a couple observations--somewhat humorous. 1. The fact that this video went from an almost throw-away comment on Thursday's show to a full video on Monday, and 2. at the end, Ollie ripped out a dorky quote from a dorky movie, thus showing his dork credentials. ;-)
As a professional mechanic since 1984 Im fully aware of what the spoke protector does and doesn't do. Yes those stupid rings on high end wheels don't work very well. The most common cause of the overshift is not a poorly adjusted derailleur. It is the derailleur hanger getting bent that is equipped on the majority of bikes sold (high end road bikes are a niche market) those hangers bend very easily and are usually not true by the time the bike is in for a tune up a year later and many of the bikes I work will have evidence of an overshift probably half because it's pretty common. Those 3 and 4 pronged spoke protector do work on alot of normal small and large flange hubs just replace it with a new cassette. Some of those failures can be quite catastrophic to the parts and sometimes the body. But usually goes unnoticed until one of the drive side spokes breaks and then I end up replacing all of that side of the flange by removing them one at at time unthreading ,replace and get it up to proper tension onto the next in a staggered rotation. Then after all are replaced wheel truing begins. This process takes as long as a whole wheel build with all new spokes ...many just buy a new wheel. Some just replace the one broken spoke and have the wheel trued (and some of the time I break some more any way truing the wheel) and are back with a new broken spoke later. Too bad they don't make real nice looking ones that actually work for high end wheels...but then again that's a niche market with expensive and high profit margins parts . Cha...Ching ! Oh forgot chash registers don't make that sound anymore. So let's stop calling them dork disks it's insulting and unprofessional. And they do serve a majority of costumers well. Those bikes subject to alot of random stuff and not noticed until the inevitable overshift. Any mechanic that says that it's all about being properly adjusted is full of ....
I seriously doubt that most mass market bike riders follow this channel or watch such videos, so they're dorky within the confines of higher-end bikes and the people who ride them, like kick stands and schrader valves. Of course if you ride a nice bike but don't know the first thing about maintaining it, it might be a good idea to keep the dork disk.
so my question is I think my first road bike broke because I over shifted and I broke my derailer specifically because I didn’t have the plastic guard. This was a lightbulb moment just now. Currently I have a specialized allez… if I over shift, you guys are telling me that this is a legit safety feature? If anyone understands my two questions, please let me know. I have been on a bicycle for 2+ years as a mode of transportation. if it’s a dork dish that prevents me from breaking my bicycle im all for it
@@kovie9162 OK never mind I don’t have that plastic disc however I have never been able to over shift. also my rear wheel just got replaced so it may have been taken off, but if it doesn’t actually serve any purpose then that’s OK too
It's removed from all of my bikes but I could see how it may have helped when I crashed off road and ever so slightly bent the derailleur hanger. When I tried to get into the biggest cog, the chain went behind it and jammed hard. Damaged a spoke that broke shortly thereafter.
I had such a disc on a new bike and it was immediately spotted by the 'cool' cyclists. I politely asked these knowledgeable oh so cool people how to remove it. They did not have a clue.
I just got a new bike (your super-cheap beginner's bike from a few weeks ago that you looked down your noses at but a step up for me) and it has a dork disk. Figured I'll tear it off soon when I'm completely sure I have it all dialed in. It's about the same size as the cassette and barely noticeable. I actually put a dork disk on my 1977 Trek two years ago. Found a vintage aluminum one that's a bit smaller than my freewheel so you can't really see it. I broke a spoke and had to dnf a triathlon when it got up in there. It happened a few times since and the dork disk protected the spokes. I know I'm a total loser and don't know how to ride a bike if that happens, but stuff happens with friction shifters and 45 year old parts. Got it dialed in now and have put a few thousand miles on it the past couple years without losing the chain up there.
I've just used the "bodge" dork-disk removal method for all of my bikes; snipping it off with an old pair of gardening shears takes about the same amount of time it usually takes me to locate my chain whip and whatever that cassette-nut thing is called. I'm actually dumbfounded that even pretty nice bikes come equipped with dork disks when you buy them. Is it a law or something, or should I just stop buying bikes at Walmart?
