This FUNDAMENTAL charging problem could FINISH EVs for good | MGUY Australia
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If EVs worked they wouldn't need legislation to force people in to them.
Like the jab you mean?
@@richrdlewis6278That was to prise our soul away from our body, but yes, being useless and dangerous it needed massive coercion too. The problem is public servant WEFfers getting above their station, they need to be reminded we are their masters.
Absolutely !
Who has been forced to buy an EV?
if anything worked it wouldnt need to be forced..period 😎🖖
The guy down the street was very excited about his new electric pickup with the extra capacity battery. Until it took 8 days to charge from quarter charge. He hired an electrician to install a fast charger. The electrician said he didn't have the capacity and would need the power company to upgrade. The power company said it would cost him 50 to 60 thousand dollars to upgrade. He's currently trying to get Ford to buy it back and installed a different charger that now takes 4 days to charge.
Very sad but very comical.
Imagine how much oil is being used at the power plant just to generate this energy. In any mechanical system, the more times you transfer or transport something, the more waste there is. I have to imagine at the end of the day we get less MPG doing it this way compared to an efficient combustion engine or especially a hybrid engine. And that doesn’t even account for the lithium ions, how we get them, and the battery making process.
This is typical leftist thinking, which is NOT thinking things through. Leftists are absolutely notorious for failing to think thing through, which makes leftism ultra dangerous. People die.
It may take 8 days , but he is saving the planet. Well , actually he is not; fossil fuels are being burnt to make the electricity for his pickup.
Rubbish - But if there was any truth in that you lot must be running your houses on AAA batteries 🤣
May I say that your voice is so listenable! No hype, not loud and screechy, just quiet and calm and delivering sane facts.
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What about the estimates and calculations above? Would you care to challenge them? You know, add some substance to your comment.@@user-se6ue2pv7p
I had to search RUclips for your realistic vision on EV’s and what I found was the ‘positive’ videos are forced into a result that asks about the problems.
A local authority in North West England decided they would go green and bought several Ford EV Transit vans, can't remember how many but it was quite a few. The first problem they encountered was that the only chargers in the area were in car parks with restricted height barriers. There was then a mad panic to install more charging points. A lot of the area covered by this authority is quite rural and for example, a joiner may have to travel 50 miles or more between jobs. While he's on one job, he may get a call to say when you have finished there, there's another job 50 miles away that needs urgent attention. In a diesel that wouldn't be a problem, with an EV though, it can be a big problem. The drivers are saying they can't get 100 miles out of the EV's before they need charging. They are spending so much time waiting for the vans to charge that the decision has been made to get rid of the EV's and go back to diesel. That's an awful lot of money that has been wasted but it's only council tax money. I'll stick with my old diesel thanks.
Anyone with half a brain knows that this would happen...but I guess that leaves out government employees who are more interested in optics than reality.
George, that council tax money is your money. You are right to be concerned.
You stick with your old diesel then, wasting your money making the oil companies and Mr. Putin even richer whilst fouling up the air in the process. The mysterious unnamed local authority you talk about clearly didn't do any planning. For a start all they need to do was install a few AC chargers at the place the vans were based (you didn't say what functions the vans had) and charge them overnight. Ford and other companies have done their research which shows that over 90% of use cases for vans are covered by a 200 km range (120 miles a day) the e-Transit has a range of 196 miles so enough for most use cases. You can find many cases with a quick Googling of UK local authorities going electric and saving money and emissions in the process.
Waiting ( or even queueing ) at a charger is a problem already for normal people. Everybody running a business should know about the impact it has when employees driving cars around have to queue at charging stations during working hours. Many craftsman that do jobs at my house do not have dedicated parking lots near the main office or they take the company cars home for emergency calls and cannot charge it over night.
I've been saying exactly this kind of thing, since these EVs started appearing several years ago, and I'm nowhere near an expert on these matters...it's just common sense! Anyone who can't see the problems with them is just plain stupid!
Let's be real, they really want to do away with private transportation. It's likely they anticipate all of this and as a result will make the private car a luxury or something you will have to rent.
They want everyone in EVs so the control is easier in a 15 minute city.
Tin foil hat.
That's my thinking. Not only do they know how inconvenient it will be for people to own EV's, they also know that EV's are going to kill off the auto industry, when they all go all in on EV's, but nobody buys them. They won't be able to pivot back to internal combustion engines, without a massive investment, to change their battery plants back to engine production, which they may not have the money for after they invested so much in EV's, that failed to sell. . Toyota is the only automaker taking a sensible approach, by doing research into multiple alternatives to gas and diesel, while still keeping their gas and diesel engines in production, and while making them cleaner and more efficient. They will be in the best position to discontinue EV production, when EV's eventually fail.
Yea they don't want all that fuel tax revenue do they.
@@oldgit15first of all, they can invent any tax they want. Including on air you breath. Second, they print the money. As much as they want.
It isn't the money they are after.
That is a good point. I have observed here in the USA that there are already people with EVs waiting in line for a charger. Recently I was at a gas station located on an interstate and observed four chargers which were all in use and one or two cars in line at each charger. I was glad to be pumping diesel instead of waiting in line for a charger. Your concern about supplying enough current for all four charging stations simultaneously is valid. This is the first time I have heard anyone mention the challenge of supplying the chargers with enough electricity. I have seen pictures of industrial size diesel powered generators supplying the chargers. No one has mentioned until now that high capacity transmission lines will be run to the charging stations.
Obviously not Tesla chargers. That’s why every car manufacture is converting to the massive Tesla charging system with the NACS system developed by Tesla by 2025.
Imagine that a diesel engine using diesel fuel to power the charges what a joke greenies
Tell us which filling station?
Like many of these woke politicians, they put on a Tuxedo but when you look, they forgot the shirt, underwear and socks.
Not seeing the Net Zero in this" industrial size diesel powered generators supplying the chargers", Lol
Another problem is, at gas (petrol) stations, each pump has a direct line to the storage tank so even if every single pump is used at the same time there is no diference in filling speed than if only one pump is operating. But at a large EV station, all chargers are hooked up to a single power scource so the more things you have hooked up to it the slower the charging is for everyone. Think about it like if you were to put a splitter on a garden hose. If it was only split in 2 and both were turned on there wouldn't be a lot of difference, but if you had it split into 10 you'ld barely get a trickle out of each hose.
That’s an outright lie. It’s usually 2 chargers that share one line.
@@Audioremedy0785isn’t it hilarious how aggressive you shrills get. So in your world it’s a selling point that it’s only TWO chargers that share one line. So 12 chargers share 6 lines. Wow the future. By the way you’d need some good strong power lines and cabinetry in for 12 chargers all drawing 150 at once.
@@xr6lad that’s not a selling point at all. It’s just how the chargers work.
@@Audioremedy0785It still comes from the original electrical power feed 🤦
@@xr6lad I’m not aggressive. It’s just a nonsense point. It literally makes no sense at all. Yeah the cables are able to operate faster if less people are using them…. So what…?
A breath of fresh air in the mad marketing world of EVs. 👍🏻🇬🇧😎
Thanks for watching!
I filled my Pajero sport today. I was curious as to how long it would take to fill the car from a quarter of a tank to full. From sitting in my car, to filling it, paying for the fuel and sitting back in my car took 3 minutes and 4 seconds. As I pulled up, the chap in front of me was filling his Ford Ranger. I just took the rear bowser and commenced filling while he finished using the front bowser. Unless you have to wait for a bowser, it is incredibly quick to fill my car. Driving on the highway I will get an easy 600km range, with 100 km left. When I stop to fill it will only take 3 minutes or so to refill my car and be back on my way. If I want to take a break I can, but I am not forced to by the refuelling time. If I am sharing the driving, we can swap drivers and really smash it out if we want to. No EV gives me that flexibility.Especially here in country Western Australia.
Great work recording that. No EV will ever tow a caravan across the Nullabor with a family of 4 in it. I am 57 and I would bet my house it wont happen in my lifetime. This entire thing is just a hoax to squander your taxes. Resist it!
Talking of swapping drivers, I know a couple that regularly drive Sydney to Melbourne. When they drive they swap drivers regularly at about 2 hours taking either 5 minutes away from going 100km/h (pull into rest area and walk around car) or 20 minutes (pull into somewhere with fuel + toilets). They only need to get fuel only once. The result is they easily do the roughly 800km in 8.5 hours.
In an EV there would be 2 stops to do a 30% to 80% charge (minimum hour each time) and they need to start with a 100% battery. Also the battery stops may not align with driver changes. The result would be about an extra 2 hours of travel time also the car would need another charge on arrival of an hour.
And your point is? You have none. I leave home on a long journey having 'filled' my car overnight while I am sleeping. I drive for 250 km typically before taking a break at which point my EV is at between 30% and 40% SOC. I stop for 20 minutes, stretch my legs, use the bathroom, grab a drink, unplug and get back on the road and do another 250 km. I owned ICE cars since 1974 and an EV since 2019...nothing has changed in my driving habits when it comes to stopping, making sure that I keep alert and safe on the roads. The only thing that has changed is the massive savings in not having to pay to make oil companies even richer and the much better driving experience of my smooth, quiet and quick off the mark EV.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 At least in Australia you won't need to use a heater much.
Convert liters to kilowatts, the average fuel pump can replenish a car to full at a rate of around 17,000 kW.
I work at a Jeep dealership in the US, Stellantis requires that we install a level 3 charger so we spent 60K on the charger and now we have to wait a year for PPL to run new lines to our building so we can use it...this is insanity.
