It's not about lack of seeds, the previous seasons aren't even fully English translated yet. So this adaptation was mainly watched by some old Japanese folks and the few who read the manga.
To be frank, Baki became much better known after Netflix aired the show starting with the second manga series of course that show was actually advertised by Netflix so that makes a difference. Also its not that bizarre the creators reaction, most Japanese creators arent that aware of how popular their series are or how they are seen in the rest of the world PD:Kinnikuman designs are like that because 1.Kinnikuman started as a gag manga parody of Ultraman 2.almost all the characters are submitted by childen when it started or guys who read the series in the 80s
Ultraman wasn't even that well known outside of Japan until a couple of years ago thanks to Tsuburaya actually putting effort in. We get dubbed in English seasons every year now, merch like crazy that sells alright, etc. I wish Toei would do that with Rider & Sentai.
@@Ziko577 Is it even necessary for Toei to do that, people who watched P.R have a vague idea of Sentai and Kamen Rider fans are part of the rabbit hole?
I always see people online say that Japanese creators don’t care about fans overseas, so it’s interesting to see a Japanese creator complain that their work isn’t popular overseas.
Authors care about western audiences more than western audiences give them credit for. But they're low esteem lazybones who don't want to develop minimal, respectable standards. They'll swallow mounds of garbage as long as it's HD, full of waifus, have memes and court otacreeps overall for easy low IQ digestible content.
@@giornogiostar3214 Then explain why anime would not pander to a much bigger audience and how the people who say this are not hypocrites because they are western anime fans?
The series with Kinnikuman Jr. did fine in my country but that was it. Maybe if he wasn't frustratingly incompetent for most of its fights, more people would be into Kinnikuman in the West.
Ultimate Muscle was pretty big in the West. Also, Kinnikuman is still big. New volumes rank top 5 in sales, thousands of merch, tv programs and museums. It's just that western and Japanese audiences are very different.
Modern generations loath badass muscled guys and fitness addicts. They see them as toxic masculinity, not chads. It reminds them the jocks who shoved them in locker room closets or flushed toilet bowl over their heads. Take a good look at who's pushed in actual pro-wrestling promotions and convince me otherwise. It doesn't help that nowadays, the stereotype of the muscled guy is mostly played out for cringe comedy relief, poking fun at their lowkey gayness (e.g. Alain Delon from Beelzebub)
The Ultimate Muscle dub was big, since it was kinda like an abridged series before abridges were a thing. I like some jokes but it did ruin what Nisei and Kinnikuman was all about. It also doesn't help that the Nisei manga is on hiatus and not up to date on translations. But I agree, the western and Japanese audiences are very different.
As a fan of kinnikuman we are still waiting for the og season to get finished from fan translations. Also, kinnikuman nisei only has fansubs for half of it. Otherwise 4kids dub ruins it.
Yudetamago is actually two people, Takashi Shimada and Yoshinori Nakai and both are pushing in their 70's. As an overseas Kinnikuman fan, I'm a little confused about the wording of this article. Were they expecting the new anime to garner new fans outside of Japan or did they expect the already existing niche fans to pick up on it but they didn't know it exists? Either way, it sucks to hear that they wanted more overseas attention, I mean it's still fairly nostalgic in Japan. They have that at least.
Western fans, at least in Canada/US don't care about Kinnikuman. They didn't really have access to it growing up so there's no nostalgia to tap into And as we know about anime fans, anything before Dragonball might as well not exist to them
That's very sad and I see that a lot in these fandoms. I know with Gundam many folks came in after watching Requiem for Vengeance and they were both amazed and confused at the same time of what they were looking at. This is a story during the end of the One Year War so they have no idea about the series, timeline, or nothing. They're going to have a bad time going forward and I told some guys to not bother with the Universal Century stuff and to go watch one of the alternate timeline shows to see if you like the franchise going forward as they all are the same thing but different flavors of it.
I remember Kinnikuman for the time I watched it on Fox Kids (or whatever it was called at the time) I like it, it was fine, but that was about it, it simple pale in comparison to other show I watched at the time like Digimon or Yugioh...
I think he thought it would be popular because the sequel show Kinnikuman Nisei aka. Ultimate Muscle was popular outside of Japan to the point they demanded more seasons thus more of the manga was adapted just for overseas. But Kinnikuman Nisei is about Kinnikuman's son while the new season of Kinnikuman is about the old anime of which non of the previous arcs nor the manga has been translated officially to English. Nobody saw the Nazi Superheroes etc and the show doesn't advertise itself as a 'prequel' to Kinnikuman Nisei. They feel like completely different shows. Kinnikuman is amazing but I agree with most of your reasons. It is a fighting Shonen where characters design determine how they fight and their abilities.
