Devadasis - beautiful, talented & powerful women. False narratives BUSTED. Dr.Arathi VB. Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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Dr Arathi V B, a scholar in Sanskratm & Indology, is well known in the fields of Academic research and Behavioural & Soft-skills Training.
She is the Founder and Chairperson of Vibhu Academy, a Centre for Softskills Training and Indology www.vibhuacademy.com. She is a Consultant faculty at ACT and Guest Faculty at Jain University, Bengaluru.
With a qualification of MA & PhD (Sanskrtam) and M.Music and Training in Lay Counselling, she has taught Sanskrtam and Aesthetics in VVS, NMKRV colleges and Jain University. She is proficient in handling unique topics like Indian concepts of Management, Culture, Aesthetics and Philosophy. She hosts regular online courses and workshops to educate students across the world.
Dr Arathi is widely travelled and has so far handled more than 100 Behavioural Training workshops for Corporates, Bankers, Educational institutions and NGOs and has presented research papers at state and national conferences.
Dr Arathi is an Orator, Writer, Columnist, Singer & Instrumentalist and is skilled in Poetry & Painting. She is a popular Resource Person for Kannada Radio & TV channels. A recipient of many honours within and outside India, she is a Philanthropist and Lay counsellor, associated with the services of many NGOs. #bharat #women
Too Good, Dr. Arathi ji. Pranam from me, A SANATANA DHARMIC AMBASSADOR, USA.
Someone like Arathi ji should be made a national figure. I have read so many of her incredible columns in Kannada news daily, Vijaya Karnataka, and have been mesmerized by her erudition, knowledge of Sanatana Samskriti, and our Itihasa, absolutely delightful command of Kannada language... list is endless.
What bothers me is that people who claim to be part of Indic wing, guys like Abhijit Iyer Mitra or Kushal Mehra, get all the attention as SM influencers. Our young minds get exposed to their vitriolic against Brahmins and the "evils" of caste system constantly. It is one thing such incendiary Brahmin-hatred coming from Leftists, which probably can be filtered away by our Hindu youth, but it's another when this nonsense gets thrust down their throat by the so-called "defenders of dharma."
I have always maintained that lot of bad things happened in our society as ossification of jati paddhati and distortion of Varnaashrama dharma happened with the decline of Bharat due to various historical reasons. Every society goes through these phases. Nothing stays the same. But our society was lot more fluid and ergodic. No one was chained to a place or a group in perpetuity. Communities rose in wealth and status and then failed, got pushed into the periphery and then disappeared due to changes happening in society on economic, political or cultural fronts. Islamic invasion and European colonization further threw our society into a highly defensive mode and Hindu society weakened considerably during these times. It's during such cataclysmic times, the "good" in the society becomes dormant. it's never lost, and the bad practices come to surface.
This is why we need people with right knowledge to explain this. I always listened to Sri Bannanje Govinda Acharaya ji for all my clarifications on these questions. Our young people need "Aaptas" whom they can trust to give a true picture. And Aarathi ji is one of those Aaptas. I truly wish her wisdom falls into the ears of Hindus across the land.
I agree
Progress is .. 🙄
90-100% of the women are
being treated as Commodity
Now a days that our so called
Intellectual minds couldn't find
& Don't agree .. 👍
But pointing out the ancient system on a 0.1% systems
Problem and Exaggerating it
In to large & with the lengthy
Discussion s ..
The problem is not only with
The system .. from where to
Where the women are really
Transformed .. in terms of
Taking Different descions , Freedom, Authoritative , supremacy & her impact
Whether it is really a Good
Or Bad .. Honestly must be
Discussed & Assessed on different tables ..
Without Discrimination..
Not just in Gender .. but in the
Discussion s itself too ..
I think they don't take place ..
In present days World ..
Probably can expect in future
Some 2030 or 2040 .. to talk
About in the sense .. why not ...
ಅಪಾರ ಜ್ನ್ಯಾನ ಸಂಪತ್ತಿನ ಕಣಜ. 🙏🏼.
Hare Krishna, Arathi Ji, beautiful talk on Dev Dasi's. We carry the Ikshwaku Virya & we Rajeshirke family descended in Ikshwaku Kula, we are Royal Kuladhipati. Kindly accept our pranam! It is high time to cherish our great culture, we would be honoured to support the holy culture & Rangabhoomi of Devadasi. It would be great to reinforce powerful women in our temples our novel Devadasis. Our Kulaswamini Kamoti Kamakshi shall bless us. Sri Maharajni Namaha, Sri Anvesh Dattaram Rajeshirke (Ram Gharana) [Founder of EAST INDIA CHATRAPATI LTD]
Dr Arati has beautifully explained devadasinis, brahmanism, embracing truth and reality, the need to know one's own country's heritage, culture, emancipation of women even in earlier centuries etc.
