Evel Live 2: Axell Hodges Breaks Down His Critical Injury | History

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  • Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2024

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  • @Versys16060
    @Versys16060 5 лет назад +431

    Hey History, Could you hold a steady shot for a few seconds rather then throwing in all these flash edits ? Never could see the complete sequence and forces involved.

    • @youtubeaccount9058
      @youtubeaccount9058 5 лет назад +5

      0:37 is the one

    • @michelevitarelli
      @michelevitarelli 5 лет назад +12

      I agree. Not everyone has crippling ADD! Give us the long form.

    • @flyinpolack6633
      @flyinpolack6633 4 года назад +5

      It seems to be some kind of stupid editing method that every show uses now. It totally sucks and ruins the product big time

    • @andreshidalgo2813
      @andreshidalgo2813 4 года назад

      They're holding onto the good shot until it airs this february

    • @Womb2DaTomb
      @Womb2DaTomb 4 года назад

      This was a practice jump so nobody was really recording it, this is probably clearer than the actual video tbh

  • @PhilipSepulveda
    @PhilipSepulveda 5 лет назад +363

    Shouldve watched ronnie macs video on air wheelies first bud

  • @Cameragodchrisvlogs
    @Cameragodchrisvlogs 5 лет назад +534

    Axel: i couldn’t even walk
    Next scene: axel walking

    • @micahhook3576
      @micahhook3576 5 лет назад +9

      CHRISGOTTA100ROUNDS he had a wrap on his finger that clearly wasn't right after the crash

    • @ZeroBBQ
      @ZeroBBQ 5 лет назад +8

      @@micahhook3576 Lol it was just funny where they put the scene xd

    • @braydennienhuser9547
      @braydennienhuser9547 4 года назад

      😂😂😂

    • @sethhoper7872
      @sethhoper7872 4 года назад

      That’s all I thought

    • @DeglanCarmody24
      @DeglanCarmody24 4 года назад

      It’s not funny he crashed badly don’t be a jerk

  • @pavmik1
    @pavmik1 5 лет назад +168

    1:35 bottom right corner. The dude on the bmx bike got me weak

    • @edfrancis165
      @edfrancis165 5 лет назад +30

      The BMX guy pulled a bunny hop over the ramp in all his excitement to get to the crash scene!

    • @MTnumber11
      @MTnumber11 5 лет назад +8

      I was about to comment on this, good thing great minds notice style points lol

    • @pavmik1
      @pavmik1 5 лет назад +27

      @@MTnumber11What sticks out the most is that its technically a tragic moment. Dude wasnt even sure if Axel was alive but he still finds time to have some fun lol

    • @spacenipples7888
      @spacenipples7888 5 лет назад

      HeadlightHeartSurgeon hits a trick on the way to recover

    • @VlogEpicness
      @VlogEpicness 5 лет назад

      Hey look a landing ramp 🤙🏻

  • @kevinmoore4887
    @kevinmoore4887 5 лет назад +19

    I like Axle's calm, no hype demeanor. I hope he heals fully and has an injury free future.
    I really enjoy his free riding videos over the distance jumps.

    • @kevincoates1597
      @kevincoates1597 3 года назад

      No hype? You didn’t like that cape & American flag?

  • @californiamotherlodeprospect
    @californiamotherlodeprospect 5 лет назад +161

    Nice break down of the CRASH, didn't say anything about what injuries occurred..

    • @montanaplease
      @montanaplease 5 лет назад +1

      I agree . Also they only showed like one or two camera angles which you know something that big of a spectating event there would be at least six different angles there and that's not even counting everybody with smart phones

    • @yamkaw346
      @yamkaw346 5 лет назад

      John doe this was on a practice day so I don’t think any spectators were around to film it.i think theses are the only angles of it

    • @kmart9328
      @kmart9328 5 лет назад +1

      He broke both ankles

    • @nolangray43
      @nolangray43 5 лет назад +2

      Broke both ankles. He plans to attempt the jump again Asap

    • @mroleg904
      @mroleg904 5 лет назад +1

      @@nolangray43 but he was walking by his foot after that!

  • @VlogEpicness
    @VlogEpicness 5 лет назад +65

    I didn’t know Alpinestars could fold like that.