For those who want to take this disc off, or more importantly want to be able to remove your cassette and clean it regularly and don't have a chain whip, might I suggest you make your own rather than spend good money on one? Thanks to the friendly folks here at GCN, you can learn to make your own. I think it cost me about $4 to make mine. Here's the link to the GCN video: ruclips.net/video/HSeWpO2Zc0Y/видео.html
Don't take them off just because you don't want to look like a dork. Wait until you aren't a dork. A dork will never bother to check their derailleur alignment after they crash on or fall onto their drive side. A bent derailleur hanger can result in a broken hanger and/or rear derailleur.
Hi Ollie, I do agree with you about the Dork disc. What if we made a huge dork disk that covered the entire spokes, and another for the other side behind the brake rotor, we would then have a full aero disc wheel !! Solves 2 problems at the same time 😂
Let be realistic, no ones is going to spend $100+ on park tools to remove the disk. Breaking it off IS the correct way, lets not over complicate things.
Nope: Centrifugal force flings -$#!t- contaminants out and away, not across (objects in motion stay in motion: there's no motion across the wheel). It's there to protect the spokes from people who neglect their derailleur adjustment.
@@JonathanMallett Oh I get you, when you're hitting it with the hose... Ya I could see how you'd come to that conclusion, but honestly, the bearings are more sensitive than the brake disk in that context and the DD doesn't do anything to protect the bearings (for this to be the case there would have to be another disk between the hub and the frame)
In the 45 or so years that I've been riding road bikes my chain has fallen onto the spokes exactly zero times. I adjust the limit screws and check for hanger and driveline alignment, so I'm good. Then again, it's a way to make people think you have disc brakes, from a distance...
Some wheels (like DTSwiss) have hubs which you can just pull from the wheel with cassette on. No need to remove cassette. Remove dork disc and put the whole freehub back on. No tools required.
@@stevek8829 It is not wheel manufacturer's job to put dork disc. They sell wheel with freehub but without cassette. I have two Canyons and they assembled bike using that plastic thing. I believe it is common for most bike brands when assembling.
1:50 10 o'clock & 2 o'clock with your tools Ollie. 10 o'clock & 2 o'clock FFS. The reason they are on bikes is so that the factory assemblers can jam through the gears in no time flat without scratching the spokes with low gear overruns, and then leave it on (for the 30 sec time saving it takes to remove) and sell it as a benefit to retailers, who sell it to customers. On kids bikes, they're justified, as kids just chuck their bikes driveside down and bend the derailleur so that it deposits the chain in the spokes, no matter how carefully it's adjusted. Even MTBs without a clutch derailleur can benefit from them.
I have tried the bodge method once and never will again. I almost cut my hand open with the pointy plastic. So much cleaner with the cassette removed. I also like to keep them in a nice neat pile in my storage cabinet to never be used again.
if you happen to have a dt swiss rear wheel you just need to pull up the entire cassette without dismounting from the hub, then remove that dork disc 😎 (I'm not sponsored)
Do love Oli quoting Obi Wan almost word for word confirming Dork Status. Awww Sh1t just realised I knew that confirming I'm also a Dork. 🤦♂️ Atl east I do the manly thing and hack off my Dork disk using my teeth if necessary within minutes of getting a new bike. (A new bike needs to taste blood early in its new life after all)
"You don't need a dork disk if your bike is set up properly is a little bit like saying, "We don't need traffic signals because drivers should know the rules of the road."
Except that drivers have no control over other drivers but people who know bikes do have control over their own bikes, and he was speaking to the latter, not someone who's riding a Walmart special.
The analogy is a comparison of "shoulds" not drivers and riders. We all "should" know the rules of the road, not just good drivers. We all should not need a "dork disk." Both the traffic signals and dork disk overcome potential problems. A lack of them invites problems. All that's going on with the dork disk discussion is one-upmanship. Nothing more.
