@@enjoyerofcake2123 Haha I would never blame Shannon for jinxing anything. The writing was on the wall by the time Couturier got benched. Tough luck on the top-tier team matchups in the schedule. Major pressure on Ersson. Drysdale and Seeler being out for so long. Abysmal power play. Torts Tortsing. All the ingredients for a good ol' Philly collapse.
This feels like a leafs choke, the media attention got big, torts started getting criticized, the locker room tension rose. And the wheels fell off an overperforming team.
@rpgeek22 I’ll tell you what happened, right around the trade deadline the Flyers suffered 3 injuries on their blue line from starting defenseman in Drysdale, Ristoulinen, Nick Seeler & then management traded out Shawn Walker to the Colorado Avalanche so in essence this team was down to 4 starters not being in the lineup coming down the stretch off the season and that weakness on the blue line then exposed our goalie situation and then from that point forward the confidence of this team collapsed in on itself.” ( BTW not going to lie but our putrid power play finally caught up to this team & drained any remaining confidence they had left!….Obviously this year playoffs is not our time but the future with this group is!
It's a hard pill to swallow to see the team do so well when not expected to, to just fall from grace. From what reports have said, Ersson before the Hart removal was fantastic. I don't want to blame everything on Hart, but I could see his abrupt departure sort of have the team not know what to do and are just left in the dark. Hard to see where we go from here.
I'd say Hart is done. Supposedly there were upwards of 12 guys to enter the room. The 5 who got charged were more than likely the ones who did their dirt on camera. I can't see them only bring in these 5 if they were certain of the outcome.
@daveharris4975 12 players? The 5 that got charged were on camera? Wow.... So those 5 players all know who else was there... Any chance more get charged due to being implicated by the other 5 in a plea deal? Appreciate you filling me in. Truly don't know all the details. As I hear very little given location and interest levels.
@@heathclark318@heathclark318 we'll probably never know the full details. The WJC team was talking about it in their now-lost group chat and at least one guy went into the room, saw what was happening, and left because he was uneasy. They all knew. So did the teams - Comtois was radioactive, Flyers tried to shop Hart over the summer without extending him, and part of that insane Tanner Jeannot trade cost was paying for someone to take Foote. At this point it's in legal system hell and these guys will probably have nice long KHL careers when all is done. It's ugly and sad and I try not think about how often this crap happens.
Subtract the best player off any team and it hurts, and Carter Hart was their best player. Ersson outplayed Hart at times early, but asking a rookie to carry them through 50+ games is a big ask. Trading Walker and immediately losing Seeler, Drysdale, and Risto left them thin on D and they couldn’t keep up. I’m happy with the progress and I love what Danny and Jonesy are building. Farabee and Atkinson are useless and they need more scoring. Hopefully Michkov comes over and one of the goalies steps up. I think they get in next year and are in the hunt in 25-26.
If they beat the crap teams they'd be comfortably in a playoff spot. Do you realize they lost to the Canadiens twice, the Blue Jackets twice, the Senators twice, and they lost to the Sharks and Ducks. If they win half of those games they're sitting pretty. The last 4 games against these garbage teams they've been outscored 24-7. They're going to get smoked the last 3 games.
As a Flyers fan I don’t know how I feel about the season. On one hand we held a playoff spot for what, 140 days? That’s fantastic for a rebuilding team. On the other hand it’s never easy to watch the wheels fall off the bus in real time. Honestly I just think this team is gassed. Between Tort’s style of hockey and the amount of young players who just weren’t ready for a whole 82 game season it’s a wonder it took them this long to fall off. I am optimistic for the Flyers. I agree with what Danny and Torts are doing. They proved it works this year, now it’s just a matter of finding and/or growing the talent to succeed.
Flyers lost their confidence and it snowballed out of control. I’m not that mad they’re gonna miss playoffs, but I am sick of living through historic Philly collapses (Flyers, Eagles, Phillies).
Collapses? 2017-18 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles have entered the chat . . . the last 2 Philadelphia Phillies teams were not "collapses" - they overachieved both seasons, reaching the World Series & NLCS. I'm born & raised in Philly & lifelong Philly sports fan, so I get being negative & pessimistic, but you need to check yourself Hoss. The only "collapse" recently was last season's Eagles. The Flyers overachieved this year.
@@mudman619 They weren’t some dark horse. They beat the Braves again and then 💩 the bed up 2-0 and 3-2 against Dbacks. That’s a choke job anyway you slice it
Coots benching, pathetic power play, losing Hart, blocking shots all season, overuse of Erson, losing defencemen …all of these have taken their toll. Also a long time Flyers fan here and all of us are beyond pissed and frustrated after how well we played a Before the trade deadline
plus you have to say they overperformed for Torts. Torts just wants to believe absolutely that this is a top team, and when the team play doesn't reflect that, I'm sure he is hard to deal with. I'm interested to see who they pick up this summer. If they don't do much, they have no one to blame but themselves if they just repeat this performance next year.
It’s discouraging in the short term knowing they most likely wont win these last 3 games and miss the playoffs, but in the long term with our drafting the future seems bright
I'm excited about the flyer's future and I want say this collapse pisses me off, but we were supposed to be a 26th ish place team back in October. We just REALLY overachieved and honestly a lot of the teams near us were struggling for most of the season. We capitalized on their struggles but unfortunately now we're struggling. I'll keep hoping as long as we're mathematically alive.
I'm looking at this season as a test. Briere, Torts and the players are working in a different style than the last couple years. Plus they played a better season that what was originally expected. High hopes for the future.
This is a hell of an encouraging season. The flyers showed that they are a team that wants to win, no matter how hard they're counted out, dismissed, looked down upon, etc. They ran out of steam, healthy players, w/e towards the end, but they made a hell of a statement getting here. This looks like a great, tough foundation on which to build a successful team going forward. Torts for Adams this year and more to come. Lets go Flyers!
