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The Khan of Khan's is massively overlooked. He is witty, sensible funny and a beast warrior. Today we give him the respect he deserves
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Funny how some good writing and a bit of love can make one of the most obscure Primarch's a fan favourite.
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Why dont they ride horses
@@JammesJammes because horses can only get up to 1 horsepower, their stuff slaps about 10,000 more horses in there
@@Azzie420 space marine horses
@@Azzie420 also horses definitely go faster than 1 horse power
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Also make a videos about the machine god omnissiah
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The Khan: Has basic critical thinking skills
40k community: Jesus Christ what a god
Kind of what happens when pretty most of the conflict during the Heresy and all of current 40K is due to people jumping the gun and not fucking talking to each other.
He saw enough of that in his Mongolian tribes to be affected. That aspect is probably why he was so good in managing himself among his brothers, essentially leaders of other tribes.
my brother in christ that's exactly what the Imperium lacks
@@nestorgamer9746 Ollannius Pius was the last Catholic
@@collecter343 You just described half of all conflicts in human history. The other half is at least debatable on the point.
‘Every strategic sense I possess tells me that Horus will direct his forces to reave the planet and exploit our concern for humanity,’ said Dorn. ‘He does this expressly to divide our efforts. When we are split, and our warriors spread, that is when the Warmaster will fall on us and seize victory. We must stand united.’
‘Then you do not disagree with me,’ said the Khan. ‘The population is at risk.’
‘I anticipated slaughter long ago,’ said Dorn, ‘and I regret that his chain of events come to pass, but we cannot respond to whatever provocation Horus present to us. We cannot let ourselves be lured out. We cannot follow his plan. We will make ourselves weak, then all is lost.’
‘Since when was saving mankind from the darkness a sign of weakness?’ said the Khan, ‘Sanguinius, my brother and comrade, what do you see? Lend me your foresight.’
Sanguinius shut his eyes. Like that, he appeared drawn and tired, a funerary monument to himself. Dorn supressed a shudder.
‘My sight is not so clear as father’s’, said Sanguinius. ‘The Future is ever in flux. Only some events…’ He paused, finding the words hard to say. ‘Only some events are certain.’
‘Do you see me? What will be the consequences of inaction?’
‘I see fire, and blood, and a world laid waste if you do not act.’
‘If I act?’ said the Khan.
Sanguinius opened his eyes to look at him.
‘There is a grave risk to you. A confrontation unlooked for, and if you survive, a flight from one danger into greater peril.’
‘Who will I face?’
‘I cannot divine.’
‘Will I save lives?’
Sanguinius nodded. ‘Many.’
‘That is what I was made for,’ said the Khan. ‘I will ride out.’
- interaction between Chad-hatai Khan, Rogal Dorn and Sanguinius
Beautiful scene. This man alongside Vulcan actually care about the lives of men absolute Chad move
Seeing Dorn shudder just because Sanguinus is psychic makes me want to punch his model in the face.
Giga Chads have common sense
@@tamonk9054 I'm gonna disagree. I think that his point is to save the civilians is to also deny the enemies reinforcements in the form of Demons. But that's just my thinking
@@tamonk9054 then explain please.
Dude was cool AF, when his legion was split into supporting horus , he didn't execute the traitors , instead he gave them a chance to be front line troops to earn back their honour because killing his legion would also benefit the enemy.
when not having austism is super powers.
Yep If i were in his place i would have massacred them right there .
@@MusMasi that just seems like a wholly unnecessarily phobic statement
how is it phobic?
Mind he spared them because they all surrendered inmediatly save for one guy who hesitated too long and Khan cut him down on the spot.
My favorite Khan burn from when Morty tried to recruit Jaghatai.
‘And that is why you came to find me,’ said the Khan. ‘You’ve run out of friends. Who will stand with you against the aether-weavers now? Angron? What an ally. Curze? Good luck.’ The Khan gazed at Mortarion disdainfully. ‘You’ve tasted the fruits of treachery and found them bitter. Don’t drag me into your ruin. You’re on your own, brother.’
That is sick
I didn't know the Khan used Flamers.
@@iloveplayingpr Heavy flamers.
What book is that from?
@@tgeh448 Maybe Scars?
Jaghatai has always been one of my favorite Primarch's, specifically because Jaghatai and his White Scar's are surprisingly human in behavior. Where the Salamanders show compassion to humans, the White Scar's show empathy towards humans. One of my favorite moments is during the Siege of Terra of a White Scar finding an infant in some ruble and fighting tooth'n'nail to protect the infant and a lone Imperial Trooper in order to get them to safety.
Add into the fact he was on death's door for most of that time before making back to Imperial lines. He definitely earned my respect for that act.
Which book is this?
@@Fpwc2 Siege of Terra Part 5; Mortis
Best Jaghatai moment:
'Know this, son of Magnus. There is more under the arch of heaven than victory and defeat. We may fall back, but not forever. We may feint and we may weave, but not forever. We may yet be doomed to lose all we cherish, but we shall do so in the knowledge that we could have turned away, and did not.’