I believe the dork disk was initially put there at the request of legal representatives, who wanted to reduce liability in the case of a lawsuit where one alleges that the bike is inherently dangerous because if the derailleur gets caught in the spokes, it can cause loss of control. We know, of course, if this happens it will just slow the bike down. Today, it may have a second use: protecting the disk brake rotor from overspray when degreasing and washing the bike while it is being sprayed. Can you relocate the dork disk on the other side, closer to the disk?
I recently acquired new old stock 27" wheels for my road bike and was debating taking the spoke guard off. Even though I fully trust my setup of the upper and lower limits the deraeiouilllerr, I decided to just keep it on as I don't want to risk my spokes getting damaged if something bad happens. Also it has been great for reducing the amount of lube being flicked on the spokes and hub. The bike would look slightly more appealing without the guard, but for the moment it shall stay.
I concur with you. Keep it on but only provided it's a decent quality dork disc, that doesn't rattle or rub your derailleur or chain. Sometimes you luck out and get a dork disc with a tight fit that looks decent. Most dork discs are low quality, rattle, rub the chain or derailleur & UV degrade quickly. More people would keep them on if they actually FIT well & were made of quality UV resistant nearly invisible plastic that was only just as wide a diameter as necessary so as it looks 'austhetically pleasing'. A 'quality dork disc' is a definate 'project' to design if you have access to a 3D printer!
@@ministryoftruth8588 Yeah, this one fits really well and looks good quality. I do have one on a 90's Specialized Hardrock which was yellow from UV damage and was rattling about, so I have taken it off.
I bent my hanger powering up a short hill on a 400k ride. At 300 km I shifted my rear derailleur into my rear wheel which ended my ride (at 1am) and did almost $300 worth of damage. New Campy Chorus rear derailleur and a rebuilt wheel. That's why the dork disk is there. I will never remove one again.
I replaced my spoke guard (aka dork disc) and now my cassette rubs against it and the turning of the rear wheels makes the cassette turn and also the chain moves. Did I install something wrong? Please help
I don't know WTH Ollie is talking about ... 'Dork Discs' from european racing bikes of the 1930s-50s, with Campagnolo Cambio Corsa or Paris-Roubaix or Super Champion Osgear Derailleurs looked PROPER COOL!
Thus far, I've destroyed two derailleurs, two derailleur hangers, one new gp5000 tire, and one wheel because i dont use the dork disc. But it has been many years since i had a problem because i always straighten my hanger and adjust my derailleur myself. NEVER TRUST LOCAL BIKE SHOPS! You're a dork if you let them touch your bike... That's just my experience. 😤 It's like putting your life in the hands of a someone still working their way through freshmen year of college. I would only trust an MD with my life. And even then i wouldn't blindly trust that MD. I would want to know and understand exactly what it is that he or she wants to do and why! At least with car mechanics, they've had several years of specialized education. But with the local bike shop they just learn on the job.. hardly even have an apprenticeship.
The dork is the guy sitting at the roadside with his chain wedged between his gears and spokes -- maybe with damaged spokes to boot! Hit some bumps, and the derailer adjustment doesn't matter. Dork.
If you couldn't figure out how to remove the dork disc without watching this video first, you probably are not that good at keeping your derailleur adjusted and should keep the disc in place.
No one's born knowing how to do most things. Particularly mechanical things like this. No need to have a snobby attitude. Spreading education and knowledge is a good thing; if you feel threatened by that, then maybe you need to address your own insecurities rather than project them onto others.
Exactly! Anyone with a multitool has already figured this out: anyone who hasn't already probably hasn't figured out derailleur adjustment and is going to get a chain in there sooner than later!
If one can't figure out how to remove it, then they probably don't understand how it works and when it would actually help them; hence they should leave it attached.
I love the idea of a Dura-Ace wheel set coming with dork discs. Shimano should absolutely consider running an ad for Dura-Ace wheels that is normal in every way save for the inclusion of dork discs for April Fools.
