This isn't like the Lindros draft and trade at all. Kid was drafted and said he was built to be a flyer then ghosted the team like he was on Twitter. No guarantee he shows up for the Ducks either
Saw the city of Philadelphia and never wanted to come back. Can't blame him. Has nothing to do with the team, or the coach, everything to do with the location of the franchise.
@@JackOffAllTrades I live 15 min outside of it. It’s pretty clear he doesn’t want to play for Torts. Like many metro cities in the US, Philly has its ghetto parts and nice parts.
There's a difference between Philly's hate for Crosby and Philly's hate for someone like Cutter. We hate Crosby cause he's the best player on the rival team. It's a different level of hate when a guy openly refuses to get paid millions of dollars to be the face of your team without taking a single shift in the NHL.
Your team hasent won anything since the early 1970s in fact the ducks won cup way sooner then the flyers did the flyers are a c team at best and a team to laugh at most of the time
@@durrrrl3435if I had the draft potential to knowingly get signed by a team after leaving mine, I’d leave those ugly, ugly orange jerseys, or Nashville, immediately after the world juniors too, kid realized his worth immediately and asked for a trade the flyers are full of nonsense, cry me a river your GM’s kid has no respect for the disabled and torts is a goober made for snippets not actually coaching anything. The ducks have been a budget team forever and won you are not a budget team and have ugly jerseys somehow worse than the ducks by a long shot and the flyers have sucked in the entire modern nhl era, I’d rather play for Arizona for the jerseys alone, if someone’s going to sign me an ELC, what even is a draft let’s be real, it’s always the same $$ on an ELC, and if you’re an NHL ready prospect, teams already look at you as 4x the value of an ELC, like the draft is gonna have serious problems if this isn’t addressed, this kid choosing a team is far more rational on a personal level than people are acting - also we both know your best player since the ducks won a cup is a 35 year old playing for Ottawa, like, I am not even close to a ducks fan but you need to accept you suck way more than the ducks in all aspects
Lindros situation was totally different as he told Quebec before the draft. Cutter told Flyers he was built to play for Flyers after being drafted. Also, the pieces traded away for Lindros turned out to be better value as Avs won cups.
yeah...but Lindros was proven correct by the very fact the team was moved to Denver. The fact they eventually became good (and didn't really win a cup until they got Roy) isn't a logically sound argument against what Lindros chose to do. They were a terribly run team, simple as that.
The real "danger" here is these KIDS can now demand what they want because they like most kids feel they are ENTITLED to get what they want at 18 years old. This has opened up a real can of worms. I wonder if he will have a "target" on his back from other teams too? Time will tell.
@@trvman1 I'm fine with it. I'll always choose the right to personal freedom over being controlled by a powerful institution. If players can win more rights for themselves then good on them. I'm not down with authoritarianism/communism.
@@trvman1 it hasnt opened up anything... the kid lied pure and simple, the vast majority of nhl draft picks want to sign with the team who picked them... Also the current draft system and only getting a few years of rights to unsigned draft pick is a helluva lot better than the old ways where a team could "buy" your rights as child or young junior prospect...
So let's do away with the draft and just let them sign with whom they want when they turn 18. You have the Cap, so not all the best players can go to the same team. Solves that problem :) @@zachroberts1988
The isn’t the same as the Lindros saga. Eric Lindros went into the draft saying that he will not play for the Nordics. Cutter Gauthier said that he wouldn’t play for the Flyers 3 months after the draft. They aren’t the same… End of.
No they aren’t the same situation in how it panned out. However, both players refused to play for their team before even stepping on the ice. Pretty rare to see top end talent pull that stuff & considering that it happened TO the Flyers this time is ironic. I wonder if this becomes a more common occurrence in the years to come?
@@hockeypsychology I hope not. Or it makes the draft irrelevant. Might as well sign up the Dodgers in hockey on 1 team with deferred contracts and secure the cup for a decade. Imagine the top 5 picks 3 years in a row demanding a trade to 1 team.
@hockeypsychology the more nhl pushes player rights the more it will be. It's a shame because that's actually a really good thing but it does make the draft pointless if every player just choses the team they want
After all the fans said "I wish players had spoken about Babcock earlier," it's wild that people are criticizing a player for deciding they don't want to play in a particular organization. Pull back the media smokescreen and this is just a new college graduate realizing they don't want to flounder at a company where they're not a fit. Aside from whatever may have happened at world juniors, it's a mature decision.
Huh? How is this remotely similar? He’s never really played for Torts, how would he know how he felt? We don’t even know if he’ll remain a coach there for much longer. What’s the point of having drafts if the players decide where they want to play? Ghosting a team, refusing to speak to them when they travel to the World Juniors to speak to you isn’t mature what so ever. Guys who spoke out about Babcock played under him, Babcock is known for being a bully, Tortorella can be tough but he’s not a bully and he’s been many players’ favorite coach.
It was in no way professional or "mature". Seriously wtf is this take? If you don't want to work for someone you tell them face to face, like a man. Or you can be a child and burn bridges for NO REASON. Seriously what would it have cost Cutter to take 5 minutes and meet with the staff in Sweden to tell them again, thanks but no thanks? Absolutely nothing. This is a giant red flag to me, and speaks to some underlying immaturity, lack of mental toughness/discipline, or just plain old poor social skills. Any way you cut it, undesirable traits of a leader/super star face of a franchise. Have fun playing in California where no one gives a shit about hockey Cutter. You might actually fit in just fine.
It was in no way professional or "mature". Seriously wtf is this take? If you don't want to work for someone you tell them face to face, like a man. Or you can be a child and burn bridges for NO REASON. Seriously what would it have cost Cutter to take 5 minutes and meet with the staff in Sweden to tell them again, thanks but no thanks? Absolutely nothing. This is a giant red flag to me, and speaks to some underlying immaturity, lack of mental toughness/discipline, or just plain old poor social skills. Any way you cut it, undesirable traits of a leader/super star face of a franchise. Have fun playing in California where no one gives a shit about hockey Cutter. You might actually fit in just fine.
@@ellaella5537 I don't mean to compare Torts to Babcock, Torts by all accounts is a fine coach. I meant that if we accept that players can choose to not to play for a team, and their reasons are their own, then situations like Babcock wouldn't get as far out of hand. The draft still serves its purpose since the teams get to trade draftees. I agree that refusing to speak to them at the world juniors was immature, but that shouldn't become an onus for the rest of his career.
@@corytodd1690I am a lifelong rangers fan and despise the Flyers, but I’ll tell you right now, Flyers fans are not soft at all! They’re probably too tough, I’ve been to Rangers /Flyers game s dating back to when the Flyers played @ the Spectrum, female Flyers fans are tougher than male Ducks fans 😂😂😂
@matrix_killer2455 thrun a college free agent refused to sign with the Ducks after completing his college career and signed with the sharks instead. Same thing happened with Justin Schultz when he left Anaheim for Edmonton coming out of College
@@fk3095 Yeah, the Schultz situation is the worst by far. When the talent you drafted lies to the team for so long he becomes a free agent and the team gets nothing is completely fucked. At least the Flyers got another great young talent in return. The Ducks got nothing for Schultz.
Not a Flyers fan, but do want to point out that Lindros made his intention known to both the team and the public. Not some childish ghosting. With this guy and Zegras the ducks will be pretty full of personalities, that begs the question of who's there to actually play hockey except for Terry
Are you serious? Lol they are #1 on future watch having the best prospect and young players which just got even stronger now. You clearly haven't paid any attention to them at all. They are stacked. If I had to choose to lose 1, it would be Terry. I'm more so worried about how they'll pay the plethora of elite players they have on their roster.
I watch a lot of hockey content and this channel is 3 years old, I'm kind of pissed it was just today a video from this channel came up on as a recommended video. Great content. Great analysis and breakdowns of the game from the videos I've watched so far.
i was at the draft in '91 with eric lindros. went to the 1990 and 1991 drafts. awesome times back then, when you could scope out different tables on the phone and figure out which franchise was talking with which etc
This is one of those things where I agree with both sides. If Gauthier doesn't want to play for Philly, he's fine to do that. Blake Wheeler didn't want to play for the Coyotes, Justin Schultz with the Ducks and Jimmy Vesey with Nashville. Unlike those situations, Philly is actually coming out way ahead because they got an NHL caliber player AND likely top 10 2nd round pick. Gauthier could have just waited till his college career was over and walked, but by making this known, the Flyers got a return. I'm also cool with Philly being mad and agree that yeah they should be happy to ship out anybody who doesn't want to be there. I don't think Torts is serious saying he doesn't know Cutter from "a hole in the wall," but if he is, that's pretty bad on his part and actually reinforces Gauthier's position of not wanting to be in Philly. Cutter's not some UDFA, he's Torts' 5th overall pick from his first year with the team. That's a guy he should be expecting big things from and be in contact with.
@@DaEagles71024Brock Faber basically did the same thing with the Kings but told the Kings he only wanted to play with the Wild. You know what the Kings did? Traded him to the Wild in a package deal for Fiala. It’s not a big deal and to think “karma” is going to get him is stupid. Karma doesn’t work that way when you’re making a decision you feel is right. Karma is only when a person is back stabbed or did something shady, neither happened here.
Correct and my phrasing was there. I just meant that Cutter was the team's first selection while Torts was a part of the organization and it probably would behoove him to be well, well aware of the dude.