As a flyers fan, right now this is really frustrating and hard to watch, but I kinda have to remind myself that we wouldn't even be in a position to be this frustrated and angry if they hadn't had a good season prior. I also think a lot of important guys took big steps this year, and that we're learning a lot about the rebuild that the Flyers are doing right now. I think in a couple weeks Flyers fans will be more rational and see the bright side of this season, but right now most people are just frustrated and angry.
I have all the faith in the world in the front office and I haven't been able to say that in a long time.They over-performed is 100% the right take. No fan in their right mind had them as a cup contender this year. The most optimistic would have had them at a 2nd round exit.
Despite this collapse, the bulk of the season was a great 1st official year of a rebuild. Even with the Cutter and Carter stuff they're still trending in the right direction. Along the Fedotov convo, something not spoken of too much is the networking they've done to repair their relations with Russian hockey.
Kind of crazy that it’s falling apart like this. Flyers were so scary earlier, no other team has owned the Canucks this season like Philly did. They looked so good. The thought that they wouldn’t make the playoffs with how they were to that point would be alien to me.
Long term, I think that Fedotov will turn out to be both a very good pick-up and a very good player for Philly (and I say this as a Red Wings fan). As Shannon mentions here, it's a hell of an adjustment to make, when you have to travel across to the USA, from an entirely different country and hockey culture (with all the language barrier, lifestyle, etc, changes that such a switch entails), and then find yourself thrust straight into the NHL playoffs race cauldron, without any type of AHL easing-in period beforehand. Hopefully, the Flyers will give this young guy an extension and another full season or so to see what he can really do in a more settled, less intense situation than Philly has been in recent weeks. Really hope that Fedotov does succeed in the end, as I think that he has shown tantalizing flashes of the BIG potential that he undoubtedly has, on occasions, since his arrival in North America. Good luck to him in his future efforts.
I think I'd be more optimistic about the Flyers future without Torts. We've seen this movie before with other teams, and there's a very real thought of "is this the peak under Torts?" His MO recently is overachieving with mid teams by playing defense and getting goaltending, and I don't know that it works without goaltending, and Tort's schtick tends to wear thin after a couple years
First nhl game I got to go too was last night in Montreal and not expecting much from the flyers i was still blown away watching the Canadians put in 7 before philly got one it was an embarrassing effort but being in my late 30's I was happy to be there and see them. But they could have atleast made it a close loss I was ready to leave at the second period but I stuck it out. Hoping for better results next year this seasons done for them if they are only showing up with this level of competitive spirit I want to cheer them on and defend them but that was aweful. Thanks for the video @thehockeyguy see you in two games for the 10 game losing streak
I am a huge flyers fan and even though this stretch of hockey has been heartbreaking I still will see this season as a success considering the expectations of the team this year. I am excited about the future for sure because I think we have the right leadership at the top
Overall this an encouraging year. They proved they can compete for the first 70 games. Torts did a great job. They need to upgrade some of the players...we know some guys won't be back. We'll see who they look out for in trades or free agent signings.
Can’t work this hard all season long; run a rookie goaltender into the ground and expect to have any gas left in the tank for a stretch run let alone a round or two in the playoffs. That said this team exceeded my expectations this year. If they miss the playoffs; which seems increasingly likely; I will be disappointed, but I won’t be mad. This was supposed to be a lottery pick team last summer.
The fact of the matter is, the recent 10 games are what we all expected to see this season. Torts got way more out of this team than they have talent on the ice. They won most games with solid goaltending and a full 60 minute effort. Both of those are gone at this point, whether it's fatigue, losing belief etc. Doesn't matter, end result is the same. It's a 4 line team of grinders without enough gamebreakers, shaky at times defense, and a rookie goalie that got burned out with no serviceable backup. Really all there is to it
As a panthers fan I was scared of seeing the flyers in the playoffs because they were one of the few teams who consistently beat us even in our hot streak. Now they probably won't even make it
As much as I feel that way, this is kind of what Yzerman told everyone to expect at the begining of the season. I bet he really hates that he was right.
- Losing Walker killed our transition game worse than we thought - Errson ran out of gas and lost his swagger - Captain situation took the air out of the room - Blue line injuries ruined the penalty kill and put more pressure on Errson - Torts too tough and calling everyone soft at the end of the season killed motivation - Power play complete disaster all year finally caught up to us + Lot of growth from Frost, Forester, Tippett + Sanheim and York stood up and are a quality defensive pair + Coots despite being overplayed got over his injury + TK ties season high goals scored + Getting first rounder for Walker
Always nice to see The Hockey Guy in the Orange & Black! Anyway, as a fan, I’d easily say that if these losses were sprinkled throughout the season and the team missed the playoffs it would be going over better with the fan base. We went into this season expecting to be one of the bottom teams. Everyone had written them off as a contender to win the draft lottery. Yet they’ve been sniffing around playoff positioning most of the season. The utter collapse into the most incompetent team in hockey is startling because all season they have played gritty, tough hockey, and fought to stay in most of their games even knowing they were outskilled by their opponents. There are very few blowout games. A lot of one or two goal losses - and yes, that “power” play looks like something from the mind of Stephen King it’s so horrifying, and it definitely cost them games. And the team was not at all prepared for losing Hart in the crease. Ersson did what he could, which wasn’t much. He just isn’t a #1 goalie right now. Maybe in the future, but he isn’t there now, and it was an unfortunate position for him to be in. And it didn’t help that the team in front of him wasn’t talented enough to give him some breathing room in games and secure more wins. The scrappy success of the previous months blinded people to just how weak and untalented a team this really is, and that there’s still a long way to go for this rebuild. And at the same time, seeing them faceplant so hard in the final month is frustrating because THEY did play so well for 70ish games.
The Flyers were a team that didn't have a lot of high end talent. But you take one of these (Carter Hart) mid season and it has to have an effect. The effect was a plummet in goaltending and defensive stats. I'm not saying it's the only reason the Flyers dropped out of a playoff spot, but it hurts a team.
I think it was really understated. I remember Hockey Guy thinking Errson would carry the torch just fine, but he was young and untested with such a heavy load. No other team lost as much as the Flyers did when the case came to the front.
