Dutch and German Police work quite well together. They even do mixed patrols. Here in Dortmund, ca. 145 km from the border (as the crow flies) we see joint forces at major events like the christmas market or football games with many dutch visitors. At international football games you also might see britisch, french or police from other countries around the stadium (depending on the participating teams)
The dumb cops today have no idea. Fifty years ago, during such pursuits, they shot out the tires from a moving police car. I followed it more than once on the police radio here in Dortmund.
Oh we have that here as well! During tourism seasons you'll see officers from Portuguese, French, Spanish, and Italian gendarmeries side by side! Portuguese and Spanish police forces also do joint patrols along the border towns.
for the best Dutch vids. the channel 'not jut bikes' makes good tuff. 'the car replacement bicicle' 'why the Dutch wait less at traffic lights' 'Amsterdam just got awsomer' ............................... and more.
pretty sure the polices are insured, and if they cause damage to your car - the insurance (by extention the tax payer) will cover it. also, our cops dont need to scratch someones car to place their gun, they dont need their guns that often.
interesting that americans mostly seem to worry about liability in these cases. This is not common in NL because we rarely sue. I'm sure the police officer returned to the vehicle, took his information and passed it on to his supervisor/police station and it will al be taken care of via insurance or the government, with an apology from the Police to the owner. Love this video, keep it up! Interesting to see other points of view
The police never apologize. Even in Europe, it is normal for the police to arbitrarily pin something on you and think they never make mistakes. It is possible that the poor driver was prosecuted for standing in the way of the police or provoking them.
One thing to note is, even after such a chase the police dont react like american police with drawing their weapons for example. Thats due to the fact that in general people are not automaticly considered armed because there are less weapons. Nice to know
Not necessarily. Austria has even more liberal laws to own weapons than the US. At least in many parts. It has much more to do with society and common sense. Also, through lower crime rates, people dont walk around with their weapons.
@@L0v0lup Places that have guns in Europe still don't allow you to carry them outside, mostly just inside, and there's less shootings overall it's nowhere near as common for officers to get shot in Europe as it is in America, so the response is very different, i got no issue with the US system and America as a whole continent has always been far more violent than Europe, i just think the officers should be wearing additional armor to convey them a greater sense of security compared to european cops, it's critical that the cops are well trained but also that they're protected enough that they don't need to be terrified of being suddently shot, i think it's nuts how many cops in America are just wearing regular uniform shirts
@pegamini I mean they're human beings, they got kids, wives, family, they're not lunatics who view themselves as disposable and are ok with dying at any minute, nobody is, you'd need to replace the force with machines to get that kind of tranquility in the face of death lol
As a dutch person, it's fantastic to see our fellow German police working together with ours. Also great that dutch and German are a very similar language.
Fun fact: in the border regions all first responders work together. It's quite possible to see German fire brigade, police or ambulance services in the Netherlands and vice versa. Some 20 years ago when the Enschede fireworks factory blew up, German fire brigades and ambulances and Army rescue helicopters sped across the border to come help.
Thanks for that reaction vid. I live in that german town at the boarder and I csn clearly remeber when that happens a few years ago. Not obly police is working nicely together over the boarder here, also the fire departments and the ambulance-services. An injured person (car accident e.g.) would be brought to the most specialised hospital in our region (Netherlands or Germany) depending on the injuries the person has. If there is somewhere a big fire, german and dutch fire departements work together across the boarder. And there are special trainings for all these services for dutch and germans together. One of the things I love about Europe!
I read in a comment of another video that when there was a disastrous big explosion and fire of the fire-works factory, german fire figthers realized that this incident was probably overwhelming for the local firefigthers and they sdnd w fire trucks that were very wellcome. Ofcourse there was also a lot of help from several dutch firestations.
Got another one for you: The Dutch land forces have just been entirely placed under German command, they are, in practical terms, part of the German Army. In return, Germany has placed part of their navy under Dutch command. There is a mixed British-German specialized engineer unit, and France and Germany have formed a common brigade years ago.
Correct. Most of the Dutch army has recently become part of the Bundeswehr (the German army). The two air forces also work together and the German naval battalion (say marines) are, I think, under Dutch command. The German navy also uses Dutch naval vessels again. So all in all, the collaboration goes quite far. And it must be said: the cooperation is going very well. I am very much in favor of it. As far as I am concerned, even more things are being harmonized between the Netherlands and Germany.
7:32 Did you notice the blue sign with the golden stars and "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" written in the center? That is where the actual border is, or not is. You dont even notice it.
yes, came to the comments to say the same ... border is right where the red car stopped on the right side ... did any american see this border while flying by ? :-)
@@Anson_AKB I’m German, live within a day trip driving distance to the Netherlands and I still had to watch it twice to really see the border sign - I was that caught up in the chase.
Your reactions to videos about Germany, the Netherlands or Europe in general are pretty entertaining, please keep up the good work!🔥 It's fun to see engaged Americans interested in other parts of the world and sharing their perspective on things.
The car that had a collision in the chase was not regular police, but marechaussee, the national gendarmerie force of the Kingdom of the Netherlands that performs military and civilian police duties. You can recognize the difference by the blue colour of the car.
really suggest watching one of the videos where the dutch police are escorting an ambulance through traffic. It's awesome to see how they manage to keep the ambulance moving without any unnessecary stops
In this specific case the police (neither the Dutch or the German) isn't liable, the Dutch MOD is. The blue police car is operated by the marechaussee (border patrol) which is a military branch in the Netherlands.
The Marechaussee is Military Police and one of their tasks is border security at our international airports and harbours. Another task is airport security at the whole Schiphol site. They also provide the guards for the King's palace and the official residence of the Prime Minister. They have no jurisdiction in civilian matters unless called in for assistence. Another fun fact, when operating as members of a combined "arrest team" they first have to be sworn in as "civilian" police officer.
The guy fleeing probably is liable. At least that's a pretty common outcome in German courts. Usually the damage is to police cars but I don't see why the same argument shouldn't apply to the car hit by a police car
Moin! Danke für die Kommentierung des Videos! Ich bin Hauptkommissar bei der Polizei in Norddeutschland und fand das Video sehr interessant. Die deutsche Polizei grüßt Dich. Mach weiter so! Hey! Thanks for commenting on the video! I am a chief inspector of the police in northern Germany and found the video very interesting. The German police greet you. Keep it up!
This was interesting to watch especially because I know all these streets because I live very close to Nordhorn! I looked up what the German (because the accident happened in Germany)law says about who has to pay when a police car drives into the car from a civilian in Germany and technically the one that they’re chasing has to pay for it not the police and not the civilian
It was a Dutch military police vehicle that did the ramming. Military vehicles (including the ones from the military police) are not insured in the Netherlands. The damage therefore will be paid for by the Dutch government.
I'd guess since it was during the chase, the Dutch police won't be trouble for the crash. Drivers in germany need certain insurances to get a car so the damage would probably be covered by it. I'd have to ask my mother for the specifics though since she works for a insurance company Edit: the dispatch lady has been referring to the German police as "Duitse collega's" which translated means German colleagues, so yeah that was the proper translation. (If I misspelled anything please correct me, I only know very little Dutch)
I also liked it to see how the Dutch and German police had worked together. We live in northern Germany only 28 km from the dutch border and had often seen cars on the Autobahn coming from the Netherlands and then the German one were stopped and checked by the police. I think many times they got a tip from the Dutch police about drugs.🙂🌺
Doubt it. They're probably just randomly checking cars. For drugs, yes, but just because they know some people go to the Netherlands to get weed which is not yet legal in Germany.
The 'colleagues' was a direct translation, yes. Here in Europe, everyone who has the same job is immediately considered colleague. (There are exceptions of course, but especially with 'high profile' jobs for lack of a better word, that's definitely the case.) Example: A podiatrist in Paris? London? Rome? They're my Bavarian mom's colleagues, despite having never met before. 😄
Police cars in the Netherlands aren't insured. Nor are any military vehicles. Any damages they cause in the line of duty will be reimbursed by the police force or the Dutch government.
Same in Germany. All vehicles operated by government authorities are not insured as the government takes liability for any damage done in the line of duty.
Police cars and ambulances in the Netherlands are NOT owned by the state and as such are insured. Might be a special policy at the insurance company though. Years ago when still part of the "Rijkspolitie" they were indeed not insured. Military vehicles are owned by the state and not insured as mentioned (mandatory insurance is waved by law).
nope. police cars are payed for by the interior & justice office (binnenlandse zaken justitie en veiligheid , before that they were insured at Apeldoorn insurances but that became to pricy ;-). police cars meet a lot of damage and criminals who don't know how to behave in a car.. @@JoeTuub77
Not absolutely sure about the liability but I would assume: The car owner of the mercedes is covered by the state/insurance on behalf of the police. And then the state tries to get that money back from the criminal.
yes, the owner just have to call the police station, give time and place of the crash (since everything is logged, they just need to confirm). Then it is paid by the state and they take the money from the one who was on the run. (this is all how I heard it from a former police officer, he did retire 10 years ago though, so things might have changed)
Pretty much what I'd say. The cause of the crash is the criminal (indirectly), so will be tried to be hold accountable. If not, insurance from the police department will pay. The car owner will only have to deal with some paperwork, not with the costs.