P G Narayanan
Mahari Parasmani Devadasi was the last person in this tradition who passed away on July 11,2024. With her passing this tradition ends for ever. 🙏🙏
Debadasis were highly influential temple girls. Who were important for temple ceremonies imparting education and management of temples.... as they received huge sums of alms and exercised influence some of the local socially and economically deprived families also started turning their daughters into dedasis but they had no official status and no role inside temples. They simply stood as beggers outside the temple received alms and engaged in all sorts of activities that they could.
On the other hand the Church in Europe owned and maintained brothels and prostitutes. Church made a handsome amount of money from prostitution so they looked at it from the same perspective they purposefully failed to distinguish between the true devadasis and the abondoned female offsprings of poor families in temple vicinity ...!!
So painful.
We lost the tradition. Is there anybody who could studied from her ?
By the by .. All the Cool
sessions , Perfect script s
Explanation s , Discussion s
& Narration s as well having
Some Knowledge over through
are not really Considered to be
True ..
I can listen to Dr Aarthi ji 4ever. Her Gita lecture on RUclips is mind blowing.
Thank you PRANA Stories for this Conversation with Dr ARATHI 👌👍❤️
Thank you Prana stories. I gained a lot listening to Smt. Sinu Joseph, on temple science and women’s entry in Sabarimala. She has explained scientifically why it is not good for women themselves to go to certain temples.
Very well said that if someone goes to western world they are progressive...it's high time that we feel proud to be in India
Excellent. All are facts. Today's people should be made aware of the truth. Good work.
1934 Bombay Devadasi Protection Act,
1957 Bombay Protection (Extension) Act,
1988 Andhra Pradesh Devadasi (Prohibition of Dedication) Act
WHY THEY DON'T TEACH US THIS IN OUR SCHOOL TEXTBOOKS
How else can pagans b
e r a s e d??
Debadasis were highly influential temple girls. Who were important for temple ceremonies imparting education and management of temples.... as they received huge sums of alms and exercised influence some of the local socially and economically deprived families also started turning their daughters into dedasis but they had no official status and no role inside temples. They simply stood as beggers outside the temple received alms and engaged in all sorts of activities that they could.
On the other hand the Church in Europe owned and maintained brothels and prostitutes. Church made a handsome amount of money from prostitution so they looked at it from the same perspective they purposefully failed to distinguish between the true devadasis and the abondoned female offsprings of poor families in temple vicinity ...!!
I left Bharat in 1977 , a time when i could not find a job even after doing my MBBS ! Life was very bare and everything was a struggle . Madam , today Bharat is a very different place . Please dont judge others and the reason why they left Bharat seeking greener pastures .
That situation in India, is because of the invation that happened to India, which made us search for livelihood in other countries.
This is what she is trying to say sir, rather than questioning our scholars question the colonial narrators who changed everything and anything of India while being in India.
I have lived in Bharat. But, I agree with your thoughts and decisions. 🚩
It is very sorrowful state that devadasis are termed as call girls. They were the torch bearers of our classical music, dance and dance dramas. They are also well versed in shastras puranas and highly educated. They just become a second wife to some highly positioned men for children who continue their art and culture. The great carnatic classical singers are from devadasi comminity. Its the great deavadasi Smt Bangalore Nagaratnamma who built temple for Sri Tyagataja.What the lady said is hundred percent correct. Balasraswathi is the great Bharatha natyam dancer.
I am very much delighted to watch,understand ,imbibed the most enlightened discussion. Proud to be an INDIAN to celiberate the women like Dr ARTHI
Sir, She has immense vedic time knowledge. So in order to know more and more.
we want to listen to her .
so please bring her again.
what is her RUclips channel. Please mention it also.
What a tremendous energy in her thoughts.. it's thought provoking..I salute to such Powerful Mind.. 🙏🏻.. Lots of love and gratitude to you ma'am.. ❤️
"Someone like Arathi ji should be made a national figure. I have read so many of her incredible columns in Kannada news daily, Vijaya Karnataka, and have been mesmerized by her erudition, knowledge of Sanatana Samskriti, and our Itihasa, absolutely delightful command of Kannada language... list is endless. "
What u said is absolutely correct.. In my mom's ancestral tharavadu, the ladies used to happily enjoy their isolation during period times. Chatting, sleeping, reading etc. That was to give absolute care to their bodies..
