PC NA here, played since beta, easily qualify as endgame in all aspects. Currently have 1billion + wealth and float 400 million gold. Have lead 3 significant guilds. Just here to give props, I was skeptical of the your video at first but your grasp of the ebb and flow of the economy and player hase is spot on, great job!.Earned a sub from me!
I think people also forget that the prices of used disc versions of ESO drop to single digit dollars. I just verified with a local game store and they sell the base Tamriel Unlimited PS4 and XB1 discs for $3. The barrier to entry for this game, especially on console, is almost non-existent.
If eso went cross platform with both console versions xbox/PS it would have a huge player base im surprised after all these years the consoles arnt cross platform.
Being able to play the same account either on PC or consoles would be nice. It's been doing Warframe a lot of good. Especially when it's much easier to travel with a Series S or Laptop.
iv ben playing eso for 10 years its not a mmo i wont touch tab targeting games, this is a open world rpg game, its more of gta 5 but with swords and magic
I’m surprised the change to 14 day sales has not reduced prices on PC. Have seen a significant drop on items on PlayStation NA as a returned item is an unsold item. So people are reducing prices to guarantee the sales.
PC doesn't need more than 14 days to sell items. Add-ons make everything available instantly. Consoles do not have add-ons. Players must visit each trader location to shop, unless they belong to that particular guild and can access them from a bank. Cutting the listing times in half is really hurting console traders, especially those who list more high-end or niche items that might take longer to sell.
...and don't fart wrong at the wrong players (you cannot even find out who complained and got you suspended!) or you get unexplained, unable-to-be-discovered supposed violations from nowhere for no reason, and never even learn why/how anything happened.
PC-NA and PC-EU are pretty different too (I play on both) when it comes to the cost of things. I've got ESO on my SteamDeck and my PC, so I can take it with me on vacations xD PC-NA is about 1500:1. PC-EU seems higher. I'm surprised about the crown-gold ratio on console, and the fact that Playstation population is higher! Console players who come to PC come from console which has a lot of lag, requires controllers, doesn't have addons. This leads to them tending to be more skilled than those of us who have always been on PC, they're so used to those addons. I used to play on X-Box One ESO. I started with a sword and board dragon knight, and that was before OneTamriel. It was quite an experience. April 2020 makes sense - Covid. Same with the holidays; it gets cold outside.
Half the threads on the forums are about performance issues on PC (lag, skills not firing, DC'ing, rubberbanding, etc.) that have been going on for almost 6 months now without any comment from the devs. You can see from the Steam chart that player counts started trending down when v9.3.9 went in early May. I don't do it, but PVP complaints are at all time highs. Player counts are now at 2018 levels, and I don't see anything on the horizon that would bring players back. It's not looking great for the game right now. Despite being a hefty spender, historically, I haven't spent a dime in the Crown store for months, and won't unless they fix the problems.
I play at NA, and I have No issues, and no lag, everything in max settings no frame drops, the performance for me is impressive Pc: rx6700xt Ryzen 5 7600x fan cooler 32gb ram 4800 ddr5 190-200 fps
I dont care how much or little players there is :D I am a solo player, always has been, always will in Eso. I quit last month and will be back, when I feel like it. Like I and I am sure other ppl has done before ^^. The best part of eso that its free! No bloody monthly sub. Not like wow that has a store and a sub :D haha Has to pump Pillars of eternity 1 & 2 before Avowed comes out.
Yeah, I play on PS5 NA so don't say you never met anyone who plays only console. Also yeah the bots at some point became a tourist attraction. (the beach east of Haven, you know the one)
PS-NA crowns vary from 100-250. I know a few sellers who are dedicated to staying at 100, zone chat gets up to 250 when there's a hot crown item but they haven't been on sale for a few months.
I sell a lot of intricates on the guild traders! I'm in a Mournhold, Rawl'kah, Wayrest, and Vvardenfell guild. I usually sell it on the Vvardenfell one because of the location. Helps new players, and all my PC-NA chars are maxxed crafting! Sell Alchemy and Enchanting master writs when people are leveling. Good money!
