THE DAY BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER DIED
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2023
- Buffy The Vampire Slayer brought new life to the undead. Making vampires the topic of conversation in the 90s. It was less Dracula and more The Lost Boys meets Degrassi.
The series gave us characters we loved in Buffy , Angel , Spike , and Willow ---
But it also killed off series favorites.
Gave us unimpressive newer replacements.
Turned good guys into big bads.
While there was a prolonged rise, there was a swift fall.
Tara's Death.
Dark Willow.
Spike " seeing red "
There were a lot of contributing factors to the downfall of the Slayer.
That's why today we're going to look back at the day Buffy died.
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Season 6 is my favorite season. I felt like it did an amazing job depicting depression. It helped me get through my first bout of depression when I was told I was too young to know what depression was. As someone who has had psychotic breaks and having a hard time figuring out what’s reality and what’s not I actually really loved it being depicted in the mental hospital episode. It’s easy to see it as unrealistic if you’ve never dealt with that… especially when reality is the worst option in your mind… I think these mental health struggles need to be shared and I admire BTVS for doing a concept season while still keeping overall series continuity. I love season 6 forever. I don’t think I would he alive without it to be honest.
hated 6 with a passion
@@StewNWT Season 7 is much worse with all the annoying potentials especially Rhona and Kennedy.
Once More With Feeling FTW!
I like season 6
As an avid Buffy fan who rewatched all seasons many times... yeah! Season 6 for the win :) I'm annoyed by all the people hating season 6 and acting as if it was clearly the worst season or something... man, like or dislike what you want, but don't tell me you know how "bad" a season or episode was because by now Buffy is literally a science and there will never be consensus about anything among us fans :D and that's how I like it :) just as long as we agree that there are always other opinions among us and they are just as valid :)
I hated that they made Spike a rapist.
James Marsters himself stated that he hated that scene. However, Whedon wanted it to happen because (although obvious) he didn't like Spikes character.
@@HellfireClub242If he didn't like Spike's character he wouldn't of given him a soul
You think that vampire Spike never do a rape before? Maybe you have a trouble with memories but in season 3 he has about to rape Willow... He not just talk about blood.
So that have actualy sense, Spike is still a monster. He rape people, he kill people. Chip not changing him that much.
Not everybody can be likeable. I've realistically knew someone for years who just snapped about his rejection and did a similar attempt
Girl, stfu. He was already s rapist, murderer monster when he firts appeared . What show did you were watching?
We all experience this show so differently. To me, things don’t start getting interesting until after high school is over.
Same. I love the high school years, but the real show starts at season 5
Same
Absolutely
4-6 are my favorite part of the series. Season 2 is also pretty great. Honestly, don't like 7 very much.
yeah season 6 is top 2 for me
A couple of counters:
While there were characters who came and went with the seasons, the core group remained stable through the entire run: Buffy, Willow, Xander, and Giles, who did leave the series for most of Season Six, due the preferences of Anthony Stewart Head.
The Season Four finale did have links to both the past season(s) and the season following. (On a personal note, I enjoy Season Four - none of the seasons was perfect - nothing is - but each of the seasons, even the weaker ones, had some excellent episodes, and each of them also had episodes that experimented and/or played with concepts).
Tara did not spend most of Season Five in a magic-induced daze. In a season of 22 episodes, her daze lasted from the last section of Episode 19 to around end of midpoint of Episode 22.
I would disagree with your argument about the lowering of stakes and disregard as well as repeated tropes in resurrecting Buffy, as the dangers are specifically noted and ignored by Willow especially, and 99% of the season deals with Buffy's reaction to being pulled back into the living world. Far from ignoring and disregarding, Season Six explores and questions the consequences and stakes. Do they do it perfectly? No, of course not. Do they pull away from the questions, though? Again, no. We've already seen an attempt to resurrect Joyce and why it was a nightmarish idea. We see that resurrecting Buffy was also a bad idea, at least all the way to the very last moments of the season, and this is why so many of the characters are portrayed "negatively".
I do agree about the "Seeing Red" moment: if they wanted to show what Spike still was, there could have been other ways to do so.
She says specifically that there was no pain, and no sense of anything except peace. She never says anything about having spent time with lost loved ones.
The actor is Anthony Stewart Head, not Anthony Rupert Hall. Rupert is the first name of the character Giles.
I am disagreement about "the Buffy you knew and the Buffy you didn't want to know": I personally found the Season Six Buffy intriguing and complicated; the Buffy of previous seasons could also have traits that made her less than perfect and sometimes a cause of impatience (for me). It contributed to her humanity in this eccentric environment, and for me Season Six was really no different in that regard. That goes for Willow and the other characters.
I agree with the handling of Dawn in Season Six, and Season Seven.
The moment between Anya and Spike is not planned or deliberate on the part of either character: both are frustrated, feeling deserted and unloved. It's a desperate reaching out for connection on the part of both.
The Big Bad for Season Six, as Whedon suggested, is life itself. In terms of a tangible Big Bad, it's Willow, who starts her path to that title in Episode 1 of the season. Willow is not, and never had been only light hearted. From our first moment meeting her, she presents a core of insecurity, and a tendency to dislike herself. We note that she depends deeply on the very few people who are friends with her. We learn that her mother is distant and lacks empathy for her daughter. Far from being a cheat, Dark Willow is an organic outcome of the previous seasons, hinted at even in the fun and excellent "Doppelgangland".
I do not say Season Six was bad. I say it was difficult, but purposefully so. I agree portions of the development of character and plot were rushed; that the impetus for Spike to leave town was not managed well, and that the character of Dawn lost focus. I do not agree that the various targets for each main character development was wrong, off-track or unreasonable, or that Season Six was a failure. For me, the only season that approaches "failure" was Seven.
