Evolution of Doomfist - Overwatch Meta Archives
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- Опубликовано: 6 дек 2021
- Doomfist is a hero that began as just a name and a gauntlet, a supervillain of the Overwatch universe was brewing behind the scenes waiting to strike.
Over a prolonged period and a mysterious attack on Numbani, Doomfist was revealed to the world as Overwatch’s 25th hero. The Doomfist we all know today is not the same as when he was first released, with many adjustments to his kit over the years that have altered his playstyle and competitive viability.
Today, we are telling the story about how a buggy melee brawler introduced into an FPS was transformed and became one of the heroes that ushered in the infamous era of GOATS.
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Hey everyone, if you enjoyed this video, we actually have another piece that is a deep dive into the "Hackfist" meta where Doomfist and Sombra defined the meta: ruclips.net/video/yP9yYdIVxek/видео.html
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@@kalobsprague2051 7⁷77
that time where everyone wanted Terry Crews to be Doomfist... and the animation with terry crews sounds is amazing! POWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRR
I remember watching a funny edit of Doomfist gameplay, but his voicelines were changed to Terry's voice xD
I still think they could add the first and second doomfists and have terry voice one of them.
As a skin ofcourse
I'm glad its not Terry Cruz have you played crack down, annoying
Now i gotta find this video 😆
@@kosmosfan01 ruclips.net/video/XIjzii9a4Nc/видео.html is the animation and ruclips.net/video/nO_NnPXVD8g/видео.html is the "ingame" soundboard
Speaking as an off-tank main, doomfist is definitely always either the most annoying thing ever or a practical joke.
That being said, I don't have that much of a problem with him being in the meta game, as a doomfist on my OWN team gives me a feeling akin to playing Zarya with a Reinhardt.
When I play Zarya, having a communicative doom is a bigger godsend than having a rein lucio rush comp imo. He makes soo much space, does soo much burst damage, mixed with a high dmg flank Zarya we would just demolish the team.
@@user-xz9fw6lk3p don't even need to communicate tbh. If you always keep your charge and stay alive. And he ain't doing rollouts 24/7 you'll still catch him flying around quite a bit.
Schrodinger’s doom fist - either owl gameplay or absolute jokes and you’ll never know what kind of df you have on your team until he already fly into the enemy team
"And they say..."
chivalry is dead.
And they say And they say And they say And they say chivalry is dead
"Go and sit down."
Then the team who literally named themselves as AND THEY SAY
ANDAYSAY
im sorry to all the victims of good doomfist players but there is nothing in this game that compares to the fun of flying around and doing combos with this man.
Only thing more fun that doom parkour is locking Cree and climbing your way to GM by pressing E + RMB zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Haha I used to main Doom, thousands of hours.
Black man with a metal hand proceeds to fly through the air by sliding on weird map geometry
Me in overwatch 2: look at how they massacred my boy
I never played overwatch 1 but 15 damage is ridiculous
I'd take any ow2 version of doomfist over old doom
@@diablotry5154 you are definitely a support main
@@Walker-jh3jm nah, i play flex. Sorry to tell you but an ability that one shots with a fairly short cooldown is not good for anyone except for the person playing doom
@@diablotry5154 honzo, widow, soljourn.
3:18 i mean only if uppercut doesn't screw you over by the enemy grinding against 1 pixel geometry making them not go up in the air or get pushed to the side throwing off your primary fires and denying kill.
it's honestly better to punch the enemy than go for slam uppercut since slam uppercut is super inconsistent.
doom is such a fun hero, i just wish he wasn't plagued with bugs and his abilities being super inconsistent.
For those wondering, the video includes some of this guys plays. Absolute unit when it come to DF rollouts.
@@Nom8d imo my favourite doom player is Zbra
?? What do YOU know about doom. Youre probably just a gold player who eats chips at your desk all day…
@@tenoremodernotecnicavecchi2151 lmao yeah okay bro
@@GetQuakedOn little does he know... btw i love your doom plays, so inspiring
I feel so bad for Doom players, as a support main, he was always a menace to see and immediately tried to warn my teammates when I saw him but now he's has no mobility, or damage, even tho he has more health, that doesn't make up for anything
the damage thing is right but the mobility thing is just plain wrong, doom's mobility is still among the best in overwatch and its made him my favorite tank to play even in comp matches
Me as a doom otp who plays dead by daylight with enemy supports and snipers and even dps:
🗿🍷
"he has no mobility" ... The fuck? Doomfist is the most mobile tank. Man has never faced a good doomfist.