‘We remained true,’ the Khan said. ‘They can never have this, not if they burn all we ever built and scorn us through the dancing flames. You hear me? We remained true.’
I can’t find it atm but tbh my fav quote is when he offers to save magnus or asked him for the knowledge to do so
Incredibly based.
Such a cool lad.
When they called the Khan a savage, they were talking about his burns
For a man who is all about zooming around the battle field and killing xenos he's one hell of a patience man
He is the perfect example of "walk quietly and carry a big stick"
Making speed efficient requires concentration, which requires contol of one's mind, so it makes sense.
Hunting requires patience and quick action to kill the prey.
It's a nice duality that Khan has.
@@robertcusick9931 talk* quietly and carry a big stick.
From the Siege of Terra, I loved how during their duel, the Khan got the living shit kicked out of him by Daemon Prince Mortarion, but he taunted him the whole time and told Mortarion, that he was a bitch for giving in to chaos and it occurred to Morty that’s how everybody would remember him as. Not somebody who could endure the worst punishments, but as a weak coward.
Just be rest assured that Khan decapitates him in the end.
"Mortarion was still the greater of them. He was still the stronger, the more steeped in preternatural gifts, but now all that he felt was doubt, rocked by the remorseless fury of one who had never been anything more than flighty, self-regarding and unreliable. All Mortarion could see just then was one who wished to kill him - who would do anything, sacrifice anything, fight himself beyond physical limits, destroy his own body, his own heart, his own soul, just for the satisfaction of the oaths he had made in the void.
'If you know what I did,' Mortarion cried out, fighting on now through that cold fog of indecision, 'then you know the truth of it, brother - I can no longer die.'
It was as if a signal had been given. The Khan's bloodied head lifted, the remnants of his long hair hanging in matted clumps. 'Oh, I know that,' he murmured, with the most perfect contempt he had ever mustered. 'But I can.'
Then he leapt. His broken legs still propelled him, his fractured arms still bore his blade, his blood-filled lungs and perforated heart still gave him just enough power, and he swept in close. If he had been in the prime of condition, the move might have been hard to counter, but he was already little more than a corpse held together by force of will, and so Silence interposed itself, catching the Khan under his armour-stripped shoulder and impaling him deep.
But that didn't stop him. The parry had been seen, planned for, and so he just kept coming, dragging himself up the length of the blade until the scythe jutted out of his ruptured back and the White Tiger was in tight against Mortarion's neck.
For an instant, their two faces were right up against one another - both cadaverous now, drained of blood, drained of life, existing only as masks onto pure vengeance. All their majesty was stripped away, scraped out across the utilitarian rockcrete, leaving just the desire, the violence, the brute mechanics of despite.
It only took a split second. Mortarion's eyes went wide, realising that he couldn't wrench his brother away in time. The Khan's narrowed.
'And that makes the difference,' Jaghatai spat. He snapped his dao across, severing Mortarion's neck cleanly in an explosion of black bile, before collapsing down into the warp explosion that turned the landing stage, briefly, into the brightest object on the planet after the Emperor's tormented soul itself."
The Khan is by far one of my favorite primarchs, and it pains me that he’s so overlooked. I don’t think he’ll be the next loyalist primarch to come back, that honor will probably either go to Dorn, the Lion, or Corax, but there’s one very specific conversation that speaks of a legendary duel over 10 thousand years in the making:
(For context, Fulgrim, Sanguinius, Mortarion, and the Khan are having a conversation about why the Khan is not happy Horus is Warmaster)
“So should it have been you?” asked Fulgrim acerbically. Mortarion snorted again, but Sanguinius said nothing.
“I wouldn't have taken it,” said the Khan.
“Of course you would have,” said Fulgrim. The Khan shook his head.
“I have no use for another title. My people give me enough.”
Sanguinius smiled. “My brother, I think you are the most inscrutable of us all. I know what Rogal wants, and I know what Roboute wants, but even after so long I have no idea what you want.”
“He wants to be left alone,” said Fulgrim. “To shoot off into the stars and hunt down xenos on those delightful jetbikes. They're devilishly fast. I heard from a contact on Mars, Jaghatai, that you do strange things to your ships.”
The Khan shot him a heavy-lidded stare. “I heard you do strange things to your warriors.”
Fulgrim's slender face briefly flared with anger, but Sanguinius laughed.
“I wonder which one of you would win in a duel,” the Angel mused. “I would like to see that. You both handle a blade like gods.”
“Name the place, brother,” Fulgrim said to the Khan. “I'd even travel to Chogoris, if you built a palace to keep the dust from my armour.”
The Khan felt the insult. It stabbed at him, deeply, but his expression never changed. They could never know, none of them, how much their closed fraternity rankled him.
“You would lose,” said the Khan. Fulgrim grinned, but there was something fragile in it.
“Oh?”
