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I am PC fan that loves to build my own rigs... but with the prices of every part getting higher and higher, it is time for me to jump ship. MacOS is a great operating that I know not much about, so the next 2 decades will be fun for me to explore!
As a Windows, Linux and OS X user I can promise that when you start using OS X you will feel like you are in the future. Windows will feel like the Fisher Price of interacts. And the memory management... I could go on. Although I don't see using it without a trackpad. IDK if the Magic Mouse gives that functionality or not. I'm ambidextrous and use a trackpad with my right hand and mouse with my left on a MacBook. The trackpad ads great interface functionality. If the Magic Mouse (or whatever it's called) does the same, get one.
When I talk about the trackpage I mean things like the three finger swipe. Sorry about the typo’s I didn’t feel like editing my post. The bluetooth keyoard mouse combi I am using with my Air is fully OS X compatable with proper key labeling and all hat. Works great
Very wrong, windows users on windows subreddits recommend apple products at times if it fits criteria. This is a good value pc for most people but once U upgrade it loses all its value.
I just got a windows one (Dreamquest Pro) and honestly I love it so far, it's chunkier than others but has loads of ports and has made it so I can actually use my monitor as a pc
Not true at all. It just has to pass the checklist. A) Is my work software compatible with MacOS? If yes, good 👍. B) For non-gamers or those that can on a PS5, good 👍. C) Other minor creature comforts don't bother you, final confirmation to switch.
True. Also they have the M4 Pro Mac mini currently on sale for $1,199, which is $200 off the $1,399 base price. I just picked up the M4 Pro Mac Mini model for $1,199 at my local Microcenter in Saint Louis, Missouri.
My mobile life will shift towards a sedentary life one day. The new Mac mini will certainly be on top of my list when that day comes to have a desktop setup because it has surpassed all expectations, including price.
I'm going to be switching from a 2012 iMac 27 to a new Mac Mini. What would be a good monitor to buy that won't break the bank? Thanks for all your videos.
I’d suggest going for something with at least 2k resolution. I wouldn’t look for HDR cause I couldn’t get HDR to run without colour banding on my HP U28 4K, but you could maybe test it out at the store if it works with the display you plan on buying.
For the plug it in and use it user, the m4 Mac mini is a great option, provided that they don't need more hard drive space. The fundamental problem with the m4 Mac mini is that prices go up very very quickly when you add memory and hard drive. Yes, you can purchase an external hard drive, but that's not plugging it and just use it. If you compare the M4 Mini to Windows, the simple fact is that there are Windows programs that don't run on a Mac that people might need, although this is more of a business problem. Now I do think that if you're going to look at price and performance, you should compare 32 gigs of RAM to 32 gigs of RAM, not 16 gigs of RAM to 32 gigs of RAM.
Using my M4 base model now. External NVME 1TB in enclosure. Quite happily playing wow on 1440p, capping frame rate a bit and settings on half/5 ish. Parallels 20 on it. All runs like a dream. Intel must have seen this coming from Apple because they killed their own NUC line. I had several of those over the years and even the best can’t hold a candle to this little beastie.
I have the m4, 16gb, 512 variant. Also run Parallels 20 with Windows 11/ Fedora. Runs very smooth. My m2 macbook air 16gb, 512 is now struggling with this workload.
Don’t know if either of you can point me in the right direction or send a link of what you used to format and get the external drive working. I set it up but can’t get my Mac to recognize…thank you
@@dylankirkpatrick9522 When I first connected the NVMe drive, I just went into the disk utility and did an erase with a format of APFS Encrypted. It’s a WD SN850X, by the way.
Even though I agree with most of your points, there are some things you overlooked. A) Software compatibility for work. X86 is huge in the finance, insurance, accounting, Civil engineering, and mechanical engineering world. B) Also, most games do not run natively on MacOS. Crossover costs over $70 annual to use non-native games on MacOS. C) Type A port fans and fans of the button up front. It maybe a minor 1st world issue, but to many it makes their mini-PC experience more comfortable.
I've been using a decent Risen 7 mini PC with 40 gigs of so-so ddr4 for awhile. It ought to blow a Mac at this price out of the water. I recently got my hands on a USED M1 MacBook Air with 8 gigs of ram. This is an M1 not even an M4 and only 8 gigs of ram. My Ryzen system is now network storage. I was a Mac user a very long time ago - think OS 10.6. Everything about OS X is so vastly superior. If my M1 is is performing this fantastic (with the same 75 hertz 1440p monitor I've been using) with a 4 year old processor and only 8 gigs of ram, I can't imagine how great the M4 Minis are. And the integration with my iPhone is great. I've also been a Linux user since about 1996. Everyone is talking about ditching Windows for Linux No, ditch Windows of OS X outside of ideological reasoning. NOTICE: I am not a gamer but I do some web dev and related graphics stuff. At this point I am debating on the new M4 Mini with more storage or aiming for a used M1 Pro\Max.
Maybe I am alone with this thought, but what I think would push this over the edge would be windows on arm via BootCamp 2. Then x86/64 in this range would be dead.
@ I run VMware fusion and at time UTM. I think it boils down to seeing the data through raw metal and not emulation or virtualization. Also I am having issues running MSFS 2020 via Xbox app. Yeah I know I can do Xbox cloud but I’m a little stubborn, lol.
Yeah, i tried using homebrew to compile my single threaded simulation program with gcc. the code then runs like 30% slower than in my clocked down 14900k (it is supposed to be faster for single threaded workload right?). maybe it will be faster if I use clang, but so far, the source can't be compiled using default clang compiler. maybe i need to rewrite the code.
@@akin242002 Lunar Lake has better single core performance, graphics, and battery life. The only thing is is better at is multi core performance. If by "business laptops" you mean devices best suited for documents, spreadsheets, ect, then the power efficiency and single core performance of Lunar lake seems more useful than the multi core performance of Meteor Lake.
After carefully analyzing and considering all benefits and price factors, I finally pulled trigger on iMac (M4) which is currently up to $100 off on black Friday sale, gives 24Gb Memory /512Gb Storage / 10 core CPU/GPU, 4 thunderbolt ports, 24 inch 5K screen, keyboard with Touch Id, mouse ( both with USB - C port), studio quality 3 mic array, 6 speakers, 12 MP camera plus more. I was earlier considering Mac Mini (2024) but iMac (2024) won me all over with its complete suite of ecosystem
@ if you find a affordable ASD then it's worth it. Still I wouldn't prefer either a model with 256GB storage or a keyboard without touch ID which is totally a game changer honestly 😉
A few things to say, Upgradeable custom SSD module? This really only happened to be possible once in Apple's recent history, since they introduced the T2 security chip. Mac Pro 2019. Only officially supported mac for custom Apple SSD upgrades, since the T2 chip. Imac Pro 2017 can technically be hacked into working with Mac Pro 2019 SSDs but this is not easy to do nor officially supported. Use cases for owning a Mac are a bit narrow, compared to a Windows PC, even if you need to spend a bit more now on PC to match the price to performance to form-factor value proposition. I think that outside of the apple ecosystem use case, developer use case, audio / video / media production editor use case, the PC still rules with regards to vastly more available software support. I am a mac user, and I love my macs, however I still need an x86 based PC on the side to complement it, for all those other things that Mac can't quite do easily just yet, and to name something really annoying but obvious would be firmware updates to device X, Y, Z, as only Windows is supported for the update utility. It's not really comparing Apple to Apples here, I think, nor will likely ever be. No doubt however, the new Mini is great at it's baseline offering, for most casual users. Another thing to say on SSD speeds and the Mini is that it's abysmal to today's standards of m.2 gen4 and up NVME standards. Only Mini M4 Pro offers acceptable R/W speeds, but if you need to buy it to have decent SSD speeds then the value prop is gone.