I think it is a bit more complicated. My dad is a police officer in Germany and he said the following: - please keep in mind that he is not an expert in road laws - In this case, the accident happened in Germany so German Law comes into play. First and foremost the law say the one who caused the accident is held liable. The police officers is excused from leaving the accident, but you are generally not allowed to do so. The accident itself was caused by the police officer, as the Mercedes was standing still at the intersection. Thus the owner of the Mercedes has now to report to the nearest police station and inform his insurance. The German court will then contact the Netherlands and asked them to pay for the damages done in the accident. This ends the story for the Mercedes. If the car thief has to pay for the damages is unclear as it will be determined by the court once an investigation into the accident has been concluded. They could be held liable, but could also not be.
@@vomm indirectly he is, as he's the cause for the chase in the first place. So the police will likely try to hold him accountable. But the thief might try to use the footage to proof that the crash was caused by inattention of the driver of the police car. In which case a court would have to decide as frogbound said. But the court could as well see a partial blame for both, the police driver and the thief. But still not the Mercedes driver.
Where the German A30 Autobahn crosses the border and becomes the Dutch A1 there is a services stop that straddles the border half and half. There a big German Police building there with lots of cars. Two weeks ago, I was sitting in my car in the car park there taking a break on my way back to the UK and watching. There’s a constant crisscrossing of Police cars across that border. I think once they reach that point the only way for them to turn to go back is to cross into the other country first. 😃🇳🇱🇩🇪
@@daseteam yes, right of the red car at 7:32. and i saw no german police until later at 8:04 (one, and not lots of them). the white cars with diagonal red and blue stripes all are from NL, while german police had the blue and yellow stripe along its side.
Oh you surprised me, I've lived in Nordhorn for 30 years and know the streets there. At 7:30 you can see the Tensundern border shops on the left and a little further on the right the old customs buildings. 8:40 the German police are insured by the state. The driver gets his damage compensated by Germany even if he was rammed by a Dutchman. Reason: From the border it was a German operation.
One problem with not chasing is, it encourages to flee. When it gets known that police won't chase if you run, suddenly no one will stop for police. As a result you are forced to take certain risks, because if you don't you create a culture of running from the police.
There is lots of cooperation between Dutch and German police. I live about 25km from the German border and here we actually have combined patrols. So a German and Dutch police officer are in the same car. This necessary because in the Netherlands German officer are only allowed to assist, they may not arrest anybody and vice versa. That's why in the clip the Dutch officer were reminded that they were in Germany and thus the Germans were in the lead. Boh in Germany and the Netherlands people are not allowed to carry weapons, but police obviously may do so. Until recently however German officers were not allowed to carry their gun in the Netherlands, but since a couple of years they are allowed to do so. So you can find Germans officers carrying guns here now, although I rarely do. It used to be completely different. When I was young there was still a fysical border. Where was a gate and border patrol. Only if they opened the gate you could pass. At that time Dutch police was not allowed to continue a chase into Germany. Nowadays in summer in the Dutch sea resorts German police also patrol the beaches even though it's not even close to Germany, but there are lots of German tourists and so German police assists. During the Christmas season lots of Dutch go to the famous Christmas markets in Germany and there they might meet Dutch police helping the Germans. Dutch and German are similar languages but even so it's easier to have someone speaking your language. I do teach at a High School and we do have students who are German and still live in Germany and in German High Schools you might meet Dutch students living in the Netherlands but attending school in Germany.
Where there now is good cooperation with police forces on either side of a border, there once was a time when in Holland we had city police and rijkspolitie (responsible for policing small villages). In case of chasing a vehicle, city police had to stop the chase before rijkspolitie area and vice versa :-)
> Nowadays in summer in the Dutch sea resorts German police also patrol the beaches even though it's not even close to Germany, I bet lots of them want that job ;)
The Blue police car which ran into the Mercedes was Dutch Military police car: all white police cars were normal Dutch police cars and the Yellow/blue silver police cars are German. The Dutch Military police is always visible and invisible active at any border crossing between The Netherlands and it's neighbors like Germany and Belgium. Yes the cooperation between the three police forces of Germany, Belgium and The Netherlands work very intensively together as one police force, which is an excellent example of how this should be done. When the police crosses a border their jurisdiction is still there but under guidance of the local police. Of course before any police will cross any border the local police should have been informed before the border crossing is a fact. So dispatch is coordinating everything and these are the police people whom will get in to contact with any police force across the border. These chases happen from all sides in to all countries so the local police will be waiting on the criminal trying to escape across the border, in fact criminals are doing the police a favor trying to cross the border because as of that moment not just 1 police force is trying to get this criminal, but at least 2 police forces and it has happened down south in Zuid Limburg that 3 police forces were involved to catch criminals. since the three borders are so close nearby in Zuid-Limburg. Having 3 different police forces well coordinated in high speed pursuit looks like all hell broke loose and usually they all bring Dog brigades with them in case this smart ass criminal tries to flee on foot... You may start wondering what your leg looks like after (several) police dog attacks...
There is a lot of cooperation between German authorities and other neighbouring countries. For example, German police officers have recently been allowed to travel as far as Austria to carry out border controls on rail traffic towards Germany in order to apprehend possible illegal refugees. Or there is also cooperation with Polish authorities in relation to stolen goods. Turkey (which is not a direct neighbour) has also helped some German police officers in the past. For example, in the case of the Enkeltrick fraudsters who work in Turkish call centres and cheat elderly people out of their money. Since the driver is driving on German territory, the German police officers also have the power of command. The Dutch police officers are then only allowed to drive behind. If the German officers catch him, he will probably be handed over to the Dutch police. If he harms someone else in Germany, he will also be charged with a crime in Germany.
Eh, whole lot of difference between American and Dutch/German law enforcement and how it is judged. Your judges are chosen by election. Not so in Germany and the Netherlands, they are appointed and ALWAYS are lawyers. It is a job like any other job is supposed to be.
If the police damages something than they just pay for it. In this case the car was of the Koninklijke Marechaussee (Royal Gendarmery/ military police) so the ministry of defence will pay. In this case the crash happened in Germany, so German laws are applicable. I assume in Germany it will be the same. I would think that Dutch police in Germany are legally not even police. But surely this is all written in the treaty that makes this kind of cooperation possible.
The car that was in the accident is Marechaussee (blue with police stripes). And in a flash you could see that just after the accident it had stopped, and on the radio they talked about it, 'no injuries' was concerning that incident. As far as I know, the governements' insurance will cover it. And the insurance company will probably try to get the money back from the idiot driving the van.
Germany and the Netherlands are having are deep collaboration in many things. A couple of weeks the German chancellor, the Minister of Defence and their Dutch counterparts signed an agreement to integrate the Dutch army into the German army. The founded the so called Verteidigungsunion (defense Union)
And are an example about how to agree to disagree, there is an undefined border between the country where each country think a part belongs to them. A very good example how to solve those issues in a grown up manner.
In Germany the suspect needs to pay the damage. Because it happened of the action the suspect did. If the suspect manages to escape then you need to pay it by yourself.(insurance)
9:46 that dog is NOT a sniffer, it's a biter and holder of persons that messed up like the driver of this van, usually making it VERY easy to chase down such a suspect if an attempt is made to run away after getting stranded.
Zeer vergelijkbaar, maar toch echt wel een beetje anders. Ook niet dat gedoe met naamvallen, wat het toch allemaal wat makkelijker maakt. Zum beispiel.
@@chubbymoth5810 I'll give it a try. Without knowledge of Dutch or the help of the google translator, only on the basis of how the Dutch words sound in my german ears: "Sehr vergleichbar, aber doch echt ein wenig anders. Auch nicht dieses getue mit „Namen die fallen“, was es doch allemal etwas „ makkelijker“ macht." "Very comparable, but really a little different. Also not this fuss with "names that fall", which makes it very much "makkelijker" (I can't think of a suitable German term)." Am I very wrong? ;)
@@hofkapellmeister6676 Sehr gut gemacht. Naamvallen = grammatischen Fällen(?) Die Den Das Uzw Makkelijker = einfacher So basically Dutch is a bit easier...for the Dutch...because we don't have to deal with all the rules around Die Den Das.