“You would lose because you would treat it like a game, like you treat everything, and I would not. You would lose because you know nothing of me, and I know everything of you because you shout it from the turrets of your battle cruisers. My prowess remains unknown. You have some reputation as a swordsman, brother, but I make no boast when I tell you I would leave you choking on it.”
Fulgrim’s cheeks flushed. For a moment, he looked like he would go for his blade. As ever, Sanguinius’s calm smile soothed the moment.
“Now I regret bringing this up,” he sighed. “In the cause of peace, shall we put this stupidity behind us? We are not at war, and never likely to be, and that is truly a blessing.”
“Who’d have thought it?” said Mortarion to the Khan, a shrewd glint in his rheumy eyes. “You do have your pride.”
“As do you.”
Fulgrim was somewhat likable before his fall but also could be a prick, the Khan is awesome in this exchange and Sanguinius is like the brother everyone wishes to have.
Chad words.
my favourite primarch dialogue in all of warhammer
@@g.sergiusfidenas6650 Fulgrim was awesome before he got turned out by that slaaneshi daemon blade, but Khan is always awesome.
The burniest burn of all burns that ever was burned.
The Khan's burn on Fulgrim was so sick even Vulcan had to be like, "Goddamn, dude, that's too much fire."
Brings a whole new meaning to "strike while the iron's hot"
As a white scar player, it deeply saddens me that despite being one of the best dueling primarchs Jaghatai has never had duelist level tabletop rules.
Have they released rules for him in the new HH books?
@@doomguy9049 He does have rules in HH2.0, and somehow he got even worse than what he was in 1.0 against other primarchs. Mathematically, he's one of the worst primarch duellists... But so is Sanguinius apparently; he's in rough shape too. But Bobby G and Dorn are both in the Top 5 best duelling primarchs, sooooo. 2.0 kinda whacky.
@@tpot3679 1d4chan summed up the primarchs (1.0 heresy) as following: rulewise horus/leam/magnus beat everything except horus/leman/magnus, alpharius and lorgar are weakest(unless transfigured, then alpharius is the weakest), everyone else so-so, we'll see what they say for 2.0 versions. Lorewise it's much more interesting.
Not to mention, they sort of messed up his face (on the model that is).
@@ivanivanovic5586 Part of what hurts is that the weapon skill chart also changed in 2.0 (something I dont see many people mention), and Khan kept his measly WS7 from 1.0. Also Sanguinius is now slow in 2.0 for some reason.
Reason and pragmaticism is so rare in the Imperium and the 40K universe that Jaghatai having any amount of common sense basically makes him a superhero.
when your super power is not having autism.
Ciaphas Cain: "Mood Kindred!"
Remember that The Raptors exist
@Phantasm don't forget about the Reasonable Marines. Emperor bless those navy seals in the 41st millennium.
Those are lacking irl as well
To quote Ciapha Morag of the Death Guard, “You’re nothing but savages on motorcycles” I love the scars simply because they’re everywhere and nowhere at the same time, you try regrouping and reorganising you’re getting flanked from several different Axies, also the beards love the beards
Yeah fu manchu beards are always cool to me
Same thing that led to the reality check for Chinese and Europeans. Everyone saw the Mongolians as mere barbarians when in reality Ghengis Khan was one of the igniting key factors that brought Europe out of its Dark ages (by bringing new techs, govt systems, hygiene/ education etc- literally the world west of Europe was more developed than Europe at the time) and China to realize it hubris (China thought it was the only true Kingdom at the time).
@@thomasblanc3457 considering 1 in every 100ish ppl have his gene signature the man got a lot of breeding done, Ghengis Khan the first breeder... no wonder slanessh desires Jag so much
@@doomguy9049 if I didn’t hate having facial hair I’d grow one myself
The bridge battle at the climax of The Path of Heaven is one of my favourite moments in the entire Horus Heresy series. Jaghatai ripping out the Keeper of Secrets’ heart (Mortal Kombat style) is legendary
The VC in audio does an amazing job of his speech an battle cry as the plunge into the warp all the way through that battle imo
Finish Him!!!
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women!
Ah a man of culture
Yes!
You sound like the christian god before he insists that you take their underaged girls as child brides XD
and then ride bikes really fast.
Why would you let them drive? The wheel is MINE AND MINE ALONE!
Sanguinius: "I foresee at great burn coming."
Fulgrim: "I hear you do strange things to your ships."
Sanguinius: "Maybe that was..."
THE Khan: "I hear you do strange things to your warriors."
Sanguinius: "Nope, there it is!"
I love the double entendre: he's both calling him a heretic AND gay, suggesting he's fucking his own dudes. Salamanders can't burn with flamers, as hot as the Khan can burn with this words.
Corax and the Khan are my favorite primarchs. Would love to see them get more love in the lore.
I 100% agree
I just finished their books. They are much more interesting than most other primarchs, though Alpharius is definitely up there too.
Especially corax. In his book, he has so much love for his sons, and really fights for good.
a lot of them are pretty interesting and have potential but get over looked
I would recommend a novel "Hunt for Voldorius". Not in regards of the Primarchs, but it was fun reading about WS and RG cooperating in fight.