One of the reasons I consider most relevant to the market value of gold on PC is the existence of addons that simplify gold farming for PC players. I mean, want to do a daily Writ? Simple, install an addon that will streamline the entire process from something that used to take a few minutes to something that now takes just a few seconds. Just from daily Writs, you can make what? 50k a day just as mission rewards (not counting the materials you'll drop, which is the truly valuable part). And that's without mentioning the addons that mark material gathering spots, organize inventory, and countless other things that simplify the whole "gold-making" journey. That's why gold on PC is worth less than gold on consoles: it's easier to farm, thanks to external tools.
Australia player here. I’m curious about the numbers on console PlayStation NA as Tue to Fri it’s dead. Literally I can be in an area with no one. It’s very evident the highest numbers are Sat - Mon. My biggest sale time is Mon. Events see a spike but primarily on the weekend.
PC EU here, current gold:crown is about 2500. The biggest costs for a guild bar none are the guild traders costing millions per week. Never logged in using steam, was in closed beta back at the end of 2013 so I've always used the launcher that comes with the game. We have a lot of people in Skyrim Red Shirts who have moved over from console and also a lot of folks who are returning to the game, quite a lot from WOW and other MMOs that seem to be dying, like STO. I don't know many who used steam, but it indicates login numbers, a bit like a poll indicates voting intentions. Interesting video Jake.
PC NA - Just returned to the game after over a year and boy has the population tanked. I don't have any scientific data to back this up, but I immediately noticed how prices had dropped considerably on consumer staples and asked myself, is it supply or demand? After about a week of trying to sell things at competitive prices I'm coming to the conclusion that it's demand. I couldn't keep this stuff stocked before. Another observation is that popular trade guilds I used to be in are sitting at 300-400 in them now, which was never the case. You used to have to hope to get into some of these. So it's not just time of year I don't think. Kinda sad
Yep are lot have left my Online PlayStation Friend left his Guild. That i’m in weeks ago he was the leader he’s now playing T&L he left the guild to i guess one of the other members i haven’t seen any of them online as well for awhile they might come back near Witches Festival or New Life. 👍🏾
I still end up in log in ques from time to time PC NA so all is well. I see people everywhere, all the time. During events the population crashes servers.
I used to play on PC too. For a couple of years, actually. My computer decided to stop working so I switched to Xbox in 2022 to get that ESO fix and I ended up completely converting 🤣🤣 To be honest, I prefer it. It's a more even playing field since nobody has add ons. If you don't have add ons on PC, you're at a huge disadvantage. That can be overwhelming for new players. Don't have to worry about that on Xbox. I really love how much more fair it is. In my experience, PC players were more elitist, probably because they don't get the constant inflow of new players. People on Xbox are really nice in comparison. I'm not @ing every PC player by the way. There are plenty of amazing players in there, I just didn't find them as much unfortunately 😅 Love your videos, Jake! 💜
seems like theres plenty of players on xbox when queuing for dungeons. just weekends is when pvp is popping. so i guess its not a great population but not terrible.
whats crazy is the eso economy on pc has crashed over the last year too. prices still may be higher than console but not what they used to be. drough wax now is like 13-14k but this time last year was like 50-60k per one....
Balances changes lately seem to be made by random draws from a hat … that’s why I stopped playing, had 10k+ hours and mid 2k cp, felt good walking. A game shouldn’t make you angry when you play it. Update 44 doesn’t interest me, seems more messed up, maybe update 45 will spark my interest.
I miss when this game was full of end game players and not event quest collectors. Real shame. Casuals are important. But end gamers are as well. And they are basically non existent.
PS has the highest population!? That kinda makes me angry, given how we (PS players) are treated like we don't exist, or are poor relations, by the forums, ZoS, and many streamers.
Good too see console is supreme, pc was trash anyway, ty jake as always bringing up bots, only you tuber that does, jake is the goat, other you tubers take notes
Why is the economy on PC inflated compared to console? Mods. Specifically, crafting mods. It makes doing writs across 10-20 toons trivial in comparison to console. Plus, I know MANY people with multiple ACCOUNTS having multiple toons. This isn't practical on console (without going mad). Inflation happens in MMO's for the same reason it happens in the real world: printing money. And PC players can "print money" with crafting compared to console.
