All your videos that cover this part of the swing,, I have watched. It is without doubt one of the best tutorials out there. Tried it on the range today. Not one fade or slice. Thanks Chris. From the U.K.
Got to say Chris that I've been immersing myself in yours, John Erikson and Bradley Hughes' stuff on the Hogan swing for the last month and my ball striking is off the charts from where it was beforehand. Feel like I'm compressing the crap out of the ball and apart from the odd pull are going arrow straight. What's your thoughts Chris on flatter lie angles, which I've not heard you speak about but John and Bradley are adamant that the great ball strikers Ben Hogan, Knudson, Trevino et al used? Appreciate all your video's Chris, look forward to them all 😀👍
Of the hundreds of you tube golf tutorials I’ve watched, this is the first guy that shows how you come over the top at the P6 position which is what I do and am trying to correct. Everyone shows coming over the top at the transition point. Not everyone does that.
Chris i have no doubt this is a good golf swing what i did notice when doing it was my ball flight was quite high for a 8 iron i wonder if that was because i had the ball to far forward in my stance ?
Chris, a downswing thought should be “handle down, clubhead out. Tiger used to practice that move as a drill. It doesn’t actually happen like that, but it’s a feel that works. That’s the way I’ve been taught the past 10 years. It helps prevent coming over the top.
Not a given. Many great players and coaches and Chris here is saying just the opposite. It's not that the angle is held per se, rather the body is moving in a way so the angle is not released actively per a throw. IMO, it can be done both ways, but keep in mind an active move (throw) adds an element of complexity to the swing. 5 Lessons complicates the picture because Hogan is illustrated as skipping a rock action (throw), but elsewhere he seems to favor keeping the index finger pressing against the shaft in the downswing which could be use in driving the right hand angle or in releasing the right hand angle. From slo motion footage of Hogan's downswing and esp. the movement of the club head from the top of swing going down it does not appear he actively is throwing the angle open as you and others suggest. His club head arc does not go skyward as with a throw from the top would suggest. That said, I think this debate is not entirely settled one way or the other although I favor what Chris is saying here.
Ben Hogan opened the clubface from Top of BS to Impact. That is what results in body rotation to square the clubface. As soon as the hands turn down the body stops rotating. That is why Ben Hogan did not turn down his hands... he kept opening them which is why "Level Left" was the result. ie knees, hips, elbows and shoulders were all Level Left following impact. Cannot reach Level left if hands turn down at any point in the DS.
Wish you would be clearer in what you mean he kept opening his hands. At first I thought you meant have more of a cupped wrist. If you mean throwing the wrist angle open vs. trying to retain the angle into impact (whether actively or passively) the see my earlier remark above. This is a highly debatable move and Chris does not agree the wrist angle is thrown open. Some agree/some disagree. Personally, I agree with Chris's opinion. Keep in mind Moe Norman said he doesn't do anything with his hands, they are passive. Yet Sam Snead complimented Moe Norman by saying he had the best pair of hands he had seen (implying active hands/eye hand coordination, etc.)!
"Reverse every natural instinct and do the opposite of what you are inclined to do, and you will probably come very close to having a perfect golf swing".... Ben Hogan @@davida.4933 Hold the club with left wrist cupped.(extension) at top of BS... Now holding the cup, start down to the ball, dropping your right hand below the left hand... keep the cup, all the time. Now you see how the clubface opens, by lowering the right hand below the level (vertically lower) of the left hand... now as you keep rotating the hands , right hand below left(still cupped), more and more notice how it drives your right elbow in toward your right hip.. and right elbow stays bent. now you have reached impact, right elbow bent, right palm facing the sky, left wrist raised. Every gold instructor leads you to believe that the right hand works over the left hand, turns down, Chris says. WRONG. Ben Hogan opened the clubface during the DS, by dropping the right hand lower than the left hand, keeping the cup in left wrist the entire DS, until it has to bow and ulnar deviation at impact.... like a whip
Moe Norman, like Ben Hogan let his hands dictate how his body would support the intention he had with his hands... to do the "Master Move" ie supinate his hands from top of BS through impact. That is what kept the clubface "opening", while his torso was rotating in order to square up the clubface to the inside quadrant of the ball@@davida.4933 ruclips.net/video/r5LEelOEbQg/видео.html it is no wonder that Sam Snead told Moe, that he had the best pair of hands he had seen. Moes hands did exactly what they have to do, just as Ben Hogan, Lee Trevino and George Knudson did before him. ie supinate the trail hand from top of BS through impact.
Our body supports the intention we have of our hands and face. More than 80% of motor neurons are in our face(tongue and lips) and hands. Ref homunculus The proper golf swing motion is so difficult simply because, supination of the trail hand is a very unnatural movement of our hands. Now can you understand why Ben Hogan said: "Reverse every natural instinct and do the opposite of what you are inclined to do, and you will probably come very close to having a perfect golf swing."
All your videos that cover this part of the swing,, I have watched. It is without doubt one of the best tutorials out there.
Tried it on the range today. Not one fade or slice. Thanks Chris. From the U.K.
Wow, thanks for sharing!
This guy is the greatest golf teacher I’ve ever seen. So simple
Thanks.
