VERY shrewd move by the Blues' Doug Armstrong and his team. Puts Edmonton in a cap bind this off season AND next because of the 2-year deals, and potentially gets them two more under-24 former 1st round picks to go with all of the other young guys they have coming up recently or in the next couple of years (Neighbors, Kessel, Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Bolduc, Dean, etc.). Even if Holloway and/or Broberg don't work out, they've lost at most some cap space (which they can easily afford), and a 2nd and/or 3rd round pick.
St. Louis REAL target is Philip Broberg. This is who they want but will be tickled pink if they end up with both. That said the recent Blues Pens trade made no sense until the offer sheets went out. Now they have their 2nd pk back they had traded away for next yr which will be the compensation if Oilers walk away from Broberg
Would the Oilers accept a trade of a 2nd&3rd pk for Broberg & Holloway?? not a chance. Great move by Blues GM Doug Armstrong. The Oilers were already sitting over the cap yesterday and if they match both its now 7.2m (approx) which now causes big pain to new Oilers GM to both get under the cap before this October and to find the money to resign the big 2 and others in the near future
This has Peter Chiarelli written all over it, by the way he’s director of hockey operations for ….. St. Louis Payback is a B1TCH, I agree with you, the oilers overplayed their hand and were too comfortable with signing these guys
I disagree with your opinion on offer sheets. There is NO stigma with the players at all!!!! Not 1 NHL player will say to Broberg or Holloway that they shouldnt of excepted more money from another team......Thats just a fans hurt feelings statement. Pro players want all players to make as much as they can. " a rising tide raises all ships"
Absolutely, hockey players are unionized and see that some teams don't spend to the cap, but RFAs stuck on cap-ceiling teams have to take 1M? C'mon they obviously know that millions of dollars in a competing offer is life-changing for not just the players but their families too. Plus more players getting offer-sheeted for overpay contracts just gives them comparables for their own contract negotiations. Players and agents love this shit even if players and owners/management don't.
Fantastic analysis. Devils fan here just curious as to how this will play out. Technically mercer is subject to an offer sheet as well. I doubt it will make a difference with the cap space the devils have but the oilers are in a serious bind here. I dont see a soft landing anywhere. Like the options are, land the plane on an empty highway or the ocean. Both have risks lol
When St Louis was in a bad spot, your got Pronger for Brewer. So don't tell us how you us owe us payback...even with this deal I still think we owe you more payback...unless we come away with both of them
Unexpected? I'd have been astounded if it didn't happen. Why would a team NOT make such offers?? If I'm a GM, (ya I know I'm not), I'd have done the exact same thing. 2 players who you could pick up who you know can play NOW, are just at the start of their skill level, are very young, who's upside is tremendous, and who you could get at a discount. It's a no brainer. I'm only surprised that just the blues had the foresight/ability to make the offers.
They may just have to eat it and take the picks. Sucks but they are so up against the cap it may do more damage completely restructuring cap space just to sign these 2
All the GMs around the league love Bowman. I can see him calling around trying to dump salary and being told sure, we can take that salary for a first round pick. 😁
Broberg will go and Holloway will stay. I can understand why they would accept the offers as things could of happened when Holland could of traded them both in January for a better team. But he held back and this is what we get. Who knows, maybe Holland and the GM of the Blues had this going behind the Oilers back, since they are buddies and Holland knew he was going. I also think it was a mistake to hire Bowman as the GM here. This I was against because of the bs historic path he has done.
These fellas Agents had a huge amount of influence on the players , I would think . I believe the only ones that benefit are the Agents with their commissions , sometimes a SC ring only happens once in a career..... write that down....By the way, I am a Hawks fan.
I think the Oilers chances to win are going downhill rather than up. I also don’t think either player are ever getting payed in EDM just because of the Oilers current top 5 players.
I'd love to see the Oilers match and then turn around and trade Broberg to anyone else just so the Blues don't' get him even if it's for a 2nd round pick since that's all they would get anyway and can't afford the 4.5m
Blues are rebuilding and know their window to potentially win the Cup will be years down the line. Overpaying and cap management in these years only matter insofar as not screwing the team during the competitive window. These offers are only for 2 years.
Brobergs offer sheet at over $4M is absolutely ridiculous. The kid has potential, but he hasn't shown to be an NHL caliber just yet. How in the hell will Bowman match the offer sheets for both players when they're well over the cap? I don't see how will he be able to afford both players.
If I was Broberg, I wouldn't need an agent to know that 4.5M is an offer too good to turn down.
Holloway, Dvorsky, Neighbours sounds fun or Broberg-Kessel as a blues fan
That's what I'm worried about as a blues fan
VERY shrewd move by the Blues' Doug Armstrong and his team. Puts Edmonton in a cap bind this off season AND next because of the 2-year deals, and potentially gets them two more under-24 former 1st round picks to go with all of the other young guys they have coming up recently or in the next couple of years (Neighbors, Kessel, Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Bolduc, Dean, etc.).
Even if Holloway and/or Broberg don't work out, they've lost at most some cap space (which they can easily afford), and a 2nd and/or 3rd round pick.