He was a top 5 pick, there was 0 doubt he'd be drafted, it was a matter of where. If he were 6th/7th round pick, sure a little humility would do, but when your draft status is assured, you can put a little more thought into where you want to be@@DaEagles71024
Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman reported that on Tuesday that the issue stemmed from the Flyers not signing Gauthier to a contract last year. Supposedly, the team did not want a bonus overage carrying into the 2023-24 season, and that was enough to upset Gauthier ads his camp.
Mad respect for Danny Briere. Even tho Cutter was mad unprofessional, Briere recognizes he's still a kid and still tries to protect him even tho he disrespected the organization. Speaks to the kind of guy Danny is.
Ray Bourque said he was a Habs fan when growing up in Montreal. He went on to say the day the Bruins drafted him was the day he stopped being a Habs fan. I really hope it’s not because he grew up as a Penguins fan. There are tons of players who grew up a fan of one team and go on to play for their arch rivals
So many stories. Charlie McAvoy,who grew up as a diehard Rangers fan on Long Island,once tweeted (as a teenager) that "I hate the Bruins so much". Of course,he gets drafted by the Bruins and has a great career. Mike Richter grew up a Flyers fan,and said,after being drafted by the Rangers,that all his Flyers posters,bumper stickers,etc came off his car and walls
You give 100% to the team and fans whose logo is on your paycheck. If the Habs, whom I despise, offered me a league minimum contract, they would get nothing less than 100% out of me. But I'm not a Cutter Gauthier-kind of guy.
Excellent overview, as always. Thank you. Blowing off the Flyers when they went to speak with him in Sweden is pretty disrespectful. I fail to think of any scenario it would be justified. I think he didn't want to play for Torts and I absolutely think fellow Boston College alum Kevin Hayes was a factor in Gauthier changing his mind. As a lifelong Flyers fan, I'm excited to welcome Drysdale to the team. It will all work out in the end.
I don't blame him for blowing them off in Sweden, he is there to win a gold medal not talk contract/team stuff. Would a team try to approach a player in the playoffs to try to talk to him about something not related to the playoffs. He is there to focus on winning the gold. That was a dumb move on the Flyers part. He is well w/in his right to not sign, the CBA even protects him in doing so, it's kind of crappy to not give a reason but that's their decision. What's the point of having a cba if you aren't going to use it.
@@brianlb78agreed, just being up front would have been the right thing to do but his reasons are pretty irrelevant. As far as we know something deeply personal came up and now the news and internet trolls won’t stay out of his business. The flyers didn’t exactly get a raw deal out of it either, assuming drysdale stays healthy, he looked solid against Montreal last night
Philly fans are going to love Drysdale. As far as Gauthier goes, I think Ducks fans will be very happy with this trade as well...in time. I have a feeling there is a whole lot missing that the regular fan base may never know about. Looking at any past interviews Cutter seemed genuinely excited to be with the Flyers. Something obviously happened to change that. He didn't seem like a pre-Madana type at all over the past year. Not that I could see anyway. Maybe this will all come out at some point. It would be interesting, that's for sure. Regardless. Philly is going to enjoy every bit of what Drysdale brings once he fills out and gets a little more experience.
WTH is a pre-madana? Sorry, man, solid comment, but that pre-madana thing made laugh... (It's primadonna, btw - first lady in Italian, the main lady who sings in an opera)
@@jor-el1298 HA! That's when hockey fans try to get sophisticated. Maybe I should try going to an opera now, but I doubt there will be any checking, so probably not.
I have a friend that was a top 10 pick, he said the team that picked him interviewed him 11 times. He said they asked if we play against you childhood fave team what would you do. Even stuff like foods, colors, people he liked and hated. He said it would be really hard to lie and keep it straight. Also lie not knowing who will draft you. So Quitter Gauthier was for sure interviewed many times by many teams and didnt change his mind until after the draft.
It's obvious he changed his mind when the flyers didn't sign him last year. He wanted the 1st year of his ELC burned so he could make millions more and they didnt do it forcing him to go back to college for a usless year.... so he got pissed off in his dorms and planned this. You cant screw around with star prospects and expect it to work out. Rookie GM mistake.
Although the other stuff can be tough to answer, the first one should be fairly simple. If your goal is to be a pro hockey player AND you know you’re projected to go high in the draft, you’re answer is always your new to is your team period…that’s one of your responsibilities as a professional for having the privilege to play a game for a living. Drew Doughty should be the poster child for all kids looking to be drafted (aside from debatably the “fitness” controversy lol).
Your whole page has to be one of the best rabbit holes I’ve everrr fallen down?!!! Haha 17 years playing here in merry old England many years retired and more then appreciating the content dude?!
Seems like that there is more to this story than him just deciding he didn't want to play for Philly. Friedman recently reported that Philly chose to not sign him two years in a row, and he told them in May of 2023 that he wanted out due to that.
Even as a Flyers fan I admit that Crosby has had a hell of a career. hell I'll go as far as to say he's probably one of my favorite players as a general hockey fan
@@GenshinLover283 you’re not wrong in the slightest. Dont get me wrong, I hate Crosby but there’s no denying the fact how amazing he is and if he were a flyer I’d love him.
People are hating on him for this but he took a little agency and control over his life. Players have to live where they play, if they don't want to live in a certain city then they should supported when they try to move. Lots of players have no trade clauses with lists of teams they don't want to play with, nobody gives them crap.
Players either live in luxury highrise condos in Center City or the mansions in NJ/Philly suburbs. I've traveled all over the country and it's as nice to live here as anywhere else; and he's not a top 3 prospect, just a fuckin pussy.
Lindros let the team know beforehand that he didn’t wanna be drafted. Also lindros was right to not commit there bc they were a failing team and ended up relocating anyway. He wanted something more stable.
@@MAM11234using assets they got from trading the Lindross rights, including Patrick Roy. Very likely they don’t win that cup without making that trade.
Haha, WHAT? They weren't a failing team, they won the cup that year as the Avs. The reason had nothing to do with the team and everything to do with the Owner who sexually harassed him.
Well the assault makes more sense. Just being a diva and not wanting to be a bad team is pretty stupid because that’s what the top picks are. Not very sound logic there
This is one of those things where I agree with both sides. If Gauthier doesn't want to play for Philly, he's fine to do that. Blake Wheeler didn't want to play for the Coyotes, Justin Schultz with the Ducks and Jimmy Vesey with Nashville. Unlike those situations, Philly is actually coming out way ahead because they got an NHL caliber player AND likely top 10 2nd round pick. Gauthier could have just waited till his college career was over and walked, but by making this known, the Flyers got a return. I'm also cool with Philly being mad and agree that yeah they should be happy to ship out anybody who doesn't want to be there. I don't think Torts is serious saying he doesn't know Cutter from "a hole in the wall," but if he is, that's pretty bad on his part and actually reinforces Gauthier's position of not wanting to be in Philly. Cutter's not some UDFA, he's Torts' 5th overall pick from his first year with the team. That's a guy he should be expecting big things from and be in contact with.
The way the management was acting gave me bad vibes. The Torts interview was the worst part for me because he seemed bitter and like he was trying to make the kid seem irrelevant. They avoid discussing any reasons why Cutter didn't want to be there and simply tried to save face by saying good riddance.
@@randomshizFM It's like when you let go of one of your biggest talents in some sort of agency and say "their impact will be negligible" and then they rock the shit out of your performance as a group by themselves.
We don't know the understory. May be Cutter and the management already had a strained relationship. IMO, all the managers lining up to throw the kid under the bus going as far as the coach saying he doesn't know him "from a hole in the wall" (whatever that means), gives bad management vibes. Seems like everyone should be happy with the trade.
Devils fan here. I genuinely don’t see why this is a big deal. I don’t play hockey but if I did and I ended up being drafted by the Rangers, I wouldn’t want to play for them either. So I really don’t see any issues with not wanting to play for a particular team. If anyone would like to (kindly) explain what everyone is so upset about, I’ll gladly listen, but it just really doesn’t seem like a big deal. Thoughts?
I believe it's because many kids dream of playing in the NHL and hockey fans see a team drafting a kid as the team giving him an opportunity to make the dreams of many come true and refusing to play for that team is like him saying "uh, no thanks, I'd rather not be a pro athlete making millions to play a game that many people have to pay just to play". Honestly it's ridiculous, plus the hockey media just needs something new to talk about every 15 minutes so they often get desperate enough to make a mountain out of a mole hill, which is the main reason I would never play for a Canadian team and I'm Canadian
Kid had his reasons for whatever reason it was that’s up to him. Maybe it was personal issue where his family wanted him to be in Anaheim or even the west coast. Maybe he was told by his new team mates not to come because of the coach, or maybe he thought he wouldn’t have the right opportunity to play like he wanted to in Philly. I just hope he has a good career and plays his best and if he plays against Philly they don’t taunt him out of playing in the nhl.
I like the guy and give the Ducks credit for a fair deal,they are the team taking the risk but I think Both teams come up roses.Philly is doing just Dandy for a team in rebuild,things are looking good there,Be Happy guys,you are doing so well without blowing the team up and that young stud from Ontario is just hitting stride and getting close to a goal a game.
Philly refuses to rebuild and so they get 3 playoff appearances in 10 years. This is a big piece of their future gone but organizationally they've made themselves mid for decades.
