever doing research themselves. That's why Lemino is so great 👍
And most people who criticize the Warren Commission and report never read the report.
And yet plenty of people who dedicate their lives to solving the mystery and pour over endless evidence and records believe it was a conspiracy.
There’s definitely room for doubt. And like he said although covered beautifully, this is a very small piece of the picture.
@@MrGforce52 Be kind of sad if they had spent countless hours doing it and had to just say "oh, yeah it was all straightforward after all". I've no idea what the real truth is but I do know the sunk cost fallacy is real.
wait you believe in the magic bullet theory? That requires a bigger leap of faith than any opposing argument
This feels like one of those events where the way things line up is so crazy, that it had to have been nothing but utterly tragic coincidence. Much like in some of the Ripper murders, where, but for a few minutes, even seconds, might have led to the capture of the Ripper.
There are no coincidences
It’s not a coincidence lol, yeah it’s random it was Oswald but it was for a reason it wasn’t so out the blue, if it wasn’t gonna be Oswald, it was gonna be someone else, he got hired by the CIA, it’s not a coincidence that he gets hired at that place to work and for some reason decides to murder the President, he was hired to do so, it would of been someone else if it wasn’t him
Research it a little bit and it’ll become clear
@grmacs95 That's kind of the point, though? It's been endlessly researched. There's just not enough evidence to point towards a conspiracy. History is filled with these kind of things. Just the nature of how things are. No reason to assign extra nefarious purposes to them.
@@ValDraper Did you know that the US Government has 2 different results for the assassination?
The Warren Commission decided that it was a lone gunman.
And the Assassination Records Review Board (AARB) decided that it was a conspiracy.
Both government funded elements. 2 different solutions.
JFK came to New Haven for a speech at Yale in mid-Oct. 1962. It was just before the Cuban Missile Crisis was made public. I was 8. My grammar school and Nathan Hale, just down the road from us, were let out to see his car drive by from Tweed New Haven Airport.
It was a gorgeous sunny and cool morning as his open limo slowly rolled up Woodward Ave. The kids were all lined along the curb on one side of the street and we cheered so happily as he came into view.
I'll never forget it. The President looked so handsome and his beautiful red hair blazed like fire in the bright sun. I remember thinking: I WISH HE WAS MY DADDY.
His murder a year later was traumatic for a child in love with this father figure, and when I saw Lee Oswald get shot on live TV, it put me literally over the edge. My childhood ended that Sunday morning. For years, late at night I worried that a stranger would come into our house and kill someone: my parents, my brother, my sister, me.
Reading this back, I'm crying again.
VTH before I started watching your channel I always liked history but after i found your channel I love learning history and watching you react to amazing content like this and your one of the main reasons i want to be a history teacher so i can educate people on history just like you do
been waiting for this! another banger of a series after the jack the ripper
When you look at the backstory in this sort of play-by-play format, it makes it hard to believe that the Soviet government was behind the whole thing. I mean, it's certainly possible that they wanted to kill JFK. And it appears that Oswald did try to get involved with the Soviet government, so a conspiracy does seem like the simplest explanation on the face of it. I get why a lot of people think there's more to the story. But digging into the circumstances like this, it seems like the conspirators would have to be omniscient to predict the circumstances that would lead to Oswald having that opportunity to shoot Kennedy. I'm a lot more prepared to chalk it up to just being one of those situations in history where the planets align - that this guy sees the opportunity fall into his lap out of nowhere, and he just happens to be someone who would want to kill the President... and takes his shot.
Edit to add: I suppose it's also possible that he always intended to kill JFK and that his access to such a good vantage point was a remarkably lucky coincidence. From that point of view, a conspiracy becomes more plausible.
I agree. It was an opportunity that fell into Owsald's lap. Everything fell in place for him and he took advantage.
The main conspiracy in the United States is that the CIA did it. Incredible to me.
This conspiracy was amplified by the KGB, in one very cynical move, even by the KGB.
Gotta be honest, I slacked a bit watching VTH in the recent months, not that much content interesting to me, but this again is really where you shine, Chris.
devoured the original video literally the moment it came out and now watching your take on it is great. you have the insight as an american, you probably know tons of people who witnessed it (pretty sure you too were not born when it happened) and obviously you were at the site and read/watched more about it then the average person, so who better youtuber to watch for an even deeper dive into the topic?
This may sound harsh, but I think a lot of these "witnesses" wanted to feel more important than they really were, simply due to their proximity.
I unfortunately speak from personal experience. When something crazy happens, and you're by it (sometimes even when you're not actually that close at all), you feel a disproportionate amount of attachment & significance to the event.
I suspect when a lot of these people realize what had actually happened right before their eyes, a lot of them felt like they personally should "help" in some way, even if they didn't have much in terms of valuable information to offer. Imagine standing right under or right across the building from someone who JUST shot the president... Wouldn't you immediately try to recall anything you could?
In reality, you're not expecting things like this to occur, so your brain isn't actively scanning for details or trying to retain information. You're waiting to see the president. You're looking for his motorcade. You may be glancing around, but you do that every day everywhere you go.
So you then try to piece together what you THINK you know, but often let new details shape your recollection. I'm certain there was a ton of chatter at the street level as to what just transpired, and you quickly hear all kinds of things. Even if these witnesses didn't, they certainly heard plenty on the radio/TV/newspapers in the weeks & months following the assassination to the time these later interviews took place.
But back to the main point, knowing you witnessed a piece of history will make you feel "special" or important in some way. Even just being nearby is enough for some people to place some sort of unique relevance to themselves in the situation. There was a shooting at a strip mall in Allen, TX not too long ago, and even though it was miles away, I heard countless stories of "I went to that place just 3 months ago, it could've been me!" or "that person went to the school my daughter went to 10 years ago!" .........like how is ANY of that relevant?
