Cleaning Copper with Acids

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  • Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
  • Three acids for cleaning copper. 1) White Vinegar, 2) Sparex Number 2 and 3) Toilet Bowl Cleaner. When annealing copper the copper is oxidized. Removing the oxidization and fire scale can be done using these acidic solutions.

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  • @mongoslade9708
    @mongoslade9708 5 лет назад +28

    This guy needs a PBS or NPR station, his voice is very relaxing.

  • @nestorhipolito7271
    @nestorhipolito7271 5 лет назад +5

    Wow I used our acid toilet cleaner ZEP and it cleaned my copper which was corroded for over 15 years. Got tired scrubbing for hours after long hours of boiling with vinegar and salt so I switched to acid toilet bowl cleaner and can’t believe how fast it cleaned my copper bowl. Thank you.
    The wife

  • @ddistrbd1
    @ddistrbd1 3 года назад +2

    George , I have bookmarked all your videos and keep going to them like a reference library,, every one is straight to the point, short and without a fanfare.

    • @897473
      @897473  3 года назад +1

      Thank you. Glad that you like them. An easy way to get to most of the RUclips videos is where I have them listed in categories: gsegmedia.com/?page_id=4657

  • @AldoSchmedack
    @AldoSchmedack 4 года назад +3

    Another good over the counter acid is Oxalic Acid that is in some cleaners like Bar Keepers Friend. Available everywhere and fairly inexpensive. Cleans decades old copper with ease.

    • @897473
      @897473  4 года назад

      Thanks, never heard of it. Will pass along.

  • @hyedenny
    @hyedenny 2 года назад +1

    Rinsing under water doesn't "neutralize" the acid, it merely dilutes it. Vinegar won't do anything unless you put table salt in it, at which point you'll have a weak solution of hydrochloric acid (aka muriatic acid, or swimming pool acid) -- the same thing in your "The Works" toilet bowl cleaner.
    The Sparex is not a "weak acid." it is, in fact a very strong acid (sodium bisulphate which makes a sulphuric acid solution), it's just not as effective at dissolving copper oxides..

  • @897473
    @897473  12 лет назад +3

    What a great comment. Short but positive.

  • @daisy9756
    @daisy9756 3 года назад +2

    Cool! I just wanna clean my old Copper sample for element collection and want to see how long it takes. This video is a good example of the reaction!
    I would definitely choose my toilet cleaner but mixing vinegar and table salt (NaCl) also makes a small amount of Hydrochloric acid (HCl) and it also very fast to clean the Copper.

  • @kittyrings
    @kittyrings 2 года назад

    Holy Moly! I use toilet bowl cleaner all the time!!!!! Lysol 10x ( never dawned on me to use it
    on the copper) I've used the same bowl cleaner to prepare my rocks for engraving) and you were right the bowl cleaner is Quick! I just did a test on a piece of copper jewelry I just soldered and bingo....done deal. Thank you so much for the info.

  • @j822bosh
    @j822bosh 12 лет назад +3

    OK I can see some might not want to make measurements if not needed. I would like to also point out Sparex is the same chemical as pH minus sold with pool supplies.
    Good work on all your videos none the less. I appreciate the tips!

  • @897473
    @897473  12 лет назад

    I've used car wax and that seems to work. But, in reference to your question, wax is labor intensive; applying the wax and then buffing.
    Best choice for me is either a clear lacquer or one of the better clear acrylics such as Krylon or Rust-Oleum.
    There are specialized industrial coatings but most people don't have access to these so I don't use them in any of my videos.
    Thanks for your question!

  • @bluemagnolia7894
    @bluemagnolia7894 4 года назад

    Hi George! Thank you for all these wonderfully made and very informative videos!

    • @897473
      @897473  4 года назад

      You are most welcome. Here is an easy way to find the videos that are most useful for you. gsegmedia.com/?page_id=4657

  • @897473
    @897473  12 лет назад +2

    You are quite welcome and hopefully this will continue.