@@CubeInspector exactly. they’re kids who are about to make a boat load of cash playing sports lol be grateful and go play for the team that picks you up
@@damnfinecoffee224 Meh you said yourself, they're kids. They're kids being sent into a physically taxing league full of grown men who could easily end any kid's career in a heartbeat; not to mention if they're put on a team that is both dogshit and unwilling to invest in their own players, I don't think it's that unrealistic to want a team that isn't going to handicap them for 4+ years just because they're making "boat loads of cash", they're still human... I think rookies should at least have some sort of freedom to have the option to select like 5 teams that they'd want to play for and 5 others that they'd want to avoid and let the draft do the rest... The idea of getting put on a team that you have absolutely zero say over is laughable and a massive recipe for disaster.
Crazy to me that Lindros gets criticism for obviously having the moral upper hand in not wanting to play for someone accused of sexual harassment -- more players should take a stance like that to not enable gross behavior in sports and imo we should praise a player for taking a stance based on morals instead of criticize them for some sort of "professionalism".....
Lindros demanded a trade because he didnt like the french speaking nature of what was the quebec nordiques. I never heard anyone talk about sexual harassment being the reason, but sounds like the NHL too cover it up if true.
The sexual harassment accusations were in 2015 almost a decade after Lindros had retired. Lindros didn't want to play in a Francophone market, he may have not liked the owner as well but he had no idea he was an alleged sexual harasser so no we shouldn't be praising Lindros in this situation and do basic research before we make moralist reactionary statements.
Didn't want to be in a small city like Quebec and add the French speaking aspect thats all... nothing to do with any type of sexual harassment or anything of the sort.
This is the opposite of Lindros. Lindros told Quebec he was not going to play for them and they took him anyways. Gauthier never said he didn't want to play for the Flyers until way after he was drafted. The comparison isn't there. It's much closer to something like PLD or Drouin being mad at where they're at.
Top prospects flop all the time. He can turn it up in an easy route at a World Juniors but becoming a stud in the NHL is a different story. The emotionalism behind this trade may become totally irrelevant in 3-5 years. Idk I wish him the best, wish he wanted to play for us, but he's got a right to make this move.
Lets not forget that Peter Forsberg was drafted and traded by the Flyers in the Lindros deal. If the kid doesn't want to player for the orange and black then we don't want him.
His favorite player growing up was Sidney Crosby he was a fan of the Pittsburgh Penguins and he was drafted to the Flyers of course he was upset. He was a fan boy instead of being a professional. Sidney Crosby would not act like that.
Can’t help but feel like Torterella’s comment about not knowing Cutter from a hole in the wall is part of the reason he doesn’t want to join your organization. What player wants to play for a coach that can’t even recognize him as one of their top prospects who just tied for the most points at the world juniors? (Also I’m absolutely loving watching Philly fans cry about this after like 4 teams had to pass on Michkov a few months ago because he refused to play for anyone but the flyers)
Because respect begets respect Easy to understand The comment came after What is Torts to do, why waste time on the disrespect his organization was given? Is he supposed to praise him? Drysdale immediately made an impact in his 1st game with a foreign (to him) defensive system. Cutter is at best a guessing game as he has not proven anything at the NHL level. And i do not hate him i am just loving the outcome was an awesome R H shot solid D man who can move the puck When Michove gets here,the futures so bright Flyers will need shades Best of luck to to kid tho
lol what? Mitchkov made it known BEFORE a team drafted him he really wanted to be a flyer but he never said he wouldn’t sign or play for whoever drafted him, but even if he did it’s a huge difference to say that before a team drafts you compared to mere months after…not even close to the same. There were multiple reasons teams passed on mitchkov with him being Russian and with the Ukraine conflict still making him a gamble to take because he more then likely won’t be in the NHL before 2026 being another huge reason
i dont think Cutter really cares. he is going to be great. that said lets not try and pretend like the Flyers are some great organization that is know for developing's you players.
Tortorella said yesterday “I don’t know Cutter from a hole in the wall.” That says a lot. Eli Manning and John Elway both refused to play for the teams that drafted them and went on to win 4 Super Bowls between them. Gauthier won’t be afraid of the rare DUcks-FLyers game. He’ll be psyched to show he made the right decision.
Kind of a moot point when it comes to NHL, Eric Lindros refused to play for Nordiques, Nordiques win cup the year they move to Colorado. Mario Lemieux doesn't want to play for Pittsburgh but then puts a brave face and sticks to that team, rest is history.
@@klingonradarthe Nordiques/Avalanche got both Forsberg and Roy as part of the trade tree from Lindross. They don’t win a cup if they don’t trade him away
Can I just say that I don't see the issue with this situation? I mean, if he signed and then didn't perform, it would have been worse for him and for the team with the cap and all that. I'd rather trade someone who doesn't want to play with my team rather than trying and force him into it.
There is a differrence between Lindros and Cutter. Lindros told Quebec he did not want to play for them before they drafted him, and they still drafted him. Cutter told the Flyers he wanted to be here pre draft and after draft, then switched up on them with no explantion to offer.
I am new for NHL. Can someone explain me what is a big deal? Dude doesn't want to play with one team so he changed it for another. Nothing bad at first glance.
If he was a proven veteran NHL player sure. Typically when you're 18-26 most kids are just happy to play at the NHL level and don't have much say in who they play for unless they go undrafted. Philadelphia drafted him with a very high pick because Cutter told them he would play for them. He changed his mind a few months after being drafted shafting Philly pretty hard as Philly could have used that pick on a kid who would play for them. This kid has potential but hasn't played a single game in the NHL yet. Shows bad class and petulance on Cutter's part.
Nothing really, he is well within his CBA rights to do this, which many seem to forgot. People are just mad because he is a young kid and not giving a reason.
I wouldn't want to play for the Flyers either haha. The Flyers are that team nobody really likes (other than Philly) but love having around to just watch them humiliate themselves. The fans do so more than anything. This is just pure comedy and I hope cutter absolutely slays it in Anaheim or with whatever team he may settle into. It would be poetic if he wound up in Pittsburgh. I freaking would love to see that happen hahaha. Great video! Always enjoy a good Flyers clowning bit.
This isn't the 80s or 90s. The players have more flash and athletic abilities no doubt, but there's no metric that compares today's players to that. The Gretzkys, Lemeiuxs, dare I even say the Crosbys, Malkins and Ovis played through a way tougher physical game, and still be amazing. This will come back, hopefully no one like Scott Stevens who wanted your soul. And don't forget, Lindros was encouraged to destroy players with absolutely no respect. With the advent of harsher rules on players having less code, these kids like Bedard are gonna get hit harder and harder.
Scott Stevens as a Dman has more points and three more cups than Lindros. The guys aren't even comparable Stevens was a much more efficient hockey player.
Why doesn't this kid want to play for the Flyers, an organization that's universally respected and known for its class!?! Philadelphia fans are thoughtful, loyal and renowned for their sportsmanship. Everyone know that. This franchise is synonymous with excellence as the Anaheim Ducks, Boston Bruins, Calgary Flames, Carolina Hurricanes, Chicago Blackhawks, Colorado Avalanche, Dallas Stars, Detroit Red Wings, Edmonton Oilers, Los Angeles Kings, Montreal Canadiens, New Jersey Devils, New York Islanders, New York Rangers, Pittsburgh Penguins, St Louis Blues, Tampa Bay Lightning, Vegas Golden Knights and Washington Capitals are the only teams to have won the Cup more recently than the Flyers!
Maybe he just knows he won’t fit in with the ways things are ran there and decided to jump ship. I like drysdale but he is always getting injured so I don’t see him doing much unless he can stay healthy
You make an entire video comparing the kid's decision to Eric Lindros, and state how much Philadelphia as an organization wouldn't want someone like that, but then fail to connect the dots that they had no problem giving up the farm for the very same Eric Lindros you are comparing the kid to? So the way I see it is that the organization is pretty hypocritical, to chastise this kid for his behavior, when they were first in line to go after Lindros when he did the same thing
I'm with you with everything, 100%. Well, no. The fact that a prospect of any team mention that he is a dire hard fan of Crosby, or any fame players of that caliber, you mention it as if it was scandalous llol. "you can"t make this stuff up" you said. Like... WHAT? Do you think prospects get their memory erased when they are drafted by any random team? Let's not become stupid ON TOP of an already difficult situation. Lindros happened before social media, keep that in mind before over dramatising the choice made by litteral kids. We don't know enough to judge the decision anyway, so adding drama is just recipe for disaster. You, as someone who does content for a social media should know that more than anyone. Flyers' FANS are right to feel pissed and robbed, whatever the reason this mess happened. But outside that, let's AT LEAST know the facts before forming an informed opinion. We don't know whether Tort is the cause, so why speculate? What I find more irritating is to see the freaking same coach again and again and again and again in rotation around the league for the past decades. We also don't know what so many of them have done or saw or let happen during all those decades, let's keep that in mind; players have inside info we do not have or won't surface for a long time. Plus the way Tort himself replied to the question is so freaking passive aggressive and classless. Just say IDK and wish everyone good luck and period, next question. About a freaking kid lol, it's just pathetic I'm sorry. He knows him as little as a "hole in a wall", about the first round draft pick of the team you're coaching, who just became the MVP for a gold medal... Sure Tort, suuuure. But many love that kind of drama and BS or raging over stuff that we don't even know. Also what does Tort's performance as a coach right now have anything to do with the situation? I REALLY thought after Chicago, people would be more careful to not equate performance with a locker room that isn't a huge problem, etc. You NEVER know what is going on in a locker room. What if an incident happened recently in Philly's locker room that wasn't dealt the proper way, something that strongly force the kid's agent and himself to make such a difficult decision, knowing full well he would be crucified... Is it not more plausible than any other surface reasons you proposed? It's my guess anyway, and if I'm right I think it will be uncovered, and Tort might lose his life membership position as coach of any NHL team. Let's wait either way.