Oh my god a support main agreeing that Doom does no damage? I still see Mercy mains mainly bitching about his punch like- mate. It does 100 damage max with no empowerment and does 170 WITH being empowered.
With 400+ hours on doom I can say that his the definition of the middle child for the community, you either love him or hate him but at the end of the day his there.
@@AppleL591 so you and I are practically the same then yeah?
400? noob
so how do you feel about him now?
@@yahia5476 they somehow lowered his skill ceiling and made him more difficult. Idk how to explain it but when I do pop off on him it feels amazing. I feel like he still has a lot of work to be done but he could be good if they change a lot about him and tanks in general
Doomfist is legit the biggest risk vs reward character to ever exist
Legit you either destroy or get destroyed, there is no in-between with Doom
Edit: I’m basically trying to say there’s so much risk playing doom that he’s utterly shit. Like just play widow or something, doom is the worst hero in the game right now
Then you have the forums going OPAF, No skill broken one shot then they forget that tracer, cowboy man and widow are more broken than doom
Yeah but for you to destroy you hsve to be good AND hope for the best... unlike most heroes where just being good will land you a easy time playing!
That's why he will always feel simultaneously completely overpowered and complete garbage
Doom needs full attention from the team to be reliable. When he dives in you best prepare to assist him whatever you can because he can die in a split second if left unchecked.
@@knox7945 yeah but people dont think about that, this video for example had a ball player backing Zbra up but they just see him going and killing people so Doom must be unstoppable right? OVERPOWERED!
I dont get how Doom is so "obnoxiously overpowered" but he isnt a as frequent of a pick on GM, T500 and even on OWL... its almost like hes a niche and inconsistent hero!
Still the coolest hero they created and by far one of the highest skill floors and ceilings in the game...
Sombra can give him a run for his money. I love both
@@ILIKEBACON17 no she cant, she literally has no way to use her kit outside of the expected ways and even if we just look at their basic kits and ignore tech, hes way more versatile and has more risk to his plays.
Sombra can hold left click for less than a second and she can turn a hero off... Wow!
She can go invisible... thats cool but you cant do anything with it except scout and position yourself.
Her ult is a no brainer, just pop and if you hit atleast 2 with that jupiter sized ult ypure good, not very interactive lile meteor strike but i admite is hundreds of times better!
She TPs to her starting point reseting... not fun, not risky, not fair, literally a free out of jsil card with what is essentially no cooldown...
Im sorry but she simply canmot compare, i understand you liling her abd i respect that but for example i dont really play much tanks but ball is definitely more fun than lets say orisa simply because you have more to do and what you can do is versatile enough to be applicable in other ways.
@@ILIKEBACON17 definitely not in terms of skill expression, but sombra is cool i guess
@@heythisisntxboxrl5174 yeah, Tracer still my main and i find her cool but i cant compare her to Dooms kit.
He has a very low skill floor, actually, but I think that's what you meant anyway. Also, Sombra has a ton of interesting playstyles, just watch APAC OWL this past season or even someone like Fitzyhere
Playing him now is so awful... He was my favorite hero because of how unique and rewarding he was. Plus yknow, nothing beat the parkour fun.
My boy... look how they massacred my boy
Yeah man I hope they revert the changes, one can dream.
They even removed all the combos from the game wtf
Went from a sniper's worst nightmare to an ult battery.
@@vivelespatat2670 Sad.
One shot doom was cancer lol
Doomfist is the most inconsistent character in the game, which from a competitive viewpoint makes him super weak. You have to do so much and have at least 30+ hours on and a good understanding of the character's mobility options before you can start doing work with him.
But then if you just switch to Cree, you'll immediately have a bigger impact for much less effort put in.