Good morning my dear Bangalore!
It's a real pleasure listening to the discussion!!
No words to describe my listening to her.she is the woman Shakti bharatiyar spoke in his songs.glory to her
Fun fact: Lata Mangeshkar's paternal grandfather was Ganesh, a priest at the Mangeshi Temple and his mistress, meaning Lata Mangeskar's paternal grandmother was Yesubai, a Devadasi.
I found it very interesting that Devadasi is not evil. Devadasi is a status If I ask any brhaman girl to become a Devadasi and I will be her Asrama datha will all these santhana accept ?
She clearly mentioned Devadasis are a separate community. It was not a company that could recruit Brahmin girls.
So Beautiful & awakening, Thankyou both for the Conversation 🙏
@PranaStories, You might want to invite the menstrual health scholar Sinu Joseph ji who has studied menstruation in the ayurveda and Tantra context and explains beautifully why the recommendation to avoid temples during those days exists. It is nothing to do with impurity. That’s a new age myth. It is (quite coincidentally!) to do with ‘prana’ and like Dr.Arthi ji said ‘temporary rest’.
Sinu Joseph is now a Sanatan 👣follower lady .
In Goa Dev Dasi community contributed a lot great in Classical music, Marathi Natak.
Our Goa Dev Dasi community never cried or played victimhood card. Without help from Govt they did self social development l.
Thank you Dr Aarati for this wonderful I formative discourse 🙏🙏
Simply great. No one can explain this subject better than Dr.
There is a gopuram in the east facing in Srirangam which is painted only white colour. Its called Nellai Gopiram . The Gopuram colour tells the story of a Devadasi who saved Lord Ranganatha from Muslim invasion. Her name is Vellai amma.
Mostly poor families were targeted by pujarie n after use, exploitation in all aspects, they are forced to go into prostitutes. Govt should interfere.
Isn't it obnoxious how discrimination gets a makeover as if British did and how about present Governments? The Devadasi, Jogini, and Basavi systems were outlawed because of their blatant exploitation, yet here we are, watching as the same exploitation is repackaged and sold as tradition and as if they had rights. Let's not forget the Namboodiri and Sambandham practices-because what better way to honor the past than to con women into a lifetime of suffering and call it culture? Bravo to those who twist facts into a fantasy of heritage while generations and communities were destroyed. They should be remembered for their suffering first . Blame everything on Invaders as against apologizing together and cleaning up and moving on.
Ahh, She's such a nice ideal Mother. She presents such a holy Aura. Makes me feel so loving to hear her.🧡💫
We need more people like amma, just like she said - jaggery binding the chikki .. People like her connect the youth of bharata. Sri matre namaha ❤
Indian traditional life/natural values must be brought to the surface on Earth. The whole of humanity is suffering because of BRFPT & Co LLC's evilness that the world was forced to absorb.
I am so glad you bought up the periods issue and stigma regarding the restrictions! Much needed . Thanks a lot 🙏🏻 she is a such a bundle of knowledge I’ll never get tired of listening to her
Excellent,!! Today’s girls/ women, who fight for any thing and every thing, in the family as well as outside…should see this ..!
Dr Arathi I listened to your blog I appreciate your knowledge
You please keep updating about this
I think all women should Listen what Bharat has achieved
Very insightful. Thank you for the video. I'll say this, though, you're both knowledgeable but come across as meek when I listen to you. There's so much apprehension in your tones. I'm not saying you need to shout or be belligerent, but you can certainly sound more confident. Look at the opposite side that's challenging you. They would drown you.
But i totally disagree with what she said.. tht devadasis managed temple properties. Very very wrong thing to say
2.Theres no hierarchy.. this is contradictory.. dharma sutras.. puranas say otherwise..
Excellent information mataji. I would like to join you and learn more things from you. Please do more talks in English and hindi so more people could gain from your knowledge.
This podcast is a very informative and culturally enlightening. It was great to listen.
Awesome podcast so reliable and worth❤❤❤
Thank you Arathi Ji for a wonderful talk. Slight disagreement on the menstrual part. I would recommend you to read Sinu Joseph’s book “ Rtu vidhya, menstrual practices of India” and it will give you a very different picture. Sinu Joseph had written a book on Sabarimala also. I have greatest of respect for you both. The energy emitting from women during their periods is phenomenal and the positive energy from the temple will affect the women, hence the restrictions. The practice of women not allowed to cook also is about this energy.
