Knuckles Chaotix LOST BITS | Unused Content & More! [TetraBitGaming]

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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024

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  • @TetraBitGaming
    @TetraBitGaming  3 года назад +462

    Best character in this game??

  • @NathanielBandy
    @NathanielBandy 3 года назад +638

    I had no idea Sonic was planned for this game, kind of glad they changed it up a little bit

    • @fatyoshi1456
      @fatyoshi1456 3 года назад +31

      Sonic and his pal,**********
      *Missingno sounds*

    • @matthewkious3641
      @matthewkious3641 3 года назад +13

      Sonic was replaced by Mighty (I found this a while ago in a youtube vid)

    • @mediamuncher6982
      @mediamuncher6982 3 года назад +4

      Who NB saying something good about sonic crazy!

    • @GabePuratekuta
      @GabePuratekuta 3 года назад +12

      Sonic? You mean Blue Knuckles?

    • @hoanghieu5138
      @hoanghieu5138 3 года назад +2

      redhotsonic

  • @therewasnoattempt8373
    @therewasnoattempt8373 3 года назад +342

    Fun Fact: the chaos rings in this game originally were called "holy rings" but it was changed because of religious references

    • @drakethedragon457
      @drakethedragon457 3 года назад +2

      No Sh*t

    • @therewasnoattempt8373
      @therewasnoattempt8373 3 года назад +28

      @@drakethedragon457 bro chill I was just commenting a fact that not many knew

    • @markdork801
      @markdork801 3 года назад +5

      @@therewasnoattempt8373 holy water burning intensifies

    • @BBQLOVER65
      @BBQLOVER65 3 года назад +1

      When scott wozniaks mario cerial is sussy😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

    • @therewasnoattempt8373
      @therewasnoattempt8373 3 года назад +4

      @@BBQLOVER65 😳😳😳

  • @Charriii5
    @Charriii5 3 года назад +481

    Awww yeah, the new porcupine on the block and his buddies. Would love to see you cover the other prototype stuff!

    • @boopsdoops
      @boopsdoops 3 года назад +2

      Sup, charles

    • @olpendoomandagi5565
      @olpendoomandagi5565 3 года назад +2

      Can you make it an EWW video on Gex with Dunkey?

    • @ggsmalls5854
      @ggsmalls5854 3 года назад +1

      Yes I would

    • @tmntphan
      @tmntphan 3 года назад +2

      I knew Charles would be here. He's the Sonic man of Minus World

    • @thatguy3622
      @thatguy3622 3 года назад +1

      Make the video about how you got rid of the other chariiis and me

  • @JacksNormal
    @JacksNormal 3 года назад +149

    Note: as the great Cybershell said, there are both similarities between Sonic CD and Knuckles Chaotix, especially between the random inclusion of Amy and Metal Sonic, 3D Special Stages without the Chaos Emeralds, the design and Colors, the sound effects, even if you wait too long Metal Sonic will try to kill you! It’s very interesting.

  • @THENAMEISMEGAMAN
    @THENAMEISMEGAMAN 3 года назад +99

    "Tenstar" actually does have a popular fan name known as "Wechina".

    • @Fluorite-Fox
      @Fluorite-Fox 3 года назад +10

      And starline ^^

    • @nd_4726
      @nd_4726 3 года назад +11

      @@Fluorite-Fox Nonono, Starline is a different character. Starline is based off of the glitch, but isn't the glitch itself. Also, Starline is a canon character. Not a fan one.

    • @teosim6656
      @teosim6656 3 года назад +6

      @@nd_4726 well uh, he's a comic character, not cannon but well, not fanmade

    • @DarkStar7X
      @DarkStar7X 3 года назад +4

      Or as Somecallmejohnny would call him; "Numbles the Coke-fiend"

  • @michaeloverton04
    @michaeloverton04 3 года назад +66

    In terms of the character "Ten Star" most people just call it "Wechnia" and if you mess with configurations enough, you can actually play as him where he plays identically to Tails.

    • @MossySRB2
      @MossySRB2 11 месяцев назад +1

      to fly to jump?