I do not agree that there is nothing in "Buffy" worth watching after Season Five. Therefore I disagree with your premise.
Buffy is a dumb teen drama. Angel has so much more depth.
@@ktowniecity7269 That may be true, and it probably is. But it was a well-written and well-acted dumb teen drama with some very good, strong moments. By the same token, "Angel" was a noir rip-off with a standard-issue broody hero, but it was also well-written and well-acted.
Great comment. Totally agree.
I wish that they had built the Dark Willow storyline better. The narcissistic drug addict who loses control after the loss of a loved one, only to return to their former self and 😂 sensibilities, 😂 all because of a crayon, didn’t really work for me. It felt cheap. I was hoping for a well crafted story that built on all the groundwork that was already present for Willow. Shy, insecure, often bullied Willow became more confident in the later seasons but she still had scars and self doubt.
Excessive use of magic as a metaphor for drug abuse was cheesy. Addiction is an illness, and grief can push someone into a downward spiral. It’s not a free pass for Willow to skate the same way Angel did as Angelus. He wasn’t really the one doing the evil, it was just a demon wearing his face. How the writers approached Willow using magic in the later seasons was very disappointing. After they created Dark Willow it was like they had written her into a corner and had no idea what to do with her character, so she became a pale imitation of who she once had been. I just wish that they had let her own her actions, and created a complex character who was capable of many things and struggled to find balance.
@@MusicRainfield I'd argue that the crayon isn't the thing that brings her back. Xander chose that story to recall former child Willow out any number from their shared life in Sunnydale. What brings her back is Xander's refusing to back down when she attacks him, and keeps repeating that he loves her. That's what does it.
I agree that the addiction analogy is not well handled, but Willow's descent into what she becomes at the end of Season Six can easily be traced from Season One, where we see the core insecurity in her; the often-blind approach to that insecurity from her friends; the reliance on magic that begins to rear its head as early as Season Three; and the essential loneliness Willow experiences in her life, which means that people leaving her is more frightening and heart wrenching than it is for other people.
It's different from Angel/Angelus, and I don't think you can draw as many parallels between him/them and Willow/Dark Willow as you might think you could.
I do agree with you that Season Seven Willow, after her return to Sunnydale, is not developed well, but that's a consequence of the decision to bring in the Potentials, which caused a lag in the development of most of the core characters. We do see that Willow is afraid of herself ... true to form, actually, though for different reasons now, and she needs to overcome them for the big showdown finale. I agree it wasn't elegantly handled in Season Seven, but the outline of what should have been an organic end arc is there.
I usually agree with Vee’s opinions but on this one not so much. I am a huge Buffy fan since 97’ & a lot of his takes - though insightful - seem to be taken from an outsiders point of view & not someone who understands the nuances of the show.
I'm a huge Buffy fan as well. This video seemed 'off'. I've watched other Buffy videos with very thoughtful insights. Even though I might have disagreed with some of them, I could respect their opinion. But this seems to have been written by someone who didn't watch the series - or perhaps just skimmed through it.
Yes.
Homie completely misunderstood literally every aspect of season 6
Exactly!
Season 6 was fuckin shit
@@flowerchild8450 I am sorry for you and anyone else who feels that way. Some people aren't cut out for shows that go deeper than "kill monster"
@@nickmandl my problem with it wasn’t that it was going deeper than “kill monster” lol it was that the writing was atrocious.
@@flowerchild8450 as has everything been since season 7, thats when Buffy the story died. when the show did. we should be happy we got that far, considering not even an audiobook can last a season, or just be buffy without some hidden agenda.
13:48 Anya sleeping with Spike had nothing to do with Xander and was in no way an attempt to hurt him. Anya herself states “that wasn’t vengeance, it was solace”. She never even knew he would find out. Xander of course made it all about him because he’s an ass.
I won't deny that Xander is a Bunghole, but even though it was solice, would you expect Spike to keep that to himself and not rub it in Xander's face?
@@a-man2530I seriously doubt Spike would’ve ever mentioned it to Xander. Simply because it would hurt Anya..
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 And he wouldn't have wanted Buffy to know.
He really got that wrong. Anya was broken and reached out to someone for comfort. She wasn't trying to hurt Xander.
I always forget that buffy has the most cucks per capita than any other fan bases
Hey Wesley might’ve only been on Buffy for a few episodes but bringing him on for Angel created the greatest character arc I’ve seen on TV. His character out grew so many.
Wesley and Cordelia had the best character development once they left Buffy.
Agreed! Wesley had one of the greatest character developments I've ever seen. When I occasionally rewatch Buffy, I'm always surprised at how goofy a character Wesley was. His character arc throughout Angel was incredibly well done.
I have to disagree with the read of Anya vis a vis her hookup with Spike. It didn't come off like her seeking revenge, it was two brokenhearted people commiserating over their wounds and then seeking comfort and distraction physically. Plus, Anya was single at the time. Recently dumped. By Xander. She did nothing wrong here; Xander is the schmuck in this scenario (and most scenarios, if we're being honest). He left her at the altar, blew up their relationship, and then had the nerve to act like HE was the aggrieved party, throwing a viscious verbal tantrum. I will admit that Xander is my least favorite character, but I never hated him more than I did in that moment.
Also, Buffy had no reason to be mad either. She'd ended things with Spike.
I agree that the potential Slayers was probably a misused plotline I really like the whole concept of Spike getting his soul back in the consequences of that for him
It's been stated multiple times that characters cannot return because you cannot tamper with the laws of nature. Giles literally said this at the beginning of the season, and even Buffy’s response to returning was that of pain because she was peacefully in heaven but has now returned to hell feeling the sorrow, which connects to Angel S2, which confirms why Buffy was feeling as such.