@@enjoyerofcake2123 Yeah - you lose a couple depth players, you can find them elsewhere. You lose your starting goaltender - you might be in trouble. Sure, they could've gotten out and get a goalie, but for some future asset. My guess is they didn't want to give up a valuable asset.
@@GodIsAmazing33I don't think they did because I don't think they thought they would be fighting still for a playoff spot. Also, why give up a bunch of assets for a good goalie when you are supposed to be in a rebuild anyways.
I feel like the narrative around powerplays changes depending on the context. If it's Ovechkin scoring on the powerplay, the narrative is "but he only scores on the powerplay, it doesn't count", but when a team is losing games because they can't score on the powerplay, it's "this team needs to score more goals on powerplay". Like, which one is it then? Why don't Ovechkin's powerplay goals count, if teams need powerplay goals to succeed?
I'd say it's encouraging. Nobody expected the Flyers to be anywhere near a playoff spot before the season started, I figure they'd be fighting for a high draft pick chance. It was a nice surprise but they finally came down to earth. The future looks bright.
As a Flyers Fan.. this season will be looked at as both. on the one hand games were fun again, plus we were better then expected. on the other hand this total collapse is a reminder how many fans wanted a "tank" at the beginning of the season, to only get our hopes up right till the vary end. But prob good so we can keep the rebuild on track and we shouldn't have the higher ups saying we only need to retool (and some fans as well)
i’m definitely happy with this season, nobody expects the flyers to do anything, they proved everyone wrong. but to completely fall off at the worst possible moment is a complete gut punch, it really sucks watching this unfold as a diehard flyers fan.
Honestly I was encouraged up until the trade deadline , but this losing streak just takes all of us fans back to the Fletcher era… and gets us discouraged 😢
i'm a die hard flyer fan that wanted to tank. it was fun watching them win and play above their heads. and it was fun seeing guys like forester and brink do some things. and it was great to see poehling will be a perfect replacement for laughton when he is traded in the off season. what is sooooooo annoying is just missing and not getting thebest possible draft pick. i love torts, but he is the right coach at the wrong time. i wouldve wanted to see him hired next year or the year after because this is where he gets you. he can make a team w limited talent way better, but that ultimately accomplishes nothing. this team is so desperate for high end talent... especially after the gauthier trade and this season just made that more difficult to acquire. next year i wand NO vets. bye bye to staal, johnson, delauriers, risto if anyone would take him, atkinson , even trade TK. just play the kids and go through the process. i'd much rather lose w kids developing than vets just taking up space.
Not as much of a collapse more of a team running out of gas. They over achieved with a bunch of spare parts and rookies. Not to mention our starting goalie being forced to leave the team. Torts needs to be given a chance to see this whole rebuild through. I was at the win vs Boston before this losing streak started and we’ve seen what they are capable of. Hopefully they can build on next year. I was also at the loss to Chicago. They hit 5 posts.
I've been a Flyers fan ever since I knew what hockey was, around 1970. The one thing I could count on is the Flyers contending. Especially when Bernie came back. From 72-73 to 2011-12 the Flyers missed the playoffs 6 times. 6 times in 39 seasons, outstanding. Since then they've made the playoffs 4 times. 4 times in 12 seasons. This is the new culture with this franchise. The current ownership is not interested in winning. It shows at the games. The last few games I went to the building was less than full when once upon a time getting a Flyers ticket was next to impossible. They need to change the mindset. The 70's are over. They need to move on. The way they shit the bed with Gauthier goes to show this franchise isn't serious about winning. Until Comcrap sells the team, this is what they're going to get. As much as I rag on the Phillies, at least they try to win. This team doesn't.
As a lifelong Flyers fan of 40 years, the last decade of the team can be summed up in one word: Mediocre. We did the unthinkable this year. The fans were 100% on board with Briere to rebuild so they could stink this year. Instead they teased us with the playoffs for 65 games, collapsed, miss the playoffs, and now will draft #14? #15? We’ve done this for a decade as every high end talent never pans out. We draft Nolan Patrick #2 overall, doesn’t pan out. We draft Cutter Gauthier #5 overall, he gets traded because he doesn’t want to play for us. We draft Michkov this year and we won’t know for 2 more years when he’s eligible to come to the NHL. Other first round picks: Farabee, Frost, Konecny, Sanheim had been the nucleus for the past 5 years = mediocre teams. The Flyers lack high end talent because they miss or get unlucky with so many 1st round picks for a decade now, it’s literally Groundhog Day.
Lots to consider. Carter Hart, overall depth, injuries to key players, Walker being traded & bringing in Erik Johnson, Tortorella (the good & maybe not so good). There was a lot of AHL players in the lineup that were just not good enough (understandable).
As a flyer fan we were encouraged early by the results we were getting from a majority of the young players. Now after the collapse it’s hard to know what we actually have to bring into the future
Not a flyer fan, but I would be optimistic. Most rookies and young players struggle after the 60 game mark because they have never played an 82 game schedule before. Plus Torts style of hockey isn't easy on the body. If they did this well this early, they should be that much better for it. Plus, the learning of fighting for a playoff spot won't hurt either.
@@GreggThorpe sorry but for a team who lost their starting goalie, and had 3 of their best defensemen out for a significant amount of time, they did good. Not shabby for a team just about everyone picked to be a lottery team.
I think Fedotov got NHL ice because Kolosov was only going to be eligible for the AHL, while Fedotov COULD play NHL. And Briere did draft two goalies last summer. They didn't think they'd see either Russian, so it was just getting ahead of the Hart thing if it blew up. It blew up. I feel bad for the players that earned that playoff spot a few weeks ago, and the team just couldn't hold it. Atkinson disappearing really hurt the team. Couts obviously tired, and just isn't making plays. Konecny looks really hurt but drags himself out there. Seeler got hurt right at the wrong time to maybe transition through not having Walker anymore after the deadline. Deslaurier adds nothing. Staal, bad. Johnson is trying, but needs to retire. Too many injuries for too many years. And yes, this is a discouraging season because they showed what was possible, but demonstrated they are missing like 12 players vs competitive teams. This isn't a two guy fix. I do applaud them for trying so hard. I hope we can have one or two more wins by the end of the season to wash a little of this last couple weeks out of our mouth. Leave on a better note, go rest and get healthy, and see what the Briere/Jones/Torts plan is for the offseason/draft.
