Gerald Posner, Author "Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK"
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2013
- November 21, 2013 - Allen Public Library 7 p.m. (via Skype)
In his book Case Closed, Posner contends that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of John F. Kennedy and Oswald's murderer, Jack Ruby, acted independently as well. Case Closed was a New York Times bestseller and a finalist for the 1994 Pulitzer Prize for History.
My stepmother went to school with Oswald when he lived in Fort Worth as a little kid. She said he was an odd kid and often bullied. My step grandmother said she was outside working on the lawn one day when she saw Oswald walking down the road. He had a black eye. Oswald’s mother drove up and asked him what happened. He told her he was in a fight. She asked “did you win?” Oswald said “no mama.” She then gave a look of disapproval and then drove off. She could care less her son was beaten up. My step grandmother saw all of this and felt sorry for him. She told me he didn’t have a chance. His mother was a monster.
Rrrrrright...
She was.
Kid moved 12 times before was 15 (?) - all his mother cared about was money.
I think it was Bob Schieffer who had to give her a ride to Dallas from Fort Worth on the weekend of the assassination, and he said she is a complete wacko... no it was McNeil from the McNeil Lehrer Report
Whatever people may say about him, there is no doubt he was dealt a bad hand in life himself.
@@Ligerpride definitely. His childhood experiences definitely left him at a severe disadvantage in life, but of course that doesn't excuse what he did. Many people are dealt bad hands in life, but are able to pull through in the end. Everyone has hardships, it's how you react to them is what really shapes you.
Imagine that you are looking for someone to set up as a patsy, would you pick someone who is 'normal' or someone with the character of Oswald described here?
Idk because most of us would never set somebody up. Conspiracy believers always know how to fake stuff up because that’s what they have to do all day every day to still imagine anyone else was involved.
Someone who they might make think that he was the main event.
The government wouldn’t risk a 23 year old lunatic. He had such a troubled past. You have to have some level of credentials to be recruited for any level of secrecy with psychological testing.
@@mauiswift6391 which makes him the perfect candidate.
@@mauiswift6391 lol Secrec? They killed him 2 days later. You just proved yourself wrong
Geraldine Reid
The Warren Commission spoke to a Depository employee witness who they simply refer to as "Mrs. Robert Reid," failing to refer to her real first name, which was Delores. She was standing in front of the Book Depository as the motorcade drove by.
However, there was a second Mrs. Reid who worked on the second floor of the Book Depository. Her name was Geraldine Reid. The Warren Commission avoided mentioning this Mrs. Reid like the plague. She was flown to Washington and interrogated by the Commission. Her testimony was so devastating to their preconceived conclusion of Oswald's guilt that they buried all references to her. She said, "I was threatened to keep my mouth shut, or else."
Anyone reading the testimony of "Mrs. Robert Reid" would naturally assume that there had been only one 'Mrs. Reid'. In fact there were two: Mrs. Robert Reid (Delores) and Mrs. Geraldine Reid. Here, for the first time, is Geraldine Reid's story:
About one minute before the fatal shots were fired at the motorcade, Lee Oswald walked into the office across the second floor hallway from the snack room where he had been eating his lunch. He wanted to buy a bottle of soda and did not have the required change for the machine. He walked up to Geraldine Reid at her desk and handed her a dollar bill and asked her for change.
"Mr. Oswald didn't like pennies. I remember that," she recalled. "As I was counting out the change, I heard what I later learned were gunshots. Mr. Oswald and I looked at each other quizzically for a moment, but neither of us said anything about the sounds. I did not know that they were shots at the time. I gave Mr. Oswald the change and he turned and walked back into the hallway toward the snack room. That's the last time I saw him until he passed by me a few minutes later as he was leaving the building."
Approximately seventy-two seconds after the shots ended and Oswald had returned to the snack room to buy a soda from the machine, Officer Marrion Baker and Oswald's boss, Roy Truly, confronted him in the snack room. Truly told Baker that it was alright and that Oswald, in fact, worked for him. At that time, Truly mentioned to Lee that President Kennedy had been shot. Oswald seemed genuinely surprised. Baker and Truly then left the lunchroom and headed upstairs to investigate further. In the meantime, someone had informed Geraldine Reid about the assassination.
Geraldine Reid's final encounter with Lee Oswald occurred a few minutes later. "The last time I saw Mr. Oswald, he was leaving the building," Reid stated. "As he passed me by, I noticed that he had his jacket slung over his arm. I told him that the President had just been shot and he simply said 'Oh?' or something like that, and kept on walking out of the office to go downstairs and, I assume, out of the building."
Oswald's jacket was found in the building. This is baloney.
A total Bullshit story.
Bullshit story, made up by Robert Groden to sell a book with zero corroboration.
Just ask yourself: Could she have been wrong, or lying, for whatever reason?
Consider this, lets say it happened the way she said. Do you actually believe that Oswald, who considered himself a great political thinker, and would tell that to anyone who would listen, would be shuffling around the Coke machine when the leader of the free world was passing mere feet from the front door of his workplace? Even people who had no interest in politics were on the sidewalks or hanging out of windows to see the motorcade. Oswald certainly would have a keen interest in looking at the man who ostensibly ran the free world.
It’s incomprehensible to think he would have just ignored the parade-if only to have something to complain about to others.
No my friend. Lee was watching that motorcade intensely-from his assassin’s perch on the sixth floor…
@@Ckom-Tunes A lot of words that reveal your lack of knowledge of the three witnesses on the 4th floor. Immediately after the shots were fired two women, from the 4th floor ,went down the same stairs that Oswald was supposed to have sprinted down to make his getaway. They did not see or hear anyone else on those stairs, but they did see the police office and building manager go up the stairs. The third woman remained behind on the 4th floor. She had from her desk a clear view of the stairs. She saw no one go down the stairs, but did see the police officer and building manager pass by on there way up the stairs. The ARRB revealed a memo from the Warren Commission confirming they interviewed one the women who went down the stairs and that it was a problem for Warren Commission. Her testimony has never been found in the records. The Warren Commission refused to interview the other two witnesses.
The most researched book is “Reclaiming History”. Case Closed is a well written book and along with the Warren Commission Report and “Reclaiming History” then the truth is fully explained.
only if one doesnt bother you know will silly things like fact checking .
It's garbage, cherry picked bs
@@fobrien1 HaHa, my auld pal fobrien, I have the book Reclaiming History, do you?
When people start name calling in comments they have no evidence or knowledge on wtf there talking about
Hey moron learn how to spell
Check mate I think!
I must admit I am on the fence as far as to the depth of Oswald's involvement overall but if he acted alone, from TBSD, how did a bullet manage to go through the front windshield from the 'outside'?
The same way the "magic bullet" did. The bullet missed the target, then did a U-Turn in mid air, and while maintaining velocity, made impact on the windshield. This is known as Warren Report Physics.
It didn't. That claim is CT fiction.
Presumably, you hold in your hands a smart phone which is quite capable of performing Google search functions. If you spend a few minutes using it, you can easily answer and debunk your own claim
It didnt.
@@rds333 Your premise is faulty. Kennedy and Conally were NOT seated front to back. Kennedy was in the rear to the right of Connally who was in a jump seat down and to the left of Kennedy. Look at all the photos of them in the car. Connally was 6 ft 4 and Kennedy was 6 ft 1 and is seated HIGHER in the rear than Connally was in the front. NOW tell me about the trajectory...You need to see or read something besides an Oliver Stone movie... Stone is a known liar.. So is Lane
I was a fully immersed conspiracist prior to 1991. Oliver Stone’s movie moved me emotionally but I thought Stone took the wrong path by emphasizing the Jim Garrison angle. What I did not know then was how this would become the start of my skepticism and inexorably lead me to reevaluate and significantly moderate of my beliefs regarding JFK assassination machinations.
I beg to differ. Stone put both on the same level: Garrison's work to come to the conclusion that there were more shooters and Oswald was framed, and to show how things get done in Washington. If the audience missed the second part I just mentioned, then they weren't paying attention and focused only on Garrison. The movie is not about Garrison's angle, it's based on a book he wrote.
Garrison never met a conspiracy he didn't like. I think his final total of shooters was well up in the teens: on the grassy knoll, on the triple overpass, in storm drains, in other buildings, and on and on. It's a wonder everybody in Dealy Plaza didn't get hit in the crossfire.
@@williamwingo4740 exactly. And with all his shooters and teams, only one shot was successful. 👌
@@franclin0 his definitive opinion was three.Others suggested the overpass,drain etc etc.
@@cameronsmith8730 3 shooters?
I was only 19 years old when I first saw Oswald being interviewed after President Kennedy's assassination. My thoughts at the time were, this does not look like a man who has just committed the crime of the century. Recently a friend visited the museum in Dallas and I think a former Marine was there who said, he thought it impossible for those shots to have all been fired from that position. Why did so many people run towards the Grassy Knoll immediately after the third fatal shot? Numerous witnesses said the shot came from there. It is also unbelievable that no notes were kept of the Police interview with Oswald. I don't know the answers ,but the appalling catalogue of events following this horrendous crime raise many unanswered questions.
Wouldn't that fact that Oswald killed Officer Tippet point you to his guilt in killing JFK? Firing the shots has been replicated several times and the firearms experts, from the military, who testified to the Warren Commission, said the shots were very possible to make by Oswald. And keep in mind that many people running toward the grassy noll direction were also running toward the direction where Kennedy was shot. Finally, there was never any evidence/bullets found fired from that direction (they would have hit someone or the car or a tree or building past the car). Check out "Reclaiming History" for the most detailed, conspiracy-squashing book on this subject... it is very long and is well indexed so any reader can get quickly to topics of interest.
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Why would a bunch of regular people charge up the knoll if they thought someone with a rifle was up there? People in general are not that brave and ready to risk their lives. They were probably going to the cars parked in the lot over the other side of the knoll.
@@MrWolfmantim He never killed Tipet though, thats the thing
@@Firearcher4 Please purchase and read the Report of the Warren Commission's section on Tippit's murder by Oswald. Oswald was picked out of lineups by several eyewitnesses; at least one of the bullets taken from Tippit's body was identifiable and it came from the pistol Oswald purchased and was on his person in the movie theatre. So many people saw Oswald's movements that every step he took from shooting Tippit to sneaking into the theatre was eyewitnessed.
entry wounds don't blow big holes in the back of you head, rather in the front. And if oswald used a carcano bullet there should be an exit wound in the face at 2200 ft/second. A bullet in the back at T3 can't exit the front of the neck , but a front neck wound could make it to T3 vertebra
Kennedy’s head was tilted left and downward. The brain matter flew forward. Like you said about exit wounds, if JFK was shot from the front/right, shouldn’t there be an exit wound on the left side of JFK’s head?
Look at autopsy photos. Bullet hole entry was small. The neck exist wound was from the first shot in the back.
So,....what about the huge wound in the back of JFK'S wound that all the doctors said they saw up close.
@TermsofService if you're not familiar with the huge open wound in JFK'S head then read Dr Crenshaw's book trauma room one.
@TermsofService he was a doctor who stated there was a huge exit wound in the back. He's was a qualified surgeon. More that 43 witnesses at Parkland and Bethesda have also said there was an exit wound. Most of those were medical personal. You can't discount all of that because you believe Posner and Bugliosi who were were not there. 43 witnesses are to be believed. If you try to discredit that many, you cannot be helped. Witnesses have come forward saying they were ordere to alter to xrays and autospy reports. There is so much more. Have you even read the books on these topics? They are not theories as you claim. They are facts. Unfortunately you're willingly ignorant if truth. You're sleeping at the wheel and don't care. You're in love with your opinions which are not based on facts. Grow up loser
@TermsofService Dr Robert McClelland a trauma surgeon present with JFK in hospital has also said that the massive exit wound in the back of JFKs head was an exit wound due to it's avulsion outward and he makes mention of the entry wound being above Jfk's right eye at the hairline.
