Nah they tried to dismantle him because he wasnt their token do boi you cant see it from this one sided visual however he defended what he built with an iron fist which is why it took betrayal to defeat him he was impenetrable
Jay looked around & realized he was splitting his money three ways, with Dame & Biggs. He probably said to himself, I can do this on my own & take the whole bag, while eliminating the extra baggage. He was right. 💯
@@dearmingmogul2010 here’s the thing right after that meeting where he yelled at everyone DEF jam basically said that they were going to pull all backing and dissolve the deal that they had cut ties with Jay at the time they had no real issues with outside of his involvement with at the time, def jam pulling its backing would’ve collapsed and devalued the whole roc brand and blackball them in the industry, putting them back to square one that conversation about selling the label Was basically lucrative way of approaching the inevitable but he wanted to own reasonable doubt when Dame said no to that there was no other way to go from a business standpoint. That wasn’t a snake move he tried to look out for his man as much as he could, but dame didn’t see the writing on the wall for what it was
Dame was 110% correct on the Def Jam jacket issue however, when men over-project regularly their heat becomes white noise. Arrogance is a characteristic that has undone many men, better to speak with a quiet voice and carry a BIG stick to condition detractors.
This! All the way. The problem with Dame is you give THEM 110% but you give US 0% of that. Dame sprays the whole room, the others, the inside team, everybody.
Lyor was like let him speak as loud as he wants … I’m still the fckn boss and he proved that shit, he gave Jay Def Jam and left dame out in the cold, homeless, no label and he never recovered and been broke ever since while Jay became a Billionaire. Dame forgot the white boys still own everything including his shit 😂😂😂
No he wasn't right. People keep forgetting it wasn't 3 owners of Rocafella it was 4.... def jam owned 25% of Rocafella. That like telling bleek he can't wear a jacket that say Jay-z on it. Or Dame dash on it
I like Dame. He is always speaking facts and has calmed down a bit in his older years, but I can see why Jay had to part ways back then. Dame was just doing too much! His heart was in the right place, but delivery is everything when you're dealing with other professionals, executives, etc. Sometimes you need to have a little bit more tact and work things out a little more peacefully. Burning bridges eventually leads to less opportunities and dead ends.
Whats too like? I once thought that. Yrs later of paying attention pattern is consistent. He FK'S everything up. No growth& development. Childhood anger
What’s fucked up about this is the fact that Dame was actually right most of the time, he just didn’t know how to be diplomatic. Every problem doesn’t have to be resolved with aggression, some sh*t requires finesse! If he had some composure and finesse, he’d be a billionaire!
You must have been real close to the Rockefeller Camp to know that most of the time dame was right. I mean if he was right so much he should be just as rich as Jay Z is right now? I mean trying to be a celebrity instead of a businessman doesn't sound right to me, he had no Talent. Actually Jay made way more money without Dame.
@@empire7179I was no closer than any other spectator or fan but I think you missed my point. It doesn’t matter how right you are if nobody wants to work with you!
Conducting a meeting about the company or it's artist without informing him is crazy work though and I agree with him that rocafella which they're promoting should've been on the jacket. But he lacked diplomacy which is bad for business
I wasn’t in the room when any of this stuff was going on but I think most people know people like Dame. He’s bigger than life and if you don’t think so just ask him. He has no real talent but telling you he’s the greatest in anything he does. Smart but not smart enough to understand you’re working with someone that’s going places. Sometimes I feel bad for Dame Dash. But then again. That’s Dame Dash. He doesn’t need anybody. 😅
Exactly!!! I damn near can't not laugh literally out loud when after he hits that bald head with those clippers HE ACTUALLY COMBS RIGHT AFTER!!! What's this man combing down?!?!? Maybe the clippers are hitting and taking off stubble growth.. Combing tho??? Really?? Lmao
How did he talk too much? If you have a business and people are going behind your back doing stuff that affects your business. How would you react? You're supposed to sit back and be quiet and let the white man take everything you built. People on the internet are either crazy or don't know anything about business or ethics.
That's why we don't own anything as black people. We sell everything our history, our music, our culture to the white man for money. That's why they own everything and we own nothing we sell our stuff and then work for them on our company.
Same that happened to suge and birdman. Talk so much and wanna be artiste or something too. Shhiiddd this is why Jimmy Ivine still has money and not in issues.
Sonny Corleone was loud, aggressive, intimidating. Michael Corleone was cool, calm, and calculating. It's clear to see who was Roc-A-Fella's Sonny... and who was Roc-A-Fella's Michael.
That was the whole thing. Dame was using Rocawear money to travel and start other businesses. He wasn’t letting Jay know how he was using money from the Rocawear budgets. Dame was wasting too much company money without approval from his partners. Then Dame was falling victim to the camera. OG Juan stays in the background and lets Jay Z be out front. That’s what Jay wanted from Dame. Dame was trying to treat Jay like a worker not a partner. Just like now he says Jay ran off with a pack. That’s what you say about a worker.
@@michaelbatts3691 but nobody wanna hear that part tho but i fuck wit J cuz after almost 20 years of slander the man still dont say nothin bad bout Dame
If u knew that much… then u would know… it’s bcuz this is a topic that they always bring up- even when he tells them not to bring it up before n during the interview.. He even explains this exact thing multiple times.. 🤦♂️ Did u not see what he said to the Breakfast Club? “I don’t wanna talk bout Jay, I’m sick of that shit.. U ain’t tired of this, don’t u know the story already?”…. 🤦♂️
@@KY-YEyet proceeds to talk shit about Jay … you proving his point exactly, don’t nobody care about anything same has to say… he ain’t interesting unless he’s talking about Jay. That’s like Jarule has to talk about 50 cause nobody gives a Fck about what they have to say
Bro just can not 🚫 admit that once 🔂 upon a time you had the whole world 🌍 in your hands and you fumbled everything and you still can't admit it and that is the saddest part of the story Taking accountability for your actions 😞 we all saw you in the videos and everything everything it's like you wanted to be jayz you wanted that spot light you wanted the fame clout and familiarity as a artist when you are the CEO he's in the videos stunting harder than jayz on his own shit
What raps did you write ✍️ Dame to be acting like you are a rapper 😤 or artist you are the damn CEO 👿 stay your ass in the background like your partner goofy
What gets me is the fact Dame never ever takes accountability for his actions on how he burned bridges with people and made himself hard to work with but bitches about how Jay is his downfall like bro c'mon 😂
The comment section full of Jay haters who don't understand how a business run. How Y'all didn't hear the part where Jay call BOTH them to a lunch meeting to let them know he was given that deal. Hov said he would've gave that all up for his baby (Reasonable Doubt). What Y'all thought was gon' happen? Jay leave with nothing? Fuckoutahere!!