As a diehard, and rather upset, flyers fan, I'd say discouraging. We were supposed to suck, get a good pick, trade our assets, and be better in 3 years when michkov arrives. Because we played well, we ended up not trading much at the deadline, and we're not gonna get a good pick now. It feels like we lost a year in the rebuild with nothing to show for it. (And no playoffs)
Maybe this will lead Torts back to the booth, where I think he does his best work. I was surprised that he took the Philly job, seems like a sweet deal doing commentary as compared to coaching.
Tortorella is not the problem. He's doing what he was brought in to do. Hart situation put this team and the organization in a very difficult spot. Ersson is a good goalie, but he's not a starter yet. He was in the position he was supposed to be in until Hart happened. He's in over his head, but I'm my opinion handled it above what most would've given him. The PP is horrendous and a momentum killer. I wish they could decline the PP😂. The PK is very good and is a strong point on this team.
the Flyers don't have another gear to find in the last quarter of the season. Other teams know that this is when you should be your best and the Flyers picked the first half of the season to be their best.
Anybody who thinks it's tough being a fan of their respective team, as a lifelong Flyers fan who isn't old enough to have seen the two cups in the seventies, I can say for sure that this fanbase (since then) is one of the most tortured in all of hockey. They will miss by 1-3 points this season, and it's going to be a long and very sad offseason waiting to see if they can even get close to the playoffs next year. I love the team, but the truth is it really sucks being a Flyers fan.
Not a pens fan but on the other end of the spectrum just gotta love their story with Crosby fueling their huge turnaround late in the season. Crosby Def needs MVP consideration if they sneak in the playoffs
If they just won like 2 of the last 8 games they’d be fine because the other teams fighting in the east don’t really seem to be surging into a spot. 4 points would have been huge . Winning 4 of the last 8 would have nearly guaranteed it
You would think as a long time Rangers fan (over 50 yrs) I would hate Philly but I love Torts and was rooting for them to make the playoffs. What happened?
Lost their starting goalie, so had to throw a rookie back up to the wolves. Traded away one defenseman and 3 others hurt for long stretches, and didn't have the depth to deal with it over the season. TLDR: they were a 1st time marathon runner whose legs gave out at the 25 mile mark.
This team overachieved all year. When the games actually meant something they folded like origami. (Took that from another podcast) What worries me the most is that no one is playing well which shows me how low of a talent pool we actually have. This team needs a legitimate star to lead them. Someone who sticks out no matter how bad they are. Hopefully that Russian kid is the answer but who knows if he ever plays for them.
Benching Couturier and not being entirely transparent about why was a questionable move to say the least. Yes they did over-perform in the first half, but a collapse of this type signifies larger issues. Could be tension in the locker room among the players, could be Torts’ coaching style. All in all I think this team is average at best and will finish right around where I think they belonged all along.
"Does it suck.....yup" never gets old!
I also enjoy "I checked, that's good."
Oh no! We suck again!
As a Flyers fan, I was both eagerly and worriedly awaiting this video
Doesn't his videos have a jinx effect to it? If anything I would've hoped he made his Flyers video sooner.
@@enjoyerofcake2123 Haha I would never blame Shannon for jinxing anything. The writing was on the wall by the time Couturier got benched. Tough luck on the top-tier team matchups in the schedule. Major pressure on Ersson. Drysdale and Seeler being out for so long. Abysmal power play. Torts Tortsing. All the ingredients for a good ol' Philly collapse.
This feels like a leafs choke, the media attention got big, torts started getting criticized, the locker room tension rose. And the wheels fell off an overperforming team.
@rpgeek22 I’ll tell you what happened, right around the trade deadline the Flyers suffered 3 injuries on their blue line from starting defenseman in Drysdale, Ristoulinen, Nick Seeler & then management traded out Shawn Walker to the Colorado Avalanche so in essence this team was down to 4 starters not being in the lineup coming down the stretch off the season and that weakness on the blue line then exposed our goalie situation and then from that point forward the confidence of this team collapsed in on itself.” ( BTW not going to lie but our putrid power play finally caught up to this team & drained any remaining confidence they had left!….Obviously this year playoffs is not our time but the future with this group is!
When have the Leafs choked and missed the playoffs?
@@CD-bz9on the year they blew up in January and fired their coach. Polly a decade ago
@@jimwu8532 they were already committed to rebuilding after the playoff collapse
Always comes back to the leafs, rent free
This seems to be the season of extreme over and under performance.
It's a hard pill to swallow to see the team do so well when not expected to, to just fall from grace. From what reports have said, Ersson before the Hart removal was fantastic. I don't want to blame everything on Hart, but I could see his abrupt departure sort of have the team not know what to do and are just left in the dark. Hard to see where we go from here.
Is there any news about the Hart situation? Or is a forgone conclusion he's done in the NHL?
I'd say Hart is done. Supposedly there were upwards of 12 guys to enter the room. The 5 who got charged were more than likely the ones who did their dirt on camera. I can't see them only bring in these 5 if they were certain of the outcome.
@daveharris4975 12 players? The 5 that got charged were on camera? Wow.... So those 5 players all know who else was there... Any chance more get charged due to being implicated by the other 5 in a plea deal?
Appreciate you filling me in. Truly don't know all the details. As I hear very little given location and interest levels.
@@heathclark318@heathclark318 we'll probably never know the full details. The WJC team was talking about it in their now-lost group chat and at least one guy went into the room, saw what was happening, and left because he was uneasy. They all knew. So did the teams - Comtois was radioactive, Flyers tried to shop Hart over the summer without extending him, and part of that insane Tanner Jeannot trade cost was paying for someone to take Foote. At this point it's in legal system hell and these guys will probably have nice long KHL careers when all is done. It's ugly and sad and I try not think about how often this crap happens.