2 reasons for this: 1. He’s a Gen Z Superstar, and 2. He doesn’t want to get yelled at by Torts (a corollary of 1.) And, as much as you want to hate and blame him for it, it’s just the way he was trained. Most kids of a certain socioeconomic status have never even had to talk on the phone to an adult they don’t know, let alone had to deal with media and team management (both of whom will CERTAINLY have some uncomfortable questions about hanging a team out to dry) in a multi billion dollar global industry. And when you add just enough of the narcissistic entitlement necessary to become a premier talent, this is what you get (btw, it’s the same for all those kids w/o the talent and their crummy jobs in their crummy home towns).
Not sure how this compares. With everything they got for Lindros, the Nordiques/Avalanche became a force for the next ten years and won two Cups. That fanbase should love Lindros in hindsight. This simply won't make any kind of wave like that, and I would be shocked if Gauthier doesn't slow quit on every team he plays for once things get rough. Making Pierre-Luc Dubois vibes.
"To be fair to the kid he probably just doesn’t want to be shot in the dangerous streets of Philadelphia." LOL That was funny ,but i doubt the millionaires hang out anywhere near Kingston But that made me chuckle The USA , esp big cities,are very dangerous across the board Esp for school kids it seems sad to admit
Pretty confident this is your best piece yet, and the way you ended it was phenomenal; Will be beyond interesting to watch his first game on the road against Philly.
Why do people not remember Mario being a stuck up piece of shit, only to eventually buy the team. Spoiled cry babies. Probably why Kharma cut his career short, and he'll never be anything close to the Great One!
And lindros shouldn't have been crucified especially given his reasons for not wanting to play with the Nordiques. Until Cutter or his agent actually gives a reason folks shouldn't be crucifying him. Boo him on the ice if you want but don't make him out to be this horrible person when you don't even know his side of it.
It started off with the mispronunciation of his name. If you’re gonna draft someone (in this case your first pick!) make sure you know how to say their name properly otherwise you obviously get off on the wrong foot. Secondly, if you actually want to keep your first round draft pick on your team, make sure to put your coach in check and aligned before his first discussion with such a player. Those two things solved for in advance, he would still be a flyer today.
@@tomblade I doubt it. There’s never been any rumors like that about Torts. In this day and age, players would leak inappropriate stuff like Babcock was doing to the media.
He changed his mind about playing for the Flyers at the exact moment the Flyers pronounced his name wrong at the draft :) Ruined a special moment he has worked for all his life ;)
Timing is everything and kudos to the Flyers for putting their foot down, trading him when his value is highest off the WJC, and got a return with a player who wants to play there. Not a Flyers fan, but a Devils fan, but you gotta respect them doing what they gotta do
I don’t know why Flyers fans or Flyers media would be upset by this. If this young man had made up his mind that playing for Philadelphia would be miserable, for whatever reason, real or imaginary, then it’s a GOOD thing that he’s gone from the Flyers’ organization. Disgruntled employees are bad news in any place of work, especially in a team-oriented workplace. Making Cutter “public enemy #1” is pathetic and childish; Philly fans should be HAPPY that a selfish and unhappy player is gone.
Professional hockey is a job. If you don't like the company you work for, you look to make a change. Why should this be any different? The draft only gives teams rights to sign, not ownership of, a player. More players should exercise their rights within the system.
Well draft in fans eyes is more like marriage. Commitment to that team at least for 3-4 first years. Especially if you are high draft pick. If you are late pick nobody really cares. So that's why it's betrayal to Philly fans.
The decision to decieve Philly is the worst part of it. To say to their face youre "Built to be a Flyer" and subsequently refuse to play for thag team, speams volumes as him as a person. Shows a selfish teammate and a snake in the grass. Even in Anaheim they aren't going to love him in the locker room for that
As a member of the Ducks he'll play one game a season in Philly. It won't matter to him at all how mad Flyers fans are at him. LA fans never forgave Rob Blake for demanding to be traded, but he continued to play at All-World level.
![Seungmin "그렇게, 천천히, 우리(As we are)" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kAzmhLHePqU/mqdefault.jpg)
This isn't like the Lindros draft and trade at all. Kid was drafted and said he was built to be a flyer then ghosted the team like he was on Twitter. No guarantee he shows up for the Ducks either
well, if you're not going to up show up it for a duck's eater, he might as well not be a hockey player anymore
Saw the city of Philadelphia and never wanted to come back. Can't blame him. Has nothing to do with the team, or the coach, everything to do with the location of the franchise.
@@MindfullyBasedah yes, cause you have evidence of that
@@tylerriggs95ever been to Philly?
@@JackOffAllTrades I live 15 min outside of it. It’s pretty clear he doesn’t want to play for Torts. Like many metro cities in the US, Philly has its ghetto parts and nice parts.
" I don't know Cutter from a hole in the wall." Torts. Classic Torts.
That’s just John being a classic dick. Ofcourse he knows his teams top prospect.
...ground...
Who the hell is this Tortelli guy?
Makes you wonder about the kind of men's rooms Tortorella is frequenting. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Torts meant he couldn’t recognize which one was Cutter when he was kneeling by the hole in the wall. I understand the confusion though.
There's a difference between Philly's hate for Crosby and Philly's hate for someone like Cutter. We hate Crosby cause he's the best player on the rival team. It's a different level of hate when a guy openly refuses to get paid millions of dollars to be the face of your team without taking a single shift in the NHL.
Your team hasent won anything since the early 1970s in fact the ducks won cup way sooner then the flyers did the flyers are a c team at best and a team to laugh at most of the time
@@redred222The Flyers won the cup in their seventh season in the league. It took the Ducks twice as long, dum dum!🤪🤣
@@durrrrl3435if I had the draft potential to knowingly get signed by a team after leaving mine, I’d leave those ugly, ugly orange jerseys, or Nashville, immediately after the world juniors too, kid realized his worth immediately and asked for a trade the flyers are full of nonsense, cry me a river your GM’s kid has no respect for the disabled and torts is a goober made for snippets not actually coaching anything. The ducks have been a budget team forever and won you are not a budget team and have ugly jerseys somehow worse than the ducks by a long shot and the flyers have sucked in the entire modern nhl era, I’d rather play for Arizona for the jerseys alone, if someone’s going to sign me an ELC, what even is a draft let’s be real, it’s always the same $$ on an ELC, and if you’re an NHL ready prospect, teams already look at you as 4x the value of an ELC, like the draft is gonna have serious problems if this isn’t addressed, this kid choosing a team is far more rational on a personal level than people are acting - also we both know your best player since the ducks won a cup is a 35 year old playing for Ottawa, like, I am not even close to a ducks fan but you need to accept you suck way more than the ducks in all aspects
@@redred222 The fictional Mighty Ducks have overshadowed your franchise since most of your “fans” were born.
@@redred222 4th worst attendance in the league 😂 What a great hockey town he’ll be playing in
Lindros situation was totally different as he told Quebec before the draft. Cutter told Flyers he was built to play for Flyers after being drafted. Also, the pieces traded away for Lindros turned out to be better value as Avs won cups.
yeah...but Lindros was proven correct by the very fact the team was moved to Denver. The fact they eventually became good (and didn't really win a cup until they got Roy) isn't a logically sound argument against what Lindros chose to do. They were a terribly run team, simple as that.
The real "danger" here is these KIDS can now demand what they want because they like most kids feel they are ENTITLED to get what they want at 18 years old. This has opened up a real can of worms. I wonder if he will have a "target" on his back from other teams too? Time will tell.
@@trvman1 I'm fine with it. I'll always choose the right to personal freedom over being controlled by a powerful institution. If players can win more rights for themselves then good on them. I'm not down with authoritarianism/communism.
@@trvman1 it hasnt opened up anything... the kid lied pure and simple, the vast majority of nhl draft picks want to sign with the team who picked them... Also the current draft system and only getting a few years of rights to unsigned draft pick is a helluva lot better than the old ways where a team could "buy" your rights as child or young junior prospect...
So let's do away with the draft and just let them sign with whom they want when they turn 18. You have the Cap, so not all the best players can go to the same team. Solves that problem :) @@zachroberts1988
The isn’t the same as the Lindros saga. Eric Lindros went into the draft saying that he will not play for the Nordics. Cutter Gauthier said that he wouldn’t play for the Flyers 3 months after the draft. They aren’t the same…
End of.
He doesn’t wanna play for Philadelphia because he knows the team is just shit in Philly and your guises fan base is terrible😂😂😂😂😂
same result though. end of.
No they aren’t the same situation in how it panned out. However, both players refused to play for their team before even stepping on the ice. Pretty rare to see top end talent pull that stuff & considering that it happened TO the Flyers this time is ironic.
I wonder if this becomes a more common occurrence in the years to come?