Anyway, sorry about the rant, but it just reminded me of how unreliable people can be in these situations.
It is for reasons such as those that testimony is often inadequate as evidence. It should never be trusted when it contradicts physical evidence.
A lot of things like that have condemned people. I myself was implicated in a crime because the “witness” knew she was in trouble (they threatened her with substantial jail time) unless she “gave them someone”. They didn’t bother to corroborate her account and so set me up. She didn’t know, however, that I was out of town the 3 days prior and couldn’t have done what she claimed. The phone records further refuted her version.
Shocker, someone trying to save themselves lied! But the cops didn’t bother investigating til AFTER they arrested me. Sat in jail for a while before they came back saying to my lawyer that they “wished they got me first to flip on her” because they were now sure “she was the one who did it”. 🤦♀️
My mugshot and her version they put in the initial arrest report is still the first thing that comes up if you google my name. Doesn’t matter charges were dropped. They never report that.
Even fingerprints can be unreliable ( human rights lawyer who’s prints “matched “ the Madrid train bombing though he never left the US). Bite marks are completely BS and faux science. Even DNA was just found and a homeless alcoholic arrested for a home invasion murder w/DNA under nails. Cops convinced him he did it, lawyer looking for evidence only to avoid the death penalty (he was “clearly guilty “) found he had been blackout drunk and had evidence he never left the hospital. Turns out the EMTS they brought him into the ER were the same ones who responded to the home invasion and transferred the DNA.
But they see on TV that if someone is arrested then they “must be guilty of something “.
@@marquisdelafayette1929 yeah our legal system is terrible. If anyone finds themselves being questioned and the police are being dodgy about why you are their especially
If you are innocent demand a lawyer. At best they are following a dead end lead a worst they are trying to bait you.
Like Trump claiming to have seen the planes hit on 9/11, when he was nowhere near it. Claiming he had seen Muslims "celebrating", even though that's a total lie and he wasn't even there. Good point. Eyewitnesses are often innocently wrong, but sometimes intentionally wrong too.
I'm not a fan of medical shows, but there's this one episode of Grey's Anatomy I've never forgotten. Basically, one of the characters is in a car and sees a plane going down before it crashes. Throughout the episode, he keeps describing it, with this other character nearby each time, the story becoming more and more elaborate, to the point she tells him she feels like the next time he tells it, he's going to conclude, "and then I died." 😂
I remember visiting the depository on a school trip as a kid in the 90s. At that time, the sixth floor was open if I remember correctly, but the actual sniper's perch was a protected display. I stood two windows down and felt this strange feeling. Later, while telling my mom, she said "Powerful." That was exactly the feeling.
Yeah, I visited in 2014. The actual window is guarded by a glass case containing a replica cardboard-box sniper's nest. But the window on the floor above it is accessible to the public.
I will tell something never said before: Oswald got the idea RIGHT on Thursday 21st.
That day he asked a ride to the Payne house, to recollect his riffle. The riffle he transported in a field disassembled state, so it would be slightly shorter, and even could be been hidden under his jacket, that's why he wanted to create a distance between him and his co-worker who drove him there.
But! He forgot his other gun, an old revolver in his boarding house, and later he realized, a fleeing murderer needs a handgun, maybe to hijack cars, and so on. The fact that he went all the way to his boarding house to get other clothes and his handgun indicates for me: Lee Harvey Oswald did not plan this for weeks, not even days ahead, but he took his opportunity in the spur of the moment, thinking on his feet, the day before.
Also: he had narcissistic tendencies: he felt like he needed admiration, he felt he was special, smarter, and also: narcissists are remarkably cool under stress, self-confident, and determinate to get what they want.
He was rejected in Mexico for entering Cuba. He was a failure in everything, even his marriage, and piss poor. But if he killed JFK, maybe Cuba and some archenemies of the USA would put him on a pedestal. So the motive was the urge for recognition and a grudge, his opportunity was his experience with riffles and the fact he worked on the motorcade route, his time window was the moment all his co-workers went out to see the motorcade and nobody was watching him, also he had no friends and nobody was missing him.
But the balls, the balls. He did not even use a muffler on his gun, yet walked out the door as nothing happened. Only a cool-headed narcissist with a military background can. He disappeared in the crowd, because he looked like a nobody. That's why he did it.
His mother put him in an orphanage, his father died before he was born. They were piss poor, and he lacked love. Being slightly more intelligent than his peers (IQ 119) also was contributory to his thinking he was superior and special and deserved more in life than being a 1,25 per hour blue collar worker.
Also, he used some speed, which makes you concentrate better, but also more violent. But why the headshot on JFK seemed to be an exit wound?
Maybe bullet three was a dumdum bullet. Why he didn't aim at the chest? Of course, the only target to be seen was his head.
Why not shoot at the front, with the limousine incoming? Well, all the Secret Service would be aiming at him. Shooting in the back is the narcissist way.
Case closed.
Thanks for this update, Professor Chris. I've watched the original video three times, I have just been waiting with bated breath for your annotations and commentary. Your channel is amazing!
I love Lemmino's videos on conspiracy theories, mainly because he takes them seriously as to not insult the believers, but then piece-by-piece he tears them apart until its clear that they are false. Obviously Lee Harvey Oswald was the killer 😂 now where there is room for possible debate is whether or not Oswald was working alone
Chris is say he fired the fatal shot. So maybe there were others
@@connarkent282 ..... what?
I mean nobody seriously doubts that Lee Harvey Oswald was one of the shooters. Even the crazier conspiracy theories are either saying there were other shooters or that Oswald was working for another country or organization.
This was well done as always but he glossed alot of important details.