Keep it in place until it breaks (you never know when someone bends your derailleur at a coffee stop or bike lock up at work without your knowledge, after which you shift into low, and !crunch!): once it's broken it's extremely easy to remove and not doing any good anyways! Makes it an easy decision!
What other maintenance videos would you like to see Ollie & Alex make?
How to install a dork disc.
How to properly polish or clean your helmet
@@cappaculla I believe polishing one’s “helmet” and cleaning it are two very different things… 🤣
@@danielakerman8241 You mean like taking a vigorous shower as apposed to a normal shower?
Bedding new disc brake pads.
Ollie has this capacity of making even most useless HowTo videos fun and entertaining.
A very even handed handling of a complex and controversial subject - well done!😁
I would like to see the UCI introduce them as a required standard, just like low socks.
😂🤣
You are opening a new market for companies like absoluteblack and ceramicspeed: oversize carbon aero dork discs
@@feedbackzaloop so disc wheels?
🤣
@@nk-dw2hm better: a disc fairing for a price of disc wheel
a couple observations--somewhat humorous. 1. The fact that this video went from an almost throw-away comment on Thursday's show to a full video on Monday, and 2. at the end, Ollie ripped out a dorky quote from a dorky movie, thus showing his dork credentials. ;-)
We all know he's a top level dork!
A Dorkus Mallorkus Grande.
Are aero disc wheels the final evolution of the dork disk?
I can't imagine than a steel chain going into carbon fiber is better than a chain going into spokes...
Just bought a used bike with a dork disc that had been broken off and subsequently zip-tied back on. Would it be sacrilegious to remove at this point?
As a professional mechanic since 1984 Im fully aware of what the spoke protector does and doesn't do. Yes those stupid rings on high end wheels don't work very well. The most common cause of the overshift is not a poorly adjusted derailleur. It is the derailleur hanger getting bent that is equipped on the majority of bikes sold (high end road bikes are a niche market) those hangers bend very easily and are usually not true by the time the bike is in for a tune up a year later and many of the bikes I work will have evidence of an overshift probably half because it's pretty common. Those 3 and 4 pronged spoke protector do work on alot of normal small and large flange hubs just replace it with a new cassette. Some of those failures can be quite catastrophic to the parts and sometimes the body. But usually goes unnoticed until one of the drive side spokes breaks and then I end up replacing all of that side of the flange by removing them one at at time unthreading ,replace and get it up to proper tension onto the next in a staggered rotation. Then after all are replaced wheel truing begins. This process takes as long as a whole wheel build with all new spokes ...many just buy a new wheel. Some just replace the one broken spoke and have the wheel trued (and some of the time I break some more any way truing the wheel) and are back with a new broken spoke later. Too bad they don't make real nice looking ones that actually work for high end wheels...but then again that's a niche market with expensive and high profit margins parts . Cha...Ching ! Oh forgot chash registers don't make that sound anymore. So let's stop calling them dork disks it's insulting and unprofessional. And they do serve a majority of costumers well. Those bikes subject to alot of random stuff and not noticed until the inevitable overshift. Any mechanic that says that it's all about being properly adjusted is full of ....
I seriously doubt that most mass market bike riders follow this channel or watch such videos, so they're dorky within the confines of higher-end bikes and the people who ride them, like kick stands and schrader valves. Of course if you ride a nice bike but don't know the first thing about maintaining it, it might be a good idea to keep the dork disk.
so my question is I think my first road bike broke because I over shifted and I broke my derailer specifically because I didn’t have the plastic guard. This was a lightbulb moment just now. Currently I have a specialized allez… if I over shift, you guys are telling me that this is a legit safety feature? If anyone understands my two questions, please let me know. I have been on a bicycle for 2+ years as a mode of transportation. if it’s a dork dish that prevents me from breaking my bicycle im all for it
@@kovie9162 OK never mind I don’t have that plastic disc however I have never been able to over shift. also my rear wheel just got replaced so it may have been taken off, but if it doesn’t actually serve any purpose then that’s OK too
It's removed from all of my bikes but I could see how it may have helped when I crashed off road and ever so slightly bent the derailleur hanger. When I tried to get into the biggest cog, the chain went behind it and jammed hard. Damaged a spoke that broke shortly thereafter.