    • @SandwitchZebra
      @SandwitchZebra 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@MossySRB2 Yes. He even gets tired like Tails
      But the commenter is wrong with the “certain configurations” stuff. Wechnia only acts like Tails in prototype versions of the game before they dummied out the flight, he has Mighty’s moveset in the final version

  • @mineland8220
    @mineland8220 3 года назад +189

    All i can say about the game is that the soundtrack is a bop

    • @CaptainCoolzCT-
      @CaptainCoolzCT- 3 года назад +9

      You can say that about every Sonic series game.

    • @redaknight
      @redaknight 3 года назад +4

      Cool, sweet, and catchy!

    • @CoolPlayersVic
      @CoolPlayersVic 3 года назад +2

      @@CaptainCoolzCT- Ever played Sonic Eraser?

    • @YakupagaGaming
      @YakupagaGaming 3 года назад

      @@CoolPlayersVic I haven’t played the but I’ve seen it and the music is sooooooooo bad

    • @enigmat05
      @enigmat05 3 года назад

      Especially the title theme

  • @pytha7
    @pytha7 3 года назад +19

    I actually really like the name "Tennstar" for the white Knuckles character, even though the more common nickname is "Wechnia" - did you know that Dr. Starline from the IDW Sonic comics was actually directly inspired by this exact glitch? Their colour palettes look very similar AND Starline's name is obviously a direct nod to the glitched character's name being a *line* of *stars.* Crazy how far a simple glitch can go when in the right hands.

    • @wunluvv21
      @wunluvv21 7 месяцев назад

      i’ve seen you 2m times just stop

  • @D3X1K_AXYZ
    @D3X1K_AXYZ 3 года назад +55

    I just want more lost bits
    I don't care what you cover, its always interesting to dive behind the scenes of games, whether its prototypes or official releases. I enjoy the work you do.

  • @stefix1615
    @stefix1615 3 года назад +106

    finally. another episode.
    edit: we should do an episode of lost bits on the prototypes too.
    274tH CoMmEnT

    • @HistoryandReviews
      @HistoryandReviews 2 года назад +1

      You dont need to put *edit it tells us you edited beside your post date 🤡🤡🤡

  • @ct1660
    @ct1660 3 года назад +6

    9:40 was probably meant to depict Robotnik juggling any chaos rings the player didn’t get, similar to Sonic 1’s “TRY AGAIN” screen if they missed any chaos emeralds.

  • @glenhaven721
    @glenhaven721 3 года назад +66

    2 things, 1: 10 Star is called the 'Wechnia" 2: Espio was planned to also be the main character, the evidence is that 1: Espio is in front of knuckles on the title screen, and 2: Espio is the top of the list of names on the act start screen

    • @toaddx
      @toaddx 3 года назад +24

      ************ has no official name, besides the jumbled mess left over. Wechnia is a fanmade name, because this community really likes to name glitched characters for some reason...

    • @beesbeesbeesbeesbees
      @beesbeesbeesbeesbees 3 года назад +9

      Interestingly, it turns out the Sonic Extended Universe character Dr. Starline is also, supposedly, based on "10 Star" or "Wechnia," whatever it might be. The name comes from the literal "line of stars" that makes up the original name!

    • @rubocky6126
      @rubocky6126 2 года назад

      @@toaddx blue knuckles has no name, though

    • @distractioncat7285
      @distractioncat7285 2 года назад +1

      ​@CapToad he does have a name
      it's tails

    • @distractioncat7285
      @distractioncat7285 2 года назад +2

      @CapToad HIS NAME
      IS TAILS
      you finish an act with him
      it says tails
      cant argue with absolute facts
      no what do you mean a certain 2 tailed fox already took that name no they didnt

  • @stuff31
    @stuff31 3 года назад +63

    Thanks to game apologist for informing me that charmy is born to suffer

  • @sausukakoolsuragi5690
    @sausukakoolsuragi5690 3 года назад +50

    "hour glass and wide hour glass" - Tetrabit 2021

  • @bluerie._.3021
    @bluerie._.3021 3 года назад +15

    I love this game. It becomes a lot more fun when you stop trying to play it as a sonic game and instead play it as what it is. Finding ways to break the level design with the rings is one of my favorite things to do. I would love to see a video on the prototypes for this game.

