How to Play Pinball - Death Save
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- Craig Pullen, UK Pinball Champion, explains how to do the Death Save - saving the ball as it drains via the right outlane by shifting the machine at the right time to bounce the ball back into play.
This is not a legal move in competition play, and don't let your local pub owner catch you. But the ability to execute this move effectively will gain you much street cred.
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Able to be done on a tabletop pinball as well. I do this on my Tomy Astro Shooter and it makes me feel like a badass every time. It's actually more difficult to do, because the angles are different on a smaller table too. :)
On earlier data east games like lethal weapon 3 and rocky and bullwinkle, you definitely can do it without a warning at all if you do it right. and many of the games give you points for doing it!
I do this on machines all the time in the bar, it depends how sensitive the tilt is set and how fast the ball is going and timing, I find if you move the machine to the left and palm the front of the machine it won't tilt as easily!
i've done this several times on several different machines even my own home machines. It's hard to pull off but with practice it gets easier. Super stiff games that don't lean at all when you nudge them sideways will be nearly impossible to do this on. I've done this move without causing a tilt warning before and yes the tilt bob was on and working fine. Usually however you will get a warning and if you're on your last warning it will tilt. But if you have warnings left you saved the ball. I've never slam tilted where you move the machine so hard that it completely shuts down. Anyone causing a machine to slam tilt should probably be asked to leave.
Death saves that are nudging the machine is fine, from what I know. Its bang backs and kicking the legs that will get you thrown out. If a ball is coming fast down the right outlane, you can get it to get back on the field without even triggering a tilt.
It also breaks machines and most places will ask you not to return if they see you doing it. Feel free to death save all you want on your own machine at home where any repair bills come out of your own pocket.
Sure it puts some stress on the legs. I agress shoving the machine around 10cm on the floor is a bit bad and gets lot of owners nervous. But what can actually happen? The legs won't break, the metal plate of the ball drain will not bend, the flippers will not be stressed extraordinarily. What might happen? besides a generic "Things might break" i am really curious
If the operator has a problem, set the tilt to be more sensitive. If I'm not smashing the glass, I'm not hurting the machine...
Jeff Sawyer if they did that to me lock kill keys would be put in the machine, can you say lock smith?
Glad I’m not in the arcade business . Couldn’t deal with people who abuse machines for nothing
@@psychiatry-is-eugenics Well I AM, and people do get rough sometimes. I notice it's the local league that does it a lot sometimes.
Some Pinball machines have metal rails installed on each side at the bottom to prevent this trick
In some machines, the death save can be performed if ball drains via the left outlane, in this case you have to move the machine the opposite way it's shown on this video. AFAIR I have done few death saves on my Bally's Truck Stop machine.
What about the competitions with the Pink Panther table? Doesn't it actually detect and score a Death Save?
yeah like others said its all about how tight is the tilt
late to the game.. but two thoughts on this. 1) doesn't the ball going over the switch on the outlane tell the machine the ball is dead? or not till the ball reaches the switches inside the machine? and 2) Why dont pinball manufactures just change the design from the ball hitting a solid wall when draining? There must be easy ways to keep people from doing it.. if there are so many concerns. Thanks for the video!
Companies like Williams actually used to. Certain games from the early 90s featured flipper-length wires hammered down into the playfield that acted as little "speedbumps" for the ball, with the aim to make it much more difficult to save from play. Take a look at the flippers of a World Cup Soccer and you'll see them. :)
What am I doing wrong if it always hits the bottom of the right flipper?
Though I'm no expert, just thinking through the physics, I would expect you aren't pushing enough to the left. For it to hit the bottom of the right bumper I believe you'd need to be hitting too low on the metal plate.
@@guesswho2649 I've starting getting it much more consistently, someone gave me the tip to push more rightwards and less upward and it works great. It's different for every machine though.
does it work on the pinball arcade
Probably
no, this is an illegal technique
Why is it illegal in competition when some games actually reward the move?
Rocky and Bullwinkle gives a score for doing a death save from memory...
Shut up cheater. Just because you play one machines that awards being a thief, doesn't mean most of us don't have standards. 3 years later and you still make me sick.
Some Data East games (e.g. Jurassic Park, Last Action Hero etc.) award points by doing so, and in the case of the latter table, which is available on The Pinball Arcade (even post-WMS), there is a Wizard Goal for doing so
Can this damage physically damage the machine in any way? I was thinking about the legs / leg bolts and leg levellers could be damaged bent or broken.
You'd have to slam it pretty damn hard to do that. The legs on every table I've dealt with are pretty strong
@@anonony9081 hopefully he didn’t still need your answer 5 years later
Pinball machines are really simple with very few moving parts, slamming them around is probably good for them!
so this trick works only for right outlane?
Since the right panel just has the troth where the balls are held...