1. The umbrella man cough cough signal
2. 1 in billion The magic bullets
3. George W Bush. Didn’t know why he was there oh wait he was there to make sure something didn’t happen and he failed miserably as cia and then was suddenly promoted to director.
4. The evidence disappears day after that had a much more clear view
5. The grassy noll smoke from other side which is impossible if Oswald was the only shooter
6. Which means there were multiple shooters and the people who were shot. Governor and JT testimonies prove this.
7. The impossibility of the tree shot
8. How the most famous case at the time had noone recording the interrogation
9. The multiple other ties i could mention but you get the point.
To give lamino credit i think he was just trying to go with the official story which he did a good job at retelling.
@@J0k3rz bro, there is no corroborating evidence for literally any of the assumptions you just made. Im sorry bud, Oswald was the killer. He actually murdered 2 people lol.
You can tell how interested Chris is in Lemino’s videos and especially this one just by how focused he looks while watching. I love it!
I was absent from school and sick that day watching "Jeopardy" and "Eye Guess" when bulletins of the shooting was announced. I still have a Boston Globe that was saved from the next day. To a 14 year old it seemed amazing that "History" was now happening right on the TV. This was all happening durring the ""Civil War Centennial and gave us a feeling of connectedness to the Lincoln assassination that previously seemed as distant as the Roman Empire to a kid.
I don’t think “Jeopardy!” came out until 1964. 🤔
I’m usually not a fan of reactors pausing and talking too much during a video but I really enjoyed your input every time you spoke. As I found it to add a lot the the context in a meaningful and not disturbing way. Well done!!
That guy who gave Oswald a ride to the Texas SBD on 11/22/1963 can be seen on a RUclips video saying that the “curtain rods” package carried by Oswald during the car ride was too short and not bulky enough to have been a rifle.
He also said in his testimony that he didn't look at it that closely. The other person who saw it claimed that it almost touched the ground. When he said the package was too short was he comparing it to a fully assembled or a disassembled rifle?
Great content, from both you and Lemmino.
I used to be a huge conspiracy buff, but now I easily accept the obvious fact that Oswald did it.
For those that doubt it: it's a virtual certainty that Oswald tried to kill Edwin Walker with the same rifle. Oswald was not a well man - he was an absolute loon who saw himself as an important historical figure and wanted to "prove it".
I feel the question is more about if he did it alone or if there's something bigger going on as well
I feel like his background is a bigher conspiracy than the second shooter thing
It's amazing how quickly they determined it was Oswald and that he acted alone. It's almost as if they were happy with that as it cut off any unwanted connections to other groups.
no, it's too obvious that the CIA did it
@@dj71162 as said at the end of LEMiNO's video. The quickness to blame could have been part of a benign conspiracy by the authorities. They had just been blindsided by the assassination and wanted to project the image that wouldn't get them scrutinized for their incompetence.
It would be really interesting to see you react to wendigoons videos on the mlk and jfk assassination - they're really interesting and dive into both the accepted stories and other theories
I have notifications enabled for Lemmino, so I watched this entirely beforehand. It's a pleasure to watch a 2nd time and hear your perspective alongside it.
I watched the whole video. All I’ll say is it’s one of the few on the Kennedy assassination which hits on many of the right points.
I agree with you in that it’s important to visit these places and “walk in the footsteps of history.”
Also, last year, I visited the National Museum of the Air Force in Dayton, Ohio and walked on board SAM 26000 - the plane which took Kennedy to Dallas and brought his coffin back. My visit was on November 22 - exactly 59 years to the day of the assassination.
Just subscribed and want to say thanks for doing reaction videos the right way. Great work and love your insight
Hi, Chris, good to have you back. That was an impressive and very interesting video. It must have taken a lot of research and preparation. He does some brilliant videos. I always find it fascinating how tiny apparently inconsequential actions can lead to massive historical events. Looking forward to the rest.
As a former 911 dispatcher I can back that up peoples testimony for something as simple as a car accident we get 10 calls on it and the location and color of the car changes with each call
I immediately watched the original - along with over a million others - within hours of it dropping. Had to laugh knowing you’d be getting every message about reacting to it. Thanks for jumping on it so quickly and out of your norm!!!
Seeing the old video from Young Dan Rather discussing the Zapruder film and then comparing that to actually watching the Zapruder film is mind-blowing. He had to have been told exactly what to say. Because no one would come up with that description from watching it.
He was stunned and upset watching a very grisly film and his description of seeing Kennedy's head explode forward is clearly just his way of describing Kennedy's massive exit wound (and blood halo) explode outward. This is crackpot paranoia.
I am so impressed with Lemmino's attention to detail in these videos-- it is really impressive. I felt the same about the Jack the Ripper video as well. Great content and great insights from Chris as always.
Appreciate your comments and thoughts invested into this video. I'm aware of recent controversies surrounding reaction videos in general, but imho your videos are definitely transformative and entertaining in their own right.
14:30
He can be seen giving testimony in the 1986 programme 'The Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald' where Vincent Bugliosi prosecutes Oswald for murder.
Not only did Oswald try to defect to the USSR, he was super adamant about it. The USSR initially refused him and he then harmed himself so he could go to a hospital there. They eventually relented and had him under _heavy_ surveillance. He was taught Russian by someone who would go on to become the first President of the independent country of Belarus, and he worked in a factory there. Married and had a child. Then all of a sudden he decided he wanted to defect back to the United States, supposedly because of a lack of "night clubs" and other things in the USSR. Very odd guy. The CIA has denied knowing anything about him prior to the killing which is extremely unlikely considering his adventures into the USSR, and we now know they lied about not knowing him, which has been all confirmed by the memos released by Biden in 2022. He was actually a person of interest & under investigation by the office that does counter-espionage in the CIA, and his mail was apparently being read. This apparently was not something the Commission needed to know, despite them literally asking about it.
lemmino is worth waiting months to years to watch a video with this quality
One of my favorite stories on this topic,and what could have been,is Steven King's 11/22/63. A great story about going back in time and trying to stop the assassination. Also trying to find out who did it if Oswald had help ECT. It was a really good mini series that I would recommend as well to anyone interested in the topic.