There's also the bit in Villains where Willow tries to bring Tara back. She doesn't have the urn and it's mentioned that it only worked for Buffy because she died through mystical means.
When he mentioned that I couldn't help but wonder if he'd actually watched the show. He even asked the question why did they not bring back Joyce - an entire episode was devoted to that very topic!
i mean i don't know what the spin is, because i'm not paying to listen to it, but around the time of your comment, there was an audiobook season released containing at least 3 dead buffy members, and the demo you can listen to sets it in current times so i don't know what any of them would be voicing.
Spike's trademark coat cost $2,000 from a top fashion store. It was then run over repeatedly by a truck to give it that distressed look.
James Marsters only read the scripts for his own scenes, as he was a fan of the show and didn't want to have the rest of the episode spoiled for him.
Series creator Joss Whedon has said that the idea for Buffy came from all the horror movies he had seen featuring a helpless young blonde who would almost always be the first to die. He felt she needed a better image.
Angel was originally conceived as nothing more than a weird guy who occasionally showed up to give Buffy vague advice. There were several ideas for his true identity tossed around, including that he was an actual angel who needed to complete a certain number of good deeds before being allowed back into Heaven, before his being a vampire was decided on literally while writing the episode with the reveal.
Seth Green disliked being underutilized in season three, as he hated having to show up for work when he'd only have one or two lines the whole time. This is why Oz is absent midway through season four.
Joss Whedon wanted to increase paranoia by making the vampires look like normal humans until it's time to feed and they transform into monsters. He wanted them to very clearly look like monsters though to ensure a certain level of fantasy on the show. It took 1 hour and 20 minutes to apply the facial prosthetic and just as long to remove it after filming.
Alyson Hannigan is very good friends with singer Pink whose daughter is named Willow. After her birth, Hannigan praised her name choice on Twitter.
The cast hated the library scenes, since they were full of exposition and took forever to film. They all celebrated when it blew up.
Ranked #10 on Entertainment Weekly's list of the "100 Greatest Shows of All Time."
Sarah Michelle Gellar's favorite episodes were The Prom (1999), Hush (1999), and The Body (2001).
Sarah Michelle Gellar was unable to attend the wrap party, as she was busy filming Scooby-Doo (2002).
There are just seven episodes in which no vampire appears. They are Witch (1997), The Pack (1997), I, Robot... You, Jane (1997), The Puppet Show (1997), Inca Mummy Girl (1997), Living Conditions (1999), and Fear Itself (1999). In the other ones, even when there are no vampire foes, there's always Angel, or Spike. Or both.
The series is not based on the feature film Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992), but Joss Whedon's original screenplay, which had been heavily re-written to be more comedic. The Buffy comic book series adapted the screenplay, bringing the events of the movie in-line with the television show's continuity.
Sarah Michelle Gellar disliked season six, because of the dark tone of the storylines. She also wasn't a fan of the extensive preparation that had to be done for Once More, with Feeling (2001).
Spike's birth name William Pratt is also the birth name of iconic horror actor Boris Karloff.
In Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992), Buffy says that her only life goals are to "graduate, go to Europe, marry Christian Slater, and die." Although Joss Whedon has repeatedly stressed that the movie should not be considered "canon" for the television show, by the end of it, Buffy actually accomplishes three of these goals, graduate, go to Europe, and die, although, not in that order.
Buffy's full name is "Buffy Anne Summers". This was explained in Anne (1998), where Buffy said Anne is her middle name.
Before he was turned into a vampire, Spike's name was William. Angel's real name was Liam.
Principal Wood felt look like the Whedonverse version of Blade. So much so that the cover of Nikki Wood comic was a throwback to Blade's first appearance in Tomb of Dracula.
He Strong and skilled enough to battle demons and vamps with out any empowerment. The only son of a slayer that we know of, i theorized that he inherited some strength from his mother. (Plus he was trained by her Watcher)
But yea, he was a late eddition to the show....but then it was nice to see another character of color on a predominately white show (not that it matters that much, but a little authentic and sincere diversity is welcomed.....)
@darkservantofheaven
Principal would should have been saved and added to the planned Spike the vampire spin-off.
@darkservantofheaven
I also find the concept of Dawn becoming the New Slayer and having Spike being a mentor / teacher to be a good idea on paper. The thing that would have made it interesting would be if Spike got his soul back via "the Powers that be" choosing him to become their champion and a guardian/protector to the new Slayer Dawn.
What would make it even more interesting would be if Tara and Willow were also chosen as well and both got MASSIVE power boost from the Powers.
I absolutely loved vampire Willow in "The Wish"!
I never knew willow and Wesley were married in real life
Love how Their initials connected
Willow-welsey
Allison-Alexis
What’s even weirder is Tara & Warren dated irl
Honestly I think season 6 is one of the better seasons; and the whole season is largely about why both bringing people back from death AND using the powerful magics involved is NOT a good idea.
I do think “Seeing Red” handled a lot wrong; and while we needed to get both Spike and Willow where they ended up at the episode end; the writers didn’t understand the gravity of what they were playing with. That episode needed work.
Everyone has their own answers as from best to least favorite, but I have never seen anyone say the show died.... until now.
Most of the things the video has problems with have answers and if not answers head canon. That's what makes the show a true masterpiece. It has reasons to survive and has only grown stronger over the years.
Its kind bizare saying the show died when there are legions of fans till this day, it was picked up even after being canceled at season 5 and had a proper ending at season 7. Alsp, saying Angel was better its just kind weird to me. To each their own but even though I like Angel, the show is a bit of mess of great and mediocre episodes mixed together
@@AnatoleVGC I didn't say the show died. I said it's grown stronger. I was implying it hasn't died as it could have. Also, the show was never cancelled after S5, the distributing rights were just bought by UPN when The WB's contract expired.