    • @marcd7332
      @marcd7332 5 лет назад +1

      anything bends with that force of impact

    • @beau_mcfadin_9253
      @beau_mcfadin_9253 4 года назад +12

      @@marcd7332 shut up hes just trying to make a small joke about how stiff those race boots are and he didnt ask for you to make a nerdy comment.....

    • @marcd7332
      @marcd7332 4 года назад +14

      Beau_ McFadin_925 triggered

    • @LogieT2K
      @LogieT2K 3 года назад +2

      @@beau_mcfadin_9253 chill dude😂

    • @ethankoster4626
      @ethankoster4626 3 года назад

      Did the same thing in gaerne sg12s, broke my tib and fib

  • @jeremyclark1237
    @jeremyclark1237 5 лет назад +26

    Best rider out there. Hope for a speedy recovery bro.

  • @bmxking6582
    @bmxking6582 5 лет назад +15

    I surprised his wrist didnt break when the front slammed down. That close up was brutal. Hope he heals fast and well, that dude makes amazing videos.

  • @Rick-jg8vx
    @Rick-jg8vx 2 года назад +5

    I love at the very end when the bike is still going in veers off to the right like “I am out of here”

  • @motorcitydancampbell2472
    @motorcitydancampbell2472 5 лет назад +48

    Uncle twitch has the medicine for that axel

  • @lyonking6193
    @lyonking6193 5 лет назад +511

    Ronnie Mac would've made that no problem 😂🍺

    • @hencetirta7633
      @hencetirta7633 5 лет назад +4

      Easy for maC

    • @ericbarabuscio1707
      @ericbarabuscio1707 5 лет назад +20

      Cut them fenders

    • @keltoncanada7512
      @keltoncanada7512 5 лет назад +3

      Lyon King 619 hahaha I think he had a front brake red flag one it was a four stroke flag two had hella fenders flag three

    • @NietJeffrey
      @NietJeffrey 5 лет назад +9

      @@keltoncanada7512 Are you having a stroke?

    • @SixOFord
      @SixOFord 5 лет назад +6

      Yup it was the wind drag on the fenders. If he'd only took a hacksaw to that front fender he would have made it.

  • @noezrider6361
    @noezrider6361 5 лет назад +55

    All these "he should've done this or that"
    Lot of experts on cycle jumping I see. Maybe y'all could show him how to do correctly.

    • @fanoflakespeed9460
      @fanoflakespeed9460 5 лет назад +4

      Yeah don't do it is the correct way.

    • @travisgeorge7602
      @travisgeorge7602 5 лет назад +1

      NoEZRider
      all I need is a "invite"

    • @edpettit6563
      @edpettit6563 3 года назад

      @@travisgeorge7602 the only thing keeping you from jumping/flying a dirt bike 400 feet is an invitation? Yeah, me too. I was thinking 500 foot though.

  • @DirtNastyy
    @DirtNastyy 4 года назад +4

    Hahaha the guy at 1:35 just had to make a bike jump appearance 😂😂😂

  • @loreleiwhitcombe6371
    @loreleiwhitcombe6371 3 года назад +3

    That is unbelievable. The bike ride off on it's own.

  • @dabullz2346
    @dabullz2346 5 лет назад +21

    How about the guy on the bmx rushing to help him took time to pull a trick on the edge of the ramp

    • @livewire2474
      @livewire2474 4 года назад

      Haaaahaaa i just noticed that

  • @MrDPdrum
    @MrDPdrum 3 года назад +3

    The hard part is the next jump. That was amazing.

  • @darrenmolloy9147
    @darrenmolloy9147 5 лет назад +3

    Your a great athlete mate hope you get better soon . Live to ride brother

  • @claygraham3722
    @claygraham3722 10 месяцев назад

    This was so gnarly! It takes balls to jump a ramp at 105 mph. Respect! I hope he tries it again soon. It's 2024, the year to break records!💯🤘🏼

  • @jmichaelb3632
    @jmichaelb3632 5 лет назад +5

    Shouts out to that dude standing on the ramp recording and putting the phone down before he even touches the ramp

  • @bgribbz
    @bgribbz 5 лет назад +5

    1:35 Homie on his way to check...still gotta get that trick in...hahahaha

  • @SoVicarious
    @SoVicarious 5 лет назад +8

    For sale on Craig’s list: used Kawi 450 hardly ridden tons of factory trick parts minor scratches from dropping it on pavement 😎

    • @lancekippenbrock5307
      @lancekippenbrock5307 5 лет назад +2

      Bryan Farley that thing has tens of thousands of dollars in it

    • @SoVicarious
      @SoVicarious 5 лет назад +1

      Lance Kippenbrock I know, Obviously was a joke

  • @desertrider325
    @desertrider325 5 лет назад +6

    Can you play the clip from start till the bike falls from each angle and not edit it and chop it all up. ?