This is good, a person who actually has valuable commentary to add, actual knowledge on the subject.
Just watched this video a couple days ago, so happy you’re covering this! Very interesting recap of the details, curious to hear what you think of the final conclusions the video draws as well
I love this topic since my childhood. If I ever visited the US, there'd be only one historic place I'd love to visit, the Dealey Plaza.
I'm glad you've decided to touch this topic.
I saw a documentary some years ago that said the first shot hit the crossbar of the traffic light just before Oswald's view would have been obstructed by the tree. The crossbar is visible in camera shots from the 6th floor window made during various reconstructions. This would make sense since, as I recall, bullet fragments were found by a curb and a spectator standing by the road as it went under the overpass was hit in the face by other fragments. Again, as I recall, the examination of the crossbar, which was still there at the time of the documentary I saw, wasn't conclusive. The crossbar had been painted over multiple times since 1963.
I watched that too. I think that's most likely what happened.
Also claimed bullet hole in the road sign...possibly seen in the Z film.
No, the first shot missed JFK, hit the curb - ricocheted, and stuck James Tague. Tague was taken to the hospital for treatment.
Lemmino knocked it out of the park with this video. I was always on the fence about the Kennedy assassination (not believing the conspiracy theories per se, but just questioned the official story), but his video swayed me. Just like he did with Jack the Ripper and DB Cooper, he lays out all of the facts, evidence, contradictions, and theories in a concise and easy to understand manner. I think it's fair to say that he convinced me on Lee Harvey Oswald being the killer after all, but it's probably more accurate to say he's the first one to show the whole story in a digestible manner.
I_donbt know much about american history but did the conspiracy theory assume oswald was connected to the cia or did they suspect a second shooter like you said.
@@burrybondz225 Tbh I never deep dived into the Kennedy theories, but the big ones I've heard are; A second shooter on a grassy knoll (which Lemmino goes into later in the video) with Oswald being framed, or that Oswald was part of a larger group that manipulated events to get Kennedy in position, and that same group killed Oswald to prevent him from spilling the beans. There's probably more out there, but those are the ones I'm aware of.
This video does a good job at laying everything out. I also read the book Case Closed by Gerald Posner. Even Oswald's brother, Robert Oswald, was convinced that Oswald acted alone.
@@stonewall01 Well, now I want to read that book. Thanks for mentioning it!
@@KayWhyCommandothose are all popular conspiracy theories but they are definitely not alone. I have heard people claim an unknown amount ranging from the CIA, FBI, Fidel Castro, Russia, Lindon B Johnson, The Mafia, some of the more ridicules ones even Suggest the Presidents wife.
Like many other unsolvable mysteries it gives people something they can endlessly spin their minds on. Testing new theories and facts on what they believe in this way it is simply entertainment to a lot of people.
Now that we know that Zapruder had to stop to wind up the camera changes everything. We now know that one bullet hit a traffic signal standard, accounting for a lot.
Yes, Ruby acted alone. There was no conspiracy there. He was somewhat of an unstable personality and very passonate. He worshipped JFK and was heartbroken for Mrs. Kennedy. A sad, sad person, really.
...plus when Oswald claimed his innocence, Ruby became enraged that Mrs. Kennedy would have to return to Dallas for the trial.
@gaylebaker8419 You are 100% correct in what you said Gayle. Virtually everything Ruby did from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning when he shot Oswald is VERY well known. For anyone believing Ruby was some hired killer, just look into all the crazy shit he was doing Friday-Sunday. He was at Western Union sending a stripper a $25 money order at 11:17 am Sunday morning and shot Oswald at 11:21 am. (think about that for a second -- IF there had been even ONE other person in line before him he would have never even seen the Oswald transfer). He left his beloved dog and constant companion, Sheba, in his car -- does that seem like a hit man ??? Ruby was PISSED Oswald killed JFK - and A LOT of people were. A LOT !!
And yes, thank you @krennels, Ruby was justifiably irate when thinking of Jackie having to come back to Dallas, or even testify from afar and be forced to relive that horror. Thank you both for your posts.
Oh yeah this this video presentation that guy did about the assassination was absolutely brilliant I enjoyed it deeply I've actually watched it twice.
I like the point made at 26:10 (of Oswald planning this/throwing off suspicion by not talking about it with his wife), I had assumed he was trying to make sure she had as little info as possible so she wouldn’t be suspected of anything
which oswald was not dumb enough to believe, the week before agent hosty had been out to the paine house to talk to marina, so she was already well eastablished on the fbis radar , and of course she came under a ton of heat following that. and marina now believes that oswald wasnt a trigger man so theres that.
that creepy little musical sting during the chapter titles reminds me of Danganronpa lol
I like that game.
If you want to dive deeper into the subject of JFK assassination, there is a fantastic video from the channel "Ask the Mortician" that talks more about what happened with the body of the President afterwards
28:33 this reminds me of that South Park joke when Mr.Garrison asks the police chief on whats the best place to assassinate someone is. And the clueless police chief just tells him : D
If you like reading, and specifically historical fiction, I highly recommend the Stephen King book 11/22/63. It's a departure from King's usual horror, and it's an absolutely fantastic read 👍
I like how when your fans ask for a reaction video myself included you give them what they want quickly
I paused the video around 7 minutes in to comment to my wife about the similarities to the Gavrilo Princip incident and then hit play only to hear you bring it up. It's so odd that perhaps the two most famous assassinations of the 20th century were both seemingly the result of opportunistic young men who just happened to find themselves on the driving route of a powerful person.
but pricinip wasnt working alone , there were other assisins on the route and it was an orchestrated attempt.
