Prabhupada, Hare Krishna, Sexism, and Misogyny
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- Prabhupada’s Purport, Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 4.25.41 ‒
Prabhupada: In this regard, the word vikhyatam is very significant. A man is always famous for his aggression toward a beautiful woman, and such aggression is sometimes considered rape. Although rape is not legally allowed, it is a fact that a woman likes a man who is very expert at rape.
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I was part of it from age 5 through 35, now at 39 I'm more into just being vegan and a decent person. Great videos.
Being vegan and being a good person sounds about right to me!
No being vegan is also a cult. Call it plant based.
@@Dina_Bandhu_Dasa Veganism is based on ethics and morality and science. Not cheap sentiment like religion.
@@BishopSasarai no veganism is a cult
@@Dina_Bandhu_Dasa ISKCON is a cult with gurus who take everyone's money while doing no work
I'm an Indian Hindu, a devotee of Krishna, and I know that ISKCON is a cult with many of its tenets going against the very religion and tradition (Hinduism/Vedic culture) it claims to be a part of. If you are interested in eastern religions or spirituality, please do some research yourself, study the cultural context, and follow the practices yourself. You don't necessarily need an organization or a cult for that.
Start with reading the main scripture of the religion you wish to practice, ex. - Bhagavad Gita (NOT the ISKCoN version), Upanishads or Yoga Sutras for Hinduism.
I Have Read Gita's From All Most All Writers Like Gitapress , Swami Vivekananda, Mahatma Gandhi Etc. and Even Foriegn Writers But Couldn't Get That Connect But When I Came Across ISKCON And read Srila Prabhupada's Bhagvad Gita As It Is I Got That Connect
There's Absolutely No Difference Between Gitapress And As It Is By Prabhupad Infact You'll Find More Detail In As It Is By Srila Prabhupad, So I Would Recommend You To Read It
The Most Misinterpretation Are Done In Mahatma Gandhi Geeta So Absolutely Not Recommended
And Please Don't Talk In Air Your Comms Seem You Never Read Gita Just Heard From Someone
I am in love with Krsna 🙏🙏🙏 but the Bhagavad Gita of ISKCON is corrupted... There are many mistranslation...
The part where they all laugh about women being raped really makes my skin crawl and always has.
It pisses me off to no end. I would have roared against that bullshit if I was there and called Prabhupada out on that cruelty.
Kamadeva Dasa
If you had done that you would have been expelled.
That would not have made any difference to me. My relationship is with Radha and Krishna directly anyway.
And in fact he may have actually appreciated me calling that out in fact.
He has appeared in various dreams and indicated that he does appreciate me calling these things out.
But even if he "threw me out" I would not have felt any malice and I would just have kept on going the way I am now.
My practice is not defined by him or anyone else other than myself and Radha directly.
@@TheLustyDoll
You Should Hear The Full Conversation.
This controversy is silly, for it’s a common sense that rape cannot be pleasurable to the victim. But welcome to the age of Kali, where common sense itself is uncommon. There’s a psychology known as confirmation bias. Ideally one should follow where the evidence leads us, but people with confirmation bias by hook or crook make the evidences to comfirm their already established goal, they force the evidences to comfirm the already imagined conclusion. Because they are already envious of the Hare Krishna Movement, they have the confirmation bias to this extant that such silly allegations are also not rare these days. Srila Prabhupada in his books & recorded talks has ‘n’ number of times condemned Illicit sex. Even union without the purpose of procreation is condemned by Srila Prabhupada. However, here are few instances of Srila Prabhupada himself admitting that rape is torturous to women-
Srila Prabhupada’s Lecture on BG 1.36 -London, July 26, 1973-
“Innocent women, they are very much harassed after the war by the victorious party. You know, the soldiers are given freedom to rape the women.”
Srila Prabhupada during his Morning Walk -April 20, 1974, Hyderabad -
“That Central Park, nobody can walk there. I have heard from many women that they rape. The negros, they capture and rape. Life is unsafe even in a civilized city like New York.”
Here itself, the entire propaganda of the opposition has been destroyed.
Now, let’s draw our attention on the opponents’ most cherry picked quote from a morning walk of Srila Prabhupada where he said ‘women like rape’. The miscreants quote this again and again like a broken take recorder! There’s another place where Srila Prabhupada said women like rape, i.e. in his commentary on SB 4.25.41.
It’s such a ironic defeat for the miscreants, because there if we check the sentence in it’s entirety, Srila Prabhupada in the morning walk clearly said that women like rape ‘sometimes’. The miscreants deliberately removed the term ‘sometimes’. The use of the term ‘sometimes’ by Srila Prabhupada indicates it’s an exceptional case. It depends on various factors such as how did the attack take place, was it gang rape, was it violent, was the victim very lusty, etc. And for that Srila Prabhupada cites the story of a rape case from Calcutta (currently known as Kolkata), where the victim was left alive and not killed by the rapist. The attack wasn’t violent. The victim herself in the story was made to admit to the court that she felt some pleasure although she was raped. Who on earth would be that dumb to say that? if it was truly a brutal rape assault?
What Srila Prabhupada stressed in there is the psychology of women liking aggressive and forced sex, not necessarily be it rape, because rape is cruel. But rarely, it is also in the form of rape, and therefore Srila Prabhupada uses the term ‘sometimes’. And that’s what Srila Prabhupada meant to say. Forced sex gives a particular mellow which is liked by the one who is extremely lusty, be it any gender.
According to the reports based on search results, and the like, forced sex is one of the most famous pornography on the porn websites. In 1985, Louis H. Janda, an associate professor of psychology at Old Dominion University, said that the sexual fantasy of being raped is the most common sexual fantasy for women. A 1988 study by Pelletier and Herold found that over half of their female respondents had fantasies of forced sex.
Srila Prabhupada himself explains it while commenting on SB 4.25.41, as follows-
“A man is always famous for his aggression toward a beautiful woman, and such aggression is sometimes considered rape. Although rape is not legally allowed, it is a fact that a woman likes a man who is very expert at rape.”
Here again, we see the term ‘sometimes’. The man should also be ‘expert’ which indicates that the woman although hesitant initially, succumbs to the man’s ‘expert’ aggression and enjoys the attention and experience.
In the very next verse (4.25.42) we find in the Sanskrit the term ‘ghrina-uddhata’, meaning “aggressive mercy.” In this verse, the woman in the story of Bhagavatam, is expressing her attraction towards the man even more openly, saying:
“Actually you relieve the distress of husbandless women like us by your attractive smile and your aggressive mercy. We think that you are traveling on the surface of the earth just to benefit us only.”
And commenting on the above verse, Srila Prabhupada says-
“When a husbandless woman is attacked by an aggressive man, she takes his action to be mercy.”
Objection- In most of the rape cases, the helpless victims seek pleasure in the moment, but that doesn’t mean they chose to be raped, or that they liked the experience.
Refutation- Where's the 'objection' in this? that's what Srila Prabhupada meant to say aswell. Srila Prabhupada nowhere said that in these special cases the victims enjoyed the experience completely. He himself cites a rape case from Calcutta as an example. The woman had dragged the rapist to the court although she did feel some pleasure, as described by Prabhupada himself. Of course she didn't want to be raped, otherwise why would she had filed a case? and why would Srila Prabhupada quote this story at all?
In some cases the victim is helpless and is forced to feel pleasure. True. But in some other cases the victims are already extremely lusty. They are helpless in a different sense, meaning they liked the experience but is forced to feel displeased, because there are many consequences of being raped such as possible pregnancy, danger to our social status, damage to their chastity in the eyes of others, etc. They are 'helpless' & 'forced' to dislike the rape in total. Of course this isn't the case for everyone as many have strict chastity vows.
I'm fully aware of the "context" of all this conversation. That is precisely WHY it pisses me off so much. Prabhupada KNEW better than to say this stuff but he did anyway. So the "context" in this case is more or less irrelevant.
The main thing is he never apologized or acknowledged he was being cruel in laughing about such things and saying such things.
Yeah "sometimes" some crazy people like the idea of being amputated and all sorts of crazy off the wall shit.
By definition you can't actually "like to be raped" as it is sexual exploitation against one's will.
So what if "sometimes" someone gets sexual pleasure from it? Its irrelevant to this point.
If that was the case, it would actually by definition NOT be rape at all.
The other point is ITS STILL CRUEL AND CRIMINAL. There is therefore NO point in saying such things.
You can say "sometimes" about people liking ANYTHING. "Sometimes people who have Stockholm Syndrome "like" being abused" Which is a SYMPTOM of their abuse by the way. So women supposedly "sometimes liking" to be raped would just be a type of stockholm syndrome, a symptom OF their abuse in fact.
Which makes it even worse and even more cruel to laugh about!
Saying that stuff helps no one and is cruel, especially laughing about it. Which he never apologized for or made amends for. He never owned up to what he said there.
The fact is Prabhupada never apologized for laughing about saying that "women like to be raped sometimes"
Its the laughing part that was especially saddening. He could have EASILY apologized for that and made amends to all the people he would have known would not understand him properly.
He would agree with me on this too if he was around today.
Each individual has to take responsibility for what they say, including teachers.
Your statement that people call this out because they are "envious" of the Hare Krishna movement makes no sense at all. No, they are just calling out unnecessary cruelty where they see it.
That has nothing to do with "envy" whatsoever. In fact it has to do with actually CARING about the victims he was laughing about. The EXACT OPPOSITE of envy!
There is nothing to be "envious" of in the first place anyway. LOL
I myself am a Hare Krishna and take my practice very seriously and even I call this out.
I am FOR the Hare Krishna movement, the good aspects of it that is.
I'm not "envious" of it. Neither are people who are not Hare Krishnas either.
Why in the world would we be "envious" of our own practice?
That makes no sense at all.