Ironically Corax has some interesting stuff, if I remember correctly he gets the literal blueprint to make Astarties
The Khan has something that none of his brothers truly had.
Strength of Character.
This was a man who held to his values and the reality before him above all else.
He was not one to pretend he was something he was not, he took matters with the gravity they deserved and the cause which he fought for before the hierarchy of the Imperium.
The Khan fought for humanity and was uncompromising on that score. He wasn’t a compromising politician like Guilliman or besotted with the Emperor and his vision like say Russ, Sanguinius or Dorn.
His ethos was unyielding when he served under the banner of Man, and he denied the treachery of Chaos with the same rigid sense of purpose.
I'd say he inherited the Emporer's moral compass. Yeah, the big E does some shady shit, but at the heart of his Lawful Neutral behaviour its all to keep humanity alive against impossible odds.
@@guyver441 yeah,of the primarchs,gman,corvus,the khan, sanguinus and magnus inherited the most human traits,not just kindness
Gman, inherited a surprisingly indomitable will,saving the inperium,ruling it and ultramar as justly as possible
Corvus desired to free people from terrible rulers,and hes also very nice
Sanguinus despite the dark angel souls volitility inside him was as kind as vulkan
And Magnus,despite his unquenchable thirst for knowledge and tendency to go past his natural limits,was part of why prosperos conditions were almost unheard of levels of well prosperity
Hell gman is one of the few primarchs who actually TRY TO BE BETTER PEOPLE. In the fight with morty,gman acknowledged hes not perfect and hes tried to better himself
Pretty badass
@@guyver441 plus while gman is compromising, he still has morals and is willing to do a lesser evil for a greater good despite the majority of the inperium is so messed up
Last time we saw Jaghatai Khan, he was busy speeding around Commorragh as he slain Dark Eldar with his cool bike and saw the familiar golden glowing light from Star Fyodo-peror who is having a meeting with Asdrubael Vect.
Ah, references to TTS will never grow old.
Fulgrim: "I hear you do strange things to your ships."
Jaghatai Khan: "I hear you do strange things to your warriors."
All Primarchs at the Triumph: "DAAAAAAAAAMMMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!"
sanguinius:not even i could foresee that holy shit.
fulgrim:....touche.
@lol bots Konrad Curze: I did and it’s still hilarious.
I read this passage and there's a lot of context missing. Fulgrim didn't mean it as an insult at the time. Since both Sanguinius and Fulgrim were curious about their mysterious brother who just sort of keeps to himself and doesn't talk much. And they're trying to get him to socialize.
So this was basically: "Hey Sanguinius, I hear Khan likes to mod his cars."
Then Khan was like: "I hear you fuck your men. SICK BURN."
Then Sanguinius does what he does and plays the peacemaker.
Just kind of made Khan seem like a dick in that instance. Khan might be one of the more unassuming Primarchs, but he still has that dick-swinging swagger of the other Primarchs and picks fights he probably shouldn't. When people saying he's reasonable, we're talking about Primarch standards. He still genocided an entire tribe out of revenge and wasn't afraid to do it again if his enemies didn't surrender. The Primarchs are temperamental war machines and there are times where even the most level-headed of them simply have no chill.
@@khylerbane4523 fulgrim:shut up shut up shut up!
konrad:ahaha! god i know my visions are making me batshit crazy but fuck me im laughing hahahaha
corax:he....ok it is a little funny fair enough
magnus:wait i dont get-ohhhh ahahah oh yeah that is funny
khan:*pulls out a pair of sunglasses for cool factor*
fulgrim:...this really cracks you up isnt it
sanguinius:.....so do we still not have a way to remove the butchers nails?
khan:...not really no.
sanguinius:...well shit.
@@afqwa423 Coming from Fulgrim it is a bit of a banter. Khan just comeback twice as heavy.
Majorkill you should do a video about what the roles of each primarch would have if they all stayed loyal I know other youtubers have made videos on this topic but your opinions could be wildeldly different from theirs I would love to see it
Same
Seconded and carried. This motion is complete, please do what op asked. I would watch and share that video.
Dude this idea is freaking perfect
I agree because I wanna know what the hell Mortarion could’ve been useful for
Yes
Edit: 69 likes, nice.
He is almost perfect. But his weakness is his rage. When he gets really pissed off, he makes reckless decisions. He himself knows of this. And tries to remain calm in all situations. His usual calm is not his natural self, it is a constant effort of his, in order to not lose sight and clarity.
Yet, when he loses control of his impulsivity, he makes decisions like genocideing an entire tribe, charging out of the safety of Terras defences, risking his life and other defenders morale by the death of a loyalist primarch, following dark eldar into an obvious trap etc. I mean, i doubt the eldar could do much against a pissed off to the point Angron would tell him to chill-super saiyan mode Jaghatai, and yet, even if thats the case, he got lost and has to deal with a memelord god. Abondoning the imperium when it needs heroes like him most.