@@hockeypsychology I hope not. Or it makes the draft irrelevant. Might as well sign up the Dodgers in hockey on 1 team with deferred contracts and secure the cup for a decade. Imagine the top 5 picks 3 years in a row demanding a trade to 1 team.
@hockeypsychology the more nhl pushes player rights the more it will be. It's a shame because that's actually a really good thing but it does make the draft pointless if every player just choses the team they want
He’ll be on the LA dodgers soon too
He's more of a Philly dodger tho
😭
Lmao!
After all the fans said "I wish players had spoken about Babcock earlier," it's wild that people are criticizing a player for deciding they don't want to play in a particular organization. Pull back the media smokescreen and this is just a new college graduate realizing they don't want to flounder at a company where they're not a fit. Aside from whatever may have happened at world juniors, it's a mature decision.
Huh? How is this remotely similar? He’s never really played for Torts, how would he know how he felt? We don’t even know if he’ll remain a coach there for much longer.
What’s the point of having drafts if the players decide where they want to play?
Ghosting a team, refusing to speak to them when they travel to the World Juniors to speak to you isn’t mature what so ever.
Guys who spoke out about Babcock played under him, Babcock is known for being a bully, Tortorella can be tough but he’s not a bully and he’s been many players’ favorite coach.
It was in no way professional or "mature". Seriously wtf is this take? If you don't want to work for someone you tell them face to face, like a man.
Or you can be a child and burn bridges for NO REASON. Seriously what would it have cost Cutter to take 5 minutes and meet with the staff in Sweden to tell them again, thanks but no thanks? Absolutely nothing. This is a giant red flag to me, and speaks to some underlying immaturity, lack of mental toughness/discipline, or just plain old poor social skills. Any way you cut it, undesirable traits of a leader/super star face of a franchise.
Have fun playing in California where no one gives a shit about hockey Cutter. You might actually fit in just fine.
It was in no way professional or "mature". Seriously wtf is this take? If you don't want to work for someone you tell them face to face, like a man.
Or you can be a child and burn bridges for NO REASON. Seriously what would it have cost Cutter to take 5 minutes and meet with the staff in Sweden to tell them again, thanks but no thanks? Absolutely nothing. This is a giant red flag to me, and speaks to some underlying immaturity, lack of mental toughness/discipline, or just plain old poor social skills. Any way you cut it, undesirable traits of a leader/super star face of a franchise.
Have fun playing in California where no one gives a shit about hockey Cutter. You might actually fit in just fine.
@@ellaella5537 I don't mean to compare Torts to Babcock, Torts by all accounts is a fine coach. I meant that if we accept that players can choose to not to play for a team, and their reasons are their own, then situations like Babcock wouldn't get as far out of hand. The draft still serves its purpose since the teams get to trade draftees. I agree that refusing to speak to them at the world juniors was immature, but that shouldn't become an onus for the rest of his career.
@@ellaella5537 i cant even skate and i have loved Torts for years b4 Philly
I haven’t seen the Flyers fanbase this United in a decade.
It's a new era for the Orange & Black, man. We don't want no softies on this team. Hell, we don't want any softies on any Philly team really
You’re both right guys! In Danny, Keith and Torts we trust🎉
Then why are the fans such soft keyboard warriors
@@corytodd1690I am a lifelong rangers fan and despise the Flyers, but I’ll tell you right now, Flyers fans are not soft at all! They’re probably too tough, I’ve been to Rangers /Flyers game s dating back to when the Flyers played @ the Spectrum, female Flyers fans are tougher than male Ducks fans 😂😂😂
Get your popcorn ready when he comes to Philly for the first time 😂
oh no a bunch of meat heads will yell for 2.5 hours and that's it/
I will eat it while watching him skate circles around you guys 😂😂😂
We will be waiting!
He gonna get when he comes to town freaking whimp didnt have the guts to face danny b he's a punk @@GavinKlostermann
What you think is going to happen?
This happening isn't as rare as you think. It's happened to the Ducks multiple times, even as recent as last year with Henry Thrun.
Elaborate, please
@matrix_killer2455 thrun a college free agent refused to sign with the Ducks after completing his college career and signed with the sharks instead. Same thing happened with Justin Schultz when he left Anaheim for Edmonton coming out of College
@@daniellowry660 At least with Thrun the Ducks got a draft pick back. Schultz kept saying he wanted to play for the Ducks up until he was a FA.
@@fk3095 Yeah, the Schultz situation is the worst by far. When the talent you drafted lies to the team for so long he becomes a free agent and the team gets nothing is completely fucked. At least the Flyers got another great young talent in return. The Ducks got nothing for Schultz.
different from being drafted@@daniellowry660
Not a Flyers fan, but do want to point out that Lindros made his intention known to both the team and the public. Not some childish ghosting.
With this guy and Zegras the ducks will be pretty full of personalities, that begs the question of who's there to actually play hockey except for Terry
Are you serious? Lol they are #1 on future watch having the best prospect and young players which just got even stronger now. You clearly haven't paid any attention to them at all. They are stacked. If I had to choose to lose 1, it would be Terry.
I'm more so worried about how they'll pay the plethora of elite players they have on their roster.
@@brandona9326I want u to come back to this in a few years
mctavish and Carlson are not bad pieces …
Zegras won't be on the Ducks long though...but, not sure what team will want him!
Clearly he lost respect for the organization. He didn’t owe them shit anyways.
I watch a lot of hockey content and this channel is 3 years old, I'm kind of pissed it was just today a video from this channel came up on as a recommended video. Great content. Great analysis and breakdowns of the game from the videos I've watched so far.
Are tickets for his Philly debut on sale yet?
i was at the draft in '91 with eric lindros. went to the 1990 and 1991 drafts. awesome times back then, when you could scope out different tables on the phone and figure out which franchise was talking with which etc
This is one of those things where I agree with both sides.
If Gauthier doesn't want to play for Philly, he's fine to do that. Blake Wheeler didn't want to play for the Coyotes, Justin Schultz with the Ducks and Jimmy Vesey with Nashville.
Unlike those situations, Philly is actually coming out way ahead because they got an NHL caliber player AND likely top 10 2nd round pick. Gauthier could have just waited till his college career was over and walked, but by making this known, the Flyers got a return.
I'm also cool with Philly being mad and agree that yeah they should be happy to ship out anybody who doesn't want to be there.
I don't think Torts is serious saying he doesn't know Cutter from "a hole in the wall," but if he is, that's pretty bad on his part and actually reinforces Gauthier's position of not wanting to be in Philly. Cutter's not some UDFA, he's Torts' 5th overall pick from his first year with the team. That's a guy he should be expecting big things from and be in contact with.
As a rookie you have no say in a team. Just be happy your drafted… karma may be coming his way.
Draftees are GM picks, not coaches'
@@DaEagles71024Brock Faber basically did the same thing with the Kings but told the Kings he only wanted to play with the Wild. You know what the Kings did? Traded him to the Wild in a package deal for Fiala. It’s not a big deal and to think “karma” is going to get him is stupid. Karma doesn’t work that way when you’re making a decision you feel is right. Karma is only when a person is back stabbed or did something shady, neither happened here.
Correct and my phrasing was there. I just meant that Cutter was the team's first selection while Torts was a part of the organization and it probably would behoove him to be well, well aware of the dude.
He was a top 5 pick, there was 0 doubt he'd be drafted, it was a matter of where. If he were 6th/7th round pick, sure a little humility would do, but when your draft status is assured, you can put a little more thought into where you want to be@@DaEagles71024
Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman reported that on Tuesday that the issue stemmed from the Flyers not signing Gauthier to a contract last year. Supposedly, the team did not want a bonus overage carrying into the 2023-24 season, and that was enough to upset Gauthier ads his camp.
Mad respect for Danny Briere. Even tho Cutter was mad unprofessional, Briere recognizes he's still a kid and still tries to protect him even tho he disrespected the organization. Speaks to the kind of guy Danny is.
Ray Bourque said he was a Habs fan when growing up in Montreal. He went on to say the day the Bruins drafted him was the day he stopped being a Habs fan.
I really hope it’s not because he grew up as a Penguins fan. There are tons of players who grew up a fan of one team and go on to play for their arch rivals
who cares, he will have success regardless, and who cares about philly anyway thb. i wouldn't want to play in that shit hole let alone live there lol.
interesting that lots of players do@@ericanderson735
Very debatable@@ericanderson735
So many stories. Charlie McAvoy,who grew up as a diehard Rangers fan on Long Island,once tweeted (as a teenager) that "I hate the Bruins so much". Of course,he gets drafted by the Bruins and has a great career. Mike Richter grew up a Flyers fan,and said,after being drafted by the Rangers,that all his Flyers posters,bumper stickers,etc came off his car and walls
You give 100% to the team and fans whose logo is on your paycheck. If the Habs, whom I despise, offered me a league minimum contract, they would get nothing less than 100% out of me. But I'm not a Cutter Gauthier-kind of guy.
Excellent overview, as always. Thank you. Blowing off the Flyers when they went to speak with him in Sweden is pretty disrespectful. I fail to think of any scenario it would be justified. I think he didn't want to play for Torts and I absolutely think fellow Boston College alum Kevin Hayes was a factor in Gauthier changing his mind.
As a lifelong Flyers fan, I'm excited to welcome Drysdale to the team. It will all work out in the end.