@@Buffy8Fan im not saying you did. I agree with your comment. Im just talking about the video itself
And that's different from the other videos, how? As far as I can tell, every "the day X died," video are all about shows that still have a large fan base. The closest one that seems to actually have a reduced fan base is Star Wars. But even that has a gigantic fan base. They just don't like the new stuff.
@@propheinx2250 It's misinformation if you don't know it's a joke on the youtube channel itself, as I didn't when I wrote the comment. I don't watch the channel's videos. I came upon it as a Buffy fan.
As someone who had some struggles in his twenties I actually found season 6 quite relatable and liked it. Why I would've liked if Xander and Anya stayed together I don't think it was out of the realm of possibility. They clearly shoed how much he feared being like his father. Season seven was my least favorite. Honestly the potentials get almost no development so we hardly can care about them. The actor Anthony Head actually asked if he could be the villian this season and he was allowed to be killed and shown as one of the versions of the first I think that would've seriously messed with the scoobies's head.
Now THAT would have been interesting. The potential story just annoyed me. They should have spent more time explaining how the Hellmouth was making everyone crazy. At least that would explain why the Scoobies are so OOC the whole season.
I kinda liked not so much season 4 as a whole but Spike explaining Yoko Ono and the Beatles to Adam. It's a memorable telling for me personally.
The Trio were good, they were human monsters. Also the episode with Riley returning helped to get Buffy back on track, the Scooby Gang weren't kids anymore, the Hellmouth is corrupting for adults. You have to learn to live with failure and bad choices
I'm sure someone has mentioned this, but just in case, Rupert Giles was played by Anthony Stewart Head, often known as Tony Head, and not 'Anthony Rupert Hall' as stated in the video.
I was about to say this. A little less politely, haha.
That was one of very many errors in this video!
That train wreck of a season 7 is purportedly better than season 6? 😂 Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.
I think 7 is better for sure.
I honestly really love season 6 because of the whole Dark!Willow plot
Season 6 is my favourite season
I love season 6 but I agree with Vee that Dark!Willow is a let down. I feel like she’s too quippy for the grief she’s experiencing.
@@folkloreuh - I always felt that the quippyness was because Willow couldn't stand the extreme pain she was feeling. So she allowed the darkness to swallow her, and that stifled her emotions. She couldn't feel the emotions that make us human, such as love and empathy - she was all about vengeance. And quipping to others was like a cat playing with a mouse before she eat it. Just my humble opinion! :)
It's strange that this review is saying that season 5 was intended as a series finale, when so many people from the show have said that every single season was viewed as the last season, as they were never sure if they'd get another one. And that continued right up until after Angel, season 5, when they got... oh... yeah... right... sorry.
@@tvguy61 I'd agree with that, but Buffy also forgave Angel pretty quickly after he killed Jenny Calendar. And dear god yes, Kennedy was too soon. I actually liked Kennedy, I just didn't like her and Willow becoming an item after five minutes. The potentials were sadly a mistake. They wanted a big battle at the end and needed soldiers, when, something more akin to the student body against the Mayor could have worked, just the town against the First Evil. But hindsight...
@@Christopher_Vose
Kennedy just came across as a "Queen bee" character. Her character was a horrible person that never becomes a better/redeemable person and actually likes how horrible she is. She never redeems herself and is the biggest example of what happens when you give the powers of a Slayer to the WRONG type of person. She even instigated the mutiny against Buffy and turned Buffy's friends/family against her and kicked her out of her own house in the midst of an apocalypse.
@@Christopher_Vose
They don't even use Kennedy as a foil to Buffy or Faith. Kennedy was also responsible for one of the potentials killing themselves due to her brutal militaristic attitude.
This happened twice as a girl from Kennedy's previous school also killed herself because of Kennedy's mistreatment of her.
@@Christopher_Vose
The worst thing about Kennedy is that no one calls her out on her behavior.
@@Christopher_Vose The whole town coming together to stop the first after all the years of family and friends being killed or going missing would have been great. And the only seasons that seem like they were written to be series finals to me are the odd seasons. Seasons 2,4,and 6 feel more like season finals.
Vampire Henchman Number 4 was always a character i wanted to see brought back!!!
You probably knew this, but Brian Thompson, the actor pictured as Vampire Henchman Number 4 (Luke) WAS brought back as the Judge the next season.
No, Angel was a good series. Buffy was a GREAT series. You started off with a misstep. Dying? S1/E12 was the first time. S5/E22 the second time. After that, still alive, although there was one brief drowning. Season 4 was a mess, but it was NOT a retelling of Frankenstein's Monster. You are missing the issue that happened with the "big bad" villain bowing out, requiring major rewrites.
Season 5 ended as it did because it closed a major arc. I have the tee shirt! But the final two seasons were still very good. We got a Musical! And it provided a great episode.
Also, Joyce did come back, briefly, before Dawn tore up the picture. Spike did come back in "Angel". Angel came back in Buffy S3. You strike me as a casual viewer.
@@tvguy61 Professor Walsh was the big bad originally, but the actress quit mid season.
@@tvguy61 - As well as Professor Walsh leaving, Seth Green (Oz) asked to be let out of contract as well. So they had two major characters abruptly leave the show in season 4 and had to scramble to do rewrites.
I agree that the writer of this video seemed like a casual viewer. He made multiple errors throughout the video, and didn't seem to understand any of the themes of the show. He even disliked it' humour! (I must admit, I LOVED the humour in Buffy!)
Season 6 was more about the real world, and the horrible mundane things we have to do every day are scarier and more damaging than what they had to face in high school or fantasy creatures they came up against before
My sister asked me to tape the second to last episode for her. Usually I would just go and do it,when she was on the phone. This one time though I was in the middle of something and then ended up forgetting. How many years later,I'm still hearing about it.
