When Your Villain is Too Right ~ Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- We could do with some Grindelwald now, I'd say.
00:00 - Intro
00:09 - Overview
01:49 - Grindelwald's Plan
05:17 - World War 2 and Dramatic Irony
08:21 - Vain Attempts to Villainize a Villain
11:56 - Conclusion
13:12 - Outro
also the fact queenie sides with grindlewald either makes her the dumbest human being ever because she can read minds and should be able to tell that grindelwald is evil and lying- or that he legitimately believes what he is saying and legitimately doesnt mean to just massacre muggles etc. It's always been a weird choice for me that queenie switches side especially when she has access to extra information compared to literally everyone else. I know she does apparently struggle to read british peoples minds but i feel like she would have been focused enough on what he was saying and thinking that wouldnt be an issue. So this adds another potential layer to the idea that grindelwald is just right here.
An amazing point!
Easy fix for everything you're saying. Demonstrate that the visions shown are caused by grindelwald, not prevented by him. Movie could stay as is after that.
Crisp and clean. Perfect. And hey, maybe that was what they were going to do if the series didn’t get cancelled for being terrible.
Grindlewald’s ability to see the future just struck me as so weird by HP standards. I’ve only seen the first fantastic beasts movie but heard of this plot point when the second came out (and gee, I never made it to the theater, I wonder why /s)
In HP we know that even wizards who claim to see the future are kind of considered quacks through the character’s attitudes toward Professor Trelawny. In fact it is confirmed that her divination class is mostly useless and that Dumbledore placed her at Hogwarts because she had one prophecy 10 years ago that *she can’t remember*. Idk vaping your way into the future seems sus.
It also makes me think about how the wizards’ ability to stop ww2 was never a question before this movie. In HP, the wizard population appears vanishingly small. There are only 40 kids in Harry’s year that attend a school meant to support all of Great Britain. If we allow for a few outliers that don’t attend Hogwarts, that still amounts to less than fifty wizards being born each year in the UK. Extrapolated worldwide, it’s still a tiny population. HP magic can do great things, but it’s still pretty limited to individual use, I just don’t see how stopping stopping ww2 could even be possible, even if Grindlewald could predict it in the first place.
Sorry, I just woke up and this video popped up on my home page - apparently I had a lot to say about an old movie I will never see 😅
No need to apologise, you made some cracking points.
It is very strange that they undercut the already established funny sort of pseudoscience of seeing the future with a 100% guaranteed, not up for interpretation vision of the future. But I suppose it made it easy to write a bad movie around.
I think wizards probably could stop WW2 before it happened. All it’d take is a little bit of invisibility here, a little bit of mind control there and it’s all called off, and thanks to the aforementioned 100% correct future seeing powers they’d know exactly who to target. And if it did escalate to violence, old Grindelwald could probably do all the fighting on his own. He’s a one man army. He nearly destroys the whole of Paris in this movie and he isn’t even really trying to.
The first movie already established that there are muggles with anti-magic issues. All you need to do is literally make Grindelwald into Magneto. "We're in hiding because of them. We need to be in charge so we can live freely. And then we can show them what it's like to be second-class."
As a side note, I remember thinking that it was really weird that the movie largely takes place in France, yet it's a bunch of Brits and a few Americans that are doing the heroics. Then someone pointed out that the movie was made by Brits, and well, I got a good laugh out of it.
Twist it a bit and you might have a good concept, where a protagonists is on the side of law enforcement against the villain but realizes that the villain despite questionable means and maybe selfish reasons (like wanting all the power) is actually trying to stop something terrible so sides with them and now must walk the delicate balance of not going too far and not getting killed by their new boss if they raise too many concerns, and not wanting their old friends and allies to be killed either...
This exact same thing happened in The Inhumans Marvel show.
The plot is that when people become an adult they're put into this science machine and their secret power is unlocked. If they get a cool, sexy power like super strength, fairy wings or whatever then they get to live in luxary and the upper class. But if they get a kind of lame power like projector eyes or rock hands, then they're sent back to live in the mines and work forever and ever in crappy conditions.
The "good guys" are the king and queen and their closest allies, who oversee and enforce this almost nazi-like status quo. The "bad guy" is the brother of the king who doesn't have any super powers but is part of the royal family so he gets a pass. And he's the only character who looks at this situation and is like "hey, this is kind of messed up actually." And he's 100% right.
So they do the same thing they do with Grindelwald and add in scenes of him just being super evil out of nowhere, but they honestly half arse it. Like the worst thing he does is flirt with his brothers wife and be a bit of a creep. So we're meant to be like "oh well he's a bit misogynistic so I guess I can't be on his side".
Lore of When Your Villain is Too Right ~ Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald momentum 100
Excellent. That's literally what I felt too.
Cheers buddy 😁
I feel like this take is looking into the character motivations from a real world outsider pov, not based on what they know. They don’t know WW2 will happen they don’t know it exists on such a scale. We, the audience do, because we are watching a movie set in the past dripping in metaphors.
The movie even has Jacob as someone who was in WW1 and thinks “not again”. He’s a human who doesn’t want to see another war after just finally getting a life together and business ect.
Plus, the whole point of the heroes pov (& especially Dumbledore) is knowing Grindlewald lies and manipulates. So based on their intel and experiences, they are trying to stop wizard Hitler. They aren’t in any way supporting the actual in story nazis or ww2 happening. Their immediate problem is this wizard supremacist who wants to enslave muggles.
That’s exactly what the take is, even do a section on the dramatic irony of the whole thing. The video’s more about the position the movie puts the audience. We know WW2 will happen so we know for a fact that Grindy isn’t lying, but we are watching our heroes try to stop him anyway. Regardless of whether the good guys know it or not they are fighting to make WW2 happen.
🔥
Thing is and I dont remember this being in the movie but just stopping WW2 from happening doesnt mean humanity wouldn't something similar or maybe even worse. Think about the cold war. Maybe if WW2 hadn't happened russia and the USA would have escalated the cold war into an actual war. I think despite the horrific things that happened during the war humanity had to find out how much they could destroy and fuck up.
Nice video btw I normally dont watch videos with under 1000 views in fear of bad quality but your editing, sound quality and way of speaking is very good and definitely worth a watch
Thanks a lot for the kind words. 😁
Very good points and totally agree that WW2 happening probably stopped some other terrible things happening down the line, though having wizards stop WW2 and then in charge might also stop those future terrible things.
Sounds like you're saying you wouldn't stop Hitler given the chance because of a thought exercise with no evidence lol
@@erichmyles4481 ^ This is your brain on woke
But, in universe, the heroes chose not to do anything to help save people from WW2.
They have literal magic, even if they don't completely stop the war, they could've saved some of the innocent people who were tortured and murdered.
Amen.
You know, I wonder who ask for this ? Like in a serie of film call FANTASTIC BEAST, who wanted the story of why did Wizard never stop WW2 ? Did J.K got annoy by people asking that and she decided to take the worst answer immaginable.
The first movie was good since it focus on the animal. The entire political sub plot was boring and the second movie is just a bad political plot where nothing important happen.
Pretty sure JK just thinks WW2 was a net positive.