@@socialworld1372 Oh cool. Apparently I should study Dutch a little more. Too bad it wasn't offered in my school, even though it would have made so much sense but nice that there are now apps for almost everything: Les #1 “goede avond en goede nacht” 😉
This van’s driver is nuts. He’s crossing uninterrupted road markings that according to European traffic laws mean you’re not allowed to cross or even drive over with one wheel unless it’s a dire emergency, like trying to avoid a head-on collision. Other road users driving in the opposite direction assume their lane will be free and the risk of a head-on collision is real. Additionally the van is driving at breakneck speed of 100 kms/hr in a residential area (highest speed 50 kms/hr -> 31 mph and nowadays often as little as 30 kms/hr -> 18.6 mph) is criminal. Not to mention driving over a raised lane divider at an intersection. That driver is in for some major charges next to auto theft.
ok considering no one is actually awnsering your question the car was stationary stopped by cops and at a trafic light and not trying to impeed the chase; then got hit by a moving cop car ( gerndarmerie ) if you look moments later that same cop car was stoped just as soon as the space was enough and cleared ( and cause its front end was literrealy on the floor ) and was probably going to get the information for the insurance clain with the merc owner. the car sitting at the light will get fully covered by the insurance company the cops/millitary/ use. shit happens ; its part of the job, but cops in europe will not let an inocent bystander take the blame for an accident they are not responsible for. on the other hand ; we also understand that shit happens and usually wont sue the cops for some low level random accident like that one. ( the owner of the merc will prbly get breathalised just a routine procedure ; maybe even drug tested at least in france they would ; but if clear ; its just paper work going to the insurance companies. ) oh ; and cops try and not use private property as cover;then again ; we dont sell guns like cupcakes so we dont have the meth addicts runing around with guns problem you do .. ; and we dont act like entitled idiots all the time; thus cops dont have to use our cars as shelters ; and if they do once in a blue moon ; the insurance will cover it. shit happens as i said.
A couple of days ago French police were in pursuit of a French car that drove all the way to the Belgian capital Brussels (which is quite far from the border). But the French police kept following the car, and were later joined by Belgian police. These international cooperations are very common, and criminals should know that crossing a border won't bring them to safety.
During the summer of 2022, the Dutch national police was also in France with their Audi A6’s. Also in collab with the French due to the huge amount of dutchies traveling south.
If you get into an accident with a police car (and you are not to blame), you can call the responsible department and they will sort it out. The officer is not liable, but the department is! But you can be sure, that the police will try to get their money back from the criminal in this case.
When you get into an accident with a police vehicle in The Netherlands there will always be an independent investigation. Was there permission to use the lights and sirens, were driving faster than the allowed 40 Km over the speed limit, in other words did the driver did everything according to the guidelines. If not, the driver might face prosecution.
I'm quite shocked by the fact that the US police aren't liable. I've recently learned that they also don't have to put themselves in any danger while doing their job. That's unheard of in the Netherlands.
Very good video Joel! I wonder how often this occurs in Europe with the countries so close? Good to see they have great communications with each other. Well done!
It happens and the reason why the police can continue following a criminal even after crossing the border is not because they are in the European Union, but specifically because they are in the Schengen Area. For example, Slovak police and Hungarian police often work together like this, now it occurs often with vans illegally transporting refugees. They often go through Hungary to Slovakia with Germany as the destination and there were cases when the two polices were chasing a car together. They also work closely together when there are, for example, international football matches between Slovak and Hungarian teams/ national selections, because they are high risk because of our history. Last month, they caught some drug dealers together in both countries and they have also solved a murder and caught the murderers (one Slovak and one Hungarian) together.
@@jennyh4025 Belgium, Netherlands and Luxemburg are working extremely intensely together in a lot of manners, even more so then all the rest of Europe...
At Oktoberfest (the munich beer festival) there are allways, of course, german cops. But as well some colleagues from other EU-staates. E.g. form Italy. Most problems happen with groups of young drunken men and these people show more respect to uniforms they know and a language they speak everyday. For sure: German law counts, german cells are used in case and german cops made the final arrest if necessary. But the support by forign colleagues is a great way not only to talk to drunken people, but as well for calming down a situation and avoid misconceptions. Laws are not equal within the EU-states and the punishment or fine differs from state to state. But overall it is the same what is considered as a crime. Not only by law but as well by common sense: You dont steal the wallet of a drunken person, you dont beat people with huge beer-glasses, you dont tuch women agains their will. Soi it workes without any problems, to invite some colleagues form other states to join german cops in Oktoberfest-patrols. BTW: At Oktoberfest 2022: 5.7 Million visitors within 16 days. Police operations over all: 1819 Identified crimes: 967 Arrests: 376 Due to: - bodily harm: 244 - Beating with huge beer glasses: 35 - Sexual offenses: 55 of which rapes: 3 - Drugs (including and mainly weed*) 184 - Theft: 214 - attacs on cops/resitance: 54 - DUI: 572 *weed is illigal anywere in the EU. But it most states accept some minor amounts. Not so Baveria. There everything is completely forbidden. So this is a major misconception for tourists: They think, that it would be ok, to smoke and have some minor amount of weed. As it would be ok in Spain, France, Italy, the Netherlands... And in northern Germany as well. But not in Bavaria!
Thanks for the reaction. I've seen this police chase multiple times, and every time I'm on the tip of my chair. Your question about who is gonna pay for the ploice car crachin to the Mercedes: insurrance. Besides that was not a normal police car (well it was) but one from the 'marechaussee' (like state police). The coorporation between the Duth police and the German, and Belgian too, is very good.
The Dutch vehicle was not police, I think it was Dutch border patrol. In any case, the German state (state, Germany is a Federal Republic, so Lower Saxony or North Rhine-Westphalia) is liable for any damage caused to bystanders. Insurance claims and everything is then handled between the German state and the Dutch police department, but as a civilian you file your claims again the German state. This is part of the "German-Dutch Police and Justice Treaty". Germany has similar treaties with all bordering countries, except Sweden, as there is no connection by land.
Koninklijke Marechaussee is military. So the Dutch Ministry of Defence will pay. ;-) LOL ask German farmers, they have experience from the 70's and 80's
We heard you Joel, fessing-up to this crime!!! Great seeing the Netherlands countryside again. Here in Canada the police would cover those types of damages. I don't think that it would much of an issue. It's probably similar in the EU. Tell us, which judge treated you better, the Dutch one or German one? 😜 John in Canada
The translations are very good. In anwer to your question about the mercedies incident, in the Netherlands police cars and ambulance have priority but that doesn't mean they are never liable, it depends on the situation (i.e. was the car impeding in any way).
To answer your questions, yes the translations are spot on. The police will be liable, he crashed into the car while it stood still, unusual situation for the car. He wasnt trying to block, just not get in the way. Person will be compensated for their damages, thats it, no law suit or criminal case just unfortunate
The Netherlands and Germany are great neighbours, we might make jokes about each other but generally we like each other. Except during Football (your *soccer*). We hate each other during European or Worls Cup.
the translations are 95% correct, in most of Mainland Europe Police Officers are able to pursue into other countries because of Treaties with the federal governments and local police services
Hello Joel, I love your videos and your reactions. One question: which American dialect do you speak? Greetings from Wiesbaden, Hesse, Germany. PS: US Army Garrison Wiesbaden The home of U.S. Army Europe and Africa Headquarters is here.
Concerning your question of liability: This is regulated in Article 43 of the Convention Implementing the Schengen Agreement as follows: "1. Where, in accordance with Articles 40 and 41 of this Convention, officers of a Contracting Party are operating in the territory of another Contracting Party, the first Contracting Party shall be liable for any damage caused by them during their operations, in accordance with the law of the Contracting Party in whose territory they are operating. 2. The Contracting Party in whose territory the damage referred to in paragraph 1 was caused shall make good such damage under the conditions applicable to damage caused by its own officers. 3. The Contracting Party whose officers have caused damage to any person in the territory of another Contracting Party shall reimburse the latter in full any sums it has paid to the victims or persons entitled on their behalf. 4. Without prejudice to the exercise of its rights vis-à-vis third parties and with the exception of paragraph 3, each Contracting Party shall refrain in the case provided for in paragraph 1 from requesting reimbursement of damages it has sustained from another Contracting Party." This means: The damages to third parties (here: the Mercedes owner) are reimbursed according to German law by German authorities. The Dutch state would then reimburse the German authority for the damages. So what does German law provide? This is a question of whether the damage had been caused negligiently or not. If yes, a compensation claim would derive from section 839 of the German Civil Code (BGB) in connection with Article 34 of the German Basic law (the federal constitution). If no, the damage would nevertheless have to be compensated on the basis of section 80 of the Police Act of Lower Saxony (Lower Saxony, Niedersachsen, is the German state where the damage occured). In any case, the State of Lower Saxony would have to reimburse, not the Federal Republic (because policing, also as law enforcement, generally is a state matter in Germany; the states also implement federal laws). According to the German Federal Court of Justice (Bundesgerichtshof), the state would then, in general, have a compensation claim against the registered owner of the stolen vehicle - there is a strict liability clause, however, in this case, the vehicle had been stolen, which excludes strict liability. Nevertheless, the state could sue the thief for reimbursement, but it is doubtful that there is "much to get." So finally, the State of Lower Saxony would have a reimbursement claim against the Kingdom of the Netherlands under the provision I initially mentioned. If the Netherlands would refuse payment, the case would be heard in a Dutch court.