About 3 years ago, when I was in the process of buying my present car, I also came to the same conclusion as this. Even if there were to be such an increase in the numbers of chargers, there would still be the 4 times longer wait to be recharged for half the range expected for the ICE car. As a result, I bought a diesel.
Further, if there were to be such a huge increase in public chargers, local buffer batteries aren't likely to be much help as these would effectively be additional electrical loads on the power grid too.
Your example photo of an 8 bay chemical fuel filling station clearly shows how compact and efficient that process is. Replacing that with at least 36 charging bays would increase the distance needed to drive find a vacant charger, and hugely increase the costs of how much land is needed to support all these charger.
When I bought my, then, new car 3 years ago I remember driving to a motorway service station carpark that had pump capacity for about 30 cars and further capacity for about 10 trucks. Seeing that, I joked with my family that replacing that infrastructure capacity with the electric equivalent would probably need more than the space of the adjacent 500+ carparking bays
"Compact and efficient"??? LOL. Now how many of those "compact and efficient" gas stations are within a 5 mile radius and how much land do they all occupy? The charging station may be the only one in that 5 mile radius, or 50 mile radius, or even a 100 mile radius. I just came back from a trip through the Mohave Desert where the charging stations are about 100 miles apart along a busy major Interstate highway. Each station had only 4 chargers and occupied a space smaller than the neighboring gas station. There were no queues and charging was easy and problem free.
@@muskrat3291no doubt there was plenty of places in the desert to put your head back in the sand whilst charging
@@muskrat3291 If all these problems exist why is it that people whose Model S cars are too old are replacing them with another Tesla? Why are these people not flocking back to ICE cars?
Exactly. So you have to cut down the trees that need co2 to produce oxygen, and eliminate many private homes to build the flood-causing charge parks, wind turbine parks, and solar array fields.
That's hilarious 😂
At peak times, you can already have 1-2 hour queues for chargers in the UK, and then, once connected, another 45 min wait. If the chargers are all in use, they're also sharing a single mains supply, so charging rates are slower - 60+ mins is not unusual.
Has anyone considered the environmental issues of all the requirements for building an EV charging station too? Concrete, plastic, steel etc, which is all going to generate emissions.
Don't worry the poor will have their electricity prices hiked to cover the costs.
It is insanity on a grand scale. Forget the emissions because there is no climate crisis.
We have driven Tesla for 10 years. Never experienced a queue at a supercharger. I know it has happened to some, but a queue of more than 10 minutes almost never happens.
I'm going to guess you don't, never have and never would drive an EV. I do, and have done for some time. Had to wait once for a single charger in a petrol station, but that was my choice because I had an hour to kill so it didn't matter. You have no idea what you're talking about, but a desperate and irrational need to spread anti-EV drivel.
Where do you drive?@@jrgenaksnes2676
..the problem was addressed in the US where one City Council exclaimed that the proposed number of chargers needed to run all the cars in the city would consume more power than the city had available...more power than all industry, business and domestic use used combined...
That is total nonsense. EVs do not charge all at the same time or even every day. If all the ICE vehicles decided to fill their tanks at the same time, the city would quickly run out of gas. BTW, crypto currency uses more electricity than EVs. A single Bit Coin transaction uses enough electricity to power an EV for 2,000 miles. Data centers are going to be the big drain on the grid, not EVs. A single data center uses as much electricity as a small city. And that is going to happen in the next 4 to 5 years with the coming of artificial intelligence.
@@muskrat3291 excellent..you spotted a flaw in that councils thinking...I guess they were just not on board with EVs...
This is very not true. In the US if they went all EVs it would only need 17% more generation. Residential use is only 24% of electricity usage and two EVs doesn't use as much as the average house per day.
@@gregb7353 The US would need about 20% more generation to service just light vehicle EVs. Trucks and buses would need another 10%. That's a HUGE increase. Where is that increase coming from? Not solar, solar doesn't work outside of a few hours around noon. Not wind, it's too unreliable. Nuclear is the only possibility but the same GangGreeners that are pushing EVs are opposed to nuclear.
If the average commute is 42 miles, an EV would need about 10 kWh per day. 2 EVs would need 20 kWh. The average household use is 30 kWh per day, so going EVs would require 66% more residential electricity supply. That's not possible with the current (pun intended) infrastructure.
Absolutely nonsense!!! Also EV can charge during low demand times in essence bringing the cost of electrify down for everyone by smoothing out the “the duck curve.” Learn how utilities work.
Thank you for this. The infrastructure and number of charge stations needed is a topic I mention all the time, but don't see any, especially the all-in EV channels discuss. Since I built a lot of substation in my life, I notice things like the size and number of transformers feeding lineups of EV chargers, and they are usually woefully undersized if you ever really expected 8 cars to line up at a time and charge. As you mentioned, just at 150kw charge rate that would be a 1200KVA transformer that has to feed that, but I normally see 3-500Kva. Which means only three cars could charge at that rate. The newer ones are 250kw, so, now just two. Divided over 8 (if they are set up that way, some are first come first serve for the charging rates), you would only have 62KW, which, from what I understand, is pretty slow and painful.
A few weeks ago I was looking at the Harris Ranch station. Hard to get good arial views, but I can only spot one transformer on the whole site, and it would be generous to estimate it at 1500KVA. Now, it looks like they have distributed battery storage, so you can use the transformer to charge the batteries when there are not a lot of cars there, but they do not look big. If you add them together it looks like less than a MW. So, lets say the batteries in parallel with the utility can deliver 2MWH for 2 hours and then down to 1.5MWH per hour after that. Spread over 100 cars, they would be getting 20kw apiece. Only about 8 cars could charge at 250KW, less when the batteries are down.
I was at Harris Ranch a couple of weeks ago. I rated it as one of my best charging experiences on the trip. Great place for both Tesla and non-Teslas with nice amenities. Several cars were charging while I was there, don't know exact number as I didn't count. I was in and out in 20 minutes.
In my remote Scottish glen there are around 200 households, only a handful of which have EVs. The power infrastructure is already at its limit thanks to growing demand and zero investment by energy companies who prefer to pay Director bonuses and investor dividends. If every household replaced their car with an EV the system would collapse with the effort of supplying all the energy that's stored as liquid hydrocarbons in around 300 vehicle tanks.
This is just a fundamental misunderstanding of how charging works from the ground up. The average EV has an 80kWh battery but you aren't adding 80kW during a charging session, you're adding at most 60kW which is 10% to 85% state of charge (SOC). More typical would be only adding 50kW from 10% to 72% SOC. A 150kW charger can theoretically add that in 20 minutes but very few EVs can accept 150kW from 10% to 72% SOC. A good EV might be able to do it in 25 minutes. On a 250kW charger a good EV can do it in under 20 minutes. So when you have 8 150kW chargers, you would never put 150kW*8 of site power, it would be a waste. Tesla typically uses a 500Kva transformer for such a site and load balances across all 8 chargers. The change you get 8 cars pull in at the same time at 10% SOC is crazy low chances. Even a small battery buffer would solve this highly unlikely problem but rarely does anyone bother. Battery buffers are reserved when a site is truly under powered.
@@muskrat3291 Interesting. Please let us know how many cars are there next time you go and how fast you are charged. Thanks.
@@gregb7353 That may be the case now.
What happens when a significant percent of our cars are electric and you have back to back cars like at my gas station??? Of course those cars would be waiting 20 minutes or more compared to 8 - 10 minutes at gas stations. What am I missing? Thanks.
Thanks a bunch MGUY. I have asked Macmaster and Geoff by cars for a comparison of fuel pumps and chargers. But they never have. Maybe it's because they never read their comment section after keep telling us to leave a comment. You have covered it perfectly.
I no longer drive, but my older son drives a lot for work. He was thinking about buying an EV but has changed his mind since watching you r channel.
You changed his mind by telling him about a a clown on a you tube channel?
So if you had cancer would you belive a guy on RUclips or a doctor.. Remember there is a lot of fossil fuel paid propaganda about to slow change.
If your son owns a place where he can install his own charger, then he has made a terrible financial decision.
Well good job on your son not thinking for himself. I bet he took 3 corona jabs as well because someone said so
In England for 13.5 megawatts the Local Electric boards would have to install a 33,000volt substation to feed that amount of power into the site.
[This is the type of substation that is built to feed a small town and the surrounding villages]
The cost of installing this would be somewhere between a quarter and 3quaters of a £million depending and the location and the state of the existing grid network.
This does not include The price of installing the charging station itself.
And also... how do we make enough electricity to do ALL of this? Solar panels? Really? In England? Or Seattle? Nope.. That's right folks.. burning a HELL of a lot more coal... Great plan..
And that assumes we have enough energy in the grid in the first place to support that infrastructure.... How many extra power stations/windfarms/whatever are we going to need to generate enough power, and how much will THOSE cost on top of everything else!? The economics just don't stack up no matter which way you look at it.
Oh.. pretty important point... where is there enough space to put all of this solar, wind, hamster wheels etc?.. farm land perhaps?.. let's take that to it's destination... use farmland to put up solar farms instead of planting. food.. How long will that plan last?
Everyone forgets that the end game here is not us owning EV's, its us not having a vehicle AT ALL!
@@deezelfairy
This is why the Gypsies and travellers historically love their horses,
[No tax, no licences, no registration, no identification numbers, non traceable]
My son in law moved from Las Vegas to Toronto temporarily for work , he had his electric car shipped by a big diesel car carrier .
Cost him $ 2,200 .- one way !
Excellent point on how many chargers would be needed if each vehicle needed to be charged for 45 minutes.
Many of the gas stations that I go to here in the USA seem to have between eight and twelve gas pumps, similar to the one shown in the video.