Got to say Chris that I've been immersing myself in yours, John Erikson and Bradley Hughes' stuff on the Hogan swing for the last month and my ball striking is off the charts from where it was beforehand. Feel like I'm compressing the crap out of the ball and apart from the odd pull are going arrow straight. What's your thoughts Chris on flatter lie angles, which I've not heard you speak about but John and Bradley are adamant that the great ball strikers Ben Hogan, Knudson, Trevino et al used? Appreciate all your video's Chris, look forward to them all 😀👍
Brilliant lesson so clear to understand 👏
Of the hundreds of you tube golf tutorials I’ve watched, this is the first guy that shows how you come over the top at the P6 position which is what I do and am trying to correct. Everyone shows coming over the top at the transition point. Not everyone does that.
Thanks, you are correct. Not everyone does that.
So good thank you
👍👍👌👌
Chris, this was an excellent tutorial. You have a great way of making it easy to understand.
I appreciate that!
Excellent: it all relates to your great work on elbow path!
Thanks.
Thanks again Chris
You bet
Perfect!
Chris i have no doubt this is a good golf swing what i did notice when doing it was my ball flight was quite high for a 8 iron i wonder if that was because i had the ball to far forward in my stance ?
Need more data. What was carry distance? What direction was the ball flight. If off line either direction, how many yards?
@@PolygonGolf chris 125 metres and straight
Chris, a downswing thought should be “handle down, clubhead out. Tiger used to practice that move as a drill. It doesn’t actually happen like that, but it’s a feel that works. That’s the way I’ve been taught the past 10 years.
It helps prevent coming over the top.
Yes - the Release (throw) starts from the Top of the downswing. Thats the secret for speed. No Need to hold anything
Not a given. Many great players and coaches and Chris here is saying
just the opposite. It's not that the angle is held per se, rather the body is
moving in a way so the angle is not released actively per a throw.
IMO, it can be done both ways, but keep in mind an active move (throw) adds an element of complexity to the swing. 5 Lessons complicates the picture because Hogan is illustrated as skipping a rock action (throw), but elsewhere he seems to favor keeping the index finger pressing against the shaft in the downswing which
could be use in driving the right hand angle or in releasing the right hand angle.
From slo motion footage of Hogan's downswing and esp. the movement of the club head from the top of swing going down it does not appear he actively is throwing the angle open as you and others suggest. His club head arc does not go skyward as with a throw from the top would suggest. That said, I think this debate is not entirely settled one way or the other although I favor what Chris is saying here.
The best Player Ever Ben Hogen willl throw. Mike Austin known as well. In Golf steering or hold anything is bullshit.
Could not have said that better myself.
Ben Hogan opened the clubface from Top of BS to Impact. That is what
results in body rotation to square the clubface.
As soon as the hands turn down the body stops rotating.
That is why Ben Hogan did not turn down his hands... he kept opening them
which is why "Level Left" was the result. ie knees, hips, elbows and shoulders were
all Level Left following impact. Cannot reach Level left if hands turn down at any point
in the DS.
Wish you would be clearer in what you mean he kept opening his hands. At first I thought you meant have more of a cupped wrist. If you mean throwing the wrist angle open vs. trying to retain the angle into impact (whether actively or passively) the see my earlier remark above. This is a highly debatable move and Chris does not agree
the wrist angle is thrown open. Some agree/some disagree. Personally, I agree with Chris's opinion. Keep in mind Moe Norman said he doesn't do anything with his hands, they are passive. Yet Sam Snead complimented Moe Norman by saying he had the best pair of hands he had seen (implying active hands/eye hand coordination, etc.)!
"Reverse every natural instinct and do the opposite of what you are inclined to do, and you will probably come very close to having a perfect golf swing".... Ben Hogan @@davida.4933
Hold the club with left wrist cupped.(extension) at top of BS... Now holding the cup, start down to the ball, dropping your right hand below the left hand... keep the cup, all the time.
Now you see how the clubface opens, by lowering the right hand below
the level (vertically lower) of the left hand... now as you keep rotating the hands , right hand below left(still cupped), more and more
notice how it drives your right elbow in toward your right hip.. and right elbow stays bent.
now you have reached impact, right elbow bent, right palm facing the sky, left wrist raised.
Every gold instructor leads you to believe that the right hand works over the left hand, turns down, Chris says. WRONG. Ben Hogan opened the clubface during the DS, by dropping the right hand lower than the left hand, keeping the cup in left wrist the entire DS, until
it has to bow and ulnar deviation at impact.... like a whip
👍👍👍
Moe Norman, like Ben Hogan let his hands dictate how his body would support the intention he had with his hands... to do the "Master Move" ie supinate his hands from top of BS through impact. That is what kept the clubface "opening", while his torso was rotating in order to square up the clubface to the inside quadrant of the ball@@davida.4933
ruclips.net/video/r5LEelOEbQg/видео.html
it is no wonder that Sam Snead told Moe, that he had the best pair of hands he had seen.
Moes hands did exactly what they have to do, just as Ben Hogan, Lee Trevino and George Knudson did before him. ie supinate the trail hand from top of BS through impact.
Our body supports the intention we have of our hands and face. More than 80% of motor neurons are in our face(tongue and lips) and hands. Ref homunculus
The proper golf swing motion is so difficult simply because, supination of the trail hand is a very unnatural movement of our hands.
Now can you understand why Ben Hogan said:
"Reverse every natural instinct and do the opposite of what you are inclined to do, and you will probably come very close to having a perfect golf swing."
So your feeling the shaft staying behind and to the right of you ?
Yep.