ALL about the DSC Sport Controller for the C7 CORVETTE from OWNER of TPC and WHY you NEED ONE!!
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I sat down with the owner of TPC (Mike) and talked to him about the DSC Sport Controller. I wanted to find out more about exactly what it does and how it works. He goes over the specifics with me so we can all have a better understanding of what the controller is doing for your car, and in my case, the C7 Corvette.
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Totally worth it! It has literally transformed my car into something that can actually put the power down.
Great stuff. That guy and his shop is the real deal. Thx J. 👍👊
Thanks, JT! He definitely seems to know his stuff!
I sat down with the owner of TPC (Mike) and talked to him about the DSC Sport Controller. I wanted to find out more about exactly what it does and how it works. He goes over the specifics with me so we can all have a better understanding of what the controller is doing for your car, and in my case, the C7 Corvette.
DSC Controller - www.dscsport.com/corvette/
Did you buy the Controller direct from DSC and broght it with you for TPC to install, or you got it from TPC and paid one price along with the labor (for the the adjustments they did)?
@@kevinclark1482 I got everything directly from them at the same time as my visit.
HorsePower Obsessed good to know thanks!
@@kevinclark1482 you're quite welcome!
Workin 2day. Gonna recheck my Window sticker decal.
Check it for what?
Excellent video and the content is a game changer!!
Thanks, man! It's definitely something everyone with a C7 should at least look into.
Loved the video.
Thank you! 👍👍
@@HorsePowerObsessed i watched a video last night with a guy testing this other guys C7 with a procharger. They made a comment about traction and handling so I recommended your last two videos.
I appreciate that! 👍👍
I wonder, can they run more power tools while filming the next video? Perhaps a jackhammer in the parking lot. That would be neat.
🤣🤣🤣 this is what happens at a functional shop, unfortunately.
How does the car feel with the dsc controller at the track?
I couldn't find any track related videos on his page. What I did find is car shows, C&C. news...etc.
I hope so. Make sure 2morrow.
Are you going in tomorrow?
How something 'feels' is not always indicative of what it's actually doing. For example, although it may feel right, it may or may not be an improvement. And the only way to determine that, with a car in this case, is to compare before and after lap times for example. Although there's more to it than simply saying so. There need be an established baseline lap time on a known track that can be repeated consistently with a predefined variation permitted. Of course weather and track conditions must be as equal as possible during each test if they're on different days. And ideally, going a step further and obtaining the same data under varying conditions is also beneficial if one finds themselves in those conditions periodically.
The point being such data is crucial since only then can one know if a change (a change to anything) resulted in an improvement or not. Again, how it feels may or may not be indicative of what is actually happening and only data obtained under real world conditions can reveal the facts.
Note: I'm not dismissing a given technology or those who represent it. I'm simply stating this is how things are done in virtually all forms of engineering development, in this case as it relates to high performance cars.
Absolutely correct! The owner has a lot of track time into the actual DSC unit though and while I can't speak to my specific track numbers odds are good he can. I didn't get the information from him but I'm sure it's an improvement. It may be more but it's worth it in my opinion.
@@HorsePowerObsessed I'm glad you said that. It makes me happy. :) However, and it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with you, but in my experience with regard to high performance cars and their owners, many if not most, often tend to make claims with no real world data, which they personally obtained and have a record of in order to verify any changes. Be it an improvement, one which made no measurable difference or that resulted in a negative change. That also includes an adverse effect on something they may or may not have been aware of and thus made no effort to obtain data with respect to.
Such is not uncommon when making a change. That is why the only way to truly determine if said change was for the better is continued experience over time on different tracks and in different conditions.
Therein lies the advantage of something like the DSC controller for example. Say you find yourself on a track you've never been on before, with weather and/or track conditions you've never experienced before. You would first need to establish a base lap time. For example an average of several laps. And no, you don't get to cherry pick the best lap out of twenty. And frankly, sometimes your best bet is to leave it in/on the trailer. Unless of course you're there to test in the specific conditions at the time.
Lastly, one thing I can say for certain is, that next to full-on race tires such as the PS2 Cup R, these tires (PS2 Cup) are nothing short of magical! I drive my car every chance I get and have yet had it fail to make me grin and even LOL at how insanely capable it is, which makes it very difficult for me to restrain myself. And it's not the power alone mind you. It's the chassis, tires and suspension. They dialed this thing up to 11. I've driven European exotics and the C7 in general is absolutely in the same league in many ways. Not all! But to me, it is with regard to those that matter to me.