A couple of years ago, here in nearby Daytona Beach, Florida, they opened a huge gas station called Buc-ee's that has 104 gas pumps. Their convenience store is also huge at over 50,000 square feet. I have been to three Buc-ee's and they are all very large. Based on your estimate of ten minutes per fill up, 624 vehicles could get their tanks filled in one hour. The current price for a gallon of gas at Buc-ee's is $2.89.
By the way, yesterday I filled up my truck's gas tank with 22 gallons of gas in four minutes.
Gas cars can ONLY fill up at public stations. EVs ONLY need to use public stations for the 5% of the miles they travel per year on road trips. The need is just so much lower.
Some people who live in a house where they can charge from home might only need to use a public charger 5% of the time.
Many people live in apartments and can't charge their EV at home and will need to use public charging 100% of the time. This includes my cousin Chris, who lives in a large apartment complex. I texted him today and asked him if had an EV, could he charge it anywhere in his complex. He said no, there isn't anywhere to charge an EV where he lives. He would have to depend on public charging 100% of the time.
@@franknew9001 Today charging is certainly an issue for Apartments, Condos and those that must park on the street. This is an easily solvable problem though. This only represents 10% of US households. For other countries it's higher but again, easily solvable problem.
Exactly! Normal people can see this but these WEF save the earth activist politicians are as blind as a bat!
@@gregb7353Really, how do you come up with that?
This is where 15 minute cities fit in. All starting to make sense. You won’t need to go long distances so will get by with less public charging points mostly relying on home charging which in itself will be a drain on the grid.
It hasn’t been thought through in today’s environment but they will make it work for 15 minute areas. And most of that time you won’t need a vehicle. Can you see how this is starting to pan out. Resist. 🤜🤛
The thing that gets me with this 15min city BS is how in the world can you put all the different types of professions all with in 15 min? Steel Mills, Farms, and other industries, landfills, I can go on There is no way you can cover all of societies need within a 15 min walk! You are 100% correct!! The people that thought this up have NO idea what they are doing!!
You got it. It's why the EU is considering restricting people to one flight every few year to "save us from carbon". No doubt the elites will be exempt by accident of birth. It feels like they want to take us back to the days before the Magna Carta.
@@chefbink61I'll guarantee you'll be allowed to leave your prison to travel to work for some mega-corporation creating more money for the 1%.
Its just YOU doing your own thing that wont be allowed.
@@chefbink61 Elites don’t care. Think they’d live in a 15 min city? Reminiscent of Medieval era: Nobles lived in large castles, and serfs owned nothing.
You won't "need" to go long distances or you won't be "allowed" to go long distances..?
You also need to factor for miles per charge. An average diesel car is putting 500+ miles in the tank when it fills up. The average EV is putting less than 200 miles in the battery when it charges. Therefore on average you will need to charge the EV at least 2.5 times more often than the diesel.
So you would need 2.5 times more charging points.
My local filling station has 10 diesel pumps - can't wait to see them install 80 charging points!
Do you need to factor in advances in battery technology, longer ranges and faster charging times? Or are those too awkward and inconvenient?
@@oldgit15 No, you don't. Mainly because my engineering education enables me to understand the ineffectiveness of evs regards significantly reducing co2 emissions. It's great in theory but when you actually understand what would be involved in turning that theory into reality, it becomes clear that evs can never significantly impact the stated problem of increasing levels of co2 in earth's atmosphere. And I realise this is not what some people what to hear or are willing to accept, so they have to continue deluding themselves /being deluded - because physics exists.
It all depends on the battery size...
@@_MrMen_ The bigger the battery the longer it takes to charge.
@@oldgit15 there has been no advancement in battery chemistry since the lithium ion battery.
Nothing has increased charge density.
This is a good point, there will need to be acres of 'car parks' for charging with some kind of orderly queueing system. But if too many people are using them they wont work! Absolutely insane.
This will bring "road rage" to another level...ChargeRage..Lol
Plus armed security.
Space is another issue with more and more charge stations. Currently they are wedged together much like normal car parking spaces in most set ups. But given that EV's are the highest risk of a fire while charging, massive lots of stations right next to each other is a pretty huge fire risk. I would think going forward charge stations will need to be something like 15 feet apart, have a concrete wall between them or something to make it so if one car catches fire they don't all catch fire.
Along with the general space question all of the chargers I’ve seen have been pull up, but not pass through like filling stations. That means that when you’re finished, they have to pull out a new car should be directly behind them again like in the filling station I’m not saying good or bad about if he’s what I’m saying is the people making the laws and making the cars haven’t thought pissed square, 0.1.
"Highest risk while charging" doesn't mean "high risk". It is no where near the fire risk of existing gas stations. This is just fear based on no evidence at all. There are stations with hundreds of chargers next to each other. There are chargers in millions of garages. Charging is safe and to claim otherwise is to ignore all evidence.
All I can say to that is...😆😂🤣
@@gregb7353 It's not that they catch fire a lot, or frequently. The main problem is how hot they burn and how impossible they are to put out. If a car catches fire it mostly destroys the car, EV's catching fire cracks concrete bridges and melts a whole into the asphalt spewing out toxic gasses for days after ignition.
Hilarious. Just hilarious.
The problem is much worse than this as gas and diesel cars have three time the range of electric cars you need approximately 3 times the number of charging stations as.fuelling stations for electric cars. Much large Infrastructure is needed at the charging stations as well to shelter and service all the people hanging around while their cars are charging. Also more space is needed at charging stations to separate the electric cars to limit the damage caused in the event of a battery fire in one of the vehicles.to limit the possibility for igniting cars around them.
"We" dont need a charging station for daily driving so its kind of nonsense. Most people charge their cars during the night and has easily enough range to get several days of driving or just recharge again during next night. Your mindset is out of date :-)
You're talking about only suburbanites with off-street parking doing little commutes. You don't even have a mindset.
@@ChipMIK People who live in flats - and more and more people do - and people who live in tightly packed terraced houses with little or no front garden and/or can't park near their homes, will not have access to home recharging. EVs are a virtue signalling luxury for the well off.
@@ChipMIK In a February 2022 paper on EV tariffs one of Australia's Energy Regulators, Evoenergy, set out a requirement for EV energy tarriffs. One of the requirements of the paper was that EV owners would receive a rebate from the energy provider when the regulator drew energy from an individual's EV during a critical peak event. Evoenergy considers EVs as a form of residential battery which may be utilised to dynamically respond to network prices.
So it is entirely likely that whilst a person may plug in their EV when they get home that the energy regulator will limit is charging capacity to low voltage only or even draw energy out of the EV in order to manage the grid. This isnt the first time that Australian energy regulators have said that they view EVs as a source of energy to manage grid stability and energy cost. A person may find that despite their EV being plugged in over night that it has not charged or has lost power due to the energy regulator drawing power out of the EV. Offcourse they will throw you some cents for doing so.
@@peteclegg1578 Little commutes? How many do +200 Miles commute on daily basis? 1 in 1000? 1 in 5000?
I think you have been very generous with your figures.
Haha yes, me too!
I think you also have to consider that no city or town would allow that many chargers to be installed because they could not afford that type of power coming off the grid because it would just cause havoc to everybody else on the grid
Perfectly put. Precise and accurate, thanks for sharing this with everyone. We’ve experienced the same shite electric issues here in the UK. Electric will NEVER SUCCEED it’s just not practical !!!
Here in UK the filling stations are not big enough to be able to deal with the amount of EV chargers, they physically haven't got the space! 🤷 Our nearest petrol station has squeezed one Electric charger in but the other 3 "bigger" local filling stations might be able to squeeze in 3 or 4 at the most I am guessing but I don't believe they have fitted any yet (north Devon) The only place for chargers here could be in the council owned car parks? but that would take away parking space . I have noticed very few EVs here, I think the most of them are tourists to the area. I have got an old diesel Mk7 Transit van with 100,000 on the clock & will be keeping that until it dies 😊
Yep. Got an old diesel Mondeo, on the highway can go more than 1300km (800 miles) between fills. And yeah, only a few minutes to refuel and you're good for another 1300!
@alanjm1234 yes I recently filled up with diesel, drove 375 miles, used half a tank, cost about £50, a nice steady drive took 8 hours with 10 minute toilet stop no worries, no range anxiety...could have probably turned around & do return trip without refilling or most of it at least.
@@Devondogsclub You literally could have done the same thing in a Tesla.
In the UK the boss of Moto who run a large percentage of motorway service areas has said he has put in many new chargers which he can't connect to the grid.
Reason is the cable supplying the services was put in (presumably under the motorway) was only intended to run the lights and other low powered items there and not thousands of kWh required by these cars and trucks
@@peterskinner5076 I have to wonder about stories like these. Any company installing chargers would make sure they have the power before fitting them.
Either way there will certainly be some infrastructure upgrades needed. But this is and will continue to happen.
In 1998 i was on a year 9 school play called to the snowy, we went to tumut number 3 power station that had 1200mw output , that was we were told was enough power to run a massive part of Australia till the upper dam ran out of water.. during offpeak they put the generators in reverse and pump the water back up with very low cost coal power ... Well i just did the math that with 150k ev chargers , that would only power 800 stations , absolute madness using the grid to power cars that need 120kw of power to drive around
Then there is the time wasted, who is paying these people to stand idle while waiting and what of a household late night emergency that requires an adult to drive someone somewhere but they can't because the car is on charge? There is a bigger reason behind this, make Australia so overwhelmed with foreign debt that we lose our sovereignty and thus our resources are up for grabs.