He's qualified to make those statements based on his credibility, his position as trauma surgeon and his eyewitness experience.
Same testimony as Dr Crenshaw and other doctors present. They've been interviewed, you can view their statements here on RUclips.
You can't debunk that
@TermsofService two caskets were carried into Bethesda naval hospital. The bronze casket, the one that we were told had JFk, was empty. JFK was actually brought into the hospital in a military shipping casket. The men who removed him from the shipping casket have come forward to make it known that's what happened. JFK arrived earlier than that bronze casket. Surgery was performed prior to the autopsy, as stated in Dr Humes report. The body was altered to conceal the frontal shot.
@@g.private9101 It was mentioned in a version that the, murdered cop was the dead body double, because he looked like Kennedy, + Oswalds double was the one, who shot the cop not the real Lee Harvey Oswald.
For those who believe Oswald was "easily" able to return to the US from the Soviet Union, please read Norman Mailer's book "Oswald's Tale" specifically pages 200-300. Mailer quotes extensively from US cables and memos, some Soviet documents and the KGB files about Oswald's attempts to repatriate.
It took Oswald almost a full year to get approval from the US State Department. There were inquiries as to whether the government could prosecute Oswald, whether they should allow Marina to come in, whether to provide assistance to Oswald and other bureaucratic matters. It was a slow and cumbersome process.
If Oswald was working for the CIA - something I think there is no basis for - then the State Department certainly didn't know about it. Because they gave him hell.
Steven Galbraith
Good book.
Although I don't share his conclusion (that Oswald acted alone) I believe that Mailer's book is the best ever written on the assassination. He also notes that Oswald suddenly cleared that State Department loan with three large payments after paying $10 a month or so. Perhaps Oswald was an informant for the FBI. That doesn't mean that they were involved in the assignation. Mailer also wrote that the FBI would recruit people from the margins of society to infiltrate subversive organisations. They would try to encourage other members of radical left and right wing organisations to engage in illegal activity. Thus making the Bureau's case stronger.
@@Saintinthecity-wh9nl Read Lone Star Speaks a new book that has a lot of new and scary info.
@@vernpascal1531 I will have a look, thank you.
The CIA had 42 files on Oswald,
dating back to 1957.
Oswald was highly intelligent,,,he also had a very high security clearance.,,,he also knew way to much
Oswald had an IQ of 118, yet he never had a drivers license or knew how to drive a vehicle. Never had a father, hated his mother. Loved to read books endlessly, spent most of his formative years in foster care, was picked on, bullied and and hated school. The young man was a basket case from the get go, and Lee was an angry, self absorbed individual with a distorted vision of the world around himself.
@@user6008 says, "Oswald had an IQ of 118", Where did you get this information? Give us a link to verify this assertion.
An IQ of 118 is not very high. An average IQ score is between 85 and 115. 68% of IQ scores fall within one standard deviation of the mean.
An IQ score over 140 indicates that you're a genius or nearly a genius, while 120 - 140 is classed as "very superior intelligence". 110 - 119 is "superior intelligence", while 90 - 109 is "normal or average intelligence".
I have an IQ of 135. What is your IQ Mr. Hancock? 185? Lol
@@williamwhitten7820 National archives, JFK assassination records. 118 is considered above average with 98 being average. You need to do some heavy reading before spouting off nonsense. Lee Oswald was intelligent, he was also an introvert with violent tendencies, had an incredibly F-D up childhood, hated his mother, resented authority. Basically a square peg in a round hole. The kid actually scored an IQ 102 in fourth grade, loved to read voraciously which explains why his IQ was above average. Lee actually skipped school to hang out in the public library, where he learned about Marxism. You should watch the radio interview he gave in New Orleans, where lee's intelligence is displayed.
@@user6008 Again, you haven't given a source for you assertions. I do no doubt Oswald had a high IQ. Oswald was an ONI agent on a mission to infiltrate the conspiracy forming in New Orleans in early 1963, and shifted to Dallas later. John M. Newman has proven this in his deep study of the Assassination.
All I want from you is links to your information.
Mortician Thomas Evan Robinson: Notes on preparation of JFK’s body for burial
Transcription of these handwritten notes:
Thomas Evan Robinson
Personal contact info deleted to protect Mr. Robinson’s privacy
May 26, 1992 (Phone)
Wounds:
Large gaping hole in back of head.
patched by placing piece of rubber…..over it.
Thinks skull full of Plaster of Paris.
Smaller wound in right temple.
Crescent shped, flapped down (3″)
(approx 2) Small sharpnel wounds in face.
Packed with wax.
Wound in back (5 to six inches) below shoulder.
To the right of the back bone.
Adrenlin gland and brain removed.
Other organs removed and then put back.
No swelling or discoloration to face.
(Died instantly)
Dr. Berkley (family physician) came in an ask…..
“How much longer???”
He (Robinson) was told (funeral director)
“Take your time.”
Thomas Evan Robinson
Personal contact info deleted to protect Mr. Robinson’s privacy
May 26, 1992 (Phone)
Wounds:
Large gaping hole in back of head.
patched by placing piece of rubber…..over it.
Thinks skull full of Plaster of Paris.
Smaller wound in right temple.
Crescent shped, flapped down (3″)
(approx 2) Small sharpnel wounds in face.
Packed with wax.
Wound in back (5 to six inches) below shoulder.
To the right of the back bone.
Adrenlin gland and brain removed.
Other organs removed and then put back.
No swelling or discoloration to face.
(Died instantly)
Dr. Berkley (family physician) came in an ask…..
“How much longer???”
He (Robinson) was told (funeral director)
“Take your time.”
************************************************
My commentary:
“Large gaping hole in back of head. patched by placing piece of rubber…..over it.
Thinks skull full of Plaster of Paris.”
The brain was removed during autopsy, of course plaster of Paris would have been used to keep the skull from fragmenting further during the time between autopsy and being sent to mortician.
We again get into the issue - what does “back of the head” mean? The autopsy photos and x-rays show the wound is to the back of the occipital parietal, all the Parkland doctors used the same phrase.
“Smaller wound in right temple. Crescent shped, flapped down (3″)” This is the entrance wound, that is without dispute by the research community.
“(approx 2) Small sharpnel wounds in face. Packed with wax.” These would be caused by windshield glass, as Sherry Fiester CSI tracks the trajectory from the end of Dealey plaza near the Triple Underpass, which is higher in elevation than the area in front of the pavilion where the bullet hit Kennedy, as seen in the Zapruder film.
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Buell frazier said the package Oswald carried that morning wasnt big enough to be a rifle. He said it was about 2 feet long. Frazier is on several utube videos saying this.
He qualified his testimony by saying he didn't get a good look at it. Only a glance he said.
@@banjohombre which is not true at all he saw oswald walking into the tsbd with the package and he has stated clearly it wasnt big enough for a rifle.
@@simonjames1604 That's not what he said under oath. Read his testimony.
@@banjohombre he has said it many times since you can find interviews with the man and he says plainly that what oswald had could not have contained a rifle
@@banjohombre he got a long look at it as he described to police how oswald put it in the car and walked slowly from the car to the tsbd and told the police it was too small to be a rifle thats his official police statement.
Poser makes a good case . A dam good case . But the problem I have with Posner is that he doesn’t explain some of the crucial points on the other side . Are the railroad men wrong that they said they saw a shot from the picket fence and saw smoke . LBJ’s mistress said he told her the night before “ after tomorrow I won’t have the Kennedy ‘s on my back any longer “ . How about the auto glass manager in the plant where the limo was sent . Papers were found by his wife after his death where he states the windshield had a clear whole in it caused by a bullet . Chauncey Holt a person who worked for the CIA and Mafia before he died made videos indicating on the day of the killing he gave a gun to Charles Harrelson in the parking lot behind the picket fence . Plus many more questions. Posner is saying Oswald shot 3 times from the window and killed the president. People will give you that they just say besides Oswald other shooters were there and took shots also which is a conspiracy
How about the fact the the windshield is still in The National Archives today and has no hole in it?
In addition,,,,To rdEE,,,,,to Mj,,,Plot method,To John,,,To Mark, yes E. Howard Hunt was in that role in the project they named the" Big event", as Architect. He was CIA,
Photo of him in Dallas exists., wearing earpiece as given to Dallas police.
Barrie,,,,To @truth:::::To Pete ,@alankoz5067
Yes, you got all your points correct!! Mac Wallace an
Frank Sturgis was a confirmed shooters at Kennedy too, as well as at least 8 others. Every main (5) shooter had an assigned backup shooter, as well there were signal men, spotters, fake badgemen., commander,
Tactician, Strategist, Architect w field
Crossfire setup, with a kill zone painted in yellow paint stripes on curb,
6 confessions an counting,
LBJ Accountant paid most shooters, 5 snipers who were firing from 5 different directions,
Jfk hit with 6 bullets totally, very complex plot.
Head Shots:: to Jfk, fatal, overlapping 2 shot from back, 2 shot from front, some silencers utilized, shot to front throat via windshield shot from front, Bullet stuck in throat of jfk until Bethesda, shot to back right shoulder , from back, bullet that fell out in limo.
also.. Motorcycle cop left recording open for audio,
Was spliced onto real non tampered Zapruder film, matches up exactly 💯 by Groden an others. For non-
Silenced shots,,,
Volley of 16 shots totally by multi-shooters, heard by Nellie Connolly...A lone shooter cannot generate a 16 plus shots volley w bolt
Action rifle in matter of seconds. Nor can Carcano
Fire frangible bullets within a Fuselage of shots. Signaled by 🌂. Man.
Project financed by big Oilmen, payouts by LBJ staff. N lawyer.
Many investigations squelched, for years, evidence tampered with, evidence hidden, coercion, witnesses killed. Rogue CIA playbookkkk, body switch with Tippit, you couldn't make this up,
Bogus autopsy, sad very,
Very Stolen brains.
Tape of military Chiefs secretly recorded them saying Kennedy was a marked man, after jfk left meeting..project corruption Event
ensued. Cover-up started immediately
Posner is right. One of the main things all of the "conspiracy buffs" leave out is Oswald. Oswald always gets lost in their stories. I use to be one that believed in conspiracy. I have read "Rush to Judgement" by lane, "6 Seconds in Dallas" by Josiah Thompson, "High Treason" by Groden and Livingston. What I begin to notice was they used a lot of statements like"This could Mean", "It is possible", "Maybe this means", and never really present any hard evidence. Lifton's "Best Evidence" is so bad I am embarrassed to admit I bought it. I have also read "Case Closed", "Conspiracy of One", and "Reclaiming History', as well as researching the Warren Commission, Church Committee, HSCA, and other research material including ARRB documents. What the conspiracy buffs always do also is to quote someone but they leave out all of the testimony or quote and twist it to fit their theory. Example Lane uses statements by Jesse Price who was across the Plaza on the south side. he told Lane that he saw a man running after the shooting over by the grassy knoll. What Lane does not tell his readers is that Price also said that he heard a final shot "5 MINUTES AFTER"! Funny. Lane knew if he put that in his book that it would discredit Price. No, it is the conspiracy buffs who never tell the truth.
+bummy, I've been down the same road and have come to same conclusion. The conspiratorist if that's a word do exactly as you state in order to sell books. They are corrupting history & profiteering on the murder of Kennedy & the ignorance of the reader.
+Bummy Ike Hi Bummy..Nice to see you posting again!
Bilge Pump Exactly. The conspiracy buffs bank on the gullibility of the average American to not do their own research. It is all about making money from the president's death.
Checkm8king2 Hey buddy. The fight goes on.
Word! I too used to be a conspirator, till I heard from Robert Oswald, and saw computer simulations and forensic evidence that support shots from that 6th floor. I've come full circle: from Oswald to the CIA to the Soviets/Cubans, the mob, Johnson and now back to Oswald. Computer simulations aren't conclusive evidence of course (GIGO), but since the conspirators don't present their own which counters that which points to Oswald on the 6th floor, then their main evidence isn't much more than "take my word for it".