I used to exclusively play Zenyatta -- even though I don't play anymore, I like to stare off into the sunset expecting to see Doomfist fly in from across the horizon like a majestic eagle hurdling towards me, ready to uppercut, headshot, and return to his people.
3:04 this still happens constantly! I dont know if it was just worse back then, but when you need to make fast, cludge ults, you can often end up on those 3 pixels above a door or an unreachable roof...........
It's spelled clutch
(Like the thing in your car)
OH and I hate doom fist :(
@@SuperDeinVadda Only heard it pronounced so had no idea. Doom is life. When he works as intended
Doom and Brig have a weird sameness to their design. Just the opposite way. Doom is supposed to reward high skill plays but really is trash at top tier and completely holds low rank lobbies hostage. Brig was designed to be the beginner friendly hero, that looses value at higher ranks. But needs too much brain for the low rank player and is way too dominant at higher ranks.
Interesting observation!
Thats it, you know too much! Hahaha
True
The drv team said they wanted to add easier heroes into the game so more casual players can climb the ladder in a COMPETETIVE GAME THAT SHOULD REWARD SKILL btw
@@spyhy4019 Doom cpuldnt be farther from easy hahahaha
even though I'm a support main and hate playing against him, Doom doesn't need nerfs. Its mainly my own inability to deal with him that makes him so annoying, not his numbers or mobility. His grunts are so loud, you can hear him practically from the other side of the map. He's already such a niche pick in a meta that always favors long range hitscan characters. Though I don't want to see him buffed either tbh.
Tank Doom will probably have Hog levels of freedom...i imagine an actual mlnstrosity of a hero... i guess people will finally have reason to call him OP ahhahaahahah
@@vitorvena Damn. I haven't even thought of that lmao sounds terrifying
@@arrowsecho5779 yeah, people legit think him being a Tank will fix the "issue" lol...
He cannot exist as a Tank without being buffed up because he will be mediocre at his job of "Tank" and they cant really reduce his deadlyness, atleast not by much otherwise he will just be a glorified winston... now imagine Hog but with Ball mobility!
*We are F#&@ed!*
@@vitorvena You're forgetting that there isn't going to be a tank role anymore, it's being reworked into a brawler role - a role which Doomfist may fit into quite well.
@@Mystery-pd6jc ... my guy that isnt the point and no, tanks will indeed be more "offensive" but theyre not removing shields and im dead sure we will continue to see characters like rein, dva and sigma be leading roles of comps due to their abilities to deny damage.
To that i say, Doom will be a nightmare like i already explained, but whenever the meta demands a proper tank that can deny damage he will be miserable at it!
I can see a future where Doom is indeed worthy of being called bRokEn because of his status as a tank which will demand that the eneny team coordenates a proper shutdown or they are "Doomed" and he will be hated because of it and i also see Doom players being hated and flamed by their own team because theyre not providing damage mitigation and not picling the characters more flexable to do so just like how Hog and Ball players are because of those two heroes not having any sort of protection that can be given to teammates... theyre lurely meant to confirm kills and create space, playing without a shield will be harder and people will expect more fromthe tanks SPECIALLY when we remenber that there will only be ONE on each team!
1:43 im not gonna sugarcoat it
Never forget what they took from us.
Evolution of GambleFist is a more fitting title. Gambling away at my abilities hoping they work 🙏 which most of time they don't.
BugFist RNGfist
5:03 tf2 demonkight mains "its trimpin time"
and now they banished him to the shadow realm basically
such an amazing analysis, your videos provide such great in depth information and conclusions that I really think you are a top overwatch creator that should be more recognized and appreciated
thank you very much for another fascinating video
Wow, thank you!
There will never be a doomfist "meta" and there has never been one. Other characters enabled him to shine. Blizzard nerfed him hard enough that he isn't dominant and complained about too much anymore. They will not make the mistake of buffing him because they know they will get a lot of complaints.
His "meta" was indeed entirely dependant on other heroes being both in and out of the meta...
Thats a thing, people say "you Either destroy or feed as Doomfist" but they dont realize why, the fact is, most heroes just need you to be good with it for you to profit but Doomfist is not like that, you have to be extremely good and well versed with everything related to his different playstyles which is already more than what 90% of the roster requires from their respective players but you also need to pray to god abd hope that your character actually works instead of bugging out OR that nobody on the enemy decides to hard counter you...