Dame was Dame. Same way he was from day one. Jay was just greedy. Don't try to sanitize it just because he becomes a billionaire. There's no heroes in this story.
@@clivet878 when 2 people have different ideas on how to run a business it will eventually break up. Then it comes down to how you negotiate the break. Unfortunately Jay Z was smarter in business and surrounds himself with smart people. We won’t get into the personal crap women, money, personal stuff that’s reported from ROC members. Most people wanted to go with Jay wonder why? And those members became successful wonder why?
@@Cjgotsense Greed. That's all it is. It's not about culture or morals or loyalty. Let's not sanitize it. Those people with their different ideas managed to build something big after all. The reason they parted is greed. If you don't agree, then you're just being deliberately obtuse.
Dame was acting like they didn't have a partnership w/ Def Jam. His perspective was valid h/e it's how you say things. I don't talk to anybody I'm in business with as if they are a child. That sign business has become personal. If i need to talk to you like that i shouldnt be working with you or shouldn't have hired you. So once I'm doing all that yelling, it's over at that point.
And who you think had all the money ? Def Jam did and the minute he got stupid DJ was like we pulling your funding to Jay and Jay was like … Fck this I’m out .
His Greed & Ego were out of control! When he sold his share he got $22million for it, but Jay ended up selling his part for twice as much… and somehow to Dame that means that he owes him? Bcuz he decided to sell his stake early and agreed to the money that was negotiated. He has some freakin nerve SMH!
Jay is the smart one because he was strategic in his business dealings. The most you heard from him was through his music. A lot of people probably thought because he's quiet, he was a pushover........ Wrong. The people you count out are the ones who become hugely successful.
Some say Jay snaked Dame and Biggs in order to walk away w/ everything. Jay met w/ them and told them of the deal he had w/ Def Jam and certainly informed them of the huge payout they'd receive as a result. They agreed and both Biggs and Dame reaped the harvest for what it was worth @ that time. Any other business deal Jay secured had nothing to do w/ Dame. Yet, he still cries...like a baby. Dry it up, put some more bass in that voice, wipe the dirt off your shoulders and keep pushin'!
There’s nothing I saw that showed he was the ultimate hustler or even great at business. Maybe I’m missing something all I saw was he had a product that sold it self( Jay Z). Name one thing he’s done successfully without Jay? Just 1 please
This doesn’t reflect his business. Dame is psycho for sure but he was the business mind behind that movement, Biggs was the money man in the beginning, and jay was the face. Dame went into those meeting and made shit happen.
@@PThunda187So, Jay, who was very adept at making money, managing and multiplying it by selling "pharmaceuticals" waaaay bfor he met Dame n Biggs, was all of a sudden jst good for being d product and face f a brand??? WTF r we talking bt here???
Dame was a hard working back breaker who made sure no one took advantage of u. A good guy to have work for u … always looked out for Jay. But not a true business man. The suits and money got to his head. Sometimes u play along to get along. One for them … and later one for us.
Dame is the perfect example of, “Money cannot fill an empty vessel.” Normally, $30 million would be more than enough for a good person and a “average” businessman to secure the needs of his children and grandchildren for years and he could live out the rest of his life in high comfort and peace. However, a person filled with hubris and a dark heart will be compelled to overreach, dismiss the welfare of others, and fail to look forward. When I met Dame, I could have never predicted he’d be down in the game like this… But, I’m far from surprised. He was radioactive ☢️ and too volatile for him to build anything everlasting.
I’m glad this part of the stories being told. Dame’s been on this “woe is me” “chatty-patty” stuff for over 20 years trying to get everyone on his side. Jay-Z did the right thing!
Dame is such a BEAST and has forsight... He just cant understand that most people arent like him and he gives everyone that attitude that pushes people away
@@derrickfoster824 Dame was the cause of his own down fall and it had nothing to do with Jay Z. If he learned how to conduct himself like a CEO they would probably still be together. This dude has literally burned every bridge he had in the industry.
@@kwakuali2893that's why he's in the hole because they blackballed him from the industry because thats how caucasians are when your stupid enough to socialize with them in anyway where money is concerned because they wanna make money by exploiting people because they have no skill😮
what an absolutely horrible idea to invest $22 million in a woman!! let alone who you’re married to!! no way in hell.. that’s just my opinion though🤷🏽 but we see how that worked out for him
And then have the nerve to say that Jay Z screwed him out of big money mind you Dame was the one who sold early for 22 mil. Zero accountability for this man.
The infamous board meeting interruption would have been much more effective if Dame didn't shout every day. When one makes more noise than is necessary on a daily basis the room becomes aware that the Dog has no bite. Dame's acumen and philosophy is sound, it's his execution that is wrong. When a dangerous man conveys respect people know he is capable of violence.
@@okachobired5856 This. Things were a lot simpler when all they had to focus on was getting his music heard more widely & a deal. Once the success money & attention come it's harder to stay on the same page. His hard headedness was an asset when they were on the grind, not so much as they actually become executives in more than just title.
I think they were friends because Jay didn't need Dame since Reasonable Doubt dropped. What happened is Jay outgrew Dame. Dame was being disrespectful to Jay's position and Jay as a man. Dame was burning bridges and messing with Jay's money. They had a Dr. Dre/Suge Knight dynamic and that's why Dre left. Everyone applauds Dre but put down Jay?!