Let me hear from you when you have time to go through these books. I will put the link up if I can. Thanks 🙏
Yes. I agree with you. Sinu Joseph has wonderfully explained about menstruation.
Excellent flow of great thoughts and historical facts to make us proud. Congratulations to all involved in this podcast. Hats off for such a grand eye-opener.
I pray that may the almighty God give you his light so that you may know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
Superb knowledge. I got to learn deep insights of Devadasis.
Also the culture of our country the meaning of staying away during Menses.
So much knowledge. I loved this podcast. Can't express in words.
Gratitude
The memories of vaidik chants at Ganga ma temple,got enlivened!!
They weren't prostitutes, but were poor girls abandoned by even wealthy. All those abandoned girls ended becoming devadasis. A fasinating deatiled account that I read was from the book 'The devadasi and the saint' by Sriram.
In Chanakya's Artha Shastra, Roopjeevikas/Veishyas were paying taxes as high as any minister. They were very rich and influencial women. They were not forced into any profession unless it was their choice.
Advice to youngsters is spot on!
Very enlightening and educative, yet very sweet to listen to. Thank you Dr. Arathi.
Thanks for the very instructive lecture and learnt many new things. I agree with most of what you said. But I think using derogatory terms for women in any profession, be it modelling or cinema, is as bad, unfair, objectionable, judgememtal and narrow minded, as calling Devadasis a Prostitute.
A sari and a bindi is not an universally Indian attire. Every State in India have developed its own unique attire depending on the weather and natural resources. Like food, language, art form attire is also unique to each people. We are proud of being Indian and proud of people like yourself who dedicate their lives to showcase and teach our Sanskriti to all.
Great respects for Dr.arthi garu what a sublime knowledge of sanatana dharma fluent English knowledge patriotic Indian defending devadasis is what gravitates
We Indians have been mislead and railroaded very badly by the British. I don't quite know whether the middle-eastern invaders were our worst curse or the British thugs. Both of them crushed our ancient culture to a sad extent but even a thousand + years of brutal oppression and suppression did not succeed in destroying us. And now there is a resurgence of younger generations becoming interested in our wonderful, vast and virtually timeless culture. 🙏🙏🥰🥰ॐ ॐ
Heera Mandi is red light area of Lahore.The film’s title is based on that place but it’s regarding past and not on contemporary affairs.
Very well said...an eye opening. Speach
Madam ...it was a truly unique and logical podcast...
Great Good morning Kishkindha!!
Arathiji is a great asset to Barat to inculcate the true Vedic Civilization to the young generation. RR
Excellent maam very strong message needed not only for the younger generation but also for everyone. Thanks a lot maam.
Much need knowledge at this time. Truly appreciate. Much gratitude Dr. Aarti
45:13 very disheartening to hear this from a women who stands up for devadasis, this is again a very prejudiced statment when you want the genZ to accept the traditional values, but insulting their morden norms by calling them stupid. And these heroines have their own struggles in this patriarchal society, underpaid, heavily objectified, if not them they'll cast someone else. Despite that, great lecture.
Seriously? You're comparing Devadaasi-s with those filthy rich bratty genZ women who have no shame and honour and can be seen behaving as mentioned around New Year's time (the specific incidents are also from bengaluru only)!
Maybe your i.q is not sufficient enough to understand what Arati Ji has spoken. 🙄🤦🏽♂️
She is ssoo knowledgeable... Pls make one more podcasts... on
Very nice discussion. One thing smt. Arati told about varnashrama being circular keeping all varnas at same level and not hierarchical as many people are wrongly portraing really touched me. It is so true.
Why all dwijas are almost the same there are still many persons still living, ask them how they lived and what atrocities they suffered I think devdasis were naver from brahmim class but from other communities.
The funny thing is that these people keep on talking about ancient a lot, and rarely put it in practice any of these. It is time to consider and learn it as history and move on. A lot of boys cook now a days and is better than girls. Those who don't share domestic work they are spoiled either by their wives or mothers/sisters. So who are you blaming here? But, now a days a lot of women encourage their boys to learn/share domestic affairs, because they themselves know the pain.
Yes, mostly they were. If you sugarcoat it, that's also okay-who cares! There were harems consisting of wives, concubines, female and eunuch officials, bodyguards, and servants. But only the concubines were for sexual pleasure. Similarly, in the case of Devadasis staying at temples, there were various kinds and classes. Apart from a few from upper backgrounds who acted as priests, most of the Devadasis were engaged, often forced, in sexual activities with multiple people...