Its not "miscreant" for people to actually care about others and to want teachers to own up to what they say and apologize for being cruel in what they say and do. That is just basic compassion.
@@TheLustyDoll You Quoted "The main thing is he never apologized or acknowledged he was being cruel in laughing about such things and saying such things.
Yeah "sometimes" some crazy people like the idea of being amputated and all sorts of crazy off the wall shit."
If you analyze Srila Prabhupada's every statement thoroughly then you'll understand that it is his style to speak less, direct and non-generic even if the people may not be able to digest it.
For example when Alfred Ford met Srila Prabhupada for the first time then Srila Prabhupada only said to him that “Where is Henry Ford now?” this single statement of him made Henry Ford a Lord Kṛṣṇa devotee and a renound member of ISKCON. This single event completely describes about Srila Prabhupada's ability to observe people's nature, he knew that which statement can convert a material person to spiritual. Hence we need to understand that Srila Prabhupada haven't said women like rape in ignorance or to demean women's position but on the other hand he just said the nature of women in a non-generic way.
You Quoted "By definition you can't actually "like to be raped" as it is sexual exploitation against one's will.
So what if "sometimes" someone gets sexual pleasure from it? Its irrelevant to this point.
If that was the case, it would actually by definition NOT be rape at all"
Rape & Illicit Defined
Today, the definition of rape has become synonymous with brutal assault. But for Srila Prabhupada, his definition is based on the social standards and laws of Vedic society and thus seems to be much different at its root, and broader in its application, as noted in his use of the term in the story of King Puranjana, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Fourth Canto, Chapter 25.
While the common definition today for rape is a forceful penetration without consent, it was not so long ago when rape was used in a broader sense, i.e., to rape the land, to seize or plunder or to seize or plunder womanhood, virginity. It was further then defined as sex against society’s norms and/or law.
To understand what type of sex, for Srila Prabhupada, falls within the purview of “against society’s laws and norms” one need only look to a word very commonly used by Srila Prabhupada, illicit. Illicit is defined as “outside of the law; illegal; illegitimate.” For Srila Prabhupada, raised in West Bengal a century ago, and living a life of Vedic standards, his definition of rape and illicit were understood through the eyes of very different social applications.
All devotees accepting initiation must follow four regulative principles, one of which is “no illicit sex.” While the definition of no illicit sex may vary slightly, all devotees would agree that at a minimum, it means no sex outside of marriage.
So, what is rape for Srila Prabhupada? How do we understand the use of rape and illicit in their everyday application and in his purport to the story of King Puranjana. In both instances, they in fact refer to all sex performed outside of marriage. Let us look more closely at the use of the word rape in the context of this very same Srimad-Bhagavatam purport, and while reading this text, consider:
What is the act being described that Srila Prabhupada is using to exemplify his definition of rape.
In this context, is this act of rape consensual?
You may find it helpful, as a reminder of the tone and mood of the original passage in Srimad-Bhagavatam, to reread that section. It is, in fact, the description of “a woman enjoying rape,” as commented on by Srila Prabhupada. It will also be good for those who are unfamiliar with the actual passage to read it.
My good sir, i would like to extend myself out and give you a big hug… i cannot thank you enough for putting this video together, alot of topics discussed here are things i also came across but was shut down for politely questioning, i cannot thank you enough for clearly articulating my concerns. You need more subscribers!
We love srila Prabhupada.
Jay prabhupada
Thanks for sharing…I am not a Iskcon devotee but went to their temple in Vrindavan… felt cheated when I wanted to buy a book and they literally made me buy 3 more at four times the cost…instead you can buy good religious books for less than one third the price at Geetapress Gorakhpur and Ramakrishna Mission
Plus they’re not written by a cult leader or associated with a cult!!!
I wish we could get Gita Press books, at that price, here in the USA. From my research, I wanted the Srimad Bhagavadgita - Sadhaka-Sanjivani , 2 Volume Set, with commentary by Swami Ramsukhdas- I found the set on the Vedanta website for a total price, with shipping for $29.00.
So Prabhupada saying that women like to be raped is the same as him saying that:
"people dying of disease enjoy dying of disease" or "amputees in pain like to be in pain"
Its total insane cruelty to say or even suggest such things. Total madness.
The only reason folks get away with saying ANYTHING of this insane magnitude, IS IF THEY HAVE A CULT FOLLOWING.
IN RELATION TO THIS TOPIC:
Prabhupada's vocal opposition to sannyasis funding hospitals was very strange and never sat right with me.
A: Because Sannyasa is not even supposed to be a thing ANYWAY in Kali Yuga (according to Chaitanya directly)
And its OBVIOUS WHY! All that comes out of it is kids more than likely getting raped, that's it.
B: So therefore why NOT help fund hospitals if you have the money to do so?
The claim that a hospital or dentist "does not help the soul" does not even make sense IF you actually do believe in the soul.
When I get my teeth cleaned and am aware of the horror I was saved from if I had no dentist around it is a very devotionally uplifting SOULFUL experience for me if there ever was one.
I would be really pissed off if I knew that a dental office or hospital that could have been built was specifically not funded due to a sannyasi or whoever thinking it "did not directly help my soul"
I'd be like what the f--- man! So now I'm just gonna die needlessly or have my teeth get fucked for no reason now?!
Or especially if my loved ones prematurely died of Covid or some other disease due to lack of hospitals available because some cult leader said so. That would really piss me off actually.
Being saved and cared for by people in a hospital or at the dentist is a very uplifting experience that can greatly help increase a person's confidence in devotion by increasing their appreciation for other people's help.
But in the world of culty "spiritual" matters, its all just big bombastic words and vast lofty concepts and constantly being told to "submit" to somebody. To either man or God "or else". One big continual threat nonstop.
Thank you for your video.
I’ve started going deep into Bhakti over the last few months and have loved every minute.
It has been presented to me in a balanced/ non extreme way.
I have a strong intuition and though I was strongly drawn to the beautiful people within the community and I have learnt so much, I was aware that I felt almost numb when I looked at Prabhupada.
I now know why 😞
These comments just cannot be ignored.
I’m feeling quite heartbroken, even though I’ve only been in the community for a short time. I can only imagine how it feels to leave after many years or a lifetime.
Ughh man I’m so disappointed 💔
Wishing you all the best and “all glories” to you for being so strong!!!
Good. It is very dangerous, and a house of cards/
Sri Ramakrishna and Ramana Maharshi are two very genuine gurus of fairly recent times.
Krishna Consciousness is very different than mundane material life. Some concepts are very controversial. But, these concepts are the way the material world actually is working. Don't be deluded. The present age is an age where everything is wrong. And as this present age progresses, it will not get any better, it will get worse. But, the solice is that this material world is not where any living entity belongs. All living entities are meant to live in the Spiritual Realm.
The material world is a place of suffering. The material world, often seems unfair.
On the other hand, the Spiritual World is completely conscious and full of true happiness. That is where we belong.
Don't let your so-called modern education and modern values rob you of the great opportunity available to you in this human form of life.
Shame on you !@@jcooks108 After hearing all this you are still trying to emotionally coerce someone to follow that vile and grotesque person's utterly false cult?! Wake up to yourself friend, he said we never went to the moon because it is a planet that's further from the sun the earth and the universe is 4 billion miles across. ACBS was an uneducated goose. You are being lied to. Get out, grow up and seek truths elsewhere.
Thank you for making these videos. These are things I struggled with when I was trying to become a devotee a few years ago.
Whenever I approached someone about this I would often get the same reply over and over which was "it's taken out of context " or "he didn't mean it like that"
I have not read any Iskcon books for ages and I am thinking of giving them away. I also think there are too many cult types brainwashed devotees who think their way is the only way or they seem to have some form of monopoly over spirituality and Krishna. They also have a habit of attacking atheists but can't seem to back up any of their beliefs using any logical or rational thought. I don't see them any different to the Abrahamic faiths.
You’re welcome :)
Prabhupāda: So far gurukula is concerned, that also, I have given program. They have given the name of “girls.” We are not going to do that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is that?
Prabhupāda: Girls. Boys and girls. That is dangerous.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Gurukula.
Prabhupāda: In that article.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, oh, oh.
Prabhupāda: Girls should be completely separated from the very beginning. They are very dangerous.
Tamala Krsna: So we’re… I thought there were girls in Vrindävana now. They said that they’re going to have the girls’ gurukula behind the boys’ gurukula. Gopäla was talking about that.
Prabhupada: No, no, no. No girls.
Tamala Krsna: It should be in another city or somewhere else.
Prabhupada: Yes. They should be taught how to sweep, how to stitch…
Tamala Krsna: Clean.
Prabhupada: …clean, cook, to be faithful to the husband.
Tamala Krsna: They don’t require a big school.
Prabhupada: No, no. That is mistake. They should be taught how to become obedient to the husband.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, you won’t learn that in school.
Prabhupada: Little education, they can…
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. That they can get at home also.
Prabhupada: They should be stopped, this practice of prostitution. This is a very bad system in Europe and America. The boys and girls, they are educated-coeducation. From the very beginning of their life they become prostitutes. And they encourage.
Morning Walk - March 14, 1974, Vrindavan:
I mean, some of this stuff is kind of funny. He thinks all western women are prostitutes. Lmao. Some of the sections look like they are coming straight from the quran, the hadith and the mouth of a muslim than it is coming from a realised Sannyasi. Like a lot of the ideas they have in about the submission of women in Wahhabi Islam are very similar. Beating her with a stick, the testimony of a rape, submission to husband, child marriages, etc. No offence to muslims, but there is a lot of that gender discrimination stuff in the quran.