@aperitifs: There are over 20 million registered vehicles in Australia, of which 15.08 million are passenger vehicle according to the latest census. If we were to use your method of calculating the 6,500 fuel stations in Australia are only capable of supporting 138,889 per day using your average of 10 minutes per fill-up. So if they all wanted to fill up at the same time on the same day; well you can imagine the queues. However they don’t. Just like EVs don’t Al want to recharge at the same time. Nor will they all want to charge at charging stations. Here in the UK most of us charge up overnight using our home chargers. The avg journey in the UK is 28 miles thus most of us only need to charge up once a week. By the way, there are already more EV charging points in the UK than there are fuel stations, with more (with high charging capabilities of 350 megawatts) being rolled out every week. Though evidence supports a collective love of getting behind the wheel in Australia, physical fuel station numbers are in decline there. According to a study from Knight Frank, there were 25,000 service station locations across Australia in the 1970s. Now as I said earlier, there are only approximately 6,500 with fewer every week, so good luck finding a fuel station in 5 or 10 years if the declining rate continues on that trajectory.
@@alanc286 all our fuel stations here have under ground tanks that have leaked into the water table, and that could be why many have shut down, My above comment was only to explain just how much superchargers can use from our grid, I wish Australia had nuclear power plants here like you have in the UK, new generation nuclear provides enough heat to produce hydrogen with the waste heat alone, and that would be awesome to have for a fleet of hydrogen cars .
@@alanc286”By the way”. You appear to be comparing apples with oranges, ie. Number of charging points, with number of filling stations, which generally have a lot more pumps, than one.
The reason there are fewer service stations in Australia today compared to the 1970's is simple, cars are more efficient, fuel tanks are bigger, and roads have improved.
I'm in the American Midwest and not in a urban area. Almost all our pumps are done by Credit Card or Debit Card, and you just swipe to turn on the pump. I would guess the average time at the pump was less than 3 minutes, even for my truck that takes 30gal. 10 minutes at the pump would be only if you had to wait in line to pay in cash inside, and that is still a long line. One other recent change is that most Gas Stations will close the small convenience store, at night but the pumps still run accepting a card for a fill up at any time. And as for most Americans I would guess Gas Stations are the most common business type in any given county.
I also know people who live in areas of the further west that drive one hour to grocery shop. This is not uncommon in the Dakota's where there are still grocery stores that take orders on a Monday, and you can pick up your order later that week when it arrives in store. In places like this Electric cars would kill people in the winter. As power outages are not uncommon, with winter storms. Putting all your eggs in one basket (Grid Power) is not done, due to that risk. If you have a total electric home, you will also have a wood stove, liquid fuel heat source as a backup. If things get bad you can drive out of the area. Most guys keep a fuel can in the back of the truck bed, just for winter emergencies. A total Electric home plus an EV for transportation would be just to high a risk for a family.
Thanks. I like your logical approach to the EV problem. Glenn from Ozz
It’s not logical at all.
Ampol Oxley (Brisbane) has abt 30 liquid fuel pumps.
To charge EV’s you would have to build charging stations which are separate from petrol/diesel/Lpg stations.
Australia should have continued promoting LPG vehicles as we have such an abundant supply. 13.5 megawatts is a big generation plant, I prefer the way the old grid worked.
And how much real estate will be required - this is where the REALITY of NZ starts to sink in and hurt, and carbon is not the enemy!
@@seanworkman431 agree with that, run my cars for years on LPG until the greedy fuel companies killed that one.
@@Renegade040 CNG was more economical than LPG, but both caused high wear on valve stems and upper cylinders, the engines need to be modified, to have intake oil injection.
All chargers are built inside big carparks at this moment. Try to go to a Westfield and there is a good chance you can find chargers. If you do not know what is Westfield, ask around.
I'm in the USA, so this might not translate to other Countries. However, to date, in the coming up on two years I've owned my EV6, I've charged it at home 99.9% of the time. If you have the ability, overnight AC charging is the way to go. However, I will be the first to admit that the infrastructure doesn't yet exist for many people who don't have that ability. To conclude, the math for the commercial infrastructure capacity needed to fill up all ICE vehicles is quite different to that same capacity to charge all EVs. Yes, if everyone road tripped great distances every day it would be a problem. However, since a VAST majority of people rarely drive more than 50 miles in a day, at home charging is the way to go...
Agree. If you are a homeowner then charging your EV is a doddle. And cheap too if you have solar. We’ve owned our EV for 18 months and traveled 10,000 kms. In that time we’ve paid $140 for public charging when we did a 2400 km trip to Sydney and back.
In city areas this would not be a major problem as most vehicles would be charged at home or in car parks. On rural highways though the five to one ratio will go to ten to one when you add that petrol/diesel vehicles generally have twice the range of EVs.
Without even doing the math I can almost guarantee no major urban centers could meet the electricity demands if every car went full electric overnight. None. The infrastructure upgrade alone would be impossible/unsustainable.
Yup. The energy density of liquid fossil fuel really is quite staggering. BEV's won't work for me for two main reasons; 1) I live in an apartment block and 2) I regularly drive Sydney/Melbourne. 1) means I can't recharge at home and I'll be buggered if I'm spending my time at a charge station, and 2) means the issue of your video needs resolving. Imagine arriving into Gundagai to find a 4 hr wait for a charge :o. BIIIG range batteries could address that - 1200km range so the whole trip can be done without charging (followed by a loooong charge at the end).
But......the greener thing to do would be to put that enormous battery into grid storage.
Some people have suggested battery swapping as the solution - but even if we assume the issue of battery sharing/ownership is overcome, we'd still need enormous qty of power available in whoop whoop to recharge the cache of spare batteries or an enormous cache of spare batteries to accommodate max demand and slow charging. And where is that power coming from? coal probably :(
Yes fossil fuel has something like 40 MJ/litre, incredibly energy dense. Nothing quite like it...
You can comfort yourself with that thought when it runs out.
@@oldgit15It won’t. We could even use coal to DCL and continue another 1000 years.
Smaller countries like Norway, sweden and Finland don't have problems with EV's, maybe 90+ % our electricity is coming from nuclear, water, wind and solar. Only problem is the Price, more people would buy EV's, but they don't have enough money.
Battery swapping isn't viable since the cars would need to be made in a way so you can dismantle the car to get to the battery. You'd also need to deal with a battery that's 600 pound or more. And not to mention all the different batteries you'd need to have. A Tesla and a Rivian don't have the sane shape battery.
oh I forgot , who's going to be convinced ? we will be FORCED to adopt regardless of the pain, and get this, it will make no difference at all to CO2 emissions because the the top 5 emitters are going to exceed any savings made. madness , sheer madness.
Stop buying ev. They make you poor
Transport is the low hanging fruit for politicians to reduce co2 and fuel security
Sheer Globalist Neo- Marxism
Absolutely correct.
One other factor: with range limited to, say, 300KM, EVs will need at least 2x the number of stations as compared to pumps.
That’s a lie. On the basis they can be fully charged when they leave the house whereas it’s unlikely that a petrol car would be.
@@Audioremedy0785 Do EVs come with a house and attached parking? a lot of people in lot of different locations don't have access to private charging, or charging overnight or at work.
I live in a building with 159 parking spaces, no ev chargers in a city banning New car sales of ICE vehicles entirely by 2035. I've been in atleast 6 of the 10 largest apartment buildings in the area, no ev charging. There are public chargers but overnight or monthly parking there doesn't mean you can charge while you sleep.
@@Audioremedy0785 Nope, you BEVers always tell us you only charge 20% to 80% to preserve battery pack. Also the superchargers slows down after 80% so you never take the time to make it full as it's a waste of time.
@@robertkubrick3738 I don’t think I have ever said that. I usually wait until it’s about 40% then just top it up to 100% pop it on overnight. No pointless and expensive trips to the petrol station. Saves me plenty of time and costs me an absolute fraction. I have nothing against Gas cars at all. I have both, I just think my EV is miles better by every metric I could possibly measure it on. My gas car can go further on a ‘full tank’. But honesly I would rather drive my Tesla and have a little break after 4 hours of driving than drive my gas car for 6-8 hours non stop.
Another multiplier to consider is that a full charge of an EV tends to give around 200 miles (max) while a tank of fuel can give an ICE vehicle typically up to double that - so EVs will need 'filling' twice as often to get the same range - essentially doubling those numbers of chargers required.
Technology advances and we are only in the 2nd generation of EV; how many evolution has it been in ICE? They are simply not comparable at this stages.
Aren't you sick of the opacity of how oil pricing works, yet?
ICE car owners don't buy a full tank of fuel everyday so the range argument is a fallacy. You buy fuel based on your need that day and EV owners also charge their cars based on their need from day to day.
@@brakgosi6271 If all you are doing is commuting locally, then the range difference may not matter all that much - but if you have a longer journey ahead of you, of course it matters...
As an example, if you have to drive 400 miles (say London to Edinburgh, or LA to San Francisco as an example) then you'll typically have to stop and charge your EV half way through - ie. 'refuelling' twice as many times as you'd need to in a ICE vehicle, and for a far longer period.
Starting with both 'tanks' empty, with an EV you're looking at 45 minutes at the beginning of your journey, 45 minutes in the middle, and 45 minutes at the end if you want your battery 'full' for the next morning. In an ICE car you'd fill it up once before you leave, and again at the end - 10 minutes in total, vs two and a quarter hours.
@@MMLL369 of course they have to be compared - we're being asked to choose between what is currently on sale.
@@jmo2752 Comparable, I meant technologically. I totally see your point though, EVs are not up to the task for interstate road trips without hassles at this stage yet. In reality, we need to make trade offs, can't have 'em all can we?
Besides, the ICE deadline is set on 2035, a decade is a lot of time on the timeline of technology. I'd say, give it a go?