Curious that Lees top Marine corps shooting score 212 is mentioned.
Dispite this his shooting ability is still questioned in conspiracy scenarios. I stumbled upon Charles Wittmans Marine shooting record last year who some will remember as the Austin Texas collage campus shooter. No doubt about his ability with a rifle and no conspiracy theories to cloud opinion. He scored 215... Lee was only three points behind this notorious sharp shooter.
There’s a recording of LBJ and J Edger Hoover talking a week after the assassination. Hoover told LBJ the way he thinks it happened. To the letter his “Theory” was the exact conclusion of the Warren Report, before the investigation had started. To me it proves they had the conclusion before the investigation, and the “investigation” was just twisting evidence, to fit the narrative they wanted for the public. I recommend anyone listen too it. It’s on RUclips. Make your own conclusion
@@justaburgscousin
Trouble is with the FBI (so obviously Hoover) they were aware of Lee. , knew his location and tried to cover up they knew after the assassination. This cover up especially agent Hosty destroying a letter from Lee threatening the FBI has in my opinion spawned the whole conspiracy issue. There was a conspiracy and it was to cover up ineptitude
by the FBI not monitoring Lee more closely. This would have especially been on Hoovers radar , this is why he pushed an agenda imo.
This has never been closed, except by fools.
@@jeffeverett274 You are the fool, ya steamer!
And your the numb nuts. Fool.
I always believed Oswald was a lone gunman until Postner came on the scene
lol
Yes . What about all those guys hiding in flood drains and on the grassy knoll with their Mannlicher Carcanos disguised as curtain rails .
re: "I always believed Oswald was a lone gunman until ... "
Okay, Lee.
A ballistics question. The magic bullet went through JFK, into Connelly hitting his rib and wrist bone, emerging not pristine but intact. The bullet that hit JFK's head exploded along with JFK's head, the bullet ended up in fragments. If both bullets were full metal jacket bullets why did one explode and the other remain intact. I'm sure there must be a simple explanation that I have never heard but I have always been curious about this. The Geneva Convention mandated bullets with full metal jackets to prevent the type of injury we see to JFK's head. Did Oswald use two types of ammo?
Mike E
read Mortal Error
Ken Baltitas
I did years ago. The author claimed a SS agent in the car following JFK fell backwards and accidentally discharged his rifle, a rifle that had ammo without a metal jacket and the shot hit JFK, hence all of the damage to Kennedy's head. I actually thought Mortal Error made more sense than some of the other books I've read. I guess the government would have a lot of reasons to cover up a mistake like that. A great headline, "Secret Service Agent Accidentally Kills President." The author did not exclude Oswald from his theory, he felt Oswald was there, Oswald fired shots that apparently hit Kennedy in the back but the fatal shot was fired by the SS agent. The premise for his book was that the ammo Oswald used (full metal jacket) would not have caused such catastrophic damage to JFK's head. So if I remember correctly the first one or two shots were heard, the SS agent stood up in the follow car with his rifle, an AR15 if I remember correctly, the car lurched, the agent fell backwards and accidentally fired his rifle hitting JFK in the head. And of course their is evidence that the SS agents had been out until 3AM drinking that morning so none of this presented a very good picture of the Secret Service, the agency who's job it was to protect the president.
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I am not a ballistics expert but some people wonder why a full metal jacket bullet would cause JFK's head to explode, the exact thing such a bullet was engineered not to do. Wouldn't it enter one side of the skull and exit the other side leaving two small holes and a path through the brain? The back wound is another problem. Both Dr. Humes and Dr. Boswell, the doctors who performed the autopsy at Bethesda, placed the back entrance wound at the level of the third thoracic vertebrae (51/2" down from the shirt collar would be) and slightly to the right of the spine. If that entrance wound is lined up with the supposed exit wound in the throat it is hard to imagine that bullet being fired from the 6th floor of the TSBD. Some have countered that the shirt and coat were bunched up and due to that the bullet entered higher than it actually did. The holes in the clothing are irrelevant, the bullet hole in JFK's back is the important measurement and it was noted as being at the level of the third thoracic vertebrae in the autopsy diagram. Gerald Ford apparently fudged and misled the WC stating the entrance wound was in the neck rather than the back which conveniently aligned it with the 6th floor of the TSBD.
intra-cranial pressure
The man who Mortal Error was about is Howard Donahue. He was a world class expert in the field of forensic ballistics. The man got it 99% right.
Next thing you know he will say the Easter Bunny was a sharpshooter and the assassin.
do we have copies of the returned letter at14.30 surely there are records
So Oswald was a crack shot but hit the window frame instead of Walker. So Oswald was a tyrant towards Marina but moved to New Orleans when she told him to instead of punching her in the face again.
And he hit traffic lights…
Perhaps someone can explain the magic bullet. Why are there more bullet fragments seen in Gov. Connally's x-rays then there are missing on the magic bullet. Connally's Doctor did say in the press conference after surgery that there was still a bullet in Connally's leg. How did that get onto the stretcher in the hall. Now that's magic!
That's a myth because some conspiracy kooks say that doesnt make it so
Posner pretends here that the nick in the almost pristine magic bullet happened when it hit Connolly but I heard it was made by some investigators who took a sample for metal analysis.
Why weren't the bullet fragments ever compared,especially the ones from the President ?
@@cameronsmith8730 You have just answered your own question. Lawyers never ask a question they do not want to know the answer to.
@@ChanceJohnT58 Nor the people for that matter.
The old fat man Zapruder himself left much more than the images of his film. He stood bravely and as steady as he could when he filmed a violent event while others ducked and hit the ground. Somehow this amateur photographer kept the limousine in the middle of the frame and he flinched slightly only three times. If there were more shots he would have flinched more times, and if the shots were coming from closer to him he would have probably flinched harder. The actions of Zapruder himself tells a story, a true story.
Yes, when I think about it your absolutely right. This is something that can't be faked!!
@@davejones5745 The Zapruder film has been doctored by CIA, do you not know anything?
@@JfK--OBJECTivE . Well there you go, taking somekind of wild conspiracy theory and claiming it's a fact chiseled in stone!?! Sad that you would believe this...
Agree his whole demeanor is doubtful, almost diversion style, heard he was hired for the confusion involved.
@@JfK--OBJECTivE wouldn't it be easier to destroy it and say it was damaged beyond repair while trying to analyze it? I ask because you're inferring that the original has been altered and all the copies out there are manipulated fakes. Why fake it? Why not just destroy it?
One thing you'll notice with lone gunman theorists is that they focus on Oswald, not the assassination as a whole. Almost their entire presentation, as Posner's here, is about Oswald. What does that leave out? It leaves out everything the Warren Report wanted left out >>> any factual evidence that points AWAY from Oswald as lone wolf. The false assumption made is that Oswald killed JFK, Oswald acted alone, period. Lone gunman theorists make no effort to find the truth about the assassination. Their only effort is to try to prosecute Oswald.
To KenT, in addition they
To rdEE,,,,,to Mj,,,Plot method,To John,,,To Mark, yes E. Howard Hunt was in that role in the project they named the" Big event", as Architect. He was CIA,
Photo of him in Dallas exists., wearing earpiece as given to Dallas police.
Barrie,,,,To @truth:::::To Pete ,@alankoz5067
Yes, you got all your points correct!! Mac Wallace an
Frank Sturgis was a confirmed shooters at Kennedy too, as well as at least 8 others. Every main (5) shooter had an assigned backup shooter, as well there were signal men, spotters, fake badgemen., commander,
Tactician, Strategist, Architect w field
Crossfire setup, with a kill zone painted in yellow paint stripes on curb,
6 confessions an counting,
LBJ Accountant paid most shooters, 5 snipers who were firing from 5 different directions,
Jfk hit with 6 bullets totally, very complex plot.
Head Shots:: to Jfk, fatal, overlapping 2 shot from back, 2 shot from front, some silencers utilized, shot to front throat via windshield shot from front, Bullet stuck in throat of jfk until Bethesda, shot to back right shoulder , from back, bullet that fell out in limo.
also.. Motorcycle cop left recording open for audio,
Was spliced onto real non tampered Zapruder film, matches up exactly 💯 by Groden an others. For non-
Silenced shots,,,
Volley of 16 shots totally by multi-shooters, heard by Nellie Connolly...A lone shooter cannot generate a 16 plus shots volley w bolt
Action rifle in matter of seconds. Nor can Carcano
Fire frangible bullets within a Fuselage of shots. Signaled by 🌂. Man.
Project financed by big Oilmen, payouts by LBJ staff. N lawyer.
Many investigations squelched, for years, evidence tampered with, evidence hidden, coercion, witnesses killed. Rogue CIA playbookkkk, body switch with Tippit, you couldn't make this up,
Bogus autopsy, sad very,
Very Stolen brains.
Tape of military Chiefs secretly recorded them saying Kennedy was a marked man, after jfk left meeting..project corruption Event
ensued. Cover-up started immediately.
The problem for me has always been is how the hell did he get those shots off with a bolt action rifle? 60 minutes did the test with a renowned expert on marksmanship...and even he couldn't perform the task. For me that is indeed the sticking point.
David Hutchinson
Oswald had 8.3 seconds to fire 3 shots. NOT less than 6 seconds as the Warren Commission thought originally.
He had a round in the chamber when the Limo turned onto Elm Street. He only had to cycle the rifle twice. The longest shot was 88 yards. Child's play for anyone that was trained in the US Marines that qualified as a Sharpshooter.
2nd and 3rd shots were right on top of each other. Pretty much every witness says that. That destroys the single gunman theory. Clearly a conspiracy. Dont overthink things. It's obvious if your thinking straight
@@johnadams5489 8 seconds, 8 minutes--that carcano was once called a mauser. the 6.5 casing they found didn't fit a 7.65 caliber weapon. the bullet path don't make sense, the recovered pristine slug don't hold up. the wounds changed entry point once the body was stolen and the military got their hands on it. you're pledging allegiance to the flag and the banana republic for which it stands.
Really? I've seen it replicated on the Discovery Channel show Unsolved History by an 88 year old man.
CBS News replicated the kill and 3 marksman hit at lest once. One man hit all three times in 5.62
It is extremely difficult to believe that Dr. Robert Perry would recommend Posner's grimoire of patent psychobabble. Dr. Perry said three time in an interview in front of Parkland Hospital on 11/22/63 that the wound in the throat was an entrance wound.
To further corroborate this, the wound in Kennedy's back was at the level of the third thoracic vertebrae, some 6 inches lower than the throat wound. that trajectory eliminates the 6th floor window of the Book Depository Building. In fact it eliminates any position above ground level.
Remember this bullet is supposed to be the 'Magic' bullet that went through both JFK and Governor Connally. the physical facts cannot be denied.
“the wound in Kennedy's back was at the level of the third thoracic vertebrae, some 6 inches lower than the throat wound.”
The chief medical examiner for Dallas County, Dr. Charles Petty, was asked about this problem. He explained that from an analysis of the Zapruder film, the HSCA determined that at the time the president was struck in the back, his upper body (though not his head) was inclined forward at “an approximate angle of 11 to 18 degrees” relative to the horizontal plane, and because of this, Petty said, even though the bullet was at all times traveling downward (from the horizontal, i.e., relative to Elm Street) through the president’s body, from an anatomic standpoint (i.e., if the president had been seated ramrod straight-referred to medically as the “anatomic” or autopsy position) it was proceeding on a slightly upward path through his body. Therefore, diagrammatically, the bullet that struck the president appears to be going upward-in that it is exiting at a point on the president’s body higher than where it entered-“but it is only doing so anatomically,” he said, adding that “the president was not in an anatomic or autopsy position at the time he was shot. If he had been, the bullet, even anatomically speaking, would have exited at a lower point on his body than it entered, because it would have entered higher up.” As the HSCA photographic panel of experts concluded, “The bullet was moving…downward by 4.0° relative to Kennedy if he was sitting erect (not inclined forward or aft).”