  • @own636
    @own636 5 лет назад +8

    Why not tap the rear brake to bring the front end down ??

    • @xpusostomos
      @xpusostomos 5 лет назад +4

      Show us how it's done

    • @fredgarvinMP
      @fredgarvinMP 5 лет назад +2

      Keep it pinned while air-wheelie-ing

    • @mattdyer489
      @mattdyer489 5 лет назад +1

      He did. You can see the front drop a little half way through the jump. Back break doesn't do much when you have all that wind resistance.

    • @pauldenham2952
      @pauldenham2952 5 лет назад +2

      I agree, back brake would fix it, i think the colour of the ramp, height of the sun made it hard for him to judge the bikes angle to the ramp

    • @cliftonjames785
      @cliftonjames785 4 года назад

      @@xpusostomos if you've ever jumped a dirtbike you'd know that hitting the break usually levels you out

  • @kenbush6942
    @kenbush6942 5 лет назад +58

    evel would have went clubbing before he went to hospital

  • @gregd2spam
    @gregd2spam 4 года назад +5

    Thankfully you seem physically ok. Harder than it looks. 105mph is crazy fast.

    • @joski9030
      @joski9030 2 года назад +1

      I’ve never known a 450 to do more than 80 obviously geared

  • @mikerafonemusic6177
    @mikerafonemusic6177 5 лет назад +2

    Good jumpin axel! You went down like evel...glad your ok..it looked cool af!

    • @JohnDoe-ud2cc
      @JohnDoe-ud2cc 5 лет назад

      mikerafone music I don’t think Evel ever hit a jump close to 106mph

  • @maxinetempest5079
    @maxinetempest5079 5 лет назад +3

    I work at that airport. Had to deal with that ramp for like a couple of weeks.

    • @puprilla
      @puprilla 5 лет назад

      Must have been horrible

    • @markmcmahen9442
      @markmcmahen9442 5 лет назад

      As a pilot it must have been annoying to you having to avoid the ramp.

    • @zomgkilla1
      @zomgkilla1 5 лет назад +2

      Deal with the ramp ? You’re so lucky to have even witnessed such skill in person ... this man is making history what are you doing ? Hating ...

    • @rewadena4371
      @rewadena4371 5 лет назад

      @@zomgkilla1 lol history just missed the back break and failed!

  • @JasonApexMusic
    @JasonApexMusic 3 года назад

    Brings back the same feelings from watching the Seth Enslow overshoot

    • @edpettit6563
      @edpettit6563 3 года назад +1

      I was thinking the same thing.

  • @ryanrosen270
    @ryanrosen270 5 лет назад +5

    Everybody gangsta till the bike starts riding by itself

  • @mxr7586
    @mxr7586 5 лет назад +1

    That’s why ppl tap the rear brake to level out and bring that front end down a bit.

    • @kawasaki36slatt53
      @kawasaki36slatt53 4 года назад

      His feet were on the pegs because he was about to land

  • @douglasmueller4684
    @douglasmueller4684 3 года назад +1

    The only thing I would say. Use a little back brake Mabey. It all happens so fast.

  • @dillinheater
    @dillinheater 5 лет назад +7

    Oh my, the close up of his toes touching his shin yikes... didnt see that before

    • @richardkey4289
      @richardkey4289 5 лет назад

      Yeah, that was gross to look at, his feet bent up way too far.ouch!

  • @TheRealMcFIy
    @TheRealMcFIy 3 года назад +2

    So lucky he stayed on as long as he did. The bike ate a lot of that impact.