Dame is jaded by his own hubris, he didn't understand that the only reason he was tolerated with all that yelling and ignorance was because he was rocking with the hottest asset. Now the man who is always talking about making money is mad at that very same asset for making a boat load of money. That's what jealousy looks like. Believing your own hype...."make another Hov" ....."I don't want another one, I've done that already" ~ Dame Dash. Yeah sure you don't but it damn sure looks like you need one...
Pride comes before downfall He also said “I have THINGS to show for being rich broke” Wowzers. It’s so clear now and then why Jay and Roc-a-fella split
Team members all have to play their part and pull their weight. If a team members attitude and work ethic means theyre bringing down the team then its ok to part ways. Blind loyalty for someone who is a liability is foolish
I ain’t going down cause one member wants to be a clown and burned my bridges cause MF don’t know how to act … just cause you got money don’t mean you know how to act like you got money … think about that. Can’t be all ghetto with these execs who own all the labels and the bridges you’re burning and who got 10x more money than you do … it’s business and the white boys were like “he gotta go”
Jay-Z was playing chess. To sell his stake for 204 milly less than a year after Dame sold for 22 million was a smart, savvy move. Patient like a Pit Bull.
Funny thing... NEVER reached that net worth and look at ALLLL the unnecessary BS he was spending money on and BLOWING money on but look at the ex friend billionaire Jay Z who HAS THAT KIND OF MONEY but never spent like Dame! 🤦♂
That's such a small thing to get crazy about everybody knew they were a joint business that it's def jam Rocafella together and everybody recognizes Jay , Bleek n Beenie as rocafella artist not def jam cause they say it in their rhymes so wtf .
Dame is one of those people who just love to hear themselves talk. "What kind of man wants to call somebody boss? No real man does that!" So his own pops wasn't a man? Or his grandpops? So none of the men he had working in his various businesses were real men? He talks like he saying something real deep but when you get past the loud talking and listen, half of what he's saying his just to make himself seem bigger. He likes to use street analogies but by his own logic, if you and your mans got a street pharmacy business together and you decide that you want out of the business and sell him your share of the business and move on, then later he sells the whole operation for a bigger bag, how can you say he did you dirty business? You said yourself that the business no longer aligned with your tastes and who you were. If Dame really didn't want to talk about Jay any more, do you really think any interviewer could make him talk? He acts like he doesn't but deep down he knows that the only reason anyone wants to talk to him anymore is because of his connection with Jay.
The one thing that I would push back on you on is about the fact that he promoted being partnered with those that he worked with. He often said that he doesn't want workers, he wants partners and so he does that to promote ownership with those that he works with you to change their mentality from being a worker to a boss. So in that sense he preaches what he speaks, however I do think its extreme and he does go over the top and it can be very off-putting but overall I do like where he's coming from even though I don't completely agree.
Dame tried to eat off another man plate and it back fired smh..jay z was the focal point..ppl wore rocawear cuz of hov..jay was the talent smh if dame wasn’t ego trippin so much he woulda saw the vision and still be eating till this day bcuz every one else is…bleek, biggs, tata, Kanye etc
Dame dash is a brilliant business man .. when u move up these ladders it gets ruthless .. there is a level of control they don’t want black folks to have … distribution… once u get into those markets you can end up taken out
This is what happens when you try to do too much …. Signing ODB was throat cut…… That was bad business in the industry … He got real greedy & destroyed him & Jay chemistry….Not wanting to have a Boss at the end of the day out of the 2 he was the one that took a 💯% lost…..🙈SMH🙈🤣😂🤣😂
This is easily explained with a football analogy. Dame was a phenomenal offensive lineman. He helped create the lane for Jay (the star running back) to run for a million yards. What Dame forgot was he was an offensive lineman. Anyone remember the name of anybody on Barry Sanders O Line? Did any of those guys get credit for Sanders greatness. Nope!
Its not on video, but one of Dame's infamous quotes is " I can't understand why a dude would buy a used car...... that's like sitting on another man's lap" I loved that!!! Ive owned about 12 cars in my life and currently have 4, all but one of my cars have been used......so I've sat on alot of men and women's laps. Dame is a piece of work, but entertaining.
Dame was the label Dame did everything but rap and he owns none of his artist masters he played the bad guy he love his black people we know dame ain’t play those games he made up pause game he was could of did puff and took masters but he didn’t real dude stand up brother ✊🏾
I find it funny how everyone takes what dame says and treats it as gospel when there were 3 partners in this business and the silent partner isn’t and hasn’t and still riding with jay. If jay was this backstabbing im pretty sure bigs Burke would be on dames side.
@@biggrick1 That may be, but look at all the artist on the label that don’t like Jay But still respect Dame. They still in business with JayZ because they don’t want to end up like Dame.
He was spot on about the DEF jAM JACKETS. Aint no way in all of hell pepsi wouldve had Micheal Jackson wearing a coco cola zipper jacket.. Just facts... and of course. business..
Many people try to discredit dame dash but with out him the world wouldn’t know jay z freeway beanie Or dipset Kanye etc he made sure a lot of artist weren’t being taken advantage of … and in the beginning all the labels turned jayz down and didn’t believe in him he was the only one
That is not the truth that’s just how it worked out. See fact is B-High and Clark would’ve helped him get there because they truly believed in Jays talent before everyone else.
Even tho I know they will never link up I still wanna see dame and jay on the same stage together one more time along wit the whole rocafella artist while they still here
Dame is an actual narcissist. It'll never be his fault. He orchestrated his own downfall. I don't think he can help it. Jay clearly did the right thing.
A real businessman never would have sold his shares of Rocawear. Blaming Jay takes the heat of his numerius bad business decisions. How did Jay do Dame dirty? Please. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Dame was right for feeling that way about the jacket and sneaky way Def tried to benefitsoff the tour …the downside is that you don’t disrespect the the machine backing you unless you already have a plan in place to make it happen if they pull out
The problem for me is Dame voluntary sold to Jay Z his 25% he was happy to do it invested all of the cash in Rachel Roy that Co. Did Great and his name wasn't on any of it! She sold for more than ROC and he doesn't feel like she finnest him or played him!!?? And why doesn't Biggs say Jay played him!? He sold on his own also!!