Do you see that, contrary to America, the suspect doesn't get beaten up by these officers like the LAPD killed Rodney King or the madman who killed George Floyd? That's civilized behavior for you. Always staying professional and let a judge decide what his sentence will be.
"On the basis of Article 18 c) of the 1985 Schengen Agreement, Article 41 of the 1990 Schengen Implementation Agreement allows the pursuit of suspects to continue on the territory of another Schengen country without first obtaining the consent of that country. Given the abolition of border controls between the signatory states to the Schengen Agreement, hot pursuit was introduced to combat crime effectively. However, the pursuing officers of a foreign nation state only have limited powers at the point of entry. Firstly, it must be a police measure in the area of criminal prosecution or the execution of a sentence, carried out by police or customs officers, and the local police cannot be notified in time or are not on site in time to take over the pursuit. The foreign officers can only detain the person. Arrest is the preserve of the local police forces. They may only act within a geographical or temporally limited area in relation to the state border or the time of crossing... " Wikipedia, German article "Nacheile" - google translation. It would also somehow not make sense if the police or customs had to let a suspect flee just because he crossed the border.
09:05 Idk what they're saying, but it's not 1:1 translations, because the dispatcher mentioned XXXLutz which is the company the parking lot belongs to.
Police is liable, that is what Insurances are for. It was an Accident in Action, no big deal. The Inssurance for the Police in europe is the STATE (so the COUNTRY itself). If a German Police would crash accidently into your parked car, GERMANY pays you this.
Meanwhile in Britain -well boys that’s another job well done - but sir we let them get on the boat -I know that… But they’re France’s problem now. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
The blue background colour vehicle @ 8.33 , striking the Merc , belongs to the Koninklijke Marechaussee , the NL Gendarmerie force. These are effectively military police, also being trained soldiers , with full powers over civilians , unlike the UK Service Police forces , which only have jurisdiction over Armed Forces personnel. They will compensate the owner.
Hi, I am a Dutch person. The car accident at the end was with the Royal Marechaussee (Dutch military police) and not a regular police vehicle. The car inflicting the damage is always liable. In a chain accident, each car hitting another car is liable, even if it is clear who triggered the accident. The translation is pretty good. I would have translated it as “the German collegues stand at the ready”.
Well.... The Dutch 'police vehicle' in the accident was of the Koninklijke Marechausee (Royal Dutch Military Police). So the criminal did not only have Dutch and German police chasing him, but also the Military police. In this case, of the accident: the Dutch Department of Defence will pay for the damage, and try to get it from the suspect by legal system.
Ist's quiet comman for the boarders to work together not just the Dutch/German also Danish/German and the Polish/German Police. Is it not between the US and Canada? .
Until about 18 years ago, the Dutch police were allowed to chase as far as the border with Germany. After the border the suspect was free. Due to the Schengen Treaty, there has been free movement of people, goods, services and money between the Member States since 26 March 1995. So the suspect was allowed to enter Germany freely. But the Dutch police were not allowed to do that. Since September 1, 2006, the Dutch police have been allowed to pursue further than the border with Germany. And the German police are also allowed to pursue in the Netherlands
Did not scroll through the answers but the (Armed Forces) Police (aka Dutch MOD) is liable, although 'liable' is a stong word. Damages will be payed by the Dutch govenment through the insurance of the damaged car.
8:35 Because the persecution was in Germany, but it wasn't a German police car, and the persecution started in the Netherlands, we would have to rely on the international laws of Europe, which states that in a chase it is the perpetrator's responsibility that nobody gets hurt , or items will be damaged. means the fleeing is guilty. Another example: if a police officer in a bank robbery tries to shoot one of the perpetrators, but hits someone else who dies as a result, the perpetrator is also guilty of death, and will therefore also be charged with murder. (I am from Germany and i study law)
who will pay? if the Dude responsible for the Chase has insurance: this Insurance will pay even if the Damages were done by Police to uninvolved People. if the Guy is not insured: the State will pay, in this case probably the german state since, as far as i know, dutch Police under german lead has the same Authority as german Police and the same rules and regulations. generally: "Völlig unbeteiligte Dritte, die einen Schaden erlitten haben, können Entschädigung aus Art. 70 Abs. 2 PAG neben der Amtshaftung begehren." if you have damages from a Police pursuit and you are a uninvolved 3rd party(wich this Mercedes probably is ;) you get your repair payed almost immediately after estimation of the damages.
Dutch and German Police work quite well together. They even do mixed patrols. Here in Dortmund, ca. 145 km from the border (as the crow flies) we see joint forces at major events like the christmas market or football games with many dutch visitors. At international football games you also might see britisch, french or police from other countries around the stadium (depending on the participating teams)
Grüße aus Lünen. 😉
Willst du mal lachen? Ich habe 30 Jahre lang in Nordhorn gelebt. Kannte jede Strasse im Video
The dumb cops today have no idea. Fifty years ago, during such pursuits, they shot out the tires from a moving police car. I followed it more than once on the police radio here in Dortmund.
Dutch and German police forces are very close. They work together all the time.
Oh we have that here as well! During tourism seasons you'll see officers from Portuguese, French, Spanish, and Italian gendarmeries side by side! Portuguese and Spanish police forces also do joint patrols along the border towns.
About that crash with the two cars: in cases like this, the Police usually pays for any damage done. Without any problems.
4:17 They went 100 in a 30 zone.. thats crazy
Yep. Direct translations.
for the best Dutch vids. the channel 'not jut bikes' makes good tuff.
'the car replacement bicicle'
'why the Dutch wait less at traffic lights'
'Amsterdam just got awsomer'
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and more.
pretty sure the polices are insured, and if they cause damage to your car - the insurance (by extention the tax payer) will cover it.
also, our cops dont need to scratch someones car to place their gun, they dont need their guns that often.
interesting that americans mostly seem to worry about liability in these cases. This is not common in NL because we rarely sue. I'm sure the police officer returned to the vehicle, took his information and passed it on to his supervisor/police station and it will al be taken care of via insurance or the government, with an apology from the Police to the owner. Love this video, keep it up! Interesting to see other points of view
The police never apologize. Even in Europe, it is normal for the police to arbitrarily pin something on you and think they never make mistakes. It is possible that the poor driver was prosecuted for standing in the way of the police or provoking them.
@@vomm BS
@@vomm what moon do you live on? No idea, but lots of it.
@@vomm if that is the standard reaction police officers act towards you.... maybe just maybe... work on your own attitude?
@@vomm Multiple times they did to me actually. In the Netherlands and France.
One thing to note is, even after such a chase the police dont react like american police with drawing their weapons for example. Thats due to the fact that in general people are not automaticly considered armed because there are less weapons. Nice to know
Not necessarily. Austria has even more liberal laws to own weapons than the US. At least in many parts.
It has much more to do with society and common sense.
Also, through lower crime rates, people dont walk around with their weapons.
@@L0v0lup Places that have guns in Europe still don't allow you to carry them outside, mostly just inside, and there's less shootings overall it's nowhere near as common for officers to get shot in Europe as it is in America, so the response is very different, i got no issue with the US system and America as a whole continent has always been far more violent than Europe, i just think the officers should be wearing additional armor to convey them a greater sense of security compared to european cops, it's critical that the cops are well trained but also that they're protected enough that they don't need to be terrified of being suddently shot, i think it's nuts how many cops in America are just wearing regular uniform shirts
@@liquidsnake6879every cop in America wears body armor. And their job isn't that dangerous. Its not in the top 20 most dangerous jobs in the US
@pegamini I mean they're human beings, they got kids, wives, family, they're not lunatics who view themselves as disposable and are ok with dying at any minute, nobody is, you'd need to replace the force with machines to get that kind of tranquility in the face of death lol
@@basedgamerguy818 I've seen many without any armor at all, just a cotton shirt
As a dutch person, it's fantastic to see our fellow German police working together with ours. Also great that dutch and German are a very similar language.
Ja bruder
Zeer mee eens
Ja, ich merke das immer wieder. Alleine die drei niederländischen Sätzen am Ende waren für mich ohne Probleme verständlich.
Welche niederländischen Sätze? Das war englisch! ^^
@@TessaractAlemania-hd7tv Ik spreek allebij Nederlands en Engels
Let's be honest: in our hearts we Dutch feel Germany is our big and reliable brother.
word. as a german from Münster, i feel more "patriotic solidarity" with dutch than with bavarians tbh
@@stevqtalentI totall understand that. They still feel Bavaria is superior and an autnome region ))
@@stevqtalent I feel like Münster is a very special city that most resembles a Dutch city in many regards.