Nahhhhh people are putting a lot more blame on Visor than he deserves. Not like he’s doing particularly well since moving to stl lol
Who would want to play for tort for tots? He’s a well known asshole and he’d be in charge of your life from ages 18-22… like, fuck all of that.
I don't blame him for blowing them off in Sweden, he is there to win a gold medal not talk contract/team stuff. Would a team try to approach a player in the playoffs to try to talk to him about something not related to the playoffs. He is there to focus on winning the gold. That was a dumb move on the Flyers part. He is well w/in his right to not sign, the CBA even protects him in doing so, it's kind of crappy to not give a reason but that's their decision. What's the point of having a cba if you aren't going to use it.
>Philadelphia fans talking about respect
Truly, life has become stranger than fiction.
@@brianlb78agreed, just being up front would have been the right thing to do but his reasons are pretty irrelevant. As far as we know something deeply personal came up and now the news and internet trolls won’t stay out of his business. The flyers didn’t exactly get a raw deal out of it either, assuming drysdale stays healthy, he looked solid against Montreal last night
Philly fans are going to love Drysdale. As far as Gauthier goes, I think Ducks fans will be very happy with this trade as well...in time. I have a feeling there is a whole lot missing that the regular fan base may never know about. Looking at any past interviews Cutter seemed genuinely excited to be with the Flyers. Something obviously happened to change that. He didn't seem like a pre-Madana type at all over the past year. Not that I could see anyway. Maybe this will all come out at some point. It would be interesting, that's for sure. Regardless. Philly is going to enjoy every bit of what Drysdale brings once he fills out and gets a little more experience.
Thought to myself...wow there are actually some level headed philly fans. Then i saw your @
WTH is a pre-madana? Sorry, man, solid comment, but that pre-madana thing made laugh... (It's primadonna, btw - first lady in Italian, the main lady who sings in an opera)
@@jor-el1298 HA! That's when hockey fans try to get sophisticated. Maybe I should try going to an opera now, but I doubt there will be any checking, so probably not.
@@jor-el1298 Why are you being such a gramma pre-madana?
@@AnaheimRob
There’s far more blood spilt in opera than hockey. 😉😉
I have a friend that was a top 10 pick, he said the team that picked him interviewed him 11 times. He said they asked if we play against you childhood fave team what would you do. Even stuff like foods, colors, people he liked and hated. He said it would be really hard to lie and keep it straight. Also lie not knowing who will draft you. So Quitter Gauthier was for sure interviewed many times by many teams and didnt change his mind until after the draft.
No he didn’t change his mind till after Flyers didn’t offer him a contract
It's obvious he changed his mind when the flyers didn't sign him last year. He wanted the 1st year of his ELC burned so he could make millions more and they didnt do it forcing him to go back to college for a usless year.... so he got pissed off in his dorms and planned this. You cant screw around with star prospects and expect it to work out. Rookie GM mistake.
Interviewed 11 times? Foods, colours - how is that relevant to hockey?
I hope your friend dismissed the bs questions.
@@threethrushes Zion Willamson comes to mind, Charles Barkley. Food was very relevant to their ability to maintain weight and conditioning.
Although the other stuff can be tough to answer, the first one should be fairly simple. If your goal is to be a pro hockey player AND you know you’re projected to go high in the draft, you’re answer is always your new to is your team period…that’s one of your responsibilities as a professional for having the privilege to play a game for a living. Drew Doughty should be the poster child for all kids looking to be drafted (aside from debatably the “fitness” controversy lol).
Torts is always good for a kickass quote.
That's about all he is good for.
Your whole page has to be one of the best rabbit holes I’ve everrr fallen down?!!! Haha 17 years playing here in merry old England many years retired and more then appreciating the content dude?!
Oooh burn, being "Public Enemy #1 in Philly" hasn't really hurt Crosby. He has 54 goals, 71 assists vs Flyers.
He's Sidney Crosby...
Welcome the yinzer to the chat.
Seems like that there is more to this story than him just deciding he didn't want to play for Philly. Friedman recently reported that Philly chose to not sign him two years in a row, and he told them in May of 2023 that he wanted out due to that.
Torts response 🤣🤣🤣 guy is gold.
very bad and selfish coach
He’s salty
NHL script writers are on point. Crosby on the verge of retiring the flyers fans needed a new villain
Are you kidding, the script writers are furious the ducks got such a good player
Even as a Flyers fan I admit that Crosby has had a hell of a career. hell I'll go as far as to say he's probably one of my favorite players as a general hockey fan
@@GenshinLover283 you’re not wrong in the slightest. Dont get me wrong, I hate Crosby but there’s no denying the fact how amazing he is and if he were a flyer I’d love him.
People are hating on him for this but he took a little agency and control over his life. Players have to live where they play, if they don't want to live in a certain city then they should supported when they try to move. Lots of players have no trade clauses with lists of teams they don't want to play with, nobody gives them crap.
Players either live in luxury highrise condos in Center City or the mansions in NJ/Philly suburbs. I've traveled all over the country and it's as nice to live here as anywhere else; and he's not a top 3 prospect, just a fuckin pussy.
Because it's above board and upfront, not this cowardly ghosting high school shit
Lindros let the team know beforehand that he didn’t wanna be drafted. Also lindros was right to not commit there bc they were a failing team and ended up relocating anyway. He wanted something more stable.
And won the stanley cup the same year so…
@@MAM11234using assets they got from trading the Lindross rights, including Patrick Roy. Very likely they don’t win that cup without making that trade.
Haha, WHAT? They weren't a failing team, they won the cup that year as the Avs. The reason had nothing to do with the team and everything to do with the Owner who sexually harassed him.
Isn't nearly early pick going to a struggling organization?...
Well the assault makes more sense. Just being a diva and not wanting to be a bad team is pretty stupid because that’s what the top picks are. Not very sound logic there
I have got to get tickets to the first game he plays against the Philadelphia Flyers! Definitely on my bucket list.
This is one of those things where I agree with both sides.
If Gauthier doesn't want to play for Philly, he's fine to do that. Blake Wheeler didn't want to play for the Coyotes, Justin Schultz with the Ducks and Jimmy Vesey with Nashville.
Unlike those situations, Philly is actually coming out way ahead because they got an NHL caliber player AND likely top 10 2nd round pick. Gauthier could have just waited till his college career was over and walked, but by making this known, the Flyers got a return.
I'm also cool with Philly being mad and agree that yeah they should be happy to ship out anybody who doesn't want to be there.
I don't think Torts is serious saying he doesn't know Cutter from "a hole in the wall," but if he is, that's pretty bad on his part and actually reinforces Gauthier's position of not wanting to be in Philly. Cutter's not some UDFA, he's Torts' 5th overall pick from his first year with the team. That's a guy he should be expecting big things from and be in contact with.
The way the management was acting gave me bad vibes. The Torts interview was the worst part for me because he seemed bitter and like he was trying to make the kid seem irrelevant. They avoid discussing any reasons why Cutter didn't want to be there and simply tried to save face by saying good riddance.
@@randomshizFM It's like when you let go of one of your biggest talents in some sort of agency and say "their impact will be negligible" and then they rock the shit out of your performance as a group by themselves.
We don't know the understory. May be Cutter and the management already had a strained relationship. IMO, all the managers lining up to throw the kid under the bus going as far as the coach saying he doesn't know him "from a hole in the wall" (whatever that means), gives bad management vibes. Seems like everyone should be happy with the trade.
The kid put the Flyers' organization in a very, very bad negotiating position. Shows very bad character.
Well said 👌
the flyers fanbase gets pissed off anytime someone holds a door for someone.
Devils fan here. I genuinely don’t see why this is a big deal. I don’t play hockey but if I did and I ended up being drafted by the Rangers, I wouldn’t want to play for them either. So I really don’t see any issues with not wanting to play for a particular team. If anyone would like to (kindly) explain what everyone is so upset about, I’ll gladly listen, but it just really doesn’t seem like a big deal. Thoughts?
I believe it's because many kids dream of playing in the NHL and hockey fans see a team drafting a kid as the team giving him an opportunity to make the dreams of many come true and refusing to play for that team is like him saying "uh, no thanks, I'd rather not be a pro athlete making millions to play a game that many people have to pay just to play". Honestly it's ridiculous, plus the hockey media just needs something new to talk about every 15 minutes so they often get desperate enough to make a mountain out of a mole hill, which is the main reason I would never play for a Canadian team and I'm Canadian
That’s the difference between a fan and a player
Kid had his reasons for whatever reason it was that’s up to him. Maybe it was personal issue where his family wanted him to be in Anaheim or even the west coast. Maybe he was told by his new team mates not to come because of the coach, or maybe he thought he wouldn’t have the right opportunity to play like he wanted to in Philly. I just hope he has a good career and plays his best and if he plays against Philly they don’t taunt him out of playing in the nhl.
You should do a “when you piss off an entire league” and put Nick Cousins LMAO
When this kid eventually signs or demands a trade to the Penguins every game against the Flyers will be must watch
I just discovered your channel today and damn your content is rich varied and very insightful keep up the great content 👍
I like the guy and give the Ducks credit for a fair deal,they are the team taking the risk but I think Both teams come up roses.Philly is doing just Dandy for a team in rebuild,things are looking good there,Be Happy guys,you are doing so well without blowing the team up and that young stud from Ontario is just hitting stride and getting close to a goal a game.