Anyways, ehat im trying to say here is, he is unique in character because he knows his weaknesses and tries to manage them, and he does that without being an autistic piece of garbage like Dorn. And even still, he makes mistakes which makes him a relateable character. Not even his demigod biology can prevent him being human at times. Thats good writing yo.
always doesnt hurt to have an advisor or brother that went rhtough life death situations to help calm him down emperor doesnt have one big downfall as such others
That is also White Scars Gene Flaw
Chogorian Savagery
Khan is pretty great. I love his interactions with Russ and Sanguinius during the heresy.
I love the fact that during the Heresy it was the “speed freak” that stopped, took a step back, looked around, and took his time to figure things out before deciding what he was going to do. Something I’m pretty sure none of the other Primarks did. This proves the only time the Khan is a savage is with his roast.
The thing I love about the Khan is, even his "Lack of popularity and attention" within the lore community is lore accurate. That's his superpower.
The khans moment with the shard of magnus in Scars is amazing
When he ripped the heart out of Kairos screaming "LOYALTY IS ITS OWN REWARD" Chaos knew he was beyond their reach.
That was the Lion.
@@noneofyourbusiness2437 I guess the same could be said about the Khan as well
At the beginning he is so forgettable that you remember him for being forgettable.
And once you learn about him he is really really memorable
I actually discovered mongolian rock band "The HU" and the mongolian astetic is very cool to me. Ive actually writing a fantasy with a major playor being mongolian
The Hu is very mainstream, try to branch out, here are some starters:
9 Treasures
Tengger Cavalry (they no longer make music due to their singer committing suicide)
@@Filther-13 thanks ill try and look into it,
@@Filther-13 Mongolian folk metal isn't exactly what I'd call mainstream
I like the Hu, I prefer Alien Weaponry and Shepards Reign though.
@@Mare_Man
Oh you sweet newfriend
I can just picture the Scars on their bike riding the planes and listening to the Hu while the spirit of Ghengis watches from the eternal blue sky
Sad but true.
I wish we got to see more of the khan, he's one of my favorite primarchs.
It's a tragedy he's so underappreciated. People who call him forgettable haven't looked into his story to begin with.
GW needs to update White Scars' paint scheme or something to reignite the interest in the legion and their Primarch.
Or make special ranking units a different color, like the Dark Angels. I think there's a Terminator unit called the Ebon Claws
Because Jaghatai is a wild card. He never shows his full strength unless cornered. They need to make a story where a dire situation will make him use all of strength to fight.
Its the exact same thing with corax. He has some amazing lore, but almost no one knows about it because they see him, think EMO, and dont look further, so they never learn what a baddass he is
@@fearlessbird9422 They imagine him similar to Konrad. And thats a major mistake. Funnily enough, i remember hearing Konrad fucking hates Corax.
@@Darksky1001able Admittedly, Konrad hates everybody. Including Konrad.
The jaghati khan and mortarion rivalry is by far most underrated in warhammer
Can’t believe you never mentioned Jaghati picking up and lobbing a 30 tonne Deathguard Leviathan Dreadnought when he was in rage mode.
They even put it in lore that Jagatai is often 'forgoten', I think it was Russ had a revelation about it when he was calculating who will take what side.
The Khan is my second fave primarch, hands down xD Jaghatai vs Mortarion from Warhawk is honestly my favorite duel scene, not just in a 40k novel, but generally in novels (even including various great ones from the SW EU).
Spoiler warning for Path of Heaven
Yesugei’s final messages always gets me. All three were poignant, but the mental imagery of a primarch in absolute, Biblical-style, mourning is just something else.
The HH books have made me absolutely love the Scars. Everyone talks about the Salamanders and Vulkan’s humanity/compassion. But the Scar and the Khan lay it on the line for the teeming masses all the time. Whether it’s individual Scars, the Khan, or Szu, they all seem deeply real to me and they care about each other in a way I really haven’t seen in other legions.
I listen to the audiobooks a lot at work and there have been so many times I’ve been walking around and they just hit me in the feels out of nowhere and I have to pull it together b/c how am I going to tell a coworker that I’m crying because of 40k?
pls pass me the audiobooks :)
I think I finally understand what chaos really is in the context of 40k. Like chaos in it's normal state is like a pin ball going all haywire inside of the pin ball machine hitting and colliding with the walls and maze like obstructions inside of said machine making all kind of noises and a light show. It's entertaining and interesting to watch. Another analogy could be diffusion of potassium permanganate in water or bromine in air. On the molecular and atomic level in the case of bromine all the molecules and atoms are moving haphazardly and spontaneous in the fluid medium in order to take up space. Even Radioactive decay is a practical use of chaos due to definition of what half life is and how nuclear fission works.
Now in 40k, chaos is just a bastardization of the very concept of chaos itself. It's like if a group of hooligans go into said bar just to destroy the pin ball machine, then beat as much people in the bar and if they fail summon some demons to slaughter the entire town for no reason.