JayZ did what makes sense in shedding the extra weight when realizing he had to in order to elevate. One thing about Dame tho, he was on point with a lot of shit, prideful, and protective over Roc A Fella. His delivery was just aggressive, but his points was valid. He was just too raw for these execs and people in those board rooms
Confidence is one thing. Arrogance is another.
@@734THOOKS Well said.
Exactly 💯💯💯💯
No it’s both. They could mean the same thing.
They mistake my confidence for arrogance, they hate on the kid- 50 Cent
Facts
A leader must have patience..and self control..
True.
True
Dame could easily be a billionaire by now but he has a special talent for tearing down anything he builds with his personality alone.
Nah they tried to dismantle him because he wasnt their token do boi you cant see it from this one sided visual however he defended what he built with an iron fist which is why it took betrayal to defeat him he was impenetrable
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He's a victim of success😢
EXACTLY!!! Calling your customers Peasants is not wise...
@@wizdomthasoldier3103he fucked it up
Jay looked around & realized he was splitting his money three ways, with Dame & Biggs. He probably said to himself, I can do this on my own & take the whole bag, while eliminating the extra baggage. He was right. 💯
No he wasn’t right. And soon everyone will see why. You don’t always have to snake people especially your friends.
@@dearmingmogul2010 here’s the thing right after that meeting where he yelled at everyone DEF jam basically said that they were going to pull all backing and dissolve the deal that they had cut ties with Jay at the time they had no real issues with outside of his involvement with at the time, def jam pulling its backing would’ve collapsed and devalued the whole roc brand and blackball them in the industry, putting them back to square one that conversation about selling the label Was basically lucrative way of approaching the inevitable but he wanted to own reasonable doubt when Dame said no to that there was no other way to go from a business standpoint. That wasn’t a snake move he tried to look out for his man as much as he could, but dame didn’t see the writing on the wall for what it was
Right, you will stay broke because of your ninjas. Grow up.
Everyone else still works with Jay-Z except Dame. 🤷♂
He's worth billions😂
I think he made the right choice 😂🤡 @@dearmingmogul2010
Dame Big mouth is reason why he was blackballed
He was blackballed because he wasnt kissing the whytmans ass!
Dame was 110% correct on the Def Jam jacket issue however, when men over-project regularly their heat becomes white noise. Arrogance is a characteristic that has undone many men, better to speak with a quiet voice and carry a BIG stick to condition detractors.
RITE...
I agree on both sentiments
This! All the way. The problem with Dame is you give THEM 110% but you give US 0% of that. Dame sprays the whole room, the others, the inside team, everybody.
Lyor was like let him speak as loud as he wants … I’m still the fckn boss and he proved that shit, he gave Jay Def Jam and left dame out in the cold, homeless, no label and he never recovered and been broke ever since while Jay became a Billionaire. Dame forgot the white boys still own everything including his shit 😂😂😂
No he wasn't right. People keep forgetting it wasn't 3 owners of Rocafella it was 4.... def jam owned 25% of Rocafella. That like telling bleek he can't wear a jacket that say Jay-z on it. Or Dame dash on it
Yeah dame was his own down fall
He didn't fail. Still on top
I like Dame. He is always speaking facts and has calmed down a bit in his older years, but I can see why Jay had to part ways back then. Dame was just doing too much! His heart was in the right place, but delivery is everything when you're dealing with other professionals, executives, etc. Sometimes you need to have a little bit more tact and work things out a little more peacefully. Burning bridges eventually leads to less opportunities and dead ends.
EXACTLY
I agree 💯 percent
Whats too like? I once thought that. Yrs later of paying attention pattern is consistent. He FK'S everything up. No growth& development. Childhood anger
He wasn't diplomatic.
I heard Muthafuckas saying they made Hov made Hov say ok so MAKE ANOTHER HOV 😩
lost one😂😂😂❤
Kanye...
@@yezmirsheppard-halika6892 bigger Hov and his more like Dame than Jay
Dame made Kanye and Kanye was bigger than hov, before the adidas rant he was the richest black artist in North America 🤦🏽♂️
@@billclinton8300 maaaan what 😳😂😂😂😂
What’s fucked up about this is the fact that Dame was actually right most of the time, he just didn’t know how to be diplomatic. Every problem doesn’t have to be resolved with aggression, some sh*t requires finesse! If he had some composure and finesse, he’d be a billionaire!
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You must have been real close to the Rockefeller Camp to know that most of the time dame was right. I mean if he was right so much he should be just as rich as Jay Z is right now? I mean trying to be a celebrity instead of a businessman doesn't sound right to me, he had no Talent. Actually Jay made way more money without Dame.
@@empire7179I was no closer than any other spectator or fan but I think you missed my point. It doesn’t matter how right you are if nobody wants to work with you!
Conducting a meeting about the company or it's artist without informing him is crazy work though and I agree with him that rocafella which they're promoting should've been on the jacket.
But he lacked diplomacy which is bad for business
I wasn’t in the room when any of this stuff was going on but I think most people know people like Dame. He’s bigger than life and if you don’t think so just ask him. He has no real talent but telling you he’s the greatest in anything he does. Smart but not smart enough to understand you’re working with someone that’s going places. Sometimes I feel bad for Dame Dash. But then again. That’s Dame Dash. He doesn’t need anybody. 😅
Till today, whenever I watch that video, I still don't know what Dame's barber is doing. 😂😂😂
More vanity spending
Nailed it. 😂😂😂@@nicolasjones2929
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Exactly!!! I damn near can't not laugh literally out loud when after he hits that bald head with those clippers HE ACTUALLY COMBS RIGHT AFTER!!! What's this man combing down?!?!? Maybe the clippers are hitting and taking off stubble growth.. Combing tho??? Really?? Lmao
Wanted a reason to stay to be nosy 😂😂😂
Basically Dame talked too much
Facts
How did he talk too much? If you have a business and people are going behind your back doing stuff that affects your business. How would you react? You're supposed to sit back and be quiet and let the white man take everything you built. People on the internet are either crazy or don't know anything about business or ethics.