  • @897473
    @897473  11 лет назад

    Thanks. I've tried to keep this at mild acids. The white vinegar and toliet bowl cleaner are easily accessible. Sparex #2 is especially good and can be ordered online. I think these three are fairly safe if used with caution.
    Appreciate the comment, I'll keep sulphuric acid in mind.

    • @AWIERD1
      @AWIERD1 2 года назад

      Try using a carburizing flame when annealing your copper. You will have carbon on the outside of the copper but unlike a oxidizing flame it won't oxidize the copper and ruin the surface finish

  • @VOODOOSCREENWRITER
    @VOODOOSCREENWRITER 12 лет назад

    Many thanks George. Pleasant to view and LISTEN to.

  • @897473
    @897473  11 лет назад

    Led, you should do a video on those copper cleaners. I am sure a lot of people would be interested.

  • @897473
    @897473  11 лет назад +1

    Salt with vinegar - excellent suggestion!

  • @szatanizmo
    @szatanizmo 10 лет назад

    Thanks for the steel wool polishing idea! Im gonna try this on my motorcycle exhaust pipes :)

  • @DaveMalby
    @DaveMalby 8 месяцев назад +1

    I use Citric Acid - It is safe and Effective.

  • @NOBOX7
    @NOBOX7 12 лет назад

    thanks for posting this, i build with copper and brass on all my prototypes and i offten make a mess of the luster , was gonna dump brasso on all of it but i hate that stuff, its horrible

  • @richardgorton2498
    @richardgorton2498 8 месяцев назад

    Great solutions - may challenge is Cu piping which is in use was tarnished by hydrogen gas from lead-acid batteries. I’ve applied every thing from “Brasso”, to Cu cleaner - neither would remove the tarnish, reverted to 400 Wet dry sand paper. Too much work.
    Suggestions appreciated.

  • @CharlesStruble
    @CharlesStruble 12 лет назад

    Thanks George. Toilet bowl cleaner. I'da never thought of that...

  • @elmametzloff3017
    @elmametzloff3017 2 месяца назад

    George, another thought. What about using Scotch Bright pads as the final polishing method?

  • @897473
    @897473  11 лет назад +1

    Maybe a Brillo pad. But, you've probably already tried that. I have had good luck with soaking pieces in white vinegar. Other than those two ideas, I can't think of anything else.

  • @elmametzloff3017
    @elmametzloff3017 2 месяца назад

    George
    Would you recommend using an ultrasonic bath in conjunction with the acids to help remove the oxidation?

  • @897473
    @897473  11 лет назад +1

    Thanks. I should have another video up in a couple of days.

  • @100lessthanu
    @100lessthanu 10 лет назад

    Thanks, exactly what I was looking for!

  • @leonardopensador
    @leonardopensador 2 года назад

    I mix vinegar of any kind with salt to clean and it usually does a good job of cleaning up natural oxidations. Maybe this works for this case too.

  • @jefflyon100
    @jefflyon100 4 года назад

    Make sure the wire brush is stainless steel, regular carbon steels can leave particles behind that will rust. Be careful with toilet bowl cleaner, some contain hydrochloric acid and the copper should be neutralized with baking soda. It's best practice anyway.

    • @897473
      @897473  4 года назад

      Thanks for your insights.

  • @897473
    @897473  11 лет назад

    That would be buffing, using buffing wheels and buffing compounds.
    I'd suggest searching for a "buffing forum". There are people on the internet that know far more than I do about choosing different types of buff and compounds.
    I did a Google search for "buffing forums" and there a bunch of them.

  • @Hybridbatteryuk
    @Hybridbatteryuk 3 года назад

    Hi gorge I clean copper buss bars on hybrid battery what would u recommend

  • @dakellymon
    @dakellymon 11 лет назад

    Great demo, Thanks

  • @ingoschannel
    @ingoschannel 11 лет назад

    i dont use coppar but i really like your videos

  • @thomasckuzia2867
    @thomasckuzia2867 6 лет назад

    Hi George
    You can use Ph down that is used in swimming pools instead of Sparex

    • @897473
      @897473  6 лет назад

      Thanks Thomas, I'll check that out.