I think I played an nes game of this but I'm not sure. The second season was somewhat known on latam at the time but not enough to call it popular I think.
Why it's he even worried about an Ultraman parody that became wrestling taken to the max campiness where the power of friendship literally can regenerate any wound. He can basically market that slop to Yu-Gi-Oh! and Fairy Tail fans and they wouldn't even complain.
@redfer8029 Burning Inner Strength, interesting... So, what can Burning Inner Strength do besides conveniently helping the main character who lost various allies is it more like Mussou Tensei or what?
@hamlet1055 Burning Inner Strength is the ability that mamy chojin can have if they are selfless in hearts heck even villains can achieve it at this point, through absorption or selfless acts and understanding your enemies,and it doesn't conviniently appear to save the characters cause it literally has become part of the power system,heck even devils and perfect chojin can use it through battles
The irony with Kunnikuman was aired on French television during the '80s-90s on the same shows that were broadcasting Dragon Ball, Ranma 1/2, Fist of North Star, Saint Seiya, Sailor Moon, and more. Still, it was shot down because one of the protagonists was a nazi. You can ask why it's a big deal well it's simple. At the manga and Anime was not popular and mainstream yet, and having a nazi guy portrayed in a positive light in a show for a young audience was a big no. That's why it never took off in France. The last anime that got flak in France was Crossange after the first episode, the show was forbidden to be aired before 22:00
This is kinda weird to explain, but it's more like an interquel. It's not a continuation of the last animated series from the 80's. But it's from the 2011 reboot manga, and it kicks off in the middle of one of the newer arcs not introduced in the original.
1. He already said in a Seasonal video that he hated it and 2. The last thing I want is more videos from this tosspot using what good anime we DO get as an excuse to go on more conservative tangents because he listens to conspiracy nuts.
Plenty of people watch older stuff if it's available. It's just that Kinnikuman stuff these days is barely available. Hell what little I saw of the original anime was in Spanish and that was 15 years ago. Besides if people didn't care about older stuff then Dragon Ball still wouldn't have the reputation that it does.
The mangaka's complaints only reflect his greedy desire to profit from his work, since what is wrong with it being a niche product? None, in fact, I think it brings more problems becoming a mainstream product for the masses to the point of losing almost any artistic value. Kingdom is a manga/anime that does a superior job than Attack on Titan in handling systems like military values and horrors of war without resorting to magic or time travel. And there are very few people who know about it or are even interested in going through that long first season full of ugly CGI, but I also don't recommend skipping the first season because it acts as a perfect audience filter to scare away casuals and weed alike while keeping those who are really interested in its story and characters
@@marcomilillo23 True for me. The main character's face would be too goofy for me to take the show seriously. I know it's a shallow measure of the show overall.
It's not about lack of seeds, the previous seasons aren't even fully English translated yet. So this adaptation was mainly watched by some old Japanese folks and the few who read the manga.
To be frank, Baki became much better known after Netflix aired the show starting with the second manga series of course that show was actually advertised by Netflix so that makes a difference. Also its not that bizarre the creators reaction, most Japanese creators arent that aware of how popular their series are or how they are seen in the rest of the world
PD:Kinnikuman designs are like that because 1.Kinnikuman started as a gag manga parody of Ultraman 2.almost all the characters are submitted by childen when it started or guys who read the series in the 80s
Ultraman wasn't even that well known outside of Japan until a couple of years ago thanks to Tsuburaya actually putting effort in. We get dubbed in English seasons every year now, merch like crazy that sells alright, etc. I wish Toei would do that with Rider & Sentai.
@@Ziko577 Is it even necessary for Toei to do that, people who watched P.R have a vague idea of Sentai and Kamen Rider fans are part of the rabbit hole?
I always see people online say that Japanese creators don’t care about fans overseas, so it’s interesting to see a Japanese creator complain that their work isn’t popular overseas.
Authors care about western audiences more than western audiences give them credit for. But they're low esteem lazybones who don't want to develop minimal, respectable standards. They'll swallow mounds of garbage as long as it's HD, full of waifus, have memes and court otacreeps overall for easy low IQ digestible content.
That's a lie anime fans say to claim anime is "anti woke" even though it makes no sense.
@@EvilSamB
No, it literally is a statement made because it was true only until recently that anime skyrocketted on the west.
@@giornogiostar3214 Then explain why anime would not pander to a much bigger audience and how the people who say this are not hypocrites because they are western anime fans?
@EvilSamB
Their biggest audience is the japanese one, always, that's obvious.
Retro doesn't win?