That brings me to the C8 since I’m often asked if I’m going to get one, to which I reply I probably will at some point. Although it won’t be the first model year, as tempting as it will hopefully be. I say that simply because of the fact they’ve never engineered a mid-engine car intended for production and retail sale. And experimental vehicles built decades ago don’t count for much, imo.
Furthermore, and as I went into some detail in another post, mid-engine designs have some inherent quirks not typical of front engine cars. And yes, I know, some people claim the Corvette is ‘technically’ a front mid-engine car. Although they’re not. It’s not as simple as the engine being behind the front axle and forward of the driver, verses in front of the rear axle and behind the driver. It’s not the mechanical differences alone. It has far more to do with where the mass of the engine is in relation to the rest of the vehicle. With mass being measured as weight. Therefore, when a car is stopping for example it becomes a matter of what that physical mass (weight) is doing, in a 'virtual' sense. That being the weight, virtually speaking, transfers forward, which greatly aids in front tire traction as well as rear tire traction since the actual mass of the engine remains over the rear wheels.
And that’s great for a variety of reasons, but there's also a dark side. One many do not realize. And it's something inherent to a mid-engine design. In short, although they handle very well most of the time, they also have some occasionally unpredictable tendencies as well. The classic example being unlike a rear wheel drive vehicle where the engine is in the front (Corvette) or the rear (some Porsche's) the rear end may not always, and predictably so, slide out in the same manner it does with conventional setups. Instead the entire vehicle goes sideways off the road, whereby counter steering does nothing to stop it. I know since I’ve experienced it and was aware of the possibility beforehand. Thankfully there was plenty of surface and I didn’t hit anything. Nor did it spontaneously burst into flames as a certain Ferrari was known for. ;)
I say that since some C8 owners may experience something similar. It’s why I recall mentioning the active handling system will likely be improved upon and tested for the mid-engine car, perhaps to a greater degree than it has been. Simply due to the limits being greater and the fact that, generally speaking, when a mid-engine car loses grip the driver often goes along for the ride since there’s nothing they can do at that point. Therefore, preventing that condition from occurring is more important. That’s one of the advantages of ‘fly-by-wire’ systems; they protect one from themselves. Although one can still manage to screw up if they try hard enough. And thus become known as ’that guy’. :|
Btw, ’guy’ meaning in the generic sense. In my world 'guy' or 'guys' is often used when referring to one another, be they male or female. Equal opportunity and all, which I feel is rather amusing at this point in history. But I digress.
Exactly. I trust the word of Mike there only because he has a lot of track time under his belt and he uses his own product. It works well for him and my experience with it seems to be quite positive as well. There are a few members on the Corvette forum that have experienced better track times with the unit as well.
Would love to see track times from a professional driver. Not trying to be a skeptic but considering all the development that went into this car at various tracks it's hard to believe GM missed the suspension tuning by a significant amount as claimed here.
@@backroadreviews7353 There are a lot of members on the Corvette forum that have noted improvements on the street as well as the track. There are a few that attend track events often and while they aren't "professionals" they have noted impressive improvements with the DSC controller.
Obviously Mark Reuss could have used Mike's Sport Controller. Maybe if Mike gifts one to him, Mary Barra might let him have another try with a ZR1. LOL Save the Wave Justin.
Lol exactly! This controller really helps keep traction while improving ride quality! It's really amazing.
LOL 😂 😆 😝
@@curtisfish7984 🤣🤣🤣
Magnetic ride
Ground breaking news and must be passed on in all languages throughout the world where this car is sold. Simply incredible detective work that should have come to the forefront years ago. The reviews for this car at the limit are terrifying and that never should have been the case. GM missed out on a opportunity to further enhance Its reputation of having the best package out there bar none for the price instead of a car that needed Randy Pobst to extract Its performance. I will never forget the Jason Cammisa commentary of pushing the limits of the car would result in death. No one bought the car as a mini van. Probably the single most important C7 video made, and i mean it. Serious info contained in this series that makes you think twice about a C8.
Thank you. I do agree this is quite important stuff for the C7's in general.
Any place in SW Fla that does the DSC installation? How to contact this Mike guy ? Thanks for posting
I don't think there is one outside of Maryland. Their site is www.dscsport.com.