The base configuration is indeed a good deal. The problem is, Apple's prices for additional RAM and Storage are just ridiculous and not in line with the rest of the industry. 256GB storage is pretty much a joke for this day and age. Base configuration should be 512GB.
I bought the M4 Mac Mini for my step mom to do basic tasks. Still don't think it replaces a PC for a power user. Looking forward to Strix Halo where AMD will really push the mini PC hard.
The problem is upgrading the RAM and Storage. The default RAM is fine, but 256GB of storage is not enough for a PC. The minimum acceptable is 512GB only if you are going to buy external storage
I get being really happy with the new Mini (in fact, I'll probably grab one before the year is up), and I get that your job is to make fun Apple content and that means maintaining a positive and pro-Apple vibe, but you really don't have to praise Apple so enthusiastically like that for "keeping the price the same and doubling the memory", as if not charging users $200 to go from 8 to 16gb is some incredibly generous move on their part. They still make the bulk of their extremely healthy profit margins by charging customers 10-20x the retail standard for RAM and flash storage, and that's still a scummy business practice, no matter how much we like the products that Apple make or even the company/history/people themselves. On the storage side, they're still starting at an egregious 256gb (because they're gonna walk right up to the line of forcing their customers to spend those $200 without outright crossing it) after spending years starting at 128, which was also super low for the time back then! And I'm not saying that Apple shouldn't make their money, but they're like the most or second-most valuable company in the world. I'm old enough to remember when Apple was literally bankrupt. They managed to go from there to here by building computers that allowed their owners to do things like upgrade the RAM and storage. They don't need to be charging their customers $1000 to put a terabyte/$50 of storage into their Mac.
I'm still waiting for Apple to put out an upgraded monitor. I have looked at many of them over at Best Buy and none come even close to the clarity of the Mac Studio Display. By the way, that display is now selling for only $1300 at Amazon.
Should I buy the M4 Mac mini with the m4 16gb 512gb or m4 pro 24gb 512gb for my use case? And do I need 1tb or 512gb is good enough? I need it for beginners photo and video editing, programming, web browsing, watching RUclips videos, listening to music and podcasts with high quality audio interface and headphones amp.
@@DustyKing Yes and not...I'm a Mac User but for my son who plays video games a PC will always be the best choice...The Mac got it all but clearly not for a gamer.
@ Bro, just buy him a $500 PlayStation. No need to waste $5,000 on a windows pc. Even a $1,000 windows pc is slower than a $500 PlayStation. And on Black Friday deals, you can’t build find a brand new PS5 around $350.
My main tech investments this year were the SP11 (sdxe) and the M4 mini, which will replace my M2 max mac studio. My only complaint with the mini are the bad upgrade prices from the base model.
I’m a Mac user, but saying that there’s no catch is a bit disingenuous. Some people still want Windows for gaming. Sure they can game on Mac but there are limitations.
For gaming, just buy a $500 PlayStation. There’s no point in wasting $5,000 on a windows pc if gaming is your main use case, only reason to buy a windows pc is if you need to use windows OS for other stuff.
@@DustyKing there is a big reason why the PS sucks for gaming, and that is mouse and keyboard support, if they don't require that for every game with the PS6 for example, PC will reign supreme
Buying PC parts can't outperform an advanced SOC, but when it comes to gaming the opposite is true. I'm hoping Apple buys Intel's ARC GPU business and develops its own eGPU solution with native driver support for Thunderbolt 5.
Don't forget the $650 M1 MacBook Air, sold at Wal-Mart, which is a killer do-it-all laptop for the average consumer. If Apple hands Wal-Mart a bargain-basement M1 Mini, with a price on the order of $350 . . . let's just say I wouldn't want to be a PC maker.
Yes I use parallels, bootcamp is a hardware solution, Apple has no incentive to support that anymore, why would you when parallels is good enough for most.
The only catch is the base storage amount. As soon as you upgrade, the value plummets. I would not hope for upgradable ssd post purchase until the products are actually out.
Since two M4 Mac Minis are less expensive (than the storage and memory upgrade of the base models) would it be possible to put 2 Mac Minis in a sort of RAID MODE and make them more powerful even than the M4 Pro chip?
If apple actually pushes this machine as "the only home computer you'll need for a decade", they'll sell millions upon millions of them. They're low margin products relative to ipads and macbooks, so who knows if that's really in their interest.
One ongoing issue with macOS is lack of entry level 200dpi displays on the market. For entry level I mean something like 4K 23". With typical 27" 4k display in "1440p looks-like" mode macOS fonts have uncanny blur which drives me crazy, coming from Windows and Linux, which manage to provide pixel-perfect scaling for any scaling factor. And lots of organizations and homes still rely on 1080p & 1440p low DPI displays which look good only with subpixel font smoothing supported, which is still the case for most of Windows and Linux software. On macOS low-dpi text rendering is terrible.
You're not comparing this properly if you boost up the mini with 32 gigs ram and 1 terabyte hard drive the mini would cost about as much or more. How can this be a fair comparison?
You get a 1TB NVMe stick for $60 and put it in an external enclosure. As for memory, the M4 with 16GB already outperforms Intel or AMD machines with 32GB; feel free to make it "fair" by crippling the latter with half the memory, and see how the comparison works out that way. 😄
I think you are completely missing a key point re: application software and specifically with Microsoft Outlook for email in my case. Disclaimer: I hate email and it over used but unfortunately need to use it to communicate with clients. Mac Outlook does work but is inferior to Windows version re: opening multiple Windows (unless I am missing something). On my Mac using Outlook Web version is much better than the Mac Outlook desktop version but not as good as Windows Outlook. -I am a very long time Windows user, professionally develop application software; moved to Mac for media nerding with MacBook Pro 16" M1 for FCPX and Apple Photos / Lightroom. -Now have Mac Mini M4 Pro as of yesterday.; also have iPad pro 13".
How is this missing the point, he has a limited amount of time a resources to build videos. People don’t care about office apps as they are always plenty fast. Max can’t account for every little use case and include that in his videos.
@@otwer22 thank you, that is why I commented. I love my Apple hardware products however the overall solution is key. My comment is not about performance Mac vs PC. Unfortunately I have spend too much time while running a tech business using email and the Windows version of Outlook is massively more productive in many areas. If I had more time I should do a 10 minute piece.
@@hms350I use outlook on a pc at work as well, so I get the differences. There are some bolt ons that can make apple mail pretty damn close to outlook. I don’t use them but my boss does since he is the only one who uses a Mac at work. My point is I feel for Max, he gets so many requests for every little configuration of Mac’s, then software, then to top that off a bunch of people who come in here complaining about lack of upgradable hardware and comparing pc hardware when that is not the point of the vlog.
@@Garrus-k1vyou continue to troll why? I am fully aware of both computers and their short comings. I use a pc at work where I am an engineer and a Mac at home for all my other uses. If I had the option to use whatever I want at work I would choose a Mac since the programs I use have Mac ports or I could use parallels if needed. What are the 1000 little problems with Mac OS?
They gotta do something abou their SSD & DRAM prices though - they're still ridiculously expensive to get up to a normal amount of storage - 1T should be the minimum for SSD - and SDRAM ashould be $100 max for a 16G upgrade...
I don’t know how they did the CS2 benchmark on the Mac mini m4. Valve says CS2 is not supported on macOS and won’t run and will default to a legacy version of csgo.