The key is to only crash on the left side. Makes all the difference.
I leave it on for a few years until it starts turning yellow, then it is much easier to snap it into small pieces for removal.
To be honest I've always just snapped them off like a gorilla.
That's my approach too. Hideous things. That's dork discs, not gorillas.
I kept mine on as long as bearable, just to troll the overly serious enthusiast at my local club.
^^👌🏼😍
Cycling culture is so childish and toxic... I keep my dork disc on just out of spite as well.
Love this!
And this is why Ollie loves time trailing........ undercover dork, 700c carbon dork disk 🤪 love you 😁
Oh, my, goodness. The Obi Wan Kenobi quote was absolutely priceless! And also pretty spot on.
You mean the How Dorky One Can You Be quote.
I had such a disc on a new bike and it was immediately spotted by the 'cool' cyclists. I politely asked these knowledgeable oh so cool people how to remove it. They did not have a clue.
Now you can show them this video!
On a serious note as we head into darker nights,how about effective lighting for riding in the dark i.e. do`s and don`ts what works and what doesnt?
This
There are plenty of videos on both GCN and GCN tech on this, Just search GCN night riding
Hi Andi - you can find that one here! ruclips.net/video/zxn5OnmXfwA/видео.html
Would be good if you could run a test to determine if there is any aerodynamic advantage to using such a disk. Perhaps a bike should have 4 of these.
Best tech-video ever 🤣🤣🤣
I just got a new bike (your super-cheap beginner's bike from a few weeks ago that you looked down your noses at but a step up for me) and it has a dork disk. Figured I'll tear it off soon when I'm completely sure I have it all dialed in. It's about the same size as the cassette and barely noticeable.
I actually put a dork disk on my 1977 Trek two years ago. Found a vintage aluminum one that's a bit smaller than my freewheel so you can't really see it. I broke a spoke and had to dnf a triathlon when it got up in there. It happened a few times since and the dork disk protected the spokes. I know I'm a total loser and don't know how to ride a bike if that happens, but stuff happens with friction shifters and 45 year old parts. Got it dialed in now and have put a few thousand miles on it the past couple years without losing the chain up there.
One of Ollie’s best ever!
I've just used the "bodge" dork-disk removal method for all of my bikes; snipping it off with an old pair of gardening shears takes about the same amount of time it usually takes me to locate my chain whip and whatever that cassette-nut thing is called.
I'm actually dumbfounded that even pretty nice bikes come equipped with dork disks when you buy them. Is it a law or something, or should I just stop buying bikes at Walmart?
I’ve just taken them off with shears in the past. Quick and easy. Then straight in the recycling bin!
LOL serious good fun.....
For those who want to take this disc off, or more importantly want to be able to remove your cassette and clean it regularly and don't have a chain whip, might I suggest you make your own rather than spend good money on one? Thanks to the friendly folks here at GCN, you can learn to make your own. I think it cost me about $4 to make mine. Here's the link to the GCN video: ruclips.net/video/HSeWpO2Zc0Y/видео.html
That one's a throwback!
The Force is strong in this one
but how do you remove a dork from a bike?
Is it wrong of me to think..."that's all well and good hacking it off, but where can I buy a replacement? " 😂
🤣
Love the Star Wars reference
"They'll come after you in World of Warcraft..."🤣
As a kid this was called the nerd ring. I like dork disc better. I always used the hack it off method.
Don't take them off just because you don't want to look like a dork. Wait until you aren't a dork. A dork will never bother to check their derailleur alignment after they crash on or fall onto their drive side. A bent derailleur hanger can result in a broken hanger and/or rear derailleur.
Surely it has aero properties?
Hi Ollie, I do agree with you about the Dork disc.