  • @devinzentmyer1946
    @devinzentmyer1946 2 года назад

    I wash masonry with muriatic acid and often have problems with copper on buildings.... ive noticed sprayinv the acid on new copper will turn it green or black.... but it will clean tarnished copper like here in your video but will revert to green/black tarnish after a few days.... any opinion on how to stop the reverting back to tarnish? Maybe a polish or clear coat seal?

  • @897473
    @897473  12 лет назад

    Wish I had a better background in chemistry. There are probably a lot of household produces that can be useful.

  • @lindagutierrez5042
    @lindagutierrez5042 4 года назад

    Excellent

  • @WeebRemover4500
    @WeebRemover4500 4 года назад

    nice, now time for concentrated sulfuric acid and hydrogen peroxide

    • @897473
      @897473  4 года назад

      Thanks for commenting. I've never used that combination.

  • @LanceCampeau
    @LanceCampeau 8 лет назад

    Thank you for posting this info.

    • @897473
      @897473  8 лет назад

      God to hear that it was helpful.

    • @LanceCampeau
      @LanceCampeau 8 лет назад

      I'm looking to get a small oxy torch setup for annealing bronze... any suggestions for a brand/model and reputable supplier?

    • @897473
      @897473  8 лет назад

      I've been using Victor Performer Torches since 1973. I've gone through four or five over that time. Other good names in torches are Smith and Harris. I've had good service and good prices from cyberweld.com and weldingsupply.com. Cyber weld usually offers free shipping. I use oxygen acetylene. For just annealing, you might want to consider propane/oxygen. However, I have no experience with oxygen/propane so you may want to do some research. Not sure what temperature you need. Acetylene is hotter than propane.

    • @LanceCampeau
      @LanceCampeau 8 лет назад

      Well that's an excellent start... I'll do my research. Thanks again for the info!

    • @897473
      @897473  8 лет назад

      Just saw your cymbals. Check out a rosebud torch tip. Allows for annealing large areas. I have one which I use for annealing larger sheets of copper. If you decide on one, be sure that it will fit the torch handle of the torch you purchase. The rosebud tip that i have will fit on one of my torches but not another.

  • @scumboggle1
    @scumboggle1 12 лет назад

    George, Good video. I usually steer clear of working with copper because of its labor intensiveness. A question I have is how to fix the copper when its done to stave off oxidation. A way other than clear coat with laquer.?

  • @mtrltoolman
    @mtrltoolman 7 лет назад

    Great video thank you.

  • @osabir90
    @osabir90 11 лет назад

    how would you get the copper to a mirror finish after the wire brush ie remove the scoring lines of the wire brushing?

  • @897473
    @897473  12 лет назад

    The idea is to make this as simple as possible. Diluting muriatic acid with water just complicates the process.

  • @moonzid007
    @moonzid007 7 лет назад

    would it be HCL use for the cleaning the brass and copper...?

  • @carolcraig4143
    @carolcraig4143 4 года назад

    I love your videos and have learned so much! How long did you leave the annealed copper in the toilet bowl cleaner?

    • @897473
      @897473  4 года назад

      Depending on the strength of the acid. White Vinegar very mild will take some time to remove oxidization. Toilet bowl cleaner is very strong. Almost immediate results. Rubber glove, and safety glasses recommended. Maybe even a mask - very strong fumes. Rinse with water = stops the acid from working. Glad you like the videos.

  • @honidorashi
    @honidorashi 11 лет назад

    Sir, do you know how to clean dirt I think its probably clay from copper? I found this beautiful copper or probably brass candle holders which I dug up from my back yard. I was trying to clean it for weeks, but to no avail. Hope you can help me, thanks.

  • @armyboy0579
    @armyboy0579 6 лет назад

    Would that hydrochloric acid damage the copper pipes to possibly rupturing it unless nutualized with a strong base?