Philly refuses to rebuild and so they get 3 playoff appearances in 10 years. This is a big piece of their future gone but organizationally they've made themselves mid for decades.
Lindros got the Avalanche/Nordiques 2 cups so it all worked out.
Flyers are overdue for a cup run.
Management never looks in the mirror- there is a reason for something like this. Maybe he just doesn’t want to live in Philly?
I do find it abit mad how they seemingly have no say with which team they actually want to play for anyway.
keeps everything fair
Why should they? They're q nobody who hasn't done anything yet. They should feel grateful to be given an opportunity
@@CubeInspector exactly. they’re kids who are about to make a boat load of cash playing sports lol be grateful and go play for the team that picks you up
@@damnfinecoffee224 Meh you said yourself, they're kids. They're kids being sent into a physically taxing league full of grown men who could easily end any kid's career in a heartbeat; not to mention if they're put on a team that is both dogshit and unwilling to invest in their own players, I don't think it's that unrealistic to want a team that isn't going to handicap them for 4+ years just because they're making "boat loads of cash", they're still human...
I think rookies should at least have some sort of freedom to have the option to select like 5 teams that they'd want to play for and 5 others that they'd want to avoid and let the draft do the rest...
The idea of getting put on a team that you have absolutely zero say over is laughable and a massive recipe for disaster.
@@CubeInspector Indeed
The draft is there to promote parity,it is not a job fair
Crazy to me that Lindros gets criticism for obviously having the moral upper hand in not wanting to play for someone accused of sexual harassment -- more players should take a stance like that to not enable gross behavior in sports and imo we should praise a player for taking a stance based on morals instead of criticize them for some sort of "professionalism".....
Lindros demanded a trade because he didnt like the french speaking nature of what was the quebec nordiques. I never heard anyone talk about sexual harassment being the reason, but sounds like the NHL too cover it up if true.
Sexual harassment??? WTF are you on dude???
The sexual harassment accusations were in 2015 almost a decade after Lindros had retired. Lindros didn't want to play in a Francophone market, he may have not liked the owner as well but he had no idea he was an alleged sexual harasser so no we shouldn't be praising Lindros in this situation and do basic research before we make moralist reactionary statements.
Didn't want to be in a small city like Quebec and add the French speaking aspect thats all... nothing to do with any type of sexual harassment or anything of the sort.
This is the opposite of Lindros. Lindros told Quebec he was not going to play for them and they took him anyways. Gauthier never said he didn't want to play for the Flyers until way after he was drafted. The comparison isn't there. It's much closer to something like PLD or Drouin being mad at where they're at.
Top prospects flop all the time. He can turn it up in an easy route at a World Juniors but becoming a stud in the NHL is a different story. The emotionalism behind this trade may become totally irrelevant in 3-5 years. Idk I wish him the best, wish he wanted to play for us, but he's got a right to make this move.
Lets not forget that Peter Forsberg was drafted and traded by the Flyers in the Lindros deal. If the kid doesn't want to player for the orange and black then we don't want him.
Forsberg won two cups, I'm sure he's alright. Lindros just got smoked by the Devils' his entire career.
His favorite player growing up was Sidney Crosby he was a fan of the Pittsburgh Penguins and he was drafted to the Flyers of course he was upset. He was a fan boy instead of being a professional. Sidney Crosby would not act like that.
Can’t help but feel like Torterella’s comment about not knowing Cutter from a hole in the wall is part of the reason he doesn’t want to join your organization. What player wants to play for a coach that can’t even recognize him as one of their top prospects who just tied for the most points at the world juniors? (Also I’m absolutely loving watching Philly fans cry about this after like 4 teams had to pass on Michkov a few months ago because he refused to play for anyone but the flyers)
Because respect begets respect
Easy to understand
The comment came after
What is Torts to do, why waste time on the disrespect his organization was given?
Is he supposed to praise him?
Drysdale immediately made an impact in his 1st game with a foreign (to him) defensive system.
Cutter is at best a guessing game as he has not proven anything at the NHL level.
And i do not hate him
i am just loving the outcome was an awesome R H shot solid D man who can move the puck
When Michove gets here,the futures so bright Flyers will need shades
Best of luck to to kid tho
lol what? Mitchkov made it known BEFORE a team drafted him he really wanted to be a flyer but he never said he wouldn’t sign or play for whoever drafted him, but even if he did it’s a huge difference to say that before a team drafts you compared to mere months after…not even close to the same. There were multiple reasons teams passed on mitchkov with him being Russian and with the Ukraine conflict still making him a gamble to take because he more then likely won’t be in the NHL before 2026 being another huge reason
Who could blame him … he’s not a goon 😂
i dont think Cutter really cares. he is going to be great. that said lets not try and pretend like the Flyers are some great organization that is know for developing's you players.
Adam Fox for the Flames. Drafted refused to play so we had to trade. Anytime he comes to Calgary we boo him when he touches the puck.
Tortorella said yesterday “I don’t know Cutter from a hole in the wall.” That says a lot. Eli Manning and John Elway both refused to play for the teams that drafted them and went on to win 4 Super Bowls between them. Gauthier won’t be afraid of the rare DUcks-FLyers game. He’ll be psyched to show he made the right decision.
Yeah well Tortorella ain't winning a cup anytime soon.
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Kind of a moot point when it comes to NHL, Eric Lindros refused to play for Nordiques, Nordiques win cup the year they move to Colorado. Mario Lemieux doesn't want to play for Pittsburgh but then puts a brave face and sticks to that team, rest is history.
@@klingonradarthe Nordiques/Avalanche got both Forsberg and Roy as part of the trade tree from Lindross. They don’t win a cup if they don’t trade him away
@@gggooodddyyy Roy ended up in Colorado because he didn't like Mario Tremblay, Didn't have anything to do with the Lindros trade.
Can I just say that I don't see the issue with this situation? I mean, if he signed and then didn't perform, it would have been worse for him and for the team with the cap and all that. I'd rather trade someone who doesn't want to play with my team rather than trying and force him into it.
It’s typically Philly fans no class
There is a differrence between Lindros and Cutter. Lindros told Quebec he did not want to play for them before they drafted him, and they still drafted him. Cutter told the Flyers he wanted to be here pre draft and after draft, then switched up on them with no explantion to offer.
I was at the game last night and missed Tippet’s goal because I was reading the headline.
After watching the video, I was wondering: does anyone have a video of the Lindros vs. Quebec match?
I am new for NHL. Can someone explain me what is a big deal?
Dude doesn't want to play with one team so he changed it for another.
Nothing bad at first glance.
If he was a proven veteran NHL player sure. Typically when you're 18-26 most kids are just happy to play at the NHL level and don't have much say in who they play for unless they go undrafted. Philadelphia drafted him with a very high pick because Cutter told them he would play for them. He changed his mind a few months after being drafted shafting Philly pretty hard as Philly could have used that pick on a kid who would play for them. This kid has potential but hasn't played a single game in the NHL yet. Shows bad class and petulance on Cutter's part.
Nothing really, he is well within his CBA rights to do this, which many seem to forgot. People are just mad because he is a young kid and not giving a reason.
I wouldn't want to play for the Flyers either haha. The Flyers are that team nobody really likes (other than Philly) but love having around to just watch them humiliate themselves. The fans do so more than anything. This is just pure comedy and I hope cutter absolutely slays it in Anaheim or with whatever team he may settle into. It would be poetic if he wound up in Pittsburgh. I freaking would love to see that happen hahaha. Great video! Always enjoy a good Flyers clowning bit.
Lindros told Quebec he didn't want to go there, this kid said he wanted Philly
This isn't the 80s or 90s. The players have more flash and athletic abilities no doubt, but there's no metric that compares today's players to that. The Gretzkys, Lemeiuxs, dare I even say the Crosbys, Malkins and Ovis played through a way tougher physical game, and still be amazing.
This will come back, hopefully no one like Scott Stevens who wanted your soul.
And don't forget, Lindros was encouraged to destroy players with absolutely no respect.
With the advent of harsher rules on players having less code, these kids like Bedard are gonna get hit harder and harder.
Scott Stevens as a Dman has more points and three more cups than Lindros. The guys aren't even comparable Stevens was a much more efficient hockey player.
Why doesn't this kid want to play for the Flyers, an organization that's universally respected and known for its class!?! Philadelphia fans are thoughtful, loyal and renowned for their sportsmanship. Everyone know that. This franchise is synonymous with excellence as the Anaheim Ducks, Boston Bruins, Calgary Flames, Carolina Hurricanes, Chicago Blackhawks, Colorado Avalanche, Dallas Stars, Detroit Red Wings, Edmonton Oilers, Los Angeles Kings, Montreal Canadiens, New Jersey Devils, New York Islanders, New York Rangers, Pittsburgh Penguins, St Louis Blues, Tampa Bay Lightning, Vegas Golden Knights and Washington Capitals are the only teams to have won the Cup more recently than the Flyers!
Man I never though I’d feel bad for the flyers but i do, I hope drysdale really helps you guys a ton
Maybe he just knows he won’t fit in with the ways things are ran there and decided to jump ship. I like drysdale but he is always getting injured so I don’t see him doing much unless he can stay healthy
Why feel bad for that piece of shit city, and their subhuman fans?