Do you need this adjustment if you are NOT tracking your car? Also how did you find this person? I am in Dallas do I just google DSC controllers for Corvette's or is there a better way? Another good video! You are helping me make my purchase next month. I am not a Corvette person yet, so this is all new. While I want a GS, I have realized there are a lot more Z06's in the marketplace. So if I end up with a Z06 (because I got the best deal) then I want it as compliant as possible.
Thank you! These adjustments are still very important whether you are tracking the car or not. The rear caster on the Corvette is almost dangerous the way it comes from the factory. I had mine adjusted by a dealership local to me that has a specific "CORVETTE Mechanic" and he still had no idea the rear caster was adjustable and because of that had completely missed the rear caster numbers. My car was very shaky over bumps especially in the rear end. After this alignment it was night and day and then the DSC controller on top of it smoothed it out even more.
The best way to find a place that can do an alignment correctly is, unfortunately, calling around to different shops and specifically asking "Can you adjust the rear caster on a Corvette?" I did it multiple times trying to stay local and NO ONE knew how to do it. I had already heard of DSC via the Corvette forums so I knew that was my last hope. I couldn't find anything closer that was as reliable as their reputation suggested they were so I just made an appointment and I'm glad I did!
Do I need to get the update from GM 1st before the DSC controller? Or would it be a waste of $ and the DSC is all I need?
DSC would be all you need. You don’t need it to update it first.
Took it to Mike and gotter done! Amazing!!
Did you get your Vette wrapped ? What do you think of wraps ?
I have not gotten it wrapped. I personally LOVE red and unless I found a red wrap I liked more than the stock color I wouldn't do it.
I think bob clapper is talking about a clear wrap to protect the paint.
Oh, in that case, yes. I would get that done. I don't have it but I wish I would have gotten it.
Just curious if adding bigger sway bars front & rear and using this DSC controller would cause for the suspension to be even better, and allow for flatter turning.
He stated nothing else needs to be changed. Other than the alignment and the controller the car is pretty much ready to go. He actually mentioned to me that people who changed out their sway bars noticed worse performance.
HorsePower Obsessed OK had sways on my bucket list to get but glad I put the question out there. Def going to read up more about this DSC Controller and plan to follow your lead with getting one along with a proper alignment myself. Keep up these informative videos, got me anxious now to see what’s coming next from you!!! 👍
Thanks! I definitely will. This stuff is my life! 😁👍
Justin, are these controllers interchangeable with other C7s with mag ride. or even a C6 with mag ride?
I don't think the C6, but yes, any C7 model with mag ride will work.
Your C7 looks awesome. Unfortunately, the Vette I used to own was a C4. Don't hate. I was freshly divorced, and it was my "I'll show you" car.
Thanks, man! No hate at all! So far all of the Vettes have been awesome in their own way.
Is the DSC sport controller, just for the C7 with magnetic ride control? Curious, I have a Z51.
It has to have mag ride, yeah. The Z51 should have that, though, right?
My Z51 , doesn't have the magnetic ride. I'll check just 2 make sure.
I thought it was stock with the Z51's...?
So, it goes without saying that I like a sports car to talk to me (road feel) . I recently got to drive a Zl1/1le and it feels perfect! The base 1le is a little soft. Would there be tunes/programs that would help bridge the gap for the DSC controller ? My guess would be 20-30% stiffer would really help bridge the gap.
Yes, that's the ONE thing about this controller that puts it above the GM stuff. It's FULLY user adjustable. If you want it stiffer you can do that, if you want it softer, you can also do that. It's all adjustable with a computer.
@@HorsePowerObsessed thank you ! Some of us prefer a ride that communicates the surface we are on. The road surface to me is like steering feel. I don't mind feeling what the road is doing. Some people think that every car has to ride like a Toyota Camry; fact is...it doesn't. Especially in a sports car. It's simple engineering. The shocks can help a lot but the fundamentals of gravity is still there. You still need a fairly stiff setup to corner for any real competition. A soft spring/shock = more sway depending on the amount of force you put on it. If most of these guys have ever been in a true track car, they would really know what stiff is like. Give me that ride all day! #savemefromcamrys
Absolutely agree. I'd rather have a stiffer feeling suspension even for everyday driving but now, with this controller, I can have EITHER one at the press of a button. Going over some insanely rough pavement? Touring mode will soak it all up. Want to drive the car like it should be driven? Sport/Track mode FTW. It's an awesome piece of equipment.
The creator of the DSC controller definitely didn't make it to have the car ride more like a Camry. He is a HUGE track nut himself and produced it with TRACK USE in mind. Giving us adjustability while also having the options to change between soft and stiff for their specific uses is really what this thing was designed for.