Does she know she can get the series on Blu-Ray or DVD now?
I think the OP meant when it first aired. I used to record Buffy episodes on VHS too. I'm pretty sure I have most if not all of season 6 somewhere in storage in a box.
Buffy is still my fav show of all time
It's really hard to say a show "died" when they, then follow it up with one of the best seaons of the show.
Season 6, although very sad and difficult to watch at times, was my favourite. I was surprised to hear him tear it apart so much.
Watching the team of potential slayers and the original gang kick Buffy out reminded me of when they did it in The Arrow. It felt so out of place, it didn't feel justified and it was frustrating to see an opinion I disagreed with being supported by the majority of the characters. I didn't like those scenes in both shows, but then again, I never liked the newer Arrow team members, so I might have been a bit biased there.
I wished they had given Spike and Buffy a chance to be together outside of sex but that bathroom scene really made me realize that the writers were done trying to make it a thing. It felt out of character even with him being evil. Him trying to kill her and her friends, yeah I can see that but the assault??? They should have done something else if they wanted to destroy relationship potential and remind us that he's evil.
Why is it out of character? It wasn't about the sex itself (as rape often isn't) but is about trying to prove to Buffy that she loves him. This is very much in line with his behaviour in Crush.
Does anyone remember people can change that spike the whole thing? He saved the world
Think about it like a BDSM relationship. How many times did those 2 have sex / make out, whatever that started with Buffy saying "eww, NO"? Spike was simply too twisted up to recognize that THIS "No" was sincere.
Season 6 is my favorite! I love the dark direction, Dark Willow is my favorite big bad, and the trio are both fun and frightening. My only issue was the Buffy/Spike relationship which I never liked or bought.
Eh I never thought of it as a real relationship, it was just an extremely toxic temporary thing.
@@minuette1752 She was cutting herself and Spike was the knife.
@@Argonnosi - Well put!
Heartily disagree. Season 6 was one of the best. It is definitely a tonal shift from earlier seasons, but that is intentional and indeed expected. The earlier seasons were metaphors for trials and problems faced by teenagers still in the process of growing up, but season 6 was all about the problems of trying to be an adult. There were deep issues that were well addressed and amazingly well acted. Buffy's funk that lasted through much of the beginning of the season is one of the best on-screen depictions of clinical depression I have ever seen, and even as she comes out of it many of her challenges were just trying to deal with the mundane realities of adult life. It is so well done. I get it that it is your opinion, but it seems you completely missed the point. Season 6 is where the show grew up.
Season 3 was my favorite and was when i felt it was at it's peak. I struggled through season 4 and 5 and was completely offput by season 6 it was middlingly better for 7 but like you stated i think it should have ended with season 5.....so please do give us your take on it's finale.
Season 6 is not the worst season and virtually no one thinks it is -- Season 7 exists, so it can't possibly be.
Season 6 has good plots and good episodes, but yes, Season 5 would have been a better ending.
Season 6 is definitely the worst for me. I find it unwatchable.
I think Chosen is a better ending, she changes the paradigm she was forced to suffer under the past 7 seasons rather than committing su*cide so she doesn’t have to deal with the hard choices life throws our way anymore.
@@folkloreuh I think the series finale only cements her character as the worst developed in the whole series. She spend the entire show complaining about being the Slayer. So, the show ends with her giving up her responsibilities as the Slayer to the Potentials? Meh.
@@x-man9473 I mean you can be wrong, that’s fine. Slayer = adult responsibility. As a kid she often tries to shirk it but she grows to embrace it more and more. What becomes the problem is being the only one & being cut off from others. In the finale she shares the power & connects with the world she had become isolated from due to needing to protect herself against losses as well resentment for the burden she bared alone.
Man... I think I blocked out the later seasons from my mind.... Yeah, Season 5 SHOULD have been the end. In short.... Buffy should have stayed dead.
It's sad too. I remember really liking the show before Season 6. And... perhaps regrettably, it had a lot of influence on me. And my few attempts to write anything....
I planned on putting Buffy on my Mount Rushmore of favorite tv shows until those last 2 terrible seasons.
I agree. The show felt weird in season 6. I had a hard time watching after season 4.
Personally i feel that it ended after Spike and Buffy relationship ended. But if anyone who hasn't read the Dark Horse cannon, its awesome. They picked off where season 7 left off. Plus Spike and Buffy are a couple!
Yeah, I think Buffy telling Spike that she loved him, in the finale, before he sacrifices himself, even though he knows it’s not yet real love, because Buffy got with him in her grief and anger(and she was horny by then).
I mean they beat the hell out of one another, when they have sex for the first time.
Sorry, I also don’t agree with Vee about there being no stakes. There was stakes in a majority of episodes, but seriously…
The episode when Buffy is invisible, still cracks me up.
I've looked into the direction the comics go, and I'm glad the shows ended when they did.
@CorbCorbin LOL, yeah, Buffy was truly messed up in season 6. However, ironically, Spike was the one person who saw it. But moreso, a empathetic ear for Buffy. When they finally "did it" in the old house. The metaphor for the building falling down was infact Buffys walks. Spike was the one to do it. She was becoming a shell but, in a way, helped her. In season 9, Buffy admitted she fell in love with Spike in season 6. And it's reflective in the way she was with him and vice versa. I found their relationship more authentic than her and Angel. But I couldn’t stand the rape scene. That was truly character assassination by Whedon. One could argue that was the beginning of the end of the show.
Thank god for Dark Horse.
@Axetwin Season 7-11 were great. Season 12 was kind of lacklustre.
@@HellfireClub242 Reading that Xander and Dawn hook up, and Angel goes evil AGAIN and kills Giles. Gunn gets turned into a vampire and Connor has to kill him. This gets a big yawn from me because it's taking the worst of what Whedon does with both shows and keeps doing it.