That's why we don't own anything as black people. We sell everything our history, our music, our culture to the white man for money. That's why they own everything and we own nothing we sell our stuff and then work for them on our company.
Same that happened to suge and birdman. Talk so much and wanna be artiste or something too. Shhiiddd this is why Jimmy Ivine still has money and not in issues.
@@KINGMEZZY-te4bqyet he was going behind everyone’s back and taking money ? So what you call that ? You casuals are too stupid 😂
Sonny Corleone was loud, aggressive, intimidating. Michael Corleone was cool, calm, and calculating. It's clear to see who was Roc-A-Fella's Sonny... and who was Roc-A-Fella's Michael.
fantastic analogy , dead on point
Lmaooooo Dame face when Bleek was glazin that Def Jam jacket 😂😂😂 somebody was about to get screamed on.
😂😂😂
They treated Jay like a worker. Similar to how Suge treated Dre. Like the old folks use to say Never bite the hand that feeds you.
Workers outgrew they bosses cause celebrity became the number one commodity
Nall that aont what happened... Dame was fuckin.the money up
@@billlionfilmsthey were never workers they were part owners. Equal part
That was the whole thing. Dame was using Rocawear money to travel and start other businesses. He wasn’t letting Jay know how he was using money from the Rocawear budgets. Dame was wasting too much company money without approval from his partners. Then Dame was falling victim to the camera. OG Juan stays in the background and lets Jay Z be out front. That’s what Jay wanted from Dame. Dame was trying to treat Jay like a worker not a partner. Just like now he says Jay ran off with a pack. That’s what you say about a worker.
@@michaelbatts3691 but nobody wanna hear that part tho but i fuck wit J cuz after almost 20 years of slander the man still dont say nothin bad bout Dame
Dame on the BC: “I’m sick of talkin bout it”……then proceeds to talk about Jay in EVERY SINGLE INTERVIEW. Dame is Dame’s biggest obstacle.
Unfortunately that's true
Always has been
You're obviously slow af You're commenting on him saying he doesn't want to talk about what he's being asked to talk about key word being asked
If u knew that much…
then u would know…
it’s bcuz this is a topic that they always bring up- even when he tells them not to bring it up before n during the interview..
He even explains this exact thing multiple times.. 🤦♂️
Did u not see what he said to the Breakfast Club? “I don’t wanna talk bout Jay, I’m sick of that shit.. U ain’t tired of this, don’t u know the story already?”…. 🤦♂️
@@KY-YEyet proceeds to talk shit about Jay … you proving his point exactly, don’t nobody care about anything same has to say… he ain’t interesting unless he’s talking about Jay. That’s like Jarule has to talk about 50 cause nobody gives a Fck about what they have to say
Bro just can not 🚫 admit that once 🔂 upon a time you had the whole world 🌍 in your hands and you fumbled everything and you still can't admit it and that is the saddest part of the story
Taking accountability for your actions 😞 we all saw you in the videos and everything everything it's like you wanted to be jayz you wanted that spot light you wanted the fame clout and familiarity as a artist when you are the CEO he's in the videos stunting harder than jayz on his own shit
What raps did you write ✍️ Dame to be acting like you are a rapper 😤 or artist you are the damn CEO 👿 stay your ass in the background like your partner goofy
@@timothyhartfield2224 💯
What gets me is the fact Dame never ever takes accountability for his actions on how he burned bridges with people and made himself hard to work with but bitches about how Jay is his downfall like bro c'mon 😂
Of course he always right according to him. He is never wrong. Look how he treats his kids.
He also called others chatty patty but has been runnin his mouth for the last 20 years
The comment section full of Jay haters who don't understand how a business run. How Y'all didn't hear the part where Jay call BOTH them to a lunch meeting to let them know he was given that deal. Hov said he would've gave that all up for his baby (Reasonable Doubt). What Y'all thought was gon' happen? Jay leave with nothing? Fuckoutahere!!
Thank you!!!! Dames mad because jay outsmarted him!!! ITS BUSINESS!! HE BURNED HIS OWN BRIDGES!!
Exactly Dame Dash is a joke a washed up nobody you see his kids don't want nothing to do with him because of his attitude
Thy not worth as much all put together
Dame trusted jay way to much
Oh my goodness sum folks just not Hoz gun ridas that’s all that is and it’s just like that lol word.
Finally someone is reporting the right information about the Rockafella empire- I think Dame was the catalyst to the downfall
Absolutely my man. I was thinking the same thing bro.
Agreed! I think deep down he knows but refuses to take responsibility.
Dame was Dame. Same way he was from day one. Jay was just greedy. Don't try to sanitize it just because he becomes a billionaire. There's no heroes in this story.
@@clivet878 when 2 people have different ideas on how to run a business it will eventually break up. Then it comes down to how you negotiate the break. Unfortunately Jay Z was smarter in business and surrounds himself with smart people. We won’t get into the personal crap women, money, personal stuff that’s reported from ROC members. Most people wanted to go with Jay wonder why? And those members became successful wonder why?
@@Cjgotsense Greed. That's all it is. It's not about culture or morals or loyalty. Let's not sanitize it. Those people with their different ideas managed to build something big after all. The reason they parted is greed. If you don't agree, then you're just being deliberately obtuse.
Dame was acting like they didn't have a partnership w/ Def Jam. His perspective was valid h/e it's how you say things. I don't talk to anybody I'm in business with as if they are a child. That sign business has become personal. If i need to talk to you like that i shouldnt be working with you or shouldn't have hired you. So once I'm doing all that yelling, it's over at that point.
And who you think had all the money ? Def Jam did and the minute he got stupid DJ was like we pulling your funding to Jay and Jay was like … Fck this I’m out .
You should handle that lol jay z was so funny in that part 😂
That part took me off my chair. 😂
You could just tell Jay didn't want to be there.
@@jamessilas7815 fatcs
Jay offered Dame everything just for his masters Dame said no
Right. That was his mistake.