  • @bluearrows1906
    @bluearrows1906 3 года назад

    I would have never thought of a pro racer on the history channel thats so cool lol

  • @turbodiesel1904
    @turbodiesel1904 5 лет назад +8

    Ankles has left the chat

  • @AKAviation97
    @AKAviation97 4 года назад

    Legend has it the bikes still rolling

  • @kenthorne9705
    @kenthorne9705 5 лет назад +9

    Pushing the envelope, somebody has guts enough to try the new. Knievel and his son, Travis Pastrana, Seth, Robbie Maddison, have paved the way for dare devils of the future. It's not stopping yet as more are trying new things, those who live long enough in being able to tell their story

  • @joozywoozy
    @joozywoozy 5 лет назад +1

    when did this happen ?

  • @VlogEpicness
    @VlogEpicness 5 лет назад +2

    1:36 This is how you do it Axell 😂

  • @theoriginalmungaman
    @theoriginalmungaman 4 года назад +1

    Do it on an old Triumph and Ill be impressed!

  • @dirtmen2204
    @dirtmen2204 5 лет назад

    Went to see this live a bit disappointed in watching tv for about 3 hours before something happened no preshow or nothing but it was very exciting when the show began

  • @beejel9628
    @beejel9628 5 лет назад +2

    “Couldn’t even walk” *immediately cuts to clip of him walking

  • @fanoflakespeed9460
    @fanoflakespeed9460 5 лет назад +5

    I would have liked to see Evels rocket actually land on the other side of the canyon.

    • @noezrider6361
      @noezrider6361 5 лет назад

      It did, several years ago with a stuntman and a rocket built buy Evel's original engineer's son using the same blueprints with a few changes to the nose and parachute release. It's on RUclips. Not much publicity.

  • @mikeschoolcraft21
    @mikeschoolcraft21 5 лет назад +3

    You should have taped the rear brake to bring it down.

    • @turbodiesel1904
      @turbodiesel1904 5 лет назад +2

      mike schoolcraft don’t think brake tapping works when your in the air that long

    • @mikeschoolcraft21
      @mikeschoolcraft21 5 лет назад

      Turbo Diesel well deploy the flaps, no flaps? If you are in the air that long, you better talk to an engineer.

    • @derek6115
      @derek6115 5 лет назад

      Maybe at that speed and air time dident wanna chance endowing

    • @benwilliams5545
      @benwilliams5545 5 лет назад +1

      Yeah cause that’s so easy at that speed and height lol.

    • @mikeschoolcraft21
      @mikeschoolcraft21 5 лет назад

      Ben Williams you never rode a motorcycle. How does the height keep you from hitting the brake? He had a lot of time, fucktard.

  • @wendellrountree4899
    @wendellrountree4899 4 года назад +1

    Glad you are doing ok man i know that had to do a number on your feet and ankles.

  • @jakedoyle8934
    @jakedoyle8934 3 года назад

    Alpinestars are a great boot.awsome protection

  • @stratsteveo106
    @stratsteveo106 2 года назад +1

    1:37 sweet bunny hop bro

  • @roynelson7613
    @roynelson7613 4 года назад

    Brother has balls of steel

  • @lorenmaly1637
    @lorenmaly1637 3 года назад +1

    I can't tell, did he use back break in the air? Wouldn't that have helped?

  • @IowaSpartan4
    @IowaSpartan4 5 лет назад

    Axel is one of the best ever

  • @doryman1000
    @doryman1000 4 года назад +1

    Huge respect for having the sack to hit that at that speed. No rear brake tap to try and bring the nose down?

    • @isaiahwilson6225
      @isaiahwilson6225 4 года назад

      Going that fast = panic = lock-up fear = no brake tap.
      Happens to the best of us riders

    • @cencoast_7.340
      @cencoast_7.340 4 года назад

      Ever tapped the brakes going 105?

    • @doryman1000
      @doryman1000 4 года назад

      @@cencoast_7.340 Well, it would have likely saved him....so.

    • @cencoast_7.340
      @cencoast_7.340 4 года назад

      doryman1000 You should contact him to let him know for the future, might save his life someday.

    • @doryman1000
      @doryman1000 4 года назад

      @@cencoast_7.340 That's a great idea. I'll do that.....

  • @Zackyinked
    @Zackyinked 5 месяцев назад

    what was the distance supposed to be?

  • @DeffectiveMirrors
    @DeffectiveMirrors 5 лет назад +16

    That moment of impact I just want to edit that WASTED from GTA

  • @believe8263
    @believe8263 4 года назад +2

    Rule of Thumb: When sliding, draw a smiley face on the ground before you get up. If the smiley face is 10 feet long you haven't stopped sliding enough to stand.