@@robertromero8692 I will not rely on the psychobabble of Dr. Charles Petty. I have done my own analysis of the Zapruder film, Kennedy was NOT leaning forward at any such drastic angle when he was struck in the back. At z225 when we see Kennedy as he comes in view after being behind the FWY sign. he is sitting straight up with his hands at his chest.
At z274, JFK's head is bowed forward slightly as though he would be looking at the level of his knees, but his torso posture is straight up. But firing from the presumed official story, the bullet in the back would have exited from below the sternum.
See: *Costella Combined Edit Frames* - you need to be able to study the Zapruder frame by frame to do a proper analysis of the film.
@@williamwhitten7820 “I will not rely on the psychobabble of Dr. Charles Petty.”
It’s not “psychobabble”. It’s scientific medical analysis.
“Kennedy was NOT leaning forward at any such drastic angle when he was struck in the back. At z225 when we see Kennedy as he comes in view after being behind the FWY sign. he is sitting straight up with his hands at his chest.”
He had already been hit at Z225, so the angle then is not the salient one.
“you need to be able to study the Zapruder frame by frame to do a proper analysis of the film.”
This video does exactly that. It shows JFK’s head moving FORWARD at the moment of impact from the head shot.
ruclips.net/video/o0d6LG27hQM/видео.html
@@robertromero8692 Mrs. Jackie Kennedy - 1979 message to researcher Harrison Livingston via staff . From 'Killing Kennedy and the Hoax of the Century by Harrison Livingston. Pgs 22 & 30 - my information that the photograph is fraudulent comes from Jacqueline Kennedy through her staff and from representatives of the Kennedy family.
@@williamwhitten7820 What photograph are you even talking about??
'was it a CIA operative who got Oswald the job overlooking the president's route, no it was Ruth Paine.' Did this guy do any research into Ruth Paine and her connections with the CIA?
there's a great documentary, 'The Assassination And Mrs Paine'(2022)..
It wasn’t Ruth Paine either. It was a friend’s brother. He watched Oswald carry in the rifle he used to murder the President a few hours later.
Was Posner aware that Michael Payne phoned Ruth Payne on the day of the assassination (the phone was bugged) and told her they will blame the assassination on Oswald but we know different - this was before the name Oswald was publicised on TV.
Posner is beyond a donkey's ass. A complete, mendacious, arrogant
liar
Please !!
I think the fact that every person in the emergency room in Dallas said and today, save one, still says there was a major exit wound in the lower right side of the back of Kennedy's head is all that is necessary to set aside the idea that Oswald acted alone. For someone to later come along and say they were all mistaken is the real absurdity.
Kennedy was lying on his back and no one turned him over, so how could anyone see the back of his head? With all the hair JFK, had the wound was a bloody matted mess.
I think the fact that every person in the emergency room in Dallas said and today, save one, still says there was a major exit wound in the lower right side of the back of Kennedy's head
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A lie. Nobody said anything like that.
@@banjohombre That does explain much of what the ER docs thought they saw...but I still have a problem with Kemp Clark, the neurologist who signed the death certificate, saying that there was a large wound in the Occiput (back) of the head, extending somewhat to the right side. I think he got it wrong, but how could such a qualified surgeon make such a mistake?...and he never would talk about that day, beyond his WC interview. I think he was embarrassed!
@@banjohombrepure science there , I see 👌
@@michalbarcik
The doctors’ most startling observation was that the back of Kennedy’s skull was missing, indicating an exit wound and proving beyond doubt that there was a gunman shooting from the front. Yet the autopsy photos show the back of Kennedy’s head fairly intact. The doctors claim that the body must have been tampered with - perhaps part of the head was sewn back on to make it consistent with the lone gunman thesis.
There's a very good reason why Gerald's last name starts with those 3 letters
Fred Hoffman, a deaf mute, saw two men at the picket fence. A shooter and another supporting him. Also the Zapruder film shows Kennedy being thrown back with violence against the seat. James Files said he used a Mercury exploding bullet and fired from the picket fence. The Zapruder movie shows the impact of a fragmenting Mercury bullet. If Oswald was a shorter he was not alone.
A CBS documentary showed a test shot from a high-powered rifle hitting a skull (fake or animal, not sure which) from the REAR, and the skull is thrown BACKWARDS violently. It's counterintuitive, but that's what they showed in a video. I wish they'd show that test more frequently; that might quell people's justifiable suspicions.
The entry points for both shots that hit were from the back, there is absolutely no proof of a second shooter. There are eyewitnesses who saw Oswald in the window with gun in his little mitts. As for dear old Fred, it was proven many years ago that he was telling diabolical porkies about where he was stood during the assassination. The magic bullet theory has been completely disproved as Connolly was seated inwards and lower than JFK, so the trajectory is perfect for the sixth floor window. The trouble is that all these theories contradict one another, you all need to get to get together and plump for one and then set about finding even a tiny piece of evidence. Good luck with that 🤞🏼
@@explorepikespeak It wouldn’t. The evidence is overwhelming that both shots came from behind and Oswald was the one squeezing off shots. If the penny hasn’t yet dropped for those who have researched the subject, it never will. 🤷♂️
Bogus info!
Ath, To rdEE,,,,,to Mj,,,Plot method,To John,,,To Mark, yes E. Howard Hunt was in that role in the project they named the" Big event", as Architect. He was CIA,
Photo of him in Dallas exists., wearing earpiece as given to Dallas police.
Barrie,,,,To @truth:::::To Pete ,@alankoz5067
Yes, you got all your points correct!! Mac Wallace an
Frank Sturgis was a confirmed shooters at Kennedy too, as well as at least 8 others. Every main (5) shooter had an assigned backup shooter, as well there were signal men, spotters, fake badgemen., commander,
Tactician, Strategist, Architect w field
Crossfire setup, with a kill zone painted in yellow paint stripes on curb,
6 confessions an counting,
LBJ Accountant paid most shooters, 5 snipers who were firing from 5 different directions,
Jfk hit with 6 bullets totally, very complex plot.
Head Shots:: to Jfk, fatal, overlapping 2 shot from back, 2 shot from front, some silencers utilized, shot to front throat via windshield shot from front, Bullet stuck in throat of jfk until Bethesda, shot to back right shoulder , from back, bullet that fell out in limo.
also.. Motorcycle cop left recording open for audio,
Was spliced onto real non tampered Zapruder film, matches up exactly 💯 by Groden an others. For non-
Silenced shots,,,
Volley of 16 shots totally by multi-shooters, heard by Nellie Connolly...A lone shooter cannot generate a 16 plus shots volley w bolt
Action rifle in matter of seconds. Nor can Carcano
Fire frangible bullets within a Fuselage of shots. Signaled by 🌂. Man.
Project financed by big Oilmen, payouts by LBJ staff. N lawyer.
Many investigations squelched, for years, evidence tampered with, evidence hidden, coercion, witnesses killed. Rogue CIA playbookkkk, body switch with Tippit, you couldn't make this up,
Bogus autopsy, sad very,
Very Stolen brains.
Tape of military Chiefs secretly recorded them saying Kennedy was a marked man, after jfk left meeting..project corruption Event
ensued.
Posner’s book, as good as it is, is not the most researched book. Bugliosi’s is. It took him 20 years to research and write it.
So, Posner's book is the coaster _for_ the coffee table, right?
@@gecko-sb1kp Ooohhh, sick burn, bro!
You are correct. Both men have done an excellent job in revealing the truth...Bugliosi was a fanatical researcher, and a great prosecutor...his book is indeed the best one on this sad topic, but Posner got there first, by about 13 years!
Both these guys are a joke
Recent research by John M. Newman proves that Lee Harvey Oswald was an agent of ONI Office of Naval Intelligence. This puts Posner's entire psychological profile into question, as well as the reasons for Oswald's trip to Russia. Oswald was trained in the Russian language while in the military. He spoke the language so well that Marina thought he was a native Russian when they first met. When Oswald applied for a visa to travel to Russia one was supplied within a few short days, which is exceptionally fast. Then when Oswald returned from Russia he was given financial assistance from the US government to pay for his family's flight back to the US. When they landed in the US there was no debriefing of the so called traitor who offered to give US intelligence secrets to the USSR.
So he missed a seated general Edwin walker from a short distance on the ground. But he hits Kennedy twice from a moving target 6 stories up with a live oak tree in his way?
The way the car was moving slowly, it may have just have been a stationary target
@@timhorpo I am from Texas and have been to the Texas school book depository. The sixth floor “snipers nest” is plexiglassed off. Supposed to be how they found it after the shooting. If you go one floor below you can get right below where Oswald was supposedly firing. If he was really there the shot would have Been when the limo turns from Main Street onto Houston. The limo would have made i wide slow turn and then at a crawl would have been headed right to the shooter before making another wide slow turn onto elm. Kennedy then would have been suck a easy target. You would only need one shot. It would be a easy shot for any hunter or novice. It would not require a marksmen or sharp shooter. If you ever get a chance to delay place you must go. You will see things much much clearer.
Did his homework, lets the facts and evidence lead the way. Truth has no bias, no motive no purpose other than the truth..
Ric Rovey The truth shall set you free!
0% chance oswald did it alone. Actually there is zero proof that he was in on it
@@ryanwilliams6206 because he didn't.
"Case Closed", aka "Triggered by Stone's movie".
I've seen other researchers tell people that they use this Posner's guys book
as a doorstop! 😂
Why would he deny doing it if he was so proud, Gerald Posner?
To be a smug dick. Criminals do this all the time fool.
If it was Oswald's goal to "put himself in the history books" for killing JFK, why would he deny doing it?
No one knows Oswald's motivation. You describe just one of many speculations.
Because criminal denies their own actions.
Oswald was a coward. That's why he denied his own actions. Now does this exonerate him because he said he wasnt involved? Criminals plead not guilty all the time.
No one can prove oswald did and did it alone. No witnesses saw him. No admission. Hasn't been found guilty in the court of law. No fingerprints on the rifle til after his death. 2nd and 3rd shots were on top of each other. Rifle couldnt do that obviously. That alone destroys the single gunman theory
@@banjohombre thats a weak reply
So if the headshot came from Oswald, firing full metal jackets, where did the bullet end up, did it also hit Connolly like the pristine bullet, or did it disintegrate? Or did it come from a different gun and wasn't a full metal jacket?
Fragments of the head shot bullet were removed during the autopsy and chemically identified as matching to the not-pristine bullet found on the gurney. Also, the "magic bullet" conspiracy books won't show you the picture of the full bullet taken from back to front, where it is obviously no longer a round bullet. The picture can be seen in "Recclaiming History". Just that alone tells you that such authors are perpetrating a hoax to keep their conspiracy money train from collapsing.
@@MrWolfmantim I've seen pictures of the bullet in conspiracy books, if I remember correctly it is oval in section, particularly at the cartridge end with a slight cast along its length and there is at least one flat spot on the tip. As far as I know it has never been suggested that it hadn't been fired but that it wasn't the one that hit Kennedy and Connolly. One suggestion was that it had been fired into a cadaver from the carcano prior to the assassination.
@@mikeg2939 I stand corrected. Thanks. However, the fact that Connolly's entrance would was oblong means the bullet hit something before entering since it was tumbling. And clearly that bullet was fired from behind. And despite what many of the conspiracy books portray (I've read several), Connolly was sitting 6" to Kennedy's left and some inches lower, on a jump seat. Sorry for being overly verbose but there's so much to this. I'm rereading Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History" which is enormous but well-indexed to find topics or names easily... highly recommmended.