Euro playstation seems fine? never long waits for BGs, Dungeons, depending on time of day. Seems to be more Peeps in Imperial City than a year ago. 🤔. Guilds I'm in very busy on chat etc
I am new to eso and I am having a blast!
PC NA here, played since beta, easily qualify as endgame in all aspects. Currently have 1billion + wealth and float 400 million gold. Have lead 3 significant guilds. Just here to give props, I was skeptical of the your video at first but your grasp of the ebb and flow of the economy and player hase is spot on, great job!.Earned a sub from me!
I think people also forget that the prices of used disc versions of ESO drop to single digit dollars.
I just verified with a local game store and they sell the base Tamriel Unlimited PS4 and XB1 discs for $3.
The barrier to entry for this game, especially on console, is almost non-existent.
game goes on sale on steam regularly for 5$ too
If eso went cross platform with both console versions xbox/PS it would have a huge player base im surprised after all these years the consoles arnt cross platform.
It would ruin the economy for pc players. There is way too much gold on console vs pc.
@@cabbagedestroyer1693worth it.. the economy would eventually adjust.
Being able to play the same account either on PC or consoles would be nice. It's been doing Warframe a lot of good.
Especially when it's much easier to travel with a Series S or Laptop.
@@cabbagedestroyer1693why is there more gold on console?
I keep saying we need this
Console players now have Throne and Liberty and new world, both crossplay too, which is great as ZOS now has competition in the console space.
Hahaha eso is a completely different game can’t even compare them
@@UR_AL_SHOOK_UP all three games are mmo's, all three have pve and pvp. So no, they aren't "completely different".
Can't speak on throne and liberty but new world is pretty similar not exactly the same but close enough @UR_AL_SHOOK_UP
iv ben playing eso for 10 years its not a mmo i wont touch tab targeting games, this is a open world rpg game, its more of gta 5 but with swords and magic
@@saske-nbkthat would make gta5 the same type of game. MMO, pve and pvp. Completely different game.
I’m surprised the change to 14 day sales has not reduced prices on PC. Have seen a significant drop on items on PlayStation NA as a returned item is an unsold item. So people are reducing prices to guarantee the sales.
PC doesn't need more than 14 days to sell items. Add-ons make everything available instantly. Consoles do not have add-ons. Players must visit each trader location to shop, unless they belong to that particular guild and can access them from a bank. Cutting the listing times in half is really hurting console traders, especially those who list more high-end or niche items that might take longer to sell.
no new content means fewer players
...and don't fart wrong at the wrong players (you cannot even find out who complained and got you suspended!) or you get unexplained, unable-to-be-discovered supposed violations from nowhere for no reason, and never even learn why/how anything happened.
@@yestervue4697 Stop tea bagging 😂
@@numaan224I don't do that. I am not a kid.
PC-NA and PC-EU are pretty different too (I play on both) when it comes to the cost of things. I've got ESO on my SteamDeck and my PC, so I can take it with me on vacations xD
PC-NA is about 1500:1. PC-EU seems higher. I'm surprised about the crown-gold ratio on console, and the fact that Playstation population is higher!
Console players who come to PC come from console which has a lot of lag, requires controllers, doesn't have addons. This leads to them tending to be more skilled than those of us who have always been on PC, they're so used to those addons.
I used to play on X-Box One ESO. I started with a sword and board dragon knight, and that was before OneTamriel. It was quite an experience.
April 2020 makes sense - Covid. Same with the holidays; it gets cold outside.
Half the threads on the forums are about performance issues on PC (lag, skills not firing, DC'ing, rubberbanding, etc.) that have been going on for almost 6 months now without any comment from the devs. You can see from the Steam chart that player counts started trending down when v9.3.9 went in early May. I don't do it, but PVP complaints are at all time highs. Player counts are now at 2018 levels, and I don't see anything on the horizon that would bring players back. It's not looking great for the game right now. Despite being a hefty spender, historically, I haven't spent a dime in the Crown store for months, and won't unless they fix the problems.