Regardless of the goalie situation this team can't score goals.
Carter Hart is what happened
Exactly.
The Culture is actually damn good
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I’m calling both games!
You blew it! You really blew it!
No, it's not.
@@Rockhound6165 Yeah almost like thats the joke
Subtract the best player off any team and it hurts, and Carter Hart was their best player. Ersson outplayed Hart at times early, but asking a rookie to carry them through 50+ games is a big ask. Trading Walker and immediately losing Seeler, Drysdale, and Risto left them thin on D and they couldn’t keep up. I’m happy with the progress and I love what Danny and Jonesy are building. Farabee and Atkinson are useless and they need more scoring. Hopefully Michkov comes over and one of the goalies steps up. I think they get in next year and are in the hunt in 25-26.
This is exactly what happened to the 2015-16 Habs when Price got injured. Condon got overplayed and the defense (ie Subban) got exposed.
Carter Hart doesn't score goals.
@@Rockhound6165 Neither does anyone else on this team. Giving up 2.5 a game keeps them competitive. Giving up 3+ doesn’t.
They overused Ersson because Petersen & Sandstorm suck. But if they had a league average PP they’d be comfortably in a playoff spot.
If they beat the crap teams they'd be comfortably in a playoff spot. Do you realize they lost to the Canadiens twice, the Blue Jackets twice, the Senators twice, and they lost to the Sharks and Ducks. If they win half of those games they're sitting pretty. The last 4 games against these garbage teams they've been outscored 24-7. They're going to get smoked the last 3 games.
This is basically the habs from 2016-2020. Glad we finally started a proper rebuild.
I am a Flyers fan who watched every game this season. This is a very knowledgeable review
Shannon’s a very knowledgeable guy.
proud of Torts and the team, future is bright , they should hold there heads up,, GGOOD JOB FLYERS
As a Flyers fan I don’t know how I feel about the season. On one hand we held a playoff spot for what, 140 days? That’s fantastic for a rebuilding team. On the other hand it’s never easy to watch the wheels fall off the bus in real time.
Honestly I just think this team is gassed. Between Tort’s style of hockey and the amount of young players who just weren’t ready for a whole 82 game season it’s a wonder it took them this long to fall off.
I am optimistic for the Flyers. I agree with what Danny and Torts are doing. They proved it works this year, now it’s just a matter of finding and/or growing the talent to succeed.
Simply put, the Flyers are just running out of gas towards the end of the season
Philly could really use a veteran in net, even if it's a Quick or Halak-type.
maybe go after a guy like Ullmark or Vejmelka
The way they absolutely capitulated against a last place Montréal team was nothing short of amazing.
capitulated...as in skg badly?
"Rocket on a launchpad facing the ground" 😂
God the pain that ensues me when I look at the board. Hopefully we do it better next season.
Flyers lost their confidence and it snowballed out of control. I’m not that mad they’re gonna miss playoffs, but I am sick of living through historic Philly collapses (Flyers, Eagles, Phillies).
Collapses? 2017-18 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles have entered the chat . . . the last 2 Philadelphia Phillies teams were not "collapses" - they overachieved both seasons, reaching the World Series & NLCS. I'm born & raised in Philly & lifelong Philly sports fan, so I get being negative & pessimistic, but you need to check yourself Hoss. The only "collapse" recently was last season's Eagles. The Flyers overachieved this year.
@@mudman619 You don’t consider losing games 6 and 7 at home against the Dbacks a collapse? I do…
@@andrewptob No, lol. No one expected the Phillies to even make the NLCS. bro, you suffer from some serious recency bias.
@@mudman619 They weren’t some dark horse. They beat the Braves again and then 💩 the bed up 2-0 and 3-2 against Dbacks. That’s a choke job anyway you slice it
@@andrewptob agree to disagree. They upset the Braves (again). Feel bad for you if this is your worldview. Have a good one!
In their defense they were over performing
Coots benching, pathetic power play, losing Hart, blocking shots all season, overuse of Erson, losing defencemen …all of these have taken their toll. Also a long time Flyers fan here and all of us are beyond pissed and frustrated after how well we played a
Before the trade deadline
plus you have to say they overperformed for Torts. Torts just wants to believe absolutely that this is a top team, and when the team play doesn't reflect that, I'm sure he is hard to deal with. I'm interested to see who they pick up this summer. If they don't do much, they have no one to blame but themselves if they just repeat this performance next year.
It’s discouraging in the short term knowing they most likely wont win these last 3 games and miss the playoffs, but in the long term with our drafting the future seems bright
0:48 *insert opposing team name here*
As a Sabres fan I fully expected this to be the Sabres video he said he might make. Had me in the first half.
I'm excited about the flyer's future and I want say this collapse pisses me off, but we were supposed to be a 26th ish place team back in October. We just REALLY overachieved and honestly a lot of the teams near us were struggling for most of the season. We capitalized on their struggles but unfortunately now we're struggling. I'll keep hoping as long as we're mathematically alive.
I'm looking at this season as a test. Briere, Torts and the players are working in a different style than the last couple years. Plus they played a better season that what was originally expected. High hopes for the future.
This is a hell of an encouraging season. The flyers showed that they are a team that wants to win, no matter how hard they're counted out, dismissed, looked down upon, etc. They ran out of steam, healthy players, w/e towards the end, but they made a hell of a statement getting here. This looks like a great, tough foundation on which to build a successful team going forward. Torts for Adams this year and more to come. Lets go Flyers!
As a flyers fan, right now this is really frustrating and hard to watch, but I kinda have to remind myself that we wouldn't even be in a position to be this frustrated and angry if they hadn't had a good season prior. I also think a lot of important guys took big steps this year, and that we're learning a lot about the rebuild that the Flyers are doing right now. I think in a couple weeks Flyers fans will be more rational and see the bright side of this season, but right now most people are just frustrated and angry.