Sounds great but most monitors have problems with Macs. If you have to but a studio display to take full use of you Mac Mini then that will set you back 2000 euros
not true, the issue is Mac OS is crap, and it doesn't properly support 1440p, but 4k monitors work fine, so get the 32" 4k OLD monitor from MSI for $700 and voila, don't buy the studio display which sucks compared to the MSI model
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I wouldn't say budget, more like sff Windows PCs. Both can't upgraded, and windows sffps lose A LOT of value. But a budget tower? Never. You can make it "pro" down the road by just opening it up and adding new stuff. Imo if you don't care about upgradability and don't use any windows-only software, buy a Mac Mini M4. If you like gaming, add a handheld on top of that.
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In my case, for example, I would buy this + Steam Deck to play TF2, the only game that I play. If I wanted something with anticheat, then a Rog Ally. However, I do have a mATX PC and planning on reducing its form factor, but it's expensive and so no; if that wasn't the case, I would've just bought the Mac Mini tho. SFFPCs are hella expensive, but you can upgrade them tho. Minisforun vs Mac Mini M4? No fucking chance, Apple wins hands down all day
at 15 watts there is no better gpu lmao. nvidia's trash uses 10x the energy to produce similar results. ofc by nature of 15watts its not very powerful but you can game at 1080p decently., it's more powerful than 60% of steam hardware.
If you need you need more GPU performance than the M4 (which outperforms M1 Max in Blender) you can step up to the M4 Pro which is in-between the 4060 and 4060ti in raw performance (or M1 Max in Apple Silicon terms)
I just order it for $499!!!! but will not be in till mid Jan. haha I have my M1 Air till &I got a 4k 27" Samsung for it too was also on sale $299 from $599!
no, NVIDIA NVIDIA NVIDIA is saving the PC, there is a reason NVIDIA is worth more than Apple on the stock market, it's EVERYTHING that runs on NVIDIA, games, pro software, crypto, and AI
There is an idea I never thought about - Using my mac mini as a Matlab box. Like I said before. Other than editing Videos\photos\Music, Be honest, the Mac mini is a pretty powerful niche computer. Other than those apps, its a useless (IMHO) when compared to the utility of a PC.
@@valenzupc Got it. What’s the GPU used for i9-14900HX; plus i9-14900HX is laptop CPU. I would run it on desktop CPU with Nviidia 4080 or 4090， especially for AI development work. There are still lots of toolboxes for Matlab are not supported in Mac.
@yenjun0204 we tested the benchmark The Mac mini is better, except in 2D and 3D test. We also test one of our simulation code. The Mac mini is around 10 % better. We will test more code next weeks.
@@KatySei Bro, for games, just buy a $500 PlayStation. Not to mention, RTX 4090 is just a GPU part and costs $3,000 here in Canada. And $3,000 RTX plus other pc parts = over $5,000.
@@DustyKing There are many games that are not under PlayStation. Also People like to build thier own game machine much powerful than the playstation. GPUs are used for AI , bitcoin mining etc.. Not having the ability to drive GPU is an issue that cannot be ignored.
@@KatySeithen why are you here other than to troll? This isn’t even close to the market you are talking about. This is a pcs killer in the mini pc segment.
The sad thing is that it will become less and less of a good value as time goes on. In 7-8 years it will still start at 16gb ram and 256g ssd and will start to not be a good value with the upgrades required.
@@mac6575 Maybe but what I meant is that I will still be able to upgrade or replace my PC but you won't be able to replace your mini with another mini that will be a good value because it will still have the same specs.
I can pay 1349€ for a 13' MacBook air m3 8 core cpu 8 core gpu 256gb Or I can pay 729€ for a Mac mini m4 10 core cpu 10 core gpu 256gb + 140€ 2TB ssd + x2 200€ 27" 4k monitors + 100€ to get a mouse and keyboard
are you in the US? Amazon won't shoe it unless you change your address to 90210 etc., US postal code, they hid it if you visit Amazon from outside the US
The major failure in that comparisons to assume that 256 GB of storage is equivalent to 2 TB of storage. How does the price performance ratio behave if you set the standard to 512 GB or 1 TB of storage. Yes you can attach an external drive but thats the biggest issue with the apple products, the pricing strategy for storage and RAM upgrades. But for a fair comparison you have to take the upgraded prices minimum 512 or better 1 TB as a baseline. The 16 GB of RAM can be accepted, but also the 24 or 32 GB would be the fairer comparison. What is outstanding the power efficiency of the apple silicon.
I went to Apple Silicon with the M1 Air, now have a M4 mini. And ye I'm never buying x86 garbage again. I have a pc for games but I wanna move away from it. Tired of Windows as well. 0 crashes or problems with macos for the past 4 years. Hundreds of issues a year with every pc i've ever seen.
Crashing x86 hahaha it's seem your stuck in 2000s .. owned mac and PC Mac still limited than others using Photoshop AE DR.. and tonnes of program support On windows over mac even Linux still receive more slice of the cake over the mac.. in civil engineering financial HPC aerospace engineering Automotive AI inference and training nobody using MAC OS as their main device.. even m4 max or ultra easily being crushed by Xeon and Threadripper
If the Mac Mini was a plastic box with a pcie slot for an nvidia video card it would be a top seller. As it is, non-expandable storage and no video card make it suck. Get a PC instead.
I work as an embedded software engineer. None of the apps that I use are available for macOS. All are available for windows. Most have also been ported to x86 Linux. A Mac would be of zero use to me in my work.
You are not the target buyer though. And that population is so small the software you run will never be ported to macOS either. No benefit as they already cornered the market and no new market growth rate like us humans growing up needing computers
I'm myself a windows user since last 20 yrs finally made the switch to Mac mini M4 last week and loving it. The only reason I hold on to windows was for gaming but I got a PS5 last year and the PC no longer serves it purpose. Mac is way faster and runs very silent.
The Mac mini is lock-in to Apple. I’ll stick with the NUCs running Linux. I use my system for development and general use. I will stay free and secure, and not be imprisoned in the walled garden.
What’s wrong with a seamless ecosystem experience? Only people who talk trash are the ones who has never experienced or know how a seamless ecosystem experience is
@@DustyKingexactly Linux is even worse than windows in that regard. I love how the Mac, iPhone, iPad all work together as a team. This has improved quality of life not having different ecosystems that don’t play together well.
Dude! If you’re not going to do the work yourself and use all my data, at least don’t take it out of context. But I guess my conclusions don’t drive your narrative.
Hi. This was meant to be a shoutout to your channel. I clearly said your channel's name and showed your data. Which part was taken out of context? The M4 Mac mini won in almost every test and it was the clear performance per watt and price to performance winner.
@ I’m glad you found the video educational but that’s not how shoutouts work. You used practical all of my data in a way that dosen’t give the viewer a need to check out the original video to make their own conclusions. As far as context; For example you used gaming performance charts without including my commentary on how none of that data was actually comparable, or my notes on actual visual fidelity vs FPS performance. CS2 isn’t even compatible with MacOS which I clearly explained but isn’t relayed in your screen grab or commentary. You used my price to performance charts without including my further commentary on how any single upgrade to bring the Mac closer to the specs of the PCs completely destroys that value. Our styles are different. I don’t feed a narrative, for the most part I just provide the data and let the viewer draw their own conclusions.
Apologies for missing that context. The point of my video is focused on the base $600 model and how it's the best PC you can get in that price range, which makes it the best option for most regular people and even some doing productivity work.
@ I get it, no hard feelings. Again I’m glad you appreciate my work and I don’t mind a shoutout, next time just reach out first if you’re going to use that much of my data so we can ensure it is correctly presented.