What is a DSC controller? Is it an electronic device or mechanical? Does TPC also offer other C7 ZO6 mods?
It is a replacement electronic module for the C7 Corvette that adjusts how the mag ride works.
@Midtown z06 Midtown, if you don't have anything to add just shut your pie hole
@@HorsePowerObsessed Thanks HPO
You're welcome! 👍
so all i need is DSC Sport Controller from there? nothing to do or add anything on c7?
The most important part is the alignment. The rear caster is adjustable and very important. The controller just makes it even better. If you are only able to get one of them though I would get the alignment.
qr qr You want to have your Rear Caster aligned when you install the DSC Controller. There is another You Tube Video just before this one that explains the Rear Caster alignment. Be sure and check it out.
@@curtisfish7984 definitely the single most important part!
@@curtisfish7984 thank you so much!!
@@HorsePowerObsessed is there any specific measured value of the rear caster? thank you for your reply!
Hello Justin, Back on the road overseas, however, enjoyed every day @ home driving my ZO6. That said, very informative video and have a few questions. First of all, should I assume you took your car to GM to align the front and rear end ie. toe in / out & caster? The fact GM did not know what they were doing, you in fact took it to Mike to correct the issue? Secondly, while you were there, decided on changing out the original GM controller for the DSC controller? Look forward to hearing back from you. Blue skies buddy, Jg
That's right, John. GM really did a number on my alignment due to not knowing the rear caster was adjustable. The guys at DSC fixed it up and then replaced that controller which really helped with keeping the car more planted and allowing more control over ride comfort.
Wow what a great shop.
It definitely is! 👍👍
Pros connect with the car. Develop proper communication with in driver and car. The car will tell you want it wants. Suspension geometry is very important.
Absolutely agree! 👍👍
mike say's his settings are no big secret but dosent show how to adjust the rear castor the most important thing in getting your c7 tuned to the road. i watched your other video with the castor setting it was edited lots of information left ou,t no suspention place or delearship in the U. S. DOSNT know how to adjust the rear castor .why not make a video on that?WTF
What information is left out? They publicly display their camber, toe, and caster settings. He uses a digital angle gauge to adjust the rear caster and the normal alignment machine for the rest. I showed everything and Mike is 100% transparent with all their recommended settings. Not sure what was left out...
Plz create your videos, if possible, with LESS background NOISE..pretty annoying...
Unfortunately, with this being a shop, there was work being done to cars while I was there.
tire pressure, tire size and tire wear all plays a part of the Equation. that item is not needed just saying! plus suspension...there is alot more involved than installing a box! lol plus no need for street driving.jusy drive your car and enjoy it. !!!
Use a darn personal mic next time . All I hear is a air gun and thumping in the background.
Pretty much all I can hear is a air ratchet blasting away and cars and trucks passing by.. would love to know what your saying , cause my c7 jumps also. When I first bought the car new I kept it in track mode all the time 3 rims cracked so I bought aftermarket rims and keep it out of track mode..
I can hear it fine... I'll put in some closed captions later I guess. This is the problem with a shop doing work all day.
Not a problem for the shop doing work all day. The problem is doing a recording in the open bay outside. Next time take it indoors away from the shop. Good info for those new folks with vettes but nothing new here for those with the DSV. If there is a recommendation for a ride height setting other than stock, post on the DSC web page. If there is a ratio to maintain when lowering that needs to be stated also. My only take away was that it was ok to lower but the front should be higher than the back but no other info? Can you see how this can be problematic?
Nice. Buuut.... 7 18 19...
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Hard to hear , how much is total cost
With the alignment and DSC controller is around 1500.00.
audio sucks
Like I said, It's a shop doing work all day, if it was dead quiet there I'd be concerned.
What he said, good info lost due to sound track, keep going, like channel. You would wear mics. It's $$$ but worth it for higher quality channel. I have messed up too, have 1k videos on my channel, so not pot calling kettle black...
:)
It's totally audible on my end but like I said at a shop that does work these kind of things happen. I wouldn't have bothered putting it up if it wasn't audible, everything he said was totally understandable so we'll just have to look past the audio issue on this one.
I'm very interested in what this product is, but you can't hear the audio AT ALL......You guys need to move to a different location!
I can hear it just fine. I'm not sure how you wouldn't be able to hear it...?
Hey brotha love the content but honest feedback, sound quality was absolute crap.
Sorry, couldn't do anything about that at a shop that's doing work on cars.