Then the imperium is a "solution" to chaos but it's akin to sawing of your arms after a jellyfish sting instead of applying anti venom to the wound or any proper medical treatment besides sawing going vrrrr.
You're on to something. 'Chaos' in Warhammer is lifted from Michael Moorcock's fiction, the difference being that in Moorcock there's always Law to counterbalance Chaos, but never actually defeat it since they both need eachother in the end.
Warhammer - being 'grimdark' - left the Law part out, but clearly there is a sort of 'Law shaped hole' in the lore, and it's natural that The Imperium is molded by that shape in some ways.
for me chaos like lae ke then living people in materium do bad stuff slaneesh comes in then bad things then khorne comes in etc etc emperor plan is breed more children more more more power live for the emperor maybe not die so early on so whos guide next generations then die then fight again jn tihe warp with emperor while they do decimate carnage and rip and tear oj n the level of doom slayer and make dormant state instead of waves and tides
so basically violence is the o solution to chaos spawns kill and kill until none left but remember to do fast and agresive atleast faster than chaos spawn chaos spawns
kinda ...
@@reikowallach2465 Chaos and order need one another to survive. If only order exist, everything will be perpetually stagnant to the point of imploding on itself. If only chaos exists everything will go tits up belly up like cockroach and explode all over.
@@jonathanathor117 Yup, that's exactly what Moorcock was going for.
The reason I love the Scars and the Khan is because of the books by Chris Wraight. It's some of the best stuff in the entire Horus Heresy series. Wraight even makes the other chapters look good, he even makes Eidolon awesome.
I'm set to go on a long trip next month, so I got myself a new book and decided to make it Warhawk, the Siege of Terra book that focuses on Jaghatai. I found his establishing character moment fascinating: after he finds out the Dorn sent a bunch of men out on a suicide mission, Jaghatai is angry.... but not because they were sent on a suicide mission. He's specifically mad that they weren't told the truth about it BEING a suicide mission. Jaghatai was convinced that the force would still have gone if they knew the truth, and that as warriors, they at least deserved to know what they were fighting and dying for.
Imagine if rylanor returned as a part of the legion of the damned
That would be freaking awesome.
“IVE RETURN TO EAT SNAKE A A A S S” - big purple box
@@nil981 I mantain there would be initial confusion on how they got a giant flaming Titan, before realizing it's a giant flaming Dred. Because Rylanor's spirit was just that damn big.
Emperor's Children: HA HA HA, NOTHING CAN STOP US!!! What... what is?...
Rylanor: *I'M BACK BITCHES!!!*
@@weldonwin Emperor's Children: NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Fulgrim: NOT HIM ANYONE BUT HIM!!!!!!!
The Khans response to Fulgrim is amazing "you have some reputation as a swordsman brother, but I make no boast when I tell you I would leave you choking on it." This in and of itself would make Jaghatai in my top three favorite primarchs. When you add everything else up though it's no contest as to why he is my favorite.
With the (likely) reintroduction of Angron to 40k alongside his World Eaters, I'm thinking if we might get Jaghatai back with his White Scars (otherwise Guilliman is going to be 1 vs. 3 against the Traitor Primarchs).
I think the return of Jagathai should be connected to the eldar, in particular through Cegorach's war on Slaanesh, so it would make sense for him to return with Fulgrim to 40k, so in either 10th or 11th edition, after a more popular loyalist primarch returns...
@@AdriWan Yeah, but with the Ynnari shelved, I think it would be a longtime before they will continue the fight with Slaanesh.
I think Lion is the most likely to return next. I have this feeling that the Fallen might be a 10th edition release reveal. It would certainly fit with the Horus Heresy release in terms of synergy. The Fall of Cadia and return of the fallen would pair really well.
I'm hoping corax comes back full doom slayer style
Pretty sure one of the space wolves books confirms that jaghatai and the lion are the next to come back.
One badass moment was Khan after beating and killing a greater demon of chaos went onto/teleported to a pissed off space wolf ship which Lemen Russ confronted him about the lack of help and how he wasn’t helped the Khan had no weapons and was hurt and bloody but still stood tall while Russ had his sword and Axe Fact to Face and all the wolves were aiming Bloters the Khan said “You can kill me if you want but my sons will ride on terra against the traitor legions it is there destiny” Russ laughed and let Khan go acknowledging that killing him was a point less endeavor there’s a great video by Wolf Lord Rho about it the Khan meets Russ
*dies from lack of punctuation*
Khan makes me wanna play White Scars ngl. He's that badass and well written
Bro the way you describe painting with white is exactly the way I feeling painting it. My first army was the tau and well we all know how painting your first army goes and then add on the white paint. I almost quit painting warhammer right then and there but then by the grace of THE GOD EMPEROR himself GW came out with 8th edition Adeptus Astartes space marine models. From there it was about the Dark Angles 🤫 and their secrets. Love your content and your charming AUSTRALIAN twist on telling warhammer 40k lore. 😁👍
Easily the best part of the Khan v Morty fight was after taking a massive beating from Morty, the Khan comments, spitting blood and teeth "Man, this is all you've got? I should've fought Typhus. That would've been way more fun"
I want to know more about everything that went into putting the lost Primarchs on their specific planets.