@@MrWolfmantim Copy ordered. To me, as an avid reader, a recommendation often becomes an obligation. My tally of JFK books is probably between 10 and 15, mostly pro conspiracy, a couple total fantasy but all raising many questions, some of which Reclaiming History will hopefully answer. My next book to read on the topic is A Cruel and Shocking Act, which I believe to be a critique of the Warren commission report. Although I lean towards a conspiracy I do accept that Oswald could have acted alone and was either a crack shot or just got lucky, but there was a lot of unusual events before, during and after the actual shooting that causes doubt. There is also the question that if it was just Oswald then why are documents still being withheld by the government, who is been protected if the assassin is long gone.
@@mikeg2939 Mike, I tip my hat to you, sincerely. It is so refreshing to have a civil dialogue out here with an open-minded person. I thought, for many years, that there had to be a conspiracy given all the strange coincidences (e.g. Ruby getting in to shoot Oswald). I think you will LOVE "Reclaiming History." Just the introduction (of 40 pages) is so well written and researched that it made Bugliosi's case well enough.
He actually did a great job with the slides. My only suggestion would be to spread all those quotes out over more slides so the font could be larger and more readable.
Posner's presentation is invaluable in that it shows his bias, over and over again. Whenever he has an opportunity to attack Oswald's character he takes it; he doesn't even pretend to present a balanced view of the man. Nor of the evidence. When discussing the single-bullet theory, for example, he claims the shot has been repeated "regularly", which is pure malarkey. As but another example, in support that the magic bullet really did pass through two men he claims that the nose was nicked on the front. The nick, as he should have known, being an expert and all, was created by the FBI for a test. The irony, of course, is that Posner attacks Oswald for, first showing anger, and later for being cool under pressure, even smug. Posner could have been looking in a mirror.
Pat Speer Posner is somebody. You are nobody. live with it.
And who are you? And why should anyone care what an anonymous troll has to say?
Pat Speer A "balanced" view of Oswald. LOL! OK.....he loved his kids. But not enough to not shoot JFK and send his ass to prison. Oh, and you are STILL nobody.
Pat Speer Funny how you kooks identify with the loser. What might that say about YOU?
***** Coming from an anonymous person using the name of a Nazi TV character played by a Jew, that's quite a compliment!
Michael T. Griffith has written an excellent reply to Posner's book entitled "Hasty Judgment: Why The JFK Case Is Not Closed." It answers the questions Posner didn't want to be confronted with at his presentation in Allen.
Does it say anything about Ruth Paine?
@@brendanbrown3100 Ruth Paine: takes in a young mother fleeing an abusive husband, tries to help them get back on their feet, and for that she gets to spend six decades listening to people opining she is an accessory to murder and treason with zero evidence...
@@aaronz7056 No good deed goes unpunished.
So Mr. Griffith wrote yet another book criticizing the clear conclusion. I bet he had no solid evidence and that he named no organization specifically as THE conspirators... So easy to make a living writing vague books, isn't it?
Is his conjecture? What is his motive for writing the book?
Posner presents a persuasive fiction. Unfortunately however that’s all it is, as the evidence against Oswald acting alone is not satisfactorily addressed.
- I think Posner glossed over the pristine bullet. Even the Warren Commission photographs comparing bullets that had been shot through cadavers and goats looked nothing like this bullet which traversed 15 layers of clothing, seven layers of skin, and approximately 15 inches of muscle tissue, struck a necktie knot, removed 4 inches of rib, and shattered a radius bone. The bullet then magically removed itself from the Governor’s thigh onto a gurney in the corridor at Parkland Memorial. I’m sorry for having a reasonable doubt.
- I don’t understand how Jackie Kennedy climbs on the back the limousine to retrieve part of the President’s detached skull. You would think she would have climbed on the bonnet? This was consistent with Bobby Hargis who was a motorcycle cop riding on the left hand side and behind the limousine being struck by brain matter and blood. Given the bullet had come from the back, the laws of physics appear to have temporarily reversed - which is of course absurd.
- The clincher for me is the eyewitness accounts of the Parkland hospital doctors, all of who’s testimony was ignored by the Warren Commission. Invariably all the doctors in Trauma Room One (Dr Paul Peters, Dr Richard Dulany, Dr Robert McClelland, Dr Pepper Jenkin, Dr Charles Crenshaw) noticed a 5 inch occipital exit wound in the President’s head. Dr Robert McClelland was very detailed in his observation stating that he could see the cerebellum (which is located in the back of the head). So many doctors couldn’t have got it wrong. So to suggest that these doctors were all wrong is tantamount to suggesting another wild conspiracy theory, this time amongst the Parkland medical staff.
I agree that there are many silly conspiracy theories which have done a lot of damage to the view that Oswald ‘probably’ didn’t act alone. I don’t know why it’s so important to prove how the assassination was perpetrated. It is much simpler to show that there was more than one shooter, everything else is just conjectural.
To point to Oswald’s bad character and guilt is a moot point as I don’t think any reasonable person thinks that Oswald was not involved in the assassination. I think he definitely was involved but let’s not use this as a straw man to detract from the real question of whether he acted alone.
The circumstantial evidence and particularly the handling of the affair after the assassination raise many red flags. Even the murder of Oswald by the mobster Rubenstein raises serious suspicions.
However as I stated earlier, for me the most convincing evidence is from the Parkland medical team. This evidence, which indicates at least a second shooter, cannot be ignored and in my view has received too little attention for my satisfaction.
2nd and 3rd shots were on top of each other. That alone destroys everything Posner says.
@@ryanwilliams6206 where’s the proof of that?
Nope you are wrong on everything. Give it a rest. Oswald alone. That is it.
@@davidgeisler9885 How about that government shill Julian Read who promotes the Oswald theory? Even he stated in a 2013 interview that the 2nd and 3rd shots were on top of each other. What a horseshit job the gov did on covering this up. The people they have promoting the Oswald theory can't even lie correctly 😂
@@Dyrwlf honestly governments can barely organise a christmas office raffle let alone keep this JFK conspiracy secret for 50 years. You give government departments too much credit.
Anyway, you can see in the film that the second and third shots are not "on top of each other". I asked for proof to the contrary and all you can give me is a "someone said".
Someone said the sky is red ... so?
So why did the Dallas doctors report entry points in the front?
The docs at Parkland were NOT trauma doctors. They had no experience with high powered rifle injuries.
Excuse my question. But your mental evaluation of Lee is very very thin. Can anyone form a treatment plan from the sketchy at best. And as far as him making the shots. He would have been shooting at a target that is moving away from him. But when you have the bullet hole in the windshield figured out call me please
Clearly a conspiracy. Does everybody forget that the 2nd and 3rd shot were on top of each other. That alone destroys the single gunman theory
In the Marines Oswald could consistently hit a 10 inch target from 200 yards 8 times out of 10. On the day of the assassination Oswald hit a 10 inch target from 88 yards one time out of three. I don't see the problem. Oh and there was no bullet hole in the windshield. If you can prove that then call me please.
When I was younger I believed in the conspiracy theories. But as I learned more about who Oswald was it became clear he acted alone. Posner deserves a lot credit for bringing out the facts of the case.
It became clear to you that he acted alone in killing the President of the United States. Okay. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Same here.
Someone explain to me how Kennedy's head goes backwards on the second shot. Your going to say Oswald did that also, as that only happens on a shot from the front, which means another shooter.
Not to mention the police officer to the back right of the president's car got hit with blood spray and brain matter.
Medical experts have said that when a nerve is stuck like that, in this case Kennedy's head, there's no telling which way a head will go, so "back and to the left" means nothing.
A nerve being struck cannot overcome the force generated by a bullet from a high powered rifle. If someone is standing in front of you and you shoot them in the forehead with a sniper rifle, everything is coming out the back and their head is jerking back from the force. It's physics, plain and simple.
I think he was hit with two bullets almost simultaneously, one from the rear and one from the front.
What grade did you get in high school physics? Care to name the school?
and its not 8 out of 10 at 200 yards.the targets vary from 50 yards out. you clearly never served
In the Marine Corps you shoot from 200 300 and 500 yards. 250 is a perfect score which few Marines do...
It's not the time required to fire three rounds that proves anything.
It's the fastest possible time between two shots that matters. Compare that to the shortest time between two shots in the Zapruder film.
The three shot test was just another aspect of the cover up.
The short time between the second and third rounds proves a second gun.
The delay between the first and second round is irrelevant.
Adding it into the test was an obvious con job from the beginning.
Wake up America!
Well said, Chris. Robert Groden stated that the first two shots took approximately 1.7 seconds. The best riflemen needed at least 2.3 seconds to fire two shots WITHOUT AIMING. Do not trust anyone who promotes Gerald Poser's books.
@@Dyrwlf
Well said... Yourself!
I only know that a three shot test equals cover up!
America must demand justice or justice never comes...
Nonsense. The second shot was fired somewhere between frames 207 and 222 of the Zapruder film. Let’s take 222 as the frame. We know that the head shot is at frame 313. At 18.3 frames per second, that’s 4.8 seconds.
@@Dyrwlf Nonsense. The second shot was fired somewhere between frames 207 and 222 of the Zapruder film. Let’s take 222 as the frame. We know that the head shot is at frame 313. At 18.3 frames per second, that’s 4.8 seconds.
@@robertromero8692
What we know is that the film was altered.
We also know that an expert marksman had trouble completing the three shot test with multiple tries.
We also know that Congress found there were multiple shooters that day.
You can count frames all day.
It won't change the conspiracy or the cover up.
Pretending we don't know these things only supports corruption.
Congratulations!
Just as he did his entire life Oswald acted alone. Just as he did his entire life Oswald continually lied.
Your a moron
@@ryanwilliams6206 Powerful rebuttal. And it's "YOU'RE a moron" professor.
@@scottcarroll9201 Rather it's, "You're a moron, professor".
I agree with Gerald Posner Oswald did and he acted alone
Are y'all serious Oswald was Mk Ultra and the CIA's patsy George Bush Sr had Kennedy killed y'all need to do your own research instead of being lazy and relying on everybody else to research then you come to their comments and make some bullshit ass comments like these than do it yourself
best way is to read both sides of the storys read the warren commison and all the other books and determine for yourself what happened on 11-22-63 a lot of people only stay to one side of the story before seeing all the evidence. however I think its crazy that they go to the extreme to try to discredit the other story that they use you were in a mental hospital or something is wrong with you. you really didn't see what you saw or you didn't hear what you thought or u were confused as of witch direction
Without ALL of the evidence, and evidence properly secured and handled, you could read anything and everything you wish and be completely wrong. Without key evidence, mostly JFK's brain, the arguments will continue and forever. Without that brain and a proper dissection at autopsy from MD's skilled in forensic pathology and gunshot wounds, the answer will be hidden forever.
Oswald's tragedies became ours. The USA never recovered from this horrible event. It's all been downhill since. I mean, empires fall anyway, but this is comparable to Commodus succeeding his father Marcus back in the Roman Empire. The general slide to obsolescence is inevitable. We're almost there now. Almost there.
I thought this was a presentation, not a comedy show.
What drove me away from the conspiracy theories was I could never rationalize why Oswald would kill Officer Tippet? An innocent man would never do that!
He didn't shoot him either.
@@1828tolstoy You’re some fucking moron ! You’re throwing the same statement on every comment with zero evidence or facts,get a life or do some basic research !!
@@shanet5604 he did his research! Probably watched the Oliver Stone film a dozen times!
@@CMC328 That’s spot on !!
FBI agent Cortland Cunningham couldn't match the bullets recovered from Tippit's body to Oswald's handgun.
I've always been surprised that the marines took someone on with schizoid features in their records. Maybe they didn't see that record. Today that is pretty much is a exclusionary diagnosis (at least in uk military).