I have all the faith in the world in the front office and I haven't been able to say that in a long time.They over-performed is 100% the right take. No fan in their right mind had them as a cup contender this year. The most optimistic would have had them at a 2nd round exit.
Great video Shannon😊
Despite this collapse, the bulk of the season was a great 1st official year of a rebuild. Even with the Cutter and Carter stuff they're still trending in the right direction. Along the Fedotov convo, something not spoken of too much is the networking they've done to repair their relations with Russian hockey.
I agree with the Russian aspect.
Kind of crazy that it’s falling apart like this. Flyers were so scary earlier, no other team has owned the Canucks this season like Philly did. They looked so good.
The thought that they wouldn’t make the playoffs with how they were to that point would be alien to me.
Long term, I think that Fedotov will turn out to be both a very good pick-up and a very good player for Philly (and I say this as a Red Wings fan).
As Shannon mentions here, it's a hell of an adjustment to make, when you have to travel across to the USA, from an entirely different country and hockey culture (with all the language barrier, lifestyle, etc, changes that such a switch entails), and then find yourself thrust straight into the NHL playoffs race cauldron, without any type of AHL easing-in period beforehand.
Hopefully, the Flyers will give this young guy an extension and another full season or so to see what he can really do in a more settled, less intense situation than Philly has been in recent weeks.
Really hope that Fedotov does succeed in the end, as I think that he has shown tantalizing flashes of the BIG potential that he undoubtedly has, on occasions, since his arrival in North America. Good luck to him in his future efforts.
Thanks from Flyer fans for this break down… we just collapsed in epic style
I think I'd be more optimistic about the Flyers future without Torts. We've seen this movie before with other teams, and there's a very real thought of "is this the peak under Torts?" His MO recently is overachieving with mid teams by playing defense and getting goaltending, and I don't know that it works without goaltending, and Tort's schtick tends to wear thin after a couple years
First nhl game I got to go too was last night in Montreal and not expecting much from the flyers i was still blown away watching the Canadians put in 7 before philly got one it was an embarrassing effort but being in my late 30's I was happy to be there and see them. But they could have atleast made it a close loss I was ready to leave at the second period but I stuck it out. Hoping for better results next year this seasons done for them if they are only showing up with this level of competitive spirit I want to cheer them on and defend them but that was aweful. Thanks for the video @thehockeyguy see you in two games for the 10 game losing streak
Man did they perform a soul bind with the Eagles?
Remember, Philly's the City of Brotherly Love so the answer is yes.
I am a huge flyers fan and even though this stretch of hockey has been heartbreaking I still will see this season as a success considering the expectations of the team this year. I am excited about the future for sure because I think we have the right leadership at the top
would love to see a similar video on the avs goalie implosion going on
Overall this an encouraging year. They proved they can compete for the first 70 games. Torts did a great job. They need to upgrade some of the players...we know some guys won't be back. We'll see who they look out for in trades or free agent signings.
Can’t work this hard all season long; run a rookie goaltender into the ground and expect to have any gas left in the tank for a stretch run let alone a round or two in the playoffs. That said this team exceeded my expectations this year. If they miss the playoffs; which seems increasingly likely; I will be disappointed, but I won’t be mad. This was supposed to be a lottery pick team last summer.
Wonderful Flyers revitalized as an NHL iconic presence. Fighting comes in lots of different contexts. Better times came this season. ✅
The fact of the matter is, the recent 10 games are what we all expected to see this season. Torts got way more out of this team than they have talent on the ice. They won most games with solid goaltending and a full 60 minute effort. Both of those are gone at this point, whether it's fatigue, losing belief etc. Doesn't matter, end result is the same. It's a 4 line team of grinders without enough gamebreakers, shaky at times defense, and a rookie goalie that got burned out with no serviceable backup. Really all there is to it
They did way better than I thought they would this season!
As a panthers fan I was scared of seeing the flyers in the playoffs because they were one of the few teams who consistently beat us even in our hot streak. Now they probably won't even make it
Red Wings are gonna need a similar video.
As much as I feel that way, this is kind of what Yzerman told everyone to expect at the begining of the season. I bet he really hates that he was right.
Let's see what happens at Pittsburg before making that video.
- Losing Walker killed our transition game worse than we thought
- Errson ran out of gas and lost his swagger
- Captain situation took the air out of the room
- Blue line injuries ruined the penalty kill and put more pressure on Errson
- Torts too tough and calling everyone soft at the end of the season killed motivation
- Power play complete disaster all year finally caught up to us
+ Lot of growth from Frost, Forester, Tippett
+ Sanheim and York stood up and are a quality defensive pair
+ Coots despite being overplayed got over his injury
+ TK ties season high goals scored
+ Getting first rounder for Walker
Worse they traded Walker for nothing.
@@Rockhound6165 nah they got a first round which is great. No one went for a first at trade deadline. Even Toffoli only got a 2nd and a 3rd
This hurts as a lifelong Flyers fan but I’m use to it.
Always nice to see The Hockey Guy in the Orange & Black! Anyway, as a fan, I’d easily say that if these losses were sprinkled throughout the season and the team missed the playoffs it would be going over better with the fan base. We went into this season expecting to be one of the bottom teams. Everyone had written them off as a contender to win the draft lottery. Yet they’ve been sniffing around playoff positioning most of the season. The utter collapse into the most incompetent team in hockey is startling because all season they have played gritty, tough hockey, and fought to stay in most of their games even knowing they were outskilled by their opponents. There are very few blowout games. A lot of one or two goal losses - and yes, that “power” play looks like something from the mind of Stephen King it’s so horrifying, and it definitely cost them games. And the team was not at all prepared for losing Hart in the crease. Ersson did what he could, which wasn’t much. He just isn’t a #1 goalie right now. Maybe in the future, but he isn’t there now, and it was an unfortunate position for him to be in. And it didn’t help that the team in front of him wasn’t talented enough to give him some breathing room in games and secure more wins. The scrappy success of the previous months blinded people to just how weak and untalented a team this really is, and that there’s still a long way to go for this rebuild. And at the same time, seeing them faceplant so hard in the final month is frustrating because THEY did play so well for 70ish games.