Tiny Dealey Plaza . No sane assassin would have shot from the grassy knoll . Perceptions change when you go there . I have been there at least 20 times . No front shooter .
I work in a building a quarter of the size of the book depository, and I couldn't tell you when I saw half my coworkers yesterday, what they were doing, what they were holding, where they were going, etc. I have to assume most of the Book Depository workers were really reaching to recall these details about Oswald. The eye witness testimony that matters is the testimony of those that were close enough with Oswald to have actual recollection of the details that matter, and all of that testimony points to it being Oswald.
To your point, VTH, at 3:40 or 3:45. Jack Ruby was actually an avid supporter of JFK. When he heard Kennedy was killed, it was reported he cried throughout the day and entered a depressive state.
I'm a simple man... I see "LEMMINO" ... I click
Let’s gooooo that’s what we’ve been waiting forrrr
I just discovered your channel. This was a great reaction video - on to the next ones :)
By the way, a good example of how witness testimony is unreliable and can ruin someone's life is hilariously portrayed in the movie My Cousin Vinny. I love that movie.
I really don't want to shame people who believe in certain conspiracies. Because some conspiracies could be true, but in cases like this, where if you actually put all the facts in front of you, the chances of this being not a conspiracy of the CIA or FBI or a foreign agency become lower and lower. So it's really sad to see some people who watched this video still deny obvious facts. This is why i'm so thankfull for you being so nuanced in most of your takes about stuff like this. Which is the reason you're a good hisotrian.
I am really happy your reacting to this early, great way to start my weekend. When i was watching this video the similarities between this assassination and the one on Franz Ferdinand could not have been clearerer both events that could have easily been prevented. And all the coincidences that needed to happen for us to end up here is kind of insane to think about.
My 90yo grandfather is able to watch his videos with me and says lemmino is easy to understand and funny. I glad you like him too 🤟
I agree that Oswald was very likely the only shooter and he definitely was the shooter in the Book Depository. I think the Murder of Officer Tippit throws hot water on any claim that Oswald was innocent or a "Patsy." That being said, I still believe there is a lot of mystery surrounding Ruby and his intentions, especially when myths about his motives have been spread around since the killing of Oswald from "wanting to spare Jackie Kennedy from the trial" (complete nonsense made up by one of Ruby's lawyers) or that he was overcome with patriotism and wanted to seek revenge on Oswald, something that friends and associates of Ruby believed was highly unlikely. Adding to the mystery, Ruby himself never testified at his criminal trial and the defense given by his lawyers was that he suffered an epileptic seizure and had no memory of killing Oswald. Ruby was also examined and spent extended time with psychologist Louis "Jolly" West prior to Ruby's testimony at the Warren Commission. West was a well known and respected psychologist who specialized in violence, what was not known to the general public at the time is that West was also a leading scientist for the CIA's MK Ultra program from the early 1950s. If there was anything sinister with Ruby's motives in this event, we will probably never know.
Tippet nickname was Jack because he looked exactly like President Kennedy. Btw if you think Oswald covered a mile in less than 6 minutes without being seen sprinting you clearly never been a runner.
@@jeremyjames9538 Admittedly I am not a JFK assassination expert, but based on what I do know I think those who believe there could have been a conspiracy should put more focus on Ruby and his motivations as opposed to the actual shooting of JFK, as there seems to be much more "smoke" there. Again I am not an expert and you could very well be right about the distance he would have needed to cover.
@David-sl6xf Ruby was paid to kill Oswald. Ruby owed thousands to the IRS for taxes and was paid the exact amount he owed to kill Oswald. Dallas police at the time were considered the most corrupt in the nation and most of them went to Ruby's clubs. Coincidently also where most of Kennedy secret service detailed party into the early morning hours the night before the assassination. One even left his service pistol in the club. Right before Ruby was trying to be honest about what really happened surrounding the assassination he got aggressive cancer, coincidently was also was the means doctors working for the CIA was trying to develop in the hopes of killing Castro. Eric Hunley and Mark Groubert in America's untold stories do an in-depth series on the assassination and the major players. Including as most witnesses account describe a Ruby looking character as the one who kill J.D. Tippit who was likely set up to be murdered by his PD because his resemblance to JFK so much so his nickname was Jack. Why was he set up? In case they needed a replacement body for the autopsy photos in an attempt to cover up the real people behind the assassination and more than one shooter.
And most bizarre, Ruby's lawyer was the star actor of the worst Star Trek episode: And the Children Shall Lead.
Personally, I think that Ruby did it for fame.
I just have to say that I really appreciate you and how you react in your videos. You have your personal feelings/opinions but you actually are objective and respectful. I watched another channel that dove into this as a “historian” and was anything but objective. Enjoy all your videos and wish nothing but the best for you!
Decoding the Unknown (one of Simon Whistler's channels, by far the best one in my opinion) had a great video on the Kennedy assassination that's an hour and a half long, and it's really good. At the end of it, I was left with the opinion of "I don't know about any of these specific conspiracies, but there was a lot of smoke for there to have been no fire."
The man has too many channels, it's hard to keep track
Definitely one of my favorite channels by him. And I loved that episode
There was literally a puff of smoke that came up from behind the fence that was seen by multiple witnesses.
FACTTTTT BOYYYYY
@@svenrio8521 do you think you can send me money because I just pissed my bed I need a new mattress and sheets. 😂
I love these reactions of Lemino that you do. By far your best material.