  • @e954rr2
    @e954rr2 5 лет назад

    Glad you’re ok

  • @wfoholeshot8614
    @wfoholeshot8614 3 года назад

    I'm surprised he didn't tap the rear brake to drop the front end down(?)

  • @jetsracing4706
    @jetsracing4706 5 лет назад

    Well I see u on insta Man U still slaying keep it up👍🏽

  • @jaredleavermx94
    @jaredleavermx94 5 лет назад +7

    He's the king of style couldn't he just throw a dank brake tap.

  • @spunn_co
    @spunn_co 5 лет назад +3

    landed it in my books

    • @puprilla
      @puprilla 5 лет назад

      Ya mine to

    • @PabloGonzalez-hv3td
      @PabloGonzalez-hv3td 5 лет назад

      That was a practice jump not the record distance

    • @spunn_co
      @spunn_co 5 лет назад

      @Dave Pawson .08 of sec os a landing in my books

  • @vincentharley2116
    @vincentharley2116 5 лет назад +3

    I wanna know how far he jumped

    • @edpettit6563
      @edpettit6563 3 года назад

      My guess would be somewhere near 400 feet.

  • @Whatever___XYZ918
    @Whatever___XYZ918 5 лет назад +1

    Why distance was he going for and how far was this jump?

    • @spunn_co
      @spunn_co 5 лет назад

      457 feet across at 136 mph ...

    • @kt-lc5zj
      @kt-lc5zj 5 лет назад

      obviously it was too far

  • @chippedspline
    @chippedspline 4 года назад

    How far was it? Looked huge!

  • @nealhilt5839
    @nealhilt5839 5 лет назад

    Good try for a long distance attempt. You know now for next time. Keep on straight ahead. Would a small parachute shorten the body crash distance?

  • @Thedeathfrmabove
    @Thedeathfrmabove 5 лет назад +1

    Learn to jump before you fly. Hit the back brake to level out. With this new knowledge go forth and try again.

    • @mikerafonemusic6177
      @mikerafonemusic6177 5 лет назад +2

      Thedeathfrmabove i think he knew this..the kid has very good knowledge of insane jumps insane jumps

    • @mattdyer489
      @mattdyer489 5 лет назад

      He did halfway through the jump. Hitting the back brake doesn't do much at those speeds because of the wind resistance pushing him back.

  • @xpusostomos
    @xpusostomos 5 лет назад +4

    Wasn't there some other safer route he could have taken?

    • @kmart9328
      @kmart9328 5 лет назад

      Huh what do you mean

    • @xpusostomos
      @xpusostomos 5 лет назад +3

      @@kmart9328 like drive around it

    • @pauldenham2952
      @pauldenham2952 5 лет назад +1

      Yep, if i can clear a double jump i ride around it, he could have done the same

  • @kyall4205
    @kyall4205 5 лет назад +2

    It’s 2019 and that crash was recorded worst then evils back in his day. That’s ridiculous history channel.

  • @travisfrench147
    @travisfrench147 5 лет назад

    Cant tell if his back tire is spinning, why wouldnt he check the back brake to push the nose down, specially that far into the jump. Is it because the distance of the jump?

  • @willie838
    @willie838 5 лет назад +1

    No doubt about it, that's more full send than anything before.
    Full send: the next generation.

  • @Masonmartin32
    @Masonmartin32 3 года назад +1

    Only Axell Hodges would try to land a record breaker on one wheel 😂.

  • @jimmydean4444
    @jimmydean4444 3 года назад +1

    I dont understand why he didn't brake tap to level out?

  • @jeffreymoran6234
    @jeffreymoran6234 5 лет назад

    He just learned to backflip but I never seen someone who is that tec on a dirtbike plus doesn't mind catching some really serious are off of a jump he's young he will just get better if you haven't seen him ride check out his dirt shark videos on RUclips

  • @lawsonransom8318
    @lawsonransom8318 3 года назад +1

    How did he not rupture both achilles tendons?

  • @davidmcdaniel3592
    @davidmcdaniel3592 5 лет назад +1

    Watch robbie kneiv and his 500 the bike shock is all rebound look at when he rides. I'm surprised he hasn't done a off the seat bounce off

  • @johnnynobuddy1
    @johnnynobuddy1 5 лет назад +2

    Still very impressive.