The stuff about Jaghatai and Fulgrim getting switched was the most interesting part of this video. I now want to know more about the faction Fulgrim was meant to take charge of, and how things were supposed to go for Jaghatai.
its kinda funny. I almost went ultramarine because they have my halo colors but in highschool I researched mongolia so when I found out about the white scars I decided to go with them as my army. the white is hard to paint but i still love them.
Glad this guy finally getting the shout out he deserves. He's always been my favorite Primarch, and when I first got into 40k I felt like the odd man out for that.
Hooray for the Great Khan! Also could you do a video of what if the Emperor failed in the Unification Wars and died? Would the galaxy be more at peace or in a worst state without the Imperium?
I find funny how being extremely reasonable and making thoughtful decisions gives the Khan an edge over most of other Primarchs, I mean, the emperor chose him to have the greatest power of all: common sense
11:27 I really like the relationship between Jaghatai and Sanguinius. Jaghatai clearly respects Sanguinius' opinion a lot.
One of the best series of books I've ever listened to are Jack Weatherford's books about Genghis Khan. His book "Genghis Khan and Making of the Modern World" gives you an appreciation for just how massive of an impact the Mongols had on world history. The founding fathers of the United States looked back to the Mongol empire for an example of freedom of religion. It's an absolutely fascinating series that you will not regret checking out.
I could agree more! For the stuff about the Mongols and religion, I'd recommend Jack Weatherford's "Genghis Khan and the Quest for God."
White Scars and Jagathai Khan are probably the best depiction of Xiongnu (Ancient Turco-Mongol) Cultures in the western fiction.
Palatine was probably based on the Fall of Greco-Bactria btw.
Majorkill could you please do a video about Ragnar Blackmane. Because I feel like he is another underated character that has allot of potential for the future of 40k.
He was done justice in the Space Wolves novels, mostly as a young marine climbing thru the ranks (with some shenanigans along the way) and smaller portions inbetween chapters as a wolf lord he becomes during, good read too.
I agree, his latest novels shows how really awesome he was, some of my favorite battle scenes
The only one who roasts kids is Vulkan.
I see what you did there XD
The Path of Heaven and Scars are some of the Best Horus Heresy Books in the Series!!!
Man seeing the quotes in the comments god damn I need to read more on the khan. He's extremely efficient at what he does but doesn't boast. He's like vulken where he'll do his very best to save humans if possible. And his wit is always fun to see especially his roasts against his brothers. If you guys have any recommendations for books could you leave them under my comment?
I’d love to see you do one of these for Perturabo! mainly because I want to hear your honest opinion on him as a character
Since when is calling someone a *Space Mongolian with a hard on for jet bikes* an insult?!?!
Pretty sure thats an amazing compliment.
Fire up the Mongolian throat metal
Jaghatai was the first primarch I heard of with Gulliman being the second. I loved the guy immediately followed up by Vulcan and Sanguiness. Vulcan for his kindness and Sany boy for his combat prowess.
Thank you for the” he didn’t turn into darth Vader” bit. I’ve heard way too many people call the badass that is the khan, a Mongolian Anikin skywalker
at my local we all knew white scars really well, as we had a white scars player that worked at our local GW in the 80's and 90's, that had the biggest white scars army in the world. He had his army on the back cover of white dwarf once, and it was like 200k points, or something, absolutely massive army (the army literally filled the entire page) and we'd always get the magazine out and say "who painted these, they're sh1t" :'D it would always wind him up, was great.
I put the Kahn right up there, but the MUVP (most underrated valuable Primarch) is Corax. He’s so good at stealth that even GW forgets he exists some of the time!
I love the Star Wars reference
The galaxy would be a much better place if each primach had the level-headed reasoning of Jaghatai Khan
and free hugs from vulkan
I stumbled on to a white scars book, and I was blown away by how cool they were. Changed my perspective for sure.
0:17 Ferrus Manus is quite uninspired as his Legion is literally named Iron Hands while his name literally means Iron Hands.
I love the way you always upload around midnight, usually just as I get home from work. Absolutely love it my brother!
'bout god damn time people started recognising the best Primarch
Thank you major kill for covering Jaghatai he is hands down was always one of my favorite primarchs it saddens me when I saw how little is spoken of him compared to his more popular brothers jagahatai is a beast!! As well as the white scars on a whole I dunno maybe I'm looking in the wrong place but it's hard to find decent lore on the white scars and their successors and I don't recall any youtuber I know who does cover them much other than Baldimort and you at times. If anyone knows where else I can find good lore on them please enlighten me 😁
Khan is cool, but Corvus Corax is the most underrated Primarch.
White scars are my fav 100%. Totally cracked up in an empty room to the paint joke!