As Windows 10 support coming to an end next year and Microsoft forcing PC users to upgrade not only to Windows 11 but also forced the users to by new CPU & Motherboard hardware to be compatible in order to run Windows 11. Apple is coming to rescue those PC users (most of them may have iPhone already) transition into the Apple ECO system at affordable price with power that a PC can not match.... Very Smart!
Yeah, Its a powerhouse in a small box. I still have a M1 16GB Ram, 512 GB SSD Mac Mini. Other than music/MIDI and Photo/Video editing, the software just isn't there. IMHO - Its' a polished machine, but it's just not as useful as a PC. so ...... I guess I need to buy more dust cloths to wipe the dust off my mac. Great content though.
@@otwer22there are numerous triple A games that won't play well if at all on Apple Silicon, BUT if you don't play games or need proprietary software that was designed specifically for x86 then Apple Silicon all the way yo! I personally own both haha
The pro level desktops are coming. They must be. If the mini pro is this good, they must be making a custom huge GPU chip for studios. I bet they dump the interconnects. Something wicked this way comes. ❤
Someone please help me. I am planning buy M4 Mac Mini with 32 GB RAM and 256 GB storage (As I already have 2TB super fast Nvme m.2 SSD). Is it a good option??
You really dont need 32gb ram unless you have a very very specific use case. What is your use case for the mac mini? And yes 256gb is good just use your external storage
@@shantanusahaindia4566 Makes sense. For your use case though even 32 gb ram might not be enough. I work with back end services and run windows on my mac through parallels and with 16gb ram its just about enough. It might be better for you to get a windows pc as you can configure those up to 64-gb ram without it costing a fortune. Though you'd be missing out on a unix based system but you can always install linux on windows
Sound cool. There is only one problem - Mac OS. We need Windows on this brick. P.s: There is no cheap display for the Mac - you need 4k (better 6K) monitor, otherwise your eyes will just bleeding after few hours looking at crazy soapy fonts. And window management just insane: it okay, if you run two applications - browser and FinalCut or whatever else, you need to produce videos for youtube. But for the real work - sorry, it's just peace of crap.
Windows have to finetune their software to run on intel, AMD and arm coz the apple silicon is going to ruin their reputation. The issue with those chips is power consmption and heat generated especially intel and AMD hence the smaller body limits its performance, but because apple fine tune the os and hardware there is just no competition
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Nice review! If possible please do an updated gaming on Mac video with Windows emulation sometime
In the budget PC market, the majority of the buyers would qualify for the educational discount. That $500 price point is really sweet.
It's already 500$ on Amazon right now for everyone, without needing the educational discount. That's a great deal indeed.
I am PC fan that loves to build my own rigs... but with the prices of every part getting higher and higher, it is time for me to jump ship. MacOS is a great operating that I know not much about, so the next 2 decades will be fun for me to explore!
More like six months until you fluent in macOS.
@@jansix4287But more like 2 decades to get support and compatability, especially for games, on par with Windows, sadly.
As a Windows, Linux and OS X user I can promise that when you start using OS X you will feel like you are in the future. Windows will feel like the Fisher Price of interacts. And the memory management... I could go on. Although I don't see using it without a trackpad. IDK if the Magic Mouse gives that functionality or not. I'm ambidextrous and use a trackpad with my right hand and mouse with my left on a MacBook. The trackpad ads great interface functionality. If the Magic Mouse (or whatever it's called) does the same, get one.
When I talk about the trackpage I mean things like the three finger swipe. Sorry about the typo’s I didn’t feel like editing my post. The bluetooth keyoard mouse combi I am using with my Air is fully OS X compatable with proper key labeling and all hat. Works great
the only problem is 99% of the windows/pc users will not admit that and they will remain with their idling electric heaters
Very wrong, windows users on windows subreddits recommend apple products at times if it fits criteria.
This is a good value pc for most people but once U upgrade it loses all its value.
I just got a windows one (Dreamquest Pro) and honestly I love it so far, it's chunkier than others but has loads of ports and has made it so I can actually use my monitor as a pc
I’m making the switch. Although the cost is tough for me. I’m hoping for longevity
Not true at all. It just has to pass the checklist.
A) Is my work software compatible with MacOS? If yes, good 👍.
B) For non-gamers or those that can on a PS5, good 👍.
C) Other minor creature comforts don't bother you, final confirmation to switch.
@@bryanrainey4756If you can’t afford 2 of any product, don’t buy one either, and buy something cheaper, or fix your financial situation instead.
The M4 Mac Mini is the first Mac I've ever bought. I upped the RAM to 24gb though.
And at Microcenter (if you're lucky enough to be close to one) its only $499.99
True. Also they have the M4 Pro Mac mini currently on sale for $1,199, which is $200 off the $1,399 base price. I just picked up the M4 Pro Mac Mini model for $1,199 at my local Microcenter in Saint Louis, Missouri.
It’s actually $500 on Amazon right now. The price went down after I made the video
Costco has it for 499.99 right now, normally 579.99. Crazy
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Sold out pretty much everywhere. My store is sold out.
My mobile life will shift towards a sedentary life one day. The new Mac mini will certainly be on top of my list when that day comes to have a desktop setup because it has surpassed all expectations, including price.
I'm going to be switching from a 2012 iMac 27 to a new Mac Mini. What would be a good monitor to buy that won't break the bank? Thanks for all your videos.
You can most likely use your iMac 27 screen for you minimac
@@mazambaan That hasn't worked since 2014.
I’d suggest going for something with at least 2k resolution. I wouldn’t look for HDR cause I couldn’t get HDR to run without colour banding on my HP U28 4K, but you could maybe test it out at the store if it works with the display you plan on buying.
You could take the mini with you to try at the store as it is small enough. 😂😂😂
I love Benq! search for this 27 inch model: "BenQ MA270U 27”
Just got mine, it's amazing. Use it for streaming, 3 channels. Silent and powerful, no hiccups...shit just works 😊
For the plug it in and use it user, the m4 Mac mini is a great option, provided that they don't need more hard drive space. The fundamental problem with the m4 Mac mini is that prices go up very very quickly when you add memory and hard drive. Yes, you can purchase an external hard drive, but that's not plugging it and just use it.
If you compare the M4 Mini to Windows, the simple fact is that there are Windows programs that don't run on a Mac that people might need, although this is more of a business problem.
Now I do think that if you're going to look at price and performance, you should compare 32 gigs of RAM to 32 gigs of RAM, not 16 gigs of RAM to 32 gigs of RAM.
Using my M4 base model now. External NVME 1TB in enclosure. Quite happily playing wow on 1440p, capping frame rate a bit and settings on half/5 ish. Parallels 20 on it. All runs like a dream. Intel must have seen this coming from Apple because they killed their own NUC line. I had several of those over the years and even the best can’t hold a candle to this little beastie.
I have the m4, 16gb, 512 variant. Also run Parallels 20 with Windows 11/ Fedora. Runs very smooth. My m2 macbook air 16gb, 512 is now struggling with this workload.
Don’t know if either of you can point me in the right direction or send a link of what you used to format and get the external drive working. I set it up but can’t get my Mac to recognize…thank you
@@dylankirkpatrick9522 When I first connected the NVMe drive, I just went into the disk utility and did an erase with a format of APFS Encrypted. It’s a WD SN850X, by the way.
Even though I agree with most of your points, there are some things you overlooked.
A) Software compatibility for work. X86 is huge in the finance, insurance, accounting, Civil engineering, and mechanical engineering world.