On the other hand, he still pretty hated but most of the comllaints are beyond stupid, like a Cree alone in the open with no CDs and half HP thinking he can poke a Doom, its illogical because he will close the gap and murk you... but so would a widow, tracer, hanzo, genji, even supports like ana or lucio but in the moment these players would just cry about him... specially streamers...
Zbra is a really good Doom and he likes to tilt people for content, KarQ shut him down as Ana just by "expecting" him and its in video for everybody to see... but a guy like the "Pro MLG player" Custa cannot die once to a DF during a match regardless of context because he will legit throw the game by not focusing on the gameplay just to rant about how "bRoKeN dOoMFisT" is as a hero.
The Hackfist countercomp was pretty doom focused but it's probably the closest he'll ever get
@@Undeafeatedable still needed to be enabled af...
Doom is way too niche and inconcistent to lead a comp like that, in fact most comps arent really centered on a specific hero but some do but Doom isnt good enough for that privilege.
I mean u could say the "meta" thing about almost every hero, it's almost never that one hero is extremely overpowered it's that a combination of heroes is overpowered
@@nma1992 Yes but in the case where that one hero is so op that a meta is built entirely around them (Ana, Mercy and Brig for example had that happen) Doom wouldnt classify because he lacks THE most importabt thing in this game: Consistency!
In our wiser, ow2 playing selves I think I can day it'll be a bit before doom is back in the meta...
It's an honor to have clips from my videos featured at 2:25 and 5:09. Great video.
Would love one of these kinds of videos for the rest of the heroes. Or atleast the ones that changed the most since launch
He can be frustrating to play against sometimes, but Doomfist is imo the most fun character to play as in OW. Risk/reward decisions means you live or die based on how intelligently you plan and execute your engages, and get multikills as Doom feels like nothing else in the game other than maybe getting a fat Earthshatter or Dragonblade.
Tbh the only comoarable thing is a pure Blade, nano blade on the other hand is way too effective when compared to DF and his struggles...
But yes, hes awesome!
As a support main, Doomfist was my greatest nightmare.. I literally had dreams where he killed would punch me to death and legit kill me.. Because everytime i was playing, all i needed to think of was "Where is doom? He should arrive here any second.. Where will he come from? How will he strike? From where?! How will he kill me?!?!" and then youd see him fying at you with his ground slam from a different planet, slam you down, knock you up, punch you into a wall, 2 tap your face or even just one shot ult you.. (I mostly played Zen and Ana :')" and the best part is when he'd fly away completely fine because no one could kill him and all his cool downs were already gone + he had a 2x health bar.
Hearing about overwatch's history makes me nostalgic.. great video as always!
always a good day for Akshon videos
I'd love to watch videos of this style for each hero, they'd be really entertaining and lowkey nostalgic.
As someone who hasn't played/watched overwatch from the begin, it's also interesting to see how the heroes have evolved
I want his Uppercut back.
I miss DPS doomfist.
The cryptic attack on Numbani was revealed to be Orisa and her story. Doomfist came a bit later. Great video!
I think it's funny how the only doomfist bugs that have been fixed are the ones that benefited him
We rly need more Meta Archives… plz bring more!
Doomfist is to Overwatch
What a beggars Bazooka Soldier is to TF2
Glass cannons are amazing, Rushdown Glass cannons even more
Tanky Glasscannons now thats awesome, Falco and Ganondorf are cool for a reason in Smash
Does anyone know if any Blizzard devs have ever given a talk or done a write up about why a lot of Overwatch's abilities have turned out to be so difficult to debug? I get the impression that there's a lot of tricky and interesting problem-solving that goes into making the geometry of these abilities feel right. It'd be great if they'd share some of what they've learned along the way.
I really like this idea
Before Doom came out I always thought he'd be a tank hero. Similar to ball.
That seems to be what blizz is changing him to for OW2.
dps doom can't be balanced, he's either going to be too weak or too strong. so making him into a tank makes a lot of sense.