He was bat shit nuts and completely uninformed. Dangerous
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@@crictube7531 nah you haven't Meet most of them yet
I'm glad I found this video. I've been a part of the ISKCON community 2 years ago, and recently left the same when I encountered red flags in everything about that association. Women were deeply treated unfair, were to be bowed down to the males, told to stay in the kitchen and cook where they belong, and much more misogyny that I can't discuss cause I may die from anger talking about this bullshit. My family are one of an orthodox household and I don't mind them being part of whatever as long as I'm not involved. I was looked down and got no defence from other women sitting RIGHT beside me, nodding persistently at the high male devotee when I and he were arguing about this topic and told me that "Pfft. You know nothing, kid. You're thirteen! Go pray and play with your friends." Thus, continued to cackle at me. I regretted that a day later but realized that I had better things to do rather than waste my time bickering with a stupid illiterate scoundrel.
I liked your video, keep up!
It honestly makes me so, so happy to know you found this video at a young age! There will always be men who try to oppress women, men who think they are better than women, men who abuse women. Stay strong and never let any man tell you they are better or smarter than you!
@@GauraRader Please stop speculating about Prabhupada, if you cannot see the wider picture.
@@GauraRader
This controversy is silly, for it’s a common sense that rape cannot be pleasurable to the victim. But welcome to the age of Kali, where common sense itself is uncommon. There’s a psychology known as confirmation bias. Ideally one should follow where the evidence leads us, but people with confirmation bias by hook or crook make the evidences to comfirm their already established goal, they force the evidences to comfirm the already imagined conclusion. Because they are already envious of the Hare Krishna Movement, they have the confirmation bias to this extant that such silly allegations are also not rare these days. Srila Prabhupada in his books & recorded talks has ‘n’ number of times condemned Illicit sex. Even union without the purpose of procreation is condemned by Srila Prabhupada. However, here are few instances of Srila Prabhupada himself admitting that rape is torturous to women-
Srila Prabhupada’s Lecture on BG 1.36 -London, July 26, 1973-
“Innocent women, they are very much harassed after the war by the victorious party. You know, the soldiers are given freedom to rape the women.”
Srila Prabhupada during his Morning Walk -April 20, 1974, Hyderabad -
“That Central Park, nobody can walk there. I have heard from many women that they rape. The negros, they capture and rape. Life is unsafe even in a civilized city like New York.”
Here itself, the entire propaganda of the opposition has been destroyed.
Now, let’s draw our attention on the opponents’ most cherry picked quote from a morning walk of Srila Prabhupada where he said ‘women like rape’. The miscreants quote this again and again like a broken take recorder! There’s another place where Srila Prabhupada said women like rape, i.e. in his commentary on SB 4.25.41.
It’s such a ironic defeat for the miscreants, because there if we check the sentence in it’s entirety, Srila Prabhupada in the morning walk clearly said that women like rape ‘sometimes’. The miscreants deliberately removed the term ‘sometimes’. The use of the term ‘sometimes’ by Srila Prabhupada indicates it’s an exceptional case. It depends on various factors such as how did the attack take place, was it gang rape, was it violent, was the victim very lusty, etc. And for that Srila Prabhupada cites the story of a rape case from Calcutta (currently known as Kolkata), where the victim was left alive and not killed by the rapist. The attack wasn’t violent. The victim herself in the story was made to admit to the court that she felt some pleasure although she was raped. Who on earth would be that dumb to say that? if it was truly a brutal rape assault?
What Srila Prabhupada stressed in there is the psychology of women liking aggressive and forced sex, not necessarily be it rape, because rape is cruel. But rarely, it is also in the form of rape, and therefore Srila Prabhupada uses the term ‘sometimes’. And that’s what Srila Prabhupada meant to say. Forced sex gives a particular mellow which is liked by the one who is extremely lusty, be it any gender.
According to the reports based on search results, and the like, forced sex is one of the most famous pornography on the porn websites. In 1985, Louis H. Janda, an associate professor of psychology at Old Dominion University, said that the sexual fantasy of being raped is the most common sexual fantasy for women. A 1988 study by Pelletier and Herold found that over half of their female respondents had fantasies of forced sex.
Srila Prabhupada himself explains it while commenting on SB 4.25.41, as follows-
“A man is always famous for his aggression toward a beautiful woman, and such aggression is sometimes considered rape. Although rape is not legally allowed, it is a fact that a woman likes a man who is very expert at rape.”
Here again, we see the term ‘sometimes’. The man should also be ‘expert’ which indicates that the woman although hesitant initially, succumbs to the man’s ‘expert’ aggression and enjoys the attention and experience.
In the very next verse (4.25.42) we find in the Sanskrit the term ‘ghrina-uddhata’, meaning “aggressive mercy.” In this verse, the woman in the story of Bhagavatam, is expressing her attraction towards the man even more openly, saying:
“Actually you relieve the distress of husbandless women like us by your attractive smile and your aggressive mercy. We think that you are traveling on the surface of the earth just to benefit us only.”
And commenting on the above verse, Srila Prabhupada says-
“When a husbandless woman is attacked by an aggressive man, she takes his action to be mercy.”
Objection- In most of the rape cases, the helpless victims seek pleasure in the moment, but that doesn’t mean they chose to be raped, or that they liked the experience.
Refutation- Where's the 'objection' in this? that's what Srila Prabhupada meant to say aswell. Srila Prabhupada nowhere said that in these special cases the victims enjoyed the experience completely. He himself cites a rape case from Calcutta as an example. The woman had dragged the rapist to the court although she did feel some pleasure, as described by Prabhupada himself. Of course she didn't want to be raped, otherwise why would she had filed a case? and why would Srila Prabhupada quote this story at all?
In some cases the victim is helpless and is forced to feel pleasure. True. But in some other cases the victims are already extremely lusty. They are helpless in a different sense, meaning they liked the experience but is forced to feel displeased, because there are many consequences of being raped such as possible pregnancy, danger to our social status, damage to their chastity in the eyes of others, etc. They are 'helpless' & 'forced' to dislike the rape in total. Of course this isn't the case for everyone as many have strict chastity vows.
@@Crazytesseract It is not speculation. It is on tape, and so much more.
I think I'm going to have to add more categories of female psychology in this sociological and social psychology understanding of women in cults.
Internalised Patriarchalism, Radical Feminism, Internalised Misogyny, Gender Separatism, Gynephillic Masochism, and the newest and last one would be Female Asceticism. Female asceticism is when a woman willingly takes on gender based discrimination and suffering as an spiritual austerity.
I was born into this religious cult, I even attended their Gurukula in Vrindavana, had all the "experiences" a student would have in a Gurukula, I left in 1995 and even though my parents and family followed the cult, I wanted nothing to so with them, eventually my whole family disassociated with ISCKON. I am God Concious and treat everyone with respect. Thanks for the video.
Vrindavan gurukula! A true OG!!! Sorry man I'm sure you have a million stories. My heart goes out to all of you who went through that.
Thanks for watching! That's awesome your whole family is out. I wish I could say the same haha.
I'm here for the religious fanatics' comments.
This is the classic: look what the person said! but don't look at what he did. Be genuinely intelligent, and look at what Prabhupada did! These comments of Prabhupada are indeed very unfortunate, BUT his actions are very happy. Prabhupada introduced women into practices that were unacceptable in India. Prabhupada welcomed women to be initiated, be pujaris, give classes, he directly encouraged Yamuna and other devotees a lot. People don't understand anything about the history of ISKCON. Iskcon became a fanatical environment with Prabhupada's departure from the planet. But Prabhupada did much more for women, animals and people than people who make videos highlighting half a dozen of Prabupada's bad statements, among hundreds of incredible attitudes. Men who often beat women, cheated, were terrible husbands, boyfriends, looked at pornography, etc., are criticizing Prabhupada's statements, while his attitudes should speak louder. Pay attention, this guy emphasizes speeches, more than attitudes. And I say this with good heart towards him, I am a woman in the movement and I have a lot of sexual, religious and preaching freedom. I have a leadership role, I teach, I speak my opinion openly, I am not repressed sexually, emotionally or in any way. I have a lot of support and a very healthy practice. People need to understand that religions have very sick people, this does not mean that all practitioners are not happy or are no good, this is childish.
These are important videos! thank you!
Thanks :)
Switched from the cult of ISKCON to the cult of woke liberalism. Good job 🤦🏽♂️
Yes I woke up from the dream of gods and demons and morality based on mythology to the reality of rational moral and scientific thinking. And thanks :)
in hinduism/sanatan dharam - noone follows entirely, so you read the scriptures and pick what you like, what you think is right--- and that's fine, that's what all hindus do
it means that even most people are even following a little part of hinduism still write them as hindus.
prabhupada follows everything that is written
and now the present is different
you can't agree with his thoughts and that's okay-- it's not like he did something wrong
he just spoke what in modern world considered as obsolete
and if speaking make some person as good or evil(not considering the curse words) than no one on this planet is pure
just my thoughts....
Finally someone said it clearly... Actually foreigners never will understand santan dharma....what prabhupada want to say...its really deep...its not about gender discrimination.... If u want to understand it you have to understand it different way....but in the end orgin is really matter...that’s it....
I hope a woman does see what you've posted about Prabhupad's misogynistic statements - and realises that they don't need a man to tell them their own self worth. Because self-love is so much better than gynephilic masochism, internalised patriarchalism & misogyny
Unfortunately many women are too attached to ISCKON's version of Hinduism that it would be almost impossible to convince them that there is Hinduism outside ISCKON.
I’m here after watching the Krishna documentary on peacock while I feel like they did a good job of explaining keith ham they did there very best to make it seem like it was only his devotees were the abusive ones and that the religion as a whole wasn’t problematic so I’m glad I stumbled upon this video!
Awesome, glad you found this!!
I guess I should watch it and make a response video haha. Just out of curiosity, what did you search after watching the peacock documentary?
I got my popcorn for this🍿🍿🍿
hahahahaha
Anyone can see that Prabhupada is a beautiful gentle soul..