I do feel sad that he didn't get the care he needed at a young age and his mother thinking she knew best.
felicity mcdowell
His mother was a self centered worthless piece of shit. The only thing she was concerned about was herself and finding another man to support her. She was garbage.
yeah, that's what you call a cover story, the man was pure military intel
@@AMC2283 LOL. Zero chance a man with schizoid features and a 112 IQ would be recruited for intelligence work. Try again.
@@scottcarroll9201 There are plenty of released documents showing links between Oswald and the FBI/CIA. You either haven't done any thorough research, or you're just stupid. You choose.
@@Dyrwlf Indeed I agree even if Oswald had concocted this plan on his own he was not some nobody loser with limited military experience. Even Johnson asks Hoover about Oswald's last Mexico embassy trip and Hoover makes a comment "that's the confusing thing." What was? Is Posner gonna so easily dismiss Ruby offing Oswald on live TV as yet another loser that need to prove himself? What about the actual real Miami police recording of James Milteer who "boastful claims" in Miami 2 weeks before Nov.22/63 make a stunning blueprint for what happened in Dallas ? What does Posner make of Kennedy family members making comments that there likely was a conspiracy? Why is Richards Helms of the CIA response to Mr. Belin in '75 on whether Oswald had been an agent of some kind (CIA/FBI and or ONI) still to this day redacted? If the Warren Commission got it right there should have been no need for the HSCA years later and information being censored and or locked up for several decades.
He was lone gunman ok… but I think part of a conspiracy. He was working with ppl of the “fair for play for Cuba” committee things of that nature, he could have been working for cia and not even know it… look at how fbi is working now, years later, nothing new. but we know now, too, the mayor of Dallas was a CIA operative, totally in charge of Kennedy’s itinerary and travel routes, and his brother fired, along with Allen Dulles, by Kennedy. Oswald could have been singled out, talked into killing walker and Kennedy, and not have a clue who was behind it, by the time he did figure it out he claimed he was a “patsy” which he was. After he did the dirty deed, then the mob, in control of ruby, stepped in and cleaned it up. Easy pezy. I believe the evidence supports this thesis.
THE ZAPRUDER FILM SHOWS CONCLUSIVELY THAT THE KILL SHOT CAME FROM IN FRONT OF JFK'S CAR!!
Clearly you know nothing about ballistics.
I was curious about this comment so I went back and watch the Zapruder film. If you watch the film in slow motion it looks to me that the driver turns around and takes a shot at JFK.
No ballistics were ever done on his gun
All bullets and fragments from both killings were firmly matched to Oswald's guns.
I am confused...the pistol that Oswald had on him in the Russian embassy, was confiscated by the embassy? If so, what pistol did Oswald retrieve after fleeing the scene of the crime? He shot the cop with another pistol? Or did Posner get it wrong at the Russian embassy?
@@aaronz7056 NO THEY WERE NOT DO THE RESEARCH and Oswald was not on that floor at the time of the shooting he was downstairs having his lunch with the other employees
@@curbozerboomer1773 When they got him in the movie theater he had a SW 38 revolver the cop was shot with a colt 45 model 1911
@@garyjohnson4458 "Do the research" where, at crackpot conspiracy sites? The only person to place Oswald downstairs during the shooting was Oswald and the people he claimed he was with flatly denied ever seeing him. This is even funnier than your first lie.
So Walker was the only target that Oswald ever missed?
TermsofService Yes, he was a world class assasin! Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! That's funny right there. Dont care who you are! LHO an assassin? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaa!
@TermsofService . No, I think a cop grabbed his revolver, preventing the cylinder from turning. That's what I read.
TermsofService Well, well, well! I don't ever recall calling Oswald a "Nobody." People like you have no idea what you are arguing. Just that you like to argue. You "Lone Nutters" are truly disturbed to think the W.C was a real investigation. Truly mind boggling. But, irregardless, there are way too many inconsistencies it the W.C. To make it believable. But, you go right on believing the nonsense. That's O.K.
@TermsofService One more thing. Talk about "a no brain like me," me thinks that if you want to start name calling, you lose! So go 🖕yourself!!!!! You are not worth the time or effort!!!!!
The bullet fired at Gen Walker wasn't from a 6.5 mannlicher carcano.
What Posner does not reveal is who the Paine's actually were:
Ruth Paine and her husband were both employed by Bell Helicopter
Bell Helicopter, with headquarters in Fort Worth, Texas, makes civil and military rotary-wing craft, including the commercial 206B JetRanger III, the AH-1W SuperCobra attack helicopter, and the OH-58D Kiowa Warrior armed reconnaissance helicopter. The company had a great financial interest in extending the Vietnam war. President Kennedy had issued NSAM 263, which provided for plans for the withdrawal of all US personnel by the end of 1965. This NSAM was the root of the military and intelligence community's decision to eliminate JFK
How many of the psychopaths pictured said they were just a patsy, or did they just say they didn't do it because that's what their lawyers told them to say?
There is NO evidence he was a psychopath.
How can you explain the magic bullet?
Kevin Healey He did explain it. And he said the shot has been recreated many times. No more mystery.
@@pomme4moi If you believe that, I got something for you.
I work for Amway and boy oh boy, have I ever got a deal for you.
Would you just think a little.
How can a bullet hit 6 different targets zig zagging all along the way and come out in pristine condition?
@@pomme4moi How can you possibly believe something like this.
First of all Kennedy was shot from the front, because the head went back and to the left.
Did they make some sort of test on that?
The magic bullet hit Kennedy in the (1) back at an angle of 17 °, and then goes upward, (2) enters out of his neck, the bullet waits 1.2 seconds in mid air, turns right and then left, goes into Connolly's body at the rear of his (3) right arm pit, turns downward at an angle of 27°, (4) shatters his fifth rib, goes out of his chest, turns right and reenters (5) Connolly's right wrist, shatters the radius bone, exits Connolly's (6) wrist, makes a U turn, buries itself into (7) Connolly's left thigh. The Bullet is later found in Parkland Hospital.
This is why it got the name, "The magic Bullet."
Then came the head shot.
This was all done in 5.6 seconds established by the Zapruder film.
The Oswald rifle was tested and found to be defective.
They took the best of best marksman in the country and only one could come anywhere close to what Oswald did on that day and even then, they never could never replicate what the magic bullet did that day.
90 seconds after Kennedy was shot, Patrolman Marien Baker ran up the stairs and saw Oswalt in the Cafeteria.
Supposedly Oswald shot Kennedy in 5.6 seconds, wiped the rifle clean, hid the rifle, sprints down 5 flights of stairs, passes Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles who never saw him, just in time to get to the cafeteria, just before Patrol Baker gets there. All this within 90 seconds of the shooting. Is he out of breath? According to Baker, absolutely not. Oswald does not go out the back exit of the building, he goes out the front door where the cops have gathered.
@@kevinhealey6540 It didn't zig zag. This is how Connally and Kennedy were ACTUALLY seated in the limo at the time of the second shot based on computer model recreations of the Zapruder film.
frankwarner.typepad.com/free_frank_warner/2011/05/kenned.html
Of course conspiracy theorists always use the diagram in their books of Connally seated DIRECTLY in front of, and at the same height as, Kennedy. In reality Connally was seated on a jump seat six inches inboard and lower than Kennedy.
@Jeff Carlin How can a bullet go through 7 targets (and that's all in flesh) and come out in pristine condition?
Theoretically impossible.
The bullet came from the front. His back went back and to the left.
Why would a night club owner who worked for the mob shoot Oswalt? (Press Read more)
In the three years after the murders of John F. Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald eighteen material witnesses died, 6 by gunfire, 3 by motor accidents, 2 by suicide, 1 by a cut throat, 1 by a karate chop to the neck, 3 by heart attacks, 2 from natural causes. An actuary engaged by the London Sunday Times concluded: On November 22, 1963, the odds of these witnesses being dead by Feb. 1967 are one hundred thousand trillion to one. (From the film, "Executive Action."
To be fair the most researched book on the JFK assassination is Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi, 21 years. 1986-2007
Yes it is. I love Bugliosi's books and have the utmost respect for him. While I would classify Bugliosi's book as the best on the assassination, I favor Posner over Bugliosi in talks and presentations about it like this.
No doubt about it , i have read it twice and will probably read it again . I have no problem debating the conspiracy kooks now , as a matter of fact I have two conspiracy kooks in my family and they don't even bring it up anymore.
Ric Rovey We have a troll here !!
Ric Rovey Poor confusing comeback ! Never a point talking to a CT ! The impressionable mentality and lack of intelligence make it a non starter !
Ric Rovey Another non contribution !! I’m Irish !! We make up our own mind !! 🇮🇪
Interesting, when Posner says at the beginning something like "Hey JFK, tell them to turn the car around, don't keep going", you can also tell Abe Lincoln, "Don't keep watching the play. Go home"
Well, yes. Abe, grab Mary Todd and leave.
The case will never be closed until we’ve seen all the (UNREDACTED) documents.
The more that comes out the more obvious it was Oswald alone. Especially since the fall of the U.S.S.R., everything the Russians say confirms it.
If God gave you the docs you would still be crying about this.
@@dks13827 we’ll never know, because the government will never let us have unrestricted access and you know that.
Lots of blame, no evidence. I want my 39 minutes 25 seconds back.
I read Posner's book many years ago, and it did much to turn around my conspiracy-centric view of the assassination.
In spite of Gerald Posner. There's something about the guy's presentation that I find almost repellant.
No evidence? Lol I guess you missed the slides with bullet trajectories and fingerprint diagrams. No surprise. Epistemological closure. Look it up.
seriously?
seriously ??
i might be more inclined
to believe (at least some of this) if he wasn’t so defensive & aggressive.
ps-not even one pic of marina
w bruises?
wow i could go on & on as i sure many have.
seriously!
I have seen interviews with all 5 doctors that worked on JFK when they transported him to Parkland hospital. They all said he had a gaping hole in the back of his head. Lee's bullets if he even shot at JFK, would not have made a gaping whole in the back of his head. He was shot from the front with bullet that exploded on impact. The doctor that performed the tracheotomy on him said there was a small entrance wound in the front of his throat that he expanded for the trache. Study the new evidence that has come out in the last couple of decades.
+Parry Owen
Give a rest. You can look at the Zapruder film and clearly see the shot did not come out the back of JFK's head. Oh wait they tampered with the film. Yadda yadda yadda.
You just said back of head was gone and then you say forehead is gone. Witnesses are not always credible.
You said the forehead was missing and witnesses say the back of head was gone so yes that is what you said.
Which is it? You can't have an entry wound the same size as the exit wound. The autopsy pics show JFK with both the back of his head face intact except for the damage done by the exit wound. So yes the witnesses were either mistaken or they lied.
+Michael Jackson Does it really matter? You believe your way and I will believe mine. Just drop it! I am tired of hearing it from you!
So you didnt say "Explain why in frames 333-5, JFK's forehead and face are gone and you can see Jackie in place of where his face should be." Sounds like you support the comment his face was gone otherwise why use that description? Again which one do you agree with? The witnesses or the film? Thats the whole point.
It cant be both.
As for one witness Marilyn Sitzman.
Witnesses said that black kid in Ferguson was shot in the back and yet medical evidence showed he wasnt. Witnesses are often unreliable evidence.
Anyway its been 50 years now. Dont you think in a conspiracy this large that someone would have talked by now? But there no credible evidence. Every conspiracy theory gets disproved and another one pops up. Give it a rest. Sometimes things are not that complicated.
There was no benefit for JFK'sdeath. Its the last thing Cuba or Russia would want. Mafia would not want to take the chance. We were already headed for Vietnam. JFK may not have escalated it like Johnson but it would have continued.
The only person that benefited from JFK's death was Oswald who got his 15 secs of fame. But believe what you want.
Gerald Posner fully accepts the Warren Commission's findings.
Yes Jean, Posner is a prevaricator and disinformant.
No he doesn't.He believes that shots were fired from the Knoll.....TF ?