What if we made a huge dork disk that covered the entire spokes, and another for the other side behind the brake rotor, we would then have a full aero disc wheel !! Solves 2 problems at the same time 😂
I had that on my raleigh extreme. but on both wheels. it was incredibly extreme.
Let be realistic, no ones is going to spend $100+ on park tools to remove the disk. Breaking it off IS the correct way, lets not over complicate things.
Dork Disk. Now, that's a name I've not heard in a long time.
😂😂😂
Proper pisstaking done like a true Sheffielder 🤣
coolest video on bike repair ever heard hahahahaha, truly a classic and near perfectly presented! TY. yea, those tools aren't inexpensive...
Cheers Mike!
If you have a spill and bent the hangar, it can help you from locking your wheel on the next big hill--giving you #2 on the day. Don't ask.
Ollie pretending to not know what dorks do was some great acting
😉😂
excellent alderan reference
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That comment was so dorky that RUclips inserted the ‘Translate to English” option underneath it! :-)
3:01 Makes me wonder if they felt a disturbance last Thursday, when I cut out a dork disc with scissors (new gravel bike woohoo!).
I always thought it was to protect the disc brake rotor from contamination from the drivetrain 😅
Honestly that makes pretty good sense, lol 👍
Me too
Nope: Centrifugal force flings -$#!t- contaminants out and away, not across (objects in motion stay in motion: there's no motion across the wheel).
It's there to protect the spokes from people who neglect their derailleur adjustment.
@@wilfdarr I was thinking more during cleaning and servicing.
@@JonathanMallett Oh I get you, when you're hitting it with the hose... Ya I could see how you'd come to that conclusion, but honestly, the bearings are more sensitive than the brake disk in that context and the DD doesn't do anything to protect the bearings (for this to be the case there would have to be another disk between the hub and the frame)
Dr. Ollie Bridgewood-chemist, climbing beast, GCN Tech Jedi Master
The last bike I purchased came with the dork disk already removed. This lbs is now my favourite.
Ollie, how do you really feel about them? I was unable to tell.
omg that was hilarious. thx, ollie
I keep it not because I can't adjust my derailleur, but it also keeps clean my rear rotor/pads from the chain/cassette dirt.
Mine is double secured with cable ties for exactly that reason.
@@galaxymohit you dont have to secure it. it's not possible to move it without removing the cassette anyway
Maybe clean your chain regularly…
@@popeyebouldercreek I do. But it is still a group of fast moving parts and an attraction point for dirt.
I rock my dork disc on both mtb and road. Don’t let weight weenies pressure you into removing it.
*I'd like to know what my options are,*
*so I don't Damage the High Quality Rims that my Cannondale Super V700 came with.*
In the 45 or so years that I've been riding road bikes my chain has fallen onto the spokes exactly zero times. I adjust the limit screws and check for hanger and driveline alignment, so I'm good.
Then again, it's a way to make people think you have disc brakes, from a distance...
I have one of these on my 30 year old Dawes and I do Know how to set up my gears. Just happy being a Dork
Perfect name for people who love disc brake dork disc lmfaooo00!!
Some wheels (like DTSwiss) have hubs which you can just pull from the wheel with cassette on. No need to remove cassette. Remove dork disc and put the whole freehub back on. No tools required.
My Shimano also does this i discovered while bouncing my wheel trying to get my tyre bead in place. It fell off, onto concrete 😞
Do DTSwiss wheel equipped bikes also come with dork disks?
@@stevek8829 It is not wheel manufacturer's job to put dork disc. They sell wheel with freehub but without cassette. I have two Canyons and they assembled bike using that plastic thing. I believe it is common for most bike brands when assembling.
1:50 10 o'clock & 2 o'clock with your tools Ollie. 10 o'clock & 2 o'clock FFS. The reason they are on bikes is so that the factory assemblers can jam through the gears in no time flat without scratching the spokes with low gear overruns, and then leave it on (for the 30 sec time saving it takes to remove) and sell it as a benefit to retailers, who sell it to customers. On kids bikes, they're justified, as kids just chuck their bikes driveside down and bend the derailleur so that it deposits the chain in the spokes, no matter how carefully it's adjusted. Even MTBs without a clutch derailleur can benefit from them.