How does one get brainwashed you can chant and your own home ?? In a temple you can leave when you want .. Prabhupada was teaching trying to have love for god nothing else ..
I havent read many of his books maybe one or two i do the sins also but he says chant anyone and youll get saved its true ..
Something happens when you sing and chant and listen to holynames its all in the name thats where he reveals himself to you.. We all have a fear of death chanting prooves to yourself that your spirit.. In the experience its true just chant and feel the love no overthinking chant like your singing
When I left ISKCON, I spent about six months to a year trying to answer the question of whether it was the books or the people who were the real problem behind all the abuses I experienced. Did ISKCON fall from some utopian grace, while Prabhupada was around? Or were the abuses baked into the books to begin with? Turns out it was the books. It was Prabhupada. And I hate calling him that. Swami Bhaktivedanta is a stretch. Abhay Charan De. I'd call him by his birth name more often, but I'm certainly not giving him the honorific title of "Prabhupada".
Absolutely, that’s the lie people in Iskcon use to justify all the bad stuff. Prabhupada is perfect, the teachings are pure but bad disciples corrupted everything. The truth is all the bad stuff came from the source. And that’s why there never will be a good version of this religion all the bad stuff is inextricably woven in with whatever good ideas there might be.
Anyhow, congrats on having the courage to face the truth and move on!!!
there is a stable understanding within ISKCON, that Prabhupada is pure devotee. It is also said that only pure devotee can recognize pure devotee, so who recognized him?
Prabhufraud is a good title
@@territmoderitmo9190 if i have four defects how can I know who is the pure devotee? especially when they lie about Prabhufraud and make claims about him that are false and he makes false claims about himself? its all based on lies.
inb4:
"Prabhupad was a pure devotee"
"You are an envious rascal"
"How can you understand a statement made on the level on the platform of an advanced devotee"
"You are taking things out of context"
"Prabhupad did so many great things"
"Don't throw the baby out with the bath water"
"You need to be advanced to understand the transcendental pasttimes of Prabhupad"
"Prabhupad was a genius"
"What have you done compared to Prabhupad?"
LOL "Truth is bawsed on personality".
LOL "Truth is based on personality".
We can't "understand" only becdause it is ioncoherent adn non factual.
If you consider racketeering, cultism, steealing donations from Christians, allow child abuse to keep going, no vetting people in charge of kids, allowing your church to degrade into a full blown criminal organization to be great then...."
Well compare my preaching to Prabhupada and you will find that I NEVER lied, or misreperesented.
"pure devotee" is an arbitrary tribalistic designation. Either we are all pure devotees, meaning EVERYONE, which is the actual sotry according to teh poems or no oneee is. There is nothing one can do to become who they already are.
@@guitarslinger_games No vetting, he also knew about their drug abuse issues and still made them into Sannyasis. He was literally a business priest, he owned a failing pharmacy business in India and his wife whom he married when she was the age of 11 hated him, his children were estranged from him, he took snuff tobacco supposedly reduce his blood pressure before he translated the Srimad Bhagavatam, he told his devotees to plagiarise the Bhagavad Gita translations using prewritten manuscripts, he brushed his teeth with his own concocted ayurvedic toothpaste made Calcium carbonate, oil wintergreen, and soap powder, powder hard soap, propably more likely to cause cancer, liver, kidney and gum problems then it is to clean teeth, he was a conspiracy theorist who denied the moon landing, an anti-semitic hitler supporter, a racist against blacks, and a misogynist who encouraged violence and rape against women and it actually happened within his organisation. His English was subpar at best and his disciples think he translated the gita and wrote all the purports where in reality Hayagriva and Jayadvaita edited 90% of everything, and fixed up all of his grammatical errors. He never read the Vedas, or the Upanishads, and his lineage is based off Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati who gave himself Sannyas by looking at a picture of a dead guru and talking to it. There’s so much sentimentality and mythologising of his character and his organisation its kind of disgusting.
@@guitarslinger_games That's something you got accurate Uncle Paul. Every being IS already a pure devotee eternally and internally that is.
That is the correct grasp of the teaching, at least in that one aspect.
Always remember "you are a ghost with a ghost inside you." Just kidding...
DISCLAIMER: Every word that comes out of anyone's mouth is their opinion on the facts they observe.
@@TheLustyDoll LOL Thanks. :-)
Thank you. Truly
You’re welcome :)
I'm reading these comments Prabhupad made, and I'm starting to think they sound less like misogyny and more like he was very old fashioned.
That has become a common explanation in recent years. However, as the video demonstrates, at the heart of Prabhupada’s conception of reality lies the ill conceived notion that women are the personifications of men’s selfish desires. This positions women as the lowest moral beings in the imagined moral universe of varna-aśrama, as well as the locus of everything men are taught to despise as obstacles on the spiritual path. This is a radical religion that teaches ‘spiritual success’ is the only goal worth working toward. If women are the root cause of spiritual failure, they are the ultimate cause of all human suffering. Prabhupada doesn’t put it in those terms, but those are the implications of his teachings.
The cult makes a few weak attempts to mitigate this portrayal of women rhetorically, but the dogma has this especially ugly form of misogyny in its foundational precepts regarding the nature of the world and what it means to be human. There really is no getting away from it if you accept almost any of Prabhupada’s teachings. It all leads back to this point.
He married and impregnated a 12 year old..... dozens of children killed themselves after suffering abuses in his "school" and he did nothing to stop it except seem mad sometimes/
Wow! So refreshing to hear this being called out. I used to sit seething listening to this garbage, and would always wonder what other people were thinking and feeling about it. There was definitely a group of older female devotees who really thought this was all true and good, and that going along with it made them a good wife etc etc. When I lived in the temple I never grew my hair long, in fact I would periodically shave it off then let it grow back for 6 months or so. One time an older materji, a Prabhupada disciple, called me over and told me I would never get a husband unless I had short hair. I didn't say much, just shrugged and walked away, but I wish I had said what I was thinking, which was that I wouldn't want a husband who judged me based on the length of my hair, in fact I didn't want a husband at all, I have never had the desire to be married, 53 years old very happily single with a wonderful adult son who I am very proud of, and two fantastic dogs who mean everything to me. I'm such a sudra, right?! Oh, and that devotee who told me I should grow my hair, a few months after she said that to me, it came out that she was having an affair with another devotees husband and they would watch porn together. So yeah. I call bs on the lot of it!!!
Great story, so much hypocrisy! I think most people are somewhat bothered by this stuff but we/they somehow manage to exist in a state of double consciousness where we know on some level it is wrong but also we are able to not think about it. But I think that when you are a a part of it, you don't understand just how wrong it is. It took me a long time after I left to be able to make this video. When I first left I was more timid and respectful. It took me years to have the distance to be able to fully appreciate how horrible all this stuff is and also to have the confidence to express those thoughts.
@@GauraRader I agree, about the state of double consciousness. In my case I remember thinking that there was some stuff that really bothered me and didn't sit right at all, but because there were other parts of temple life that I loved, it was like a trade off. I had to accept a few bad bits to get the good stuff.
Can you link the transcript that you are using in the part in the video of 10:30 mins where you discuss Prabhupad's approval of physical assault against women as a punishment.
Done!!
Srila Prabhupada was not sexist as you and others believe. The fact that he has had and continues to have SO many female followers and disciples, (many are having their initiation ceremony in Alachua and all over the world, and will continue to have such for a long time into the future,) is a significant testament of this.
You know I try hard to be mild and friendly and try to help all others despite their shortcomings and those of my own. So you should not take what I will say next as an attack or some display of anger or the like, but the facts are that you have displayed to me directly, how you don't always honor women as ideally.
Yet, you label Srila Prabhupada as sexist, when millions of ladies state that they feel saved and protected by Srila Prabhupada. Many if not most of these ladies are of higher intelligence and know well the teachings of Srila Prabhupada about women, yet unlike you, they consider Srila Prabhupada as their eternal savior. So for our own good, we should ideally try to work on our own obvious lack of sensitivity and empathy toward women, before we risk wrongly judging others on the matter. This would be honest, practical and for sure more progressive. It would help you having more people read your books, which is what I have been trying to get people to do.
This "Jewish" hypnotherapist from Hawaii, (Ex Hanuman "Swami," has broadcasted about saintly qualities of Srila Prabhupada he experienced. I think he also admits that Krishna is God. I think that you have felt very hurt and cheated and are blaming Srila Prabhupada and you may think Krishna is not God and should be blamed also. If so, at least admit that a billion people accept Krishna as God on the planet and practically all Sanskrit and religious scholars, don't only give much credit to Srila Prabhupada due to his excellent scholarship, (books,) but some place special emphasis on his simple and clean character and the fact that he "walked his talk". You should also admit to your wrong decision to give 15 years of your life to Kirtanananda. You could have certainly done much better than that, as many of us did make sure you mark your level of responsibility for your own bad decisions and don’t just blame the false guru, Srila Prabhupada and perhaps Krishna.
Regarding "racism" from Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada is not a racist, but he is not in illusion and a foolish sentimentalist either. He as many know, African people are very violent. In Africa, they have a history of slavery and genocide of other African tribes at the drop of a hat. A tenant of mine who was a UN special forces commander in Africa, told me that part of their training is to make sure they don't accept invitations to eat from various tribe chiefs, because they kill, put in a river for a couple of days (to soften the flesh,) the body of a 12 year old girl and serve it to guests as their highest honor in their culture. Cannibalism or raksasa practice is going on today in Africa. In USA, since the 70s till 2005, 94% of murders of blacks were committed by other blacks. That has gone down to 88% in recent years, but still shows their disregard for their own lives as is the historical case in Africa, and the lives of other races too.