B) Also, most games do not run natively on MacOS. Crossover costs over $70 annual to use non-native games on MacOS.
C) Type A port fans and fans of the button up front. It maybe a minor 1st world issue, but to many it makes their mini-PC experience more comfortable.
This machine is not geared for the work loads you are talking about, it’s a consumer home pc for every day use .
you already know you still need PC if you have these types of questions
Crossover is a one-time fee. You don't rent the software. You can buy an annual subscription for upgrades, but you're not forced à la Adobe.
@@otwer22 Exactly, though that won't stop plenty of pre-press shops from buy them.
No one who works in your A) group is using a mini pc .
I've been using a decent Risen 7 mini PC with 40 gigs of so-so ddr4 for awhile. It ought to blow a Mac at this price out of the water. I recently got my hands on a USED M1 MacBook Air with 8 gigs of ram. This is an M1 not even an M4 and only 8 gigs of ram. My Ryzen system is now network storage. I was a Mac user a very long time ago - think OS 10.6. Everything about OS X is so vastly superior. If my M1 is is performing this fantastic (with the same 75 hertz 1440p monitor I've been using) with a 4 year old processor and only 8 gigs of ram, I can't imagine how great the M4 Minis are. And the integration with my iPhone is great. I've also been a Linux user since about 1996. Everyone is talking about ditching Windows for Linux No, ditch Windows of OS X outside of ideological reasoning. NOTICE: I am not a gamer but I do some web dev and related graphics stuff. At this point I am debating on the new M4 Mini with more storage or aiming for a used M1 Pro\Max.
Really wish Thunderbolt displays could power the mini off the cable alone, ah well
Maybe I am alone with this thought, but what I think would push this over the edge would be windows on arm via BootCamp 2. Then x86/64 in this range would be dead.
I run Win11 ARM64 in Parallels on my M1 Mini. Runs without a hitch, on the rare days that I need it for something. My PC went out the door years ago.
@ I run VMware fusion and at time UTM. I think it boils down to seeing the data through raw metal and not emulation or virtualization. Also I am having issues running MSFS 2020 via Xbox app. Yeah I know I can do Xbox cloud but I’m a little stubborn, lol.
Something that programmers might want to know, gcc is not yet supported on apple silicon.
I haven’t noticed its absence! When do you need it over Clang?
That'll be important . . . to 1% of buyers.
Yeah, i tried using homebrew to compile my single threaded simulation program with gcc. the code then runs like 30% slower than in my clocked down 14900k (it is supposed to be faster for single threaded workload right?). maybe it will be faster if I use clang, but so far, the source can't be compiled using default clang compiler. maybe i need to rewrite the code.
This is the first ever mac I owned
1:37 The 185H is not the latest and greatest Lunar Lake chip. It's actually a last gen Meteor Lake chip, Lunar Lake is the 200 series.
yes!
@@meh2285 True, but Lunar Lake isn't a power performance CPU. It's best for business laptops.
@@akin242002 Lunar Lake has better single core performance, graphics, and battery life. The only thing is is better at is multi core performance. If by "business laptops" you mean devices best suited for documents, spreadsheets, ect, then the power efficiency and single core performance of Lunar lake seems more useful than the multi core performance of Meteor Lake.
After carefully analyzing and considering all benefits and price factors, I finally pulled trigger on iMac (M4) which is currently up to $100 off on black Friday sale, gives 24Gb Memory /512Gb Storage / 10 core CPU/GPU, 4 thunderbolt ports, 24 inch 5K screen, keyboard with Touch Id, mouse ( both with USB - C port), studio quality 3 mic array, 6 speakers, 12 MP camera plus more.
I was earlier considering Mac Mini (2024) but iMac (2024) won me all over with its complete suite of ecosystem
I almost did the same, but actually I am thinking now about stretching to Mini + ASD, if only I manage to find the second in a good deal.
@ if you find a affordable ASD then it's worth it. Still I wouldn't prefer either a model with 256GB storage or a keyboard without touch ID which is totally a game changer honestly 😉
@ who said you can’t get keyboard with touch id with mac mini. That’s exactly what I’m going to do. Choosing a different mouse though.
@ Neither did I say that you couldn't, I meant when you put such accessories together it costs the same.
A few things to say,
Upgradeable custom SSD module? This really only happened to be possible once in Apple's recent history, since they introduced the T2 security chip. Mac Pro 2019. Only officially supported mac for custom Apple SSD upgrades, since the T2 chip. Imac Pro 2017 can technically be hacked into working with Mac Pro 2019 SSDs but this is not easy to do nor officially supported.
Use cases for owning a Mac are a bit narrow, compared to a Windows PC, even if you need to spend a bit more now on PC to match the price to performance to form-factor value proposition. I think that outside of the apple ecosystem use case, developer use case, audio / video / media production editor use case, the PC still rules with regards to vastly more available software support.
I am a mac user, and I love my macs, however I still need an x86 based PC on the side to complement it, for all those other things that Mac can't quite do easily just yet, and to name something really annoying but obvious would be firmware updates to device X, Y, Z, as only Windows is supported for the update utility.
It's not really comparing Apple to Apples here, I think, nor will likely ever be. No doubt however, the new Mini is great at it's baseline offering, for most casual users.
Another thing to say on SSD speeds and the Mini is that it's abysmal to today's standards of m.2 gen4 and up NVME standards. Only Mini M4 Pro offers acceptable R/W speeds, but if you need to buy it to have decent SSD speeds then the value prop is gone.
Nah Mac is still better bro
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What do you use to show you temperature and fan speed in the top menu bar of the macbooks in your videos?
The base configuration is indeed a good deal. The problem is, Apple's prices for additional RAM and Storage are just ridiculous and not in line with the rest of the industry. 256GB storage is pretty much a joke for this day and age. Base configuration should be 512GB.
I'd say get the extra ram and buy an external SSD.
@@maravreloaded not good enough, it needs 512GB storage built in
@@Garrus-k1v No it doesn't. 256 is plenty for the OS and Apple Apps; everything else can be on an external 1.0 or 2.0 TB NVMe.
I got a Dreamquest Pro for £140, im loving it so far. 512gb hdd and 16gb ram
HDD??? did I just read that someone loved a build with an ancient drive right now?? Well, at least you loved it.
Not surprised since it's at least 5 years out of date.
@@enz0_25 from what I found online it's a 2022 model so I may have got the specs wrong with what I said
I bought the M4 Mac Mini for my step mom to do basic tasks. Still don't think it replaces a PC for a power user. Looking forward to Strix Halo where AMD will really push the mini PC hard.
this new Mini will do a decent job convincing the grandma/grandpa user who are still using Intel Mac Mini's to upgrade
The problem is upgrading the RAM and Storage. The default RAM is fine, but 256GB of storage is not enough for a PC. The minimum acceptable is 512GB only if you are going to buy external storage
Just got one for $499.99 on Costco. Unbeatable.
I get being really happy with the new Mini (in fact, I'll probably grab one before the year is up), and I get that your job is to make fun Apple content and that means maintaining a positive and pro-Apple vibe, but you really don't have to praise Apple so enthusiastically like that for "keeping the price the same and doubling the memory", as if not charging users $200 to go from 8 to 16gb is some incredibly generous move on their part.
They still make the bulk of their extremely healthy profit margins by charging customers 10-20x the retail standard for RAM and flash storage, and that's still a scummy business practice, no matter how much we like the products that Apple make or even the company/history/people themselves. On the storage side, they're still starting at an egregious 256gb (because they're gonna walk right up to the line of forcing their customers to spend those $200 without outright crossing it) after spending years starting at 128, which was also super low for the time back then!