@@moezbadboy and destroys all the techs and fun moments of this char.Yeah,good change.Ball,but without fun.
I prefer the seemgly comedic, but Dangerously way more fitting name: BoomFist, as he's more of a knockouter than a dread,
a seemy funny name, that when you see what he's done it could not be more fitting.
"Come at the king, better not miss."
And now they nerfed him to the ground and he's the worst in the game.
That's not gonna stop me tho I've been maining him since he came out
Definitely made one about cree as he was probably one of the strongest DPS heros tl touch the game at one point
Let's go, i love this series
I like the cinematic approach to this video, gives a cool feeling to it.
Took me a while to realize the best way to play him was to use only 2 abilities to kill and one to run. After that I was good in mid-tier and QP.
He was always the get in get out guy yeah.
I love these videos explaining a time before I started playing at the end of 2018. I knew Doom is a buggy hero but damn his history is wild. Watching Doom players go off on rollout montages is so entertaining to watch.
50+ bugs to this day. Most of them you have to “exploit” to get any value of the character.
@@iclickheadz That's what makes it all the more entertaining to watch for me. That dedication to learn a hero like Doom that deeply because he can be so much better makes for some funny surprise plays like the angle punch on Anubis.
it's called diagonal punch or diag for short
@@poke9395 Oh okay. Makes sense 😆
with the release of overwatch 2 doomfist has been switched to tank which i personally dont like he was doing perfectly as a dps but yet somehow they swapped him to tank :(
More like this please!
"enemies sliding off walls without damage" is something that still happens today, he's still buggy as shit and even worse than buggy
Any chance for Genji meta archives somewhere in the future? Pleeeeease!
doom rollouts are the only reason i still play this game ngl
Interesting choice to show a streamer's clip of complaining about when Doomfist was buggy when first released while the streamer was playing Sigma, a character that came out much, much later
that first background song is fire
Does anyone know what website that the information from 7:23 is from? I'd really like to see the information there.
7:23 where is this page? looks interesting and a good look back at nostalgia
5:34 Where can I find more of this list? It's hilarious.
I need it too
I just realized it because of you and yeah pretty funny hahahahhaah
the fact we have Quake in the video makes it so nice and cozy to watch. ZBRA and Quake ftw
Ah, one of my favourite OW content creators reviewing my most hated OW hero.
This should be fun
I don't play Overwatch anymore but I'd watch this series!
7:22 Was the list of meta season by season made by you ? Is there a way to find it somewhere ?
CS:GO: line up the perfect angle to chuck a smoke grenade
Overwatch: line up the perfect angle to fling yourself into the enemy's backline and gib a zen, then desperately fling yourself back towards your team
I would have mentioned hackfist as well
Doom fist is either the single reason your team lost or one hell of an Ult Charge.
That's very true. He's either the final boss, or a critter you kill for fun
7:23 where can we find this list??
Sadge to not see Doomfist in the HackFist comp by Element Mystic in duo with Sombra to counter Goat's comps
As a doom main maybe I’m biased, but his ult needs a buff. Should land faster so you don’t always have to predict their movements you can just move it over them without them just walking out of it. Also think they should revert his primary fire to some capacity.
i am hoping there with be a brawl meta but with high mobility so kinda like a dive brawl hybrid. would be fun to play
Thanks!
No problem!
Dude, doomfist could trimp? That's awesome!
still can i do it all the time theres still alot of techs but almost nowhere near the amount as in the past
And to this day Doomfist is still plagued with bugs dealing no damage.
I think the only thing Doomfist “needs” right now is a Cc reduction passive as it’s mainly what causes him to unexist.
Well as a doom otp 4k sr,i could say this will be too op what he really need is a buff on his ultimate(like the one in experimental) and revert the self stun on uppercut
@@shenku9615 yeah I actually was going to say that but I seem to have forgotten, he should 100% be given some because his Ult is kinda shit. (Probably damage less drop off, quicker landing speed, a tiny bit of stun immunity when landing and an actual literal Hitbox in the center)
As for the CC thing though my thought for a on that was this:
Doomfist Now has a 20% reduction to Hard Cc (Stunned for shorter time) + 10% per 25 additional shields he has
Doomfist gains 30 Shield when hit with a Hard Cc.