The Vedic culture RIGHTLY, does not encourage and less so allows that such violence that make for victimization of the general population go unchecked. So these acts of violent victimizations of others is checked by the Krishna conscious governments. The grossly violent are allowed to live in the wilderness, or they are controlled with proper engagement, education and opportunities to advance to become a mystic or true protector and lover of all. Although this is not easy for the common man to understand, it is not slavery, but a top most progressive system that by law and order, education and other opportunities, the violent element in society is given a good chance for a more progressive and nonviolent life. Srila Prabhupada understood that the only way to help the blacks and everyone, is to share the KC principles, and there are MANY blacks that know what we are discussing now, and they see as their best hope, is to live by the Krishna conscious principles advocated by Srila Prabhupada.
Did not touch on the child abuse that Srila Prabhupada is blamed for, but we know he preached the children should not be hit but loved and that he gave immediate orders the offenders should be "hanged" before being kicked out, and that order has been honored at least in part. The rascals were exposed and they had to pay 26 million for their abuse, (not a small amount,) while when PBS called me for help, they agreed that the abuse had nothing to do with Srila Prabhupada or Sri Krishna, and under my advise, they agreed to interview a double Ph.D, who made a clear distinction between Krishna, Srila Prabhupada and the rascal abusers.
Hare Krishna. I hope you search within yourself about stuff that may make it so you are not respected and your books are not read as they should be.
@Cric Tube ?
Very well said! Prabhupada changed for better the life of so many people and he is stll doing it. This fellow was following the wrong person within the Hare Krishna movement, showing poor judgement. All women who were close to Prabhupada felt loved and protected by him.
Amazing newly released videos. I'll to have watch all of them.
Thanks man!
I didn't make it through the full video, but Prabhupada also married an 11 year old in his 20's, not sure if you mentioned that part
I knew you were an ex hare krsna when I saw you chilling with the babajis in india smoking chilliams. Dont you think though Prabhupada married an 11 year old was just part of the culture and in extent he was just a product of the times. Love your videos.
Thanks for this man! People really need to see this
Sadly, misogyny is rampant throughout Buddhist cultural traditions, too. I lived in Myanmar for 4 years. The Burmese have so many beliefs about how only a man can be eligible for buddhahood, women must be born as men, womens bodies are gross etc etc.
At the same time, it isn't actually part of the Buddhas teachings. The same can be said of Krishna's teachings in the Gita. We have transposed our own cultural values onto the system.
I for one think that religion can be used for learning about our societies, history and traditions but eventually is overcome by personal truth through the long road of life, the only spiritual quest. Our personal truths temper the received wisdom with unique perceptions and contributions. In fact, without personal experience of a living God (that appears in the form of your life) all beliefs are ultimately placebos and idols.
Thanks for bravely calling attention to the Prabhu-problematics. I don't think the only answer is to abandon the ship. Another is to course correct.
Sadly, no religion or culture has a monopoly on misogyny
I've met like a few women in the Hare Krishna movement, and I notice some of them like to play that role of the submissive housewife for a religious household, a silent and demure domestic goddess essentially. It's really interesting this internalised misogyny culture that attracts women into the organisation. Its a very patriarchal and sexist organisation that seems to simultaneously attract radical feminists. In a documentary on the Rebbe of the Chabad Lubbavitch movement , 'The Lubavitcher Rebbe - Documentary on the Chabad Movement (1988)', Ada Rapaport explains why radical feminists are drawn to highly conservative religious movements such as the Chabad movement.
Ada Rapoport-Albert, Professor of Hebrew and Jewish Studies in London
“Chabad recognised the tremendous potential force of women in determining the religious observant nature of each household, appealing to women to observe in the first instance: the commandments, the ritual commandments that affect women, specifically; and to guard the Jewish character of the household. Interestingly, since the 1960’s the kind of appeal to women that Chabad have got has coincided very helpfully to them, with the sentiments of of radical feminists who advocate, similarly, complete separatism between men and women, and the have there consciously exploited this proximity of ideas, by speaking about space for women that they can offer, using the language of radical feminism to bring women into their own separatist world and they have made tremendous conquests amongst disappointed feminists who had found a very fulfilling role for themselves as women within the fold of Chabad”
The appeal of a cult is deliverance from suffering. So not surprising some women find this solution as attractive. Anytime you offer a solution to someone’s suffering you can manage to convince some people to accept it. When someone is suffering they are vulnerable and women have certainly suffered and do suffer under what remains of patriarchal values and social structures.
@@GauraRader The solution to a woman's suffering is to give her a husband in an arranged marriage, make her into a domestic goddess, give her the opportunity to raise kids in a religious household, a community of other religiously minded women, and give her a bible and scripture written and translated by a misogynistic tobacco smuggling, snuff sniffing, 11 year old marrying, wife abandoning religious dictator. Its like they think the solution to their suffering is a religious patriarchy and devotion to a misogynistic guru.
I guess its because they are given a purpose in life, and a "safe space". Or at least that's what they think they are getting. Meaning, structure, purpose, safety, love. Some kind of Gynephillia maybe.
@@MrMikkyn that’s what prabhupada wanted/what he thought would have made him happy when he was married lol
@@GauraRader I kind of feel sorry for his wife.
Well explained. I used to raise these points to the other devotees, and they would all tell me I am being offensive, and will not talk about it. Now its all out there, on the web, and you break it all down, undeniably. Hard to do. Good job. Thanks.
Thanks 😊. And glad you avoided getting sucked in!!
@@GauraRader In and out, like a duck mating. Actually, I did 30 years in ISKCON, before stepping away. Life is way calmer now, and I see the nonsense and craziness for what it is.. Cheers.
Cheers indeed!
Prabhupada: I condemn everyone, that “You are all dogs and hogs.” And United Nations a pack of dogs barking. That’s a fact. And in Chicago I said, all women, “You cannot have freedom. You have got only thirty-four-ounce brain, and man has got sixty-four-ounce.” I told them. So I became a subject of very great criticism.
Trivikrama: Women’s liberation.
Prabhupada: I denied, “No, you cannot have.” I told them. One girl in the airship, she was seeing like (makes some gesture-laughter). I asked her, “Give me 7-Up.” “It is locked now.” So I frankly said that “No, no. You cannot have equal rights because your brain is thirty-four ounce.” Actually that’s a fact. Where is woman philosopher, mathematician, scientist? Not a single.
Lol, he was disliked since the 70's. Maybe he is definitely sexist.
WOW, Trivik Rama went along with that? geeeez Why the constant putting down of dogs? Do we see dogs committing child abuse like SP's students did and that he ignored, and allowed to continue, even after ruining so many lives? Do dogs create an organization that turned to full on racketeering, human labor trafficking and stealing? Dogs can be violent, but are F'n better than humans in so many ways. Dogs are honest. As far as people who are in his cult being the only ones classified as humans, that is racial bullshit. We are all animals and although humans invented pizza and rick music, as far as I can see, dogs are the better and more honest creatures............. Also human worship is not humble at all and is self worship based on bullshit.
I don't know how and why his movement become so big now. It's been growing since he left.
@@Veronica-wh4qj Because cultism is bigger than ever.
Maybe? LOL
@@Veronica-wh4qj You Are Living In a Fools Paradise
I know one thing, he def got the part about not wiping ur ass w toilet paper wrong lol.
I dont follow Iskcon; I follow Prabhupada. He fed many people and taught them Vedic Knowledge. Action speaks louder than words. Any Rascal can make a RUclips video.
Secular organizations feed far more people than Prabhupada ever did. Not to mention, he used food as a weapon to manipulate people and take everything from them.
@@GauraRader
Fake News
Srila Prabhupada studied British English, learning from dictionaries from the 19th century. It was not uncommon even for some of his disciples to have some difficulty in understanding his English due to his particular accent and use of words.
An old meaning of the word rape was "to seize and carry off" (in other words, to steal, or to take possession of something), and that was a meaning listed in such dictionaries. Understanding the situation (a man making advances over a willing woman, winning her heart and taking her hand) becomes clear that Prabhupada is not using the world "rape" in the modern sense, but to describe the process of assertive seduction that is the basis of the love affairs between men and women.
When everything is understood, we can appreciate what Srila Prabhupada wrote:
"Every husband is certainly a great hero to his wife. In other words, if a woman loves a man, that man appears very beautiful and magnanimous. Unless one becomes beautiful in the eyes of another, one cannot dedicate his whole life to another. The husband is considered very magnanimous because he gives as many children to the wife as she likes. Every woman is fond of children; therefore any husband who can please his wife by sex and give her children is considered very magnanimous. Not only does the husband become magnanimous by begetting children, but by giving his wife ornaments, nice food and dresses, he keeps her completely under submission. Such a satisfied wife will never give up the company of her husband. Manu-saṁhitā recommends that to keep a wife satisfied a husband should give her some ornaments because women are generally fond of home, ornaments, dresses, children, etc. In this way the woman is the center of all material enjoyment.
In this regard, the word vikhyātam is very significant. A man is always famous for his aggression toward a beautiful woman, and such aggression is sometimes considered rape. Although rape is not legally allowed, it is a fact that a woman likes a man who is very expert at rape." (SB 4.25.41)
As I said in the video the problem with that attempt to explain away Prabhupada’s statement is the he specifically says rape is not allowed according to the law but women like it. If he were just meant “aggressive seduction” by the term “rape” then it would not make sense for him to say that rape was illegal. Him stating that rape is illegal makes it clear what he means by rape. It’s not a pleasant truth but it is the only logical inference. Prabhupada is literally saying, rape is illegal but women like it.
Not to mention the many other statements he made about women, stating that women should be beaten, are less intelligent, shouldn’t be given freedom, etc etc. even if you could explain this one quote there is still plenty of statements that ought to make anyone who cares from the welfare of women reject his teachings and question the notion that he is enlightened or a pure devotee or anything like. But as I said the statement can’t be explained away because he himself defines rape as being illegal.