And I'm not saying that Apple shouldn't make their money, but they're like the most or second-most valuable company in the world. I'm old enough to remember when Apple was literally bankrupt. They managed to go from there to here by building computers that allowed their owners to do things like upgrade the RAM and storage. They don't need to be charging their customers $1000 to put a terabyte/$50 of storage into their Mac.
This is a great pc or laptop alternative for grandparents or kids, though you can get a lot of laptop for a similar price right now
I'm still waiting for Apple to put out an upgraded monitor. I have looked at many of them over at Best Buy and none come even close to the clarity of the Mac Studio Display. By the way, that display is now selling for only $1300 at Amazon.
Should I buy the M4 Mac mini with the m4 16gb 512gb or m4 pro 24gb 512gb for my use case? And do I need 1tb or 512gb is good enough? I need it for beginners photo and video editing, programming, web browsing, watching RUclips videos, listening to music and podcasts with high quality audio interface and headphones amp.
M4 Pro
If you need to ask, you don't need to upgrade. (M4/16GB/256GB)
@@jansix4287and just add external ssd. Storage problem solved!
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Basic 16gb Mac mini m4 256gb along with a 1tb USB C external drive will be more than sufficient for your use case.
This argument only holds water is you want a base Mac Mini. Once you spec it up the value proposition falls over quickly.
A $1,000 M4 Mac mini is still faster than a $2,000 windows pc.
@@DustyKing Yes and not...I'm a Mac User but for my son who plays video games a PC will always be the best choice...The Mac got it all but clearly not for a gamer.
For the increased price I prefer to wait for the Air M4
@ Bro, just buy him a $500 PlayStation. No need to waste $5,000 on a windows pc. Even a $1,000 windows pc is slower than a $500 PlayStation. And on Black Friday deals, you can’t build find a brand new PS5 around $350.
My main tech investments this year were the SP11 (sdxe) and the M4 mini, which will replace my M2 max mac studio. My only complaint with the mini are the bad upgrade prices from the base model.
you can't complaint for additional 256GB @ $200
when you know Windows selling no hardware box for $350
They offer, they won't sell at that price.
The Mac mini may be the best value, but good luck turning that thing on.
😂😂😂😂😂 had to go there.
Not an issue, unless you have sausage fingers. In which case you might put a coaster under it.
I’m a Mac user, but saying that there’s no catch is a bit disingenuous. Some people still want Windows for gaming. Sure they can game on Mac but there are limitations.
For gaming, just buy a $500 PlayStation. There’s no point in wasting $5,000 on a windows pc if gaming is your main use case, only reason to buy a windows pc is if you need to use windows OS for other stuff.
@@DustyKing there is a big reason why the PS sucks for gaming, and that is mouse and keyboard support, if they don't require that for every game with the PS6 for example, PC will reign supreme
@@Garrus-k1v Controller is better for gaming compared to keyboard and a mouse. Using a keyboard and a mouse is super uncomfortable for gaming.
Buying PC parts can't outperform an advanced SOC, but when it comes to gaming the opposite is true. I'm hoping Apple buys Intel's ARC GPU business and develops its own eGPU solution with native driver support for Thunderbolt 5.
Don't forget the $650 M1 MacBook Air, sold at Wal-Mart, which is a killer do-it-all laptop for the average consumer. If Apple hands Wal-Mart a bargain-basement M1 Mini, with a price on the order of $350 . . . let's just say I wouldn't want to be a PC maker.
when will apple support Windows 11 ARM bootcamp for this?
Never!
@@otwer22 parallels works okay already but bootcamp would be even better.
Yes I use parallels, bootcamp is a hardware solution, Apple has no incentive to support that anymore, why would you when parallels is good enough for most.
@@otwer22 games.
The Mac mini has Wi-Fi 6E and Bluetooth version 5.3, wrong at 1:25
The only catch is the base storage amount. As soon as you upgrade, the value plummets. I would not hope for upgradable ssd post purchase until the products are actually out.
Since two M4 Mac Minis are less expensive (than the storage and memory upgrade of the base models) would it be possible to put 2 Mac Minis in a sort of RAID MODE and make them more powerful even than the M4 Pro chip?
If apple actually pushes this machine as "the only home computer you'll need for a decade", they'll sell millions upon millions of them. They're low margin products relative to ipads and macbooks, so who knows if that's really in their interest.
this is just the end of building gaming windows PC
One ongoing issue with macOS is lack of entry level 200dpi displays on the market. For entry level I mean something like 4K 23". With typical 27" 4k display in "1440p looks-like" mode macOS fonts have uncanny blur which drives me crazy, coming from Windows and Linux, which manage to provide pixel-perfect scaling for any scaling factor. And lots of organizations and homes still rely on 1080p & 1440p low DPI displays which look good only with subpixel font smoothing supported, which is still the case for most of Windows and Linux software. On macOS low-dpi text rendering is terrible.
When they are both relatively cheap now, why not get both? The base model will mostly likely be a second device anyways.
You're not comparing this properly if you boost up the mini with 32 gigs ram and 1 terabyte hard drive the mini would cost about as much or more. How can this be a fair comparison?
You get a 1TB NVMe stick for $60 and put it in an external enclosure. As for memory, the M4 with 16GB already outperforms Intel or AMD machines with 32GB; feel free to make it "fair" by crippling the latter with half the memory, and see how the comparison works out that way. 😄
@@jpdemer5 I'm talking about comparing the cost. The other machines have 1 terabyte drives that makes them more expensive.
This gen of A-silicon is another game changer just like the M1 was. If anybody hasn't updated from their Intel Macs, now is a good time.
I have s 55” Sony 4k Smart TV with 4 hdmi ports and was wondering if it will work as a monitor for the mac mini m4?
Would you mind publishing a video comparing the M2 Pro base Mac mini to the M4 Mac mini?
Yes we already did. It’s the one with 4 Mac minis in the thumbnail
I think you are completely missing a key point re: application software and specifically with Microsoft Outlook for email in my case. Disclaimer: I hate email and it over used but unfortunately need to use it to communicate with clients. Mac Outlook does work but is inferior to Windows version re: opening multiple Windows (unless I am missing something). On my Mac using Outlook Web version is much better than the Mac Outlook desktop version but not as good as Windows Outlook.
-I am a very long time Windows user, professionally develop application software; moved to Mac for media nerding with MacBook Pro 16" M1 for FCPX and Apple Photos / Lightroom.
-Now have Mac Mini M4 Pro as of yesterday.; also have iPad pro 13".
How is this missing the point, he has a limited amount of time a resources to build videos. People don’t care about office apps as they are always plenty fast. Max can’t account for every little use case and include that in his videos.
@@otwer22 thank you, that is why I commented. I love my Apple hardware products however the overall solution is key. My comment is not about performance Mac vs PC. Unfortunately I have spend too much time while running a tech business using email and the Windows version of Outlook is massively more productive in many areas. If I had more time I should do a 10 minute piece.
@@hms350I use outlook on a pc at work as well, so I get the differences. There are some bolt ons that can make apple mail pretty damn close to outlook. I don’t use them but my boss does since he is the only one who uses a Mac at work. My point is I feel for Max, he gets so many requests for every little configuration of Mac’s, then software, then to top that off a bunch of people who come in here complaining about lack of upgradable hardware and comparing pc hardware when that is not the point of the vlog.