Today is the first time I went and saw a video of JFK's death. Bloody hell was it more brutal then I thought. I though it essentially went clean into his head and then he slumped back dead. Nope. Blew his top open. Poor Jacqueline Onassis got one of the worst first hand looks into her deceased husbands head. Talk about a nightmare on elm street.
Great Video Chris! I’m really looking forward to this (likely 4 part) reaction! I still personally think Oswald wasn’t acting alone, simply because of the direction that JFK’s head fragments.
However I also accept that there’s no 100% way (for us) to know and still respect the opinion of those who think he did act alone.
11:09 that eyebrow raise 💀
If there's something major to learn from this, it's how unreliable witness statements are.
I been all over the spectrum over the years. Oswald was the lone gunman. He fired at least 2 shots but there was at least another shot coming from somewhere else. Finally, to Oswald didn't fire any shots at all! :) This outstanding video has me back to Oswald firing at least 2 shots, if not all 3. I hope that Lemmino does future videos on the subject.
After seeing, in 2023, the insane and sometimes horrible things people will do just for some clicks/views on TikTok... the idea that Oswald was a narcissist who wanted fame is pretty easily believable as motive. Delusions of grandeur are a big theme in Oswald's life, far beyond just the assassination.
Great video as always both by Lemmino and Chris.
When people label you a "conspiracy theorist" it usually means you're on to something.
As for the US government, they would ABSOLUTELY stoop to this level and they often do. Means, motive and opportunity are all there in spades.
You may be on to something.
John F kennedy’s secret service agent Clint hill had a lot of guilt after this because we was riding on the back of kennedy’s car minutes before but decided to get off and ride on a car behind the president, then when he heard the first shot he got off the back car and ran to the car of the president but was too late and got to the car after he was shot in the head
I think the first shot, got him in the shoulder. The 2nd one thst got him in thr head
Clint Hill, portrayed by Clint Eastwood in the film In The Line of Fire
The fact that he started working there a month before, to me, only confirms a nefarious plot
I know this comment is old, but like the video says, the fact that there would be a motorcade, and that it would go past the Depository, was not known publicly until a week before the assassination. Which, like the video points out, suggests his employment there was incidental.
In fact, my main takeaway from the video was really how mundane everything was leading up to the assassination. No Hollywood plot. No conspiracy. Just a guy with a gun.
Ive never thought Oswald was necessarily innocent, but ive always felt there were others. And theres certainly numerous reasons for why he may have been killed and any number of ppl who may have been responsible. The Mob, the communists, the alphabet agencies. There just so many possibilities
It's disappointing that the "official story" is actually true story, just how mundane it is. But given how terrible the government (US, Soviet, or others) is at keeping secrets, the beans would've been spilled by now if that had been the case.
And the mafia especially - nothing stays a secret with the mob. Incidentally, (and I said this above) to people saying Jack Ruby was "mob connected" and making a huge deal of it: we were ALL mob connected in the 60s, in the bar/restaurant industry. Mafia was a much bigger thing in those days, and even in a small restaurant you'd have bookies coming in all the time, numbers rackets, loan sharks, mob-connected guys selling you your vending machines, cigarette machines, trying to sell you booze that "fell off a truck", and all the rest of it. Mafia was everywhere. Jack Ruby having met some mob guys... that's just the 60s.
Oswald made no attempt to blow any conspiracy to any cop, any member of his family, to the President of the Dallas Bar Association, or to a live TV audience of millions.
Chris, I’ve been so excited for you to do this since I saw the original video. Great work as always!
I've seen this video already, too. But I never recommended it b/c I knew the rest of the internet would. For the record, I DO believe Oswald was the shooter and was the only shooter. There's been a number of videos put out now that re-create the gunfire and everything lines up with what we've always have been told, yes, including the "magic bullet". Love this video, tho. Glad you're doing the reaction VTH!
I used to work at 55 Water Street in NYC. It directly overlooks the East River heliport in Lower Manhattan. When the president comes to visit, you can see *several* snipers positioned on nearby rooftops. The president also never steps off the helicopter - 3 helis come in and land, and the president steps directly from the chopper into an armored vehicle that's pulled up directly next to it. You never see him and you never actually know which heli or which vehicle they're in.
Just some points of correction:
1. There were more than 3 shots fired, which is why the Warren Omission had to concoct the magic bullet theory
2. Ruby hated Kennedy. So his killing of Oswald makes no sense, unless you dig further and discover that Ruby and Oswald knew each other because they worked together on Castro assassination projects
3. The JFK visit to Dallas was arranged back in July. Johnson had been pressuring JFK to campaign in Dallas for months. Oswlad liked Kennedy, and was working for the ONI, had high level security clearances, and was an informant for the FBI. This is all well documente now. Ruth Paine had CIA connections, along with her husband Michael, who had top level security clearance with Bell Helicopter.
4. Oswald did indeed have a driver's license. It showed up in a filing cabinet at the Texas Department of Public Safety bureau on November 27, 1963. It was quite the talk around the office that day. Multiple witnesses came forward who saw it. Oswald's brother testified to the WC that Lee could drive. By pretending to not being able to drive, Lee could travel around without being traced and without Marina knowing where he was.
5. Oswald was NOT a communist sympathizer. He was sent to the Soviet Union as part of the Cold War US defector program which tried to infiltrate Soviet agencies and gather intelligence. This is well documented.
6. If Oswald made the paper sack from TSBD paper, how did it get to the Paine's house? Did anyone see him with the sack prior to Frazier and his sister?
7. Oswald was not a Marxist. He had been seen working for Guy Banister (a staunch right-wing anti-communist former FBI official) in New Orleans. Oswald was filmed passing out Fair Play for Cuba pamphlets with the office address of Guy Banister printed on the back. It's obvious from everything we know about Oswald now that he was being sheep-dipped by his intelligence handlers to appear as a Marxist and communist sympathizer.