@@GauraRaderRape is illegal against Hindu Dharmasashtras, which Prabhupada followed, he didn’t condemn rape
Room Conversation February 25, 1977, Mayapura:
Tamala Krsna: Gradually some of the people are beginning to understand what you’re up to, Srila Prabhupada. Some of these big demons in America especially, they are beginning to understand that you are the most dangerous personality in the world to them.
Prabhupada: To kill demon-crazy, LSD. (laughs) Yes, that is my mission. That is Krsna’s mission, paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam BG 4.8 , to kill all these demons, crazy demons. I have no such power; otherwise I would have killed them. Either establish Krsna conscious government or kill them- bas, finish. I would have done that, violence.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, when good argument fails?
Prabhupada: Kill them. Finish. Just like Parasurama did. Kill all them, twenty-one times.
Prabhupad advocated killing, and he did not vet his disciples Kirtanananda and Kirtanananda and Radhanath Swami and all the other associates killed or ordered the killing of Sulocana & Briant.
Not sure if there is a causal relationship between what he said, and what happened in his organisation - but it definitely seems like Prabhupad is to blame for the death of Sulocana and Briant.
My little brother fell for them many years ago. I spent a week with him in their farm community temple to understand the ideology... And what can i say, it made me feel uncomfortable. Kissing the supposed actual sandals of an old indian guy and praising a statue of said old man was the first but not the only thing that freaked me out...
The people and the food were nice though. And weirdly i gotta say their kindness towards me didn't feel fake at all. And usually i can read people quite well.
But the religious stories i heard were less relatable than believing lord of the rings is historical. So many plot holes and logical mistakes...
you said hindu nationalism what are you basing this on? India is a democracy and it has majority hindu people. you need to look at the full picture. if you think modi is pushing hinduism then tell me why india is still one of the top leading country in beef export. muslims still get reservation and so do christians. the church and mosques are not controlled by h the government but there are around 80% temples under the control of the government. why do muslims not pay for subsidy for hajj etc.... all of this he could have changed but he has not. dont blindly look at the tv news and accept it as the truth because the tv is largely trying to bash his image anyway possible. i am not a fan of modi but he is the best option based on whats available in politics. also keep in mind that there is not one single hindu country in the world and where will hindus go if christian missionaries and muslims keep trying to convert hindus who are poor though there lies and cheating methods. thats another thing, if modi is a hindu nationalist then he had nearly 2 terms to remove the missionaries and muslims who are converting hindus. he also has allowed so many muslims through the bangladesh borders who are muslims. so he could have just locked up the border and not allow this. he could have removed the missionaries work all across india. he has majority in government etc..... he has done little for hindus in my view and it doesnt make him a hindu nationalist.
Yes that party is not radical enough for hindus. India must be declared Hindu country
Take all scripture with a grain of salt, of course one will find anachronistic ideas in a text written 5000 yrs ago😂😂😂😂, keep the good stuff ❤
Strange how he had no problem accepting and feeding off endless financial incentive from those he considered as lesser beings when they became part of this organization - all the female, black, south Indian devotees, etc, etc. He should never have been accepted as a leader, being clearly and deeply narcissistic.
Not sure who you learned Bhakti from, but whoever it was, did not have a deep understanding. You never met Prabhupada, unfortunately. You would know of his special qualities, perhaps, which were always on the transcendent plane if you had met him, while he was discussing the spectrum of qualities of toxic masculine and toxic feminine, and the divine masculine and the divine feminine, as we might frame them today.
Prabhupada never advocated the suppression of women or anyone else, and was very kind to his disciples who were struggling, whether they were male or female, gay or straight. This is a fact, and his actual disciples can attest to this. Material desires, of which sex is the most powerful, are the bars that keep everyone in the prison of material life - aside from sex for the conception of children. That is the highest standard if one wants to follow the path of liberation.
Many may not like to hear that, especially people who have a type of sexual attachment where there is no possibility of conceiving a child. If you cannot eventually give up your gay desires, you are free stay in the cycle of birth and death eternally - along with all of it's concomitant suffering - to enjoy the fruits of your free will choices. God will still love you, but you will stay in the material confines, until you can selflessly love, as opposed to endlessly lust. You want to find fault and misrepresent the only person who would tell you the truth. Sad for you, that your false ego will not allow you to accept higher truths, and find fault with others, rather than face yourself and your own frailties, and class-action victim fetish. Prime Minister of India, Modi, has made a video where he praises Prabhupada as one of the most important spiritual figures and honorable sons of India ever. He has actually done the research - but you want to misrepresent someone never met, and "cancel" a great personality. You can have your opinion and your minuscule total 800 followers, but there are millions of others who disagree with you, for good reasons. Hundreds of times Prabhupada has advised that women should be honored and protected, like one's own mother. Your view of reality is truly perverted.
True the misogny is deep rooted ... i was a part of this for 5 years really suffered a lot
Sorry to hear that but glad you got out!
Never, never, never, bow down and worship the statue of a "guru"...the first thing one does when entering ISCON temple is to bow down to this village cleric. I read this stuff in their literature, returned the literature to the organisation, and went to a reputable spiritual bookstore and got myself a copy of Bagavad Gita in both English (Paramahansa Yogananda) and Greek (Ramakrishna Vedanta Centre of London)
Think you talking shit. Not about ISKCON, I just find it offensive. What your talking about Are thousands of year Old.
What Ive found is that when you describe abuse that has gone on, you are deemed as being offensive to the movement and towards devotees. Thus the abuse is converted into the victim being offensive. I as beaten up at New Mayapur and when I approached a Maharaja right after it happend, on Prabhupadas apperance day of all days, the Maharaja, told me, to agree with the person who beat me up if he beats me again to tell him "yes your probably right" and I had to leave on foot and walk 6 months to the next temple only to be told I wasnt welcome. So again I realised there is no support from abuse your told to agree with the violent bully. That was for being told to wash the pots while I was in the middle of eating and taking 30 minutes to go take a shower and make it to the kitchen and got beaten up on the way to the kitchen because I wasnt there yet..
Life changing 🙏
Let's not forget that the Gita takes place on a battlefield. Important lilas pastimes in which people are beaten and killed either by Krsna or his devotees are celebrated. Violence is enshrined in the religious culture of this so-called Vedic tradition. Quite different from Buddhism which is non-violent.
For sure! A big moment in my process of leaving was when I decided I wasn't going to read Krishna stories to my infant. I was still a member but I couldn't see the value in the hyperviolent Krishna stories.
If u cannot see the wisdom behind the paradoxical setting I think u are missing the point.
Buddhism is a minor philosophical off shoot of Vedanta and it’s really drawing people away from god. I have plenty of problems w iskcon but to parlay that to questioning the Gita , u must hqve your own agenda.
@@saucyjk6453 easy vacuous argument. The Emperor is naked.
Let's not forget that examinations of the style, grammar and content of the Gita reveals it has at least 5 different contributors and is simply a nice bit of fairy tale ancient ideology written into the fantastical fairy story that is the Mahabharata.
ISKCON favors strong Caucasian male teenagers that make good book distribution slaves. They're easily manipulated. That was the demographic of most ISKCON members in the early days. American hippies. If as they get older, if they don't rise in the estimate of the hierarchy - they will be neglected and tossed to the side. But today ISCKON allows for female gurus against Prabhupada's teaching.
Yes. U white people are too naive. U are from first world countries. U don't know what is real corruption and false propoganda. Go to India and visit the mandirs and all the religious shrines. U will be shocked. These iskcon followers target white kids from broken families. They take them into some sort of fantasy world.
Sanatana Dharma always stands with "Tarka Vitarka" arguments and solutions. Nothing is standard way of living but Vedas and Puranas can give directions towards a balanced way of life. Still if you want to argue it's practical implications you are free to do in sanatana Dharma...that's a beauty.
I've always openly opposed those specific things he said in person and in my videos. Many others have also.
I have also spoken against how women are talked about in the Vedas and other texts openly and still do.
Hare Krishna is not defined by what others say it means, not even if they are Prabhuapda or previous acharyas, however much we may care about them as individuals just like we do about everyone else.
Its supposed to be a dynamic one on one experience with the Goddess and God. This whole idea that Hare Krishna is how he or someone else defines it never made sense to me. They are commentators. They don't define my practice for me.
The parts where they laugh about the horrible abuse especially disturb me and always have.
I directly stand up for the good things they said and did on my channel publicly so know what you are talking about before you just say thing or assume things about me. I deeply appreciate those things about them and them as they actually are as my eternal friends and family members in Paradise.
MY OWN practice IS defined by me.
Yes it is. Just like yours is defined by you.
So Seriously, just because I do not agree with a few things they said has nothing to do with me not understanding them or not supporting the other things they did and said. You don't even know me yet you are just typing things right now. I have whole videos that are about standing up for Prabhupada. So know who you are talking to first before you just say stuff.
@@bhaktapaul108 I have already heard from him and all the other qualified teachers preceding him and from Radha and Krishna and Gaura Nitai directly and I have inquired from each of them at great length.
I have already followed that instruction. My practice is defined by Radha Herself.
@@bhaktapaul108 Dude, I already have that mood and do that stuff. Obviously the loving servant mood is there, that's basic sense.
But no I do not agree that a person "cannot" approach Krishna directly.
That is culty and exactly the culty stuff that people speak out against that I agree with. OF COURSE you can directly approach the person you are a part of.
I have a good relation with Radha and Krishna, Nityananda, Chaitanya and all the rest of them, yes it is defined by me and Her BOTH. Radha is Krishna's devote TOO and the deepest of them, so what you are saying is just redundant.
It does not have to be "one or the other" WE define our relationship together, not you, not Prabhupada, not anyone else.
I'm not interested in your cult speak about Krishna. I appreciate Prabhupada but do not agree with the culty stuff he said.