Every season has its flaws, and I respect that every fan has seasons they prefer. But to write off Seasons 4-7 unequivocally is so narrow-minded. Buffy's death in Season 5 is far from "breezed past." It literally takes a whole season for to get over it. Most of your criticism of Season 6 is just "It's different than the high school seasons." Shows can and should change. That's the show's greatest strength. In another world, Buffy would have stayed in high school for 7 years, with the same characters, fighting the same villains, and having the same problems. There are hundreds of shows like that - go put on a procedural or an old sitcom. If that's what you want, put on one of those. But don't box a TV show into the corner because you want it to unchanging. Truly one of the worst takes I've ever heard about this show.
So, after listening to this I remember some of the last few seasons and....what I don't understand is why they didn't bring in the Principle/Son of the Slayer character to be a main part of Season 6. That story would have had soooo much more symbolic meaning following the death and resurrection of Buffy and the departure of Giles...it would have made soo much sense for that Character to play a pivitol role, especially given Spike's behavior in 6 compared to 7. What a missed oppurtunity.
In the final seasons there are lots of amazing memorable scenes in otherwise dodgy forgettable episodes. There are too many episodes set mostly in Buffy's house, including one where they cannot leave the house. It gets rather repetitive, especially for binge watching.
Budget limitations probably.
9:25 - I just recently watched TheLexiCrowd's reaction to Buffy's series finale, which she released yesterday, so it is neat to see her referenced here.
I remember watching her reaction to ‘Seeing Red’ on Patreon and her commentary for it was literally just “No”. Which honestly was accurate for a first-time viewing of that episode.
"Party in my eye socket!"
- Zander's last line i think.
Xander's last line is a joke about all the shops that were destroyed.
while I can get behind many of these points, S6 never had a "big bad". Not even Spike going to his absolute worst for a single episode. Not Dark Willow. Not even Warren. S6 is about dealing with death, loss, the pains of growing up. The gang was not ready to live without Buffy. Spike was not ready to be full on good. The Trio were nerds who were unable to let the highschool days pass and their cosplaying turned out super wrong because they were lead by the pervert mess called Warren. Willow basically became cool through "drug" abuse from S4 and let magic consume her because it was a way to leave her nerdy side. She falls down and then goes on a complete rampage without a beloved person to help and contain her. Which turns out to be Xander in the end after Giles let her basically absorb a counterspell to her own powers
The big bad is real life! I love this season and all it stands for.
Accusing Anya of sleeping with Spike only to hurt Xander is the wrong take and kind of a gross perspective to have? Didn't hear anything about Spike doing anything wrong there, or Xander going way too far in his verbal assault on her. Hmmm I wonder why that could be... 🙄
Some fans feel that the series should have ended with Buffy's death in season 5.
I am of a different opinion about season six, it is one of my personal favorites. For me it is a representation of when you hit rock bottom, or grave, there is only pull yourself up and just try. It's ok not to be ok and then it is great to be ok. Also You can't train a person to be better, they have to choose it. I love season six.
You can't make the claim that Buffy "died." At its heart, as Joss Whedon stated, was a coming of age story and meant to reflect the issues we face with aging and various growing pains. I didn't much care for seasons 4 or 5, but I thought BVS made a return to form with season 6 as stakes were raised as each member was dealing with maturity and the pitfalls that come along with it. Season 7 was like the now mature BVS team imparting their knowledge on a new generation of slayers so they don't make the same mistakes they did. No, Buffy never died, and despite all of the backstage turmoil, I hold out that we get to see a reunion season/movie to see where the characters wound up, like I thought it would be cool if Xander would assist Giles and reforming The Watchers Council as Buffy and Dawn run an academy training the newly empowered slayers with Willow as the "headmaster" or maybe principal of a new Sunnydale High.
Got a lot to unpick from this vid, but one I haven't seen others mention is about the Initiative. I think its mentioned that it kind of comes out of nowhere and I would disagree. Back on S2 its shown that there's a conspiracy element in how the authorities approach the supernatural when Snyder and a detective agree to cover up magical events surrounding the Sadie Hawkins dance with the "usual story, drugs" and actual acknowledgement of a hellmouth. This is expanded obviously with the mayor so if stands to reason that if local authorities know about it, the larger government sure do and will try to weponise it. Although it is perhaps a bit heavyhanded when it does appear.
I can't think of any significant episodes of season 7, aside from the last one. Which to be fair, is a cathartic episode to end on.
Conversations With Dead People
I agree with Argonnosi. 'Conversations With Dead People' is a real gem.
Came here to say Convos.
Oh, also the one with Anya's demonic origin story / ending. ("Selfless," i think?)
season 6 is actually great, same with season 7. Who cares what the majority thinks, season 6 was wonderfully dark and different and the first evil and season 7's finale was badass.
garbage opinion of garbage show
Glory as a villain it's mixed baggage
Glory was one of those villains who could have been brought back if she hadn't disappeared.
It was a shame that Giles killed Ben at the end.
I never got past season 4 but I'm currently searching for the dvds. Favorite episode is Becoming 1 and 2.
I love love love this series, and world, even despite more recent revelations about the creator…. Great video V!
Vee:*finally uploads a Buffy vid*
*Immediately clicks on it*
I agree with Spike. That's a deal-breaker for me. That's not entertainment.
Would love more buffy/Angel videos Vee!
I would too. I recently finished Buffy and have not finished Angel so it would be nice to watch fresh videos and have current conversation about it instead of talking in a thread 10 years old lol.
@@anikejulien7273 agreed, currently on an Angel rewatch myself, other than season 4 it’s got to be up there with one of my favourite shows
You might was to try the channel "The Passion of the Nerd". He creates extraordinarily well thought-out and insightful videos about both Buffy and Angel. It's really worth checking out.