And Belgium is our little brother 😇
❤ from Stuttgart
Fun fact: in the border regions all first responders work together. It's quite possible to see German fire brigade, police or ambulance services in the Netherlands and vice versa. Some 20 years ago when the Enschede fireworks factory blew up, German fire brigades and ambulances and Army rescue helicopters sped across the border to come help.
Thanks for that reaction vid. I live in that german town at the boarder and I csn clearly remeber when that happens a few years ago. Not obly police is working nicely together over the boarder here, also the fire departments and the ambulance-services. An injured person (car accident e.g.) would be brought to the most specialised hospital in our region (Netherlands or Germany) depending on the injuries the person has. If there is somewhere a big fire, german and dutch fire departements work together across the boarder. And there are special trainings for all these services for dutch and germans together. One of the things I love about Europe!
A "boarder" is a student of a boarding school.
@@tic-tacdrin-drinn1505you understood what he meant now move along, people make mistakes and not everyone is a english extraordinare
I read in a comment of another video that when there was a disastrous big explosion and fire of the fire-works factory, german fire figthers realized that this incident was probably overwhelming for the local firefigthers and they sdnd w fire trucks that were very wellcome. Ofcourse there was also a lot of help from several dutch firestations.
Got another one for you: The Dutch land forces have just been entirely placed under German command, they are, in practical terms, part of the German Army. In return, Germany has placed part of their navy under Dutch command. There is a mixed British-German specialized engineer unit, and France and Germany have formed a common brigade years ago.
we are all part of nato after all
@@evilmessiah81 exactly! I wish there were even more cooperation of this kind
Correct. Most of the Dutch army has recently become part of the Bundeswehr (the German army). The two air forces also work together and the German naval battalion (say marines) are, I think, under Dutch command. The German navy also uses Dutch naval vessels again. So all in all, the collaboration goes quite far. And it must be said: the cooperation is going very well. I am very much in favor of it. As far as I am concerned, even more things are being harmonized between the Netherlands and Germany.
@@bertkassing8541 awesome, isn't it
@Ibachi07 thank you for the clarification 😊
7:32 Did you notice the blue sign with the golden stars and "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" written in the center? That is where the actual border is, or not is. You dont even notice it.
yes, came to the comments to say the same ...
border is right where the red car stopped on the right side ...
did any american see this border while flying by ? :-)
@@Anson_AKB I’m German, live within a day trip driving distance to the Netherlands and I still had to watch it twice to really see the border sign - I was that caught up in the chase.
Your reactions to videos about Germany, the Netherlands or Europe in general are pretty entertaining, please keep up the good work!🔥
It's fun to see engaged Americans interested in other parts of the world and sharing their perspective on things.
The car that had a collision in the chase was not regular police, but marechaussee, the national gendarmerie force of the Kingdom of the Netherlands that performs military and civilian police duties. You can recognize the difference by the blue colour of the car.
really suggest watching one of the videos where the dutch police are escorting an ambulance through traffic. It's awesome to see how they manage to keep the ambulance moving without any unnessecary stops
Second that
In Germany, as soon as there is a traffic jam on the highway, all cars form a gab for emergency vehicles. I guess thats similar in the Netherlands.
@policeisgek1289 wow the Dutchie like you really have to show off by writing that up in English like a pure American English person👏👏👏👏
@@The_Livingdude wtf :D
In this specific case the police (neither the Dutch or the German) isn't liable, the Dutch MOD is. The blue police car is operated by the marechaussee (border patrol) which is a military branch in the Netherlands.
compare the marechaussee to state police, it is not only border patrol. (sorry, moest even)
Oh interesting, I was wondering why the colors were different on that car.
@@JaapGinder military police
The Marechaussee is Military Police and one of their tasks is border security at our international airports and harbours. Another task is airport security at the whole Schiphol site. They also provide the guards for the King's palace and the official residence of the Prime Minister. They have no jurisdiction in civilian matters unless called in for assistence.
Another fun fact, when operating as members of a combined "arrest team" they first have to be sworn in as "civilian" police officer.
The guy fleeing probably is liable. At least that's a pretty common outcome in German courts. Usually the damage is to police cars but I don't see why the same argument shouldn't apply to the car hit by a police car
Moin! Danke für die Kommentierung des Videos! Ich bin Hauptkommissar bei der Polizei in Norddeutschland und fand das Video sehr interessant. Die deutsche Polizei grüßt Dich. Mach weiter so!
Hey! Thanks for commenting on the video! I am a chief inspector of the police in northern Germany and found the video very interesting. The German police greet you. Keep it up!
This was interesting to watch especially because I know all these streets because I live very close to Nordhorn! I looked up what the German (because the accident happened in Germany)law says about who has to pay when a police car drives into the car from a civilian in Germany and technically the one that they’re chasing has to pay for it not the police and not the civilian
Excellent!
yes and no, the insurance from the police veicle is liable but they will sue the criminal and get the money back from him afterwards.
It was a Dutch military police vehicle that did the ramming. Military vehicles (including the ones from the military police) are not insured in the Netherlands. The damage therefore will be paid for by the Dutch government.
@@ronaldderooij1774 really? I thought only the German military vehicles were not insured. Good to know!
True, but there would be little acceptance of such border-crossing if the Mercedes owner did not get the damages paid for.
Greatings to the Netherlands, one of our great neighbours in the west. ❤
The Germans are coming - game over! Haha! 😂
yeah but i was a little bit dissapointet, not one of the netherland police vehicles had a caravan🤣
I'd guess since it was during the chase, the Dutch police won't be trouble for the crash. Drivers in germany need certain insurances to get a car so the damage would probably be covered by it. I'd have to ask my mother for the specifics though since she works for a insurance company
Edit: the dispatch lady has been referring to the German police as "Duitse collega's" which translated means German colleagues, so yeah that was the proper translation. (If I misspelled anything please correct me, I only know very little Dutch)
I am from Germany and I really like how well Germany and Netherlands work together, not just in police affairs
I also liked it to see how the Dutch and German police had worked together. We live in northern Germany only 28 km from the dutch border and had often seen cars on the Autobahn coming from the Netherlands and then the German one were stopped and checked by the police. I think many times they got a tip from the Dutch police about drugs.🙂🌺
im from the netherlands!! hello neighbours
💜👍@@timothy7423
Doubt it. They're probably just randomly checking cars. For drugs, yes, but just because they know some people go to the Netherlands to get weed which is not yet legal in Germany.
@blondkatze3547 wow another Dutch wh()r3 showing of by typing that up in English wow good for you when you type that up in English congrats🙄👏👏👏👏👏
@@timothy7423👏👏👏👏👏
The 'colleagues' was a direct translation, yes.
Here in Europe, everyone who has the same job is immediately considered colleague. (There are exceptions of course, but especially with 'high profile' jobs for lack of a better word, that's definitely the case.)
Example: A podiatrist in Paris? London? Rome? They're my Bavarian mom's colleagues, despite having never met before. 😄
@kartoffelhexe wow another Dutch person writing that crap up in English to sound like a pure American English speaking person
Police cars in the Netherlands aren't insured. Nor are any military vehicles. Any damages they cause in the line of duty will be reimbursed by the police force or the Dutch government.
Same in Germany. All vehicles operated by government authorities are not insured as the government takes liability for any damage done in the line of duty.
Police cars in the Netherlands ARE insured via Euro insurance.
Trust me… I know 😉
Military vehicles aren’t .
That is cheaper than premiums for all the vehicles.
Police cars and ambulances in the Netherlands are NOT owned by the state and as such are insured. Might be a special policy at the insurance company though.
Years ago when still part of the "Rijkspolitie" they were indeed not insured. Military vehicles are owned by the state and not insured as mentioned (mandatory insurance is waved by law).
nope. police cars are payed for by the interior & justice office (binnenlandse zaken justitie en veiligheid , before that they were insured at Apeldoorn insurances but that became to pricy ;-). police cars meet a lot of damage and criminals who don't know how to behave in a car.. @@JoeTuub77
"Understood, we are currently informing the Germans."
American: :O
Nordhorn my hometown.We love our neighbors in the Netherlands ❤
Not absolutely sure about the liability but I would assume: The car owner of the mercedes is covered by the state/insurance on behalf of the police. And then the state tries to get that money back from the criminal.
yes, the owner just have to call the police station, give time and place of the crash (since everything is logged, they just need to confirm). Then it is paid by the state and they take the money from the one who was on the run. (this is all how I heard it from a former police officer, he did retire 10 years ago though, so things might have changed)
Pretty much what I'd say. The cause of the crash is the criminal (indirectly), so will be tried to be hold accountable. If not, insurance from the police department will pay. The car owner will only have to deal with some paperwork, not with the costs.