Ma’m is the best!!🙏🙏🙏
One of the best discussions on us and our traditions and social norms i have ever heard of🥰
I simply loved your tak,your ideas are exactly like mine.peple like you will help to make India a highly respected country. Jaihind!❤❤❤
Ma'am, please write books on these topics, if you have written please mention the names.
Now I'm feeling that all my degrees are a waste. I need to be educated now on.
This mdm was excellent.I hope to hear more of her in the coming days 🙏
You were right thing when you mentioned that spirituality is the connection of the soul/spirit with the Divine.
Being that it is the soul and not the body which connects with the Divine, it is the purity of your intentions when you visit a temple and not whether a woman is having her periods or not which is important.
Forbidding women from visiting temples during periods is part of karmakand - rituals connected with the external body.
The Divine is interested in what u r within and what you feel within urself, not the state of your body.
Ur intention is more imp than ur body.
Nice & Incisive Analysis of our Sanathana Dharma/ & Importance of it's Various Practice & it's Various Importance by Dr Arathiji .
Hat's off.
I visited them in 70's.on Bombay goa rd. From ratnagiri konkan area.
Loved the podcast , more more people shld listen to you thankyou madam for speaking so boldly , absolutely loved it
Mothers are the greatest especially indian women.
Very beautifully explained ❤
Thank you for such a wonderful conversation! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Very nice. Congratulations and thanks to Madam and the.host.
I am from Guwahati, Assam
Thanks to maam she gives very important information about deva dassi and others information as a history teacher some time students wants to know about our traditions it's grate information for me
THANK YOU. Thank you. ❤🙏
It is not a great achievement that India is still able to keep its pageant beliefs.
Beautiful ❤🙏 Hari Om Tat Sat 🕉
Very articulailtive!! Appreciate your intelligence and confidence
Thank you for this enlightening conversation.
Such a lovely talk.
Very enlightening ind 49:15 eed.
God bless our sanatana Dharma.
Thank you
Madam you have given an excellent explanation on various subjects regarding our womenfolk with conviction. One comment with participation during menstrual period is usually you yourself have told about fainting college mates. Similarly as the ladies are weak at that time, it's better not to recite sthothram or Bajan. And even the out-put in IT or lecture is a strain. Syllables pronunciation also may need strength which is not possible during the bleeding , however brave front one may put up. If attendance is important in job , concern by colleagues can be a part of our reformation Sanathana according to the changed situation. Haven't ladies' dates been given priority before planning a puja or function. Similarly let ladies not be shy to voice their discomfort and get some comfort from friends and colleagues in a work place. The isolation at olden days from spiritual program was mainly due to the condition of the body. It's just a quarantine during weakness. Nothing against spirituality.
I would also like to add that it is a must for men to cook and serve the lady in dispensary, yes because she will be getting rejuvenation later so rest is the lady's medicine. And for the man of the higher caste he can conceal the resting wife or sister, in a sort of cubicle with plastic curtains in her own restricted space, for his achara s sake, if need be, then take a bath and do his Gayathri or cook for himself in his space. Instead I have noticed down south., the men chasing their ladies to their mothers home close by or make her sit on the doorstep where sanitary workers come in and go, till night, before she could lie down. The man thinks twice before offering her water too. She will be told to go to street taps. Such inhuman treatment has made women rebellious. Taken the freedom also is their own disaster. It's this depressed state the unconscious mind suffers. And hence mastectomy, vaginal cancer and cancer of other types, knee replacement, disc problem xtra.... especially riding the bike during periods cause excess bleeding leading to problems during menopause receding stages.
Hope women will become sensible in this regard and men take more care and concern in their grahasasthra darma. Love, care and concern is the main issue to understand this matter. And get the blessings of Sri Lalita Ambika 🙏
Please check the starting music sound level seems too much with very high pitch or something
Mangeshkar family origin were Devdaasi
Beautiful talk Aartiji🙏
Musicians M.S.Subhulakshmi,M.L.Vasantakumari ,veenai dhanamma,muktha brinda,dancer balasaraswathy were all from devadasi families...their mothers had not married but they were surely born
99% great talk, please do not practise caste denial. sanatana dharma is greater than caste.
Awesome podcast
No words! Thank you mam?
This video talks about true feminism. Loved her views. Great video.
Great and inspirational podcast! Learnt a lot 🙏
Real knowledge 😊
Wish I can like this video 1000 times. Beautiful
Only one word, simply AWESOME!
Madam! What is your opinion on untouchable people and castes?
Amma beautiful knowledge, you need to be advisor in PMO; on sanatana dharma great..