This feels like it was made by someone who binged the show one time in order to make a youtube video about it. Lots of factual errors and a very surface-level "was also playing with my phone at the same time I was watching" sort of read on season 6 and the characters.
Restless was the one part of season 4 that fans remember fondly??? Come on, season 4 has some of the best and funniest episodes in the whole show... Pangs, Something Blue, Hush, A New Man, Who Are You?
the best opening music ever...I always felt after buffy sacrificed herself for dawn and glory being well..gone she should have turned back into the energy she was and then no more daswn as a character..because she was no longer in danger she could be her real self...I mean what will happen when she dies she is just energy made flesh
@sidd_not_vicious2609
Dawn could have became a Slayer. Carrying on the legacy of her sister and becoming the protector of Sunnydale alongside Spike. Spike eventually gets his soul back due to the powers that be wanting him to become their new champion and a protector/guardian to the new young Slayer Dawn.
This could have been explored in a Spike spin-off.
Im not agree at all. Season 4 was weak but still good with some of the greatest episodes on television and season 5 is widely seen as one of the greatest seasons of all TV, it’s brutal, lovely and wonderful with incredible writing, character developpement and deepth and again the single best episode representation of death on television "The Body" and season 6 is controversial but people seem to love it more today than when it was airing because it speak to them and to me too. Season 6 is sad yes but not bad lol and the dark willow storyline is still on point. Season 7 is on the same level than season 4 but just like a said season 4 worth watching for plenty of stuff. And if Buffy only worked for 3 seasons (2 if you dion’t count season 1) Buffy The Vampire Slayer wouldn’t be widely seen as one of the greatest series of all time, even now .
Awesome video - and FYI Giles is played by Anthony Stewart Head, sorry to be that guy!! Seriously amazing video and an easy fix🙏🏻✌🏻🧛🏻
Seriously? Imo Buffy never died. It has fans to this day and students still write essays about it. Season 4 had a superb selection of top notch stories in it. Man, did you even watch this show properly? lol
I don't think he did. He made multiple mistake in the video (wrong names, wrong facts, incorrect statements about the show, etc.). If he did actually watch it, it doesn't seem like he really paid attention.
@@deborahblackvideoediting8697 Agreed.
It jump the shark after The Devil makes them sing.
Season six was perfection
Have you watched the Buffy motion comic? I think you would enjoy it.
Sorry Vee I don't agree with much of this and you're wrong about the misconceptions of death in thr show. They state why Joyce couldn't be revived in the episode after the body.
I have to look up where it was but one episode hints that it was not Dawn's fault but her presence might have to do with Joyce's aneurysm. Hope I just deeply misunderstood because that would be hyper messed up
@@FinngrinderThere was nothing mystical about Joyce's death.
‘Anthony Rupert Hall’ is a genius joke 🤌🏻🤌🏻
I don’t think anything was worse than Season 4. Season 6 with Willow’s arc was an incredible 4 season payoff.
[ Totally agree that Buffy should stay dead ] Dawn should have pick up the mentor of being the slayer ( that might keep the show on the air a bit longer ) as for Willow going to the darkside [ Honestly ] that angle should've been a lot better than her lover died ( the way how she died they might well say that she been shot by Castor Troy from Face/Off. )
I actually quite enjoyed season 4. Does it seem a bit messy at times? Yes. However, I feel like that's how life feels once you've graduated high school and you enter college. You're more on your own, trying to sort out your life, and things change. People change. We see this in the way the friend group has a major falling out over the stupidest stuff. And you can argue Spike played a hand, but they were all having issues long before he interfered. We literally see Willow and Oz break up, and then Willow ends up with Tara. Giles doesn't know where he quite fits in the group no longer being a Watcher, but still being their mentor of sorts. However, he doesn't feel as needed. Xander is trying to figure out his life because he doesn't go to college. I think season 4 sums up how awkward it is once you've reached the age people consider to be adulthood.
Also, I'm pretty certain season 5 wasn't intended to be the finale. The WB cancelled the show, so they killed Buffy off, only for it to be picked up by UPN. When I first watched the show, season 6 was actually my favorite of the series. It was dark and we had some fantastic episodes along with Evil Willow. While I think season 7 had some decent stand alone episodes, I personally consider it the worst season of the series with the exception of the finale. That's also how I felt about Charmed season 8. The final season is terrible, but the finale is good. I honestly can't name many shows that have a really good final season.
During rewatches, I think I like season 2 a lot more because it's quite dark, as well. And as much as I love Angelus, I don't think that level of evil is ever matched in any additional Angelus arcs. And as much as I love Buffy, I do have to agree that there are times when I ended up loving Angel more because it felt more grown up.
Decline?
We are two very different people.
I'll never forget back in 2015 when I discovered that the my most valuable CD in my collection was the original release of the musical episode "Once More With Feeling" soundtrack. Buffy out there still appreciating in value!
Buffy Should’ve Stayed Dead
I don’t think the show died after season 5 but you do bring up good points so I’m interested in your view on the finale (which was the weakest point for me).