St. Louis REAL target is Philip Broberg. This is who they want but will be tickled pink if they end up with both. That said the recent Blues Pens trade made no sense until the offer sheets went out. Now they have their 2nd pk back they had traded away for next yr which will be the compensation if Oilers walk away from Broberg
Would the Oilers accept a trade of a 2nd&3rd pk for Broberg & Holloway?? not a chance. Great move by Blues GM Doug Armstrong. The Oilers were already sitting over the cap yesterday and if they match both its now 7.2m (approx) which now causes big pain to new Oilers GM to both get under the cap before this October and to find the money to resign the big 2 and others in the near future
That's exactly it. Chess moves and I didn't see army doing this.
This has Peter Chiarelli written all over it, by the way he’s director of hockey operations for ….. St. Louis
Payback is a B1TCH, I agree with you, the oilers overplayed their hand and were too comfortable with signing these guys
It’s hard to imagine them matching. The fact these kids are still unsigned in mid August speaks volumes about how important they are to the oilers.
Remember the drama about signing Draisaitl? He signed on August 16, 2017. You cannot infer that they are not important because of the date.
I disagree with your opinion on offer sheets. There is NO stigma with the players at all!!!! Not 1 NHL player will say to Broberg or Holloway that they shouldnt of excepted more money from another team......Thats just a fans hurt feelings statement. Pro players want all players to make as much as they can. " a rising tide raises all ships"
Absolutely, hockey players are unionized and see that some teams don't spend to the cap, but RFAs stuck on cap-ceiling teams have to take 1M?
C'mon they obviously know that millions of dollars in a competing offer is life-changing for not just the players but their families too. Plus more players getting offer-sheeted for overpay contracts just gives them comparables for their own contract negotiations.
Players and agents love this shit even if players and owners/management don't.
I agree. There is no way you can blame a player for a raise of 2x or 4x
I mean that's kinda impossible to say. Come on we are talking about humans here.
Fantastic analysis. Devils fan here just curious as to how this will play out. Technically mercer is subject to an offer sheet as well. I doubt it will make a difference with the cap space the devils have but the oilers are in a serious bind here. I dont see a soft landing anywhere. Like the options are, land the plane on an empty highway or the ocean. Both have risks lol
When St Louis was in a bad spot, your got Pronger for Brewer. So don't tell us how you us owe us payback...even with this deal I still think we owe you more payback...unless we come away with both of them
Unexpected? I'd have been astounded if it didn't happen. Why would a team NOT make such offers?? If I'm a GM, (ya I know I'm not), I'd have done the exact same thing. 2 players who you could pick up who you know can play NOW, are just at the start of their skill level, are very young, who's upside is tremendous, and who you could get at a discount. It's a no brainer. I'm only surprised that just the blues had the foresight/ability to make the offers.
They may just have to eat it and take the picks. Sucks but they are so up against the cap it may do more damage completely restructuring cap space just to sign these 2
The Oilers didn't start the off season with a GM, bad move so far.
All the GMs around the league love Bowman. I can see him calling around trying to dump salary and being told sure, we can take that salary for a first round pick. 😁
We're gonna regret letting Broberg go.
Broberg will go and Holloway will stay. I can understand why they would accept the offers as things could of happened when Holland could of traded them both in January for a better team. But he held back and this is what we get. Who knows, maybe Holland and the GM of the Blues had this going behind the Oilers back, since they are buddies and Holland knew he was going. I also think it was a mistake to hire Bowman as the GM here. This I was against because of the bs historic path he has done.
I'm too pissed to comment!!!
These fellas Agents had a huge amount of influence on the players , I would think . I believe the only ones that benefit are the Agents with their commissions , sometimes a SC ring only happens once in a career..... write that down....By the way, I am a Hawks fan.
I think the Oilers chances to win are going downhill rather than up. I also don’t think either player are ever getting payed in EDM just because of the Oilers current top 5 players.
Broberg doesn't benefit from an additional 8 mill in his pocket?
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'd love to see the Oilers match and then turn around and trade Broberg to anyone else just so the Blues don't' get him even if it's for a 2nd round pick since that's all they would get anyway and can't afford the 4.5m
If the Oilers match it, they can't trade him for a year.
@@gregrainer2593 ya too bad but guess it's to protect the players
Stop looking at yourself , look at the camera . You're talking to US , if you need to see yourself - get a mirror
Blues made huge overpay to both players
Big mistake on their part. Sounds like a Chiarelli plan to me
Blues have the cap space, they can afford to overpay, the Oilers can't.
That's the point 😂
It's a low risk high reward gamble. 4D chess move!
Blues are rebuilding and know their window to potentially win the Cup will be years down the line. Overpaying and cap management in these years only matter insofar as not screwing the team during the competitive window. These offers are only for 2 years.
@@theperverseincentive This. And both players fit the timeline for the Blues!
Armstrong hates bowmen chi hm
Brobergs offer sheet at over $4M is absolutely ridiculous. The kid has potential, but he hasn't shown to be an NHL caliber just yet. How in the hell will Bowman match the offer sheets for both players when they're well over the cap? I don't see how will he be able to afford both players.