@@cameronsmith8730 You are asserting that Posner thinks that shots were fired from the Knoll?
*Where did you get that idea from?*
By the reflexive vitriol that Posner and Bugliosi engender, they are on to something indeed. It is called reason, evidence, and intellect rather than emotion and self-interest.
It is called Character Assassination willful,ignorance, and denial, that's what Posner ,and Bugliosi,specialize in!
Ok 37.00 he has a smugness you say.. he is surrounded by cops .. cant move for cops .. Then he is assassinated.. funny that
37:00
And assassinated by another nobody !!
One bullet shot from behind hit JFK in the upper back. Autopsy said it penetrated no further than half of a pinkie finger. So, that is one bullet.
Thanks Winston
Yep, that hack of a shot just nailed it. Bang, bang, bang, one bullet travelling through JFK, barely getting damaged, slicing into Connally afterwards. Then with expert precision, (and split-second timing) BOOM! Another shot (by Oswald, of course) hits JFK in the back of the head, and, what? His brains spill out backwards? Now THAT is shooting skill!
That hack of a shot scored 212 on the USMC rifle range earning the title sharpshooter. Having qualified on a similar range as a Marine, I can attest that Oswald was a decent shot. Marines qualify from the 200, 300, and 500 yard lines without telescopic sites. All of Oswald's shots were within 100 yards and he had a 4X power telescopic site.
Watch the Zapruder film and check out the high contrast analysis the Itek Corp. did on frame 313. The explosion of the president's head is clearly forward and to the right indicating an exit wound from a shot from the rear. Furthermore, Zapruder himself testified that the right side of Kennedy's head exploded. If the shot came from the front (triple underpass) or side (grassy knoll) the wound would have exploded left and rear. That didn't happen.
Verifying the possibility of Oswald firing all three shots, multiple shooters got off three shots in under six seconds. It's worth noting that they only had a few minutes to familiarize themselves with C2766 (Oswald's rifle). According to his own wife, Oswald practiced dry-firing his rifle numerous times on their back porch. Therefore, it is reasonable that Oswald struck his target 2 of 3 times in 5-8 seconds.
redbastine I think it flies in the face of the destroyed evidence that clearly shows a rear of the skull exit wound. But everybody has their own opinion. (I never get testy with someone when they speak in a courteous manner, but I strongly disagree with the lone shooter theory).
TheMrktd1 Hooey. Oswald was as guilty of killing JFK as Osama bin Laden was of pulling off 9/11. The theory has been destroyed by mountains of evidence (even though mountains of evidence implicating others was destroyed) and the fact that anyone thinks otherwise is mind-boggling. He eviscerated nothing.
Sweet.
canadianroot Well lookie here---a 911 toofer douchebag. Who could have seen THAT coming? LOL!!!
canadianroot While you are at it, girly boy, do tell us how the ITEC Corp. got the enhanced film interpretation wrong. Use your words.
I have always been curious as to how much Posner was paid to write his book and who paid him. There are too many facts that fly in the face of the so-called "official version" of JFK's assassination as written by Posner.
Like what???
Back it up boy
Yes, please show us your proof that Posner, and everyone who does not buy into the endless contradictory conspiracy theories, are all paid shills for the CIA. And by the way, where the hell is my check?!
Senator Yarborough and Mayor Cabell's wife and others smelled gun smoke, which is hard to do when Oswald is 250 feet behind them and 60 feet in the air with the wind in his face, unless it came from the grassy knoll which was only 50 feet in front of them and 11 feet in elevation. Plus the 59 witnesses who said the shots came from the Grassy Knoll.
Also my questions: who paid him and how much to confirm their lies?
15 minutes into this and I've heard enough. Quote " Imm not kidding you about this" . Liars can't help admitting it. This really paints Oswald as the lone nut, but there's no mention of his links to the oni or cia. The link to Ruby. And many other facts now established, such as the second and third shooters. There's reason to believe 4 shooters, 2 shots from the front from different positions.
Yes, you stay in dreamland there, buddy.
Let's face it, if it were possible to resurect Oswald and he admitted he did it you'd still say "well he's CIA, he would say that wouldn't he". If you have concrete evidence as opposed to "reason to believe" then tell us what it is. Innuendo is not evidence. Maybe if you bothered to read Posner, Bugliosi, or the Warren Report you'd find your shadows might disappear.
Have a look at some conspiracies that are real and proven and I think you'll realize how incompetent they have been. Disaffected shooters are a daily aspect of everyday life in the USA.
What you're saying is that thousands of people collaborated in a complex plot, without a single one of them selling out for sixty years, is more likely than a social misfit shooting someone. Really? Do you read the news?
Great historical investigations! Well done.
I’ll be THRILLED if he can tell me how a shot from behind makes a giant, gaping exit wound in the back of the head
Exit wounds are always worse. JFK's head exploded from the rear to the side. He was also wearing a brace to support his back. That added to the type of wound caused by the bullet. Oswald killed JFK and J.D Tippit. As Posner said, Oswald was a sick puppy.
There was a small, round, entry wound in the back of JFK's head. The large exit hole was at the right of his head. Interestingly, the left side of his head was undamaged, which would be impossible if a bullet was fired from the grassy knoll (how can a bullet enter the right side and not go forward and damage the left side of the brain)? What is your source for gaping wound at the back of the head and how could that have been hidden from the hundreds of officials investigating the crime of the century?
@@TheMotz55 Your comment doesn't make any sense. An exit wound at the right occipital parietal had to have come from the front. *Lee Oswald didn't kill anybody on 11/22/1963.*
@@MrWolfmantim asks "What is your source for gaping wound at the back of the head and how could that have been hidden from the hundreds of officials investigating the crime of the century?"
*Every single doctor at Parkland Hospital described an exit wound at the right occipital parietal.*
@@williamwhitten7820 Dr. Marion Jenkins was one of the Parkland doctors who thought he saw damage to the rear of JFK’s head. However, Jenkins changed his mind after seeing autopsy photographs in 1988, saying that “the photos showed the President’s brain was crenelated from the trauma, and it resembled cerebellum, but it was not cerebellar tissue. I think it has thrown off a lot of people that saw it.” Charles Carrico was another Parkland doctor who thought he had seen cerebellum tissue. Carrico was asked if there was any possibility that the Parkland doctors were confused about the cerebellum (rear) being damaged.
“Oh, absolutely,” he immediately replied.
“Why?” He was asked.
“Looking at the shredded pieces of brain on the gurney, it looked like some of it had the characteristics of cerebellum, which kind of has a wavy surface. But because these brain pieces were shredded, this could easily have led to confusion as to whether it was all cerebrum-which has broader bands across the surface-or some cerebellum. “The president was lying on his back, so we couldn’t see the rear portion of his head. Consequently, what we did see appeared to be further back than it was since we were not viewing it in relation to his whole head. But really, none of us were looking closely at where the defect was and making mental notes. We were just trying to save his life.”
Another Parkland doctor, Charles Baxter, said that Kennedy “had such a bushy head of hair, and blood and all in it, you couldn’t tell what was wound versus dried blood or dangling tissue.”
Parkland doctor Robert Grossman, who said he was present in Trauma Room One during the effort to resuscitate the president, would later write that “the autopsy demonstrated that the cerebellum was intact and that the physicians, including myself, who had thought that they had observed cerebellar tissue must have mistaken macerated brain for cerebellar folia.”
Dr. Michael Baden, the chief forensic pathologist for the HSCA, has an excellent explanation for why the Parkland doctors were mistaken. “The head exit wound was not in the parietal-occipital area, as the Parkland doctors said. They were wrong. “That’s why we have autopsies, photographs, and X-rays to determine things like this. Since the thick growth of hair on Kennedy’s head hadn’t been shaved at Parkland, there’s no way for the doctors to have seen the margins of the wound in the skin of the scalp. All they saw was blood and brain tissue adhering to the hair. And that may have been mostly in the occipital area because he was lying on his back and gravity would push his hair, blood, and brain tissue backward, so many of them probably assumed the exit wound was in the back of the head. But clearly, from the autopsy X-rays and photographs and the observations of the autopsy surgeons, the exit wound and defect was not in the occipital area. There was no defect or wound to the rear of Kennedy’s head other than the entrance wound in the upper right part of his head.” Baden’s observation makes sense when you see the autopsy photos that clearly show that the president’s thick hair, drenched in blood, is all going in the direction of the rear-matted tufts of bloody hair literally extending way beyond the rear of his head.
It bears repeating that the autopsy report only mentioned damage to the cerebrum (front), not the cerebellum. The xrays CLEARLY show the exit wound at the right FRONT.
After watching just the first few minutes, it is obvious that Posner is looking in all the wrong places.
It doesn't matter what kind of childhood Oswald had or what doctors said about him.
He was being impersonated in both America and Mexico in the run-up to the assassination and even Hoover admitted he had been impersonated.
The man who went to the Cuban consulate did not look anything like him and spoke broken Russian whereas Oswald spoke it fluently.
There was at least one case of Oswald's being impersonated somewhere when it could be proven he was elsewhere.
A man who is acting alone and even - as Posner seems to make out - the prime mover, does not need to be impersonated; only a patsy does.
Oswald was sent to Russia as a fake defector and brought back; no-one has ever explained how he got the money to pay for his trip to Russia nor for his dates at an expensive nightclub in Japan, which so amazed his colleagues.
No-one has ever explained how he managed to get a job on the motorcade route five weeks before the route was published, nor why he would be preparing his assassination escape route during his alleged visit to Mexico, even before he knew he would be getting the job, let alone that it would be on the motorcade route.
Oswald's impersonation was part and parcel of his framing.
Please see:
THE IMPERSONATION OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD
and
KENNEDY ASSASSINATION: SIX SHOTS WERE FIRED
both of which are on RUclips
Oswald was sent as a fake defector? you've really fallen off the loony train. did he fake trying to end his life as well?
@@chestrockwell6807 I note that instead of dealing with the many points I made, you pick on one and make an abusive comment instead of offering a refutation of it.
Throughout his three years in the USSR, Oswald was ostensibly hopeless as a student of the Russian language, used miming to express himself to work colleagues, and was someone who knew no Russian when he arrived there.
A doctor at the hospital where Oswald was taken reported that it was obvious that although he said he didn't know Russian, and asked for a translator, he actually understood everything said in Russian.
George de Mohrenschildt said that Oswald was very fluent in Russian and actually preferred to speak Russian to English, and he was not the only person who mentioned Oswald's remarkable command of the Russian language.
Taken together with the fact that 'no-one has ever explained how he got the money to pay for his trip to Russia nor for his dates at an expensive nightclub in Japan, which so amazed his colleagues', it is obvious that Oswald was working for an intelligence agency.
Why don't you try making an intelligent response instead of resorting immediately to ridicule?
@@philipskalla4312 the fact you claim Oswald was a fake defector is a pretty good indication you are incapable of intelligent discussion. Please cite some hard evidence that says Oswald's defection which has been corroborated even by the KGB agent he spoke to was all part of some elaborate hoax.
@@chestrockwell6807 In your very first sentence, you resort to personal insult.
There is plenty of evidence that Oswald's defection was staged and that he had intelligence contacts and I have cited some of it.
There is other evidence, including his attempt to contact a former intelligence officer following his arrest.
I am familiar with the trick of demanding 'hard' evidence when everyone knows that the CIA is never going to admit that Oswald had a connection with it.
You have shown by both of your responses that if one of us is incapable of civil - let alone intelligent - discussion, it is you.
@@philipskalla4312 so then you don't have any actual evidence and your claims of a fake defection are nothing but wild speculation. glad we cleared that up! Asking you for evidence for your outlandish claims is a trick? lol this is getting hilarious. your vivid imagination is the only evidence you can produce. is this the only loony conspiracy theory you believe in? no way this is the only one.
when the narrator says,
Let me tell you...