Buffy still lives on today. Look at how many people still react and make video essays about. Honestly I like the second half of Buffy better than most of the first half. Season 4 long term arc was weird but episodically… one of the best but def not in my top 3 or anything. 5 is def one of the highest rated seasons because of the long term arc. Dawn is not so bad when you really pay attention. She is one of the most realistic characters as a little sister who finds out she’s “adopted” but worse. Btw Tara was in a magic induced catatonia for like 3 episodes if that. 6 is one of the most controversial seasons but thats people who aren’t paying enough attention. There is a reason the main villains are just a bunch of nerds (the original incels on cable that are actually called out for the wrong they do). Giles is gone, she’s depressed, Willow is getting high on the magic after bringing Buffy back and getting very powerful. Buffy came back because she was a supernatural death but she did not come back wo HUGE consequences like her depression from being in heaven and Willows addiction plus they brought back a demon hitchhiker that terrorized the scoobies and almost killed Buffy again. As controversial as it was especially back then when most people watching were high schoolers, now with Buffy lovers grown, it’s more understood and finally getting the love it deserves. Gen z also seems to be more aware of mental illness problems and seems to relate to the show as well even at younger ages. Anya was looking for comfort, she never wanted to physically or emotionally hurt him but just wanted closure and was unaware because human emotions sometimes confuse her. While I agree it did feel like a set back at first, they really show why she needed to go through that in order to grow into a person who understands her purpose. I agree they went TOO far w Spike but he also did manage to come back from it by getting his soul even if he didn’t know what he was getting into. Tara should have never died though!!!! Ugh awful lol huge mistake but I do love dark Willow so ugh idk. Willow always had it in her and they sprinkled it in as early as season 2. Yes it stained her character. Everyone’s character this season was stained. Its the whole (well not whole) point. As we grow up…. We do awful things sometimes we can’t take back and we have to learn to keep growing and get past it. S6 is better than 7 but still good.
Sorry I wrote this out so quickly, probably so many spelling mistakes and grammar mistakes but I gotta go to bed. Anyone who didn’t like it in highscool but hasn’t seen it since should rewatch through adult lenses and see how they feel. It’s a beautiful story drenched in darkness and depth if you pay attention. Give it a chance, If you want ❤
Faith may have been rushed into s7 but glad she was. I love her. She’s so… perfect. I wish her and Willow would have kiss and made up rather than Kennedy (worst character) but then again wasn’t crazy about Willow moving on so quickly either.
Ok ok I’m going. Thanks for the video. Any Buffy video is better than none cause at least it’s keeping the memory alive 😊🫶
I really like Season 6 but went into this video with an open mind. Some bits of it do suck, Giles leaving, the two relationships ending, Spike's "moment" and Buffy's character did suffer. But I liked Dark Willow and (unpopular opinion) I liked the 3 nerds. They felt like the perfect villains to show Buffy was not running at 100% any more. Willow's turn was a genuine "Oh shit" moment and the drug parallels felt earned. My opinion is Season 7 was the worst as they seemed to lose all the soul of the previous 6. It was nowhere near as funny, the characters have nothing interesting to say beyond "The First is Coming" or "From Beneath You It Devours". And then there were all the new annoying Potentials too. No, 6 was far better than 7 in my opinion.
You've ever gonna do an episode on Angel
I love season 6 idk
The entire series is definitely “must watch tv”. But it also definitely had its “issues”. For me, the show was not able to maintain the perfection that it achieved with S3. Which is an impossible thing to ask! Seasons 4-7 had their moments; more good than bad. And a few of those episodes were some its greatest. But none of those “entire” seasons come close to what was reached with S3.
fwiw: I would think one’s opinion of the show is heavily influenced by when/how they watched it. To have watched it when they originally aired (along with “Angel”) brought a much different experience than what someone who could “binge watch” the entire series would create. I’ve rewatched the entire series (of each) multiple times since they first aired. And each time it feels “off” to how I “remember” it. It just isn’t the same show. So in a way, it’s not entirely fair to judge each season based off of today’s watching preferences without discussing that aspect.
i wish Johnathan would've lived instead of Andrew
To me, season six is the best season. Also, season five’s finale was to act as a series finale, because The WB wasn’t going to renew. It was then picked up by UPN, which we all know merged with The WB to become The CW.
There's a great interview with James Marsters on The Friendship Onion podcast. That was a great show, I miss Merry and Pippen lol
Gosh dang it! I'm still in season three, I want to watch this but I'm afraid of spoilers 😅
Lol, definitely full of spoilers! Good choice not to watch this video until after you're finished. If you're looking for more in-depth videos about Buffy, you might want to check out the channel 'The Passion of the Nerd'. His videos go into much more depth and are far more insightful. (I'm not affiliated with him, I just love his videos!)
FWP. You’ll live.
I think this is like the show slider inside of the rating for season six of Buffy would like to show sliders in, and he came to his lighters again
Can you cover the new audio book that just came out that brings back the cast
Media Literacy Challenge (difficulty impossible)
Damn,it’s sad what season 5 did to what could have been a short lived but still good show.
Lots of valid points in this video, though I don't 100% agree with everything. I like listening to different points of view. I do agree that the first 3 seasons were the prime years of the show, but I also love seasons 4 and 6, for different reasons. This show has something for everyone, and everything for someone. And for me at least, Angel will always be part of Buffy, I can't watch Buffy seasons 4-7 without also watching Angel, as I did when they first came out on TV. It's all part of the same experience for me.
Vee, it's time to come back. Time to drop the goody two shoes act. Time for the Social Injustice Warrior, to rise again.
I loved all the seasons. I do not know what you are complaining about, Veeinfuso/
Pretty hard disagree tho...😅
Forgot how hot Sarah Michelle Gellar was back then.
the lost slayer and the gate keeper trilogy books are worth a read if you've not read
Actually S6 is one on my favourites...
Agree it could have ended with Season 5, but Season 6 I think is misunderstood, the bad guy is Life itself, remember, Buffy was dead and brought back to Life without Her permission.....
Nah I’m not having it. I love all buffy!
Eh Warren was pure evil in my eyes. Human evil is the worst.
11:30 Who the hell is "Anthony Rupert Hall"?? Hard to take you seriously, especially when speaking on what fans thought at the time, when you so completely mangle one of the main actor's names so badly...
Season 6 is my favorite season and imo the BEST!!! All of them changed drastically this season. I loved all of it. It’s my go to season. Tabula Rasa ❤