It's not the criminal's fault that the police act as mindless as the GTA AI and headlessly crash into everything and everyone.
I think it is a bit more complicated. My dad is a police officer in Germany and he said the following: - please keep in mind that he is not an expert in road laws - In this case, the accident happened in Germany so German Law comes into play. First and foremost the law say the one who caused the accident is held liable. The police officers is excused from leaving the accident, but you are generally not allowed to do so. The accident itself was caused by the police officer, as the Mercedes was standing still at the intersection. Thus the owner of the Mercedes has now to report to the nearest police station and inform his insurance. The German court will then contact the Netherlands and asked them to pay for the damages done in the accident. This ends the story for the Mercedes. If the car thief has to pay for the damages is unclear as it will be determined by the court once an investigation into the accident has been concluded. They could be held liable, but could also not be.
@@vomm indirectly he is, as he's the cause for the chase in the first place. So the police will likely try to hold him accountable. But the thief might try to use the footage to proof that the crash was caused by inattention of the driver of the police car. In which case a court would have to decide as frogbound said. But the court could as well see a partial blame for both, the police driver and the thief. But still not the Mercedes driver.
Where the German A30 Autobahn crosses the border and becomes the Dutch A1 there is a services stop that straddles the border half and half. There a big German Police building there with lots of cars.
Two weeks ago, I was sitting in my car in the car park there taking a break on my way back to the UK and watching. There’s a constant crisscrossing of Police cars across that border.
I think once they reach that point the only way for them to turn to go back is to cross into the other country first. 😃🇳🇱🇩🇪
There’s a convenant that grants them some rights. In the case of a stop, they do need the police of that country to join tho.
😂 It ends in Nordhorn germany 100 metres from where I work 😅
Did you even notice when they crossed the border? 😄
Haha! Yeah, when a dozen German units entered the fray!
Yes, there was a sign
@@daseteam yes, right of the red car at 7:32.
and i saw no german police until later at 8:04 (one, and not lots of them).
the white cars with diagonal red and blue stripes all are from NL,
while german police had the blue and yellow stripe along its side.
@@Anson_AKB Thank you. 👍Speak Dutch and German.
Oh you surprised me, I've lived in Nordhorn for 30 years and know the streets there. At 7:30 you can see the Tensundern border shops on the left and a little further on the right the old customs buildings. 8:40 the German police are insured by the state. The driver gets his damage compensated by Germany even if he was rammed by a Dutchman. Reason: From the border it was a German operation.
Which is emphasised by the "Germans are leading" statement" (or in Dutch: Duitsers zijn leidend).
@@therealdutchidiot Don't get the statement. I have only presented the internationally valid legal form
@@Apophis1966 they on legal lead of execution force
In Denmark, the emergency unit is always liable, and I believe it's the common practise throughout most of Europe.
Niederländisch klingt einfach niedlich 😊
@7:53, It's indeed a direct translation (collega).
One problem with not chasing is, it encourages to flee. When it gets known that police won't chase if you run, suddenly no one will stop for police. As a result you are forced to take certain risks, because if you don't you create a culture of running from the police.
As a Dutchie, gotta appreciate that even the cops are direct sometimes: "stop driving and stop being an idiot".
There is lots of cooperation between Dutch and German police. I live about 25km from the German border and here we actually have combined patrols. So a German and Dutch police officer are in the same car. This necessary because in the Netherlands German officer are only allowed to assist, they may not arrest anybody and vice versa. That's why in the clip the Dutch officer were reminded that they were in Germany and thus the Germans were in the lead. Boh in Germany and the Netherlands people are not allowed to carry weapons, but police obviously may do so. Until recently however German officers were not allowed to carry their gun in the Netherlands, but since a couple of years they are allowed to do so. So you can find Germans officers carrying guns here now, although I rarely do.
It used to be completely different. When I was young there was still a fysical border. Where was a gate and border patrol. Only if they opened the gate you could pass. At that time Dutch police was not allowed to continue a chase into Germany.
Nowadays in summer in the Dutch sea resorts German police also patrol the beaches even though it's not even close to Germany, but there are lots of German tourists and so German police assists. During the Christmas season lots of Dutch go to the famous Christmas markets in Germany and there they might meet Dutch police helping the Germans.
Dutch and German are similar languages but even so it's easier to have someone speaking your language.
I do teach at a High School and we do have students who are German and still live in Germany and in German High Schools you might meet Dutch students living in the Netherlands but attending school in Germany.
Where there now is good cooperation with police forces on either side of a border, there once was a time when in Holland we had city police and rijkspolitie (responsible for policing small villages). In case of chasing a vehicle, city police had to stop the chase before rijkspolitie area and vice versa :-)
> Nowadays in summer in the Dutch sea resorts German police also patrol the beaches even though it's not even close to Germany,
I bet lots of them want that job ;)
That's European Union... depend on your brother and trust in your brother.... maybe a thnig to save OUR planet.....
The Blue police car which ran into the Mercedes was Dutch Military police car: all white police cars were normal Dutch police cars and the Yellow/blue silver police cars are German. The Dutch Military police is always visible and invisible active at any border crossing between The Netherlands and it's neighbors like Germany and Belgium. Yes the cooperation between the three police forces of Germany, Belgium and The Netherlands work very intensively together as one police force, which is an excellent example of how this should be done. When the police crosses a border their jurisdiction is still there but under guidance of the local police. Of course before any police will cross any border the local police should have been informed before the border crossing is a fact. So dispatch is coordinating everything and these are the police people whom will get in to contact with any police force across the border. These chases happen from all sides in to all countries so the local police will be waiting on the criminal trying to escape across the border, in fact criminals are doing the police a favor trying to cross the border because as of that moment not just 1 police force is trying to get this criminal, but at least 2 police forces and it has happened down south in Zuid Limburg that 3 police forces were involved to catch criminals. since the three borders are so close nearby in Zuid-Limburg. Having 3 different police forces well coordinated in high speed pursuit looks like all hell broke loose and usually they all bring Dog brigades with them in case this smart ass criminal tries to flee on foot... You may start wondering what your leg looks like after (several) police dog attacks...
There is a lot of cooperation between German authorities and other neighbouring countries. For example, German police officers have recently been allowed to travel as far as Austria to carry out border controls on rail traffic towards Germany in order to apprehend possible illegal refugees. Or there is also cooperation with Polish authorities in relation to stolen goods. Turkey (which is not a direct neighbour) has also helped some German police officers in the past. For example, in the case of the Enkeltrick fraudsters who work in Turkish call centres and cheat elderly people out of their money.
Since the driver is driving on German territory, the German police officers also have the power of command. The Dutch police officers are then only allowed to drive behind. If the German officers catch him, he will probably be handed over to the Dutch police. If he harms someone else in Germany, he will also be charged with a crime in Germany.
Polish and German Police also work great together at theborders. Also with the Czech. 👍🏻
Eh, whole lot of difference between American and Dutch/German law enforcement and how it is judged. Your judges are chosen by election. Not so in Germany and the Netherlands, they are appointed and ALWAYS are lawyers. It is a job like any other job is supposed to be.
If the police damages something than they just pay for it. In this case the car was of the Koninklijke Marechaussee (Royal Gendarmery/ military police) so the ministry of defence will pay. In this case the crash happened in Germany, so German laws are applicable. I assume in Germany it will be the same. I would think that Dutch police in Germany are legally not even police. But surely this is all written in the treaty that makes this kind of cooperation possible.
The car that was in the accident is Marechaussee (blue with police stripes). And in a flash you could see that just after the accident it had stopped, and on the radio they talked about it, 'no injuries' was concerning that incident. As far as I know, the governements' insurance will cover it. And the insurance company will probably try to get the money back from the idiot driving the van.
Germany and the Netherlands are having are deep collaboration in many things. A couple of weeks the German chancellor, the Minister of Defence and their Dutch counterparts signed an agreement to integrate the Dutch army into the German army. The founded the so called Verteidigungsunion (defense Union)
And are an example about how to agree to disagree, there is an undefined border between the country where each country think a part belongs to them. A very good example how to solve those issues in a grown up manner.
@@berndhoffmann7703 As that part is water, the practical difference is negligible.
@@apveening have you seen what they want to build there?
In Germany the suspect needs to pay the damage. Because it happened of the action the suspect did.
If the suspect manages to escape then you need to pay it by yourself.(insurance)
9:46
that dog is NOT a sniffer, it's a biter and holder of persons that messed up like the driver of this van, usually making it VERY easy to chase down such a suspect if an attempt is made to run away after getting stranded.
Did you noticed how similar is Dutch with German language 😌
Zeer vergelijkbaar, maar toch echt wel een beetje anders. Ook niet dat gedoe met naamvallen, wat het toch allemaal wat makkelijker maakt. Zum beispiel.