@@otwer22 the reason people use Windows is because of the 1000 small problems with Macs. that's 1000 times more customers for Windows
@@Garrus-k1vyou continue to troll why? I am fully aware of both computers and their short comings. I use a pc at work where I am an engineer and a Mac at home for all my other uses. If I had the option to use whatever I want at work I would choose a Mac since the programs I use have Mac ports or I could use parallels if needed. What are the 1000 little problems with Mac OS?
Good stuff!
Absolutely awesome
YET I CANNOT AFFORD IT
Why?
@@DustyKing There's an extra $800 OLED TV, which I need for a monitor.
They gotta do something abou their SSD & DRAM prices though
- they're still ridiculously expensive to get up to a normal amount of storage
- 1T should be the minimum for SSD
- and SDRAM ashould be $100 max for a 16G upgrade...
I don’t know how they did the CS2 benchmark on the Mac mini m4. Valve says CS2 is not supported on macOS and won’t run and will default to a legacy version of csgo.
Even game porting toolkit 2 can’t run?
Sounds great but most monitors have problems with Macs. If you have to but a studio display to take full use of you Mac Mini then that will set you back 2000 euros
not true, the issue is Mac OS is crap, and it doesn't properly support 1440p, but 4k monitors work fine, so get the 32" 4k OLD monitor from MSI for $700 and voila, don't buy the studio display which sucks compared to the MSI model
I wouldn't say budget, more like sff Windows PCs. Both can't upgraded, and windows sffps lose A LOT of value.
But a budget tower? Never. You can make it "pro" down the road by just opening it up and adding new stuff.
Imo if you don't care about upgradability and don't use any windows-only software, buy a Mac Mini M4. If you like gaming, add a handheld on top of that.
In my case, for example, I would buy this + Steam Deck to play TF2, the only game that I play. If I wanted something with anticheat, then a Rog Ally.
However, I do have a mATX PC and planning on reducing its form factor, but it's expensive and so no; if that wasn't the case, I would've just bought the Mac Mini tho. SFFPCs are hella expensive, but you can upgrade them tho.
Minisforun vs Mac Mini M4? No fucking chance, Apple wins hands down all day
Its actually $500 (because Apple doesn't verify education pricing eligibility)
CPU is great, but the GPU part is still underwhelming. Waiting for the Studio.
at 15 watts there is no better gpu lmao. nvidia's trash uses 10x the energy to produce similar results. ofc by nature of 15watts its not very powerful but you can game at 1080p decently., it's more powerful than 60% of steam hardware.
The iGPU in the M4 is pretty good for the price but M4 Pro is a big step up. The M4 Max is a beast for integrated graphics.
If you need you need more GPU performance than the M4 (which outperforms M1 Max in Blender) you can step up to the M4 Pro which is in-between the 4060 and 4060ti in raw performance (or M1 Max in Apple Silicon terms)
I just order it for $499!!!! but will not be in till mid Jan. haha I have my M1 Air till &I got a 4k 27" Samsung for it too was also on sale $299 from $599!
I got mine and yeah its great. This thing is going to go up in price next year, mark my words. Get it now while you can.
THE ONLY THING SAVING PC IS GAMES GAMES GAMES
PS5 PS5 PS5
Agree, but for now …
And work software that only runs on X86.
no, NVIDIA NVIDIA NVIDIA is saving the PC, there is a reason NVIDIA is worth more than Apple on the stock market, it's EVERYTHING that runs on NVIDIA, games, pro software, crypto, and AI
Apple needs to release a budget monitor to go with the mini.
True. A $500-$700 fully aluminum made monitor would be awesome.
Dell makes a decent 4K for under $500US.
@@fumblerooskie but those are made of cheap plastic tho
How about evaluation against Windows 365 Link?
We tested the Mac mini M4 Pro with Matlab. It is awesome!
It’s Pro, not base model
@yenjun0204 Yes but it performs better than an Asus i9 14900HX
There is an idea I never thought about - Using my mac mini as a Matlab box. Like I said before. Other than editing Videos\photos\Music, Be honest, the Mac mini is a pretty powerful niche computer. Other than those apps, its a useless (IMHO) when compared to the utility of a PC.
@@valenzupc Got it. What’s the GPU used for i9-14900HX; plus i9-14900HX is laptop CPU. I would run it on desktop CPU with Nviidia 4080 or 4090， especially for AI development work. There are still lots of toolboxes for Matlab are not supported in Mac.
@yenjun0204 we tested the benchmark The Mac mini is better, except in 2D and 3D test. We also test one of our simulation code. The Mac mini is around 10 % better. We will test more code next weeks.
Well, it’s $700 USD here, but still there nothing as powerful at that price range, not even close.
It can't be a windows pc killer if you can't drive a GPU with it.
What? 🤦♂️
@@DustyKing Have you tried to use Nvidia GPU with it? Playing Games?
Fine tuning AI models?
@@KatySei Bro, for games, just buy a $500 PlayStation. Not to mention, RTX 4090 is just a GPU part and costs $3,000 here in Canada. And $3,000 RTX plus other pc parts = over $5,000.
@@DustyKing There are many games that are not under PlayStation. Also
People like to build thier own game machine much powerful than the playstation.
GPUs are used for AI , bitcoin mining etc..
Not having the ability to drive GPU is an issue that cannot be ignored.
@@KatySeithen why are you here other than to troll? This isn’t even close to the market you are talking about. This is a pcs killer in the mini pc segment.
The sad thing is that it will become less and less of a good value as time goes on. In 7-8 years it will still start at 16gb ram and 256g ssd and will start to not be a good value with the upgrades required.
In 7-8 years, your mini windows pc will probably have been in the dustbin for 4 years!
@@mac6575 Maybe but what I meant is that I will still be able to upgrade or replace my PC but you won't be able to replace your mini with another mini that will be a good value because it will still have the same specs.
The era of full fat space heater PCs IS FINALLY OVER!!!!!! LONG LIVE THE Mac Mini the best budget pc ever!!!!!!
Exactly a budget pc! A full fat space heater PC is not budget my friend and will destroy the Mac mini in overal performance!
I can pay 1349€ for a 13' MacBook air m3 8 core cpu 8 core gpu 256gb
Or
I can pay 729€ for a Mac mini m4 10 core cpu 10 core gpu 256gb
+ 140€ 2TB ssd + x2 200€ 27" 4k monitors + 100€ to get a mouse and keyboard
That is not a Lunar Lake mini PC. It is an old Meteor Lake one. Should fix that in the video.
The link for Mac mini does not work
are you in the US? Amazon won't shoe it unless you change your address to 90210 etc., US postal code, they hid it if you visit Amazon from outside the US
The major failure in that comparisons to assume that 256 GB of storage is equivalent to 2 TB of storage. How does the price performance ratio behave if you set the standard to 512 GB or 1 TB of storage. Yes you can attach an external drive but thats the biggest issue with the apple products, the pricing strategy for storage and RAM upgrades. But for a fair comparison you have to take the upgraded prices minimum 512 or better 1 TB as a baseline. The 16 GB of RAM can be accepted, but also the 24 or 32 GB would be the fairer comparison.
What is outstanding the power efficiency of the apple silicon.
What do you think will happen to the prices in 2025 after tariffs kick in? Might make a good video.
Another reason for US customers to buy their Mini now.
Can someone explain
Intel 7nm chip giving compitition to apple 3nm chip.
What happened when Intel come to 3nm or lower?
It’s going to take 5-10 years until Intel develops 3NM processors and Apple will be way ahead at that time.
@DustyKing and can apple gpu top if it start using equivalent power compair to nvidia or amd?
@ depends on the processor and yes
Remaining these PCs work with eGPU but Mac mini isn't.
I would rather have my 600$ computer than the new Mac mini, which is why i returned it.
