BUUUSY Class Bravo Airspace at SFO -- AOPA FIRC | The Finer Points | Jason Miller

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    . For this Alaskan boy, the big city sure is... BIG! I've only been down town San Francisco once, and never done a tour of SFO from an airplane. Transitioning through the Class Bravo airspace was busy, but it was made easy with the pro knowledge from Jason Miller of The Finer Points.
    Having fun and flying around SFO wasn't the main purpose for our flight. In fact, it was just a perk. Jason and I were headed to a FIRC, Flight Instructor Refresher Course, which would be held over the weekend in Sacramento.
    Jason would be teaching the course. It ended up being an awesome weekend, focused on improving myself as an instructor, and recommitting myself to professionalism.
    We'd meet up at San Carlos, where Jason is a CFI. Of course, he travels around elsewhere, but his main school he's connected to is the San Carlos Flight Center.
    Our aircraft for the day is a Cessna 182, an older model. It was a great machine. We'd blast out of San Carlos and head up to Sacramento, but we'd first do a tour of the city. It's always nice having someone familiar with the area that can guide me, and so I can enjoy the sights.
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    It was a real pleasure flying with Jason. If you haven't heard of him, go check out his channel here: / @thefinerpoints
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Комментарии • 80

  • @angleofattack
    @angleofattack  4 года назад +5

    👋 Welcome! What is something new you learned about aviation from this video? Chime in!

    • @airmackeeee6792
      @airmackeeee6792 4 года назад +1

      Hi Chris, could you please re-state the difference between civilian and military regarding class D transitions. 🤔

    • @angleofattack
      @angleofattack  4 года назад +1

      Class D Airspace rarely, if ever, has an approach facility. They typically don't even have radar. In the case of the military, it seems if they do have an approach facility and it's named the same, then that would count as your permission to enter Class D. With Class D and C, all you need to hear back is your call sign, and that gives you permission to enter.

    • @airmackeeee6792
      @airmackeeee6792 4 года назад

      @@angleofattack cheers mate. All I ever remember about the difference between civilian & military towers was they had different sets of colours flashing at night!! 😜😂

    • @dw16025
      @dw16025 4 года назад

      ​@@angleofattack Check out 7110.65Y "The pilot is not expected to obtain his/her own authorization through each area when in contact with a radar facility." It's still widely debated and I don't believe there's any case law, so always good to ask.

    • @budowens6478
      @budowens6478 4 года назад

      Great job Angle of Attack, beautiful scenery!

  • @PhilMcGowan
    @PhilMcGowan 4 года назад +17

    2 of my favorite CFIs in 1 plane? Sounds great to me!

  • @mr.martintorres5804
    @mr.martintorres5804 4 года назад +11

    Just love it when you guys collab together with other YTers. Jason is just the best!

    • @angleofattack
      @angleofattack  4 года назад +2

      He is. I genuinely like him as a person and consider him a friend. Of course, he's a mentor as well.

    • @TheFinerPoints
      @TheFinerPoints 4 года назад +1

      Thank you sir! Super fun to have Chris in the FIRC!

  • @gobanshee1
    @gobanshee1 4 года назад +8

    Dude! That shot of Jason in the bank is AMAZING.

    • @angleofattack
      @angleofattack  4 года назад +3

      I really love capturing video but sometimes I miss shooting photos. There’s just something about photos and capturing a moment that I really like. Thanks for the compliment!

  • @GregJordan
    @GregJordan 4 года назад +1

    Fun video! Coit Tower that you flew over is a memorial to San Francisco volunteer firemen who perished fighting fires in SF.

  • @kadirbahadirs_
    @kadirbahadirs_ 3 года назад

    Following both of you guys! Great video, amazing views.. This is why we like flying! 👏🏼👏🏼✌🏼✌🏼🤩🤩

  • @Joeker1111
    @Joeker1111 4 года назад +10

    CLEAEEERRR!!!!

    • @angleofattack
      @angleofattack  4 года назад +3

      ClLllleeeEEEaaaAaarr!