@@gervyaheard9544 exactly...now he want to be all bitter.lol
Nah he owns all his master except the first one and it was Biggs not dame
His Greed & Ego were out of control! When he sold his share he got $22million for it, but Jay ended up selling his part for twice as much… and somehow to Dame that means that he owes him? Bcuz he decided to sell his stake early and agreed to the money that was negotiated. He has some freakin nerve SMH!
Just to lose it.
Dave Chapelle...... when keeping it real goes wrong ...The Dame Dash edition." I don't have a Boss"
Except he had bosses … the white boys who own all the labels 😂😂 he was doomed they were gonna black ball him regardless cause he talked too much shit
One mistake in the hustle can u broke and jealous people love ur downfall and DAME FORGOT.
Jay is the smart one because he was strategic in his business dealings. The most you heard from him was through his music. A lot of people probably thought because he's quiet, he was a pushover........ Wrong. The people you count out are the ones who become hugely successful.
it always happens in business...dos who get thrown out...May be the ones who held the company all this while
Some say Jay snaked Dame and Biggs in order to walk away w/ everything. Jay met w/ them and told them of the deal he had w/ Def Jam and certainly informed them of the huge payout they'd receive as a result. They agreed and both Biggs and Dame reaped the harvest for what it was worth @ that time. Any other business deal Jay secured had nothing to do w/ Dame. Yet, he still cries...like a baby. Dry it up, put some more bass in that voice, wipe the dirt off your shoulders and keep pushin'!
There’s nothing I saw that showed he was the ultimate hustler or even great at business. Maybe I’m missing something all I saw was he had a product that sold it self( Jay Z). Name one thing he’s done successfully without Jay? Just 1 please
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Exactly
This doesn’t reflect his business. Dame is psycho for sure but he was the business mind behind that movement, Biggs was the money man in the beginning, and jay was the face. Dame went into those meeting and made shit happen.
@@PThunda187So, Jay, who was very adept at making money, managing and multiplying it by selling "pharmaceuticals" waaaay bfor he met Dame n Biggs, was all of a sudden jst good for being d product and face f a brand??? WTF r we talking bt here???
Dame was a hard working back breaker who made sure no one took advantage of u.
A good guy to have work for u … always looked out for Jay.
But not a true business man. The suits and money got to his head.
Sometimes u play along to get along.
One for them … and later one for us.
I've worked with Rocka and Def back in the day... Dame was a bully and a tyrant. His demise was unavoidable and well deserved.
No one had the balls to just fight Dame to teach him a lesson?
I was around the street team he was asshole I had to tell ppl all Harlem dudes ain’t like that just him
@@alfredschnozzenstein1657they did … they left him out ! 😂😂😂 he’s now broke and burned all bridges where nobody will work with him
So that character he played in State Property 2 was really him after all huh? 🤔🤔🤔
Dame is the perfect example of, “Money cannot fill an empty vessel.” Normally, $30 million would be more than enough for a good person and a “average” businessman to secure the needs of his children and grandchildren for years and he could live out the rest of his life in high comfort and peace. However, a person filled with hubris and a dark heart will be compelled to overreach, dismiss the welfare of others, and fail to look forward. When I met Dame, I could have never predicted he’d be down in the game like this… But, I’m far from surprised. He was radioactive ☢️ and too volatile for him to build anything everlasting.
I’m glad this part of the stories being told. Dame’s been on this “woe is me” “chatty-patty” stuff for over 20 years trying to get everyone on his side. Jay-Z did the right thing!
No body to blame here but dame himself
Jay was Jay before his marriage
Jay sat back and leaned the game from dame and leaned from his mistakes. Big companies split all the time.
yeah..... this the only comment that nailed it on the head.
Dame is such a BEAST and has forsight... He just cant understand that most people arent like him and he gives everyone that attitude that pushes people away
Well, how has worked out for him? He owes 8 million plus to the IRS, plus almost 300k in child support.
He shouldnt have helped JZ. JZ is a punk
@@derrickfoster824 Dame was the cause of his own down fall and it had nothing to do with Jay Z. If he learned how to conduct himself like a CEO they would probably still be together. This dude has literally burned every bridge he had in the industry.
@@kwakuali2893that's why he's in the hole because they blackballed him from the industry because thats how caucasians are when your stupid enough to socialize with them in anyway where money is concerned because they wanna make money by exploiting people because they have no skill😮
what an absolutely horrible idea to invest $22 million in a woman!! let alone who you’re married to!! no way in hell.. that’s just my opinion though🤷🏽 but we see how that worked out for him
I caught that too!!!
And then have the nerve to say that Jay Z screwed him out of big money mind you Dame was the one who sold early for 22 mil. Zero accountability for this man.
@@Savenoone123 fax
Nas said it best, "Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy?"
😂😂😂😂 and why did he diss him?
because he was talking Roc-a-fella
@@almadeunrebel thanks now get it
@@almadeunrebelCock a fella 😂
hahahahahhaaahahhahahah
“You own a quarter. You a quarter water” 😂
He was right about the jacket.
Not going to lie, dame is prime example of it’s not what you say..but how you say it…
Shit I don't blame dame for that conversation with Kevin Lyles. I agree 💯% get him Dame 😂
What he said was correct. But the way you say it to other powerful people is more important.
The infamous board meeting interruption would have been much more effective if Dame didn't shout every day. When one makes more noise than is necessary on a daily basis the room becomes aware that the Dog has no bite.
Dame's acumen and philosophy is sound, it's his execution that is wrong. When a dangerous man conveys respect people know he is capable of violence.
JAY - Z told Dame " you should handle that" 🤣
I agree with Dame about the Def jam jacket
Agreed also. Dame was right about alot just a bully
And this is why Jay Z is considered top!
Jay never really liked Damon Dash he was just tolerating Damon Dash to get to where he needed to go nothing personal just business.
They really fell out over Aaliyah frfr and in part Dame making Cam vice president of Roc A Fella
BS. They were real close at one point. When they were all hustling hard to make a name for themselves & get places.
How about Dame became intolerable with more success.
@@okachobired5856 This. Things were a lot simpler when all they had to focus on was getting his music heard more widely & a deal. Once the success money & attention come it's harder to stay on the same page. His hard headedness was an asset when they were on the grind, not so much as they actually become executives in more than just title.