The "Oswald can't drive" never made much sense to me. He has the dexterity to accurately fire a rifle and the intelligence to learn the Russian language yet can't obtain his road licence? Of course, for all I know he never even sat the test but that would be equally unusual for a man of his age.
@@stevenmcghee6649 He was in the Marines. Not sure if you need to drive to be a Marine?
That Arnold kid is actually quite intelligent and it is admirable to admit ones inexperience. I hope no one showed him ill will in the aftermath.
Oh wow, a reaction where the watcher doesn’t ditch the video to go somewhere else for minutes while letting the video play. What a revolutionary concept.
mate, you must be knew here then lol. This guy's highly respected by the people he reacts to because he goes super in depth and adds ton to the original video.
IK, it’s just other reaction videos to this one video disappoints me beyond belief. Xqc ditched the video while it plays and I don’t even want to get start with Hasin.
Jarman was Oswald alibi . He used him to not show premeditation. However , being that he brought his rifle to work negated his alibi
If anyone in this day and age thinks it was a one man job i can see why the world is where it is right now
4:22 aye! I see you grooving to that blues! Makes your reaction to the content more authentic.
The Lone Nut Theory is really the Two Lone Nuts Theory.
I would highly recommend 'With Malice' by Dale Myers. This takes a different approach and forensically examines the murder of Dallas policeman JD Tippit who was killed minutes after JFK. Myers proves beyond a show of doubt that it was Oswald.
it really doesnt, meyers like all those who cover the tippet case over looks anything that is difficult or contradictory in the witness statements and takes leeps of faith based on his firm belief that oswald acted alone and puts his foot on the scale to make "evidence" that is not clear seem more compelling, for example the jacket found in the parking lot DOES NOT match the description of what oswald was wearing given by the vast majority of eye witnesses to his movements after the murder, the dry cleaning tag found in the jacket seems to have no correspondence to anywhere oswald ever went and it seems unlikely that the dirt poor oswald is having a light jacket dry cleaned, but someone did. myers wants to ignore the fact that the lone observor of the shooting was the horribly unreliable and unbelievable helen markham myers relies a lot on the non evidence given by one jack tatum a witness most other witnesses dont recall being at the murder site whos own story has many holes in it. myers also fudges around with the ballistic evidence. and the book is beyond poorly written. myers takes known factual incidents , for example the phone call tippet made at the gas station witnessed by two people who knew tippet by name , and suggests that it may not have happened, but gives no reason why two folks who knew tippet would invent such a story. theres a lot of this stuff in the book but thats myers mo for years he insisted that oswald and ferrire had never met for example until faced with the photo of the two of them together wherein myers still maintained that that doesnt mean they interacted beyond that one photo. and tis that kind of thinking thats prevelant in that book , its a very non academic approach to a crime that so far hasnt had a solid investigative book about it.
@@simonjames1604 How does anybody framing Oswald for Tippit know:
- he'll decide to put on a jacket at the last minute at all
- he'll discard the jacket in the streets
- there is any point in attacking a cop on the street since if anything goes wrong they'll just end up confirming a conspiracy exists
- the cop won't simply outdraw his attacker and blow the whole plot
- an imposter who looks so much like Oswald he is guaranteed to fool the nearly dozen Oak Cliff witnesses who ID Oswald as the man they saw shoot Tippit and flee needs to be hanging around 10th and Patton
- a cop will be driving at 10th and Patton at exactly the right moment to plausibly place Oswald at the crime scene
- Oswald will agree to help frame himself by trying to hide from passing police and ducking into the theater as cop cars keep pouring into the area
- Oswald will get himself caught red-handed trying to shoot a second cop minutes later
- Oswald will fight police like such a violent maniac 3 officers will be injured just disarming him
- Oswald will observe "Well, they say it only takes a minute to die" to police after asking the penalty for cop-killing
Etc.
If you do your research, you will find that some of the first people on the site of the Tippit murder gives you information that states otherwise. In addition, which Oswell are you talking about, because there are reports of two Oswald's. Look into the wallet incident. Did they find the wallet in his pocket at the police station, or on the scene of the Tippett murder?
You’re the best at these reactions I just finished watching the original video and love that you reacted to this
i love how absolutely everyone loves lemmino's content, its just that good
i thought this one was pretty bad, there are some obvious contradictions in the presentation . makes a point that ear witness testimony isnt reliable, which is fair then presents 3 ear witnesses as if they are more reliable than others, that kind of argument doesnt really work.
@@simonjames1604how is that contradictory? Just because no one is 100% trustowrthy, doesn't mean some people can't be more/less trustworthy than others.
@@axelode45 so how do you determine how "trustworthy" ear witnesses are when the video goes to lengths saying ear witnesses to shootings are almost always incorrect. being in the TSBD makes them more reliable? bill lovelady is standing in front of the TSBD and he believed the shots came from the triple overpass area. he is less trustworthy ? again the more/less argument has to be based on something. and in this case its based on nothing.
@@axelode45 and consider the third witness who states that 3 floors down from where the shooting is supposed to have occured a medium powered ww2 rifle was able to "shake" the entire building, how credible do you think that is? this rifle is loud and does kick like a mule but do you think it could cause a 7 story building to reverberate? so whats credible about her story? why is it in the video? seems like a bias is being put in place with little to any concern about credibility applied.
@@simonjames1604 I don't know, I've never fired or heard a gun being fired irl but yeah that does sound a bit strange. But is it really a significant detail? It could just be a slight exaggeration or a figurative way to describe the loudness of the sound. Plus I don't think those floors were very good at solating sound. Another witness said he could hear his colleagues speaking a floor below no?