Yeah it’s crazy how bad the lag is. I swear it was not always this bad
I play at NA, and I have
No issues, and no lag, everything in max settings no frame drops, the performance for me is impressive
Pc: rx6700xt
Ryzen 5 7600x fan cooler
32gb ram 4800 ddr5
190-200 fps
@@terrible1fi It wasn't. The 72+ page thread on the forums about this started on May 7. It happened with the 9.4.9 patch (IIRC).
Crowns on PS NA range from 100-200 per seller. My current crown seller has been selling to guildies at 90:1.
Pc NA is between 1k to 1.2k. That's crazy how many players that there are on ps
I dont care how much or little players there is :D I am a solo player, always has been, always will in Eso. I quit last month and will be back, when I feel like it. Like I and I am sure other ppl has done before ^^. The best part of eso that its free! No bloody monthly sub. Not like wow that has a store and a sub :D haha Has to pump Pillars of eternity 1 & 2 before Avowed comes out.
I do a lot of solo too! Mostly trading and arenas and Infinite Archive!
@@dreamsleever For me same for trading and solo dungeons/world bosses/ exporing/questing :)
Yeah, I play on PS5 NA so don't say you never met anyone who plays only console.
Also yeah the bots at some point became a tourist attraction. (the beach east of Haven, you know the one)
PS-NA crowns vary from 100-250. I know a few sellers who are dedicated to staying at 100, zone chat gets up to 250 when there's a hot crown item but they haven't been on sale for a few months.
Great video. Just subbed
Appreciate you! Hope you enjoy the channel
I sell a lot of intricates on the guild traders! I'm in a Mournhold, Rawl'kah, Wayrest, and Vvardenfell guild. I usually sell it on the Vvardenfell one because of the location. Helps new players, and all my PC-NA chars are maxxed crafting!
Sell Alchemy and Enchanting master writs when people are leveling. Good money!
One of the reasons I consider most relevant to the market value of gold on PC is the existence of addons that simplify gold farming for PC players.
I mean, want to do a daily Writ? Simple, install an addon that will streamline the entire process from something that used to take a few minutes to something that now takes just a few seconds. Just from daily Writs, you can make what? 50k a day just as mission rewards (not counting the materials you'll drop, which is the truly valuable part).
And that's without mentioning the addons that mark material gathering spots, organize inventory, and countless other things that simplify the whole "gold-making" journey.
That's why gold on PC is worth less than gold on consoles: it's easier to farm, thanks to external tools.
I do hop in and out of eso once a year when I get sick of other games. Thinking about playing again.
Player population seems to vary depending on what event is going on. I had some serious lag issues doing mirrormoor incursions.
Australia player here. I’m curious about the numbers on console PlayStation NA as Tue to Fri it’s dead. Literally I can be in an area with no one. It’s very evident the highest numbers are Sat - Mon. My biggest sale time is Mon. Events see a spike but primarily on the weekend.
I have never played through the Steam launcher. Beta test crowd 🤴
Same! Got my monkey too! And the pony guar from the plush guar!
Great video bro
Where can you find the gold to Crown ratio on PlayStation?
PC EU here, current gold:crown is about 2500. The biggest costs for a guild bar none are the guild traders costing millions per week. Never logged in using steam, was in closed beta back at the end of 2013 so I've always used the launcher that comes with the game. We have a lot of people in Skyrim Red Shirts who have moved over from console and also a lot of folks who are returning to the game, quite a lot from WOW and other MMOs that seem to be dying, like STO. I don't know many who used steam, but it indicates login numbers, a bit like a poll indicates voting intentions. Interesting video Jake.
PC NA - Just returned to the game after over a year and boy has the population tanked. I don't have any scientific data to back this up, but I immediately noticed how prices had dropped considerably on consumer staples and asked myself, is it supply or demand? After about a week of trying to sell things at competitive prices I'm coming to the conclusion that it's demand. I couldn't keep this stuff stocked before. Another observation is that popular trade guilds I used to be in are sitting at 300-400 in them now, which was never the case. You used to have to hope to get into some of these. So it's not just time of year I don't think. Kinda sad
ESO is still available on cloud gaming with xbox Ultimate pass
It’s nice seeing you run around xbox tamerial. It’s like getting a 5th nugget
I left xbox for pc. I dont regret it. But i do miss everything i bought. The only other down side is making money kinda sucks right now. XD
Yep are lot have left my Online PlayStation Friend left his Guild. That i’m in weeks ago he was the leader he’s now playing T&L he left the guild to i guess one of the other members i haven’t seen any of them online as well for awhile they might come back near Witches Festival or New Life. 👍🏾
I still end up in log in ques from time to time PC NA so all is well. I see people everywhere, all the time. During events the population crashes servers.