You are typing a direct example of Cult Speak 101. Anyone who reads that will see that.
You have not even gotten to know me yet and are just typing verses and things I have read plenty before.
How about actually standing up for Radha and Krishna WITH ME on here as a fellow instead of rehashing stuff I have already heard countless times before. I am already aware how cultists interpret those verses and things and I DO NOT agree with how they do so.
You should appreciate me standing up for the good things Prabhupada did on here even though I disagree with certain things he said and did instead of trying to re-educate me on things I am beyond well aware of.
Don't waste time nagging me and stand up for Prabhupada to the atheists and secularists or other commenters on this channel who disagree with Prabhupada in excess.
Do not waste time nagging a Hare Krishna who has an entire channel dedicated to talking about how awesome Radha and Krishna are.
If you actually want to have a real conversation you send me an email or Facebook contact me OR you can watch my videos on You Tube, plenty of which are directly about standing up for the goods that Prabhupada did.
@Alex Thanks
Could you please explain why you still use your Hare Krsna name?
It's the only name I have and I don't want to change the only name I've ever had. My parents were/are HKs and gave me that name.
If you don't have faith in the sacred words of Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad-gita, then your life is useless. Because you won't understand the message that Srila Prabhupad is trying to convey in all his books and lectures. It all begins with having faith in Krishna's teachings. And for that, you should also have the intelligence to understand the Bhagavad-gita with a scientific mind.
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Prabhupada's mission will carry on despite all these hooligans and agents of Kali trying to drag it down. They just can't let go of their racist, disdainful and contemptuous western mindset despite hearing all good instructions. You are trying to spit at the sky, it will land on your own wretched face
This Is What Youre Dictating..Your Wrong Assumptions..Out Of Context..
Whatever he was saying, he easily could contradict, giving initiation to all the categories are mentioned
Surely it would be possible to make the argument that the Vedic system of marriage, according to Prabhupada at least, is a type of legalised enforced prostitution or sexual slavery. No matter your feelings, as a woman you just have to accept the husband you have, serve him in every way including sexually, never challenge him or complain, just put up and shut up. Sure sounds like slavery to me. I'm so glad I resisted ISKCONs multiple attempts to get me married, I always flat out refused, and thank goodness I did. I can't imagine how miserable my life might have been. The patronising misogyny and double standards are rife in that organisation, and absolutely vile. I especially hate the bit that says after a girls first menstruation, the husband is ready!!!! The husband!! What about that poor little girl? These men are basically pedophiles, in a system that has legalised it. How anyone can even attempt to justify it blows my mind.
"This person is not,by any means qualified to talk about such subject matters.This is typical of us westerners to take charge of something we haven't a dam clue about (bammm)🤪🙉
Out of context.
Also after finishing the video i hava a humble request to you sir, the ending is the only line i disagree with… regarding that Prabhupad is only saying from scriptures.. this is not the case… most of his translations have heavy inserts by him.. i myself and many sanskrit scholars have repeatedly pointed this bogus out! Especially the fact that he misquotes from the other puranas and forces people not to read other scriptures.. the whole movement declare that only his translations are bonafide and hence never read any other translation of BG or Bhagavatam.. i myself have seen inserts line after line in his work.
If you read Devi Purana you will realise woman have higher status than men.. puranas are all written by Ved Vyas so by seeing this contradiction we already have some idea of the flawed works in the books of iskcon
Yes his translations are not good entirely faithful. But that bad stuff doesn’t come from him, it comes from the scriptures. Krishna litterally says souls are born as women because of their sinful actions. Whatever may or may not be in Devi purana, Indian culture is highly misogynistic and abusive towards women.
Sadly you are correct on all of it.
I am just wondering. What sequence of events happened that caused you to leave ISKCON? Briefly, what happened? I am curious.
Check out some of my earlier videos. I go into detail on that there.
me too movement causes people who say the wrong thing gets treated the same as those who act out.
Dear Readers, Don't misunderstand Prabhupada. Haters took Some part of the actual full video and spreading Hate . Actually Srila Prabhupada talks about a lawyer winning against the Rape case and the reason is Lawyer has shown Some proofs that (Victim) she has enjoyed during that act . So, prabhupada was talking about that.
Only demons are adverse to Srila Prabupada .Shows how fallen you are.
My wife grew up worshiping Krishna, she and the in-laws are devotees. At first I thought it was a small denomination of Hinduism. I read the Gita and Mahabharata and started doing research into it. When I challenge the cult based on its own premises she tells me what I've read is "inauthentic" because iskcon became corrupt, so in order to challenge it I'd need to challenge one of this branches specific gurus. Ironically she believes in Jesus too. I'd really rather we could just be good old fashion Christians at this point
Sri Caitanya Saraswat Math pure Devotion
@@sruti108 can you elaborate
People like her are crazy run away from that. They literally worship every religion. Claim Jesus is son of Lord Krishna. Blind devotees are dangerous. If you have kids don't let her rase them as ISKCONis. As a Hindu I'm truly disgusted by these people who claim to be apart of our Dharma but also disrespect it
This has to be the biggest Vaisnava aparadha
It’s not.
Mistranslating the true scriptures is. Which he did. How any intelligible human being cannot decipher his lack of enlightenment is evidence that he attracts his own kind
why don't you wear a dhoti
You can judge a thing by its result. Woman love a man who is aggressive. As much as I hate that fact it's true. And it's because violence is an asset for the home.
Men mess up when our violence isn't channeled properly.
Woman aren't so great at life.. they mess up too, especially when men don't protect them (when they're given independence).
The solution is actually there in Prabhupadas books and vaisnava culture.
Men should protect woman and woman should serve their husbands.
That's how it has always been till recently and recently the world is more messed up than ever.
Keep it real brother.
Its demonstrably not true.
an old man born in 1896 was never gonna be the poster child for 21st century ideals or values, get over yourselves
Probably its some Christian con man trying to defame Prabhupada by editing the lecture documents. I have never seen in any video him speaking about rape approval. Infact he spoke against illicit sex before marriage and talks about celibacy brahmacharya. He was a real guru and a great spiritual personality.
Now lets see what does bible speaks of rape;
Morality of the Bible : Rape Victim has to marry the Rapist. - Deut 22:28-29
For example, if a man rapes a young girl, then he has to pay her father 50 shekels coins of silver and young girl is to marry the rapist man, so she becomes his wife and man can never leave her.
Here Victim is being Punished - Bible is the law of satan.
Christianity is a false religion.
Cancelling someone born in 1896 ? different culture, different views different times
Him believing those things is understandable and easily forgivable. Us believing them now, not so much. Maybe we need to cancel people who believe the same things as he did haha
What are you doing Gaura Rader !?? Are you completely out of your mind !??
Please, this what are you doing i HELISH speculation. Srila prabhupada is not atackin woman. He is atacking Tulsidas for atacking woman :Prabhupada: "He has classified the narī amongst these class, dhol, guṇār, śūdra, paśu, narī. Ihe sab śaśan ke adhikārī. Yes. That is Tulasī dāsa's remark. So in many passages of his poetry he has not done very justice to woman."
Wake up from your dream.
Great point that you can't stand in ISKCON and the me too movement.
But make sure you’re vaccinated
Prabhupada was red pilled before the hash tag. You're blue pilled to the core and it shows.
Tks🌞
It is so convenient for us to judge people based on our modern sensibilities.
Everything that you're saying may be true but trying cancel people is immature and childish sounding.
It is far far more intelligent to say let's be critical of this man and his legacy rather than saying let's cancel him.
Canceling is often times a very ignorance driven kind of activity.
Criticize the the man fine. He may deserve every bit of but approaching it in this fashion invites people to just agree with you rather than dig any deeper.
Also always always always encourage people to do their own research and clearly present your sources. For all we know the quotes that you are reading were just made up by somebody when you don't tell us where they come from. 🤨
The word canceled doesn’t mean that much. I could make my same point without using that word and the point is this person has nothing of value to say and everything he says is actually so wrong and so harmful that he just should be completely ostracized from society so that no one ever hears This garbage again. Cancellation is just an extreme form of being critical of someone. it is the conclusion of a series of arguments. We don’t need to read the speeches of hitler, generally. There may be some specific reason to read him for academic purposes or to make a point, but generally speaking, there’s no value to society to reading him or rather the value of reading him is much worse than any benefit that would be derived.
Had you comprehended Prabhupada's immense generosity, soft-heartedness and compassionate nature and I'm not alluding to mere cheerful charisma, you might have refrained from creating this video.
I detect a lack of familiarity with Prabhupada's true nature and a deficiency in grasping the broader perspective of his comprehensive vision concerning the material world in relation to the spiritual realm. The capability to distinguish between matter and spirit transforms one's perception of the dynamics within this world.
Prabhupada didn't conform to politically correct speech. Driven by his unwavering conviction and eagerness to disseminate truth, he often communicated directly and resolutely. This directness, especially in conversations, might be perplexing for listeners who lack that comprehensive vision and understanding of the illusory nature of this world.
As the saying goes: the words of a saint can be as hard as a thunderbolt or as soft as a rose, depending on the circumstances.
However, I understand the reactions of certain individuals to these statements, and they are open for discussion. Nevertheless, having given it due consideration, I maintain this conviction.
I am as familiar as one could be with Prabhupada’s teaching, and life. I grew up in the movement and heard his teaching virtually every day of my life until my late 20s. First in gurukula then in almost 10 years as a brahmacari.
The context for this video is that I actually left KC a number of years before making this video. I took me years of deprogramming to get to the point where I could actually the appropriate amount of revulsion and anger toward the statements he made. At first I was much more respectful but after a number of years my mind cleared as the brainwashing wore off.
So maybe I’m not familiar with his teachings or maybe just maybe the constant glorification of this person, at his instruction of course, has bias your thinking and left you with some blind spots in your understanding of this man, his teachings and the HK “philosophy.”