    • @897473
      @897473  6 лет назад

      Good question. I really don't know. Probably best to as a plumber or a chemist. Any time I use acids for cleaning, I make doubly sure I rinse thoroughly with water to neutralize.

  • @moonzid007
    @moonzid007 7 лет назад

    Hydro chloric acid HCL somehow muriatic acid... I was asking, anyhow an experiment will find out. thanks your attention... basically I was trying to find out the technique to clean the copper and brass points after silver recovery they got black rust on all no idea what is it until scratch it.

    • @897473
      @897473  7 лет назад

      Muriatic acid is strong and it has an immediate effect in cleaning copper and brass. I rarely use it, but when I do I only use it outside (Strong Fumes). For your own safety, follow the safety precautions on the container.

  • @markpeacock99
    @markpeacock99 8 лет назад

    George: I have copper rain-gutters - the painter applied a chemical to give the green pantine look - I want to remove this & have concluded that the best way is to get the copper back down to it's original state (as best I can) - any suggestions on what to use on rain gutters? Thanks

    • @897473
      @897473  8 лет назад +1

      +Mark Peacock Note: I don't know what chemical the painter used to turn the copper green. You might start out with some of the milder acids, like white vinegar, toilet bowl cleaner etc. Be sure to wear safety goggles, rubber gloves and a long sleeve shirt. If it was normal oxidation, the acid will turn the copper pink. To get the shiny copper like the bottom of a Revere ware pan, you will need to wire brush or steel wool. Once you have the bright and shiny copper, you will need to treat it with something to prevent oxidization (tarnish). This is all just off the top of my head. You are probably better off checking with paint stores or shops that install copper guttering. You might also do some more research on RUclips. Wish I could be more help, but this is a bit out of my line.

  • @goldsilvercopper5294
    @goldsilvercopper5294 3 года назад

    hello sir great work is that acid proof

    • @897473
      @897473  3 года назад

      Not sure of your question "is that acid proof"?

  • @patallen2004
    @patallen2004 6 лет назад

    Love your videos. I am just starting on this journey and have learned everything from you, except...
    What kind of torch do you use? I have ordered all my supplies but don’t know what to do about the torch.

    • @897473
      @897473  6 лет назад

      Pat, check this video out. After you watch the video you'll probably have more questions, so get back to me. ruclips.net/video/3rzsFAZZkmY/видео.html

  • @ltcajh
    @ltcajh 4 года назад

    Why not go straight to drain cleaner?

  • @bisaisanthi2945
    @bisaisanthi2945 6 лет назад

    Ideas superb

    • @897473
      @897473  6 лет назад

      Thanks for commenting.

  • @animalisticvalues
    @animalisticvalues 11 лет назад +1

    Sulphuric acid works great also but is very harmful and should be kept outside.

  • @surrendramaraj1251
    @surrendramaraj1251 4 года назад

    Good Day,
    What would you use after polishing the copper to keep it from oxidizing?

    • @897473
      @897473  3 года назад

      maybe a wax of some kind.

  • @miguelchacon2717
    @miguelchacon2717 4 года назад

    You can also use muriatic acid also known as hydrochloric acid

    • @897473
      @897473  4 года назад

      Muriatic Acid is strong. I'd suggest only using it after reading and following the directions. Safety is Key.

    • @miguelchacon2717
      @miguelchacon2717 4 года назад

      @@897473 yes i know, i do chemistry and stuff and i even know how to make hydrochloric acid from NaCl so ofcourse i know how to take safety precautions just saying

    • @897473
      @897473  4 года назад

      @@miguelchacon2717 Thanks for your insight. As I said somewhere in the description for that video: I've tried to keep this at mild acids. The white vinegar and toilet bowl cleaner are easily accessible. Sparex #2 is especially good and can be ordered online. I think these three are fairly safe if used with caution".