Great Video!
On PS5 NA and the player population seems great imo. See tons of people questing and doing trials/dungeons. Just my $02
For me the main reason is that I have to farm things on my own... The guilds are dead...
"THAT WORD"
I’ve been playing this game since it came out & still haven’t mastered getting money…. What’s the best way to get money without selling crowns?
I used to play on PC too. For a couple of years, actually. My computer decided to stop working so I switched to Xbox in 2022 to get that ESO fix and I ended up completely converting 🤣🤣
To be honest, I prefer it. It's a more even playing field since nobody has add ons. If you don't have add ons on PC, you're at a huge disadvantage. That can be overwhelming for new players. Don't have to worry about that on Xbox. I really love how much more fair it is. In my experience, PC players were more elitist, probably because they don't get the constant inflow of new players. People on Xbox are really nice in comparison.
I'm not @ing every PC player by the way. There are plenty of amazing players in there, I just didn't find them as much unfortunately 😅
Love your videos, Jake! 💜
Hey I need help getting a vampire bite on ps5
seems like theres plenty of players on xbox when queuing for dungeons. just weekends is when pvp is popping. so i guess its not a great population but not terrible.
I think for playstation it's 125 to 200 but not sure really should look into it kinda want all mondus stones
whats crazy is the eso economy on pc has crashed over the last year too. prices still may be higher than console but not what they used to be. drough wax now is like 13-14k but this time last year was like 50-60k per one....
crown rate for pc is also 1300:1 right now as well way down from the 3k-1 like it used to be
As always enjoying the joke and content
Balances changes lately seem to be made by random draws from a hat … that’s why I stopped playing, had 10k+ hours and mid 2k cp, felt good walking. A game shouldn’t make you angry when you play it. Update 44 doesn’t interest me, seems more messed up, maybe update 45 will spark my interest.
I miss when this game was full of end game players and not event quest collectors. Real shame. Casuals are important. But end gamers are as well. And they are basically non existent.
PS has the highest population!? That kinda makes me angry, given how we (PS players) are treated like we don't exist, or are poor relations, by the forums, ZoS, and many streamers.
Good too see console is supreme, pc was trash anyway, ty jake as always bringing up bots, only you tuber that does, jake is the goat, other you tubers take notes
Why is the economy on PC inflated compared to console? Mods. Specifically, crafting mods. It makes doing writs across 10-20 toons trivial in comparison to console. Plus, I know MANY people with multiple ACCOUNTS having multiple toons. This isn't practical on console (without going mad). Inflation happens in MMO's for the same reason it happens in the real world: printing money. And PC players can "print money" with crafting compared to console.
Everytime the nerf something ppl leave lol
I knew Playstation had the most players, most popular console, easy to jump in and cheaper to play.
I always end up back on ESO
Eso is dead on both pc and xbox however on ps the eso community is thriving
😊
Xbox NA dead af 😭😭😭 unfortunately
Ong 🤣
It’s dead only for ppl who are on the top top end of pve or pvp. It’s lonely at the top
@@XxPLoSiVeZ fair enough smh, the 1st mmo you can actually beat i guess 😭🤦🏾♂️
Eso looks more & more dead, but that's just Halloween coming up 😅
lol RUclips guy😅
Yo I made it in a video!! Thats me in the chrome teal armor!!
Xbox better
The joke 😂
I wanted it to be population related for this video haha
Euro playstation seems fine? never long waits for BGs, Dungeons, depending on time of day. Seems to be more Peeps in Imperial City than a year ago. 🤔. Guilds I'm in very busy on chat etc
I see the same people over and over again xbox na.
It’s a great community too!
@Official_JakeClips it is the best community. The same old people however in the same old guilds selling the same old achievements
@@draconianmethods479 no its no one there