Have you had a thorough look at the oil/petrochemical industry infrastructure? From oil field, to shipping, to refineries, distribution and supply networks?
Its been there for a long time
In western Washington State, three major oil refineries serve most of Washington and Oregon by refining oil and transporting much of it by pipelines going as far south as Portland, Or.
ALL of this infrastructure was built in the 1950s or earlier, although no doubt maintained and upgraded in the meantime.
The oil refineries can take oil by supertanker or rail.
I'm sure the preference of environmentalists would be to shut off ALL that infrastructure, wasting assets of enormous value IF they are used. Just as coal fired and nuclear power plants are junked with their useful life wasted.
And then of course you would have to replace pretty much all the electric power infrastructure to convert everything to electricity. Already the City of Seattle will not allow new gas services to homes and requires electric ranges, water heater and heat pumps as the only equipment that can be installed in homes, even as replacement equipment.
Oh ----and environmentalists are working diligently to get major hydroelectric dams on the Columbia and Snake Rivers dug up and destroyed. This would be an ideal way to substitute for wind and solar when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow, but of course they don't care. BATTERIES! That's what they want! F the dams, already built, that could do that job far better than batteries EVER could.
@@SeattlePioneer eniro nazis are a religious cult. Western civilization is committing suicide.
@@johndelong5574 and? What does it all do? It burns. Billions of tons of the stuff.
@@SeattlePioneer destroy
It needs it's own 50kV sub station!
The infra costs for this and the whole rest of this insabe energy transition is absolute madness!
That is why most people rarely use these types of chargers. They use slow chargers attached to their homes, or at places like supermarkets and stores. Those are 7kW points and they need no special infrastructure - you can get your electrician to wire one into your fuse board in a half an hour.
So you're saying switching to a car that gets the equivalent of 120mpg is a just too much resources to be using and we should stick with the 25mpg average we're getting today? Now something like netZero is a MUCH bigger lift and not sure the Zero part makes much sense. net80% is very doable and will happen just from cost alone but Zero is tough.
@@gregb7353 Coal/natural gas powered cars dont even come close to those numbers, the losses in the power plant, grid and chargers are just as bad as burning fuel directly in an piston engine.
Sorry @@gregb7353 - I am not sure I understand your response. I was responding to the point that charging an electric vehicle needs large infrastructure. I mentioned that all it needs is a cable from your fuse board to an EV charger on your house (or car park/street furniture if you live in an apartment). The EV will quite happily accept 32A at 230V and charge overnight. I think your response may be to something else.
@@Alex-ek5fb My response was to PicoByte
Very good point. It would be interesting to know at home charging point impact your calculations.
Love your videos ! Thank you
If I live in an inner city apartment with only street parking, how will I be able to charge my EV overnight? No good charging it in the day at a charging station, I'm at work and have no time to wait.
Also, Origin Energy and EVSE in Australia have been working on load managed electric car charging for buildings. Instead of having individually supplied vehicle chargers Origin and EVSE are trialing a system where a building would be provided a 22kW managed supply. The system would be able to load balance vehicles plugged into the system.
Vehicles with larger batteries, such as Teslas, may find they wont charge when connected to a managed supply when vehicles with smaller batteries at lower power are connected. Whilst it sounds like a decent response to increased demand I guess it would be frustrating to a Tesla owner, who has paid for a larger battery, to find they are essentially being energy throttled.
EVs are for people who can charge at home. Ideally, for 2 car families so one ICE car can be used for long trips.
Queuing to start charging is already happening in the UK. Your number of chargers calculation seems correct, but doesn't take into account people charging at home and only rarely needing to charge elsewhere.
Charging at home will become an issue for many people in the UK due to the power supply to houses being 100 Amps. (for the majority of houses, some are even less, I know of people who only have 40 amp supply). When you plug in your ev at home you are using 30 Amps, add in all your other requirements and you rapidly find that you may not have a big enough supply, the only way to increase the supply is go 3 phase and that costs a fortune to get installed (if the dno will even do it) One of my friends works for a DNO and reckons that most of his working week is now spent replacing the big incoming fuses in homes when they have blown due to overload, mainly caused by home ev charging drawing more power than the system was designed for, He also calculated, that for the village I live in, if half the cars went to ev's for home charging all the power cables into the village would need replaced and the transformer that supplies us would need to be replaced with one at least double the current capacity. The same thing could be expected all over the county and would need to start being done now yet there are no plans to do it.
@timberry1135 the chargers have dynamic load balancing to reduce charge speed temporarily if a load threshold is exceeded. I run mine on an off grid solar system so have it set lower than 30 amps. Works great still though, car is generally fully charged in a couple of hours.
Very good points, and you're being very generous to EVs in this analysis, because I'm pretty sure that gasoline cars spend less than 10 minutes at the pump on average. (I would have said 5 minutes, or maybe even less.) And EVs may spend longer than 45 minutes on average, based on what I've heard. So I could easily see needing 50 or 60 chargers (or more) to get the same throughput as 8 gasoline pumps.
Basically there are about one charger for every EV because they are charged at the home charger.
If I can pull right up to the pump it's 3 minutes or so for me fill up and leave. For the tractor-trailer that I drive it's usually about 10 minutes, possibly less.
@@a6821 You must live on a very small Plantation.
Find your videos of great value, thumbs up.
Just checked with Tesla website. The Model 3 has a range up to 420 miles. Because they can be changed at home, with ranges like that, who needs a service station. And even if you did need a service station you can still charge up to 175 miles in 10 to 15 minutes. And in the U.K. all charging stations are in the motorway services carpark. Everyone just leaves their cars to change in the car park.
How dare you bring actual facts onto this clown's comment section. 😃
Tesla may say 420 miles. In reality you won't get any where near that.
@@garyalbone8323 You'll get pretty close. Elon has historically exaggerated how fast he can bring certain products to market. But not things like battery range and charging speed. If anything Tesla tends to under promise, and over deliver in these areas.
@@Tom-dt4icIs that why Tesla are being sued in the US for misleading ranges?
Just re-checked, Tesla still quotes from its website, 421 miles for the Tesla 3, and also checked Model Y at 331 miles. But even at 331 miles still makes my point you can still charge from home. At 331 miles I could drive from Torquay to Manchester or London without intermediate charges. I am just quoting Tesla's website.
I did this calculation a few years ago but you have been more generous with the charge time. I also didn't know how much the infrastructure would cost or what would be needed to be done but I knew the present infrastructure would not be adequate.
Keep in mind these chargers are only used 5% of the time. The other 95% of charging happens at home or work on slow chargers over 8 hours during the day or night.
In 2035, when new ICE vehicles are mostly banned around the world, the charging you do at work will probably be stopped.
If a business has 100 employees, each pulling 15Amps 110v or maybe they are nice and will allow 25amp at 240v it adds up.
By 2045 EVs will be nearly ubiquitous with the current rules, and the free and subsidized nature of EVs will stop, and it will be very apparent that most people will be SOL.
@@matthewmenteer5673 You just told me public chargers are a waste of money! No more tax dollars for charging stations as they are only used 5% of the time! By about 1% of the people!
I think going hybrid is a good first step due to the current state of the technology. Hopefully there will be a major focus on that.
My brother is a senior engineer at an American EV maker. He says EVs will fail and the only way forward he can see is hydrogen fuel cells.
@@bendenisereedy7865 No US manufacture is doing anything with hydrogen. Are you sure he didn't work for Toyota?
@@bendenisereedy7865 hydrogen would be the best but we need major breakthroughs in generating hydrogen competitively. I have a nephew that has a Honda hydrogen car in Sacramento under a special test lease program but Honda supplies the hydrogen. It’s something like $16-20 a gallon equivalent.
@@gregb7353that is not true. There are many manufacturers working on hydrogen conversions.
He probably works for Tesla and has seen the real data.
Excellent information.
HI MGUY, I'm not an EValgelist, but I do own an EV. so other considerations which are difficult to quantify without data. Most in the UK charge at home, I do its a lot cheaper and happens when the grid has spare capacity at night, Its true ICE cars have more range but how many people actually fill their cars to the brim. The milage difference and the amount people fill their cars may even out but home charging does need to be considered its so much cheaper, 1/10th the cost of running my 4x4.
We drive a diesel and although it onlys takes about 3 minutes to fill up and about a minute to go and pay afterwards, it is not something we particularly enjoy doing so the fact that it can do about 700 miles on a tanks means we can do this as little as possible. If it were up to me I'd have a 100 litre tank and do it even less often....
I always fill up, no matter the circumstances.
30 years ago they said there would not be enough copper for all the electrical and electronic devices and were looking for alternatives to use such as aluminium for cabling. How are they meeting the demand today? With all these ev's copper must be in huge demand.
Not to mention lithium. When Elon said lithium is the most abundant on Earth he was lieing trough his teeth.
You do know that the water pipes in your home are most likely made of copper, do you? Copper has always been in huge demand.
Tesla is now converting all new cars to 48v instead of 12v system. It saves approx. 75% of the amount of copper that goes to the 12v system.
@@cyruslupercal9493 Not really lying, Lithium is very abundant but most of it is in sea water and would need to be recovered from that, currently its uneconomical to do so with on land lithium being cheaper to produce
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Latest MacMaster video where he demonstrates the features on his Porsche Taycan is an eye opener. None of the aircon vents can be adjusted manually and you need to enter a menu at the centre of the dash and bring up a complicated touch screen depicting funnels of air that you can move around with your finger- absolutely insane. In the UK it is illegal to touch a moblie phone when driving, but apparently is OK to use a touch screen well away from your line of sight down the road.
And that has what to do with EVs?