A penguins fan I respect
Hopes he doesn't and the whole flyers organization missed the playoffs for the next decade 🤣🤣
F the flyers
You make an entire video comparing the kid's decision to Eric Lindros, and state how much Philadelphia as an organization wouldn't want someone like that, but then fail to connect the dots that they had no problem giving up the farm for the very same Eric Lindros you are comparing the kid to? So the way I see it is that the organization is pretty hypocritical, to chastise this kid for his behavior, when they were first in line to go after Lindros when he did the same thing
Jamie is a great kid, went to the same elementary school. He just always loved hockey and was always stoked to be playing
But when the islanders get pissed at a player the league says there crybaby’s even though John Tavares kept saying he was an islander for life
I'm with you with everything, 100%. Well, no.
The fact that a prospect of any team mention that he is a dire hard fan of Crosby, or any fame players of that caliber, you mention it as if it was scandalous llol.
"you can"t make this stuff up" you said.
Like... WHAT? Do you think prospects get their memory erased when they are drafted by any random team? Let's not become stupid ON TOP of an already difficult situation.
Lindros happened before social media, keep that in mind before over dramatising the choice made by litteral kids. We don't know enough to judge the decision anyway, so adding drama is just recipe for disaster. You, as someone who does content for a social media should know that more than anyone.
Flyers' FANS are right to feel pissed and robbed, whatever the reason this mess happened. But outside that, let's AT LEAST know the facts before forming an informed opinion. We don't know whether Tort is the cause, so why speculate?
What I find more irritating is to see the freaking same coach again and again and again and again in rotation around the league for the past decades. We also don't know what so many of them have done or saw or let happen during all those decades, let's keep that in mind; players have inside info we do not have or won't surface for a long time.
Plus the way Tort himself replied to the question is so freaking passive aggressive and classless. Just say IDK and wish everyone good luck and period, next question. About a freaking kid lol, it's just pathetic I'm sorry. He knows him as little as a "hole in a wall", about the first round draft pick of the team you're coaching, who just became the MVP for a gold medal... Sure Tort, suuuure.
But many love that kind of drama and BS or raging over stuff that we don't even know.
Also what does Tort's performance as a coach right now have anything to do with the situation? I REALLY thought after Chicago, people would be more careful to not equate performance with a locker room that isn't a huge problem, etc.
You NEVER know what is going on in a locker room. What if an incident happened recently in Philly's locker room that wasn't dealt the proper way, something that strongly force the kid's agent and himself to make such a difficult decision, knowing full well he would be crucified... Is it not more plausible than any other surface reasons you proposed?
It's my guess anyway, and if I'm right I think it will be uncovered, and Tort might lose his life membership position as coach of any NHL team.
Let's wait either way.
Exactly! We don't know enough yet on the situation to judge!
But Torts reaction was more than classless, that's for sure.
2 reasons for this: 1. He’s a Gen Z Superstar, and 2. He doesn’t want to get yelled at by Torts (a corollary of 1.)
And, as much as you want to hate and blame him for it, it’s just the way he was trained. Most kids of a certain socioeconomic status have never even had to talk on the phone to an adult they don’t know, let alone had to deal with media and team management (both of whom will CERTAINLY have some uncomfortable questions about hanging a team out to dry) in a multi billion dollar global industry. And when you add just enough of the narcissistic entitlement necessary to become a premier talent, this is what you get (btw, it’s the same for all those kids w/o the talent and their crummy jobs in their crummy home towns).
Not sure how this compares. With everything they got for Lindros, the Nordiques/Avalanche became a force for the next ten years and won two Cups. That fanbase should love Lindros in hindsight. This simply won't make any kind of wave like that, and I would be shocked if Gauthier doesn't slow quit on every team he plays for once things get rough. Making Pierre-Luc Dubois vibes.
As a Quebec fan, I think Lindros did more to make Quebec/Colorado into a championship team than he did for the Flyers.
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Exactly.
Lindros told the Nords he didn't want to go there, Cutter never said that(before the draft.) Get your story straight.
To be fair to the kid he probably just doesn’t want to be shot in the dangerous streets of Philadelphia.
"To be fair to the kid he probably just doesn’t want to be shot in the dangerous streets of Philadelphia."
LOL That was funny ,but i doubt the millionaires hang out anywhere near Kingston
But that made me chuckle
The USA , esp big cities,are very dangerous across the board
Esp for school kids it seems sad to admit
More people are leaving, and relocating from California then any other state in the country.
@@leperlord7078 For school kids, it's dangerous. But here's a fun fact, most weapons recovered in crimes where trafficked from southern states.
Indeed they are,and per capita the red states/small towns etc are more dangerous@@halvarmc671
Pretty confident this is your best piece yet, and the way you ended it was phenomenal; Will be beyond interesting to watch his first game on the road against Philly.
Get this kid on the Penguins!
Mario Lemieux and Lindros were the same. Too good for their own egos.
Why do people not remember Mario being a stuck up piece of shit, only to eventually buy the team. Spoiled cry babies. Probably why Kharma cut his career short, and he'll never be anything close to the Great One!
People making this too big a deal.
I was at the flyers penguins game as this all unfolded, got the notification and everyone and I mean EVERYONE was losing their minds over this trade.
I have a feeling the Flyers dodged a bullet here.
Love the dramatic music in the background !
Yo you should make a video about Jim Montgomery’s 41-1-2 season in college and how it connects to the bruins record breaking szn
Gauthier wishes he could rock those frosted tips like Lindros!
Lindros got crucified and he’s 10x the player this kid is. Not a good look lol
And lindros shouldn't have been crucified especially given his reasons for not wanting to play with the Nordiques. Until Cutter or his agent actually gives a reason folks shouldn't be crucifying him. Boo him on the ice if you want but don't make him out to be this horrible person when you don't even know his side of it.
Best explanation I've seen. Thanks!
It started off with the mispronunciation of his name. If you’re gonna draft someone (in this case your first pick!) make sure you know how to say their name properly otherwise you obviously get off on the wrong foot.
Secondly, if you actually want to keep your first round draft pick on your team, make sure to put your coach in check and aligned before his first discussion with such a player. Those two things solved for in advance, he would still be a flyer today.
dude your videos are high quality!
As a pens fan, and an avid hater of the Flyers, this is hilarious
Glad the thousands of people I saw saying they wanted Bedard to do this weren't rewarded with their wish.
Bedard is a class act
It sure sounds like it's the fans in Philly who are being the big babies.
They always have been
Cry about it?
Love following your stuff. Keep up the good work!
1st vid I've ever seen of his that was pure shit. He got it wrong flat out.
If he refused to play for Flyers because of Tortorella, that is insanely soft.
We don't know. Torts may have a lot in common with Babcock...
@@tomblade I doubt it. There’s never been any rumors like that about Torts. In this day and age, players would leak inappropriate stuff like Babcock was doing to the media.
He changed his mind about playing for the Flyers at the exact moment the Flyers pronounced his name wrong at the draft :) Ruined a special moment he has worked for all his life ;)
Lindros made it public he would never play for the nordiques. Cutter claimed he was born to be a flyer. Big difference
All the salty Flyers fans has me feeling all giddy lmaooo
I like how your presenting your videos now feels like watching The Vox documentary
I'm a Canes fan, I see an Adam Fox situation here.
Adam fox burnt calgary. Eff that guy
Timing is everything and kudos to the Flyers for putting their foot down, trading him when his value is highest off the WJC, and got a return with a player who wants to play there. Not a Flyers fan, but a Devils fan, but you gotta respect them doing what they gotta do
I don’t know why Flyers fans or Flyers media would be upset by this. If this young man had made up his mind that playing for Philadelphia would be miserable, for whatever reason, real or imaginary, then it’s a GOOD thing that he’s gone from the Flyers’ organization. Disgruntled employees are bad news in any place of work, especially in a team-oriented workplace. Making Cutter “public enemy #1” is pathetic and childish; Philly fans should be HAPPY that a selfish and unhappy player is gone.
Nobody wants to play for Tortorella. Just a fact.
Professional hockey is a job. If you don't like the company you work for, you look to make a change. Why should this be any different? The draft only gives teams rights to sign, not ownership of, a player. More players should exercise their rights within the system.
Well draft in fans eyes is more like marriage. Commitment to that team at least for 3-4 first years. Especially if you are high draft pick. If you are late pick nobody really cares. So that's why it's betrayal to Philly fans.
The decision to decieve Philly is the worst part of it. To say to their face youre "Built to be a Flyer" and subsequently refuse to play for thag team, speams volumes as him as a person. Shows a selfish teammate and a snake in the grass. Even in Anaheim they aren't going to love him in the locker room for that
There's a new report saying flyers won't sign him in 22-23 as it'll affect their cap for 23-24. This can be the trigger gauthier change of heart.
When a snake tells you s/he is a snake,believe them and act accordingly
This aint about the kids rights,this is about him being a snake.
Supposedly Kevin Hayes' name was thrown into this story . The story goes that Hayes told him not to play for Torts
which was shot down by Hayes
@@geraldarmstrong5646Of course he shot it down. Do you expect him to admit he did?
the trade timing was hilarious though lmao
probably the best time, if you want to be real about it
As a member of the Ducks he'll play one game a season in Philly. It won't matter to him at all how mad Flyers fans are at him.
LA fans never forgave Rob Blake for demanding to be traded, but he continued to play at All-World level.