I think they were friends because Jay didn't need Dame since Reasonable Doubt dropped. What happened is Jay outgrew Dame. Dame was being disrespectful to Jay's position and Jay as a man. Dame was burning bridges and messing with Jay's money. They had a Dr. Dre/Suge Knight dynamic and that's why Dre left. Everyone applauds Dre but put down Jay?!
Jay warned him early in streeets is watching,too stay out his videos..😂😂😂
Dame is jaded by his own hubris, he didn't understand that the only reason he was tolerated with all that yelling and ignorance was because he was rocking with the hottest asset. Now the man who is always talking about making money is mad at that very same asset for making a boat load of money. That's what jealousy looks like. Believing your own hype...."make another Hov" ....."I don't want another one, I've done that already" ~ Dame Dash. Yeah sure you don't but it damn sure looks like you need one...
What was the barber cutting at 12:10? 🤣🤣🤣
Cutting the skin with no hair....👩🦲 😂😂😂
Haircut 💇
While HOW DAME HANDLED his situation was wrong, Dame was pretty smart on how he peeped b.s. from the gate...
Pride comes before downfall
He also said “I have THINGS to show for being rich broke”
Wowzers. It’s so clear now and then why Jay and Roc-a-fella split
Dame getting his thoughts a fade 🤦♂️ tf is he doing getting a haircut? 😂🤣😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
When you come into anything as a team that's what was agreed on that's what it is its called loyalty...period
Team members all have to play their part and pull their weight. If a team members attitude and work ethic means theyre bringing down the team then its ok to part ways. Blind loyalty for someone who is a liability is foolish
I ain’t going down cause one member wants to be a clown and burned my bridges cause MF don’t know how to act … just cause you got money don’t mean you know how to act like you got money … think about that. Can’t be all ghetto with these execs who own all the labels and the bridges you’re burning and who got 10x more money than you do … it’s business and the white boys were like “he gotta go”
Dame thought he was a genius. He found out otherwise.
Jay-Z was playing chess. To sell his stake for 204 milly less than a year after Dame sold for 22 million was a smart, savvy move. Patient like a Pit Bull.
Patience is everything.
@@schawnettarobinson8584 when you a 🐍
He never reached $100 Million but his former friend, $2 500 000 000.00, now aint that some shit,
Funny thing... NEVER reached that net worth and look at ALLLL the unnecessary BS he was spending money on and BLOWING money on but look at the ex friend billionaire Jay Z who HAS THAT KIND OF MONEY but never spent like Dame! 🤦♂
🎯💯😂
It’s chess … not checkers
Painful 😂
So the person cutting the check doesn't have a say ... Dame is wild
They was like … yeah he gotta go 😂😂
@@eriklaguiraoficial lmao...
Dame only mad because Jay took business to another level and he's a failure
Dame Good !!
Dame was right tho. They shouldn't have been wearing Def Jam jackets
DJ signed the checks … it was chess while dame was playing checkers 😂
That's such a small thing to get crazy about everybody knew they were a joint business that it's def jam Rocafella together and everybody recognizes Jay , Bleek n Beenie as rocafella artist not def jam cause they say it in their rhymes so wtf .
Def Jam was cutting the cheques! I think it's tolerable if they put their name on a got damn jacket 🧥!!!
@@gideonvilakazi2882 ☠️👹
If u gotta constantly tell both yourself and others you a boss, then you ain’t a boss…🤷🏾♂️😂
Dame should’ve stayed in the back office and handled business. He wanted to shine too much.
Dame looking towards Memph pipe riding def jam for the jacket is wild funny ☠️
Dame is one of those people who just love to hear themselves talk. "What kind of man wants to call somebody boss? No real man does that!" So his own pops wasn't a man? Or his grandpops? So none of the men he had working in his various businesses were real men? He talks like he saying something real deep but when you get past the loud talking and listen, half of what he's saying his just to make himself seem bigger. He likes to use street analogies but by his own logic, if you and your mans got a street pharmacy business together and you decide that you want out of the business and sell him your share of the business and move on, then later he sells the whole operation for a bigger bag, how can you say he did you dirty business? You said yourself that the business no longer aligned with your tastes and who you were.
If Dame really didn't want to talk about Jay any more, do you really think any interviewer could make him talk? He acts like he doesn't but deep down he knows that the only reason anyone wants to talk to him anymore is because of his connection with Jay.
The one thing that I would push back on you on is about the fact that he promoted being partnered with those that he worked with. He often said that he doesn't want workers, he wants partners and so he does that to promote ownership with those that he works with you to change their mentality from being a worker to a boss. So in that sense he preaches what he speaks, however I do think its extreme and he does go over the top and it can be very off-putting but overall I do like where he's coming from even though I don't completely agree.
Dame tried to eat off another man plate and it back fired smh..jay z was the focal point..ppl wore rocawear cuz of hov..jay was the talent smh if dame wasn’t ego trippin so much he woulda saw the vision and still be eating till this day bcuz every one else is…bleek, biggs, tata, Kanye etc
This is an informative watch. Thank you! Lots I didn’t know; Never heard prior.
Dame dash is a brilliant business man .. when u move up these ladders it gets ruthless .. there is a level of control they don’t want black folks to have … distribution… once u get into those markets you can end up taken out
If he’s so brilliant how come none of his businesses have taken off and he’s broke ? 🤔
I agree with you, so this is why Dame should have tread carefully.
@@eriklaguiraoficialhe was never smart. Just a money miss road
@@eriklaguiraoficialbecause he has been targeted and blackballed since he tried to start a distribution company
He never did anything successful again after him n jayz split ways 😂
"Go clear a sample Randy!!" 🤣🤣🤣
What's his talent, besides talking.. But, nobody is listening to him without Jay 🚫✌️💯
This is what happens when you try to do too much …. Signing ODB was throat cut…… That was bad business in the industry … He got real greedy & destroyed him & Jay chemistry….Not wanting to have a Boss at the end of the day out of the 2 he was the one that took a 💯% lost…..🙈SMH🙈🤣😂🤣😂
Nas was right about one thing Dame dash or Dame dummy 😂
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damn the end sounded personal 🤣
“..Too much flossing.. too much Sam rothstein..”