Correct, but there is a similar technique when the ball drains from the left outlane. It's called a "bang-back". I have never done one myself, but it involves hitting the left front side of the lock-down bar right around the point where the ball is directly below the back of the flipper. Of course this will vary depending on the speed of the ball when it drains. If done correctly, the ball be propelled in a north-eastern direction, onto the right flipper. Obviously you need to hold the left flipper up to do this. This technique is a lot less violent than a death save because the machine isn't moving from side to side (causing stress on the legs/bolts and casters etc.) The "bump" from the front of the lock-down is no different than a slap-save from the side or a nudge which any good pinball player does.
How does this work with "biff bars" because I heard they were designed to stop this sort of thing?
Are "biff bars" the 1/16th inch thick silver bars that run parallel to and on the downhill side of the flippers?
Ah! So that's how It's done! I've been wondering how people do this.
its a illegal move on tournaments :)
cool...a variation of the "mattress" method
Some tournaments will allow it as long as you don't tilt, that is the proper way!
Tough to do without tilting, unless someone has removed the bob.
Does this get you thrown out of the pub?
Yes, it would get you thrown out of mine. Someone broke one of my machines doing this. He claimed someone on RUclips taught him how to do it.
@@The-Eric-Cartman pahahahah
Can this damage the machine
With enough aggression and a grippy enough floor, it won't be doing the leg bolts and brackets a lot of good over time.
It doesn’t always work.
I'm amazed this doesn't cause a tilt every time it's done.
The tilt was toned down for the sake of demonstration here. In tournament settings though, a move like this would almost certainly be enough for a double danger at the very least, and most likely a tilt (followed by being kicked from the tournament!)
In practice, it does. In a previous video demonstrating nudging, this guy opened the coin door and showed his tilt bob, which was completely below the contact ring. No arcade is going to have their tilt bobs set that low, and if you inflict a “death save” to a machine in the wrong establishment, the owner may inflict a similar blow to your groin.
it causes tilt instantly in every tournament
I bet that all of his lessons are no glass, so he can show a scenario without waiting for it and just set it up by moving the ball with his hand.
It is a bit like in chess using an actual board you can setup a puzzle position, instead of playing with somebody and trying to get to such a position.
Why doesn't it tilt ?
Most pinballs will give you a warning before actually tilting and draining your ball. As long as you haven't had that warning during that ball you'll probably get away with this move. It all depends on how the machine has been set up though - if the tilt is super sensitive and the setting have been set-up (depending on the machine) to not give a warning and tilt immediately.
When the lights flash off on the table briefly, that indicates a tilt warning (and it actually does tilt at 1:15).
because it
is set up badly
Tilt
It’s called nudging... it’s a skill, not cheating
Nudging is definitely a part of the game. It's just up to the operator/tournament directors to decide how much they let you get away with.
Precision on force is necessary (i.e. too little is the same as doing nothing; too much is a *TILT* )
i could only see benefit if your hussling for money
well, you don't see very well then....
Have you ever heard of a thing called Tilt ?
I’ve done it on a machine with fairly sensitive tilt. Got a warning but my ball was saved. Do it strategically and you’ll be fine.
EPIC NO GLASS GAMEPLAY!!
1:29 - 1:34 EPIC!!!
At least he makes it plain that this is cheating, but it's pretty useless even so. I say even without a tilt it's useless, because if you're going to cheat like this, you might as well play without the glass and just place the ball where you want it from time to time.
I don't know, it may be defined as cheating, but I think it's a rather cool move, takes some skill, and will extend the life of your ball when you're playing at the arcade where most people will be playing. most people won't be in the competitions.
Pinball machines are designed to have a tilt so this sort of abuse doesn't happen. As abuse goes, it's clever, and we all have had this happen even if you're playing straight, where for some unknown reasons it goes back up between the two flippers. I think I would prefer just putting the machine on books on one end, so the whole field is flat and therefore would almost never go down the middle. I think a course on bumping the sides at what appropriate sides would be more helpful, assuming they're not so harsh that you need tilt on off to do them. In my own case, I never did learn that side bumping too well, as it distracted me from my attack so much that I didn't really gain, and then you had to hope you didn't have a really sensitive machine to boot. I never owned any of them that I played, so I always had to play by somebody else's rules.
not "abuse'
It's not cheating. Out lanes are cheating.
Yeah… because saving your ball in one of the three areas to lose your ball ruins the point of pinball. Not like it requires skill to pull off or that literally every single other aspect of the game also requires skill.
Bwahaha!!! Cheating !! I love it
I dunno man.. If I saw you swing the machine to the side like that, I'd throw you out lol
try to do that on a real pinball. Not on this toy.
What? That is a real pinball machine
It IS a real Pinball machine, dumbass!
I guess if the goal is to save a few coins cuz you're totally broke. Otherwise...
STRAIGHT . UP . C H E A T I N G. Period. End of story. If you have to use this method you SUCK at pinball.
it is also illegal
and you're right of course
If it’s cheating then why do some games reward it? If you can do it skillfully and not tilt the machine I don’t understand how that would be cheating.
Tilt