  • @blitzhomegardennewzealand8171
    @blitzhomegardennewzealand8171 5 лет назад

    How do I submerge my copper roof gutter and downpipe into the solution, then buff them on a rotating bench wheel? ;)

    • @897473
      @897473  5 лет назад

      That is a problem. :} Actually you could paint on an acid solution, spray it off with a garden hose and then buff up with a automotive buffer.

    • @blitzhomegardennewzealand8171
      @blitzhomegardennewzealand8171 5 лет назад

      @@897473 thank you for the advice, I hope to find a paint-on solution :)

  • @MarieJeanne
    @MarieJeanne 9 лет назад

    Great video, relaxing to listen to and watch :)
    I have a question though. We have this pretty big copper statue that's been outside for a couple of years on end. It's not necessarily dirty but it's got this white/blue/green material on it that's hard and rough. Is there anything you recommend on how to clean this? I'm guessing to wash the entire statue as I don't want one area to be spotless and the rest to be in worn condition.

    • @897473
      @897473  9 лет назад

      Thanks for the comment. If it is an expensive copper sculpture, I would have it professionally cleaned. Without actually seeing it I would be hesitant to offer any suggestions.

  • @patallen2004
    @patallen2004 6 лет назад

    Will a propane tank torch work?

    • @897473
      @897473  6 лет назад

      It depends on what you want to do. If want to do brazing, people are having good luck with oxygen propane torches. If you are talking about the little propane tanks at discount stores, I doubt that they have enough heat to braze, You may be able to silver solder. I'd suggest going online and seeing what jewelers are using for a heat source.

  • @shinerise6550
    @shinerise6550 7 лет назад

    How to soften used copper strip

    • @897473
      @897473  7 лет назад

      Soften copper through annealing. Annealing video: ruclips.net/video/3jSz11lz8MA/видео.html

  • @JCNvid
    @JCNvid 6 лет назад

    I George, search on RUclips for 157 SCE. It will probably help you out, although I am not sure it is available in the US.

    • @897473
      @897473  6 лет назад

      I couldn't find it in the US. Checked their RUclips video. They do have a lot of products. Thanks for commenting

    • @JCNvid
      @JCNvid 6 лет назад

      "We" do... :) I am not sure we sell it over there in the US.

    • @kaylanafbb
      @kaylanafbb 6 лет назад

      I checked the video and i'm gonna buy a bottle of this. I'm a Tiffany stained glass designer and i wonder if it also works as a flux on copper foil for 60/40 solder. I'll give it a try. I think it will be great when i work with copper sculptures.

    • @JCNvid
      @JCNvid 6 лет назад

      Lil'moon star , yes, it will also work as a flux. It is actually its main function, cleaning is a nice side effect.

    • @kaylanafbb
      @kaylanafbb 6 лет назад

      I am on the french website but they only have 157, it seems they no longer carry 157 SCE, are you castolin related? I'm french.

  • @greedlusthate
    @greedlusthate 12 лет назад

    cool

  • @897473
    @897473  11 лет назад +1

    If you have a better way you should do a video so others can see how it works.

  • @j822bosh
    @j822bosh 12 лет назад +1

    The toilet bowl cleaner is 20% hydrochloric acid. It might be cheaper to buy a gallon of muriatic acid which is 30% Hydrochloric acid and dilute it with water.
    Also, any solution you use on copper should NOT be used on steel or the dissolved copper will plate on the steel and cause accelerated rusting due to galvanic affect.

  • @theskip1
    @theskip1 6 лет назад

    i think the toilet cleaner is an Alkali not an acid

    • @897473
      @897473  6 лет назад

      www.hunker.com › Home Hacks & Answers ›
      "Most toilet bowl cleaners are acidic because acids are better for breaking down mineral stains, which are most likely what you are cleaning out of your toilet bowl".

    • @theskip1
      @theskip1 6 лет назад

      yes i am thinking of drain cleaner

  • @Hybridbatteryuk
    @Hybridbatteryuk 3 года назад

    Hi gorge I clean copper buss bars on hybrid battery what would u recommend