I have tried the bodge method once and never will again. I almost cut my hand open with the pointy plastic. So much cleaner with the cassette removed. I also like to keep them in a nice neat pile in my storage cabinet to never be used again.
I have brutally cut it off and never thought for a second it was any useful 😅
if you happen to have a dt swiss rear wheel you just need to pull up the entire cassette without dismounting from the hub, then remove that dork disc 😎 (I'm not sponsored)
Do love Oli quoting Obi Wan almost word for word confirming Dork Status.
Awww Sh1t just realised I knew that confirming I'm also a Dork. 🤦♂️
Atl east I do the manly thing and hack off my Dork disk using my teeth if necessary within minutes of getting a new bike. (A new bike needs to taste blood early in its new life after all)
Plot twist - does a dork disc actually make the rear wheel more aero?
Also does it catch air in crosswinds and does it keep grease from the drivetrain off disc brakes?
Fantastic question!
Ollie dropped the Dork disk..... nice :)
Good to see GCN are fans of Berm Peak Express. Can Ollie and Seth do a video together??? You even have the same tool sponsor 😂
"You don't need a dork disk if your bike is set up properly is a little bit like saying, "We don't need traffic signals because drivers should know the rules of the road."
Except that drivers have no control over other drivers but people who know bikes do have control over their own bikes, and he was speaking to the latter, not someone who's riding a Walmart special.
The analogy is a comparison of "shoulds" not drivers and riders. We all "should" know the rules of the road, not just good drivers. We all should not need a "dork disk." Both the traffic signals and dork disk overcome potential problems. A lack of them invites problems. All that's going on with the dork disk discussion is one-upmanship. Nothing more.
I believe the dork disk was initially put there at the request of legal representatives, who wanted to reduce liability in the case of a lawsuit where one alleges that the bike is inherently dangerous because if the derailleur gets caught in the spokes, it can cause loss of control. We know, of course, if this happens it will just slow the bike down. Today, it may have a second use: protecting the disk brake rotor from overspray when degreasing and washing the bike while it is being sprayed. Can you relocate the dork disk on the other side, closer to the disk?
Outstanding. Presumably the next video is how to fit a (sponsored) dork disk :-)
I recently acquired new old stock 27" wheels for my road bike and was debating taking the spoke guard off.
Even though I fully trust my setup of the upper and lower limits the deraeiouilllerr, I decided to just keep it on as I don't want to risk my spokes getting damaged if something bad happens. Also it has been great for reducing the amount of lube being flicked on the spokes and hub.
The bike would look slightly more appealing without the guard, but for the moment it shall stay.
I concur with you. Keep it on but only provided it's a decent quality dork disc, that doesn't rattle or rub your derailleur or chain. Sometimes you luck out and get a dork disc with a tight fit that looks decent. Most dork discs are low quality, rattle, rub the chain or derailleur & UV degrade quickly. More people would keep them on if they actually FIT well & were made of quality UV resistant nearly invisible plastic that was only just as wide a diameter as necessary so as it looks 'austhetically pleasing'.
A 'quality dork disc' is a definate 'project' to design if you have access to a 3D printer!
@@ministryoftruth8588 Yeah, this one fits really well and looks good quality. I do have one on a 90's Specialized Hardrock which was yellow from UV damage and was rattling about, so I have taken it off.
Great video as usual. I have a totally unrelated question. What is the colour of Ollie’s bike called?
Wire snips, the only way. Not like you’re gonna put it back on
So, just a question because i actually don’t know..
Is the dork disc necessary if having electric gear-shifter such as ETAP? :)
Where was this last week when I removed mine (after three years with it)? I heard a chorus of angels when I cut mine off with snips.
This is an absolute important video!!
Hilarious! Thank you!
lol. dork disk. love it.