    • @Joeker1111
      @Joeker1111 4 года назад +1

      @@angleofattack I stand corrected.

    • @WolfPilot
      @WolfPilot 4 года назад

      He started a thing with this. I am going back through all my videos and finding all the times I said that! CllllEEEaarRRRRR Prrroooop!

  • @joshharkness1286
    @joshharkness1286 4 года назад +2

    So from my ATC school. I believe even in the civilian world an approach controller can call the tower and initiate what’s called a “point out”. It’s essentially allowing a controller assume positive control of an aircraft that is in another controllers or controlling agencies air space. This would be done without the pilots knowledge.

  • @fishhisy
    @fishhisy 4 года назад

    Good to know about the Travis deal. I fly from Napa all the time.

  • @flybridep1
    @flybridep1 4 года назад +1

    I mistook Jason for you last summer at Oskosh (in the campground). In my defense, at the time I mostly just listened to his podcast, not as much his RUclips and had only just started watching your channel. I now watch both of you regularly!! You both have such great content!! Keep up the great work!!

  • @robincole5739
    @robincole5739 4 года назад +1

    Jason is awesome. True pro. Great instructor. Love Learn the Finer Points.

  • @quinncurley5230
    @quinncurley5230 4 года назад +1

    It is awesome hearing you guys talk about Travis approach flying out of nut tree in Vacaville we talk to them all the time.

  • @blackbirdpie217
    @blackbirdpie217 4 года назад

    Coit tower was a donation to the city as a tribute to the SF firefighters who worked the great San Francisco earthquake and fire in 1906. Its architecture is to emulate the shape of a firefighter's hose nozzle.

  • @paulburgess8527
    @paulburgess8527 4 года назад

    Was great to see SAC Exec again in your video. I grew up in Sacramento and visited the airport frequently dreaming of flying one day. Good info for sure and great views with Jason. I learned something new as well when you talked to Travis approach. Thanks for posting and collaborating with Jason on this. Great video Chris....CLEEAARRR!

  • @Eddie-ry1fy
    @Eddie-ry1fy 4 года назад +1

    WOW, just learnt something new today. Chris and Jason are different people!

  • @WolfPilot
    @WolfPilot 4 года назад +1

    Kick ass video Chris! I like the way the delta approach controller worked you. He was very friendly and accommodating!

  • @billnicholson2470
    @billnicholson2470 4 года назад +1

    Great video. Nice scenery. Looked like a fun time.

  • @showbizvet
    @showbizvet 3 года назад

    Great flight

  • @richardbates895
    @richardbates895 4 года назад +1

    Wow! That was a gorgeous video! Thanks!

  • @JodelFlyer
    @JodelFlyer 4 года назад +1

    Great video Chris. Stunning views and interesting chats between you and Jason. All very different to my flying here in the UK. Thanks for sharing. Tim

    • @angleofattack
      @angleofattack  4 года назад

      I would love to fly in the UK some time, though.

    • @JodelFlyer
      @JodelFlyer 4 года назад

      Angle of Attack If you find yourself here in the UK you welcome here anytime. 🙂👍🇬🇧 Tim

  • @Neumee500
    @Neumee500 4 года назад

    That class Delta transition stuff is a really interesting topic. The Opposing Bases podcast has a really good episode about it, but I unfortunately can't remember it, so had to do some digging elsewhere. Seattle-area legend and CFI Bruce Williams has a great blog post about it (link below) with links to the appropriate legal docs.
    TL;DR: the 7110.65 (ATC's version of the FARs) in section 2-1-16 instructs approach controllers they're supposed to coordinate class Delta transitions on behalf of VFR pilots on flight following, but FAR 91.129 and AIM 3-2-1 state the pilot has to obtain two-way radio communication with the controlling agency (the Delta tower). In the September 2017 issue of Air Traffic Procedures Bulletin, the FAA clarifies that ultimately, it's the pilot's responsibility to make sure they have the appropriate airspace entry clearance.
    Since initially learning that, my approach, when on flight following wanting to transition a class Delta surface area, has been to call up the approach controller and explicitly ask for coordination through the Delta or a handoff to tower. That way, there's absolutely no confusion.
    bruceair.wordpress.com/2017/10/19/transiting-airspace-with-flight-following/

  • @fugalh
    @fugalh 4 года назад

    Even in the civilian world it can work that way. Just a few miles south, heading to Palo Alto northbound through SJC Charlie - it’s not incommon for norcal to hand me off to Palo Alto and bypass Moffett tower even though we go through Moffett airspace. And Palo Alto extends pattern traffic into Moffett airspace all the time - all coordinated behind the scenes.