  • @blap721
    @blap721 2 года назад +9

    Some of the most under-utilised and coolest characters ever

  • @vCherrykAI16
    @vCherrykAI16 3 года назад +46

    Please cover the pre release builds! Regardless of it being a game I'm interested in, I LOVE to see the comparison of pre-release builds to final builds! 😍

  • @newtrog.367
    @newtrog.367 3 года назад +62

    It's great to finally see this game get some recognition

  • @dragonick2947
    @dragonick2947 3 года назад +11

    10:07 That sprite looks a lot like one of the scenes from the intro cutscene of Sonic 3D: Flickies' Island.

  • @thesonichat7389
    @thesonichat7389 3 года назад +4

    TETRA IS INVADING MY BRAIN DUDE
    IVE BEEN PLAYIN KNUCKLES CHAOTIX ALL WEEKEND AS WELL AS WATCHIN A TON OF OLDER VIDEOS ABOUT IT
    *HOW DID HE KNOW*

  • @TheLegoNation
    @TheLegoNation 3 года назад +11

    4:05 oh no

  • @fatyoshi1456
    @fatyoshi1456 3 года назад +19

    My theory is that the Robotnik "Pickle Jar" animation was meant to be Robotnik juggling chaos emeralds like in the bad ending graphic in Sonic 1 and 2, and either it was scrapped before the chaos emeralds were added to the graphic or it was meant to be a separate graphic that would be overlayed. This is the only example I can find: ruclips.net/video/3RLIBxHuOTw/видео.html

  • @azumars
    @azumars 3 года назад +7

    9:40 maybe it could have been used for a juggling sprites? Mayne with the chaos rings?

    • @jordantfryman6184
      @jordantfryman6184 3 года назад +1

      Just like in almost every genesis Sonic game.
      That was my First thought.

  • @kingnightmarevin
    @kingnightmarevin 3 года назад +22

    I'm a fan of the game, glad to see someone else giving it some love too.

  • @firegalaxy1370
    @firegalaxy1370 3 года назад +15

    Should of waited eleven days since that would be knuckles chaotix anniversary

  • @processedham3334
    @processedham3334 3 года назад +15

    8:00 concept artists?
    And if you see this please do lost bits, on Littlebigplanet. Sony game again, I like those videos

  • @Breadrollbutbetter
    @Breadrollbutbetter 3 года назад +12

    I just randomly thought of a game that may have some unused content: The original Bubble Bobble

  • @gregzotter6189
    @gregzotter6189 3 года назад +5

    Sonic and Tails being planned as characters makes sense given their fan-favorite status.

  • @koopatroopa7968
    @koopatroopa7968 Год назад +3

    “The creepiest boss in a game deemed okay for kids”
    You clearly haven’t heard of Dead Hand

  • @PokechiYT
    @PokechiYT 3 года назад +3

    From what I remember, Ten star has been given the name of wechnia and while wech and knuckles do control the same on the ground, wechnia does have the same flying ability as tails! Getting tired out and all! Oh and in one of the pre-release versions, wechnia has a color pallet closer to tails.

  • @DarkStar7X
    @DarkStar7X 3 года назад +2

    5:16 Holy shit, i didn't know those bumper things from Studiopolis Act 2 were actually a scrapped idea from this game. That's such an obscure reference!

  • @TuxerTuxar
    @TuxerTuxar 3 года назад +20

    I waited this moment for months. THKS TetraBit

  • @Sonicjan
    @Sonicjan 3 года назад +3

    Oh, I just love this game! It's really fun in Multiplayer and the mechanics are just so unique. Sure, it might not play like a Classic Sonic game, but if you think around that mindset it can become quite fun! Seeing more of the prerelease stuff would be awesome!

  • @OniellFord
    @OniellFord 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for covering this game! PLEEEEEEEEAAAAASSEEEE do a bigger video containing the pre-release content! This is my favorite Sonic spin-off game and features my all time FAVORITE cast of Sonic characters! Had fond memories with this game. Heck, my parents know it as "The rubber-band game"! lol. All in all, I'm an Sonic underdog fan. Seeing these classic characters brings me great joy. :)

  • @frenzydoesthings7387
    @frenzydoesthings7387 2 года назад +1

    In 8:40 I assume was supposed to make Eggman have 1 Choas Emerald and Choas Ring and him being like " Eh I'll go back to using Choas Emeralds ".