I bent my hanger powering up a short hill on a 400k ride. At 300 km I shifted my rear derailleur into my rear wheel which ended my ride (at 1am) and did almost $300 worth of damage. New Campy Chorus rear derailleur and a rebuilt wheel. That's why the dork disk is there. I will never remove one again.
Omg love this vid, new sub. Dork disk be gone!
Hilariously Awesome - kudos great job
It’s a health and safety thing, like those annoying tabs on the fork drop outs.
Great funny video! Please more!
Couldn't be bothered removing it from my new bike. You can hardly see it behind the monster 1x cassette........
Can we get a video on how to remove reflectors next?
I replaced my spoke guard (aka dork disc) and now my cassette rubs against it and the turning of the rear wheels makes the cassette turn and also the chain moves. Did I install something wrong? Please help
I have been removing dork discs since I got the first of my freewheel removers in 1972.
Leave it on unless it's broke or making a noise. It's there for a reason if you don't know how to adjust the detailer.
But is it aero ?!
I did not know the name of it, but I removed mine, because it was making noise. After I removed it, my moise problem was solved.
I am 100% prowd to admit that this is a job I bodge with much fun on my bikes
The easiest way to remove the dork disc is to cut the disc in two places with metal shears (aka tin snips). Works like a charm in a couple of minutes.
I don't know WTH Ollie is talking about ... 'Dork Discs' from european racing bikes of the 1930s-50s, with Campagnolo Cambio Corsa or Paris-Roubaix or Super Champion Osgear Derailleurs looked PROPER COOL!
I just cut mine then snapped it off. Not seeing any damage to my derailleur or spokes
Thus far, I've destroyed two derailleurs, two derailleur hangers, one new gp5000 tire, and one wheel because i dont use the dork disc.
But it has been many years since i had a problem because i always straighten my hanger and adjust my derailleur myself. NEVER TRUST LOCAL BIKE SHOPS! You're a dork if you let them touch your bike... That's just my experience. 😤
It's like putting your life in the hands of a someone still working their way through freshmen year of college. I would only trust an MD with my life. And even then i wouldn't blindly trust that MD. I would want to know and understand exactly what it is that he or she wants to do and why! At least with car mechanics, they've had several years of specialized education. But with the local bike shop they just learn on the job.. hardly even have an apprenticeship.
The dork is the guy sitting at the roadside with his chain wedged between his gears and spokes -- maybe with damaged spokes to boot! Hit some bumps, and the derailer adjustment doesn't matter. Dork.
If you couldn't figure out how to remove the dork disc without watching this video first, you probably are not that good at keeping your derailleur adjusted and should keep the disc in place.
On the contrary, if you follow the rules and watch tech videos, you are more likely to read the derailleur service manual and adjust it corretly
No one's born knowing how to do most things. Particularly mechanical things like this. No need to have a snobby attitude. Spreading education and knowledge is a good thing; if you feel threatened by that, then maybe you need to address your own insecurities rather than project them onto others.
Exactly! Anyone with a multitool has already figured this out: anyone who hasn't already probably hasn't figured out derailleur adjustment and is going to get a chain in there sooner than later!
Now let’s imagine this video being the gateway to more confidence to working on a bike thus discovering how to also setting up a bike properly.
I snapped it off with a pliers. In 1979.
If one can't figure out how to remove it, then they probably don't understand how it works and when it would actually help them; hence they should leave it attached.
The moment Ollie cut that dork disc off my World of Warcraft server crashed.
Genuinely chortling out loud, lmaooooooo
What colour is that orbea would like one myself 😍
I love the idea of a Dura-Ace wheel set coming with dork discs. Shimano should absolutely consider running an ad for Dura-Ace wheels that is normal in every way save for the inclusion of dork discs for April Fools.
Keep it in place until it breaks (you never know when someone bends your derailleur at a coffee stop or bike lock up at work without your knowledge, after which you shift into low, and !crunch!): once it's broken it's extremely easy to remove and not doing any good anyways!
Makes it an easy decision!
What's the proper technical name for it? #askgcntech
Spoke protector/guard
do they sell ultegra spoke guards?