  • @JR-kr1lv
    @JR-kr1lv 5 лет назад

    Too bad the winds came up, what ended up being the distance he jumped ? Pretty far that I can tell but did it come close to breaking the record ?

  • @bluegull1541
    @bluegull1541 3 года назад

    Well , I've given it some thought and I'm not going to try this at home .

  • @magicyeti9256
    @magicyeti9256 4 года назад +1

    Tape your hands to the bars Kids!

  • @robbiesam7156
    @robbiesam7156 4 года назад

    So did he get the record?!

  • @codywheeler9383
    @codywheeler9383 5 лет назад

    Holy shxt that was gnarly !

  • @haydenhopkins9191
    @haydenhopkins9191 4 года назад +2

    Mad respect

  • @sanfranciscobay
    @sanfranciscobay 5 лет назад +3

    He's lucky to have survived without death or serious injuries.

    • @someoneyouknow96
      @someoneyouknow96 5 лет назад

      SanFranciscoBay death? You’re joking right. You must not have any clue how much a human body can take. It sucks the guy crashed but barring landing off the landing ramp he shouldn’t be “lucky” to survive.

    • @stealthytiger0182
      @stealthytiger0182 2 года назад

      @@someoneyouknow96 if he were to have bailed off the back a little before landing and slammed his head into the ground 105+mph... yea he's brain dead if not dead, not even helmets can stop that force

    • @someoneyouknow96
      @someoneyouknow96 2 года назад

      @@stealthytiger0182 Nobody said to bail. Axel is extremely talented. Im not sure why he didn't stab the brake to bring the front end down level for the landing.

    • @stealthytiger0182
      @stealthytiger0182 2 года назад

      Aerodynamics, wind was 105mph hitting his front tire, doubt it would have done anything

    • @josephfdent
      @josephfdent 2 года назад

      yep it happened this week with Alex Harvill which was so very unfortunate.

  • @jesusmylordsaviorking3726
    @jesusmylordsaviorking3726 2 года назад +1

    he should of tapped the rear brake to bring the front wheel down more. probably could of saved it.

  • @jameszbierski391
    @jameszbierski391 5 лет назад

    Anyone know how far he went

  • @CorralesRacing
    @CorralesRacing 5 лет назад +1

    Impresionante. 👍👍👍

  • @stoney-wan
    @stoney-wan 3 года назад +1

    "I slid about 200 feet" more like 20ft 😂

  • @HopOFFmyGlock
    @HopOFFmyGlock 5 лет назад +1

    He’s crazier than I thought.

  • @danielrelph6878
    @danielrelph6878 4 года назад +1

    Anybody who has ever gone big knows the feeling of your arms blowing out on slapdown the human body can't hold on under that much force....however most of us find this out on much smaller jumps that must of been violent.

  • @Nisotovski
    @Nisotovski 5 месяцев назад

    Legend 👌🤘

  • @frankburdodrums8984
    @frankburdodrums8984 3 года назад +1

    All I have to say is, I hate when that happens. At least you did attempting a gnarly jump.

  • @asaphsarmy2637
    @asaphsarmy2637 5 лет назад +2

    That which hasn't killed you has hopefully made you stronger!!!!!!!

  • @aboveitall4763
    @aboveitall4763 5 лет назад

    And 50 years ago 13 cars was crazy

  • @maximusmiles8435
    @maximusmiles8435 3 года назад +1

    Do it again. Practice makes perfect.

  • @tonygunk1886
    @tonygunk1886 5 лет назад

    "Thats when i rode the boogie board"
    Lol amazing

  • @rayfinkle8169
    @rayfinkle8169 5 лет назад

    Man that bike just kept going

  • @tractormantp2113
    @tractormantp2113 3 года назад

    But he has a lot of respect for Evel Knievel now

  • @micheleasson7012
    @micheleasson7012 3 года назад

    is the kawi ok?

  • @cwatson42785
    @cwatson42785 3 года назад

    Was the bike ok is the important question here.

  • @Foxtrot1967
    @Foxtrot1967 3 года назад +1

    Is the Bike OK!?

  • @travisgeorge7602
    @travisgeorge7602 5 лет назад +3

    should have let v golden lead you in ....