Just realized what I , as a lay person, like the most about these excellent NTSB videos. The NTSB a full-fledged government agency, but seemingly unlike all other government agencies, when questioned are asked, they get straight answers. Nobody dances around, nobody interrupts another, everyone is professionally attired, and all conduct themselves with aplomb. No matter the event being investigated, these videos are live, unedited, and restore my faith in the government. Other U.S. government departments could learn a lot about decorum and honesty. Thank you NTSB for the always excellent job you perform.
Wouldn't it be shocking to know that there are a ton of government agencies that operate this way! You never hear about them because they're too "boring."
If I could have my dream job it would be to work for the NTSB. It sounds macabre but to figure out what happened and why perhaps lives in the future could be saved from the lessons learned.
I never would have expected the Chairman to have failed a check ride, thank you for sharing this it actually helped me think that if you fail one its ok
1) SMS isn't a silver bullet for bad company leadership and dangerous company culture. 2) Asking NY to slow down below 250 knots would likely result in vectors to re-sequence (probably toward ALB), which would have actually helped these guys get ahead of the game.
I do have to question the operator putting two pilots together that both exhibit the same deficiencies. While not regulated, it is at very least irresponsible on behalf of the operator. My thoughts go out to the family members, this must have been difficult information to hear on top of the loss of loved ones.
The pilot flying wasn't even supposed to be handling the controls. He was only rated as a SIC by the company. The non-flying captain broke all sorts of rules and regulations on this flight. He finally took control in the last 15 seconds after the SIC had already asked him to take over several times. But instead of breaking off the doomed approach and going around, he tried to make a 90-degree turn less than a mile from the runway and only 300 feet above the ground which was totally insane.
@@747-pilot It is difficult to comprehend why an ostensibly experienced pilot would do these things. Reminds me of that United DC-8 cargo flight that crashed back in the 80s when the captain handed the controls to his flight engineer who'd failed his upgrade to FO several times.
@@icemachine79 Yes, I believe I recall that incident from seeing it on Air Crash Investigations (if my memory serves me right). Truly boggles the mind! Sometimes, I think it is a lack of humility! One has to be very humble in aviation, or else aviation will humble you very quickly!!
a dumb pilot crashes a plane in an open and shut case and we have hours and hours of people drawing large salaries going over it with a fine tooth comb? overkill, waste of time and money.
The plane was already banked past the vertical and stalled before entering the view of the camera. That's why it looks so odd. The plane was almost upside down just prior to impact.
I think he just misspoke. It seems clear enough to me that we're looking at the underside of the plane but we'd be looking at the top of the plane if it was banking that far right.
@@Weaseltube Freezeframe at 26:48 See the tail? We _are_ looking at the top of the plane. But it is banked 125 degrees to the right which is only 55 degrees away from being completely inverted.
@@icemachine79 I had done that already, thanks. Freeze frame at 17:09. The top of the plane is red, the bottom is white. Also the tail, and engines would not have that profile if we were looking at the top of the plane.
Crew was behind before they started the engines......perfect statement.
Never saw one of these before, this was super interesting, appreciate that you guys did this in the public space.
Just realized what I , as a lay person, like the most about these excellent NTSB videos. The NTSB a full-fledged government agency, but seemingly unlike all other government agencies, when questioned are asked, they get straight answers. Nobody dances around, nobody interrupts another, everyone is professionally attired, and all conduct themselves with aplomb. No matter the event being investigated, these videos are live, unedited, and restore my faith in the government. Other U.S. government departments could learn a lot about decorum and honesty. Thank you NTSB for the always excellent job you perform.
Wouldn't it be shocking to know that there are a ton of government agencies that operate this way! You never hear about them because they're too "boring."
Meeting resumes at 1:45:15
I am genuinely impressed by Mr. Sumwalt's professionalism while discussing such a complicated topic.
Yeah he's amazing!! He used to be a pilot as well on the 737 classic
Too bad he had to throw in his disdain for the President in the first 10 seconds of the meeting.
@@friendsofdickjones6266 What are you talking about?
The analysis of the accident starts at 29 minutes.
29:00
Thanks!
If I could have my dream job it would be to work for the NTSB. It sounds macabre but to figure out what happened and why perhaps lives in the future could be saved from the lessons learned.
Macabre? Nah. It would be the biggest honor for me to be part of the NTSB team. Just so perfoessional and advanced.
@William W. Campbell-Shepherd IX Sometimes they do -- see the Tesla autopilot investigation, for example.
I never would have expected the Chairman to have failed a check ride, thank you for sharing this it actually helped me think that if you fail one its ok
The FAA should create an RNAV to Runway 1 with VFR minimums.
Thank goodness these two men didn't kill other people.
SIC could not start the engine of the plane flown? What???
That’s always a red flag, when my Learjet crew argue about which switch to use .
Wow these meetings are publicly available i thought they happen behind closed doors
1) SMS isn't a silver bullet for bad company leadership and dangerous company culture. 2) Asking NY to slow down below 250 knots would likely result in vectors to re-sequence (probably toward ALB), which would have actually helped these guys get ahead of the game.
It’s a sad yet avoidable accident speaking highly about professional training and recurring training
Rip crew
I do have to question the operator putting two pilots together that both exhibit the same deficiencies. While not regulated, it is at very least irresponsible on behalf of the operator. My thoughts go out to the family members, this must have been difficult information to hear on top of the loss of loved ones.
The pilot flying wasn't even supposed to be handling the controls. He was only rated as a SIC by the company. The non-flying captain broke all sorts of rules and regulations on this flight. He finally took control in the last 15 seconds after the SIC had already asked him to take over several times. But instead of breaking off the doomed approach and going around, he tried to make a 90-degree turn less than a mile from the runway and only 300 feet above the ground which was totally insane.
@@747-pilot It is difficult to comprehend why an ostensibly experienced pilot would do these things. Reminds me of that United DC-8 cargo flight that crashed back in the 80s when the captain handed the controls to his flight engineer who'd failed his upgrade to FO several times.
@@icemachine79 Yes, I believe I recall that incident from seeing it on Air Crash Investigations (if my memory serves me right). Truly boggles the mind! Sometimes, I think it is a lack of humility! One has to be very humble in aviation, or else aviation will humble you very quickly!!
a dumb pilot crashes a plane in an open and shut case and we have hours and hours of people drawing large salaries going over it with a fine tooth comb? overkill, waste of time and money.
What a waste of human life.
Thanks for posting this!
When the surveillance video was shown, the narrator said the plane had a right bank angle, but it appears to be in a left bank.
The plane was already banked past the vertical and stalled before entering the view of the camera. That's why it looks so odd. The plane was almost upside down just prior to impact.
Could be the camera's mirrored, but I think @icemachine79 's got it
I think he just misspoke. It seems clear enough to me that we're looking at the underside of the plane but we'd be looking at the top of the plane if it was banking that far right.
@@Weaseltube Freezeframe at 26:48 See the tail? We _are_ looking at the top of the plane. But it is banked 125 degrees to the right which is only 55 degrees away from being completely inverted.
@@icemachine79 I had done that already, thanks. Freeze frame at 17:09. The top of the plane is red, the bottom is white. Also the tail, and engines would not have that profile if we were looking at the top of the plane.
How the hell did reddit get me into this 🐇 hole? 😂😂
I REALLY want to hear the CVR from this flight but I doubt it will be publicly released.
@@ShadowElactual voice probably not, but the transcript is iirc
Dana Schulze is hot
air swamp
Just a vailed insult at the President and his Administration.
I took it as he was just saying that their meetings were postponed because of the shutdown