  • @747-pilot
    @747-pilot 4 года назад

    Nice!! Thanks for the trip down memory lane! I trained at KEDU (University), where I did my private and most of my instrument training. It was a regular thing to talk to Travis App right after takeoff, for flight following! Even the frequency ....pretty sure it was 126.6 ... is burned in my memory! 😂 KSAC and KSMF were a regular thing too, for "controlled airspace" practice. Very nice and laid back controllers, who were patient with my numerous "noobie" screwups, back then!! 😂 And yes, did the bay tour a number of times, and it NEVER gets old!! Although they can sometimes deny the transition when they're busy. I was denied twice on my way back from KSQL.

  • @TheFlyingStampede
    @TheFlyingStampede 4 года назад

    Super cool video as always! SF looks beautiful from the air. You guys should do more collabs, already looking forward to the next one!

  • @markmaccani9411
    @markmaccani9411 4 года назад

    Nice job on the video.

  • @vicluncinski5258
    @vicluncinski5258 4 года назад +1

    Another Great One !!

  • @matthewwalters1648
    @matthewwalters1648 4 года назад +1

    I’ve been told that even in the Civilian world, you can be cleared through Delta while talking to approach. This happened to me in Dallas when approach vectored me through a Delta. I asked if I needed to talk to tower and was told I didn’t that they were responsible for coordinating.

    • @alfieboy4022
      @alfieboy4022 4 года назад

      Matthew Walters yeah this happens often with NorCal and KOAK. They hand you off to tower only once you’re almost entering the pattern.

  • @Smalltownflyer
    @Smalltownflyer 4 года назад +1

    awesome video !!! Thanks for uploading

  • @robertclark4509
    @robertclark4509 4 года назад +1

    Im still hangin on Chris !!!!

  • @jtthill5475
    @jtthill5475 4 года назад +1

    Great views, great flight, great instruction. What more could you ask for?
    Thanks for sharing.

    • @angleofattack
      @angleofattack  4 года назад

      You’re most welcome! I guess maybe we could have had more food?! But food isn’t fun to watch, only eat.

  • @finnbennett3315
    @finnbennett3315 4 года назад +4

    I don't think I've ever clicked so fast on a video

  • @josephlashley9459
    @josephlashley9459 3 года назад

    I was watching an advertisement about the BOM attachment under wing backup for instruments. If you didn’t eye it, check it out?

  • @bensluman1263
    @bensluman1263 4 года назад +5

    What was the gas cap thing fine Jason learnt from you? I own a similar 1975 cessna and was curious as to what you taught him and was wondering if I could learn something too

    • @angleofattack
      @angleofattack  4 года назад +1

      Wish I filmed it, but we were busy trouble shooting. There was a spring that was kinda loose, preventing it from being tight. We wouldn't have flown, but we figured it out and got it fixed.

    • @airmackeeee6792
      @airmackeeee6792 4 года назад +1

      @@angleofattack sounds a little like the door covering the gas cap on a Hyundai I recently rented. There wasn't an internal lever or switch to open the little door when I wanted to fill up the car. It was one of those spring loaded doors you had to push on from the outside. Thing is that the spring on the door latch would remain locked unless the key was turned to the 1st click of ignition. Weirdest situation I ever saw!