@@chubbymoth5810 I'll give it a try. Without knowledge of Dutch or the help of the google translator, only on the basis of how the Dutch words sound in my german ears:
"Sehr vergleichbar, aber doch echt ein wenig anders. Auch nicht dieses getue mit „Namen die fallen“, was es doch allemal etwas „ makkelijker“ macht."
"Very comparable, but really a little different. Also not this fuss with "names that fall", which makes it very much "makkelijker" (I can't think of a suitable German term)."
Am I very wrong? ;)
@@hofkapellmeister6676 Sehr gut gemacht.
Naamvallen = grammatischen Fällen(?) Die Den Das Uzw
Makkelijker = einfacher
So basically Dutch is a bit easier...for the Dutch...because we don't have to deal with all the rules around Die Den Das.
@@socialworld1372 Oh cool. Apparently I should study Dutch a little more.
Too bad it wasn't offered in my school, even though it would have made so much sense
but nice that there are now apps for almost everything:
Les #1 “goede avond en goede nacht” 😉
Dutch and German are both Germanian (no that’s not Germany) languages.
Just like in the south of Europe they speak Roman languages.
This van’s driver is nuts. He’s crossing uninterrupted road markings that according to European traffic laws mean you’re not allowed to cross or even drive over with one wheel unless it’s a dire emergency, like trying to avoid a head-on collision. Other road users driving in the opposite direction assume their lane will be free and the risk of a head-on collision is real. Additionally the van is driving at breakneck speed of 100 kms/hr in a residential area (highest speed 50 kms/hr -> 31 mph and nowadays often as little as 30 kms/hr -> 18.6 mph) is criminal. Not to mention driving over a raised lane divider at an intersection. That driver is in for some major charges next to auto theft.
ok considering no one is actually awnsering your question
the car was stationary stopped by cops and at a trafic light and not trying to impeed the chase; then got hit by a moving cop car ( gerndarmerie ) if you look moments later that same cop car was stoped just as soon as the space was enough and cleared ( and cause its front end was literrealy on the floor ) and was probably going to get the information for the insurance clain with the merc owner.
the car sitting at the light will get fully covered by the insurance company the cops/millitary/ use. shit happens ; its part of the job, but cops in europe will not let an inocent bystander take the blame for an accident they are not responsible for. on the other hand ; we also understand that shit happens and usually wont sue the cops for some low level random accident like that one. ( the owner of the merc will prbly get breathalised just a routine procedure ; maybe even drug tested at least in france they would ; but if clear ; its just paper work going to the insurance companies. )
oh ; and cops try and not use private property as cover;then again ; we dont sell guns like cupcakes so we dont have the meth addicts runing around with guns problem you do .. ; and we dont act like entitled idiots all the time; thus cops dont have to use our cars as shelters ; and if they do once in a blue moon ; the insurance will cover it. shit happens as i said.
8:31 whne your car gets damaged because of the police chase, the damages will be payed by the government
A couple of days ago French police were in pursuit of a French car that drove all the way to the Belgian capital Brussels (which is quite far from the border). But the French police kept following the car, and were later joined by Belgian police. These international cooperations are very common, and criminals should know that crossing a border won't bring them to safety.
During the summer of 2022, the Dutch national police was also in France with their Audi A6’s. Also in collab with the French due to the huge amount of dutchies traveling south.
lmao crossing the border just means that you now have twice the number of police agenncies after you.
If you get into an accident with a police car (and you are not to blame), you can call the responsible department and they will sort it out. The officer is not liable, but the department is! But you can be sure, that the police will try to get their money back from the criminal in this case.
When you get into an accident with a police vehicle in The Netherlands there will always be an independent investigation. Was there permission to use the lights and sirens, were driving faster than the allowed 40 Km over the speed limit, in other words did the driver did everything according to the guidelines. If not, the driver might face prosecution.
I'm quite shocked by the fact that the US police aren't liable. I've recently learned that they also don't have to put themselves in any danger while doing their job. That's unheard of in the Netherlands.
Very good video Joel! I wonder how often this occurs in Europe with the countries so close? Good to see they have great communications with each other. Well done!
I‘m pretty sure, that neighboring „friends“ have agreements to work together in several matters, including police, emergencies and disasters.
It happens and the reason why the police can continue following a criminal even after crossing the border is not because they are in the European Union, but specifically because they are in the Schengen Area. For example, Slovak police and Hungarian police often work together like this, now it occurs often with vans illegally transporting refugees. They often go through Hungary to Slovakia with Germany as the destination and there were cases when the two polices were chasing a car together. They also work closely together when there are, for example, international football matches between Slovak and Hungarian teams/ national selections, because they are high risk because of our history. Last month, they caught some drug dealers together in both countries and they have also solved a murder and caught the murderers (one Slovak and one Hungarian) together.
AFAIK it's not regulated by the EU, but there are many bilateral agreements
@@jennyh4025 Belgium, Netherlands and Luxemburg are working extremely intensely together in a lot of manners, even more so then all the rest of Europe...
@@schelfie1986 I know, but the video was about the Netherlands and Germany working together.
Living quite close to the border it's nice to see how well the German and Dutch police forces work together.
Great video to watch prior to the original The Italian Job film this Friday! Not so much the ending though. 😉
As long as Jps doesn't select the film with Italian overdubs, lol.
But he should watch the old "english" original from 1969... wow now i have the song in my head... this is the Self-Preservation Society...
Brilliant OST - composed by Quincy Jones(pre-Michael Jackson 'Thriller' days)👌👍
duuuude! that was more enjoyable than like 95% of new blockbusters. wow!
Netherlands Culture Cool!! looking forward to that!
At Oktoberfest (the munich beer festival) there are allways, of course, german cops. But as well some colleagues from other EU-staates. E.g. form Italy. Most problems happen with groups of young drunken men and these people show more respect to uniforms they know and a language they speak everyday.
For sure: German law counts, german cells are used in case and german cops made the final arrest if necessary. But the support by forign colleagues is a great way not only to talk to drunken people, but as well for calming down a situation and avoid misconceptions.
Laws are not equal within the EU-states and the punishment or fine differs from state to state. But overall it is the same what is considered as a crime. Not only by law but as well by common sense: You dont steal the wallet of a drunken person, you dont beat people with huge beer-glasses, you dont tuch women agains their will.
Soi it workes without any problems, to invite some colleagues form other states to join german cops in Oktoberfest-patrols.
BTW:
At Oktoberfest 2022: 5.7 Million visitors within 16 days.
Police operations over all: 1819
Identified crimes: 967
Arrests: 376
Due to:
- bodily harm: 244
- Beating with huge beer glasses: 35
- Sexual offenses: 55
of which rapes: 3
- Drugs (including and mainly weed*) 184
- Theft: 214
- attacs on cops/resitance: 54
- DUI: 572
*weed is illigal anywere in the EU. But it most states accept some minor amounts. Not so Baveria. There everything is completely forbidden. So this is a major misconception for tourists: They think, that it would be ok, to smoke and have some minor amount of weed. As it would be ok in Spain, France, Italy, the Netherlands... And in northern Germany as well. But not in Bavaria!
Griaß eich aus Österreich. Wir arbeiten auch gerne mit dir Bayern😂😂🇩🇪🇦🇹
6:16 "We are currently informing the Germans." Chuckling to the vibes of This!-Means!-Trouble! impending doom of that message.
Thanks for the reaction. I've seen this police chase multiple times, and every time I'm on the tip of my chair. Your question about who is gonna pay for the ploice car crachin to the Mercedes: insurrance. Besides that was not a normal police car (well it was) but one from the 'marechaussee' (like state police). The coorporation between the Duth police and the German, and Belgian too, is very good.
They are actually saying "German colleagues" at 7:37, I am Netherlands so. Love your videos, keep up the good work 👍
The Dutch vehicle was not police, I think it was Dutch border patrol. In any case, the German state (state, Germany is a Federal Republic, so Lower Saxony or North Rhine-Westphalia) is liable for any damage caused to bystanders. Insurance claims and everything is then handled between the German state and the Dutch police department, but as a civilian you file your claims again the German state. This is part of the "German-Dutch Police and Justice Treaty". Germany has similar treaties with all bordering countries, except Sweden, as there is no connection by land.
Koninklijke Marechaussee is military. So the Dutch Ministry of Defence will pay. ;-) LOL ask German farmers, they have experience from the 70's and 80's
Good cooperation is a must when the borders are basically just two road signs. 😅
Dutch (military) police vehicles are never insured. The Dutch State (aka government) has to pay for damages in this case.
and they pay it for the whole price.. in germany to... because you cant insurance every vehicle
The translation was accurate btw, in Dutch they also said "German colleagues" :)
We heard you Joel, fessing-up to this crime!!! Great seeing the Netherlands countryside again. Here in Canada the police would cover those types of damages. I don't think that it would much of an issue. It's probably similar in the EU. Tell us, which judge treated you better, the Dutch one or German one? 😜 John in Canada
The translations are very good. In anwer to your question about the mercedies incident, in the Netherlands police cars and ambulance have priority but that doesn't mean they are never liable, it depends on the situation (i.e. was the car impeding in any way).