  • @prussia7158
    @prussia7158 3 года назад +5

    i think this game was sega letting knuckles have some fame and his own game, which i think is nice

  • @theunkillablecat8458
    @theunkillablecat8458 2 года назад +7

    Mighty is probably the most underrated character

  • @boopsdoops
    @boopsdoops 3 года назад +5

    so an echidna, a bee, a chameleon, and a crocodile walk into a bar. Stop me if you've heard this one.

    • @itsgeo752
      @itsgeo752 3 года назад +2

      What abt my armadillo boi

    • @boopsdoops
      @boopsdoops 3 года назад +1

      @@itsgeo752 oh yea, oops.

    • @jordy_de-zee
      @jordy_de-zee 2 года назад

      @@itsgeo752 and 2 robots

  • @workinprogress6779
    @workinprogress6779 3 года назад +17

    I'd love to see a video going deeper in KC's betas

    • @Ninjereto
      @Ninjereto 3 года назад +2

      I read KC as KFC

    • @magmamantis1738
      @magmamantis1738 3 года назад

      @@Ninjereto mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm kfc

    • @magmamantis1738
      @magmamantis1738 3 года назад

      @@Ninjereto mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm kfc

  • @Theonewhoisinfinite
    @Theonewhoisinfinite 3 года назад +2

    I'm probably one of the VERY few people out there that actually loves this game, so seeing more content about it would be awesome!

  • @Enriquito445
    @Enriquito445 2 года назад

    4:07 the way he says “we got this little bubble” sounds so satisfying to me for some reason

  • @glowbush
    @glowbush 3 года назад +3

    I had a 32X as a kid and I really enjoyed this game. Glad to see some unused content highlighted here

  • @Jordan_Editsoffical
    @Jordan_Editsoffical 2 года назад +1

    7:51 I like how it’s cool song then it just sounds like someone pulled out a wire from it

  • @IamSimplyYOSH
    @IamSimplyYOSH 3 года назад +5

    I wish some modders would put back in the cut content and maybe tweak it a bit for a new fan release. That would be so cool.

  • @feltricfence7871
    @feltricfence7871 3 года назад +2

    9:20
    kinda looks like some sort of submarine that the player would be in??
    definitely a vehicle of some kind!!!
    (also this is literally the first time i have ever seen gameplay of knuckles chaotix and it looks great; i should pick it up sometime!)

  • @jordancooney6817
    @jordancooney6817 3 года назад +3

    I'd love to see videos on the prototypes of this game. I don't personally know a lot about this game and have never played it, but seeing Sonic and Tails playable in the prototypes just seems interesting to me.

  • @kryzethx
    @kryzethx 3 года назад +1

    I am definitely interested! I think this is one of the least reviewed/mentioned/referenced Sonic games of all time, but it looks so interesting :D

  • @ameliabaroni2650
    @ameliabaroni2650 3 года назад +3

    Of course do the prototype stuff. It is so cool to see the prototypes of a game

  • @airwreckasteal229
    @airwreckasteal229 3 года назад

    7:31 tetra, the skull can't be sonics because the eye isn't black. But tails' eyes are blue. and the message under the skull makes sense with tails

  • @revolutiontimewithidiots1126
    @revolutiontimewithidiots1126 3 года назад +3

    I've never seen this game but I immediately want a remasterd version

  • @rionthemagnificent2971
    @rionthemagnificent2971 2 года назад +1

    Casablanca may have been a working title / Project codename that SEGA devs used to refer to knux Chaotix during Dev as shorthand / no concrete title.

  • @joeberryman3563
    @joeberryman3563 2 года назад +2

    10:02 "Finish Him!"

  • @blueyeprincess83
    @blueyeprincess83 2 года назад +2

    I think that the skull (7:30) belongs to either Knuckles or Eggman. I say that because they don't have ears and Sonic and Tails have ears and there are no ears on the skull.
    That's just an idea :)

    • @Flying_NoodlesOSC
      @Flying_NoodlesOSC 6 месяцев назад

      I might be late but, ears don’t even have bones

  • @SilverTikal
    @SilverTikal 6 месяцев назад

    What I found really fascinating about the end screen at the time is that the credit font comes from the Genesis/mega Drive and the background image comes from the 32 X. When switching back and forth, you could clearly see how much the two combined consoles actually shared the work.