Quality wise always, popularity is another topic 🤷🏻♂️
Unless it’s dragon ball and banana fish
I always loved Kinnikuman after watching Kinnikuman nisei or ultimate muscle I loved Kinnikuman Perfect Origin Arc
I also watched the anime. I once read some of the manga and was surprised by how much more violent it was.
Ultimate muscle and Dragonball z
That's how anime is now, it is just hype and nothing else.
The series with Kinnikuman Jr. did fine in my country but that was it. Maybe if he wasn't frustratingly incompetent for most of its fights, more people would be into Kinnikuman in the West.
Ultimate Muscle was pretty big in the West. Also, Kinnikuman is still big. New volumes rank top 5 in sales, thousands of merch, tv programs and museums. It's just that western and Japanese audiences are very different.
Ultimate Muscle had brief popularity in the West, but many don't remember it let alone know the Japanese title Kinnikuman
@@Temujin18S They could still pull a decent crowd if they advertised it as ultimate muscle
Modern generations loath badass muscled guys and fitness addicts. They see them as toxic masculinity, not chads. It reminds them the jocks who shoved them in locker room closets or flushed toilet bowl over their heads. Take a good look at who's pushed in actual pro-wrestling promotions and convince me otherwise.
It doesn't help that nowadays, the stereotype of the muscled guy is mostly played out for cringe comedy relief, poking fun at their lowkey gayness (e.g. Alain Delon from Beelzebub)
The Ultimate Muscle dub was big, since it was kinda like an abridged series before abridges were a thing. I like some jokes but it did ruin what Nisei and Kinnikuman was all about. It also doesn't help that the Nisei manga is on hiatus and not up to date on translations. But I agree, the western and Japanese audiences are very different.
@@nozoto Hmmm 🤔
As a fan of kinnikuman we are still waiting for the og season to get finished from fan translations. Also, kinnikuman nisei only has fansubs for half of it. Otherwise 4kids dub ruins it.
Yudetamago is actually two people, Takashi Shimada and Yoshinori Nakai and both are pushing in their 70's. As an overseas Kinnikuman fan, I'm a little confused about the wording of this article. Were they expecting the new anime to garner new fans outside of Japan or did they expect the already existing niche fans to pick up on it but they didn't know it exists? Either way, it sucks to hear that they wanted more overseas attention, I mean it's still fairly nostalgic in Japan. They have that at least.
Being visually unappealing and being based on an old work didn't stop Baki
you got 3 other reasons
Western fans, at least in Canada/US don't care about Kinnikuman. They didn't really have access to it growing up so there's no nostalgia to tap into
And as we know about anime fans, anything before Dragonball might as well not exist to them
Hence why they call Dragonball , “ the father of anime”
That's very sad and I see that a lot in these fandoms. I know with Gundam many folks came in after watching Requiem for Vengeance and they were both amazed and confused at the same time of what they were looking at. This is a story during the end of the One Year War so they have no idea about the series, timeline, or nothing. They're going to have a bad time going forward and I told some guys to not bother with the Universal Century stuff and to go watch one of the alternate timeline shows to see if you like the franchise going forward as they all are the same thing but different flavors of it.
No cute waifus so not even the coomer fans would want to see it.
Baki has no waifu but still solid af
I remember Kinnikuman for the time I watched it on Fox Kids (or whatever it was called at the time) I like it, it was fine, but that was about it, it simple pale in comparison to other show I watched at the time like Digimon or Yugioh...
Ranma seems to doing pretty well actually
Also I never found Kinnikuman design to be bad
Goofy all you want but in a positive way
The Ranma remake is really good so far. Props to them.
Same for urusei yatsura and that manga came out before kinnikuman
@@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881 I'm not really sure about that
But good to know I guess
I think he thought it would be popular because the sequel show Kinnikuman Nisei aka. Ultimate Muscle was popular outside of Japan to the point they demanded more seasons thus more of the manga was adapted just for overseas. But Kinnikuman Nisei is about Kinnikuman's son while the new season of Kinnikuman is about the old anime of which non of the previous arcs nor the manga has been translated officially to English. Nobody saw the Nazi Superheroes etc and the show doesn't advertise itself as a 'prequel' to Kinnikuman Nisei. They feel like completely different shows.
Kinnikuman is amazing but I agree with most of your reasons. It is a fighting Shonen where characters design determine how they fight and their abilities.
Ultimate muscle is dope
Kinnikuman was never popular in the West, but for some reason 4Kids literally paid Toei to produce more of the Kinnikuman anime back in the day, lol.
I think I played an nes game of this but I'm not sure.
The second season was somewhat known on latam at the time but not enough to call it popular I think.
Why it's he even worried about an Ultraman parody that became wrestling taken to the max campiness where the power of friendship literally can regenerate any wound. He can basically market that slop to Yu-Gi-Oh! and Fairy Tail fans and they wouldn't even complain.