@@oldgit15 Perhaps because he was describing the features on a £120,000 EV?
@@lesliereed4047 Is that feature exclusive to EVs? Can it only be fitted on EVs? Are there EV and non-EV air vents? Or do you think his performative hysteria is to attract attention from the determinedly anti EV brigade for clicks? And to sell hoodies.
He should have bought a Tesla, funny his other video he did a test drive of the base model Y and it was way faster than his Porsche.
I also see in the comments people suggesting "we charge at home" is the solution... Now think of whole neighbourhoods charging at home.... And then thinking the grid can handle the extra demand on it and thinking you'll get the same throughput as now. I'd think it would take a week to charge up your car...
Grid demand is tiny in the middle of the night, get some education.
Why do you think people mostly charge at night? Demand on the grid is very low so price per kW is also low
Public commercial charging is only for occasional charging. BEV's only make sense if they can be normally charged at residential or industrial electric rates at home or similar situation. In the USA it is about 3 times the cost to charge at commercial charging station compared to charging at home. That puts the cost of energy at about the same for BEVs as it is for gasoline and diesel. At home charging can even work theoretically for a Tesla Semi.
In the USA a large residential electrical feed can be 240 VAC at 400 amps. If that electrical service is installed just for charging the Tesla Semi and it is specified it is to actually deliver 400 Amps instead of the industrial practice for continues loads to run at 80% capacity, then a Tesla Semi with internal charger could fully charge in 10 hours at home. Tesla Semi's don't currently have internal chargers.
240 VAC X 400 Amps = 96,000 Watts (96 kW); 96kW/hr X 10 hr = 0.96 MW. The Tesla Semi's batteries size is reported at 850 kWh - 900 kWh. There are significant electrical losses that would extend this charging time a bit but, the truck will likely not need a total full charge and it will likely sit longer than 10 hours. This makes using a standard 400 amp residential electrical feed (although not typical) for at home charging of a Tesla Semi very possible. Indianapolis Indiana residential rates in 2021 were $0.12/kWh. What you really want is industrial off peak rates that can be as low $0.05/kWh. That's what Tesla priced out for industrial electrical rates for northern (not super high priced southern) California electrical rates that are from hydroelectric.
The 500 mile range of the Tesla Semi is workable, but truckers would be feel comfortable with 800 mile range. Most running would be between 30% and 80% SOC for 400 miles with no problem going greater distances. This would come about if solid state batteries were ever made so they don't micro fracture and break with affordability. Solid state batteries do everything to make BEVs much easier to live with; they don't puncture and burst into flames!, they can have almost twice the power/mass ratio of traditional lithium batteries, they can take high heat allowing them to charge in 10 minutes and they have many more cycle charges than traditional lithium batteries.
Right now solid state batteries micro fracture and break in test vehicles in about six months making them useless and cost many times more than liquid electrolyte batteries. Solid state batteries are made using vaporized metal disposition building up layer after layer to make their electrodes. That process can't be made to go in to rabid manufacturing needed for low cost. There needs to be some other methods for producing similar results possibly approaching what solid state batteries can produce.
Solid State batteries have taken on a meaning of the pinnacle battery where it maybe companies are inclined to call their similar performing batteries solid state even if they really are not. The problem with a slight amount of liquid electrolyte is the battery probably can't take high heat not allowing it to charge in 10 minutes and it maybe subject to fire when punctured. If that keeps the batteries from breaking due to micro fractures with all the other good characteristics still valid it could be a battery with little degradation after 30 years.
You forget team driving. Time is money. Pointless in a Tesla Semi. Tesla hasn't delivered them to the average customer who plunked money down for the deposit. Instead Tesla used them themselves or sold them to Pepsico for local delivery trucks. Last I heard.
My local Costco has 22 pumps It has a large two lane Labyrinth that holds about 50 cars per lane. Goes ok but I try to fuel off peak hours.
I watched macmaster and Geoff buys cars on the lands end / John o’groats and when he was one of four charging the charge went to almost nil and he had to unhook his to let the other three charge. So sixty charging stations sounds good in principle but if the grid can’t support them the game is a bogey.
The grid can support them, and they don't put a power feed to a charging station that can't support all the chargers in it. His performative hysteria is for clicks and selling T shirts. And mugs.
He did actually show the charge rate which was abysmal and the screen showing the time to complete a full charge which was several hours. He can be a bit irritating though! @@oldgit15
@@johnnyhollis9977 Take a 50Kw charger and plug 2 vehicles on it that are capable of charging at 50Kw and yes the charge rate will drop, because maths. The wider question would be why someone with a car that can charge at 250+Kw would choose to plug into a 50Kw charger? I mean, he has a car with a computer that can guide him to ultra rapid chargers, as well as apps on his phone that can do the same. He uses that car as he would use an ICE car, and no one does that because they are very different. I expect he makes a nice living from disingenuousness, so there’s that.
Good point. It would be like pulling into a normal service station with half the pumps out of action and then questioning why it was taking so long for the queue to clear!👍@@oldgit15
Just install a big diesel generator at the charging stations. Fixed it ;)
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10 MINS IS WAY TOO LONG MOST PEOPLE IN UK FILL UP AND GONE IN 3 OR 4 MINS
I was being generous to the EVangelists...!
I don't know how it works it in the UK but here, at most, what we call service stations, you fill, maybe 5 minutes, if your filling all the way to full, walk inside to the cashier and pay, maybe another 3 minutes, if you have to queue, unless you shop there, or get coffee or something. Then it might be a few minutes longer. So it depends. 7 -10 is probably about average.
Someone has tested this at a busy gas station in Norway. On average, each car took 7 minutes.
It used to take me much longer than that to go out of my way to find a petrol station! 10 mins sounds about right by the time you've queued to pay
Your calculation doesn’t take into account the number of charging points that are out of service, a common problem, and the number of charging points that require an app you may not have access to.
His point is, it's absurd even if he is the most charitable with the circumstances.
45 minutes per charge is ultra-optimistic. Besides, I think charging stations are easier to build in countries like Australia and USA, where there is a lot of land. But here in Europe, especially in the old, historic cities like mine, space is limited and land is very expensive. It can easily go for 200 Euro/square meter. No company will spend millions of Euros (if they CAN find the space) to build 30 charging units. And expect a profit. This is not feasible.
20 mins if you were sensible and bought a Tesla to charge at 1,000 miles an hour to 80%
Ultra optimistic? Charging for more than 45 mins is ineffective and not really needed.
6 years of owning 3 different EVs and my longest charging session was 30 minutes. 45 minutes is ULTRA unrealistic. 95%+ of my sessions are under 15 minutes when driving long distance. The few exceptions are because I couldn't get back to the car quick enough.
I am in Australia. The lots of land idea won't stack up. Cites are still pretty crowded. Long distances is a much bigger problem. And how about a charging station being tried in a remote area using some solar plus a generator backup.
@@paulperry968 Not clear on the "lots of land" aspect. You can fit 4x the charging stations in the same space you can get a single gas pump. Each EV only uses a public charging station 5% of the time so it's a tiny fraction of the cars a gas station has to support. The only exception to this would be holidays. You would need 260k charging stations to handle the worst day in the US which is about 230k more chargers than the US has right now. However, that is a problem that is 20-30 years away at the earliest.
Remote charging stations will pull from local solar/wind stations most of the time or the grid if not.
And then the only refill station in the middle of nowhere's battery pack explodes. Road shut untill it gets replaced.......
Totally agree with this. To put it into context, I work in an iron foundry that operates four 8Mw induction furnaces. This is in a well served industrial area but even so we have our own substation, switching gear, transformers and inverter rooms, which collectively cover the same footprint as a decent sized house (with gardens). We also had to have a separate supply so that we didn't create the "dirty electric" problem where you end up interfering with other people's power supply. This installation needs expensive maintenance and to operate for a normal working cycle costs in the region of £20m annually. The power requirements for evs in such a recharging station would presumably be passed on to the users.
Is that in Rotherham by any chance?
@@soundseeker63 No, it's in Smethwick
@@dickturpin3115 Ah right, I know there were old blast furnaces there back in the day, didn't know the steel industry was still going there tbh. Pleasantly surprised by that.
@@soundseeker63 there's a few of us still around in the black country, Chamberlain's still has the old cupolas but most are induction furnaces now because of the environmental thing....
don't forget once the greens have closed all fossile fuel and nuclear power plants you 'll only be able to charge on windy /sunny days . Here in the UK wind drought is a serious unreported issue . As for solar , no real power unless its midday summer sun ( load factor 0.10 , ie 10% of install rated power delivered pa )
I don't think the plan is for it to work but for it to fail BUT we all have to give up our ICE cars and trucks. They don't want us to travel or have independence. I heard that new cars will be build with a k i l l switch.
'Wind drought is a serious unreported issue...'. Is that code for 'Isn't an issue'?
@@oldgit15 unreported because its a problem when the wind doesnt blow - you do hear about wind only when its exceptional though.