Nicely done Majorkill :)
Personally since I love white spattered in blood and the thought of Mad Maxx warfare I really am debating on either going with a WhiteScar army or a Salamander one since you know "Burn baby burn!".
Use the speed
Super happy to see The Khan get his due! Easily my favorite loyalist primarch and loyalist chapter, besides the Minotaurs. Thanks for the dope video!
White scar in general would be way more popular if you didnt have to paint them in unworkable white
G'day Majorkill,
idk if you go back and read new comments on old videos, but I wanted to thank you for your telling of lore and funny explanations. I've been in WH40K for all of about 5 months now, and I'm getting close-ish to finishing my first army, being White Scars. You're explanations of the Scars and Jaghatai in particular led to my love of the space mongols. You're the best and I love to keep seeing your content.
Cheers from Kansas City
How about this for an idea.
If every species faction was united into one army.
All humans
All Necrons
All Orcs
All Eldar
All Chaos
You get the idea.
Who wins that battle?
Tyranids. Because they already are.
Tau crying in the corner.
@@reikowallach2465 I don't know, Every single Necron together might be able to take them.
@@Masso-gy9yu They certainly stand the best chance, and even if they wouldn't defeat them they would probably survive the ordeal, The Tyranids have the massive advantage of a head start and the ability to replenish their numbers.
Basically the only Primarch I’m actually interested in (not a fan of Space Marines), so it’s nice to know more of this guy.
His actual power is school grade
Having recently finished the released Horus Heresy and Siege of Terra novels, Jaghatai became my favourite Primarch.
What if the khan unlocked his warp powers, kinda like what happened to corvus corax
Now imagine that!
I feel like he’d literally just become a speedster
@@MrShark-gi7ii the khan just transform into a bike like a motherfucking decepticon
The scene where Khan rides with his sons at the Siege of Terra is some of the best shit ever. I don't remember who witnessed it but the astartes was just "Yup. That's what he does."
for me the real underrated primarch is fulgrim, hes kinda like magnus as one of those traitor primarchs that can be easily imagined staying loyal and has very interesting traits.
and potential but since he has long hair and cares about beauty hes just portrayed as a bimbo, hes probably the primarch taken less seriously by writters, being outright called stupid by narrators sometimes, and i see no one really get into it, i like the khan, but lets be honest, everyone and their mom has spoken about the khan as this underrated yet awsome dude, hes not really underrated anymore, its like that time where everyone spoke about black mirror or rick and morty like they were these super niche underrated series, when in fact they were just mainstream
The Khan is so cool and I love him, a 3 front force of White Scars hitting fast and withdrawing, Dark Angels seizing and using the beat weapons and tactics and the Blood Angels as the Assault force once the enemy is not expecting it or as a counter as assault force makes for the best tactical sense.
I found a pipe!
I found a liquid nitrogen!
@@collecter343 and I'm going to throw it at this giant Skeleton!
Thank you! The Khan is by far the most underrated Primarch. You did a great job!!!!! Again. Well Done!
ON BEHALF OF ALL 10 OF US WHITE SCARS FANS THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS MAJOR CHAD
I always love how they pit Khan and Mortarion together, I guess to go with the whole "Unstoppable force meets an Immovable Object" concept.
I dont really understand his burn towards fulgrim
Last year I got Ghost of Tsushima to play(and believe me it is one of the best games I’ve ever played) which got me invested in Mongolian culture as I cut down mongols. As such Jaghatai and the white scars have shot up to my 4th favourite primarch just bellow the big 3(Sanguinius, the Lion and Guilliman).
As a man who is attempting to design an alien race based off the Mongols, I can say with confidence I don't find the Mongolians uninteresting. "Knights are cooler than Mongolians" I hear you say? The medieval knights didn't carve out the second largest empire in history. (I don't hate knights, I love knights, I'm just saying.)
I think an important point that many people forget, is that the Emperor has Alpha+ mind control abilities. It seems like after leaving the primarchs to their own devices to return to Terra, his influence over them and their troops gradually started to wane. It's clear that when he was around everyone worshipped him with out question. But in the years that followed, more and more people and primarchs increasingly doubted him and some were even like, "what was really so great about him, F-that guy." While being increasingly affected by Horus's warp boosted charisma and extra strong primarch aura. Horus's officers literally had trouble looking Horus in the eye because it was so strong. As in, Abbadon used to stare at his own feet while speaking to him. I suspect the Emp's mind control use was part of why some of the primarchs were more easily won over then others was simply because some of them were more resistant to his mind manipulation then others.
I wish that White Scars had more of their own models, both in 30k and 40k.
My personal fav primarch is sanguinius but the khan is dope also this video made me realize that the khan in some way kinda looks up to sanguinius or really respects him I mean sanguinius was able to make him laugh one and he asked sanguinius if he could leave to save lives it just seems he really respects and cares for what he has to say
The ship battle in Scars sealed it for me. He is easily in my top 3 primarchs. Probably number one.
The Duel against Morty in Warhawk delivers some of the dryest, deep cutting burns its hilarious. Loved it. Nice video. Keep it on