  • @neoqwerty
    @neoqwerty 3 года назад +3

    Definitely would watch another episode on the Chaotix prototypes!

  • @veejay420
    @veejay420 3 года назад

    Would love to see more on Chaotix as it never gets that much attention, what you have covered here is only scratching the surface and I'd love to see more of your take on the game and it's prototypes! Great video!

  • @evenglare
    @evenglare 3 года назад +2

    I fucking love Knuckle's Chaotix. I've played the shit out of the game. I'd love to see more since so few videos are made on it.

  • @eclipsedlunarknight
    @eclipsedlunarknight 3 года назад +1

    tetra: choatix showcases a crew of what i THINK are the coolest characters
    charmy haters: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT BUD?

  • @minecraftgamer99999
    @minecraftgamer99999 3 года назад +4

    4:05 I remember when someone took sonics shoes off

  • @The_Real_Everydude
    @The_Real_Everydude 2 года назад +1

    Sonic fans: thats Whechnia!
    Tetrabit: T E N S T A R

  • @youraveragemobileundertale2371
    @youraveragemobileundertale2371 2 года назад +4

    Literally every fnf mods 3rd phase be like: 2:48

  • @gnome2408
    @gnome2408 3 года назад

    9:40 Robotnik looks like he forgot how to count to 10 lol

  • @gforce7237
    @gforce7237 3 года назад +2

    The video we never asked for, but we needed

  • @classicsanstheskeleton3462
    @classicsanstheskeleton3462 3 года назад +1

    That skull couldn't possibly be Sonic's. It's probably Tails skull because of the "To fly to jump" text and the fact that the skull has blue eyes while Tails also has blue eyes.

  • @notdog6642
    @notdog6642 3 года назад +3

    Would be really cool to see a part 2.

  • @dabluepittoo-aqua4213
    @dabluepittoo-aqua4213 3 года назад +1

    Knuckles Chaotix certainly has some really interesting stuff in it's...well, itself. Also I like the final version of the unused sound. Sounds nicer.

  • @Num1MarioFan
    @Num1MarioFan 2 года назад +3

    0:31 ECHIDNA!! Sorry... I'm protective of my country sometimes... heh...

  • @DukeSR8
    @DukeSR8 3 года назад +1

    11:52 is Vector dabbing?
    Also would love another episode on this.

  • @derpboy6410
    @derpboy6410 3 года назад +5

    “Cassa Blanca” means “white house” in Spanish

  • @redaknight
    @redaknight 3 года назад

    9:40 my guess is that’s actually him juggling the chaos rings in the bad ending, like he would with the emeralds in other games

  • @Raven_Bones
    @Raven_Bones 3 года назад +3

    Another video where I ask for you to do a lost bits on Hello Neighbor. PLEASE! You will have a field day with that game!

    • @CreepyboomGamer
      @CreepyboomGamer 3 года назад

      There are a lot of betas for this game, so that would be a good idea.

  • @M_Alexander
    @M_Alexander 3 года назад +2

    "Some of the coolest characters in the series and Charmy."

    • @M_Alexander
      @M_Alexander 7 месяцев назад

      @JayDon-gp5yc ...I stand by what I said three years ago

    • @M_Alexander
      @M_Alexander 7 месяцев назад

      @JayDon-gp5yc I cannot adequately express just how unconcerned I am at this moment

  • @alexlin465-
    @alexlin465- 3 года назад +20

    but first i wanna talk about ray-
    me: nah pass

  • @daveshousestudio
    @daveshousestudio 2 года назад

    The Eggman animation of him raising his hands looks like he would be juggling emeralds like he did in the "try again" screen in classic games when you don't collect all the emeralds upon completion of the game

  • @desklamp08
    @desklamp08 3 года назад +9

    me:*sees a comment from 6 hours ago* cool
    also me:*sees that the video was posted 1 minute ago*
    wait a minute

  • @Purpl_Cat
    @Purpl_Cat 3 года назад

    the animal capture is correct, why i say this is because it looks like the characters would pull up that ring part and free the animals, but we dont know, maybe it could spit out lots of coins or something

  • @looloonoodle
    @looloonoodle 2 года назад +3

    2:23 Just pause the video here and read the text.
    What the fu-

  • @alieneko_nyo
    @alieneko_nyo 3 года назад +1

    4:03 WHY DID YOU DO THAT-

  • @olpendoomandagi5565
    @olpendoomandagi5565 3 года назад +10

    Can you do Chibi Robo Lost Bits with Scott the Woz?