The Flyers were a team that didn't have a lot of high end talent. But you take one of these (Carter Hart) mid season and it has to have an effect. The effect was a plummet in goaltending and defensive stats. I'm not saying it's the only reason the Flyers dropped out of a playoff spot, but it hurts a team.
I think it was really understated. I remember Hockey Guy thinking Errson would carry the torch just fine, but he was young and untested with such a heavy load.
No other team lost as much as the Flyers did when the case came to the front.
@@enjoyerofcake2123 Yeah - you lose a couple depth players, you can find them elsewhere. You lose your starting goaltender - you might be in trouble.
Sure, they could've gotten out and get a goalie, but for some future asset. My guess is they didn't want to give up a valuable asset.
@@GodIsAmazing33I don't think they did because I don't think they thought they would be fighting still for a playoff spot. Also, why give up a bunch of assets for a good goalie when you are supposed to be in a rebuild anyways.
I feel like the narrative around powerplays changes depending on the context. If it's Ovechkin scoring on the powerplay, the narrative is "but he only scores on the powerplay, it doesn't count", but when a team is losing games because they can't score on the powerplay, it's "this team needs to score more goals on powerplay". Like, which one is it then? Why don't Ovechkin's powerplay goals count, if teams need powerplay goals to succeed?
People who criticize any high-scoring player for their power play minutes are the ones who are wrong.
Lately the power play has been so deflating it is creating a huge momentum swing in favor of the opposition
I'm not really surprised. We've had years like this before...
I'd say it's encouraging. Nobody expected the Flyers to be anywhere near a playoff spot before the season started, I figure they'd be fighting for a high draft pick chance. It was a nice surprise but they finally came down to earth.
The future looks bright.
As a Flyers Fan.. this season will be looked at as both. on the one hand games were fun again, plus we were better then expected. on the other hand this total collapse is a reminder how many fans wanted a "tank" at the beginning of the season, to only get our hopes up right till the vary end. But prob good so we can keep the rebuild on track and we shouldn't have the higher ups saying we only need to retool (and some fans as well)
i’m definitely happy with this season, nobody expects the flyers to do anything, they proved everyone wrong. but to completely fall off at the worst possible moment is a complete gut punch, it really sucks watching this unfold as a diehard flyers fan.
As a pens fan, seeing the Flyers play this bad has easily been the best thing this season
Honestly I was encouraged up until the trade deadline , but this losing streak just takes all of us fans back to the Fletcher era… and gets us discouraged 😢
i'm a die hard flyer fan that wanted to tank. it was fun watching them win and play above their heads. and it was fun seeing guys like forester and brink do some things. and it was great to see poehling will be a perfect replacement for laughton when he is traded in the off season. what is sooooooo annoying is just missing and not getting thebest possible draft pick. i love torts, but he is the right coach at the wrong time. i wouldve wanted to see him hired next year or the year after because this is where he gets you. he can make a team w limited talent way better, but that ultimately accomplishes nothing. this team is so desperate for high end talent... especially after the gauthier trade and this season just made that more difficult to acquire. next year i wand NO vets. bye bye to staal, johnson, delauriers, risto if anyone would take him, atkinson , even trade TK. just play the kids and go through the process. i'd much rather lose w kids developing than vets just taking up space.
It’s been a sad ending to the season ☹️
they channeled their inner eagles
Not as much of a collapse more of a team running out of gas. They over achieved with a bunch of spare parts and rookies. Not to mention our starting goalie being forced to leave the team. Torts needs to be given a chance to see this whole rebuild through. I was at the win vs Boston before this losing streak started and we’ve seen what they are capable of. Hopefully they can build on next year. I was also at the loss to Chicago. They hit 5 posts.
....and as a lifelong Philadelphia sports fan, I see this season as "typical" for one of my teams....
I've been a Flyers fan ever since I knew what hockey was, around 1970. The one thing I could count on is the Flyers contending. Especially when Bernie came back. From 72-73 to 2011-12 the Flyers missed the playoffs 6 times. 6 times in 39 seasons, outstanding. Since then they've made the playoffs 4 times. 4 times in 12 seasons. This is the new culture with this franchise. The current ownership is not interested in winning. It shows at the games. The last few games I went to the building was less than full when once upon a time getting a Flyers ticket was next to impossible. They need to change the mindset. The 70's are over. They need to move on. The way they shit the bed with Gauthier goes to show this franchise isn't serious about winning. Until Comcrap sells the team, this is what they're going to get. As much as I rag on the Phillies, at least they try to win. This team doesn't.
As a lifelong Flyers fan of 40 years, the last decade of the team can be summed up in one word: Mediocre.
We did the unthinkable this year. The fans were 100% on board with Briere to rebuild so they could stink this year. Instead they teased us with the playoffs for 65 games, collapsed, miss the playoffs, and now will draft #14? #15?
We’ve done this for a decade as every high end talent never pans out. We draft Nolan Patrick #2 overall, doesn’t pan out. We draft Cutter Gauthier #5 overall, he gets traded because he doesn’t want to play for us. We draft Michkov this year and we won’t know for 2 more years when he’s eligible to come to the NHL. Other first round picks: Farabee, Frost, Konecny, Sanheim had been the nucleus for the past 5 years = mediocre teams.
The Flyers lack high end talent because they miss or get unlucky with so many 1st round picks for a decade now, it’s literally Groundhog Day.
Well said from another 40 year Flyers fan
Lots to consider.
Carter Hart, overall depth, injuries to key players, Walker being traded & bringing in Erik Johnson, Tortorella (the good & maybe not so good).
There was a lot of AHL players in the lineup that were just not good enough (understandable).