As for the upper cut though, I can’t really say anything about it because I don’t really know much about that aspect of his kit.
I see
man i miss old doom
Doomfist is definitely High Risk Low Reward
truee
Blizzard doesn't understand doom, and they never will. Us doom mains play him completely different from how blizzard intended him to be played. They should bring in some of the doom gods to help properly balance doom.
I always found it funny that doom became meta after the HUGE e shift and ult nerf (3:56)
He didn't.
After those nerfs (December 2018), he was not played at all (except OTP) --- after that, he got his Slam and Uppercut CD reduced from 7 to 6 and slam was fixed to pull/push enemies again (around April/May 2019). Two months later, double shield was manifested and DF became meta.
Doom needs quality of life changes really. Very small buffs or fixing things like sliders. It's just that characters like cree still need are overpowered rn.
The story of an overpowered buggy melee character in an FPS game and his journey into becoming a non viable Buggy melee character in an FPS game
Good vid, nice to know how doomfist came to be (and goats)
He’s so booty now Bro.
Actually he’s viable🤓 all you need is 509 hours!
Max 5 hours of unstopping picking 😢
1:07 well not set in stone, but foreshadowed
Do a meta archive on when torb was meta in the OWL for like a week lol
Wow, this video is insane. Thanks for carrying Overwatch content, I’d love to see more of this
2022: Tank
Wasn't he fairly decent during the beta but then became complete shite
@@taistealai5523 according to different sources, he was. But later on as bigger, stronger tanks like Mauga and Ramattra were released, doom became less of a tank and more of a crippled DPS.
i love doomfist
8:25 damn those guys must have had a lot of hate inside them
7:40 Where can I see this entire list for all seasons?
+1
What is the music used? It’s amazing
Was wondering when i'll see another Evolution Of video! Would like to see Symmetra next! Her skills changed a lot over the years.
i just dont want doom to be considered a throwpick anymore 🥺
Me too bro, me too.
The one hero i never want on my team or on the enemy team
Doomfist is a balanced mess.. He isn't strong like you think he would be on paper, but his skill ceiling is so high which allows him the opportunity to feel oppressive in the right hands, it's his "easy oneshot" that keeps his skill floor low enough to be picked up by anyone. And a terrible damage dealing ultimate for a dps. I think blizzard noticed that doom mains use it more for escaping, combo extending, and positioning;so they nerfed the damage range on it so you cant have both.
If you give doom a buff all he needs is the 20m slam and bug fixes. If you were to nerf him, ult generation by 5%.. 8% if they buff the ultimate. The ultimate ability is supposed to be strong, meteor strike is strong on paper, but in practice it's lacking as a dps ultimate.
He can fit into most team comps, but is weak against many. He is a team based hero in a team based game. If he doesn't get any support from his team, he is going to feed non stop. Dump resources into him and he is unkillable.
Most of what makes a good doomfist player is your ability to read the fight and outplay enemy cool downs. His entire cooldown rotation is easy, but the power comes from understanding certain interactions and outplaying your opponent accordingly.
Tldr. Fix the bugs, smarter doomfist wins, git gud.
Playing doom fist is the only reason I come back to over watch. His insane mobility is so addicted. Flying over roofs then hitting that 125 slam on the back like is so rewarding
That my only reason why i play ow too. Cause when i play doom its just so fun but when i have to play cassidy (cree) i just get off after that round cause its just so boring.
@@tibolion2883 the dopamine rush you get from doing rollouts are next to none
how we went from a dps that was able to take down tanks to a tank that at full charge cant kill a tracer wtf
i mean yeah damagi is not that good but doom is really fun now and he does feel strong, not that he actually is strong idk idc, so yeah, i think tank doom is better being a tank he feels a lot more like an actuall powerful villan he is
What Doomfist needs is bugfixes and he would be a god xD
2021 his punch still slides , his meteor strike is weak af.
Where can I find that website that shows the meta for each season
can anyone tell me what website is it shows the meta of eacg seasons pls
Thats my main forever