I fw Dame tho
Yeah Jay Z definitely snaked Dame… That line was saving face lol
Snakes him so bad he hasnt recovered in over 20 years? Can't call yourself a hustler if you cant recover in over 2 decades
Dame doesn't know how to conduct himself as a Businessman so real Businesses wouldn't want to work with him he'll never reach his goals
Dame was the downfall. Jay likely hustled with guys like Dame and knew where things were headed had he not split from Dame.
This is easily explained with a football analogy. Dame was a phenomenal offensive lineman. He helped create the lane for Jay (the star running back) to run for a million yards. What Dame forgot was he was an offensive lineman. Anyone remember the name of anybody on Barry Sanders O Line? Did any of those guys get credit for Sanders greatness. Nope!
This was very good information that i never knew.
Dame too loud to controlling and ignorant. Wants to be seen and heard like a child.
The loudest in the room is usually the weakest
he can sell oxygen to humans 🤣😂🤣
Ese casi me mata ahí 😅
I like the dollar, I like the euro, I like the pound,
I like the frank (PAUSE)
🤣😂🤣😭
Can't forget the yen💯
Its not on video, but one of Dame's infamous quotes is " I can't understand why a dude would buy a used car...... that's like sitting on another man's lap" I loved that!!! Ive owned about 12 cars in my life and currently have 4, all but one of my cars have been used......so I've sat on alot of men and women's laps. Dame is a piece of work, but entertaining.
Still don’t see in any of these arguments where Dame was in the wrong…. People were being sneaky behind his back in all these situations.
True but he's execution thiugh
He stole money from the company and treated his partners like they work "for" him and not "with" him.
He wa wrong in the they he talked to others, especially business partners. You don't manage big business like that. He was burning too many bridges.
Money went to his head, there's nothing too deep in it
Really!!! 😮 Have you even watched the whole video!! 🤔
Dame was the label Dame did everything but rap and he owns none of his artist masters he played the bad guy he love his black people we know dame ain’t play those games he made up pause game he was could of did puff and took masters but he didn’t real dude stand up brother ✊🏾
Exactly. Jay learned the game from Dame (good and bad) then snaked him
Dame was Arrogant and God humbled him‼️🤷🏽♂️
I find it funny how everyone takes what dame says and treats it as gospel when there were 3 partners in this business and the silent partner isn’t and hasn’t and still riding with jay. If jay was this backstabbing im pretty sure bigs Burke would be on dames side.
And now he is at the bottom moving of emotions. Smh
@@biggrick1 That may be, but look at all the artist on the label that don’t like Jay But still respect Dame. They still in business with JayZ because they don’t want to end up like Dame.
what ever happen to being a gentleman. settle issues man to man, not for the world.
He was spot on about the DEF jAM JACKETS. Aint no way in all of hell pepsi wouldve had Micheal Jackson wearing a coco cola zipper jacket.. Just facts... and of course. business..
Many people try to discredit dame dash but with out him the world wouldn’t know jay z freeway beanie Or dipset Kanye etc he made sure a lot of artist weren’t being taken advantage of … and in the beginning all the labels turned jayz down and didn’t believe in him he was the only one
Lost ur mind
I doubt that's true. Jay Z said he was coming anyways.
@@majorpaiyne2124 He is right. The labels didn't want Jay back then. That is the actual reason they started Roc-A-Fella.
Stop
That is not the truth that’s just how it worked out. See fact is B-High and Clark would’ve helped him get there because they truly believed in Jays talent before everyone else.
My favorite part of the movie was that😂.. sht was hilarious.. it was like okay I hear you but it’s done.. “you hungry”..😂
Even tho I know they will never link up I still wanna see dame and jay on the same stage together one more time along wit the whole rocafella artist while they still here
Not gonna happen, Jay is too petty for that and I wouldn’t either if I was Jay … Fck that dude
There is no way I would allow dame to holla at me.. we would be damaging that office and the furniture
I understand Dames frustration, however, big bro should've delivered in a different way.
Dame is an actual narcissist. It'll never be his fault. He orchestrated his own downfall. I don't think he can help it. Jay clearly did the right thing.
The Franc (pause)
Nah he's right about that meeting. None of them can say shit because they know they're wrong
Beat it, clear a sample or something" 😂😂😂
Jay-z the type of rapper to have 2 other rappers in his music video And title the music video 'ME MYSELF AND I'
Can u get me an autograph??
😂😂 🇵🇷👍🏾
Lol
excellent 😂😂😂
So
A real businessman never would have sold his shares of Rocawear. Blaming Jay takes the heat of his numerius bad business decisions. How did Jay do Dame dirty? Please. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Jay “you should probably handle that “ 😂 I don’t know why I have always found this scene funny as hell
I understand what the problem was!!! He wanted the roc to get all the props for the tour!!! He not wrong for that one!!!!
Get all the props while Def Jam cuts the cheques!!?? 🤔 It doesn't work like that fam. 😎
Dame was right for feeling that way about the jacket and sneaky way Def tried to benefitsoff the tour …the downside is that you don’t disrespect the the machine backing you unless you already have a plan in place to make it happen if they pull out
20:24 the sarcasm on this part is harsh lol
The problem for me is Dame voluntary sold to Jay Z his 25% he was happy to do it invested all of the cash in Rachel Roy that Co. Did Great and his name wasn't on any of it! She sold for more than ROC and he doesn't feel like she finnest him or played him!!?? And why doesn't Biggs say Jay played him!? He sold on his own also!!
I never liked the Dame attitude, or people that come off like him. His arrogance make him too blind to see that he was his own worst enemy in life.
JayZ did what makes sense in shedding the extra weight when realizing he had to in order to elevate. One thing about Dame tho, he was on point with a lot of shit, prideful, and protective over Roc A Fella. His delivery was just aggressive, but his points was valid. He was just too raw for these execs and people in those board rooms