And just to be clear, I don’t think he was some sort of vicious evil person. His beliefs were fairly run of the mill for an Indian born in the 1800s, but I do think he shouldn’t be listened to or treated as an authority and that he should not be listened to and certainly not worshiped. But of course no human should be worshipped!
@@GauraRader Srila Prabhupada may have presented facts regarding gender, race, or species in a manner that could be debated, yet he never endorsed discrimination or favored any living being based on the body they possessed. His attitude in general was one of compassion and generosity, consistently delivering the highest message to all living beings, irrespective of their material conditioning. He did not use these statements to elevate himself above others or to inflate his ego, as he exists beyond the confines of bodily identification.
While some so called followers of him may have mistreated others, I have not come across any instance where Prabhupada himself mistreated someone or endorsed discrimination based on these factors. It appears you are analyzing dry facts without considering the character, nature and mood of the person they are associated with.
And the thing that truly pisses me off is that they would "claim" that all these are in our scriptures which is so not true they mislead by printing mistranslated books our sanatan dharam treats both men and woman equally
Hi do the scriptures say women are less intelligent like prabhupada does?
Good decision I support you ..
"Women like a man who is expert at rape" means that a woman enjoys non consensual sex (rape). How can that be so? A woman consents not to being exploited when having sex, but rather to being loved. And yet, when a man is having sex with a woman there is a degree of exploitation of her body taking place. And women enjoy that, even though they are not consenting to that - and while thinking they are being loved. You could also say the same for a man because women also exploit men, who really want to be loved, but who are actually being exploited without their consent. And yet they think it's pleasurable.
Prabhupada was a product of His time and where He was from... Check out Mahatma Gandhi fore example. Many Indian people involved in the anti-colonial movement against the British empire had quit a positive view of Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich. We have millions of Lutherans in Europe and the United States of America... Martin Luther's writings ain't politically correct with most peoples point of view. The problem is when one can't reform a movement and have a balanced approach. I am not claiming that these things are easy. Even a figure like Karl Marx wrote stuff about people in the third world that is totally absurd for Marxists today. The anarchist Bakunin also wrote "anti PC" stuff if one look at it with the eyes of our time.
I can’t tell if you are saying that, as a way of minimizing, this criticism of SP or just as a general statement of fact. Everyone is a product of their time for sure! The problem isnt the that people are a product of their time. The problem is when people think someone isn’t a product of their time and think they are infallible or perfect.
@@GauraRader English is not my native tongue, so I would guess that some things that I am trying to "say" is getting "lost in translation"... I think that I understand what you mean. The "ISKCON people" put Prabuphada on a "timeless" pedestal, or at least the vast majority. The "Guru worship" does not seem very healthy...
Personally I have a problem with super rigid religious philosophy.
He was from one other generation, those days was normal
And I don't hold any of it against him, personally. My point is that in 2023 we shouldn't listen to someone born in the 1800s who uncritically ascribed to a religious belief system full of irrational dogmas and negative attitudes to groups of people for irrational reasons.
This is so confusing because like if women are distractions for men, as women shouldn’t the logic be we avoid them and not tempt them? Not like trying to take care of them and win their hearts or whatever? this just sounds like a excuse for the dynamic to be us bending to their every will while they resent us and abuse us for it.
Yeah, men and women are supposed to avoid each other. But also women are supposed to serve men and be protected by them. None of it really make much sense, and in practice it is nothing but misery for everyone involved, but especially the women.
These isckon guyz r creating separate religion 🤦🤦 another dent on hinduism 🤦🤦
this is your brain on materialism
From my heart to you no offence but you/we have imperfect senses as conditioned souls so therefore you could be wrong which is very risky like playing with fire. I would delete all of this immediately to save yourself from any possible serious karmic reaction in the future. You are playing with fire its not worth the risk, seriously! Hare Krishna God Bless
I appreciate your concern. And I would encourage you think about the fact that that’s how they get you to not question anything!
You are Absolutely wrong, prabhupada never wrote anything contradictory,the cabals has infiltered and misinterpreted the books.and you are victim of that changed book teachings
Dunno what you're talking about. All women are to be treated as your mother. That's the teaching. You are inventing stuff.
Dd you watch the video, it’s all quotes from Prabhupada. He’s the one who said women like to be raped. He’s the one who said women should be beaten. He’s the one who said women should not have any freedom. He’s the one who said women are less intelligent. Yes he also said women should be treated as mother but he also said lots of other horrible things, which is why he shouldn’t be listened to.
@@GauraRader There are plenty of women in Iskcon who do not have a problem with this stuff. They are in senior positions, temple presidents, teachers. Yes there's ongoing discussions about whether women should be gurus, but the basic point is that men have a responsibility to protect and care for women so they can safely raise children, rather than exploiting them by putting them out to work. It's just the same with Islam. You can't tell me Western women are happier with all their "freedom". Half of them will never marry, will never have children, have high rates of depression, divorce etc, which is why the birthrate is below replacement rate, which will have catastrophic consequences. You no doubt remember the old joke that the rate of divorce in India has doubled. It's gone from one percent to two percent. That's because they still follow these traditional values. SP's Victorian attitudes to women are no reason not to join or leave the organisation. Western women are responsible for their own misery.
@@GauraRaderThere are plenty of women in Iskcon who don't have a problem with this stuff. Many women are in positions of responsibility... temple presidents, teachers etc. Sure there are ongoing discussions about whether women should be gurus but that's hardly a reason not to join or leave the organisation. I'm sure you remember the old joke that the divorce rate in India has doubled. It's gone from one percent to two percent. That's because they are still following traditional values. You can't tell me Western women are happier with all their freedoms. Half of them will never marry or have children. Many are neurotic on antidepressants. That's why the birthrate is below replacement with catastrophic consequences. I don't think SP forbade women becoming gurus. He had a lot of respect for women, like Yamuna devi. He may have been influenced by Victorian British attitudes rather than the texts themselves. Islam also gives women separate roles to men. Western liberalism leads to misery, which is why SP, and Muslims, preach against it.
Old English dictionaries define rape as seduction etc. Prabhupada graduated in early 1900s. He doesn't mean it as what is meant during the current highly degraded times. Any person who studies even a little of so many books that he has written or so much that he has said, can understand that
As I said in the video the problem with that attempt to explain away Prabhupada’s statement is the he specifically says rape is not allowed according to the law but women like it. If he were just meant “aggressive seduction” by the term “rape” then it would not make sense for him to say that rape was illegal. Him stating that rape is illegal makes it clear what he means by rape. It’s not a pleasant truth but it is the only logical inference. Prabhupada is literally saying, rape is illegal but women like it.
Not to mention the many other statements he made about women, stating that women should be beaten, are less intelligent, shouldn’t be given freedom, etc etc. even if you could explain this one quote there is still plenty of statements that ought to make anyone who cares from the welfare of women reject his teachings and question the notion that he is enlightened or a pure devotee or anything like. But as I said the statement can’t be explained away because he himself defines rape as being illegal.
@@GauraRader Prabhupada never advocated beating of women. He might have brought up Chanakya Pandit's few such quotes rarely, but when studied holistically that's not Prabhupada's overall message regarding how women or any living entity should be treated. A few of such statements are peripheral statements, not his core messages to which he devoted most of his time.
This cannot be resolved properly without a proper understanding of different cultures and societies in different eras, which will require a short discussion
This is a twisted presentation
"He came to speak The Bhagavad-Gītā, which is his personal and direct instructions to each of us. Only by surrendering to Sri KRSNA, we become eternally liberated instead of being eternally condition." Hare KRSNA.
His translations are so off big fail
There
When examining the style and grammar of the Gita it is clear that at least five different authors have written quite a number of slokas in that book. The provenance of the Gita is hard to determine because it was part of the Mahabharata which was written around 2500 years ago and he has no doubt greatly evolved in the various versions and tellings of that story. There may be an oral tradition which could take this storyline back another several hundred years in part but there's no evidence for that and we have to examine that idea against the vedic/cultural traditions which preceded 2500 years ago. There is no language, grammar or style or content which would make the Gita 5000 years old. Krishna was not even a thing then if you take the time to explore Vedanta. This is all known by Vedic/Sanskrit scholars, including great scholars in the Srivaishnava tradition and others. Also ask yourself why there was never a single mention of the Bhagavat Purana/Srimad Bhagavatam prior to around 500 years ago? Honestly friend, this universe is a whole lot bigger than some silly fairy stories about a blue boy god who enjoys sex with young girls in a heaven based on an idyllic Indian medieval pastoral landscape and totally unsubstantiated and uncorroborated yarns about a 'golden avatar' 500 years ago . . . go and seek your answers elsewhere but don't believe in fools and liars who can't even accept experiential reality and decent scholarship.
Forgetfulness,remembrance, knowledge.u chose Forgetfulness 😮
What you are reading is not written by prabhupada stop spreading misinformation about prabhupada.are you part of cabal .???
bro you are way off when you are placing judgement on india. india has a billion people and if you count the number of rape cases per population then usa has a really bad history with raping kids and women and abuse. i would not judge without checking the stats on this issue. i agree prabhaupad was wrong but now you are getting into generalizing which is wrong and if you want to go by stats i would say usa has will not win the rape and abuse stats per population stat comparison.
Prabhupada Wanr Wrong In Any Way
Majority of rape cases in India don't get reported. All religions have corrupt outdated teachings. I encourage u to read ur holy scriptures. Read manusmriti and vedas and puranas. U will be disgusted from ur religion. If u don't see the filth of ur scriptures I can help. 😂 I have read a lot of scriptures.
@@dawood4920 same is with others 80% of them don't get reported abd they have committed it
@@rudra8257how can you know it was 80%, if they were not reported?