To answer your questions, yes the translations are spot on.
The police will be liable, he crashed into the car while it stood still, unusual situation for the car. He wasnt trying to block, just not get in the way. Person will be compensated for their damages, thats it, no law suit or criminal case just unfortunate
I mean, driver not at fault. insurance pays. Not complicated.
The Netherlands and Germany are great neighbours, we might make jokes about each other but generally we like each other. Except during Football (your *soccer*). We hate each other during European or Worls Cup.
Just a bit of fun with a "länderspiel" :) 😄
Sibling rivalry.
The translation is correct.
The collision will be handled by the insurance companies.
What insurance companies? The police is under the state (in both the Netherlands and Germany) and states usually self-insure.
@@apveening read before you make a comment.
I only said that the translation from Dutch to English was correct.
The Dutch are very cool. I am looking forward to your reactions to the Netherlands. 👍
First off, yes the translations are accurate, second off, LETSGO NETHERLANDSSSSS
the translations are 95% correct, in most of Mainland Europe Police Officers are able to pursue into other countries because of Treaties with the federal governments and local police services
That moment of "We are currently informing the Germans." kind of made me chuckle. xD
"Call them."
- "T-Them?"
_"Sic the Germans on 'em."_
Hello Joel,
I love your videos and your reactions.
One question: which American dialect do you speak?
Greetings from Wiesbaden, Hesse, Germany.
PS: US Army Garrison Wiesbaden The home of U.S. Army Europe and Africa Headquarters is here.
Concerning your question of liability: This is regulated in Article 43 of the Convention Implementing the Schengen Agreement as follows:
"1. Where, in accordance with Articles 40 and 41 of this Convention, officers of a Contracting Party are operating in the territory of another Contracting Party, the first Contracting Party shall be liable for any damage caused by them during their operations, in accordance with the law of the Contracting Party in whose territory they are operating.
2. The Contracting Party in whose territory the damage referred to in paragraph 1 was caused shall make good such damage under the conditions applicable to damage caused by its own officers.
3. The Contracting Party whose officers have caused damage to any person in the territory of another Contracting Party shall reimburse the latter in full any sums it has paid to the victims or persons entitled on their behalf.
4. Without prejudice to the exercise of its rights vis-à-vis third parties and with the exception of paragraph 3, each Contracting Party shall refrain in the case provided for in paragraph 1 from requesting reimbursement of damages it has sustained from another Contracting Party."
This means: The damages to third parties (here: the Mercedes owner) are reimbursed according to German law by German authorities. The Dutch state would then reimburse the German authority for the damages.
So what does German law provide? This is a question of whether the damage had been caused negligiently or not. If yes, a compensation claim would derive from section 839 of the German Civil Code (BGB) in connection with Article 34 of the German Basic law (the federal constitution). If no, the damage would nevertheless have to be compensated on the basis of section 80 of the Police Act of Lower Saxony (Lower Saxony, Niedersachsen, is the German state where the damage occured). In any case, the State of Lower Saxony would have to reimburse, not the Federal Republic (because policing, also as law enforcement, generally is a state matter in Germany; the states also implement federal laws). According to the German Federal Court of Justice (Bundesgerichtshof), the state would then, in general, have a compensation claim against the registered owner of the stolen vehicle - there is a strict liability clause, however, in this case, the vehicle had been stolen, which excludes strict liability. Nevertheless, the state could sue the thief for reimbursement, but it is doubtful that there is "much to get." So finally, the State of Lower Saxony would have a reimbursement claim against the Kingdom of the Netherlands under the provision I initially mentioned. If the Netherlands would refuse payment, the case would be heard in a Dutch court.
Do you see that, contrary to America, the suspect doesn't get beaten up by these officers like the LAPD killed Rodney King or the madman who killed George Floyd?
That's civilized behavior for you. Always staying professional and let a judge decide what his sentence will be.
BUT it doesnt work with Hessen, Thüringen and Sachsen. xD Not to talk about Czech Republik. xD
"On the basis of Article 18 c) of the 1985 Schengen Agreement, Article 41 of the 1990 Schengen Implementation Agreement allows the pursuit of suspects to continue on the territory of another Schengen country without first obtaining the consent of that country.
Given the abolition of border controls between the signatory states to the Schengen Agreement, hot pursuit was introduced to combat crime effectively. However, the pursuing officers of a foreign nation state only have limited powers at the point of entry. Firstly, it must be a police measure in the area of criminal prosecution or the execution of a sentence, carried out by police or customs officers, and the local police cannot be notified in time or are not on site in time to take over the pursuit. The foreign officers can only detain the person. Arrest is the preserve of the local police forces. They may only act within a geographical or temporally limited area in relation to the state border or the time of crossing...
" Wikipedia, German article "Nacheile" - google translation.
It would also somehow not make sense if the police or customs had to let a suspect flee just because he crossed the border.
09:05 Idk what they're saying, but it's not 1:1 translations, because the dispatcher mentioned XXXLutz which is the company the parking lot belongs to.
I remember hearing about this show called ‘The Bridge’ where a person is murdered at a bridge that borders Sweden and Denmark.
I watched it. It was very good.
There is a French/British version called The Tunnel
Police is liable, that is what Insurances are for. It was an Accident in Action, no big deal. The Inssurance for the Police in europe is the STATE (so the COUNTRY itself). If a German Police would crash accidently into your parked car, GERMANY pays you this.
Meanwhile in Britain
-well boys that’s another job well done
- but sir we let them get on the boat
-I know that…
But they’re France’s problem now.
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
The blue background colour vehicle @ 8.33 , striking the Merc , belongs to the Koninklijke Marechaussee , the NL Gendarmerie force. These are effectively military police, also being trained soldiers , with full powers over civilians , unlike the UK Service Police forces , which only have jurisdiction over Armed Forces personnel. They will compensate the owner.
Hi, I am a Dutch person. The car accident at the end was with the Royal Marechaussee (Dutch military police) and not a regular police vehicle. The car inflicting the damage is always liable. In a chain accident, each car hitting another car is liable, even if it is clear who triggered the accident.
The translation is pretty good. I would have translated it as “the German collegues stand at the ready”.
Well.... The Dutch 'police vehicle' in the accident was of the Koninklijke Marechausee (Royal Dutch Military Police). So the criminal did not only have Dutch and German police chasing him, but also the Military police.
In this case, of the accident: the Dutch Department of Defence will pay for the damage, and try to get it from the suspect by legal system.
Ist's quiet comman for the boarders to work together not just the Dutch/German also Danish/German and the Polish/German Police. Is it not between the US and Canada? .
Until about 18 years ago, the Dutch police were allowed to chase as far as the border with Germany. After the border the suspect was free. Due to the Schengen Treaty, there has been free movement of people, goods, services and money between the Member States since 26 March 1995. So the suspect was allowed to enter Germany freely. But the Dutch police were not allowed to do that. Since September 1, 2006, the Dutch police have been allowed to pursue further than the border with Germany. And the German police are also allowed to pursue in the Netherlands
Did not scroll through the answers but the (Armed Forces) Police (aka Dutch MOD) is liable, although 'liable' is a stong word. Damages will be payed by the Dutch govenment through the insurance of the damaged car.
8:35 Because the persecution was in Germany, but it wasn't a German police car, and the persecution started in the Netherlands, we would have to rely on the international laws of Europe, which states that in a chase it is the perpetrator's responsibility that nobody gets hurt , or items will be damaged. means the fleeing is guilty. Another example: if a police officer in a bank robbery tries to shoot one of the perpetrators, but hits someone else who dies as a result, the perpetrator is also guilty of death, and will therefore also be charged with murder. (I am from Germany and i study law)
A very strange persecution. American Cops surely would have caught this cheeky guys earlier: "Stand and deliver, you ..., or we will shoot!" ^^
8:36 The guy fleeing is liable. He will be the one paying for all the damages. If he can...... Otherwise probably the insurances.
who will pay?
if the Dude responsible for the Chase has insurance: this Insurance will pay even if the Damages were done by Police to uninvolved People.
if the Guy is not insured: the State will pay, in this case probably the german state since, as far as i know, dutch Police under german lead has the same Authority as german Police and the same rules and regulations.
generally: "Völlig unbeteiligte Dritte, die einen Schaden erlitten haben, können Entschädigung aus Art. 70 Abs. 2 PAG neben der Amtshaftung begehren." if you have damages from a Police pursuit and you are a uninvolved 3rd party(wich this Mercedes probably is ;) you get your repair payed almost immediately after estimation of the damages.