All good points. The whole EV thing has not been thought through. It gets worse here in the UK as companies who provide the chargers are having to turn away installation sites e.g. Golf club car parks as one example, as there simply isn't the local power capacity to supply these chargers and we are only talking of about 5 to 6 charging points. Whats also worse is to move over to electrification means that at least 6 more nuclear power stations are required in the UK just to supply the extra capacity. These take about 20 to 25 years to build and cost billions. Then when you have the capacity to start with, the whole power grid will need upgrading to carry the extra power, plus massive amounts of new cables will have to be installed to these charging points and all the C02 that will be produced as a result of this. Then you have the limited life of the EV's themselves. It's not uncommon to expect an ICE car to last 15 to 20 years and then it still has a value. An EV's life is limited by its battery which can last from 7 to 10 years depending on how the car is used. When a EV requires a battery replacement it costs more than the car is worth, so now you have 2 problems, one is what happens to the car, does it just become ready for salvage. Two is that it will be up to the car owners to dispose of the battery. This could cost from about £2K to about £5K depending on the car. Do you think owners will want to pay this on top of finding out their 7 to 10 year old EV is now worthless? The complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the issues involved by our government, and other governments by the sounds of it, is just beyond belief. No one in power seems to grasp the fundamental issues involved. I also hear from car dealers that people who have changed to EV's are trading them back for an ICE car because they can't cope with all the extra hassle involved with low range and poor charging infrastructure.
So millions of vehicles per year, every country in the world pushing it, all manufactures producing EVs, hundreds of thousands of engineers. The leader in the EV space also the leader in rockets and putting things into space. No one is thinking it through? Sure.
They are building a massive pair of stations on the Hume at Pheasants nest south of Sydney Ill be interested to see how many EV spots them install
There are six charging spots at the northbound station. I was there last week. Presumably it is the same on the southbound side. They also have roof covering with solar panels.
Thanks for your realistic videos. Personally I have nothing against electric cars, I think they are a correct option for move within the city center and for no many km daily. I drive a diesel Nissan Navara which works perfectly, but here in Italy, where I live now, having a diesel car is practically like a crime! How can I think of throwing away a perfectly efficient car for an new (expensive for me) EV that would only bring me inconvenience and waste of time? I simply think that the transition should be spread out over time, perhaps my son will drive an electric car in a world of electric-only cars but perhaps from the year 2050. Now it is inconceivable.
My company car is EV. Using superchargers supposedly 300kw the most I have ever had is 160 kw when battery is around 15%. It slows when EV batteries gets full that’s why they recommend 80% as the last 20% takes as long as 20-80%. Also when another car charges at the same time it often reduces the charge rate in half adding up to 20 mins to get 80%.
Great content.
Did you see the Chinese answer of solar panels getting covered in sand in a dessert, wash them with the most precious resource in a dessert Water. How good are solar panels covered in sand in a Australia's outback?
A lot of commuters will charge at home overnight eliminating the need to go to a service station. Hopefully their apartment buildings don’t burn down because the fire department won’t extinguish it. So many problems with EVs….
So many problems worrying about things that you don't need to worry about.
Yup.
Luton Airport car park recently burnt down because a fossil fuel car exploded. Hundreds of cars destroyed. So many problems with fossil fuel vehicles...
@@Alex-ek5fbit was an electric car. Diesel does not catch fire and explode like the video showed,we have been lied to
@@tigertaylor1327it was a diesel Range Rover, the fire dept have confirmed this as fact.
People are so desperate to hate EVs that they will misrepresent the facts, sad really.
Thank you. EV along with wind & solar are a great big sugar pill for the greenies. The trouble is no thought is given to cost of infrastructure production requiring "Fossil Materials" to make all this green stuff. Nore do they think about the Law of Conservation of energy", which states when one type of energy is changed to another form of energy there is a loss in potential energy.
I don't have my eV anymore because they don't work for my needs. However, 45 minutes would be a really long time to charge for. Most people aren't charging their cars up fully, probably more like 80%, and most people are charging from about 20% as you can't risk letting it go too low in case the chargers are faulty. A fast charger will add upto 350 miles an hour so 20-30 minutes is more realistic. I never had to charge at a fast charger for more than 25 minutes. I don't think fast charging does the batteries any good and public chargers in the UK are 7kw which isn't fast enough. Horses for courses. They suit most people but only if they have their own charger at home, then your not really wasting anytime charging. Good video to make people more aware.
So for example you would need an extra 13.5MW for around an hour at various times during the day. Some people will then be charging during the peak times and the demand on the grid will be huge. How wind and solar will handle this I don’t know.
Mostly with batteries to cover the peak periods
@@Alex-ek5fb I still can’t comprehend the scale of the battery installations required to cover peak periods and the additional wind generators/solar panels required for sub optimal generation days. There was a reason that major cities had power stations built within the city boundaries. Given that to actually use the cheapest power Evah we have to substantially increase the transmission network and install huge battery banks it’s looking like the power isn’t so cheap.
@@gerrycooper56 it is true - on renewables, we do not have all the answers yet. However, it is getting better every year, with prices coming down and new technologies all the time. Where we are now is that with batteries we can cover the peak periods. For example, in the case of EV chargers, you often find them with a few static batteries such as Tesla Powerpack. These have 200 kWh capacity each so with 5 of those you can fully charge about 15 EV’s. That way, the charging speed is not reduced when the grid cannot handle all the EVs connected to it. It also means the charging company does not need to pay for an expensive grid upgrade. It is already working fine in Norway where almost every new car is now an EV.
@@Alex-ek5fb yes, technology will develop. I think Norway may not be a typical example. A population of 5.5 million with so much hydro power that it exports into Europe plus 20% EV subsidies paid for by North Sea oil. Norway are trying to pull the plug on the vehicle and charging point subsidies.
@@gerrycooper56 That is all true, but remember where the conversation started: is it even possible to get that much power everywhere and the answer is yes. In addition, it doesn’t all work in Norway’s favour: a large country, not densely populated make energy distribution a challenge. A small country, say the Netherlands is much easier. I think that over time renewables will be mainly centred where they are cheapest, so in Europe: geothermal in Iceland and Italy, wind and tidal around the North Sea, solar in Southern Europe and North Africa. Transmission lines to connect it all. The UK government is currently approving a huge solar project in Marocco, which should certainly be more reliable than solar in the UK. It’s a start.
It's not a bug. It's a feature. In the West, EVs took off first in California where the main concern is not saving the planet, the main concern is traffic. The lockdowns during the pandemic were celebrated because the roads were so empty. The real purpose of transitioning to EVs is precisely to disenfranchise at least half the population from owning their own car. You know in California buying first a hybrid and then a higher priced EV was merely a way to get access to what used to be the carpool lanes.
Ok, but elsewhere public transport is way better then the US, and people own fewer cars,vyet EVs are pushed.
You can't have an oil well and refinery in your back yard. I however, have solar panels and a 7.2 Kw charger that make me entirely energy independent, not possible for all but an option that is cost effective for many, that's why I did it. OK I switched from making bio diesel cause it was both cheeper and easier (less mess)
I've been saying that too. The politicians forcing EVs in CA are just playing dumb when they are told there won't be enough electric generation capacity for millions of future EVs when there already isn't enough capacity now just to keep every home powered in the summer heat. They know what they are doing, they are going to make it so cars are only for the elite and get all the riffraff off the freeways.
Excellent!!
Here in the UK, every time I see someone starting to charge an EV, they spend a good 10 - 15 minutes fiddling with their phone to try and connect. So you have to add that into the mix as well.
And you're also not considering that all those EV's queueing, and spilling out onto the roadways, will also be blocking access to the filling station for gas and diesel vehicles. Those customers are also going to have to wait in the long lines.
You could consider that the deliberately apocalyptic scenario won't happen?
Yeah it’s really quite amazing that people haven’t thought this through and the high cost of replacing those batteries when they wear and the fact that those batteries are diminishing every day of use so you will no longer have 100% charge as months and years by appoint where you’re going to be down to 40 or 50% capacity of the battery and that’s if it doesn’t catch fire during charging
You mean when you wear the car out right? Less than 1% of batteries fail before 200k miles. The other 99%+ have more than 90% of their original capacity left. So instead of 350 miles of range you get 322. This doesn't matter that much since you only do mid-drive charges up to 200 miles of range anyway.
We own a 2020 Tesla Model 3 and a 2015 Nissan Leaf. We use the public charger maybe 5 times a year.
We mainly charge at home. The only time we need to charge on the road was driving to visit relatives far away.
Charging stations are not for everyday going to work/school folks. They're for travelers.
If you live in a condo or apartment complex and has no way of charging, do not buy an EV.
Its so much cheaper to charge at home than at a charging station.
I brought this up in a comment in another video, the replies I got were pretty silly. People said things like "most charges are done at home over night". Trying to imply that fast charge stations are not really required. Which is some what true now, when mostly only rich upper middle class people can afford to have an EV. But if your talking about replacing every car on the road with them you have to consider apartments, town homes, condo's, or even just small houses without a driveway/garage.
Unless you expect every apartment complex to have a series of charging stations in their parking lots people without a house will have to exclusively rely on charging stations to charge their cars.
Interesting but 95% of the charging we do is at home with a low voltage charger and I think that is true for most who own EV's. Think of the time your vehicle sits in your driveway or garage and that is charge time. No line ups and no issues. There is no need to go to freeway or fuel stations like traditional combustion vehicles except on longer trips. I do agree that charging infrastructure needs to grow however and it will take time for that to occur.😋
Mom only charges at home but as usage of EV's increases it's going to become more of an issue. His point is that the space and infrastructure of service the EV's is greater than a similar number of gas cars.
I live in a flat so home charging is impossible. In London as more flats are built the majority will need charging stations. This video shows how it is going to cause chaos in London and its suburbs
Your viewer forgot to pencil in the motels that will also require power that will spring up beside these charging stations to try and appease the angry mobs that could not charge due to huge volumes of people and charging wait times.
No doubt motels run by the BP -Ampol -Caltex - Shell and the like how else are they going to claw back lost coin.
So very true and great calculation to put the truth back on why EV really is not the way at the moment
Most of the transformers here in Germany were built in the 70s. There is no way that these electro/mechanical devices could ever cope with the huge added strain made by even a slight increase in EVs charging in one area. Apart from being un able to produce the required power, it can't be delivered here in Germany using the present cable grid. What could possibly go wrong?