  • @IcedOcean
    @IcedOcean 2 года назад +1

    Yknow, that Eggman sprite might have been meant for him to juggle emeralds in the bad ending

  • @SuperDZ555
    @SuperDZ555 3 года назад +2

    2:43 I REALLY WANNA KNOW HOW THOSE VOLUME METER THINGS WORK BUT GOOGLE DOESN'T HELP

  • @Icalasari
    @Icalasari 3 года назад

    12:20 - Buzzsaw Knuckles is not real and can not hurt you
    Buzzsaw Knuckles:

  • @uxw05
    @uxw05 3 года назад +2

    Just a suggestion, but I was wondering if there’s a chance that you could do a World of Goo: Lost Bits eventually

  • @very_clever_name1636
    @very_clever_name1636 3 года назад

    Fun Fact, in some emulators, Ten Star actually wont crash the game, and plays identically to tails. So, yeah, It's pretty obvious Sonic and Tails were planned but ultimately scrapped

  • @toppman7767
    @toppman7767 3 года назад +6

    Hello comment section

  • @mattcoughlin2171
    @mattcoughlin2171 2 года назад +1

    I actually think that the unused skull sprite is knuckle's skull because it kinda has purplish eyes.

  • @SonicTheCutehog
    @SonicTheCutehog 3 года назад

    Seeing more information about the prototypes would be nice. Especially since one of the prototypes has Ten* fully playable and has Tails style of flying, completely confirming it was Tails.

  • @cristiadorel4079
    @cristiadorel4079 9 месяцев назад

    12:18 funfact: this sprite is used in the fangame sonic time twisted in beginning of act 1 of attraction attack and in act 1 and 2 of Drifting Dynamo

  • @frostcore2214
    @frostcore2214 Год назад +1

    3:05 thanks. I didn’t need to see that before I went to sleep

  • @gamerkitten6480
    @gamerkitten6480 2 года назад

    The scrapped Badnik shown at 8:02, I think it might have squirted something, maybe water, as evidence by the lump in it's throat shown in some frames.

  • @Langtree
    @Langtree 3 года назад +1

    please cover more of this game!!! It’s such an interesting part of Sonic / Sega history

  • @ItsJamdo
    @ItsJamdo 2 года назад

    According to sonic wikia (and some of my own digging back in the day) ********** may have the appearance of Knuckles, but he utilizes Mighty's moveset. In the 1207 Beta prototype, ********** had the ability to fly rather than Mighty's Wall Jump. He would tire after a while exactly like Tails, and contained a similar palette consisting of colors suitable for him, such as shades of orange and red.

  • @CerealNumberWDW1984
    @CerealNumberWDW1984 2 года назад

    1:32 unknow sega logo intro probably
    1:37 Sonic.exe PC PORT used audio (in the Hello Illegal Instruction exception screen)

  • @Redman8086
    @Redman8086 3 года назад

    Yes please do an episode on Sonic Crackers! I have a lot of nostalgia for it because, weirdly, when I was a kid I actually found a Sonic Crackers rom before I even knew Knuckles Chaotix existed, so I actually got to play around with the prototype before knowing anything about the final game.

  • @ADjustinG2013
    @ADjustinG2013 2 года назад +1

    Would love to see Whitehead complete this game with all the scrapped content

  • @MrMatthias
    @MrMatthias 3 года назад +1

    What convenient timing. I just finished watching an LP for this game this week.

  • @brobgonalscratchcatXD
    @brobgonalscratchcatXD 2 года назад +1

    Tenstar is named wechidna by the community, and is leftover code from tails.
    He has the same mechanics

  • @epicstar86
    @epicstar86 3 года назад +1

    Also, someone was able to code 10 star to actually work and not crash the game and found out that 10 star has the ability to fly just like Tails

  • @OHapybara
    @OHapybara 3 года назад

    I'd absolutely love to see the prototypes covered as well, especially Crackers, it always kind of fascinated me for some reason.