This is a great video - it asks great questions that conspiracy people never ask
Wasn’t expecting a reaction so quick! This is a great day
Have you seen the Movie Oppenheimer?
Going this weekend
@@VloggingThroughHistoryit’s a phenomenal movie, very disturbing and opens the mind
Hi Chris - To your comments early on about the size of the plaza, I agree. On a business trip many years ago I was a passenger in a car that drove through there one evening. I thought it was much smaller than it seemed in news accounts and videos and an easy shot for a trained rifleman.
yet oswald was a radio operator and had a poor shooting record and a pretty lousy rifle with antiquated ammunition and a weapon that sat in a garage for a few weeks wrapped in a blanket . so not a good shot, not a good weapon in poor condition that hadnt been service. now suddenly it gets a little more difficult. not saying he couldnt have done it but he was suddenly an excellent shot on the day if he did the shooting. and that doesnt jibe with the historical record of who he was.
Lemmino is great. I remember subscribing to his channel when he was doing like top 10 facts on TF2 and stuff like that
Taking something as huge and unwieldy as JFK and simply focusing on one granular aspect of it is the best way to go about it.
Based on your knowledge of the industry and relationships with content creators, do you think this is a labor of love for Lemmino? Because I feel like his style and attention to detail could land him far bigger distribution platforms if he was so inclined. I donate to him every time because it's more than worth a movie ticket these days, IMO. Anyway, he deserves all the views he gets... and more.
This documentary is crafted information. It shapes a narrative, but for example. the documentary mentions it was decided only a few days before that the route would go to Dallas through that book depository, and it just so happens that Oswald got that job. The documentary presents information, but at key moments it should go into things like the decision to put the motorcade through that route. That matters. It is crafting a narrative, but outside that narrative lay other real facts that have direct bearing and are not focused on, so it is like creating an illusion, and uses misdirection by focusing only on the facts chosen.
Maybe because of the fact Oswald got that job, could play a direct role into why the decision was made to divert the motorcade past that route. As you can see by map, it is a diversion to go that way, as the motorcade could have simply continued straight. The other thing, where was the motorcade coming from and going to. Why would it take a side street like that to make the route slower and longer, off the main road.
Because, as the video does mention, the first lady would have been toward the Book Depository building and so if someone wanted to help Oswald, they'd need to make sure the route that went by Oswald needs to have the President on the side Oswald will have some view of, so the decision was made to make it go down that side street off the main straight road. This documentary takes a myopic view, and does not see the other angles and bigger picture.
The real question is WHY produce this JFK video now, and why push that narrative. Maybe it has to do with JFK Jr and the fact that they are pushing the idea that Conspiracies happen, but they are faulty logic and thinking and those who feed into them are crazy people or somehow off, but the reality is this. The mainstream media lied, colluded with the government who lied, and real evidence as that fact, and it means a lot people who watched that mainstream media were gullible useful idiots essentially, but the strategy then used by the Establishment is to push teaching younger people that mostly the media does not lie, and the majority of it the news is valid and legitimate. NPR pushes such ideas. They do that to combat the loss of faith in the secular ideology that holds that the centralized government is fundamentally good and trustworthy, and those who run its many so-called 'independent' agencies.
There is then a meta-level to this documentary as to what its own goals are, why it is released now, and not say a few years ago, like when Trump was in office, and no one was talking about RFK Jr.
Watch this documentary with a grain of salt. As to supporting the creator. No, he will be just fine as those who are paid to produce content if it serves an Establishment agenda, will find funding. Sort of like National Public Radio. If no one gives to them, they won't go off the air as they serve a purpose that the powerful want, and so funding will magically come, and more of it will be 'public ally funded' by the taxpayer if needed. The reality is NPR Is state-sponsored media and effectively Air America blasted inward to Americans. It is a propaganda network, with liberal peppering of real disinformation and misinformation into its shows and coverage. It is ideologically biased and rather extremist in his viewpoints. This is suppose to be Public radio, but is like an ideological 'church' for secular people to get their weekly dose of renewal of their ideological foundational beliefs. LIke the Media are speaking 'truth to power', which the opposite is true, NPR projects the voices of the powerful upon the powerless.
All that said watch this documentary to see how the narrative is crafted, and its implied conclusions as it is not presenting a neutral point of view of 'just the facts'. Think of it more like 'that is a set of facts' and there are other sets of facts which must be viewed relative to those facts.
When you see these testimony conversations? there are many others that are intentionally left out, and in the end, the Warren Commission sought to create a certain narrative that fit its agenda. The Warren Commission is completely discredited as a trustworthy body.
Had it not been for you posting this, I wouldn't have known Lemino posted something for weeks, reminded me to subscribe to them. Thanks Chris!
For the record, ive done a good amount of research on the assassination, and I agree that Oswald acting alone is the most likely outcome. That being said, Oswald's history in the years and months leading up to it are really uncomfortable. Lots of contradictory relationships and confusing coincidences.
Maybe he acted alone but it’s almost undeniable there was a cover up of some sort, the question is what it was.
@johnfarlow9936 yeah, it makes the most sense that he was some kind of CIA asset (which could just mean they knew who he was and had talked to him), and they panicked after the fact and tried to cover that association up.
That's the only reason him being allowed back into the country after defecting to the USSR during the absolute height of the Cold War makes any sense
@@Poet_Lorien it was probably when he started pleading not guilty and claiming he was a patsy, he was most likely about to talk but we will never know for sure.
@@iamjohnfarlow There are a lot of things wrong with the JFK but even the 25% or so that is historically accurate is really hard to comprehend. I always think about Oswald knowing Guy Banister and writing notes to FBI agents two weeks before the assassination
*the movie JFK, I meant to say