What do you mean?
huh?
I went to Apple Silicon with the M1 Air, now have a M4 mini. And ye I'm never buying x86 garbage again. I have a pc for games but I wanna move away from it. Tired of Windows as well. 0 crashes or problems with macos for the past 4 years. Hundreds of issues a year with every pc i've ever seen.
Just buy a $500 PlayStation for gaming.
You should try Crossover 👀
Unless you play online games with anti-cheat, you can play just about anything 😅
@ not everything is available on Playstation
Crashing x86 hahaha it's seem your stuck in 2000s .. owned mac and PC Mac still limited than others using Photoshop AE DR.. and tonnes of program support On windows over mac even Linux still receive more slice of the cake over the mac.. in civil engineering financial HPC aerospace engineering Automotive AI inference and training nobody using MAC OS as their main device.. even m4 max or ultra easily being crushed by Xeon and Threadripper
@ No 🤦♂️
how can i run windows on this? 😅 as long as its not Intel
You told us two weeks to not to get the base model…
If the Mac Mini was a plastic box with a pcie slot for an nvidia video card it would be a top seller. As it is, non-expandable storage and no video card make it suck. Get a PC instead.
I work as an embedded software engineer. None of the apps that I use are available for macOS. All are available for windows. Most have also been ported to x86 Linux. A Mac would be of zero use to me in my work.
Emulators work
Yep - it's just a cult. :P
Parallels allows windows and Linux. The performance would still be very good.
You are a tiny niche case.
You are not the target buyer though. And that population is so small the software you run will never be ported to macOS either. No benefit as they already cornered the market and no new market growth rate like us humans growing up needing computers
It's a great machine but for people needing a lot of meomory ram , it's a not enough.
$400 to double the ram? Are they kidding?
I'm myself a windows user since last 20 yrs finally made the switch to Mac mini M4 last week and loving it. The only reason I hold on to windows was for gaming but I got a PS5 last year and the PC no longer serves it purpose. Mac is way faster and runs very silent.
The Mac mini is lock-in to Apple. I’ll stick with the NUCs running Linux. I use my system for development and general use. I will stay free and secure, and not be imprisoned in the walled garden.
What’s wrong with a seamless ecosystem experience? Only people who talk trash are the ones who has never experienced or know how a seamless ecosystem experience is
@@DustyKingexactly Linux is even worse than windows in that regard. I love how the Mac, iPhone, iPad all work together as a team. This has improved quality of life not having different ecosystems that don’t play together well.
I'd buy one if I could use my SAS storage.
Dude! If you’re not going to do the work yourself and use all my data, at least don’t take it out of context. But I guess my conclusions don’t drive your narrative.
Hi. This was meant to be a shoutout to your channel. I clearly said your channel's name and showed your data. Which part was taken out of context? The M4 Mac mini won in almost every test and it was the clear performance per watt and price to performance winner.
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@ I’m glad you found the video educational but that’s not how shoutouts work. You used practical all of my data in a way that dosen’t give the viewer a need to check out the original video to make their own conclusions. As far as context; For example you used gaming performance charts without including my commentary on how none of that data was actually comparable, or my notes on actual visual fidelity vs FPS performance. CS2 isn’t even compatible with MacOS which I clearly explained but isn’t relayed in your screen grab or commentary. You used my price to performance charts without including my further commentary on how any single upgrade to bring the Mac closer to the specs of the PCs completely destroys that value. Our styles are different. I don’t feed a narrative, for the most part I just provide the data and let the viewer draw their own conclusions.
Apologies for missing that context. The point of my video is focused on the base $600 model and how it's the best PC you can get in that price range, which makes it the best option for most regular people and even some doing productivity work.
@ I get it, no hard feelings. Again I’m glad you appreciate my work and I don’t mind a shoutout, next time just reach out first if you’re going to use that much of my data so we can ensure it is correctly presented.
As Windows 10 support coming to an end next year and Microsoft forcing PC users to upgrade not only to Windows 11 but also forced the users to by new CPU & Motherboard hardware to be compatible in order to run Windows 11. Apple is coming to rescue those PC users (most of them may have iPhone already) transition into the Apple ECO system at affordable price with power that a PC can not match.... Very Smart!
Yeah, Its a powerhouse in a small box. I still have a M1 16GB Ram, 512 GB SSD Mac Mini. Other than music/MIDI and Photo/Video editing, the software just isn't there. IMHO - Its' a polished machine, but it's just not as useful as a PC. so ...... I guess I need to buy more dust cloths to wipe the dust off my mac. Great content though.
What is it that you can’t do on a Mac that you can do on a pc? Curious as o used to think that was as well.
@@otwer22there are numerous triple A games that won't play well if at all on Apple Silicon, BUT if you don't play games or need proprietary software that was designed specifically for x86 then Apple Silicon all the way yo! I personally own both haha
@@bigeggrollfor gaming, just buy a $500 PlayStation. No need to waste $5,000 on a windows pc if gaming is your main use case on a windows pc.
Most Music Professionals use macOS
@@otwer22 after effect work, 3d work..erc
ELEVATED SYSTEMS IS AWESOME !!!🎉🎉🎉
I love my macs, I was once a windows user. In my experience, its tough to get windows users to try and use macs. They are afraid.
I was to but got tired of all my devices not working together, went apple eco system and am much happier now since everything works well together.
can you video edit on this?
Of course.
The pro level desktops are coming. They must be. If the mini pro is this good, they must be making a custom huge GPU chip for studios. I bet they dump the interconnects. Something wicked this way comes. ❤
The Mac Studio will get the exact same M4 Max chip we already saw in the MacBook Pro. No redesign, no miracles!
give the OS market share instead.
If only there where more game ports. Like galactic civ or sins of solar empire
Someone please help me. I am planning buy M4 Mac Mini with 32 GB RAM and 256 GB storage (As I already have 2TB super fast Nvme m.2 SSD). Is it a good option??
Get at least 512GB on the Mac mini.
Yep
You really dont need 32gb ram unless you have a very very specific use case. What is your use case for the mac mini? And yes 256gb is good just use your external storage
@rhyme5218 as I am a network engineer so I need to setup some complex network labs and run dozens of virtual network devices..
@@shantanusahaindia4566 Makes sense. For your use case though even 32 gb ram might not be enough. I work with back end services and run windows on my mac through parallels and with 16gb ram its just about enough.
It might be better for you to get a windows pc as you can configure those up to 64-gb ram without it costing a fortune. Though you'd be missing out on a unix based system but you can always install linux on windows
Sound cool. There is only one problem - Mac OS. We need Windows on this brick.
P.s: There is no cheap display for the Mac - you need 4k (better 6K) monitor, otherwise your eyes will just bleeding after few hours looking at crazy soapy fonts. And window management just insane: it okay, if you run two applications - browser and FinalCut or whatever else, you need to produce videos for youtube. But for the real work - sorry, it's just peace of crap.
Windows OS is a problem for many people. Linux and MacOS is way better.
Looks like you never owned or used an Apple silicon Mac
Windows have to finetune their software to run on intel, AMD and arm coz the apple silicon is going to ruin their reputation. The issue with those chips is power consmption and heat generated especially intel and AMD hence the smaller body limits its performance, but because apple fine tune the os and hardware there is just no competition
Windows doesn't have a (good) reputation. People use it, because they are used to thinking it's a monopoly which can't be avoided.
Failed to discuss recurring cost of Parallels + Windows 10 license to operate as a PC on a MAC.
*assumes you want to run windows on your Mac.
@@stevesretroloftMost of the video is spent comparing Mac mini to a PC