2 weeks ago we might get Rangers-Flyers 1st Round series ... how awesome would that be ... times change
As a flyer fan we were encouraged early by the results we were getting from a majority of the young players. Now after the collapse it’s hard to know what we actually have to bring into the future
Not a flyer fan, but I would be optimistic. Most rookies and young players struggle after the 60 game mark because they have never played an 82 game schedule before. Plus Torts style of hockey isn't easy on the body. If they did this well this early, they should be that much better for it. Plus, the learning of fighting for a playoff spot won't hurt either.
Brings back memories of the Phillies choking the last two games of the 7 game series at home.
Flyers aren't a good enough team to call this a choke.
@@csolivais1979 150 days in a good playoff position to lose 8 in a row = choke
@@GreggThorpe sorry but for a team who lost their starting goalie, and had 3 of their best defensemen out for a significant amount of time, they did good. Not shabby for a team just about everyone picked to be a lottery team.
@@csolivais1979 Commenting contradiction, "Flyers aren't a good enough team to call this a choke." was your first comment.
We need a higher draft pick
In the end, they just get a better draft pick. 5 firsts and 5 seconds in the next 3 drafts
I think Fedotov got NHL ice because Kolosov was only going to be eligible for the AHL, while Fedotov COULD play NHL.
And Briere did draft two goalies last summer. They didn't think they'd see either Russian, so it was just getting ahead of the Hart thing if it blew up. It blew up.
I feel bad for the players that earned that playoff spot a few weeks ago, and the team just couldn't hold it.
Atkinson disappearing really hurt the team. Couts obviously tired, and just isn't making plays. Konecny looks really hurt but drags himself out there. Seeler got hurt right at the wrong time to maybe transition through not having Walker anymore after the deadline. Deslaurier adds nothing. Staal, bad. Johnson is trying, but needs to retire. Too many injuries for too many years.
And yes, this is a discouraging season because they showed what was possible, but demonstrated they are missing like 12 players vs competitive teams. This isn't a two guy fix.
I do applaud them for trying so hard. I hope we can have one or two more wins by the end of the season to wash a little of this last couple weeks out of our mouth. Leave on a better note, go rest and get healthy, and see what the Briere/Jones/Torts plan is for the offseason/draft.
Things blew up faster than we could say molotov cocktail these last two months.
Basically the wings, just harder and faster😊
As a diehard, and rather upset, flyers fan, I'd say discouraging. We were supposed to suck, get a good pick, trade our assets, and be better in 3 years when michkov arrives. Because we played well, we ended up not trading much at the deadline, and we're not gonna get a good pick now. It feels like we lost a year in the rebuild with nothing to show for it. (And no playoffs)
Maybe this will lead Torts back to the booth, where I think he does his best work.
I was surprised that he took the Philly job, seems like a sweet deal doing commentary as compared to coaching.
Why would Torts not coach next year? He got more out of this team than anyone had any right to expect.
Both. Fly guys need some more tuning.
Once they traded Sean Walker, it went downhill
Fedotov sounds cooler with the accent on the first syllable like Federov.
As a flyers fan It was as painful as the eagles fall off
Tortorella is not the problem. He's doing what he was brought in to do.
Hart situation put this team and the organization in a very difficult spot. Ersson is a good goalie, but he's not a starter yet. He was in the position he was supposed to be in until Hart happened. He's in over his head, but I'm my opinion handled it above what most would've given him.
The PP is horrendous and a momentum killer. I wish they could decline the PP😂. The PK is very good and is a strong point on this team.
Tldr Shannon jinxed them
It feels like a rebuild season kind of desl
Ghost of Cutter Gauthier!?!
Philly & Wings looked primed to take the spots…now we got the Isles 🙄😤
me, a flyers fan, scared to watch
RIP ... Again :'(
the Flyers don't have another gear to find in the last quarter of the season. Other teams know that this is when you should be your best and the Flyers picked the first half of the season to be their best.
There’s no way torts is still gonna win the Jack Adam’s right?
I doubt they will get rid of frost, most likely Farabee , Risto, staal and Atkinson on the chopping block
Anybody who thinks it's tough being a fan of their respective team, as a lifelong Flyers fan who isn't old enough to have seen the two cups in the seventies, I can say for sure that this fanbase (since then) is one of the most tortured in all of hockey. They will miss by 1-3 points this season, and it's going to be a long and very sad offseason waiting to see if they can even get close to the playoffs next year. I love the team, but the truth is it really sucks being a Flyers fan.
Not a pens fan but on the other end of the spectrum just gotta love their story with Crosby fueling their huge turnaround late in the season. Crosby Def needs MVP consideration if they sneak in the playoffs
If they just won like 2 of the last 8 games they’d be fine because the other teams fighting in the east don’t really seem to be surging into a spot. 4 points would have been huge . Winning 4 of the last 8 would have nearly guaranteed it
Good vid
Probably with Fedetov being a AHL’er next season is they want Alexei Kolosov to have a full year in the minors.
You would think as a long time Rangers fan (over 50 yrs) I would hate Philly but I love Torts and was rooting for them to make the playoffs. What happened?
Lost their starting goalie, so had to throw a rookie back up to the wolves. Traded away one defenseman and 3 others hurt for long stretches, and didn't have the depth to deal with it over the season.
TLDR: they were a 1st time marathon runner whose legs gave out at the 25 mile mark.
Hold on 🍿🍿 OK go ahead sir
It went t bad as soon as they traded Walker.
Should have shopped more guys to be honest
Does Torts still love his room?!
This team overachieved all year. When the games actually meant something they folded like origami. (Took that from another podcast) What worries me the most is that no one is playing well which shows me how low of a talent pool we actually have. This team needs a legitimate star to lead them. Someone who sticks out no matter how bad they are. Hopefully that Russian kid is the answer but who knows if he ever plays for them.
I bet you torts played this video for their entire team and schooled them after😭😭😭😭😭
Benching Couturier and not being entirely transparent about why was a questionable move to say the least. Yes they did over-perform in the first half, but a collapse of this type signifies larger issues. Could be tension in the locker room among the players, could be Torts’ coaching style. All in all I think this team is average at best and will finish right around where I think they belonged all along.