This problem is mainly for extended driving. Most people will charge at home for day to day. It would be interesting to see these calculations for trucks though, filling a thousand litres of diesel (10 min) as opposed to how long it would take to charge an EV truck.
I can’t think how this video’s maths works out?. What is known is that most cars don’t do more than an hour or two’s work a day and Most ppl in Australia now have a filling station (solar) on their roof or will charge for cheap at night at home. Only built up communities who don’t have dedicated parking will need to charge like petrol cars and the transition will take years and years. As things develop there will be blockages that will be cleared. Move on nothing particularly well thought out from a reasoning perspective going on here.
Pepsi Cola loves their Tesla semi trucks. They had a contest between all the various brands of electric semi trucks and the Tesla was the clear winner doing just over 1,000 miles in a day. Even long haul trucks in the US are limited to the number of hours they can operate before having to rest. The Tesla semi charges at destinations and rest periods. The technology is already mature and ready to replace ICE trucks. EV trucks can pay for themselves in less than 2 yrs with just the fuel savings. Then there is no oil changes, very low maintenance or down time. EV trucks are a clear winner.
Most people? Hardly! Most people don't live in houses, they live in rented apartments. Millions of apartments are not on the ground floor. So how do tenants who live on the fifth floor charge their car?
@iandale5412 you should go for a drive down the Hume someday. Goulburn, Gundagai.....always pretty busy. The tiny percentage of people needing to take a long trip on any particular day is still thousands in real numbers.
Then take a drive around a city suburb at night. All those cars parked out in the street are always parked out in the street. Because apartments have no garage, or the garage space is used for something else. All those vehicles will a solution.....either street charging or centralised (like fuel stations today). That's a lot of infra to maintain for street charging, or the video's scenario for centralised.
@@SuperLittleTykein Australia I’m pretty sure most live in houses.
I’ve had a model y for about a year and do drive long trips sometimes. In the USA. I certainly don’t believe Evs are for everyone but my stops are typically 15 mins and find the charging experience to be excellent. I’ve never had to wait for a charger either. Been driving gas powered cars my whole life and hopefully won’t ever have to again. The EV is far superior imo.
I will second this comment with my experience of just over 15K miles in the past year in our Tesla Model Y. I charge at home for 60% of my total energy at 4.5 cents per mile driven. The other 40% has been on long trips ranging from the Canadian border, to Florida using Superchargers. Never did we have a line to wait, and always got a full power charge. Typically after leaving home with a full charge, 4 hours later we would stop for 20 minutes to get another 2.5 hours of range. That would be charging from 15% to around 65%. The only maintaince I've done is rotate the tires 3 times at home. I will buy another later on to replace my second car.
@@rfb91a My Mom has a Tesla also and loves it. She plugs it in at home using 110v. She's never used a charger or super charger. So some of the projected congestion is managed by folks who 'fill up' at home. However, his point is valid when adoption of EV's increases. The space and infrastructure to service the EV's will increase a lot compared to gas stations. Some of this will be managed by software, directing folks to the 'best' charger within their radius and intended destination.
The whole point of the video is to show how EVs would not be viable if everyone had to drive one. Your positive experiences are only possible whilst a small minority drive them.
But the assumption that it takes 45 minutes is incorrect.
She likes to charge her car all week does she?@@olliehopnoodle4628
Exceptional work, #MGUYTV I'm glad you're battling these jerks out there. We must take every precaution to safeguard the elderly and the general public from these disgusting scam artists! You've earned it!! You deserve the Nobel Peace Prize for keeping us safe, 😊
You're absolutely correct and I think your numbers are conservative. In my small country town there have been 5 new petrol stations built or renovated in 2 years. The oil companies are well aware this EV trend is fantasy. For now at least the infrastructure is lacking the power supply, so I'll have no choice but petrol for a while with my meagre budget.
That is the biggest problem besides the infrastructure to charge is the capacity.
If you buy an EV and rely solely on public charging you will likely be frustrated. I recommend EVs to people who can easily charge at home with a commute under 70 miles in each direction. I have owned EVs for 10 years and rarely do I use a public charger. I have driven to Colorado from Chicago more than once without incident but there have been occasional delays. Plan for it if you are on a road trip.
One of our church members recently made a trip. It normally takes four hours. With their new EV, they ere able to do it in eight. They said to figure on at least doubling the time needed to make a long trip.
Did you get lost and post to the wrong video? This makes WAY too much sense based on the other posts here. Good post. I would just add that if you do commute over 70 miles you just need to get an L2 charger. It's an important addition because if your commute is over 70 miles you really save big switching to an EV.
If it were a non-Tesla, I can see the problem, but this summer, I took my family in our Tesla Model Y, on a trip to Florida, with 700 mile days,, and the charging time both ways (2500 miles) was not an issue.
M*rk, I can't afford an EV, much less a home charger. I live in a rented room, in a house, like millions of others, now, here in the U.S., and, if I buy another car, it will have to cost, only 2 or 3 grand. I am glad that you are rich enough, to spend that kind of money, buying & owning EV's, for the past ten years--but I am not. And I'm not sure if I ever will be, either. Cars need to cost only a few thousand dollars, last 5 or 10 years, then buy another, when a major repair arises. How much more than a few thousand dollars, have you spent, just buying EV's, in the past ten years? This is why I will never buy an EV: I cannot afford them. For me, they are a rich man's luxury. I live off about 19 thousand dollars per year, in the most unaffordable area, in the U.S. Most of that income goes toward rent, food, and phone. And, I am saving, for my future, too. I do not have 80, 50, even 10 thousand, to pay, for any car, let alone an EV. Maybe you do, Mr. Rich Man, but I don't.
so basically it doesn't work for a great many people in society...
Many people live in apartments, park on the street, don't have access to home charging, cant afford an EV, drive further than you suggest, and actually need to tow things and do actual work with their vehicles, can't afford a home charger even if they don't rent, etc.
The piece missing from your analysis is that in countries like Australia the majority of people have access to charge at home. Therefore the absolute amount of refuelling performed at refuelling stations is less than with petrol / diesel cars.
Level 1 or Level 2? Understand that the electric company doesn't typically build lines that are only going to operate at 20-30% capacity as that's not cost effective. So it isn't like they can just double the amount of power supplied to every home without replacing huge swaths of very expensive equipment. If 25% of homeowners decided to try to level 2 charge at 5pm on a hot summer night, it will be a problem.
@@kcgunesq The way government policy works the network providers receive a guaranteed return on investment on network infrastructure, hence the accusation “Gold plating the network”. Networks evolve over time with demand changes, I don’t see a major supply risk due to network infrastructure. The main supply risk I see is due to government policy, ie Victoria banning all new natural gas extraction, the closing of coal fired power stations before reliable affordable on demand alternatives are in place.
@@steveallen1340 I can't speak to my antipodal cousins experiences, but in the US, while "gold plating' can be a thing to a limited degree, expenditures must generally be "prudent". So installing 3x or 4x expected capacity isn't typically done on most projects.
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Many of the high density cities do not have single dwelling houses with off street parking and the ones that do will they have multiple charging points because husband/wife/2 kids cars that are all now trying to charge at off peak rates? 7.2Kw is 30ampsx3/4 means 3 phase also required.
Thank you for all of the great work you are doing to make people aware of the many, many issues with the EV transition.
My main concern is that all of the problems and shortcomings you point out on this channel are “features”, not “bugs” for the Davos crowd pushing this nonsense.
They don’t want freedom of travel for the plebs.
this clip must be seen by as many drivers or car owners as possible. It holds so much truth ...when it comes to real facts! Unbelivable....
Keep up the god work, MGUY! EVs are stupid, ugly and dangerous. And the so-called "carbon footprint" is HUGE!
Carbon dioxide is plant food and without plants we are all dead.
The carbon footprint of an EV over the lifetime of the vehicle is considerable less than an equivelant ICE car.
we need carbon in the air to feed vegetation there is only .04% of carbon in the air if the carbon falls to .03 our plant life will start to die and so will we because plants produce oxygen
@@daydreamer8373 you mean the short lifetime of the battery.
Consider the depreciation on an 10 year old car and now you have a dead battery on a old car.
Can you still get a battery?
Is it financially viable to spend £15,000 to £30,000 on a car that is worth scrap value?
@@daydreamer8373 Wrong.
A single high voltage power line can carry less than 8 Megawatts. That means you'd need 2 for each group of chargers.
A typical large power station generates 1,000 megawatts so you'd only be able to power 65 groups of chargers at a time.
Or be like my mate. Has solar panels, a Powerwall. He & his wife both run EVs. They only rarely need to use chargers & that’s only on journeys.
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Nice plan if you have money.
@@DCBChump Yep it turned out to be better than money in the bank. May only break even or even make a loss if needing outside financing.
Very well done work. Here is a simple suggestion for anyone considering an EV, go visit your local University School of Engineering, and ask any Professor there is they recommend EVs.
I own a 2022 Tesla Model Y LR and I used to drive our Toyota 4Runner from St. Louis, Missouri to Chicago, Illinois once a month - 300 miles and it took 6 hours and 1 stop for gas and a potty break - 10 minutes and I'd arrive in Chicago with 1/3 of a tank - enough to not have to fill up immediately.
My Tesla has a range of 270 miles and it wants me to stop 3 times each for 15 minutes. That's 35 minutes more than the ICE car and I'd arrive in Chicago with 15% battery - needing another recharge.
That's just one way, the round trip takes over an hour more with the EV than the ICE.
Until this is fixed the EV is not something I'd look forward to.