    • @bensluman1263
      @bensluman1263 4 года назад

      @@angleofattack Oh right that's interesting aswell. I fly in the UK so watching your videos in Alaska is inspiring but also very instructive, also during this video the military airspace class delta taught me alot aswell as I am currently trying to learn the airspace system in the US. As always keep up the long videos and short ones aswell

  • @hamishkebb3550
    @hamishkebb3550 4 года назад

    Hi Chris Check out "opposing bases pod cast "
    An excellent and humorous pod cast about ATC.
    They have discussed at length. That if you are talking to a controller, they will coordinate your transition through other airspace such as class c or d.
    If in doubt they recommend just asking the current controller about the airspace in question
    Then there is a record on tape.

  • @jeffwilcox5953
    @jeffwilcox5953 4 года назад +2

    Very interesting convo w approach about the Delta. Jason said he learned something else from u about the gas cap. Did I miss that?

    • @angleofattack
      @angleofattack  4 года назад

      I replied to it in another comment. Essentially there was a spring within the gas cap that wasn’t allowing it to fully tighten and we had to figure that out before we were willing to leave. I was too busy helping him deal with it to really care about filming.

    • @jeffwilcox5953
      @jeffwilcox5953 4 года назад +2

      Yep, saw your other comment after I posted, sorry. Glad u got it worked out. 2 fun aviators, 1 vid. Looking forward to more collabs

  • @pdawdy
    @pdawdy 4 года назад

    Coit Tower is a memorial to the many firefighters who sacrificed so much in saving San Francisco after the 1906 quake.

  • @kestrel5065
    @kestrel5065 4 года назад +1

    Flying in England restarted CLEAAAR. Whoop Whoop

  • @KevinSmithAviation
    @KevinSmithAviation 4 года назад +1

    Awesome video Chris. You and several other RUclips personalities are such an inspiration. I am hoping to begin my flight training someday soon, and love to come here and get quality content and pointers. Keep up the great content and fly safe. I also have a very crazy question for you. What is the song you have playing at the end of this video? I have heard it somewhere else before and it eating me up that I can't figure out what it is. Lol

    • @angleofattack
      @angleofattack  4 года назад +1

      You’re most welcome! Glad you find it inspirational. Would love to help you out with ground school when you’re ready. Give me a shout!

    • @KevinSmithAviation
      @KevinSmithAviation 4 года назад

      @@angleofattack I will definitely keep you in mind for that. Thanks again

  • @66kbrown
    @66kbrown 4 года назад +1

    NIce!!!

  • @legoman5010
    @legoman5010 4 года назад

    What is the "gas cap thing" that Jason mentioned he learned?

  • @mikebeuselinck6138
    @mikebeuselinck6138 4 года назад +1

    I learned what my CFI was wearing at the FIRC. ;)

  • @bradb4101
    @bradb4101 4 года назад

    What was the fuel cap tip Jason referred to?

  • @mianatwood
    @mianatwood 3 года назад

    Lmao 🤦‍♂️😂 man showed the bay bridge footage and said “San Mateo bridge” I’m dead 🤦‍♂️😂 oh and btw I have been flying a bay tour for the past 2 months every weeke🥵😍😍 lucky me huh?

  • @thepilotblake
    @thepilotblake 4 года назад +1

    What is frequency cross over and why does it make that sound?

    • @angleofattack
      @angleofattack  4 года назад +1

      There’s a really tall and robust cluster of radio towers to the west of the city and I think it was just over powering because we are fairly close to it. Maybe it was just a perfect frequency that was close to something else, but it really messed with the plane. Once I switched to another frequency there was no problem

    • @thepilotblake
      @thepilotblake 4 года назад +1

      Angle of Attack thanks for the reply!

  • @bbt95762
    @bbt95762 3 года назад

    you were flying in my space, I've done that flight a number of times....re Class D...ATC is all you need, not tower

    • @angleofattack
      @angleofattack  3 года назад +1

      Yeah, we were more just curious about how it worked, because it was a little different.

    • @bbt95762
      @bbt95762 3 года назад

      @@angleofattack I think you had it right - Jason a little confused

  • @billryland6199
    @billryland6199 4 года назад

    Get rid of the long ad & I'll watch your video.