I believed in a conspiracy until I read Posner's book. Unlike most conspiracy books that have lots of good theories with little to no facts, Posner's book lays out the evidence piece and piece and most reasonable people are convinced after hearing what he has to say.
So what did Gerald Poser's book say about the 2-dozen Parkland Hospital doctors/staff that are on record declaring they saw a gaping exit wound in the back of Kennedy's skull?
Exactly the opposite of what he says.
The evidence for conspiracy is overwhelming.
@@markrymanowski719 what does he say that isn't true?
@@franclin0 Posner states there was a shooter on the Knoll albeit hitting nothing.Two shooters equals CONSPIRACY.
@@cameronsmith8730 Nonsense. Show me where Posner stares such a thing.
That's a hell of a compliment by Malcolm Perry.
It is most difficult to believe Malcolm Perry actually said that, as he himself said the throat wound was one of entrance.
@@williamwhitten7820 So youre saying the man is lying. Perry said it could be either one reducate yourself on what he actually said.
@@randyharris3175 And yes, I do think that Perry changed his story under duress.
@@williamwhitten7820 Put it this way use to know another guy who talked like you Mark Lane just emphasized the Conspiacy aspect and disregarded the facts nobody gives a rats ass about yoor opinion.
@@randyharris3175 He said it well after the government put pressure on him to change his observations ..
I read that there were 2-6 Oswalds running around the country at one time.....
You read wrong.
@@randyharris3175 says who.....you ?
@@cameronsmith8730 Yep.
I read, that you suffer from oral flatulence!
@@curbozerboomer1773 LOL--well sometimes I do.
But listen to Jim Marrs and better yet, read Harvey and Lee by John Armstrong . Then you'll see what I mean.
how do you explain his last phone call to a former army intelligence officer in Durham N.C., hoover comments there were two Oswald's running around, and this was before the assassination. why would a rich aristocrat count like demorhenshield be hanging out with oswald with ties to George w. and no one can put him in that window or the undertaker who said some men came and took fingerprints while he laid dead. all the contradictions at the tippet shooting and the arrest at the theater. I mean I believe he was involved somehow but I don't believe he did the shooting. there were others involved.
Interesting that he spent all that time discussing how Oswald is the lone assassin and all, but then claimed that there was other shooters on grassy knoll and that the shots that came from the knoll all missed. Are we to believe that its just coincidence that assassins are on the grassy knoll and in the TSBD building shooting to kill at the same time are were not associated with each other. They always like to say there were only three shots fired. The 1st bullet missed all together hitting the curb and causing an injury to the face of a gentleman by the underpass, the second bullet when into the rear of Kennedy's neck and out his throat in the Connelly etc...(the magic bullet), then the last bullet was the fatal shot. The please explain how their is a clear bullet hole thru the front of the windshield, also how there is damage to the trim of the trim on the top of the windshield. And how brain and blood matter were blown onto the vehicles following the motorcade. In my opinion the fatal shot came from the front. And its no coincidence that there was multiple shooters that day.
He didn't say there was a GK shooter....he said that if there was one he missed everything in DP since no bullet was ever recovered.
To rdEE,,,,,to Mj,,,Plot method,To John,,,To Mark, yes E. Howard Hunt was in that role in the project they named the" Big event", as Architect. He was CIA,
Photo of him in Dallas exists., wearing earpiece as given to Dallas police.
Barrie,,,,To @truth:::::To Pete ,@alankoz5067
Yes, you got all your points correct!! Mac Wallace an
Frank Sturgis was a confirmed shooters at Kennedy too, as well as at least 8 others. Every main (5) shooter had an assigned backup shooter, as well there were signal men, spotters, fake badgemen., commander,
Tactician, Strategist, Architect w field
Crossfire setup, with a kill zone painted in yellow paint stripes on curb,
6 confessions an counting,
LBJ Accountant paid most shooters, 5 snipers who were firing from 5 different directions,
Jfk hit with 6 bullets totally, very complex plot.
Head Shots:: to Jfk, fatal, overlapping 2 shot from back, 2 shot from front, some silencers utilized, shot to front throat via windshield shot from front, Bullet stuck in throat of jfk until Bethesda, shot to back right shoulder , from back, bullet that fell out in limo.
also.. Motorcycle cop left recording open for audio,
Was spliced onto real non tampered Zapruder film, matches up exactly 💯 by Groden an others. For non-
Silenced shots,,,
Volley of 16 shots totally by multi-shooters, heard by Nellie Connolly...A lone shooter cannot generate a 16 plus shots volley w bolt
Action rifle in matter of seconds. Nor can Carcano
Fire frangible bullets within a Fuselage of shots. Signaled by 🌂. Man.
Project financed by big Oilmen, payouts by LBJ staff. N lawyer.
Many investigations squelched, for years, evidence tampered with, evidence hidden, coercion, witnesses killed. Rogue CIA playbookkkk, body switch with Tippit, you couldn't make this up,
Bogus autopsy, sad very,
Very Stolen brains.
Tape of military Chiefs secretly recorded them saying Kennedy was a marked man, after jfk left meeting..project corruption Event
ensued. Cover-up started immediately beforehand.
Anyone that would be fooled by this greasy lawyer should be ashamed.
No doubt! He's gotta be a CIA operative.
My thoughts is he’s just a greasy money grubber. He sees all these authors making money writing about different conspiracy theories (which I believe are all valid and based in fact) well this guy see a money making gimmick by going the exact opposite direction. By agreeing with the warren commission he makes him self a niche in the genre and guaranteeing himself a huge payday.
Reminds me of a used car salesman
@@joekochinski5591 No, if you read his book you can see the excellent investigative work he did tracking down Oswald's history from bully kid to punk assassin.
@@joekochinski5591
Really, what do you think would be a better plan for a ‘money grubber’? To write a book proving that the Warren Commission was correct or a book that finally proves a conspiracy existed?
Take your time…the short answer is; all of the money grabbers write books in the cottage industry of JFK conspiracy theory!
You’ve got your money grubbers mixed up. If you want to make money you tell people “here’s the secret both you and I know” not “this case was solved 50 years ago”!
Try reading a book or two.
The author does great job of showing Oswalds mental state and a motive for the assignation in the video. I have wonder why the shot wasn’t fired earlier down Houston street? One shot would of only been needed and no chance for a miss? The other thought from this officers point of view. When a shot is fired the Entery wound is small the exit is large? Which would led me to believe of more than one shooter.
I do believe Oswald was involved and killed officer to try to get away. The main reason this happened is because the FBI and Secret Service didn’t talk and share information that would’ve avoided this.
7.37 you left out the the david ferry bit ..he didn't just go into the marines..see the photo
I'm not an expert but it is a fact that Elvis loved fried bologna sandwiches but only liked fried banana and peanut butter sandwiches after they found that pristine bullet!?! That settled it for me.
Not pristine, dingbat.
Excellent presentation sir!
The lone nut, that is Gerald Posner!
Allan De Kretser I like that.
+Allan De Kretser, another major crime is the criminal damage done to posners face, how can you trust his judgment when he can have that done to his face.
Ric Rovey Jesus can you offer anything other than random dismissal ?? Troll !!
Oswald did beat Marina but she got him back by criticizing him about his sexual prowess in front of people.Seems Marina was pretty feisty.
She was also referred to by her SS agent protectors, as "Hot Pants"!
"Dry fire" is what you call "practicing with the bolt"
Posner is so wrong, it's nonsense. Complete nonsense.
You'd have to be completely Delusional; or in complete Denial to actually think and believe Oswald acted alone.
oswald was sitting in the movie theater. he was a patsy. LBJ hated JFK, he controlled all of Texas, had the most to gain. the shot came from the grassy knoll where there is a fence and parking lot.
And what service, exactly, did these accomplices provide?
A lot of facts are ignored and a lot of debunked facts are used. Just saying.
We’re all the notes from the interrogation
There were so many different shooters on the grassy knoll that a number system had to be used, just like in a deli. Oswald did it.
Prove that oswald did it and did it alone. You can't
@@ryanwilliams6206 Other than those shots fired by Oswald, there were no other bullets that hit Kennedy, Connally or the car. Despite extensive searches of the area, no other bullets, that may have missed the occupants or the car, were found. Given the complete lack of evidence of one or more other shooters, the burden to prove Oswald didn't act alone is on people who believe he didn't. The burden of proof is not on the people who believe Oswald acted alone because: 1) That conclusion has already been supported by the absence of evidence to the contrary. 2) In the absence of evidence to the contrary, it is illogical to ask for evidence that doesn't exist, especially given the massive amount of investigation in this case.
@@ryanwilliams6206 He just did you need to get an education and not from the internet
Yes I totally agree
@@paulrolf9011 Wasn't this lecture on the internet?
Before you judge Posner at face value, learn a little bit about his journalistic integrity:
In 2010, Posner was the chief investigative reporter at The Daily Beast. Following the revelation that a number of Posner's stories for the Beast contained portions plagiarized from articles in other publications, Posner resigned from the Beast According to Posner, the plagiarism was inadvertent and the result of the "compressed deadlines" of the Beast and confusing his assembled research with his own writing in the "master files" he assembled on each story. Allegations of plagiarism also surfaced concerning his book, Miami Babylon (October 2009). Posner said the Miami Babylon plagiarism occurred because of a new system of "trailing endnotes", because an individual he interviewed read one of the plagiarized sources and reiterated it during the interview, and because he mistook other people's writing for his own after scanning source documents into a computer database. The Miami New Times also found that Posner "seems to add, subtract, or misattribute quotes" and displayed a series of such "apparently altered or misattributed quotes". For all the examples shown, Posner cited a source article, where an examination of the source showed that the quote given in Posner's writing was either substantially altered (e.g., words added), never said by the subject, misattributed, or used out of context.
Gosh, that stuns me. Really disappointing to hear.
Gerald Posner claims in his book “Case Closed”, that the death of Dr. Mary Sherman is the result of a “common house fire” The autopsy photos are printed for everyone to view in the book “Dr. Mary’s Monkey” pages 381 - 383 by Edward Haslam... all that remained of the doctor’s right arm was about 3 inches of the proximal portion of the humerus bone...
Thank you for setting the record straight about Posner . Case Closed !
12.00 who issued the visa to return and what flight did he catch
Yeah, a visa for LHO with a US passport. What a joke, especially after he announced inside the embassy his desire to renounce his US citizenship.
@@albertopalma1663 He never filled out the paperwork to renounce his citizenship. You also can't declare bankruptcy by loudly declaring "I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!"
When he defected back to the US he was still a legal citizen and legally you cannot deny an American citizen right of return.
@@scottcarroll9201 I said he announced his desire to renounce his US citizenship inside the embassy. I never said he signed a document.
The embassy recorded what he verbally stated.
By the time he decided to fly back to the US, the embassy issued him a new passport, returned and was not debriefed at the airport like other passengers were when returning from the USSR. Doesn't this sound a little too odd? To me, it does.
@Alberto Palma umm... he was debriefed by the FBI when he go back to the states. This is the problem with you conspiracy nuts, you think if you just repeat something it becomes true, then all your nutjob buddies read it and think it’s true and repeat it. This is how you guys thrive, by ignorance and repetition. I think it’s time to give it up bud.
@@albertopalma1663 I bet you have never sought to debunk these claims on your own.
You have your Precious Conspiracy, and can use it to bludgeon people for your personal pleasure
Outstanding job and presentation............WOW
Maybe Oswald was so pissed that he was setup and framed by the very people he was working with and he realized his wife and daughter were in danger if he talked.
Maybe ?? Zero evidence or facts,you give a maybe ?? Lol !!
He worried about the safety of his wife... you mean the one he repeatedly beat black and blue? What a paradox.
Is that why, addressing the entire world on live TV, he made no attempt to beg protection for his family, basically making them untouchable, or make the slightest attempt to blurt out anything about a conspiracy endangering him, basically making *him* untouchable?