B.I.S can't heal wounds though
@redfer8029 Burning Inner Strength, interesting...
So, what can Burning Inner Strength do besides conveniently helping the main character who lost various allies is it more like Mussou Tensei or what?
@hamlet1055 Burning Inner Strength is the ability that mamy chojin can have if they are selfless in hearts heck even villains can achieve it at this point, through absorption or selfless acts and understanding your enemies,and it doesn't conviniently appear to save the characters cause it literally has become part of the power system,heck even devils and perfect chojin can use it through battles
I mean one piece is goofy as shit and that’s one of the most popular anime of all timr
because of the theorycrafting
It took a long time for it to get popular here.
The irony with Kunnikuman was aired on French television during the '80s-90s on the same shows that were broadcasting Dragon Ball, Ranma 1/2, Fist of North Star, Saint Seiya, Sailor Moon, and more. Still, it was shot down because one of the protagonists was a nazi. You can ask why it's a big deal well it's simple.
At the manga and Anime was not popular and mainstream yet, and having a nazi guy portrayed in a positive light in a show for a young audience was a big no.
That's why it never took off in France.
The last anime that got flak in France was Crossange after the first episode, the show was forbidden to be aired before 22:00
Ultimate muscle aired in Italië too
Also it doesn't have a dub which is pretty essential if you're going to put your anime on Netflix
But western weebs love Mamoru Miyano though.
I heard english voice actors are on strike atm. About being replaced by A.I.
There was a new Kunikuman anime ?
Yep
A prequel of the last animated serie
This is kinda weird to explain, but it's more like an interquel. It's not a continuation of the last animated series from the 80's. But it's from the 2011 reboot manga, and it kicks off in the middle of one of the newer arcs not introduced in the original.
Im running out of Mecha anime to watch recommendations? Please
RETRO ALWAYS... Uh oh
Overseas. I say give it time like jojo. After all nisei hit it big in the us
Damn i wish there was some good anime to watch outside the mainstream/hyped ones.
There is. Yataragasu: The Raven Does Not Choose Its Master and Orb: On the Movements of the Earth are two good ones that came out this year
That's the only good ones
Kinnikuman is
Every episode had thread on /a/ about it
Everything gets a thread on /a/
Thots on Dandadandan?
1. He already said in a Seasonal video that he hated it and 2. The last thing I want is more videos from this tosspot using what good anime we DO get as an excuse to go on more conservative tangents because he listens to conspiracy nuts.
he said that is random nonsense
Dem, already calling the female cast that?
Thots are fine there, specially Seiko.
@@Falcovsleon21
Less traumatized and paranoic gringo leftoid:
Plenty of people watch older stuff if it's available. It's just that Kinnikuman stuff these days is barely available. Hell what little I saw of the original anime was in Spanish and that was 15 years ago. Besides if people didn't care about older stuff then Dragon Ball still wouldn't have the reputation that it does.
Irate Gamer: Now WTF is a "Muscle"?
@@asahitownboys Please. Real chads watched BigAl’s videos on the anime.
The mangaka's complaints only reflect his greedy desire to profit from his work, since what is wrong with it being a niche product? None, in fact, I think it brings more problems becoming a mainstream product for the masses to the point of losing almost any artistic value.
Kingdom is a manga/anime that does a superior job than Attack on Titan in handling systems like military values and horrors of war without resorting to magic or time travel. And there are very few people who know about it or are even interested in going through that long first season full of ugly CGI, but I also don't recommend skipping the first season because it acts as a perfect audience filter to scare away casuals and weed alike while keeping those who are really interested in its story and characters
They should have just remake the original anime from the beginning 😂
The character design was enough for me to don't give a f.
Go watch your generic shit
Main character syndrome
Yeah there's no way I would watch Kinnikuhman with the way the characters look.
@@xanthosamoni2072 is that sarcasm or the truth?
@@marcomilillo23 True for me. The main character's face would be too goofy for me to take the show seriously.
I know it's a shallow measure of the show overall.
@@xanthosamoni2072 that's fine
@@xanthosamoni2072 ah yes the guy who watches generic anime designs complains
@@redfer8029 Why are you replying to a two week old comment? It wasn't even a complaint.
Kinnikuman like Doraemon or Anpaman is just a cultural thing, outside of Japan it just doesn't work.
Ultimate muscle do
It would work if it was advertised correctly
Who?!
Dragonball's daddy in terms of modern shounen tropes
@@lordgreed1
Tao
@@giornogiostar3214 ⚰️ 👻
@@giornogiostar3214 works everytime
Kinnikuman